Vid saved me further aggravation when installing my 1994 F-150 5.0 harmonic balancer. Don't know why the rental tool doesn't come with a spacer needed to press on the balancer on these Ford crankshafts. Though, not mentioned in the vid, I did see that you used an old timing gear as a spacer. Great idea and it worked for me. You should make another vid focusing only on the removal and installation of these Ford balancers. Also prior to installing, warming them up in an oven at 250 degrees for 15-20 minutes and immediately installing them will help ease the process. Great vid, thanx!
warm the balancer itself? I rememeber years and years ago with my first timing cover install I did put a gear in the oven. I believe it was the one that went on the crank and I think it was 2 gears where I believe one went on fine but had to put the other in the oven.
just did my 87GT with this kit yesterday..with .this APR bolt kit the kits is worth every dollar...no rusted out threads or damaged bolts from your old worn out ones to mess with ...this kit was super ez to install and with the video you don't mess up the new bolts and where they go...
next time i drive my 94 that will confirm rather it was the bypass hose or the timing gasket leaking. I will also check my book to see when was the last time I replaced the WP. I don't usually like replacing things that don't need it but understand why some do while they are in that area lol........
You didn't show how you (didn't) tighten the two smaller timing cover bolts at the top using a, torque wrench, to 15 pounds... conveniently omitted that considering you can't.
I’m having such a hard time getting in that front main seal. Pleaseee I need your guys help: it just won’t go in straight and now it got bent. The second one did it too😕
Please email us at customerservice@lmr.com or give us a call at 1-866-507-3786 and a CCR can assist you with the install or if you have any other additional questions. Thanks!
My water pump bolts all go in but after tightening all the other bolts one bolt won't thread I got an after market water pump with the old bolts I used rtv for a gasket on the new cover
Huh it must be one of those magical covers that doesnt need oil pan bolts and those pos cork wings to replace the oil pan gasket under rhe tc cover. I sure wish i could buy one of them as opposed to trying tp get the pan to stop leaking.
I'm running an aftermarket electric water pump.....what are your recommendations for bolts to hold the timing chain cover since it is only attached with the 4 bolts around the water ingress and egress?
im installing a street harmonic balancer on my 89 fox with motor still in vehicle. how far in do i go with the harmonic balancer before calling it good?
Do you need to put any sealant between the area where the cork gaskets meet the rest of the rubber oil pan gasket and timing cover? I've seen other videos where they put a healthy-sized glob there, or say you don't need much, to saying it's not necessary as once it's torque to spec it should form a fairly tight seal.
I wouldn't use cork gaskets. Yes, you need RTV in the corners where the oil pan meets the timing cover. That procedure is shown in our oil pan gasket replacement video (linked below). Use a one-piece oil pan gasket. -Landan th-cam.com/video/AJAsFZtfjuo/w-d-xo.htmlfeature=shared&t=335
@@latemodelrestoration Thanks, Landan. I'm working with an existing fox in a '77, can't do a total gasket replacement at the moment without pulling engine or sneaking under rack; the cork gaskets that replace the corners below timing cover will have to do for now but had to be sure.
2 Questions I will be using the cork corner piece gaskets on front of oil pan and bottom of timing cover. Should I place and seal the cork gaskets to the timing cover then install it or place and seal them on front of oil pan then install the cover? Next when should I install the 4 front oil pan bolts that connect to timing cover? After I install the cover water pump and balancer or sometime before?
I install them on the pan first then install the timing cover and water pump. Once that is all torqued down install the pan bolts. - Jude H. - Social Media Specialist
Sam - If you'd like, a thin layer of RTV silicone sealant can be applied to both sides of the water pump gasket to ensure a proper seal, but is not strictly necessary. -Landan
Hi Andrew, you will want to use the same oil that you will be running in your engine once you fire it up. This will keep the same consistency when building your 302/351.
