Stellantis CEO's SHOCKING WARNING To All EV Automakers!
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- Several major automakers have recently expressed doubts or concerns about the feasibility and profitability of EVs, and some have even scaled back or postponed their EV plans. The latest and perhaps the most surprising voice of caution came from Stellantis CEO Carlos Tavares, who warned of a potential problem for EVs in the near future.
So, what did he say exactly, and what does it mean for the future of EVs?
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I believe EV’s have a place for around town driving. That’s where most of our driving is anyway. But I also don’t think they should be made mandatory by the government.
Europe, China and America are setting lower emissions rules each year and Auto companies have to reach targets or be fined $9,000 per car Europe and America are doing this slowly. Europe is aiming for only electric by 2035, which is 11 years away, US is targeting 67% BEV by 2032. But I think world wide in the 3 big car markets by 2035 you won´t be able to buy a new ICE car or hybrid. You can buy second hand for say 15 years or so. But after about 25 years there won´t be any gas stations selling gas, they will convert to Electric chargers.
My Model 3 is fine for both around town and road trips. On a 19 hour drive from Boston to Memphis, it adds a couple hours, however when you take into account charging during meals etc., it really ends up adding only 30-60 minutes. There's nowhere I haven't been able to drive my car... I'm currently planning a Boston to Los Angeles trip...
Yes, EVs make sense in a very specific area. People who drive 15K-20K+ miles a year and mostly within the city or the single round trip distance zone for their EV range, without the need to do occasional/periodic interstate travel and who have the money to invest with a long-term perspective on ROI. However, while they may reap the long-term payoff, they are costing taxpayers 50K per EV in gov't subsidies (source: www.texaspolicy.com/wp-content/uploads/2023/10/2023-10-TrueCostofEVs-BennettIsaac.pdf), and the mirage they give of no pollution is just happening where it's unseen outside the city either where the electricity is generated at a distant power plant, or in a different country where the mining and manufacturing happens.
Where will the electricity come from ?
If everyone drives EVs then the grid will collapse like in Texas snow storm .
Also everyone will waiting for whole day to charge their cars 😂
Tesla latest V$ supercharger stations are coming with solar panels and Tesla megapack. Utility companies are already planning long term for increased electricity demands. At the moment most owners charge at home home overnight in non-peak times.
Currently, I don't want anything electrified or anything made in China. So, looks like I'll be buying used for awhile.
My 2001 4.6 F150 has 351k
Turn all your gadgets over and see where they're made.
90% of everything bought and sold in America and online is made in China. Don't be a hypocrite
I agree with you!
@@jamesvandamme7786they’re all Chinese-eum!
Not in my garage !
😀😂
No I wouldn't want a Stellantis either, give me something modern and safe like a Tesla.
@@turningpoint4238 Nissan Leaf 1
Why?
Think about the tank in your car....
In an ICE vehicle it it the tank that stores the energy needed to power the vehicle.
In an EV vehicle it is the Battery that stores the energy needed to power the vehicle.
Both the tank and the Battery needs topping up...
The tank takes a few minutes and the battery takes a lot longer.
So i guess for speed between two places where the tank or the battery needs topping up, the tank wins every time because of the time saved topping up.
Also in cold weather the battery will be used up quicker. Filling the tank v charging the battery is crucial as today there are not nearly enough charging stations and who wants charging stations outside every home or flat in the cities and elsewhere.
The EV argument has not been thought out properly and it is obvious that the driving force for EVs is as usual....MONEY, PROFIT and GREED.
A lot of people are going to get their fingers burnt....
You haven't thought out the EV argument properly, either. ICE cars are built for MONEY, PROFIT and GREED too, except they do so at the expense of the environment and for the enrichment of oil producers. We had no choice before, and now we do.
Plugging in at home and charging overnight is a lot easier, faster, and WAY cheaper than going to a gas station.
Billions nae Trillions of batteries to manufacture and then dispose of...no good for man or beast, just rusting metal cans with the valuable lithium inaccessible.
I agree though that built in redundancy and scrappage of modern vehicles of all types is sheer madness...Mountains of scrapped vehicles is no way forward...Not only vehicles but all modern goods including iphones with built in redundancy with a finite life of a few years...This is the modern way driven by Profit and greed...Therefore there is no solution and we go wherever this modern way of life takes us....Musk thinks that mankind's future is on Mars.....Believe it or not I believe that he is a nu-c-s-.
@@jamesvandamme7786 Not really. 5 mins at the nearest corner gas station while running weekly errands to get the groceries, with only 1 payment & nozzle "plug-in", is so absurdly time efficient, it's not even a factor in American's consciousness about tasks where they strive to decrease wasted time. And when on long trips, the rapid fill-up by gas offsets any convenience provided by EV at home charging and more than makes up for that negligible 5mins weekly gas station time & blows the EV competition out of the water .
