Thank you everyone for your input! This game was definitely divisive to say the least, we'll be thinking of ways to reduce the feel bads in the future ;)
Yeah man. This video was more showing off disparity in power levels than actually showcasing the commanders and deck building. MLD is okay when you have a win con. Not setting the game back 4 turns.
Forget that, man. You guys boiled this down to a 20 minute video, which spared us the agony of experience. And with the exception of Brent, who was basically shut out the whole game, there was still interaction, as Matt's strategy did not guarantee him the game, in those early turns. Besides, it was still entertaining to watch. So, forget the crybabies. And thanks for another great show. :)
I'm in the boat that if you're playing a game of commander, agree upon the power level beforehand. Everyone at the table obviously discussed the power level of the decks beforehand and knew that there would be Mass Land Destruction. That's something you usually want everyone at the table to know about if you're going to be playing with them for more than just the one time. The people in the comments who are whining about the land destruction, get over yourself. You're not entitled to anything, they play what they want to play how they want to play to enjoy the game their way. I enjoyed watching it happen because it so rarely does happen in any of the commander videos you see on youtube. Like some unwritten pansy rule where you can't do mean things to each other as you play. Again, I say play however you see fit and don't pander to the loud few.
@@seanmachlan3282 I guess having a quality standard is being a cry baby. So I'll remain being one and watching high quality. While you waste time with low quality shit. Great deal. Everyone wins.
@@TheDankestDungeon it would be nice to see someone to pilot a Sanwell, Avenger Ace as a commander as there is no commander gameplay video of them on TH-cam so could you please rev your enigine and jump into the seat to play splash as artifact creatures and vehicles. ╰(*°▽°*)╯
I've actually never seen (and luckily never been against) a mass land destruction deck. It was interesting to note that the Gitrog deck did not seem ready on board to take advantage of the land wipe and it was more of a way to slow everyone else down, but their decks could eventually take advantage of the situation. It was disheartening to see how much it affected the table though and I'm sure everyone did their best to be a good sport about it. Thanks for the content!
Yeah I imagine he pulled the trigger on the first Ravages because he felt he was about to be outpaced and already had the Demonic Tutor in hand to set back up in a stronger spot.
@@VictorianoOchoa it absolutely did not xD it was horrible to watch and probably worst to play. MLD is the worst thing you can do in "fun" tables, and believe me, i love MLD, i have build maybe 4 different decks all around blowing up lands
@@ruirei6139 So if you want to make this argument, you will have to use reasoning instead of appealing to yourself as an authority on the matter. My evidence is that in casual tables, without MLD, green ramp big spells tend to run away with the game. But MLD is the best check to this strategy, which makes it inherently interesting.
@@VictorianoOchoa i dont know what tables you have been playing but where u play rarely the big mana green decks win. If that us the case sure MLD could help out
Fantastic strategy for Thalia and Gitrog, using your opponents graveyard as your own as well recurring all your own stuff is brilliant. I never wouldve thought to use MLD to do it, but it really makes sense when you think about it. Good vid, keep up the good work.
@@TheDankestDungeon Agree with the other 2 here. Literally stopped watching when you rolled a die to decide who to attack there. Im assuming the GY deck won after that.
I'll agree that rolling for target wasn't the right call, because a roll for Nate would have absolutely been incorrect. But Brent did have a Ramos, Dragon Engine and Nyxbloom Ancient in play, and full health, and presumably a grip of cards because he hadn't done much up until this point. And at the time Matt's board was wiped from the Culling Ritual. I think killing Matt at that point would have just put an easy win in Omnath's lap, which a lot of people probably would have loved because many wanted to see Omnath do some work and for Matt to be punished for playing land destruction. But, I don't think the play to kill Thalia right there was the only viable call. Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@jgroen5545 yeah I almost stopped watching too, next time I see land destruction I know I will, not worth my time watching every one trying to rebuild, makes for a very boring time
Was truly baffled when Yargle didn’t take out Thalia & Gitrog when he had the chance, seemed like the clear choice. Still a good game despite all of the MLD!
Man what a brutal game definitely became unbearable to watch after the land destruction. I’m scrapping a whole deck I had an idea for solely off how miserable this looked for the others.
I've never seen mass land destruction in person and although it's not something I'd play. Once in a while I'd be happy to play against it to test my decks resilience. I enjoyed the game and the meme short is what brought me here
Personally the Thalia deck is not for me but reading the comments makes me happy that some people really like the lockout style gameplay and I'm glad there's something here for everyone!
