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Not a theory, but I need to point out it cannot be a coincidence that the finale episode is airing on the same week as MoM being released on theaters. There has to be a connection.
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"When danger is near, Steven Grant has no fear" hits different now knowing that Steven dealt with the mother's abuse more, being completely clueless about it.
Genuinely heart breaking to think that Marc, in that moment, switched to the brave Steven, who knows no fear because danger is near. And the danger being his own mother. That he has to brace himself and muster up courage to endure what his mother is doing to him, just... urgh i'm choking up just thinking about it
I don't think Steven dealt with the abuse as his "whole point" was to have the normal life. It makes more sense for Jake or marc to have lived it because adult Steven didn't remember that and wanted to stay and see what she did
@@RandomBlair I think Marc became Stephen before and after horrible events with his family, so that he’s not scared before and so he can not remember it after Because Steven has memories of events he was in and no memory of ones he wasn’t in (like being beaten or being a soldier), so when he’s Stephen he’s pretending/thinking that everything’s going to be fine and that nothing horrible just happened Then I assume Marc created Jake when he was a soldier to deal with doing horrible things to people to keep Marc from knowing
Steven was a state-of-mind. Marc retreated into himself. While, Steven who was fully mentally “built “ yet so he was a shallow stand in. At least that’s what I think…. 🤔
I have never cried to a piece of media before. At least to my memory. But this, This struct a deep cord in my mind. and when I saw him celebrate his birthday by himself made me bawl.
Marc’s Breakdown in the street while he’s telling himself not to cry and that his mother doesn’t deserve his tears is what unraveled me. This whole episode was so emotionally unraveling. And I appreciated this after episode discussion immensely, you guys. Thank you for that.
I wasn’t expecting to cry but yeah this moment really hit something in me. My experiences aren’t anywhere close to Marcs but I had a similar negligent parent
Oh my god I totally hadn’t realised that Layla blaming Marc for her dad’s death must’ve been super triggering to Marc because of what happened with hIS MOM AND BROTHER OH MY GOD THAT HURTS AAAAAAAAAAA POOR BABY
That and I think Steven calling Marc a parasite that ruins people’s lives in episode 2. Which is why he breaks down and starts smashing the glass. This series would be great for rewatch.
When Marc's mother walked in to the room to beat him, the Jake persona took over from Steven and took all the abuse, which is why he is vicious, angry, and possibly psychotic.
@@snrz150 Steven was created to live a good life free of abuse or trauma. Ignorance is bliss as they say. Jake was created to weather the physical end of things. I also personally think that "Steven" existed before his mom kicked in that door.
@@snrz150 I'd say Steven was created to be blissfully ignorant, and therefore he can be "brave". So when he is afraid while his Mom is pounding on the door, he transitions into Steven, so he doesn't feel that fear, then once his Mom breaks in Jake comes out, to take the hurt and shield Steven's innocence. Once the beating is over, Steven probably comes back again, so rather than Marc having to lay there in pain thinking about how his Mother just beat him, he can just be Steven and nothing actually happened. Steven is a way for him to escape either the fear of, or the traumatic after effects of, the beatings by his Mom, by become someone who it just doesn't happen to, Steven, who has a mother that loves and cherishes him, and would never do that.
@@snrz150 steven was created when he was saying "thats not my mom" and then obv he changed again either to marc or jake cause steven doesnt remember the abuse
It feels like Marc almost treats Steven like a little brother (maybe subconsciously he wants) that he wants to protect from getting hurt and get crushed by the weight of the world.
@@Doomer253 well I think many older siblings take on the duty of protecting their younger siblings, especially when there's abuse in the home. I know my older sibling had taken responsibility over things so I wouldn't worry. The scene of Steven after finding the truth about their mom and Marc trying to explain just screamed "Older brother whose spent his entire life protecting his younger brother gets caught in a lie for the first time" and it kinda makes sense because Steven has been his rock for long without realizing it, that telling him the truth will shatter everything within this comforting relationship .
Today's episode of Moon Knight explored Marc’s origin - his death, his rebirth, and potentially the origin. As expected intense scenes involving his father, his mother… it was an emotional emotional episode.
To see Marc go through that was painful to watch, but unfortunately people with DID go through this, which is why Marc had to alter certain parts of his memories so Steven can have a better life than Marc did. Such a great and very emotional episode, plus I love how Steven finally became a bad ass at the end, which he's showing more progression of him being the true Mr. Knight from the comics.
I don't think I've ever been affected as much by a Marvel episode as this one until now. I never imagined Marvel dealing with issues like this, I'm shocked and surprised, by the way I cried too much. OMG they have to give all the awards to Oscar Isaac
They've been doing it for a while now though. Phase 4 is getting darker and darker. I mean it did start with an avenger imprisoning a whole town, forcing her own pain on them cuz she just wanted a family 🤷🏻♀️ it was only a matter of time till they got to the child abuse
Man, what an episode. Leave marvel universe, this has got to be one of the most amazing episode in all of tv shows. Oscaar deserves an award for his performance.
Woah woah woah woah calm down there. One of the best episodes in all of tv shows????? This episode was good but there are a plethora of far more amazing tv shows and episodes out there lol 😅
This episode makes iron man’s death look like “aww that’s sad anyway moving on” but on a serious note this has to be the most INTENSE 40-50 minutes in any comic book movie (ignoring the Joker)
💯!! Not to disrespect Iron Man or anything but as you said this one takes the cake in the most emotional and intense scene. My heart was hurting while watching the flashbacks and specially when he lost Steven.
I think the reason is iron man’s death is sad but it’s more of a depressing but also optimistic closure, on the other hand, here it’s just our protagonist trying to go through this pain that he hid as far as he can in his memory again, that’s what makes it more heartbreaking
My theory is that when Marc got abused by his mother, he created both Steven and Jake. Steven is Marc's Alter that loving his mom, Jake is Marc's Alter that wanting to rebel, to fight back or even to kill the mother. However, Marc actually loved his mother and felt guilty to her more than hating her, showing in 12:00, when his mother died, Marc "physically" created Steven and Jake was "Lockley" :))) Jake is real but just not a complete alter like Steven.
In the beginning you see Jake is the one with a new york accent, broken nose, & even trying to stab himself showing that it's him because he is much more violent. Reasons i guess are he isn't a complete alter like Steven which is why him being injected with the syringe made him vanish while Marc & Steven felt it too
This episode is so deep and psychological but most of all it felt real and a full on character study and it didn’t shy away from showing the dark side of reality and i respect the hell out of Marvel for that, it is by far my favorite episode of any of the Disney+ shows hats off to Oscar Isaac as he did an oscar worthy performance this episode.
I’m so glad they went with a more realistic representation of DID, where alts are usually basically coping mechanisms to deal with childhood trauma and traumatic memories. I was a bit worried they would take some dumbed down, kid friendlier and “MCU” route like “Steven blipped into the wrong body” or “alternate universe versions of him combined after the events in Loki” or something like that. It’s a much more realistic and darker representation.
I saw those theory's im so glad it wasn't like that, there's no mainstream good DID representation, this is an amazing step forward in actually portraying mental health issues realistically, even if the setting isn't realistic.
@@hopeforhobixo5142 i would say 100% they're insensitive but the intent definitely wasn't ablest, just people throwing out wild theorys that would probably never happen, in a world where there's a norse God timetraveling with a 60 inspired time travel agency its not too far out of the question, its just that isn't what moon knight was and would have been terrible for his character and the representation, they were insensitive but there wasn't any malicious intent.
@@koorirk2898 Wouldn't you say Split is a good representation too for the most part? Despite one of them being a "monster", the rest was just personalities with different goals and motivations.
This episode is piece of art. Oscars acting is amazing, and the moment Steven comforts Marc is truly beautiful. The portrayal of D.I.D. is so good, like you said I’m so glad they’re not saying Steven is made up bc that’s just harmful for the representation. Sure, he’s not the “first”, but he’s still is own person with his own soul. I hope that now Marc has Steven in his corner that understands the trauma he went through, he’s able to open up more to either Layla or a therapist.
The song that comes out at the end when Steven dies is a Christian song in Spanish called "Más allá del Sol" It alludes to the Christian belief in an eternal life of peace after death, something that fits perfectly with this series knowing that the Egyptians believed in a life after death even long before the Christians. It shows how well they studied the Egyptian culture and religion to make this series. I can bet that it was Oscar Isaac himself who recomended the song knowing that he comes from a Christian family.
Finally your reaction for this episode I was highly waiting for. Wow this episode was so deep and very close to home. This was Oscar Isaac at his best and going all out with emotions.