Conversely, the daily hookup/(possible payment if not at home) needed by EVs is just another thing I have to remember to do every day (I don't even like charging my phone every night & sometimes forget, which really blows if I end up away from home without the proper charger available). Then when on long trips.... this is where that convenient "charge at home" now shows shows its true weakness. Even if 15-25 mins can top you up to an 80% charge (for some models), there's a high probability you will be waiting in line for a charger (which tacks on additional time, so instead of budgeting for a 20-30 min stop after 200+ miles, you may need to budget 1hr to be safe if you have to reach your destination in a timely manner. This becomes a nightmare on days of the year when large portions of the US travel long distance (like major Holidays, weekends). Some long trips, you can expect tack on several hours to your drive, or even an extra night (w/ hotel stay) due to the extra time needed for multiple recharges.
When is it that you charge the phone from 50% to 80% makes the battery last longer, same with the cars. I have Lexus Hybrid and its battery NEVER gets charged to 100% Toyota might be on to something lol
@@flouisbailey Batteries are different. Li ion can get charged to 100% but it takes a toll on its lifetime. Also, charge rate needs to decrease over 80%. So best to give it a boost and move on, unless you need 100% to get to the next charge. LFP batteries don't have that problem. Dunno about other chemistries like sodium.
Funny how he talks about affordability for the middle class but then produces 75000 to 100000 dollar jeeps 🤔
You want those cars made in America right? America wants high paying jobs. You can't have cheap hard and high wages.
Don't forget they need a lot offire brigades too to put out a the thermal runaways we are going to see in future!!
Most batteries are now going LFP. This will no longer be a major problem with newer cars.
🙃 Not 'today'.... many of us were aware of all ridiculous problems and high cost servicing EV long time ago! ✨️
No more Government mandates or subsidies, electric vehicles need to compete on a level playing ground with gasoline and diesel..
Level playing field?!! The government subsidizes the oil companies to the tune of billions.
"Regulatory environment"... That's code language for "How fast and hard can we force-mandate this down people's throats?"
They don't need to "force" anyone to get a better type of car.. they'll work it out for themselves. Nobody ever goes back to a gas-burner once they switch.
@@alexmckenna1171 There is stiff resistance among the Luddites and paranoids. Somehow it's turned political instead of rational. But even the hicks got electrified in the 20th century after they overcame their fears.
The Religion of Global Warming.
@@alexmckenna1171 I did
These CEO's still haven't gotten the picture. When you start selling high end EV's, the upper class will buy them but that's a small percentage, middle class can't buy them due to the obnoxious price tag. Soon the word will spread. There not with it!
You didn't pay attention? This is Carlos' point, that they have to make affordable cars. EVs have the potential of being cheaper to buy and much cheaper to run. We are now, at the beginning of 2024, between early adoption and mainstream adoption. They make them in Europe.
Manufacturers have been influenced to go down the EV route, this means their forward manufacturing has to be realigned for some years ahead. Once they decide to opt for a model and propulsion type, they are locked into that.
Depending on your situation your EV can pay for itself. Not only that my model 3 only cost a few $$$ more than a loaded Camry or Accord. As it stands right now the $& we save on not buying gas for our commute more than makes the payment on the model 3. Charging is a non issue since it’s cheap and almost free if you have solar.
They drive us back to horse and cart.
@@hesseldijkstra5327 Battery prices are coming down and newer, cheaper cars are in the works. It comes down to whether the Big 3 are going to build them, or leave them to Tesla and the imports, like they did in the 70's. That resulted in USA makers shrinking drastically and the imports with big market share.
The next step after everyone has an EV will be your houses. Gov. has no business telling you what to buy - that is not their job, although they seem to think that it is.
When emissions and pollution are endangering us all, yes it is. My grandkids shouldnt have to live on a desert wasteland Earth just so you can drive your big chungus mobile a half block to the store.
@@functionatthejunction I don't even know where to start with you - but try the international shipping for starters - personal cars are at the bottom of the pile for causing pollution. Then move onto industry, mining, chemical plants..........
@@andy530i Things we as of yet have no effective alternatives. When it comes cars we do. There is no excuse.
@@functionatthejunction Utter virtue signaling rubbish. Keeping an old petrol/diesel car running is far better for the environment, than building a new factory to produce new cars, mining toxic rare earth minerals, all for cars that will quite likely only last 10 years at best, and then having to upgrade the whole electrical supply grid, including building more power stations to power these cars is beyond ridiculous. If you wish to save the environment then stop purchasing foreign goods, and stop buying products that have a plug on them.
Gov have alway told you what you can buy they control our houses now because you can only build what the government approves and it has to be of materials and a design they approve of . So what are you going on about.
BEV's aside , who is going to pay for all those extra powerplants in gas , nuclear or coal that will be required to charge BEV's ? We will . Insurance will always be much higher because the vehicles will be heavier and do more damage when they crash and the full battery package will have to replaced or the car totaled . Then there's recycling costs for battery materials . D O A
Solar and wind, possibly tidal?
If you look in the mirror you will see the one of the tax payers that will fund the needed power for EVs.
EV’s won’t go mainstream if they can’t resolve the charging issue. People want instant not 45 minutes at a charging station and ranges of less than 200 miles.
Sure its great that the car can tell you where the next charging station is, but is it working, a line of cars waiting, someone stole the charging cable for the copper, etc. Fast chargers can slow down a lot if every charger is in use.