@@latemodelrestoration What kind of RTV to use for the Timing Cover gasket, what kind for the water pump and which areas to apply them. There are tons of videos with different theories (red/black RTV, both sides of gasket, no RTV, grey sealer, spray sealer, etc, etc. also, for people who don't have the facilities/tools and have to replace the timing cover without removing the engine or the oil pan, what's the best way to seal the lower section. Thanks
@@zh9119 I've used black or grey (whatever I have on the shelf at the time) over the years and they've both worked fine. Other than what we show in the video for the RTV, applying a thin layer around the ports to both sides of the water pump gasket wouldn't hurt. Hope this helps! -Landan
@@latemodelrestoration Thanks for your prompt answer Landan! Do you also apply RTV on both sides of the Timing Chain cover gasket or only around the area where the coolant runs?
@@zh9119 You're welcome. Applying some RTV to both sides of the timing chain cover gasket is acceptable as well. I've done it before, but also never noticed any leaks when I didn't do it. If it makes you feel good, go for it! -Landan
The hardware is not included, but we do offer this as a complete kit to eliminate any guess work. Here is this link below- Jay lmr.com/item/LRS-8501BHDW/1979-93-Mustang-50L-58L-Water-Pump-Timing-Cover-Studs-Bolts
+2R98 By decoding the casting number on the block. To my knowledge the info is C=1960's D=1970's E=1980's and F=1990's. You may want to do a little research to backup this claim. -Landan
I linked the complete water pump and timing cover hardware kit below. -Landan lmr.com/item/LRS-8501BHDW/1979-93-Mustang-50L-58L-Water-Pump-Timing-Cover-Studs-Bolts
@@latemodelrestoration Hey Ladan. I just purchased the same harmonic balancer kit , on my harmonic balancer came with this yellowish ring in the back side of the harmonic balancer do we need to take that off or do we need to leave it on there.? Not to sure if it was just installed for shipping .
@@martincarbajal9888 That sounds like a protective ring for shipping purposes. If you'd like, you can send an image to our customer care department, and they can give you a solid answer. Hope this helps! -Landan Here is the link to our Contact Us page if you need it: lmr.com/contact
+Justin Hirsch Which bolt are you referring too? I've never used any type of sealant for the water pump/timing cover hardware. However, I know some people that do use it. Really, it's a best practice kind-of-thing, and whatever you know, you stick with it. -Landan
Hello ! What Is With The Loud Music In Background ?!?" Are listeners of the video supposed to HEAR what you are saying ??!! Or are we supposed to be dancing along with the music while listening ?? Ehhh?
great ! ..thats where I am at right now on my '90 Mustang GT .. timing chain is on .. next is chain cover and so forth !! RecklessPerformanceMuscle ig @recklessperformancemusclecc
I’m having such a hard time getting in that front main seal. Pleaseee I need your guys help: it just won’t go in straight and now it got bent. The second one did it too😕
maybe a block of wood that covers the whole sealand set the whole timing cover on wood and wack it good. if you say off it and just make it go it will go in..hesitation means crooked
Ford 302/351 Engine Build Playlist:
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Vid saved me further aggravation when installing my 1994 F-150 5.0 harmonic balancer. Don't know why the rental tool doesn't come with a spacer needed to press on the balancer on these Ford crankshafts. Though, not mentioned in the vid, I did see that you used an old timing gear as a spacer. Great idea and it worked for me. You should make another vid focusing only on the removal and installation of these Ford balancers. Also prior to installing, warming them up in an oven at 250 degrees for 15-20 minutes and immediately installing them will help ease the process. Great vid, thanx!
warm the balancer itself? I rememeber years and years ago with my first timing cover install I did put a gear in the oven. I believe it was the one that went on the crank and I think it was 2 gears where I believe one went on fine but had to put the other in the oven.
Needs more 4.6 2/3/4 valve videos like this
just did my 87GT with this kit yesterday..with .this APR bolt kit the kits is worth every dollar...no rusted out threads or damaged bolts from your old worn out ones to mess with ...this kit was super ez to install and with the video you don't mess up the new bolts and where they go...
next time i drive my 94 that will confirm rather it was the bypass hose or the timing gasket leaking. I will also check my book to see when was the last time I replaced the WP. I don't usually like replacing things that don't need it but understand why some do while they are in that area lol........