Yea I was thinking “that’s definitely a New York accent right?” Plus, Marc doesn’t seem to have a lapse in his reality in the hallway. Later when they are in the office what’s happened is brought into the next scene.
This is one of those times the MCU had made me tear up. But I don't think Steven's really gone At least not yet. I mean they needed to judge all of who Marc is. But we know Jake is yet to come. So what if Jake is discovered on the finale and the hippo decides steven/Marc was incorrectly judged because all the hearts weren't there and brings Steven back. To truly be judged with all 3 alters.
@@josh___something That wouldn't be a deus ex machina. A deus ex machina is plot device whereby a seemingly unsolvable problem in a story is suddenly and abruptly resolved by an unexpected and unlikely occurrence. Tawaret being a god and knowing other gods that have powers would mean that the situation isn't "unsolvable" nor would it be unlikely or unexpected.
@@blinkachu5275 This is half-"Me joking about the literal interpretation of the term having the word god in the name", and half saying that using jake in that way is almost too narratively convenient since it would come out of nowhere, and hasn't even been hinted at even off-handedly.
I cried when Steven said to seemingly himself "you were a child it wasn't your fault". then at the moment after the funeral where he left broke down then switched, calling his mom like he doesn't know she's gone.
I think he created steven to cope with his trauma and he created Jake to cope with is anger and guilt towards his mother. Marc is the medium between the ultra-passive Steven and ultra-aggressive Jake. With Steven in the Duat, and Marc in the field of reeds I think Jake will be the one who goes through the gates of Osiris. IDK where this will end or how/if it'll fit into the greater MCU but I here for the full ride
After seeing Marc’s relationship with his parents, I have to wonder if he views Khonshu as a sort of a father figure to some extent. His own father couldn’t protect him from his mother, yet Khonshu saved him from certain death and gave him true power in an instant.
@@mylife-23 does it help you at all? my Mum was also quite abusive but I'm not religious or anything and don't really have a mother figure in my mind or life and I struggle to build relationships and my Mum made me think my dad was an awful person as a kid so we're still building a relationship.
@@aspenture1087 it isn't for everyone but it does help me, even thou my biological mom is toxic, I have spiritual ones to turn to. They've always looked over me.
Probably worth pointing out that when Steven falls overboard and starts to turn into stone, he’s in the same position as Crawley, the performer he keeps talking to in the first episode, whose “job” is also to stay as still as possible. What I find equally interesting is that he turns to stone just before he's "denied" entrance to the Field of Reeds, echoing the words of the little girl from episode 1 when she says "Did it suck when you got rejected from the Field of Reeds?" It's like everything came back full circle in this episode.
*SPOILERS* *SPOILERS* I really hope Steven isn’t gonna be gone forever bc he’s just so sweet and doesn’t deserve all he went through literally just this wpisode
@@zackrose6261 And Mr. Knight is integral part of Moon Knight’s character. He’s basically Marvel’s Batman, but instead of having all his traits in one personality like Bruce Wayne, he instead has multiple different personalities that all have a specific purpose. Moon Knight is the crime fighting vigilante, but Mr. Knight is supposed to be the intelligent, calculating, detective side. Both aspects of his character need to be in balance because that’s what makes Moon Knight so interesting, that’s why I don’t believe Steven Grant is dead. If he really is dead though, then we just lost a whole half of the character in the first season. That doesn’t bode well with me.
Marc’s brother also was obsessed with Steven Grant, Nemo, died when he was still a child. I think Steven was an infusion of the Tomb fantasy and Marc’s thought of his brother living on.
I don't think Steven is gone. This episode reminded me of issue #9 of the Jeff Lemire run when Marc is reconciling/reabsorbing his alters and Steven asks "Will I die, Marc?". Marc tells him "I don't think you can. You're a part of me." Wherever Marc goes, Steven is there also (even if he's not on the surface).
Steven needs to be gone though, unfortunately. As the show is concerned, Steven was created as a extreme defense mechanism for trauma. Once Marc confronts it, Steven is no longer "needed"
I think we might not meet Jake at all or they will tease us in a way that make his existence clear to us without completely bringing him into the story. There is also the chance that he will appear when we expect him the least to save the day. I also think that we might get Steven back later. Either through Konshu or after the guys win and prove to the the other gods that Marc and Konshu were right they might bring Steven back as a reward. We’ll see!
@@FireJach Yeah he wasn't acting like Marc or Steven he almost seemed to be enjoying it for a few seconds before the rage took over and your right his accent was off.
I think it's one of the most thought provoking and emotional episodes by marvel so far! The way they handled the mental health aspect was impressive even in with the fictional aspects involved
We love how Marvel can sprinkle a little humor to keep us from getting too depressed from strong emotional scenes but this episode was so powerful the humor could not defuse it. It was like sprinkles of water on a open flame. Damn this was a a good episode.
The scene where Steven watched Marc turn into him reminded me of the scene in Toy Story where Buzz realises he's actually a toy. Really heartbreaking stuff.
If Oscar Issac doesn’t win an Emmy Award, for these performance(s), I am going to FREAK OUT!!! Seriously though, this is a landmark performance that elevates him to the top tier of screen acting. I was not prepared for the directions and depths this episode would take us, but I was completely absorbed and moved by it all. It’s telling that last night after watching the episode, I checked out the live feed of another (unnamed) channel’s live feed. It was kinda filled with remarks bashing this episode as “boring”, “lame”, “the worst”, etc…and bitching about there not being enough of Moon Knight, and fight scenes. Meanwhile, the comment thread here is showing me near universal acclaim. Makes me think twice about the kind of audience each channel draws, even when they cover much of the same content. Keep up the great work here, gentlemen…
This episode broke me. I can't imagine how painful it must be to have the one person that is supposed to love you unconditionally, a mom, blame you every day, hurt you and hate you so much for something that it's not your fault, it was heartbreaking. I hope that Steven comes back, i love him so much!! and the hippo (i forgot the goddess name) she was soooo cute.
Absolutely loved Marvel delving into DID, and this show hit so hard on it. This is exactly what happens; integration and healing and finally becoming one, but Jake seems to be the hidden alter in the system that both don't know about, hence why the scales balanced even tho there is another. We are just supposed to see glimpses of Jake (aka bloodied up nose one) to know he is in there somewhere. People with DID have been known to have hidden subsystems within their system with even more alters inside. I knew Steven was the coping alter, there were too many gaps in his memories and you can clearly hear it when he speaks to the golden guy about blackouts and why he directly never spoke to his mom, I had a feeling she was gonna be a big factor in it, it seemed irrelevant but when Layla said you speaking to her again, I knew something was off.
@@giuseppepiuma1965 It's more likely that when the abuse occurred he reverted back to marc to shield steven and then to make himself feel better afterwards brought back steven.
1:50 I’m pretty sure this isn’t Marc or Steven. They are both in the hallway with Taweret, and neither have a break in that current reality. Plus that’s definitely a New York accent… I’m thinking we finally saw Jake and didn’t even realize it.
I think the key to trigger Jake is for both of them to freak out or to be specific both of them need to be at a state of max emotion exploding because D.I.D is trigger to deal with trauma. Notice that Steven appear when Marc is emotional about his mom and in episode 1 Marc took control back when Steven is super freak out.
This one definitely was the most emotional episode of the series. It hit really close to home for me. Especially that song in the end when Marc makes it to the field of reeds. My mom used to sing that song to me when i was young. I had completely forgotten about it until today. Since then i haven’t stopped crying😢
Tbh I think it was Jake at the start of this episode, with the bandage on his nose and different accent that Marc and Steven don’t have. Plus he was way more aggressive than the other two and I think he was the one that took the belt beating in the room not marc. It would make sense for his character’s personality and why he is the way he is.
Yh because lil Marc switched to Steven but when the mom came in steven started moving wierdly slow and it doesn't make sense for Marc to be there so Jake might be the Protector perhaps
I watched this with my husband, who at a young age, was taken away from his mom because she was incredibly abusive to him and his siblings. He related so much to this episode, it was so heartbreaking. Even the leaving at a young age, but kinda going off of what you guys said he actually told me after it ended that he did not want to have children due to what happened to him because he was scared of the mom they would have. But he said when he met me he knew his children would have the perfect mom for his children because I was the complete opposite of his mother. Very sad, but very sweet exchange between my husband and I that I thought was sweet to share.