I'm hoping to retire next year at 55. My goal next year is to be more serious and consistent with my investments I've been investing since I was 22. 2024 is going to be more serous for me investing consistently for the long term. starting to save for a house down payment. I want to invest more than $105k, but I'm not sure on how to mitigate risk
Best thing you can do to derisk is diversify.
Its unclear which stocks and sectors will lead the market in the next uptrend. It is advisable to diversify while retaining 70-80% in secure investments. looking at your budget, you should consider financial advisory.
A good number of people discredit the effectiveness of financial advisors, but over the past 10years I've had a an advisor consistently restructure and diversify my portfolio/expenses and I've made over $3million in gains... might not be a lot but i find myself secure financially
Being heavily liquid, I'd rather not reinvent the wheel. Since this strategy works for you, how can I contact your advisor?
Samuel Peter Descovich is the analyst that helps me. He has a large following and is easily found online.
He has extensive understanding as I have made so much since following him.
Taxpayers (via the various government incentives) and ICE car buyers (Stellantis and other car makers are using ICE profits to provide money to build EVs, thus putting upward pressure on ICE prices) are stuck subsidizing Ev production. Ugh.
And still EVs prices are too dang high for any of the 90% who need reasonably priced transportation (even without the several other pieces of equipment needed (& not part of the vehicle cost) for reaping the real ****VERY***** "long term" benefits of electrified transportation -- such as extra solar array & a *****2ND***** battery for storage to reliably get cheap energy (add another 30-40K to that vehicle purchase price!!)).
@@RT-mv7df Blame the dealers who don't want to sell EVs because they will ruin their maintenance business. Plus they don't want to install chargers and retrain their techs. So they jack up the prices then cry "nobody wants them!". Supply is low and demand is high, too, further jacking up prices. And the only reasonable priced EV is the discontinued Bolt.
@@jamesvandamme7786 That maintenance argument doesn't hold for the Tesla's, most of which are still too high for the 90% of consumers (especially when average income is in the 50-75k range). Show me a Tesla that comes in the low 20's for that income bracket (still 25-40% of their before tax income). Once again, they then have to plow another 20-40K into solar+battery to truly reap the benefits of low electric transportation costs, otherwise they are at the mercy of fluctuating electric prices, which will drastically increase due to all the extra demand from those who are duped into buying electric (but can't afford or have a roof to install solar) and other things like Biden's mandate to do away with natural gas appliances (heaters/ovens/etc). Also, higher insurance & yearly registration costs all put upward pressure on that common man's budget.
Sounds like a whole lot of complaining just because you want to keep polluting and never pay for the cleanup. Ice cars will be hit with big fines unless they offset with clean energy vehicles,they have had over 20 years to get ready but not one has. Complaining instead of working toward solutions will only slow things down.🤔
@@RT-mv7df Electricity costs are far, far lower than gasoline, which fluctuates at the mercy of oil markets. Electricity is a regulated monopoly. You don't have to buy a Tesla. There is a flood of cheaper EVs coming. Some are imports, but some will use batteries from those new plants being built now. It's going to be a dollars and cents no-brainer.
Ill stick to my 61 Comet and 58 chevy truck.
33k for a car that only does 150 miles. Lol. Good luck with that.
It's fugly, too. '25 Bolt will beat it. Or Volvo EX30, or VW iD2. It would have been OK in 2020 but EV tech is moving fast.
Mg4 250 miles
I had mine for 6 years. 0 issues, no gas, no maintenance and still under warranty.
It's the battery replacement cost. $60,000.00 is a bit to much just because you got caught in a bad rain storm.
Battery replacement costs more than a car the cars will be scrapped. Very earth-friendly, No.
If you believe every BS story, you are far safer keeping riding around with your donkey.
That sounds like a scam. If a battery fails, they can exchange the bad modules and fit it back on the vehicle and recycle the bad one. But, maybe that's what those companies are doing. Going along this stupid EV change, then discourage people buying them when we hear of such story. Who knows
@bmw803 The batteries are not recycled. This is well known.
@@gomahklawm4446
Scrap! Or is it Crap! The battery can’t have people rebuilding those 5,000 degree flame 🔥 throwers. See ship that almost sunk with new EVs from MB and BMW. I drive Hybrid hope my seats 💺 are flame proof.
Consumer Reports just listed the least reliable vehicles 2023.
1 wrangler
2 cherokee
3 grand cherokee
4 jetta
5 volvo
So what is your point?
@@pjkothsice no good. Ice made by stelantis even worse
If a company has been in business for a hundred years plus and still can't get lucky now and then and make a reliable car, why would you want to buy an electric car from them.
Car makers try to insert a computer and electrification to their build. Tesla is the way around, that is a computer that looks like a car. From an engineering perspective it’s easier and cheaper to create a innovative foundation and add mature tech on it instead of doing the way around.
Tesla is also trying to verticalize its business whereas car manufacturers use a lot of third party parts. Tavares is right in many aspect. It’s a high capital consuming market and many will fail. With Tesla low cost but viral marketing they definitely have a competitive edge, similar to Apple that have a huge fan base.