This game started just playing randomly from a command zone episode and as soon as I saw the ravages hit I stopped watching there is soooooo many other stax to use that aren't mass land destruction
I enjoyed the match and even the salt that MLD brought to the table. It is cool to see it showcased as it is so much more painful to play against then to watch. The only issue I had was the roll to decide who to attack with Yargle. There is no way a deck running MLD and Attrition effects should have ever not been an instant target with their current boardstate. Being just within kill range thanks to Mana Crypt greed/unluck was the icing on the cake. Still enjoyed the video overall.
Decided to build Locus of All which brought me here. Can't believe I missed the sweatiest game ever played 😂 I am 100% leaving the table after the "You have an Arcane Signet" 😂😂😂
Land destruction is like that one kid that would break a toy just so noone could play with it, unless he could. Target land destruction yes, mass land destruction hell no
That's your opinion. People that ramp excessively deserved to be punished it's called overextending and if you want to ramp excessively you'll be punished for it.
@@MTGSavage and that is your opinion, potato, potato. I don't really see your point of ramping excessively, since there weren't that many ramped lands. And in the end it just grinds games to a halt. If you had ten lands or five, at the end you have none and you can see why the two of them scooped to land destruction, since you can't do anything, if you don't have any mana. Artefacts don't really factor into this, since most mana comes from lands
@Yordy Bones I played a game the other day where I played Worldslayer and effectively hit someone with it and all permanents got wiped out but the World Slayer lol.
@Nick Jones If you don't have an answer for it, it's your fault. I played a game against a guy who looped Humility which led to a 5 hour game but I won after a hard grind and he respected the hell out of me for it.
Bad threat assessment. The land recursion/land destruction deck should've went first. Shocked that Thitrog won 😱 Love your content though. Keep up the great work
The new Omnath has had a hard time on our channel so far, we're thinking about including him in a third round of games to give him the time to shine that everyone wants to see!
In my playgroup we don’t play WMDs so this gameplay was in some sense a new experience for me. I mean every playgroup has its rules and I am happy for you if you enjoy your rules however this match showed me that I am happy with our rules, I wouldn’t have enjoyed this non-game as a player.
@@MTGSavage And then you sit down at a table where someone is ramping exclusively through artifacts and you king make them, or someone responds with a Teferi's protection and they run away with it easily.
@WolfSajin Just now seeing this comment. I'm talking about in situations where the person ramping isn't also playing MLD lol. In this situation we needed more removal for his commander allowing to ramp I suppose.
Idk the fact he wiped a few times and just barely got it done makes me feel like why run the wipes unless it’s for pure salt which felt like it was He didn’t even look like he had a good time 😂
People need to get over the land destruction. Just because it isn’t your preferred way, doesn’t mean people shouldn’t play it. Perfectly viable strategy and happy to see it getting visibility. Awesome content!
@isaac january Find me in a Spelltable game and see if you have the resources to target me out of the game lol. I have 45 commander decks and working on 56 more ATM, been playing for years haha.
While land destruction decks aren’t always fun to go against I still think this episode showed that each deck had some sick stuff to do, had the LD not happened. And even tho it did it’s still cool seeing what Thalia/Frog can do. Thanks for the content gents!
I'll say it here like I say at the LGS or friends house when some "rolls for who to hit" don't be a coward- pick and swing! Especially in this situation it was quite literally a no brainer. Hell if im MLD- I'll tell the table I'm the threat why aren't you swinging this way lol.
Not fun game. Imho. If you play ravages. End the game quickly. For viewers, most of the time they want to see how the commanders play. Wana see omnath though unfortunately, it is in a wrong table
Agreed. That was brutal and not fun to watch one player pop off and everyone else struggle bus. If I wanted to watch one player jerk off for 22 minutes, I would just watch playing with power
I for one thoroughly enjoyed this. I'm always the spike at the table trying to convince everyone that we should focus on expressing cool stuff with our decks and not get obsessed with what cards/strategies are unfun to play against. Staxx gameplans are cool, I love thalia/gitrog as a commander and only haven't made it because my friends told me they would hate it.
Yeah, I think most of our group views situations like this as something to try and play around/overcome, not to ban certain types of gameplay. But every groups different!