Theory (*edit: I put all the Vs in the right place lmao*): I found it very interesting that Marc was already at terms with what happened in his life because of his manifestation of Steven. But, when Steven gets thrown off the boat, the scales immediately balance because (maybe) Steven still hadn’t been fully at terms with the life that happened around him. I wonder if the scales would have balanced had Marc and Steven embraced sooner than the climactic end we saw.
@@Stephen1873 I like your line of thinking. The only counter I have for this is: wouldn’t the “correct” soul matter in this case? Taweret grabbed two based on who was in front of her, but I think the quality of those souls still matter.
So glad to see your guy's reaction to this amazing episode. Man I can't say how much I love this show. I really felt this episode gave us such an amazing performance by everyone but especially Isaac. Really hope they can stick the landing with how the ending of this episode went.
I think this episode was the best and the most emotional I’ve gotten. The way you understood Steve and Marc was at a level of how we think internally. All of us go through a place in ourselves to find that numbing pain. When we’re alone, all we can do is make a friend out of ourselves. And once you saw yourself letting go of a part of you. When Steve turned into stone… it was basically Marc watching himself perish. It’s very ironic how Steve got thrown in the sand instead of Marc. You would expect the narrator to place Steve at that place where the tall grass were and where the sun was setting. But Marc got to feel at peace. It’s like they switched places for a brief second. Sometimes you gotta let that part of you that’s hurting also be at peace.
I think steven will be the tether that lets him escape the field of reeds. so it's no longer marc saving steven, it's steven saving marc,and it creating a share understanding of how they need each other
What an emotional and beautiful episode this was. That last scene and the song in the ending credits...Phew! Oscar Isaac acted his heart out. Television doesn't get better than this.
Btw when “marc” stands up with the pyramid in his hand at the start of the episode, a lot of people (including myself) are theorising that was Jake. The accent is different, he is a bit more witty, eyes are widened, more brutal (literally tries to stab himself in the eye). I don’t think Jake is going to be a key part in this season, most likely for a season 2, but still cool to see references to him.
it was definitely a NY accent. especially how he says "doctor" he also had a significantly different jaw posture throughout that scene, which is something actors do to portray different characters and voice inflections, very Brando-esque which makes a lot of sense if he's going to be playing a NY cabbie character
I actually cried a little bit in this episode Oscar did such a great job because I felt the emotion he put into each character. And actually seeing that Steven was a coping mechanism when it came to Marc feeling pain. Now that he’s ‘gone’ Marc will have to face everything alone which is the point but I’ll miss Steven 😩
There were 2 hearts on the scale, but three personalities (1 of which isn’t known presumably to the other 2) When Steven was “killed” it evened it out 2/2.
Marc is not what his mom deluded herself to believe but perhaps Jake is, maybe as some sort of manifestation that’s come to life within Marc’s psyche. Them being “2/2” would make sense in relation to the effect the trauma had on Marc
@@miketrapper0464 there’s been hints. Like the 3rd sarcophagus failing to open at the end of the 4th episode and with Steven and Marc both waking up and wondering who killed the mercenaries while Steve/Marc were holding a knife. It’s obvious there’s someone else that the show hasn’t revealed yet, it wouldn’t make sense leaving off Jake when there are these hints and the fact that that Jake is always a personality of Moon Knight in every storyline he’s been in
I feel like the fact that Steven was wondering what happened to Marc in the past means Marc has had associative Identity Disorder for a majority of his life. Plus I love how they basically ripped the origin out from the comics
I love how this series didn’t focus on the actual moon knight suit and fight scenes, there is plenty of time for that in future appearances. We want something different and should appreciate when we get it
Just when I thought I couldn’t come to love and care for a character as much as I did for Wanda in Wandavision, now I love Marc Spector AND Steven Grant just as much. I did not expect Moon Knight to make me cry as hard as episode 8 of Wandavision, but here I am, with a eyes red and raw from wiping tears away. It’s easy to dismiss Steven as just a “stress ball” but no, he is as much of a person now as Marc. And I hope somehow he comes back. Also Oscar Issac had better be nominated for best actor at the Emmy’s!!
WandaVision hit me hard when I watched it partially because of dealing with grief in my own life at the time. It was a great show regardless, but my personal experiences might have made it resonate more with me. IDK. I don’t have experiences similar to Marc and Steven, but this episode was so well done I still found myself getting very emotional. Moon Knight is on track to become my favorite Marvel show.
Steven's origin is so f*cking powerful. I can imagine myself as a kid making up somethnig like a world in my head to escape the trauma. I'm starting to like Marc more than any Marvel character.......RIP Tony
What I love of this episode, is the ride of emotions that you get, one minute you’re laughing, then you’re confused, then crying then excited… it’s amazing
That transition at 12:47 reminds me of the second episode where Steven goes back to the museum after being attacked by the jackal. Only this time, he's not upside down.
This episode really showcased the best Oscar isaac performances I've seen. A deep dive into DID and Mohamed Diab definitely didn't shy away from the darker tones. If you've watched his movies like Clash (which is my favourite) and Amira, you know he won't shy away from subject matters that is not easy to watch or deemed controversial by mainstream.
Such an amazing episode. Personally I think it's Oscar Isaac's best performance ever. Also, this episode is like a master class for DID acting. Thumbs up. 5 stars. Thank you Marvel and thank you Greg and John for your fantastic conversation.
The way this series has handled mental illness and disassociative disorders and coping mechanisms is absolutely phenomenal. I have schizoaffective disorder, and it's easy to show those types of coping mechanisms in the wrong way. This episode was beautiful and tragic from start to finish. I didn't notice the only Marc in the mirrors when I watched this - I was too busy absolutely admiring how amazingly good the visuals and reflection of Taweret in the mirror looked to pay attention lol. For real, Moon Knight has been something I've wanted to see on screen for years now, and I've been consistently impressed with it. Honestly my favorite thing Marvel has done.
this episode brought up so much trauma I wasn't expecting. I love the way we truly come to understand the dynamic between Marc and Steven. So many emotions and Oscar Isaac brought them all to life so perfectly
Did anyone notice when at first Harrow was interacting with Marc, and when Marc was started retailiating his sound/accent didn't sound like Marc. I seemed to me like it was Jake!! 🧐🧐
This show gets better every week, really wish there were more than six episodes. I’m still undecided on what’s real, but that’s what makes it great for me. I look forward to these recaps every week. Thanks for your commitment and hard work.
Was that jake at the beginning? Because it seemed like Marc was reacting to the hippo rather than coming back from the Doctors office. Because when Steven goes to the office, he too is dressed in white.
one of the most fascinating aspects of this episode is that not 1 second of it happened in Real Time/space. it was all in the spiritual realms and Marc/Steven's memories. It all could have happened in the time it took Marc's body to submerge in the water after being shot.
🤯 Greg just made me realize that I've been so engaged with the show and Oscar's acting is so good that I never took the time to acknowledge that he was doing twice as much work with doing double takes and playing the role of both Marc and Steven. His acting has been so outstanding and believable each episode that it seems like he did it all in 1 take lol. Much respect.
The Steven personality feels like his dead brothers soul, Marc trying to give him a better life and Steven protecting his brother at the end, made me think of that. We don't really know what happend in the cave, his brother could have possibly saved Marc at the cost of his life and now he is saving him here again in this episode. Real interested where it goes.
Brilliant episode and even fascinating conversation breaking down the episode and the story so far. This was an emotional episode that i'm still trying to recover from, best Marvel series by far 😥
Yes I agree Oscar Issac deserves a acting Award . He’s awesome! The way he switched back and forth between the two characters had me spellbound. This was a great talk with you guys.
Amazing episode, hit really close to home due to a lot of childhood trauma related to my mom as well (tho I do not have DID luckily), however, I will say that I'm slightly annoyed that we only have one more episode. There seems to be waaay too much to wrap up in just another 50 min episode :/
There are varying forms of DID. I experienced trauma close to like what was displayed in this episode but it was mainly for punishments and by my Dad. I have a lower tier of DID where I dissociate when I feel like I am in a situation I can’t handle. For me it’s not like a separate personality as much as it a cloak of armor that will protect me in my most vulnerable moments. I cant explain it but look into DID cause not all cases are as severe as the one shown in Moon Knight. Just saying
@@Cobra_156 oh yeah DID used to just be what you described and whats shown in moon knight used to be called split personality disorder right? or am I completely wrong? Maybe thats just always how I've thought and they've both always been the same thing.