Take away the subsidies, say good bye to Tesla. If there is no push back by manufacturers or relaxing of the mandates, we will only have Chinese manufacturers left. Think of the job losses!!!. No politician wants their name on that, so I see mandates going away. The eco terrorists/ globalist control freaks are going to lose. Climate change is a fraud and that's what's driving this nonsense. $Billions wasted.
Many of us don't need a computer on wheels, we just need to get around inexpensively. Somebody needs to build EVs for us.
Amen to that.........we need a vw beetle like ev.@@jamesvandamme7786
Apparently the average price for a new car in the US is now $48,000. Taking into account the Federal tax credit, that’s exactly what I paid for my Tesla Model Y. Still too much? Then look at the cheaper Model 3@@jamesvandamme7786
The main problem is auto makers don’t want to build what people want to drive. A reasonable price vehicle to get daily use, not some expensive loaded electrical vehicle.
Hahahaahah. Legacy automakers make another excuse.....yes, making EVs is difficult. Legacy automakers instead of learning how to make an ev, are opposing....legacy automakers have ZERO expertise in: batteries, autonomous driving, ev platforms, motors, manufacturing.......Nokia was selling millions of phones......suddenly it wasn't.....wow, it's so sad....dying while telling EVs are in trouble......in Europe the market of EVs rose by 47%...... So sad....making excuses
Who claimed EV revolution is straight forward? Change is never easy. No need to start a discussion with a lie.
There's no miracles needed, just straightforward engineering work. Hydrogen needs miracles to be cost competitive. ICE tech is tapped out and is doomed.
You can’t handle the Truth.
@@bobmitchell8012 Defending a lie? You love being lied to?
Automakers CEOs are describing their plans based on what they know. What happens in the market is entirely different and beyond their control and beyond what they know.
They only build what they can sell. In the USA, we are lagging far behind the rest of the world in EV sales because of poor choices, but over 1/10 are EVs and that is ever rising. The oil industry is scared shitless and is putting out loads of FUD to keep people afraid. Look at all the articles, news releases and videos.
@@jamesvandamme7786 Auto makers wouldn't be making EV's at all if it weren't for the thugs in govt. mandating a technology that is planned failure. They are not environmentally friendly and actually cause more have to than ICE vehicles. What is govt going to do without the huge amount of money they make from oil? If there is any fear mongering going on it is the idea that CO2, necessary for cellular respiration and plant life, is destroying the planet. You must have failed HS biology and science class.
@@jamesvandamme7786 The oil companies are not scared shitless. You will need the oil and gas industry for years to come. Bumpers. dash boards, electrical insulation, door seals, upolstery, tires, switches, bearing lube, cell phones, clothing, refrigerator, interior panals, mining equipment. ok you get it, just about everything around us including shitebox EV's are dependant on oil and gas. look around you there is oil and gas everywhere. Most people only focus on a fraction of the big picture, the green cult is famous for fear mongering about the end of the world, nothing but a bunch of chicken littles, ( the sky is falling, the sky is falling, the sky is falling .....!!!!! )
@@jamesvandamme7786 Could be finally truth, EV was never going to work without government bail-in.$$$$$$
@@jamesvandamme7786No it isn't "ever rising". Plenty of manufacturers have been closing plants. They have their limitations.
Love those 2005 Lincoln Continentals!
They have pinned their flag to the EV mast making electric vans because they have been told that is the future. I think this could go wrong very quickly.
Amazon has lots of EV vans in operation. Is that why many of my orders are delayed now. The drivers like them, and I had a Amazon driver give me a tour of his new electric van. But he said several in their dispatch section has many out of order vans.
COST TOOOOOOOO MUCH !
Did you miss the bit about the $25,000 new EVs? Or the simplicity of servicing? Or the need for far fewer parts over the period of ownership?
Buy lease for EV then the fleets buy EVs; perfect for them as the cars don't break down or catch fire so much
I wont even buy an electric lawnmower!
You should. They are brilliant
No thanks , my yard is 3 acres and i work 6 days a week so i need to get the lawn mowed in 1 day ! We have an electric line trimmer and it’s good for 10 minutes so I usually get the gas one out and start it for my wife while the battery one is charging . Want to buy a battery line trimmer ?@@kevinmair7571
It's a pleasure to see the EV market go down the tubes 😊
lol
Pleasure ???
Absolute B.S. No mention about range anxiety; poor charging infrastructure; low resale value; unsuitability in cold climates; fire threats; increased cost of insurance; bad quality construction; battery replacement costs; minor accidents mean the car is scrapped - and so much more! Why bother - I'm talking to an EV televangelist!
I think most of us don’t want to be forced into adopting any technology but want a free market. Having lived through the Arab Oil Embargo in the 70’s and seeing what happens when the supply can’t meet demand things were bad, 10 gallon limits, long gas lines and a degree of panic. While this was a deliberate attempt by OPEC to raise prices and gain power it shows what will eventually happen when the world wide demand for Oil exceeds supply. Back in the 70’s people started buying cars from Japan and Europe where fuel prices were much higher than the USA and the free market was driving more efficient vehicles. The solar industry got its start and everyone was looking for ways to reduce how much energy their homes used. Current gas prices in the USA are being subsidized, if not we would be paying around $10.00 per gallon. My point is this, gradually take all subsidies away and the manufacturers will build the car that the market demands, you will buy what makes sense for your situation without anyone telling you what to do.