Not to add to the hate, but when 3 players are clearly playing at a casual level, going that sweaty and try-hard seems to be too much. Slimefoot and Squee should have polito-talked their abrupt decay into not being targeted and keeping it for future protection. They didn't tho, because yargole/multani was about to one shot, and its a casual match. That made it clear they werent playing competively and was keeping up the fun of the match. After the first land wipe, Thalia/gitrog should have been prime target, and even after the future board wipe. scute swarm was in the thalia/gitrog players hand! How does yargole/multani roll the dice for an attack and swing at someone, who at the time, had done nothing all game? Because only the thalia/gitrog player was playing competively. Everyone else was being casual. I dont mind sitting at a table and playing at all kinds of levels, if the expection is at least relatively equal. The thalia/gitrog player was willing to do whatever it takes to win, and no one else really seemed to be on that page. That all being said, i still did like the video because it clearly got me all up in arms enough to type multi-paragraphs on youtube, lol. I just kind of wish all the decks got to play a little more because the second I saw the video featured my favorite upcoming commanders, i was dumb excited to see what they would do. Only to have that excitement crushed by multiple landwipes as two players didnt even get to play the game. I respect playing competively, but idk, maybe discuss game expectations thoroughly beforehand. If there was a clear level of competitive expectation, than I can only say that the thalia/gitrog player played very well and that decklist is absolutely cracked.
I wouldn't say any of these decks are casual per se, all three of the other players were able to rebuild after the land destruction. This wasn't the first game we recorded with these decks, the other game may go up later. I don't want to spoil it, but Thalrog didn't fare well in that one. (fhis may have also contributed to the decision for the Yargle player to roll for opponent choice, again no spoilers, wink wink). I believe most of the table was A-Okay with the land destruction. Thanks for your passionate response!
@@TheDankestDungeon I wasn't saying the decks are casual, they were all clearly well built. Especially the yargole?multani pulling off the dark ritual, into diabolic tutor?(can't remember, that or demonic) into a toxic deluge. That was legit my fave play of the game! I'm just saying some players were clearly making casual decisions and one was not. Also, curious that wasn't your first game played and yet this is the one that got uploaded? Hard to believe that the other games were less interesting than 2 plays never doing anything... well, he omnath player did the one board wipe I guess. Edit: didn't see the rest of your comment, my b. Yeah, I figured the yargole player popped off in another game, hence the whole, "number 1 enemy" comment in the beginning of the video. Ty for your response as well, I would love to see the other game if you guys upload it
@@TheDankestDungeonone of the guys had no lands for the entire rest of the game. Then got two and you blew them up again. As a new viewer that stumbled on this gameplay to see the new commanders, it was not fun to watch or enjoyable with that MLD killing the game, since there wasn't a finisher when you did it. This is unfortunately why many dislike MLD. Not a gameplay that will intrigue me to subscribe.
I'm curious how you guys set out to build your decks when doing a brew like this where everyone picks a commander from a set. Is there any discussion about power level, combos, strategies etc? It seems like everyone goes pretty hard with the free spells, fast mana, stax etc. Is there anything off the table as far as what can be included in a deck? Is MLD something that is discussed ahead of time or was that a surprise to the table?
We typically don't have any restrictions other than whatever combos you may include should involve your commander in some way. After this latest round of games though we're looking into breaking our games into different power level brackets and being up front with the audience at the beginning of the video so viewers know what they're getting into to avoid feels bads.
I've never been excited for a Commander to release only to have seen someone play it and become disgusted with a build immediately. Also never felt so bad for a mage with an Omnath as their commander.
Jason not killing Matt with yargle because he wanted to attack a random opponent.... I mean c'mon, you've seen the deck, you know how it is going to end.... You had a guy that almost scooped early, and you're still oblivious to the damage land destruction has done
Well played by Thalia/Gitrog, brutal with the MLD and made the right plays to win. You should post another video tho, where the other players actually get to play magic and use their commanders lol. Every game I've watch with Omnath in it he never gets played due to oppressive opponents haha
The issue with control/MLD decks is that when the odds turn to your favour, it just becomes unplayable for the opponents which IMO is less fun than a Mega Ramp Deck simply playing more than the other players. All in all it was a fair game, just reconsider posting games that didn't play very fun for most players, as it will translate to the viewers usually. Great work anyway!
Lmao how is it scummy? I'll be putting MLD in my Zask deck now just because of your comment so my opponents in the future will have you to thank for that lol.
@@MTGSavageIt wouldn't be his fault, it would just be a tantrum exposing that you like to play mass destruction of land. It doesn't seem strange to me that you like to play it with these types of comments.