Usually when they have two characters that are supposed to be identical in a scene I really notice it. But Oscar plays Marc and Steven so differently that I forget it’s the same actor sometimes. It’s so fluid and well done
Oh my god! Last weeks episode and this - EVERY TIME I’m putting final touches on video I go “why didn’t I bring up the movie Identity?” I just rewatched it 3 months ago or so and that definitely comes to mind
@@ReelRejects lmao oh damn, so you HAVE seen it already, I was hoping to you haven't JUST to see you do a review on it or something because I enjoyed the hell out that film back when it was released, i had forgot also doc ock was in it playing as a Doc lol... I did notice this episode was like the 2nd to the last episode of Wandavision, the whole facing traumas, visiting the past to find the source, the "rebirth" (becoming the heroes), battling with their self, then accepting and forgiving themselves etc..
That song at the end, Más aya del sol ☀️ would be played during funerals. My grandpa would sing it all the time. Definitely caught me off guard. Amazing episode
@@gonk_ch this episode mirrors the same template and emotional energy as episode 8. That’s why it was so good. They deep dive into the emotional traumatic backstory of the main character and really gets the audience invested into them.
This was an amazing episode and such a dark yet important subject matter to tackle in more of a mainstream way. One of the first things that you learn studying psychology is how often pathologies are rooted in the family and this hits that nail on the head perfectly. It felt thematically very similar to the video game, "Hellblade: Senua's Sacrifice", which if you're not familiar - is about someone with severe mental illness that slowly reveals a backstory of horrific child abuse. Both Ethan Hawke and especially Oscar Isaac were simply phenomenal in this, it is not easy to portray this sort of subject matter so authentically.
Man, I think the episode's moment of self-actualization that it wasn't his fault should've been longer, it didn't give Marc's realization any space to sink in, only to be acknowledged until they had to switch of the next scene. I felt that moment and I just got snapped back to the plot suddenly and I didn't even have time to really process it or to say better, see Marc process that and having it sink in. I'm not saying it doesn't hit, but I'd want to see marc swallow that pill, THEN go to the plot. Idk if I'm the only one that feels like that tho
Amazing episode and man can I just say that kid that plays young Marc is so brilliant too especially in that moment where we first see how he created Steven the way that kid also changed his accent was so good he kept that Oscar Isaac vibe and kept me in the world of the story. What an emotional episode 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 definitely one of my favorite episodes
Personally I think this is finally Marc being able to have a silence mentally for him and him alone to now realize how important all of his different facets is. The field of reeds is Marc being able to think clearly without someone else swaying his mental state. He’ll return a more complete person
I was going to mention something similar to wandavision where Wanda had to face her past by going through her history through time and accepting what has happened and dealing with her grief. Here we have Marc trying to face his past and accepting his mistakes and moving forward. both shows had AMAZING transitions and i loved how this type of storytelling has moved from Wandavision to Moon knight. Loved the reaction and review guys ✨🙏🏾
I feel like it's Marvels way of connecting the shows with each other, without actually connecting the plots or the characters. While watching moonknight, you get so invested in this particular part of the world, it's so easy to forget you're still in the mcu.
What're your theories for Ep 6?!
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My theory is I just know episode 6 is gonna be 2 hours so they’re doing a lot of work and Steven isn’t actually dead and Marc will find away out
Jake will have a Spanish or Hispanic accent.
@@KevinMorales-do5on that could be true
Not a theory, but I need to point out it cannot be a coincidence that the finale episode is airing on the same week as MoM being released on theaters. There has to be a connection.
If Oscar Isaac doesn't win an Emmy for his performance then there's no justice in this world
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@Heck I mean, so? This is still a really amazing performance that deserves to win an Emmy.
@@rimurutempest4945 absolutely agreed
Well hopefully Don Cheadle doesnt show up for 2 minutes next episode to steal the nomination.
@David Emanuel Rosini a) I agree b) there is no justice [only vengeance]
"When danger is near, Steven Grant has no fear" hits different now knowing that Steven dealt with the mother's abuse more, being completely clueless about it.
Genuinely heart breaking to think that Marc, in that moment, switched to the brave Steven, who knows no fear because danger is near. And the danger being his own mother. That he has to brace himself and muster up courage to endure what his mother is doing to him, just... urgh i'm choking up just thinking about it
I don't think Steven dealt with the abuse as his "whole point" was to have the normal life. It makes more sense for Jake or marc to have lived it because adult Steven didn't remember that and wanted to stay and see what she did
@@RandomBlair I think Marc became Stephen before and after horrible events with his family, so that he’s not scared before and so he can not remember it after
Because Steven has memories of events he was in and no memory of ones he wasn’t in (like being beaten or being a soldier), so when he’s Stephen he’s pretending/thinking that everything’s going to be fine and that nothing horrible just happened
Then I assume Marc created Jake when he was a soldier to deal with doing horrible things to people to keep Marc from knowing
@@Cheesepuff8 good explanation
Steven was a state-of-mind. Marc retreated into himself. While, Steven who was fully mentally “built “ yet so he was a shallow stand in. At least that’s what I think…. 🤔
I cried a lot during this episode. What a performance Oscar Isaac gave us in this episode!
Couldn't agree more. He deserves an award for his acting in this episode and the whole show.
Same here such a great show
@@danielleeskelton Yeah, he was fantastic in this episode.
wasn’t expecting it but so did i, i think this episode is his best performance
I have never cried to a piece of media before. At least to my memory. But this, This struct a deep cord in my mind. and when I saw him celebrate his birthday by himself made me bawl.
Marc’s Breakdown in the street while he’s telling himself not to cry and that his mother doesn’t deserve his tears is what unraveled me. This whole episode was so emotionally unraveling. And I appreciated this after episode discussion immensely, you guys. Thank you for that.
I wasn’t expecting to cry but yeah this moment really hit something in me. My experiences aren’t anywhere close to Marcs but I had a similar negligent parent
Oh my god I totally hadn’t realised that Layla blaming Marc for her dad’s death must’ve been super triggering to Marc because of what happened with hIS MOM AND BROTHER OH MY GOD THAT HURTS AAAAAAAAAAA POOR BABY
That and I think Steven calling Marc a parasite that ruins people’s lives in episode 2. Which is why he breaks down and starts smashing the glass.
This series would be great for rewatch.
When Marc's mother walked in to the room to beat him, the Jake persona took over from Steven and took all the abuse, which is why he is vicious, angry, and possibly psychotic.
? so steven was created just to handle those couple seconds inbetween marcs mom kicking the door in and beating him?
@@snrz150 Steven was created to live a good life free of abuse or trauma. Ignorance is bliss as they say. Jake was created to weather the physical end of things. I also personally think that "Steven" existed before his mom kicked in that door.
@@snrz150 I'd say Steven was created to be blissfully ignorant, and therefore he can be "brave". So when he is afraid while his Mom is pounding on the door, he transitions into Steven, so he doesn't feel that fear, then once his Mom breaks in Jake comes out, to take the hurt and shield Steven's innocence. Once the beating is over, Steven probably comes back again, so rather than Marc having to lay there in pain thinking about how his Mother just beat him, he can just be Steven and nothing actually happened.
Steven is a way for him to escape either the fear of, or the traumatic after effects of, the beatings by his Mom, by become someone who it just doesn't happen to, Steven, who has a mother that loves and cherishes him, and would never do that.
@@snrz150 steven was created when he was saying "thats not my mom" and then obv he changed again either to marc or jake cause steven doesnt remember the abuse
It feels like Marc almost treats Steven like a little brother (maybe subconsciously he wants) that he wants to protect from getting hurt and get crushed by the weight of the world.
_Considering what trauma had caused the DID in the first place, that's... _*_heavy_*
@@josh___something seconded
@@josh___something and now another one "died"....like damn. Marc has had enough!
Wow, hadn't thought of that! Dude you are on to something!
@@Doomer253 well I think many older siblings take on the duty of protecting their younger siblings, especially when there's abuse in the home. I know my older sibling had taken responsibility over things so I wouldn't worry.
The scene of Steven after finding the truth about their mom and Marc trying to explain just screamed "Older brother whose spent his entire life protecting his younger brother gets caught in a lie for the first time"
and it kinda makes sense because Steven has been his rock for long without realizing it, that telling him the truth will shatter everything within this comforting relationship .
Today's episode of Moon Knight explored Marc’s origin - his death, his rebirth, and potentially the origin. As expected intense scenes involving his father, his mother… it was an emotional emotional episode.
I kept checking to see if it was up because I needed additional input while I was trying to process the episode after watching it.
Exactly
To see Marc go through that was painful to watch, but unfortunately people with DID go through this, which is why Marc had to alter certain parts of his memories so Steven can have a better life than Marc did. Such a great and very emotional episode, plus I love how Steven finally became a bad ass at the end, which he's showing more progression of him being the true Mr. Knight from the comics.