2027: EVs are over
You haven't been paying attention.
you meant EVs are all over ... the place :)
I have a late 2012 Toyota 3.5ltr V6 Aurion petrol. 87ks on the clock. Old technology V6 but been around a long time. Reliable, safe and good performance around 12ks per 100ks, not bad. I'm sticking to my toyota
And no waiting 45 minutes at a charging station waiting, waiting, waiting.
The critical factor for the wide substitution of EVs is not just battery fires leading to high insurance costs or even access to economic charging points for those living in apartments or old houses in cities but the state and capacity of the electrical grids in the US and Europe and their ability to supply the power for charging sites or domestic chargers without upgrades costing trillions of dollars since electricity supply must in most cases triple, especially if electricity replaces gas for domestic and industrial use and most power is to come from widely dispersed wind and solar. The only way around this is the adoption of small scale nuclear units such as Poland, Canada and the UK are installing which reduces the need for a national grid but does not solve the problem of improving area supply. This is why many auto producers, like Toyota and even Tesla are also developing hydrogen cars, especially hybrids that can use conventional ICE engines with minimum modification and a hydrogen fuel cell for the battery power so reducing battery capacity and cost whilst removing the range barrier. There is also the fact that the US National Climate Network shows the country in a cooling trend which is being reproduced over the Northern Hemisphere and battery cars do not do well in cold conditions of which this winter is a foretaste of what is to come over the next four decades.
You are absolutely correct. You got to think this whole infrastructure of electrical grid capability through. It's gonna take hundreds of trillions of dollars and decades of work to provide what is needed to supply power for what these EV fanatics are expecting to do in EV sales.
I have been told I need 200 amp wiring to install a fast charger in my garage.
When we start mining in the US for the raw materials for batteries then maybe I'll consider an EV.
I'm waiting...
It’s on the way. Exxon Mobil purchased drilling rights on 1200 acres in Arkansas for Lithium extraction in that location. By the way…the US imports crude oil every day, do you have a problem with using that in your car?
Of course he said all that, as he has a whole lot of ICE car factories making cars he has to sell. He chose to not mention it is far cheaper to make an EV, as well as EVs needing far less servicing or parts. He certainly did not put the consumer benefits at the center of his thinking according to this report.
Sorry I wasted my time on listening to the self-serving drivel.
I predict the price of EV's will go down dramatically once people realize the negatives of these vehicles.
Inventories of unsold EV's will be in the millions.
Down with EVs. Down with Big Brother.
How can we go to electric cars when we don’t have a grid to handle it. One major snow storm in Texas and the grid shut down it got overloaded so how are you going to charge your vehicle plus all houses and businesses when there’s no electricity. ( 2 ) who wants to spend 5 hours charging your car on a road trip . The avg American can’t afford an electric vehicle. In super cold weather the battery won’t last along because you have put heat in the car drains the battery faster. Same in the summer turn the ac on drains the battery’s faster. These are my opinions .
The secret is that we do not only build EVs, but we're building the needed infrastructure with them. So how can we get to electric cars when we don't have the grid to handle it? We're going to build the grid.
The second secret is, that EVs are being developed and improved in the future to be more cost-efficient, faster to charge and have more capacity. It's not going to happen in a single day, it's a long-term transformation.
@@valuemastery build the infrastructure first that can support this before you shove this down the American throat .Tell me if you go 400 hundred mile on 1 charge in the dead of summer driving the speed limit most likely not. Plus be back on the road in ten minutes bet you can’t
So if ev are so great why are they not selling? Ford has stop production on the ford lighting because they are not selling that’s just one example That’s why people who bought electric cars are going back to combustible engines. Stop flying on your vacation if you are so concerned about the environment tell your stupid people in Washington DC stop flying in there private jets. Drive there ev cars back where they live part time example Washington DC to California that is 2668 miles.
@@valuemastery so if ev are so great why isn’t the president of United States of America presidential motorcade all electric. Practice what you preach Mr Biden .
@@bobpiersol8313 Probably there's still a lack of armored EVs suitable for the job.
Watched a vid of Ev's in China. It's cold there !! Because heaters use so much electricity they run without then to save energy for the Kms. Now I live in the sub tropics so snow is NOT a problem. But it sure seems to me Ev's do not operate well in the cold. There is no chance I will EVER own an EV. Not enough driving years left.
I’d never buy big 3 with their profit maximization model. “We can make more on trucks, let’s cut production on less profitable cars”. The amazing thing to me is that they still do make the cars but not for the US market. Just saw a video that Ford is still making the Taurus, but only for Saudi Arabia.
Synthetic fuels are the future along with hybrids. Stop the EV madness.
Good luck.
The companies making EV’s are selling off their EV divisions into a new 100% EV manufacturer called Ronson. The name is a nod to the cigarette lighter manufacturer, Ronson.