While it was nice to roll for that first Yargle attack they really should have went after the Thalia/Gitrog. The only one with a board that was developed and was ready to pop off... I don't think it changes anything, but maybe makes the game go one more turn... EDIT Just remembered T&G has first strike/deathtouch sooo it really didn't matter at all lol
I would include root maze into the deck. Stax is now one of the harder archetypes to play imo due to flash speed and free spells. Good job lock the table. Not easy when taking on the whole table. If u didn't have Armageddon in there you should add it in for consistency. 4 turns geddon rotation with ouphre is the new break partial.
Honestly was hoping to watch a game showcasing these new commanders but it seem counter intuitive to see them shine when everyone's mana bases keep being destroyed. Maybe in the future if you're showing off commanders for a new set to get people excited and looking to brew their own decks you should avoid playing mass LD.
Yeaaaaah...wasn't expecting ThalRog to be that brutal. Don't get me wrong, I love it. Just did not even consider the land destruction route when it was first revealed but, hey, I am all for it!
I despise land destruction more even than mill. I applaud the composure on the table though the body language spoke loudly. Facing a deck like that my sole purpose, win or lose, would be to damage the villain in every way possible.
Super disappointing. Get to minute 5 land destruction. Not finishing the vid. Matt is 'that' one player at the table and least likable. Play with the other folks.
2 of the decks were borderline inactive. The power level clearly wasn't anywhere near similar. It's either that or the pilots just didn't deck build properly.
As far as I see everyone had an attempt of winning (Seedborn, Yawrgmoth, Genesis Ultimatum) it just happened that he had the answer to every situation just in this case. IMO Yawgmorth player, Should've swung thalia instead of rolling a dice at random, and focusing him. The table was soft on the thalia player.
Well. It was... a learning experience to see MLD... once, and I hope I never see that again in a video or on a table I play. It completely ruined the game for everyone but Thalia imo, also for us as the watchers.
That was brutal, I loved it. Do your own thing guys and let people play what they like. Plenty of channels around that adhere to all the 'social norms' of EDH. I like this channel for the more anything goes approach. Would like to see the graveyards on the screen though.
Happy you liked the video! I think we might start giving a warning at the beginning of the video for games that end up playing out like this so everyone knows what they're getting into beforehand.
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Thank you everyone for your input! This game was definitely divisive to say the least, we'll be thinking of ways to reduce the feel bads in the future ;)
Yeah man. This video was more showing off disparity in power levels than actually showcasing the commanders and deck building. MLD is okay when you have a win con. Not setting the game back 4 turns.
Forget that, man. You guys boiled this down to a 20 minute video, which spared us the agony of experience. And with the exception of Brent, who was basically shut out the whole game, there was still interaction, as Matt's strategy did not guarantee him the game, in those early turns. Besides, it was still entertaining to watch.
So, forget the crybabies. And thanks for another great show. :)
I'm in the boat that if you're playing a game of commander, agree upon the power level beforehand. Everyone at the table obviously discussed the power level of the decks beforehand and knew that there would be Mass Land Destruction. That's something you usually want everyone at the table to know about if you're going to be playing with them for more than just the one time.
The people in the comments who are whining about the land destruction, get over yourself. You're not entitled to anything, they play what they want to play how they want to play to enjoy the game their way.
I enjoyed watching it happen because it so rarely does happen in any of the commander videos you see on youtube. Like some unwritten pansy rule where you can't do mean things to each other as you play. Again, I say play however you see fit and don't pander to the loud few.
@@seanmachlan3282 I guess having a quality standard is being a cry baby. So I'll remain being one and watching high quality. While you waste time with low quality shit. Great deal. Everyone wins.
Maybe he didn't have an immediate win. But he clearly played MLD to his advantage with cards like conduit of worlds. @@Printer-001
You could see Brent's soul leave his body when that Ravages dropped..
Lolll
@@TheDankestDungeon it would be nice to see someone to pilot a Sanwell, Avenger Ace as a commander as there is no commander gameplay video of them on TH-cam so could you please rev your enigine and jump into the seat to play splash as artifact creatures and vehicles. ╰(*°▽°*)╯
There's just something brutal about getting mass landwiped and it happened more than once. Godspeed everyone at the table sheesh
Very brutal, Culling Ritual can also be brutal, poor Nate!
Glad I read this before finishing the video, hate watching land wipes slow games down.
@@Silt44 Don't think it slowed the game down. If I recall correctly it just meant the one casting it got a pretty good lead on the others
Yeah, it finished the game immediately
It slowed the game down
That was kinda miserable…
I've actually never seen (and luckily never been against) a mass land destruction deck. It was interesting to note that the Gitrog deck did not seem ready on board to take advantage of the land wipe and it was more of a way to slow everyone else down, but their decks could eventually take advantage of the situation. It was disheartening to see how much it affected the table though and I'm sure everyone did their best to be a good sport about it. Thanks for the content!