Steven literally became Sandman at the end.
@@somecallmejeremy LOL right!!, And the moment he was finally getting some confidence too.
Sorry, altered memories?
well the *true* Mr.Knight from the comics isnt Steven, its a fully different personality
Steven's Scarlett moment
I don't think I've ever been affected as much by a Marvel episode as this one until now. I never imagined Marvel dealing with issues like this, I'm shocked and surprised, by the way I cried too much. OMG they have to give all the awards to Oscar Isaac
They've been doing it for a while now though. Phase 4 is getting darker and darker. I mean it did start with an avenger imprisoning a whole town, forcing her own pain on them cuz she just wanted a family 🤷🏻♀️ it was only a matter of time till they got to the child abuse
Give him allll the awards.
I almost cried MULTIPLE TIMES, and then something epic happens, that's just the whole vibe of the episode, magnificent and marvelous and emotional 😭😭
Same for me, but with the "almost".
Man, what an episode. Leave marvel universe, this has got to be one of the most amazing episode in all of tv shows. Oscaar deserves an award for his performance.
Woah woah woah woah calm down there. One of the best episodes in all of tv shows????? This episode was good but there are a plethora of far more amazing tv shows and episodes out there lol 😅
Lol you have a very low bar than
Nah, screw these comments aha i agree with you 😂😂
@@skyraven9079 same
It was great! Very touching as well.
This episode makes iron man’s death look like “aww that’s sad anyway moving on” but on a serious note this has to be the most INTENSE 40-50 minutes in any comic book movie (ignoring the Joker)
💯!! Not to disrespect Iron Man or anything but as you said this one takes the cake in the most emotional and intense scene. My heart was hurting while watching the flashbacks and specially when he lost Steven.
I think the reason is iron man’s death is sad but it’s more of a depressing but also optimistic closure, on the other hand, here it’s just our protagonist trying to go through this pain that he hid as far as he can in his memory again, that’s what makes it more heartbreaking
This episode hit on such a personal level. Was crying the entire time.
i just finished watching it and i'm not okay ive been crying for an hour im not even exaggerating right now 😭
Me too. That hit hard.
@@i.washere Lmfao
My theory is that when Marc got abused by his mother, he created both Steven and Jake. Steven is Marc's Alter that loving his mom, Jake is Marc's Alter that wanting to rebel, to fight back or even to kill the mother. However, Marc actually loved his mother and felt guilty to her more than hating her, showing in 12:00, when his mother died, Marc "physically" created Steven and Jake was "Lockley" :))) Jake is real but just not a complete alter like Steven.
jake appears at 1:30. he has the bloody nose, talks differently and is more violent
Yeah, i also think that Jake was born from Marc's anger which he kept inside since his brother's death.
Yes which would explain why Jake is much more violent then Marc
Imagine if Jake killed his mom. God, Trauma Ep 6.
In the beginning you see Jake is the one with a new york accent, broken nose, & even trying to stab himself showing that it's him because he is much more violent. Reasons i guess are he isn't a complete alter like Steven which is why him being injected with the syringe made him vanish while Marc & Steven felt it too
This episode is so deep and psychological but most of all it felt real and a full on character study and it didn’t shy away from showing the dark side of reality and i respect the hell out of Marvel for that, it is by far my favorite episode of any of the Disney+ shows hats off to Oscar Isaac as he did an oscar worthy performance this episode.
Theory: At 1:30 that is Jake. Mostly because he acts more violent, talks a little differently, and his nose is bloody here, which Marc's is not.
Not everyone caught it! I think Jake let himself out of his sarcophagus
yeah its oddly reminiscent of the look jake has in the comic where he got a bandaid on his nose
And the scene where he threatened to stab Harrow the smile is difference n maniac .. so that's Jake could be
His eyes were full of rage. The way he talks is different too.
Yeah it wasn't Marc or Steven he seemed to be enjoying it for a few seconds before the rage took over and he grabbed the glass pyramid.
I’m so glad they went with a more realistic representation of DID, where alts are usually basically coping mechanisms to deal with childhood trauma and traumatic memories. I was a bit worried they would take some dumbed down, kid friendlier and “MCU” route like “Steven blipped into the wrong body” or “alternate universe versions of him combined after the events in Loki” or something like that. It’s a much more realistic and darker representation.
I saw those theory's im so glad it wasn't like that, there's no mainstream good DID representation, this is an amazing step forward in actually portraying mental health issues realistically, even if the setting isn't realistic.
@@koorirk2898 those "theories" are just insensitive and ableist.
@@hopeforhobixo5142 i would say 100% they're insensitive but the intent definitely wasn't ablest, just people throwing out wild theorys that would probably never happen, in a world where there's a norse God timetraveling with a 60 inspired time travel agency its not too far out of the question, its just that isn't what moon knight was and would have been terrible for his character and the representation, they were insensitive but there wasn't any malicious intent.
@@hopeforhobixo5142 go cry about it
@@koorirk2898 Wouldn't you say Split is a good representation too for the most part? Despite one of them being a "monster", the rest was just personalities with different goals and motivations.
This episode is piece of art. Oscars acting is amazing, and the moment Steven comforts Marc is truly beautiful. The portrayal of D.I.D. is so good, like you said I’m so glad they’re not saying Steven is made up bc that’s just harmful for the representation. Sure, he’s not the “first”, but he’s still is own person with his own soul. I hope that now Marc has Steven in his corner that understands the trauma he went through, he’s able to open up more to either Layla or a therapist.
The song that comes out at the end when Steven dies is a Christian song in Spanish called "Más allá del Sol" It alludes to the Christian belief in an eternal life of peace after death, something that fits perfectly with this series knowing that the Egyptians believed in a life after death even long before the Christians. It shows how well they studied the Egyptian culture and religion to make this series. I can bet that it was Oscar Isaac himself who recomended the song knowing that he comes from a Christian family.
Kinda fucked up, considering that last shot was the farthest from peaceful. Whoever wrote episode 5 chose violence, god damn.
Out of all songs I was surprised I heard that one, I’m a Christian and I was like no way they chose that song lol
@@antoniosoto2514 yooo hold up
Egyptian imagery and theme
Marc is Jewish in the show
A Christian song?
Dang moon knight is diverse
@@lolstuffenjoy9880 In many cultural ways, yes it is.
@@antoniosoto2514 Same here I was like no way I can not believe that this is the song that they used.
Definitely the best episode of the show, arguably out of all the marvel disney plus shows, im so glad this show turned out as good as it looked
Dude this dude needs an Oscar. Playing 2 (possibly 3) characters and making them feel so alive is amazing
imagine if Oscar gets an Oscar and he talks to the Oscar like it’s the real Oscar in his acceptance speech
@@deathking1019 i would take a shot every time you said Oscar but I don’t drink 💀
He doesn't need an Oscar.
HE IS.... THE "OSCAR"!
Emmy for TV shows.
@@nyghtmoon he also acts in movies
Finally your reaction for this episode I was highly waiting for. Wow this episode was so deep and very close to home. This was Oscar Isaac at his best and going all out with emotions.
Dude you're everywhere 😭
@@misochasm1433 I’ve seen this dude everywhere for years. I don’t know what that says about me.
@@zhm96 same
I also discovered him on Twitter a couple of months ago 😭
@@misochasm1433 well he's not bothering anyone so he's fine to comment however many times he likes on any platform.
Jake came out during the scene after 1:54. Look how Marc's voice and accent change after he grabs the acrylic pyramid.
Oh yeah I didn’t notice that! Good catch
I thought there was something strange about that scene thanks for connecting the dots for me
Yea I was thinking “that’s definitely a New York accent right?” Plus, Marc doesn’t seem to have a lapse in his reality in the hallway. Later when they are in the office what’s happened is brought into the next scene.
And the bridge of the nose on Jake (office) clearly "busted open" vs Marc on the hallway with no visible facial injuries!
He was Jake the whole time, I think!
This is one of those times the MCU had made me tear up. But I don't think Steven's really gone
At least not yet. I mean they needed to judge all of who Marc is. But we know Jake is yet to come. So what if Jake is discovered on the finale and the hippo decides steven/Marc was incorrectly judged because all the hearts weren't there and brings Steven back. To truly be judged with all 3 alters.
If that's the deus ex machina that brings steven back, I'm ALL FOR IT.
The sweet baby boi deserves better than this.