We have 2 cars with the smaller one being used primarily around the suburbs of the city we live in. Occasionally it’ll do a 200kms trip into the country and it’ll definitely be replaced by an EV with home charging. It’ll probably be a Chinese EV and to understand why just look at the sophisticated automation for building EV’s compared the the legacy automakers. Vehicle costs and battery costs will come down and the other EV issues will be resolved. EV’s have advantages but won’t replace ICE cars completely as they have advantages also. It’s a matter of choice for the application.
You actually TRUST the Chinese CCP? Sucker.
As mentioned, with a new market evolving, there's many startups evolving. Quite different to the situation in early 20th century, today startup's makers are able to earn obscene amounts of money from investors looking for profit for years of unsuccessfulness, with investors today not knowing about what the startups claim to be capable of. So, there will be definitely more startups in percentage fading in the very near future than in the early 1900s due to lack of substance of concept. However, governments will mostly influence the near future by pricing CO2 emissions or not, leaving the EV an even bigger investment than combustion engine driven ones, but a cheaper TCO in a few-years timeframe. And most of the governments will do so, that's for sure. Not every country is threatened by Trump-like government leaders. In fact, it is a minority, at least with the car-making countries.
Another very difference to a hundred years ago is the simplicity in manufacturing EV today, since designing efficient enduring motors for cars a hundred years ago was a matter of try and error. Today, there is computer aided engineering, plus a choice of what to build and what to buy. With the latter mostly holding true for the all-batteries. You can't rise battery manufacturing on scale for the mass-production needed for profit in a blink. There's few battery makers worldwide only. So, battery trends will affect almost every EV maker, rendering them all dependent.
Last, there's China. China will prolongue their aggressive subsidy für EV. No single country homing car makers will never ever let their industry die.
So Stellantis Boss is either wrong or aggressively spreading fear amongst investors in order to stay with the old, well-known companies like his. I definitely do not welcome CEO's statements of car makers any more. They kept us from making the transition towards EV for decades. That's why Tesla dropped in successfully.
They have managed to destroy the Dodge brothers creation
Evs remind us of cowboy's poor horses:they could gallop max ten miles,then trotted,"walked",then collapsed...or died on the spot!!!lol...afterwards cowboys walked carrying their saddles...
Have had less problems with my Ram Pickup and Chrysler Town and Country than any other brand I have owned. Both over 100k miles.
500E coming to US, $33,000 and a range od 145 miles. 500E is quite a small car. early 2025 Tesla will have a gen 3 model 2 compact, I suspect bigger than a 500e more like a golf size for $25-30,000. They´ll be using giga casting and 48V electrics and have a range of 250 miles plus steer by wire and brake by wire. Plus tesla willmake a profit once ramped up. Eventually they will be making this car in US, Mexico, Shanghai and Berlin, maybe Thailand or India. Each factory will take 3-4 years to ramp up 1m of these cars with a van variant
The EV market is a huge experiment.
The driver for it is not the consumer needs as one would expect in a capitalistic society, but rather it is government created by mandates.
Similar in a way to the armament industry, where the government defines the market size and requirements. The difference is that with armaments the government pays using your tax dollars and in the EV industry, the citizen pays directly.
Stallantis is doomed.
At some point you have to stop and ask: "Just what is it that EV's are supposed to be saving us from?" There is one question that is never addressed that would expose the "climate crisis" for the scam that it is, which is "What percentage of the atmosphere is CO2?" The answer, never given in plain language, is that CO2 is currently around 420 parts per million, (google it) increased, they tell us, from 280 ppm in 1850. That's a difference of 140 ppm, or in terms more readily understood by the layman, the composition of the atmosphere has changed by 0.014% (14 thousandths of 1%) in the last 170 years. LESS THAN 1 THOUSANDTH OF 1% PER DECADE! How much closer to "zero" do they think it's possible to get? How gullible do you have to be to believe that this rate of change is causing extreme weather events, which have always happened and always will? Their claim is that this tiny amount "traps heat". ALL gasses dissipate heat and even if CO2 is an exception, the suggestion that a total of 0.042% can overwhelm the capacity of the remaining 99.958% to dissipate that heat is abject nonsense. CO2 DOES NOT control the global temperature, there is no "climate crisis". Wind farms, solar panels, heat pumps, EV's.. None of these measures are necessary, nor will they have the slightest effect on the weather. Eye-watering sums of money have already been wasted on this futile exercise. Time to wake up, stop throwing our money at these boondoggles and squandering the world's resources on projects that cannot possibly succeed as there never was a problem to begin with. There is no need to save the planet from a minuscule increase in the gas on which all life depends, but it does need to be rescued from idiot politicians and media mouthpieces that push this garbage.
EVs are simply better cars - that's all and soon enough you will be able to buy a decent EV for under $15000.
Keep telling yourself that when you're waiting in line for a charger. You'll have hours to congratulate yourself for your wise decision.@@vegtalk8920
Climate change is not the only reason to switch to EV's .Air pollution and its danger to human health is just a big a problem .The Chinese were quick to adopt EV's because the air pollution in their big cities was causing a lot of smog.This coupled with their insight to develop an EV car industry and develop a lead ahead of the West was more in their thinking than climate change.