Yeah I imagine he pulled the trigger on the first Ravages because he felt he was about to be outpaced and already had the Demonic Tutor in hand to set back up in a stronger spot.
Brent would have run away with the game if the first ravages didn't happen. I don't think Nate wins that game if he didn't fire it off when he did.
That was the single most un-fun game of magic i've ever witnessed.
That was very hard to watch. Land destruction and assymetric board wipe is just extremely un-fun.
The MLD made the game way more interesting. Otherwise what do we have but a bunch of boring green ramp into big creatures and spells.
@@VictorianoOchoa it absolutely did not xD it was horrible to watch and probably worst to play. MLD is the worst thing you can do in "fun" tables, and believe me, i love MLD, i have build maybe 4 different decks all around blowing up lands
@@ruirei6139 So if you want to make this argument, you will have to use reasoning instead of appealing to yourself as an authority on the matter. My evidence is that in casual tables, without MLD, green ramp big spells tend to run away with the game. But MLD is the best check to this strategy, which makes it inherently interesting.
@@VictorianoOchoa i dont know what tables you have been playing but where u play rarely the big mana green decks win.
If that us the case sure MLD could help out
Fantastic strategy for Thalia and Gitrog, using your opponents graveyard as your own as well recurring all your own stuff is brilliant. I never wouldve thought to use MLD to do it, but it really makes sense when you think about it. Good vid, keep up the good work.
Yargle should finish the Gitrog one when he have the chance!
Yeah, probably was the play to make there. But, Brent was starting to gain a board state back as well, that didn't last long though!
@dankest Nonsense, killing Gitrog was the only play here
@@TheDankestDungeon Agree with the other 2 here. Literally stopped watching when you rolled a die to decide who to attack there. Im assuming the GY deck won after that.
I'll agree that rolling for target wasn't the right call, because a roll for Nate would have absolutely been incorrect. But Brent did have a Ramos, Dragon Engine and Nyxbloom Ancient in play, and full health, and presumably a grip of cards because he hadn't done much up until this point. And at the time Matt's board was wiped from the Culling Ritual.
I think killing Matt at that point would have just put an easy win in Omnath's lap, which a lot of people probably would have loved because many wanted to see Omnath do some work and for Matt to be punished for playing land destruction.
But, I don't think the play to kill Thalia right there was the only viable call.
Thanks for watching and commenting!
@@jgroen5545 yeah I almost stopped watching too, next time I see land destruction I know I will, not worth my time watching every one trying to rebuild, makes for a very boring time
Was truly baffled when Yargle didn’t take out Thalia & Gitrog when he had the chance, seemed like the clear choice. Still a good game despite all of the MLD!
Doesn't the Thalia have first strike and deathtouch
@@Lorddacenshadowind it could not be blocked 🤦
Man what a brutal game definitely became unbearable to watch after the land destruction. I’m scrapping a whole deck I had an idea for solely off how miserable this looked for the others.
Consider this as well: one single Teferi's protection from someone that didn't cast the ravages would essentially be a king making scenario.
Or a heroic intervention, or almost any counterspell, or most graveyard hate. Honestly there was a lot they could've done
“Dick move” was the theme of this episode
The audacity of the guy saying gross when someone else played a Seedborn Muse
I've never seen mass land destruction in person and although it's not something I'd play. Once in a while I'd be happy to play against it to test my decks resilience. I enjoyed the game and the meme short is what brought me here
Personally the Thalia deck is not for me but reading the comments makes me happy that some people really like the lockout style gameplay and I'm glad there's something here for everyone!
Oh boy fun and interesting gameplay. I love seeing the lack of interaction squee, omnath and yargle had with mass land destruction. Terrible game
I was going to say the same thing, pretty lousy player, on the scummy end of things
I swear people will start complaining about counterspells soon
This game started just playing randomly from a command zone episode and as soon as I saw the ravages hit I stopped watching there is soooooo many other stax to use that aren't mass land destruction
I can see the hate but if you're going to throw this much of a tantrum about it then maybe play something else
Honestly I’d scoop after two land wipes too
I bet that Ravages player had to have someone else start his car afterwards
That would only help if he had 4 spare tires.
Lol!