What if in the next episode we see Tony, Steve, Nat, and Gamora in the afterlife too with marc
@@josh___something That wouldn't be a deus ex machina. A deus ex machina is plot device whereby a seemingly unsolvable problem in a story is suddenly and abruptly resolved by an unexpected and unlikely occurrence. Tawaret being a god and knowing other gods that have powers would mean that the situation isn't "unsolvable" nor would it be unlikely or unexpected.
@@blinkachu5275 This is half-"Me joking about the literal interpretation of the term having the word god in the name", and half saying that using jake in that way is almost too narratively convenient since it would come out of nowhere, and hasn't even been hinted at even off-handedly.
@@josh___something It kinda has been hinted at though in the scene where they both said it wasn't them and with the other sarcophagus
I cried when Steven said to seemingly himself "you were a child it wasn't your fault". then at the moment after the funeral where he left broke down then switched, calling his mom like he doesn't know she's gone.
I think he created steven to cope with his trauma and he created Jake to cope with is anger and guilt towards his mother. Marc is the medium between the ultra-passive Steven and ultra-aggressive Jake. With Steven in the Duat, and Marc in the field of reeds I think Jake will be the one who goes through the gates of Osiris. IDK where this will end or how/if it'll fit into the greater MCU but I here for the full ride
Great take
After seeing Marc’s relationship with his parents, I have to wonder if he views Khonshu as a sort of a father figure to some extent. His own father couldn’t protect him from his mother, yet Khonshu saved him from certain death and gave him true power in an instant.
Possibly 🤔
I don't have the best relationship with my mom so, the 3 main deity I worship I see as mother's,
Taweret is his protective caring mother as well if u think about it for a second :((
@@mylife-23 does it help you at all? my Mum was also quite abusive but I'm not religious or anything and don't really have a mother figure in my mind or life and I struggle to build relationships and my Mum made me think my dad was an awful person as a kid so we're still building a relationship.
@@aspenture1087 it isn't for everyone but it does help me, even thou my biological mom is toxic, I have spiritual ones to turn to. They've always looked over me.
This episode made me cry because of Oscar Isaac's impeccable acting and portrayal of both Marc and Steven. Definitely my favourite thus far.
Man Oscar Isaac is at his top game here this was one hell of emotional episode can’t wait for the finale now next week!
Probably worth pointing out that when Steven falls overboard and starts to turn into stone, he’s in the same position as Crawley, the performer he keeps talking to in the first episode, whose “job” is also to stay as still as possible. What I find equally interesting is that he turns to stone just before he's "denied" entrance to the Field of Reeds, echoing the words of the little girl from episode 1 when she says "Did it suck when you got rejected from the Field of Reeds?" It's like everything came back full circle in this episode.
*SPOILERS* *SPOILERS* I really hope Steven isn’t gonna be gone forever bc he’s just so sweet and doesn’t deserve all he went through literally just this wpisode
i cried during that scene, like literally
I really hope that isn't the end for Steven. Im sure it isnt but never know.
He isn’t dead, because Mr. Knight needs to come back into play.
@@TypicalCynic_ Not to mention, he's basically just a different personality for marc, it isn't gonna really disappear that easily.
@@zackrose6261 And Mr. Knight is integral part of Moon Knight’s character. He’s basically Marvel’s Batman, but instead of having all his traits in one personality like Bruce Wayne, he instead has multiple different personalities that all have a specific purpose. Moon Knight is the crime fighting vigilante, but Mr. Knight is supposed to be the intelligent, calculating, detective side. Both aspects of his character need to be in balance because that’s what makes Moon Knight so interesting, that’s why I don’t believe Steven Grant is dead. If he really is dead though, then we just lost a whole half of the character in the first season. That doesn’t bode well with me.
Marc’s brother also was obsessed with Steven Grant, Nemo, died when he was still a child. I think Steven was an infusion of the Tomb fantasy and Marc’s thought of his brother living on.
I don't think Steven is gone. This episode reminded me of issue #9 of the Jeff Lemire run when Marc is reconciling/reabsorbing his alters and Steven asks "Will I die, Marc?". Marc tells him "I don't think you can. You're a part of me." Wherever Marc goes, Steven is there also (even if he's not on the surface).
Steven needs to be gone though, unfortunately. As the show is concerned, Steven was created as a extreme defense mechanism for trauma. Once Marc confronts it, Steven is no longer "needed"
Not really sure we've got hope if the basic emobodiment of steven got stoned by the sand
I think we might not meet Jake at all or they will tease us in a way that make his existence clear to us without completely bringing him into the story. There is also the chance that he will appear when we expect him the least to save the day.
I also think that we might get Steven back later. Either through Konshu or after the guys win and prove to the the other gods that Marc and Konshu were right they might bring Steven back as a reward. We’ll see!
Yeah, Jake might be a tease in case for a season 2 or a movie, still i feel he will be addressed by the end of the show
There was Jake. In this scene where he grabs the glass thing. The accent is different.
Jake's the one with a bloody bandaid on his nose. Look at his eyes, it's rage. He's quick to resort to violence and grabbed the glass to stab people.
@@FireJach Yeah he wasn't acting like Marc or Steven he almost seemed to be enjoying it for a few seconds before the rage took over and your right his accent was off.
maybe jake will be introduced in the end and in season 2 they will try to bring back Steven.
The ending made me scream "noooooo!!" And was buthurt for like an hour but now I love this episode so much
Thanks for the heart and the likes
Strange question but who made the Rath pfp?
@@dantenagarjuna811 it keeps deleting its self
@@dantenagarjuna811 just look up rath ben 10 and keep scrolling down
I was so mad it was so short...but now I'm in acceptance 🤷♂️
I think it's one of the most thought provoking and emotional episodes by marvel so far! The way they handled the mental health aspect was impressive even in with the fictional aspects involved
We love how Marvel can sprinkle a little humor to keep us from getting too depressed from strong emotional scenes but this episode was so powerful the humor could not defuse it. It was like sprinkles of water on a open flame. Damn this was a a good episode.
The scene where Steven watched Marc turn into him reminded me of the scene in Toy Story where Buzz realises he's actually a toy. Really heartbreaking stuff.
If Oscar Issac doesn’t win an Emmy Award, for these performance(s), I am going to FREAK OUT!!!
Seriously though, this is a landmark performance that elevates him to the top tier of screen acting. I was not prepared for the directions and depths this episode would take us, but I was completely absorbed and moved by it all. It’s telling that last night after watching the episode, I checked out the live feed of another (unnamed) channel’s live feed. It was kinda filled with remarks bashing this episode as “boring”, “lame”, “the worst”, etc…and bitching about there not being enough of Moon Knight, and fight scenes. Meanwhile, the comment thread here is showing me near universal acclaim. Makes me think twice about the kind of audience each channel draws, even when they cover much of the same content.
Keep up the great work here, gentlemen…
This episode broke me. I can't imagine how painful it must be to have the one person that is supposed to love you unconditionally, a mom, blame you every day, hurt you and hate you so much for something that it's not your fault, it was heartbreaking. I hope that Steven comes back, i love him so much!!
and the hippo (i forgot the goddess name) she was soooo cute.
Absolutely loved Marvel delving into DID, and this show hit so hard on it. This is exactly what happens; integration and healing and finally becoming one, but Jake seems to be the hidden alter in the system that both don't know about, hence why the scales balanced even tho there is another. We are just supposed to see glimpses of Jake (aka bloodied up nose one) to know he is in there somewhere. People with DID have been known to have hidden subsystems within their system with even more alters inside. I knew Steven was the coping alter, there were too many gaps in his memories and you can clearly hear it when he speaks to the golden guy about blackouts and why he directly never spoke to his mom, I had a feeling she was gonna be a big factor in it, it seemed irrelevant but when Layla said you speaking to her again, I knew something was off.
How does it work that Steven directly experienced the abuse but did not remember it? I don't have a good enough grasp on how healing alters work
Was it Jake briefly in the room with Ethan hawke’s character at the start when he grabbed the glass ornament?
@@giuseppepiuma1965 It's more likely that when the abuse occurred he reverted back to marc to shield steven and then to make himself feel better afterwards brought back steven.
@@rebelxoswald if that's the case, the scene was narratively unclear, since Steven just appeared
1:50 I’m pretty sure this isn’t Marc or Steven. They are both in the hallway with Taweret, and neither have a break in that current reality. Plus that’s definitely a New York accent… I’m thinking we finally saw Jake and didn’t even realize it.
exactly and even tho it seems subtle , his demeanor, look, style just changes entirely I love it and absolutely believe this is Jake
I think the key to trigger Jake is for both of them to freak out or to be specific both of them need to be at a state of max emotion exploding because D.I.D is trigger to deal with trauma.