You didn't show how you (didn't) tighten the two smaller timing cover bolts at the top using a, torque wrench, to 15 pounds... conveniently omitted that considering you can't.
This is the hell I'm in with my tbird glad these engines are the same lower end or I'd be pulling my hair out
I am sucking bad at having no leaks! Going back in for the 5th time
I’m having such a hard time getting in that front main seal. Pleaseee I need your guys help: it just won’t go in straight and now it got bent. The second one did it too😕
Please email us at customerservice@lmr.com or give us a call at 1-866-507-3786 and a CCR can assist you with the install or if you have any other additional questions. Thanks!
My water pump bolts all go in but after tightening all the other bolts one bolt won't thread I got an after market water pump with the old bolts I used rtv for a gasket on the new cover
I broke the head bolt of water pump but bent and broke it in half to get the water pump off.... now need new timing Cover and gaskets changed
you and a million others,this is why ford sucks..no problem like this with chevy
Huh it must be one of those magical covers that doesnt need oil pan bolts and those pos cork wings to replace the oil pan gasket under rhe tc cover. I sure wish i could buy one of them as opposed to trying tp get the pan to stop leaking.
love these videos. watched about 4 in the last half hour. got a subscribe and thumbs up outta me
120 Ft Lbs for the bolt torque? I've read 70-90
I’ve read 70-120 ft…
Great informational vid. Thx
Where does the dipstick go on a 1983 302 5.0? Through the designated hole in the timing cover?
If the car still has a factory oil pan, it installs into the engine block on the driver side. -Landan
@@latemodelrestoration thanks for your response!
what a great video, where do you get your replaced water pump or other parts?
I'm running an aftermarket electric water pump.....what are your recommendations for bolts to hold the timing chain cover since it is only attached with the 4 bolts around the water ingress and egress?
Did you used any Rtv on gaskets?
im installing a street harmonic balancer on my 89 fox with motor still in vehicle. how far in do i go with the harmonic balancer before calling it good?
How put the oil shift
Do you guys have a video on how to check pushrod length
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How do I know what size harmonic balancer I need
Here is everything that you need to know: lmr.com/products/0oz-vs-28oz-vs-50oz-harmonic-balancer
Do you need to put any sealant between the area where the cork gaskets meet the rest of the rubber oil pan gasket and timing cover? I've seen other videos where they put a healthy-sized glob there, or say you don't need much, to saying it's not necessary as once it's torque to spec it should form a fairly tight seal.
I wouldn't use cork gaskets. Yes, you need RTV in the corners where the oil pan meets the timing cover. That procedure is shown in our oil pan gasket replacement video (linked below). Use a one-piece oil pan gasket. -Landan
th-cam.com/video/AJAsFZtfjuo/w-d-xo.htmlfeature=shared&t=335
@@latemodelrestoration Thanks, Landan. I'm working with an existing fox in a '77, can't do a total gasket replacement at the moment without pulling engine or sneaking under rack; the cork gaskets that replace the corners below timing cover will have to do for now but had to be sure.
@@TerraFirmaton You're welcome. I see! Thanks for clarifying what you have. Good luck! -Landan
Hello!!
Is there a torque specs on the timing cover and water pump bolts ??? thanks for sharing
Get a Haynes maual or even a factory manual is available
2 Questions
I will be using the cork corner piece gaskets on front of oil pan and bottom of timing cover. Should I place and seal the cork gaskets to the timing cover then install it or place and seal them on front of oil pan then install the cover?
Next when should I install the 4 front oil pan bolts that connect to timing cover? After I install the cover water pump and balancer or sometime before?
I install them on the pan first then install the timing cover and water pump. Once that is all torqued down install the pan bolts. - Jude H. - Social Media Specialist
I've always heard bad things about using cork, how has yours held up? I used rtv in that area when I did mine years ago..........
So do you use any kind of sealant for the gasket? Some people will run sealant all the way around and then put a gasket on?
Sam - If you'd like, a thin layer of RTV silicone sealant can be applied to both sides of the water pump gasket to ensure a proper seal, but is not strictly necessary. -Landan
@@latemodelrestoration I think he was asking about the timing cover gasket as well..