The push for everything being electrified has nothing to do with the climate. In the end it's all about controlling the masses. You will be allowed a certain amount of energy to move around, heat an cool your home , all this base on social credit score (including who you voted for). The people with money will be able to do and go where they want furthering the divide in the socialist dystopia.
Can you support your claims of the nonexistent influence of CO2 increase on climate with climate models and calculations, just like all experts support their claims of the existence of these influences with models, numbers, measurements, research, facts and calculations? Then go and tell them quick, before they lead us into more unnecessary change. But I doubt that your non-expert opinion can hold up against scientificly based facts. Just because you fail to understand how a 50% increase in the amount of CO2 in our atmosphere can have an effect on climate, doesn't make you right. But there are experts out there who understand, and if you go and ask them, they'll be able to explain to you.
So, better to bet our future on the expertise of those who spend their lifes researching these matters than just someone in a forum spreading a biased opinion.
Save fuel for the elites’s personal jets?
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I want the 300 back!
People actually want and need vehicles to use everyday to live in the US which is designed to demand everyone have access to a vehicle. Gas, diesel, electricity, they really don't care , but there are those to whom this choice is vital, at least they would have us think this. But oil and gas sellers never admit to how much oil is used now for plastics, and how much that will increase. The only thing the rich and big business can see is - more profit, more profit. Human life cannot compete in value beside- more profits.
EVS are not very practical for many Americans. But a plug in hybrid would be just fine for many. Electric around town. Gas as needed for longer trips.
I don't hear much about charging stations, who owns them, maintains them, contracts with electric companies, who owns the property where they are installed at, their liability, I don't her enough about this stuff,,,,
I’ve heard they’re losing money big time.. especially since Tesla superchargers now can charge any car.
Gouvernments around the world encouraged the use of diesel and look where that got us, eg. Volkswagen. Now we are being encouraged to use EVs. I am waiting for the scandal on a scale of the VW episode.
Diesels were fine for their day but they can't meet increasing regulatory demands. VW tried to cheat.
Who was the vehicle that catches on fire then blows up ? Ohh and unaffordable insurance rates...
So he admits they do not have qualified engineers and tech to compete. That is what happens with tech changes but only set-in-their-ways companies assume they can put out any junk and buyers will not care. VW, Ford, GM and and others assumed their loyal customers would buy the brand and not care about how good the product is.All the western based companies rushed poorly designed cars to compete with Tesla. Now there is Tesla making huge profits and a dozen Chinese brands which are competitive and none of the legacy ICE brands have produced anything but massive losses. EV are the future but the legacy brands will soon be forgotten. World wide the demand for EV doubles so by 2025 1/2 the cars sold will be battery electrics. They are cheaper to own, power and lower in maintenance and last much longer plus are safer than ICE. There is no downside to moving to EV...but Ford, GM and the other legacy brands are not going to exist more than 2 more years.
Card/suv’s are the new affordable houses. In California hundreds of thousands of people live in their cars- many are not broke and have plenty of money, housing cost so much that the automobile offers the basic shelter needed. None live in an EV. Just sayin…
I'd just want an EV with 200 km of rated range and a range extender that can put out enough power to maintain highway speed. You could build the engine to always run at the same rpm and power output, making it simple and inexpensive to produce. With such a setup, I could do 90-95% of my mileage on electricity alone. Oh and don't make the car with exotic material like the i3, which would mostly make it too expensive.
I already achieve this with my 2015 VOLT. Battery still holding up and 90% of trips are on EV mode. I don't understand why don't they concentrate on PHEV.
Battery EV? No thanks.
Considering the pros & cons, there are not enough pros to outweigh the cons.
Fuel cell EV? I’d consider that.
Recent fires and the resulting insurance costs are scaring me away from EV-s I am sorry to say.
Is it a coincidence that no one wants a Stellantis product anymore
Stellantis; a collection of the most unreliable vehicles on the planet. I give them 3 years.
The Fiats ,Alfas,etc ate hugely popular in Europe. Access to parts and services increases 1000%
@@brucemartin2882 In the USA, they have a very bad reputation. Carlos has a lot of headwinds to buck.
I hope you are wrong, but I will not debate with you. You might be correct.
You mean owners of nearly all manufacturers.
Stellantis is a particularly amazing collection of car brands that are always at the bottom of annual reliability and customer satisfaction reports.
I hope that the 500 is a lot better than when it was a gasoline car that was a piece of crap
Ceo not smart ,EV battery tends to freeze or lose power in cold weather,he better smarten up or he not going to sell nothing.
Now there's a company that won't see 2030, preaching to ev makers 🙄🙄🙄🙄
EV CAR WORLD CON JOB ........😢😢😢😢😢😢😢😢
Auto makers should have stood up to the govt bs demanding that people drive evs. Govt over reach
They can take those EV's and use them for a suppository.
What was the shocking part?
Very misleading headline for all these clips. Clip is interesting, but not what was advertised. Very common from this poster.