Notice that Steven appear when Marc is emotional about his mom and in episode 1 Marc took control back when Steven is super freak out.
This one definitely was the most emotional episode of the series. It hit really close to home for me. Especially that song in the end when Marc makes it to the field of reeds. My mom used to sing that song to me when i was young. I had completely forgotten about it until today. Since then i haven’t stopped crying😢
Tbh I think it was Jake at the start of this episode, with the bandage on his nose and different accent that Marc and Steven don’t have. Plus he was way more aggressive than the other two and I think he was the one that took the belt beating in the room not marc. It would make sense for his character’s personality and why he is the way he is.
Yh because lil Marc switched to Steven but when the mom came in steven started moving wierdly slow and it doesn't make sense for Marc to be there so Jake might be the Protector perhaps
Man. Oscar deserve Oscars. Emotional Episode. Everything is felt in this episode. just, wow.
I watched this with my husband, who at a young age, was taken away from his mom because she was incredibly abusive to him and his siblings. He related so much to this episode, it was so heartbreaking. Even the leaving at a young age, but kinda going off of what you guys said he actually told me after it ended that he did not want to have children due to what happened to him because he was scared of the mom they would have. But he said when he met me he knew his children would have the perfect mom for his children because I was the complete opposite of his mother. Very sad, but very sweet exchange between my husband and I that I thought was sweet to share.
I have 2 very simple words to describe this episode... EMOTIONAL DAMAGE
Theory (*edit: I put all the Vs in the right place lmao*):
I found it very interesting that Marc was already at terms with what happened in his life because of his manifestation of Steven. But, when Steven gets thrown off the boat, the scales immediately balance because (maybe) Steven still hadn’t been fully at terms with the life that happened around him. I wonder if the scales would have balanced had Marc and Steven embraced sooner than the climactic end we saw.
I thought the reason it didn’t balance was because they only tested 2 of them, there’s still one more alter.
the scales balance because when steven so called dies when he jumps off the boat there is only 2 souls left. marc and jake therefore its balanced
its steven with a V bruh
So Marc's alter identity is DR.STRANGE?
@@Stephen1873 I like your line of thinking. The only counter I have for this is: wouldn’t the “correct” soul matter in this case? Taweret grabbed two based on who was in front of her, but I think the quality of those souls still matter.
So glad to see your guy's reaction to this amazing episode. Man I can't say how much I love this show. I really felt this episode gave us such an amazing performance by everyone but especially Isaac. Really hope they can stick the landing with how the ending of this episode went.
I think this episode was the best and the most emotional I’ve gotten. The way you understood Steve and Marc was at a level of how we think internally. All of us go through a place in ourselves to find that numbing pain. When we’re alone, all we can do is make a friend out of ourselves. And once you saw yourself letting go of a part of you. When Steve turned into stone… it was basically Marc watching himself perish. It’s very ironic how Steve got thrown in the sand instead of Marc. You would expect the narrator to place Steve at that place where the tall grass were and where the sun was setting. But Marc got to feel at peace. It’s like they switched places for a brief second. Sometimes you gotta let that part of you that’s hurting also be at peace.
I think steven will be the tether that lets him escape the field of reeds. so it's no longer marc saving steven, it's steven saving marc,and it creating a share understanding of how they need each other
Dude i was not expecting to cry watching moon knight but this episode did it. That ending better not be permanent!
This episode was genuinely heartbreaking I'm at a lose for words they covered very uncomfortable subject matter with maturity while not sugarcoating.
What an emotional and beautiful episode this was. That last scene and the song in the ending credits...Phew! Oscar Isaac acted his heart out. Television doesn't get better than this.
Btw when “marc” stands up with the pyramid in his hand at the start of the episode, a lot of people (including myself) are theorising that was Jake. The accent is different, he is a bit more witty, eyes are widened, more brutal (literally tries to stab himself in the eye). I don’t think Jake is going to be a key part in this season, most likely for a season 2, but still cool to see references to him.
It struck me that it was a different accent, and a different personality.
I’m not an expert on USA accents but it sounded more New York.
100% agree
@@EvilSoupDragon I think a lot of people are claiming it’s a Chicago accent. Although I’m not great with accents either so idk
it was definitely a NY accent. especially how he says "doctor"
he also had a significantly different jaw posture throughout that scene, which is something actors do to portray different characters and voice inflections, very Brando-esque which makes a lot of sense if he's going to be playing a NY cabbie character
Yeah to bad there's not going to be a season 2
I actually cried a little bit in this episode Oscar did such a great job because I felt the emotion he put into each character. And actually seeing that Steven was a coping mechanism when it came to Marc feeling pain. Now that he’s ‘gone’ Marc will have to face everything alone which is the point but I’ll miss Steven 😩
I loved this episode. Wish this was 7 episodes. Wonder how they're gonna close everything next week
It will be a long episode I think
They won’t, there will be a cliffhanger for a season 2
@@Nat.ali.a yes, but atleast show a connection to MCU I just want to know when this show happens before no way home or after it
@@Nat.ali.a it’s a limited series, I think we are gonna see him next in a movie
@@naveen.119 I mean we all thought Loki would be a limited series. Though maybe he’ll graduate to movies.
This episode is sooo sick. Was anxiously waiting for your reaction after watching this masterpiece. Love you guys ❤️
There were 2 hearts on the scale, but three personalities (1 of which isn’t known presumably to the other 2)
When Steven was “killed” it evened it out 2/2.
Marc is not what his mom deluded herself to believe but perhaps Jake is, maybe as some sort of manifestation that’s come to life within Marc’s psyche. Them being “2/2” would make sense in relation to the effect the trauma had on Marc
@@AveChristusRex789 Oooh that's an intresting take not to say this Jake is necessarily "evil" but he's the monster Marc's mom made him out to be.
@@Bluejay-jg6hz exactly
@@AveChristusRex789 i don’t think Jake is even existing
@@miketrapper0464 there’s been hints. Like the 3rd sarcophagus failing to open at the end of the 4th episode and with Steven and Marc both waking up and wondering who killed the mercenaries while Steve/Marc were holding a knife. It’s obvious there’s someone else that the show hasn’t revealed yet, it wouldn’t make sense leaving off Jake when there are these hints and the fact that that Jake is always a personality of Moon Knight in every storyline he’s been in
I feel like the fact that Steven was wondering what happened to Marc in the past means Marc has had associative Identity Disorder for a majority of his life. Plus I love how they basically ripped the origin out from the comics
It's disassociative identity disorder not associative identity disorder
People with DID get it very early on in their lives from childhood trauma. So yes, Marc and his system have pretty much always had DID :)
I love how this series didn’t focus on the actual moon knight suit and fight scenes, there is plenty of time for that in future appearances.
We want something different and should appreciate when we get it
Scorsese: MCU's not cinema
*Moon Knight has entered chat*
Oh man. I needed this after crying from that episode!!! This series is everything!
Just when I thought I couldn’t come to love and care for a character as much as I did for Wanda in Wandavision, now I love Marc Spector AND Steven Grant just as much. I did not expect Moon Knight to make me cry as hard as episode 8 of Wandavision, but here I am, with a eyes red and raw from wiping tears away.
It’s easy to dismiss Steven as just a “stress ball” but no, he is as much of a person now as Marc. And I hope somehow he comes back.
Also Oscar Issac had better be nominated for best actor at the Emmy’s!!
My same thoughts exactly.
WandaVision hit me hard when I watched it partially because of dealing with grief in my own life at the time. It was a great show regardless, but my personal experiences might have made it resonate more with me. IDK. I don’t have experiences similar to Marc and Steven, but this episode was so well done I still found myself getting very emotional. Moon Knight is on track to become my favorite Marvel show.
Steven's origin is so f*cking powerful. I can imagine myself as a kid making up somethnig like a world in my head to escape the trauma. I'm starting to like Marc more than any Marvel character.......RIP Tony
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What I love of this episode, is the ride of emotions that you get, one minute you’re laughing, then you’re confused, then crying then excited… it’s amazing
Oscar Issac deserves an award for this level of Performance
Like maybe an oscar?
@@ourdailymeat Definitely an Emmy atleast
@@adityasuresh8106 the "oscar" 😁
Oscar for Oscar lol.