What kind of oil do use for the harmonic balancer and timing chain
Hi Andrew, you will want to use the same oil that you will be running in your engine once you fire it up. This will keep the same consistency when building your 302/351.
Why there is no video explaining the more important thing. Gasket sealers.
What is your exact question? -Landan
@@latemodelrestoration What kind of RTV to use for the Timing Cover gasket, what kind for the water pump and which areas to apply them. There are tons of videos with different theories (red/black RTV, both sides of gasket, no RTV, grey sealer, spray sealer, etc, etc. also, for people who don't have the facilities/tools and have to replace the timing cover without removing the engine or the oil pan, what's the best way to seal the lower section. Thanks
@@zh9119 I've used black or grey (whatever I have on the shelf at the time) over the years and they've both worked fine. Other than what we show in the video for the RTV, applying a thin layer around the ports to both sides of the water pump gasket wouldn't hurt. Hope this helps! -Landan
@@latemodelrestoration Thanks for your prompt answer Landan! Do you also apply RTV on both sides of the Timing Chain cover gasket or only around the area where the coolant runs?
@@zh9119 You're welcome. Applying some RTV to both sides of the timing chain cover gasket is acceptable as well. I've done it before, but also never noticed any leaks when I didn't do it. If it makes you feel good, go for it! -Landan
I recently had a new w-pump installed(87 5.0)
And is now leaking at bottom two bolts. Im guna do it my self now, anything to do to get no leaks?
Ensure that the mating surfaces are clean and a good gasket material is being used. Tighten the hardware in a criss-cross pattern to 15 lb-ft. -Landan
Do the screws come with it
The hardware is not included, but we do offer this as a complete kit to eliminate any guess work. Here is this link below- Jay
lmr.com/item/LRS-8501BHDW/1979-93-Mustang-50L-58L-Water-Pump-Timing-Cover-Studs-Bolts
How can I tell what year my 302 is ?
+2R98 By decoding the casting number on the block. To my knowledge the info is C=1960's D=1970's E=1980's and F=1990's. You may want to do a little research to backup this claim. -Landan
Late Model Restoration where do u find the casting#s on the block?
Arp hardware? What part number?
I linked the complete water pump and timing cover hardware kit below. -Landan
lmr.com/item/LRS-8501BHDW/1979-93-Mustang-50L-58L-Water-Pump-Timing-Cover-Studs-Bolts
Is he saying 15ftlbs or 50ftlbs.? Torque.?
The water pump and timing cover studs/bolts torque to 15 lb-ft. -Landan
@@latemodelrestoration Hey Ladan. I just purchased the same harmonic balancer kit , on my harmonic balancer came with this yellowish ring in the back side of the harmonic balancer do we need to take that off or do we need to leave it on there.? Not to sure if it was just installed for shipping .
@@martincarbajal9888 That sounds like a protective ring for shipping purposes. If you'd like, you can send an image to our customer care department, and they can give you a solid answer. Hope this helps! -Landan
Here is the link to our Contact Us page if you need it: lmr.com/contact
What about sealant for the bolt going in to the block?
+Justin Hirsch Which bolt are you referring too? I've never used any type of sealant for the water pump/timing cover hardware. However, I know some people that do use it. Really, it's a best practice kind-of-thing, and whatever you know, you stick with it. -Landan
Hello ! What Is With The Loud Music In Background ?!?" Are listeners of the video supposed to HEAR what you are saying ??!! Or are we supposed to be dancing along with the music while listening ?? Ehhh?
china water pump hummm
great ! ..thats where I am at right now on my '90 Mustang GT .. timing chain is on .. next is chain cover and so forth !!
RecklessPerformanceMuscle
ig @recklessperformancemusclecc
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How complicated can a water pump be leave it to Ford I don't get you guys
A plug for a product and nothing more.
I’m having such a hard time getting in that front main seal. Pleaseee I need your guys help: it just won’t go in straight and now it got bent. The second one did it too😕
maybe a block of wood that covers the whole sealand set the whole timing cover on wood and wack it good. if you say off it and just make it go it will go in..hesitation means crooked
oops meant say F it
how do i remove balancer pulley
BIG hammer