Personally, I think hybrids are a better idea.We won't have the infrastructure for EVs for quite a while. Besides, home ownership is out of reach for most now. If you rent, charging your car is not possible in most cases.
So he not saying its the end of ev he saying that some companies will fail,and some brand's will be abdorbed asvthe industry finds its way this includes legacy brands who cannot change.
Yeap ! Right ! Whatever you say...🤥
When an ev can travel 900 miles in 14 hours and can run up 400, 000 miles on an original drive train , maybe I'll look again.
Waste of money!
No problem, many of the first Model S have over that and no maintenance. The first recommended check is at 200,000 to see if the brake pads are worn on cars that the owner turns off regen braking. Typically pad last many decades if reg-braking is used. With only contact-less electric motors, there is very little to wear out in the drive chain. Once you own one, it can stay in the family for generations passed down to following generations.
Loads of original Leafs and Teslas still running around.
Sorry to hear that you spend most of your day on the road. Then EVs may not yet be the right vehicles for you. I never drove 900 miles on a single day in my entire life, and hope I never have to. But if it happens some time that I have to, I'll be happy to charge my Tesla four times on that day, knowing that I'll enjoy its advantages on the many other days of my life.
After all.. the horse was replaced by better ways of getting around. The current 'pants arround their feet' horse technology manufacturers buried their heads in profits and cheap construction cry 'foul' because they think ghey know better. 5 years from now IF they are around they will sing a different story saying they 'ALWAYS' were on top! What can one expect such claims horse saddle manufactures would use in their day.
Tesla better start building ICE vehicles fast.
Similar arguments were probably made by horsetack and carriage manufacturers in the early 20th century. Compare images of pre and post world war 1 city streets. Battery tech is pretty good and cost falling fast. Electric motors are actually cheaper and more durable than ICE. The transition to EV is coming for most private transport sooner than you think - pampered big business (that wants to carry on selling the old product) needs to wake up and smell the coffee. If ICE companies don't step up they will be replaced by new corporations from China, or wherever. I have an electric car now because it is the cost effective solution not because I am an eco zealot, and I live in Shetland which is about as far from the metropolitan centre as you can get.
It is clear that have to be a chaging plan, I see no reason why to produce ICE cars when the streets are full of them! We allready have too much of this cars! Personally I never accept diesel cars, i is a technology for trucks und transportation cars, it was a huge mistake and a regres to develop this small cars with diesel engines, I hate them from the first day.
Not interested in oversized RC cars. Thank you
Of course some EV’s are generating profits. What’s in them??
The customers will not be browbeaten into buying something that they do not really want. The climate crisis that drove all of this madness in the first place is not real. The car makers need to ditch or heavily modify their EV plans and focus on what customers really want which is high tech, fuel efficient ICE vehicles. Oil and gas is the future not EV's. They should only be part of the mix not the whole mix.
Europe has tiny roads and is comprised of tinny countries. The US is waay bigger. California alone is larger then all of Great Britain. People travel much further here and have rural areas that dont have chargers. The US should be able to decide if they want ev or gas. EV isnt for everyone
Meantime the automobile manufacturers are doing nothing to clean up the environment and they don’t want to. That’s what makes you upset. I know the dealers make a lot of money in the service department. I get that sell me one of those gas hog cars I’m not buying any of them and I can afford them I don’t want them.
The big three are dinosaurs. Their structural costs are too high. Sounds like Stellantis is hedging by dipping a toe in the EV space; but not committed.
I wish Carlos would pay more attention to the crap his company is selling with their gas vehicles. I have a Rubicon and after two engine tear downs ($5000) it now needs a new engine. The Pentastar engine is a piece of crap and there are a number of class action lawsuits as a result. The quality of the Stellantis company is dismal and they should concentrate on their current products ad put the EV's for a future project.
EVs are not safe, nor are they eco friendly…I won’t have one.
People were much smarter 100 years ago when they gave up on electric vehicles.
All cars are becoming hideously complex. Bring back the original Ford Model T.
All Ev's? The demand for ev's other than Teslas is down for sure. But Tesla continues to grow year over year. They sell every car they make, 1.8+ million in 2023 and slated to make 2.2+ million in 2024. They will sell every single car they make in 2024 for a profit of about $8,500 per vehicle or more. Ford loses $20,000+ per ev they sell as does Stellantus. At that kind of loss, it would make sense they would bash the growing market share of EV since they are years away from profitability. It is sad that these American car companies are so far behind that if they don't get their rear in gear, they will be sucking air just trying to survive in 5-10 years time and a lot of Americans will be out of some decent paying jobs.
If you can't produce EV economically. 😂😂😂
Let others do it, but don't restrict import cheaper EV.
Always said protecting local companies but can't compete fairly in pricing 🎉🎉🎉
What a waste of words
Nio is the answer,,,battery swap,,,simple
People don’t want an EV - they want a Tesla. The legacy OEMs are the next Kodak and Blockbuster
Sir.The day Toyota has brought water Engine is end Ev.
💀Legacy auto 💀
Only car manufacturers left in 5 years are Tesla and Chinese EV makers.