That transition at 12:47 reminds me of the second episode where Steven goes back to the museum after being attacked by the jackal. Only this time, he's not upside down.
steven protecting marc, at the beginning and in the end
This episode really showcased the best Oscar isaac performances I've seen. A deep dive into DID and Mohamed Diab definitely didn't shy away from the darker tones. If you've watched his movies like Clash (which is my favourite) and Amira, you know he won't shy away from subject matters that is not easy to watch or deemed controversial by mainstream.
most teary-eyed i've gotten. watching an MCU show so far ngl
Such an amazing episode. Personally I think it's Oscar Isaac's best performance ever. Also, this episode is like a master class for DID acting. Thumbs up. 5 stars. Thank you Marvel and thank you Greg and John for your fantastic conversation.
James McAvoy tier DID acting
The way this series has handled mental illness and disassociative disorders and coping mechanisms is absolutely phenomenal. I have schizoaffective disorder, and it's easy to show those types of coping mechanisms in the wrong way. This episode was beautiful and tragic from start to finish.
I didn't notice the only Marc in the mirrors when I watched this - I was too busy absolutely admiring how amazingly good the visuals and reflection of Taweret in the mirror looked to pay attention lol. For real, Moon Knight has been something I've wanted to see on screen for years now, and I've been consistently impressed with it. Honestly my favorite thing Marvel has done.
2:05 the accent, his cadence, even the way his eyes look…that has to be Jake fronting, right???
had the thought but really not sure
i also think the dude drink by the car isnt marc, i think its jack, than it turns to marc than to steven
@@wisewillowgames jake is pure his hate for his mum, stephen is his love for his mum and marc is the reality
@@LilGRaven Steven with a V
@@LilGRaven i think jake hates her and probs stood up agianst her while marc hid amd steven distracted.
this episode brought up so much trauma I wasn't expecting. I love the way we truly come to understand the dynamic between Marc and Steven. So many emotions and Oscar Isaac brought them all to life so perfectly
Did anyone notice when at first Harrow was interacting with Marc, and when Marc was started retailiating his sound/accent didn't sound like Marc. I seemed to me like it was Jake!! 🧐🧐
This show gets better every week, really wish there were more than six episodes. I’m still undecided on what’s real, but that’s what makes it great for me. I look forward to these recaps every week. Thanks for your commitment and hard work.
Wow this episode was so emotional, I wasn’t expecting it. Oscar Isaac has outdone himself! What a great performance
I haven't cried watching tv/movie for a few months now and this episode made me cry. For both Marc's trauma and Stevens's death.
Was that jake at the beginning? Because it seemed like Marc was reacting to the hippo rather than coming back from the Doctors office. Because when Steven goes to the office, he too is dressed in white.
Exactly ! felt like they were definitely trrying to trick us
Marc even asks Dr. Harrow if he injected him with something. It definitely wasn't him or Steven.
Such a great episode hope they stick the landing next week. Also the editing on the Patreon shoutout alone was phenomenal 😂
one of the most fascinating aspects of this episode is that not 1 second of it happened in Real Time/space. it was all in the spiritual realms and Marc/Steven's memories. It all could have happened in the time it took Marc's body to submerge in the water after being shot.
🤯 Greg just made me realize that I've been so engaged with the show and Oscar's acting is so good that I never took the time to acknowledge that he was doing twice as much work with doing double takes and playing the role of both Marc and Steven. His acting has been so outstanding and believable each episode that it seems like he did it all in 1 take lol. Much respect.
The Steven personality feels like his dead brothers soul, Marc trying to give him a better life and Steven protecting his brother at the end, made me think of that. We don't really know what happend in the cave, his brother could have possibly saved Marc at the cost of his life and now he is saving him here again in this episode. Real interested where it goes.
the brother drowning in the cave reminds me of bill's brother george being killed by it during a rainy flood
Looks like Kevin has finally learned the lesson and had the balls to handle greater emotional gravitas👌
Brilliant episode and even fascinating conversation breaking down the episode and the story so far. This was an emotional episode that i'm still trying to recover from, best Marvel series by far 😥
Yes I agree Oscar Issac deserves a acting Award . He’s awesome! The way he switched back and forth between the two characters had me spellbound. This was a great talk with you guys.
Amazing episode, hit really close to home due to a lot of childhood trauma related to my mom as well (tho I do not have DID luckily), however, I will say that I'm slightly annoyed that we only have one more episode. There seems to be waaay too much to wrap up in just another 50 min episode :/
There are varying forms of DID. I experienced trauma close to like what was displayed in this episode but it was mainly for punishments and by my Dad. I have a lower tier of DID where I dissociate when I feel like I am in a situation I can’t handle. For me it’s not like a separate personality as much as it a cloak of armor that will protect me in my most vulnerable moments. I cant explain it but look into DID cause not all cases are as severe as the one shown in Moon Knight. Just saying
@@Cobra_156 oh yeah DID used to just be what you described and whats shown in moon knight used to be called split personality disorder right? or am I completely wrong? Maybe thats just always how I've thought and they've both always been the same thing.
@@aspenture1087 nope you’re right
Usually when they have two characters that are supposed to be identical in a scene I really notice it. But Oscar plays Marc and Steven so differently that I forget it’s the same actor sometimes. It’s so fluid and well done
I know it's meant to be a limited series, but I hope they consider a 2nd season for this wonderful show.
Loved the Legion vibes in this episode.
I also enjoy how dark this is at times, for a Disney + show.
Now imagine what it'd be like on Netflix.
Or FX.
This particular episode reminded me ALOT of this 2003 thriller Identity with John Cusack, Amanda Peet and Ray Liotta.
Except that it is well represented
@@Sagekittykin wait did you mean "except"? If so, then I very much agree with you...
Oh my god! Last weeks episode and this - EVERY TIME I’m putting final touches on video I go “why didn’t I bring up the movie Identity?” I just rewatched it 3 months ago or so and that definitely comes to mind
@@ReelRejects lmao oh damn, so you HAVE seen it already, I was hoping to you haven't JUST to see you do a review on it or something because I enjoyed the hell out that film back when it was released, i had forgot also doc ock was in it playing as a Doc lol... I did notice this episode was like the 2nd to the last episode of Wandavision, the whole facing traumas, visiting the past to find the source, the "rebirth" (becoming the heroes), battling with their self, then accepting and forgiving themselves etc..
That song at the end, Más aya del sol ☀️ would be played during funerals. My grandpa would sing it all the time. Definitely caught me off guard. Amazing episode
This matched the same energy as WandaVision episode 8. What an emotionally heavy ride
why must everything be compared to wandavision?
@@gonk_ch this episode mirrors the same template and emotional energy as episode 8. That’s why it was so good. They deep dive into the emotional traumatic backstory of the main character and really gets the audience invested into them.
@@gonk_ch bcuz WandaVision was the first and one of the greatest marvel spinoffs on Disney plus
except wandavision is 100x better than mid knight
Matched? More like SURPASSED IT
This was an amazing episode and such a dark yet important subject matter to tackle in more of a mainstream way. One of the first things that you learn studying psychology is how often pathologies are rooted in the family and this hits that nail on the head perfectly. It felt thematically very similar to the video game, "Hellblade: Senua's Sacrifice", which if you're not familiar - is about someone with severe mental illness that slowly reveals a backstory of horrific child abuse. Both Ethan Hawke and especially Oscar Isaac were simply phenomenal in this, it is not easy to portray this sort of subject matter so authentically.
Man, I think the episode's moment of self-actualization that it wasn't his fault should've been longer, it didn't give Marc's realization any space to sink in, only to be acknowledged until they had to switch of the next scene. I felt that moment and I just got snapped back to the plot suddenly and I didn't even have time to really process it or to say better, see Marc process that and having it sink in. I'm not saying it doesn't hit, but I'd want to see marc swallow that pill, THEN go to the plot. Idk if I'm the only one that feels like that tho
Amazing episode and man can I just say that kid that plays young Marc is so brilliant too especially in that moment where we first see how he created Steven the way that kid also changed his accent was so good he kept that Oscar Isaac vibe and kept me in the world of the story. What an emotional episode 👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾👏🏾 definitely one of my favorite episodes
Personally I think this is finally Marc being able to have a silence mentally for him and him alone to now realize how important all of his different facets is. The field of reeds is Marc being able to think clearly without someone else swaying his mental state. He’ll return a more complete person
I was going to mention something similar to wandavision where Wanda had to face her past by going through her history through time and accepting what has happened and dealing with her grief. Here we have Marc trying to face his past and accepting his mistakes and moving forward. both shows had AMAZING transitions and i loved how this type of storytelling has moved from Wandavision to Moon knight. Loved the reaction and review guys ✨🙏🏾
I feel like it's Marvels way of connecting the shows with each other, without actually connecting the plots or the characters. While watching moonknight, you get so invested in this particular part of the world, it's so easy to forget you're still in the mcu.