What’s the deck list for Thalia and git? Matt was playing a cool deck 0:31
Was Matt jumped after the camera shut off 😂
Haha, nah, nothing but love here.
Those concessions were totally valid.
This game seemed so fun.......
I enjoyed the match and even the salt that MLD brought to the table. It is cool to see it showcased as it is so much more painful to play against then to watch. The only issue I had was the roll to decide who to attack with Yargle. There is no way a deck running MLD and Attrition effects should have ever not been an instant target with their current boardstate. Being just within kill range thanks to Mana Crypt greed/unluck was the icing on the cake. Still enjoyed the video overall.
Not sure if Yargle could fight through Ramos and Nyxbloom agent by himself after taking out Thalrog, but we'll never know now!
Always atack the asshole who destroyed the lands
It's so wild to see this and go "hey I know that guy from my LGS! What's he doing in a TH-cam short?" And then he played cards
Love the mass land destruction need more stax in the deck
Decided to build Locus of All which brought me here. Can't believe I missed the sweatiest game ever played 😂
I am 100% leaving the table after the "You have an Arcane Signet" 😂😂😂
Same
Very cool game, that definitely solidified my Thalirog deck! Thanks guys!
Our pleasure!
Rematch requested! Enjoying you guys content
We have another one recorded from this session, will be up eventually!
Land destruction is like that one kid that would break a toy just so noone could play with it, unless he could. Target land destruction yes, mass land destruction hell no
That's your opinion. People that ramp excessively deserved to be punished it's called overextending and if you want to ramp excessively you'll be punished for it.
@@MTGSavage and that is your opinion, potato, potato. I don't really see your point of ramping excessively, since there weren't that many ramped lands. And in the end it just grinds games to a halt. If you had ten lands or five, at the end you have none and you can see why the two of them scooped to land destruction, since you can't do anything, if you don't have any mana. Artefacts don't really factor into this, since most mana comes from lands
@Yordy Bones I played a game the other day where I played Worldslayer and effectively hit someone with it and all permanents got wiped out but the World Slayer lol.
Yeah imagine you come to play a game and just to have the game last 6+hours cause that one guy wanted to MLD the game, twice. Fun 🤩
@Nick Jones If you don't have an answer for it, it's your fault. I played a game against a guy who looped Humility which led to a 5 hour game but I won after a hard grind and he respected the hell out of me for it.
I love Thalia and The Gitrog Monster and the deck was built masterfully. This game was awesome!
Aww, he almost got the Flawless Victory.
Also this has given me ideas for my own Thalia+Frog deck. Terrible, Horrible, ideas...
Bad threat assessment.
The land recursion/land destruction deck should've went first.
Shocked that Thitrog won 😱
Love your content though.
Keep up the great work
you could clearly see how nobody on the table had any fun, what a great way to play commander
I was there, I was playing, I lost, I had a good time ;)
@@TheDankestDungeon yeah sure
Poor Omnath dude lol. This game hurt my soul watching his soul leave his body.
The new Omnath has had a hard time on our channel so far, we're thinking about including him in a third round of games to give him the time to shine that everyone wants to see!
@@TheDankestDungeon That'd be sweet! I know I want to see it 😂
In my playgroup we don’t play WMDs so this gameplay was in some sense a new experience for me. I mean every playgroup has its rules and I am happy for you if you enjoy your rules however this match showed me that I am happy with our rules, I wouldn’t have enjoyed this non-game as a player.
Land destruction is never fun for the table imo
Then don't ramp excessively like 99% of the meta these days 🤷♂️
The one ramping most was Thalrog himself 🙃
@@MTGSavagethat comment doesn’t make sense in this situation considering the person ramping was the person using MLD
@@MTGSavage And then you sit down at a table where someone is ramping exclusively through artifacts and you king make them, or someone responds with a Teferi's protection and they run away with it easily.
@WolfSajin Just now seeing this comment. I'm talking about in situations where the person ramping isn't also playing MLD lol. In this situation we needed more removal for his commander allowing to ramp I suppose.
Idk the fact he wiped a few times and just barely got it done makes me feel like why run the wipes unless it’s for pure salt which felt like it was
He didn’t even look like he had a good time 😂
People need to get over the land destruction. Just because it isn’t your preferred way, doesn’t mean people shouldn’t play it. Perfectly viable strategy and happy to see it getting visibility. Awesome content!
Thanks for the guidance playing Thalía monster I know that the moment I see the deck I’m targeting it out the game
They're a strong duo, I imagine most won't build it with land destruction though.
@@TheDankestDungeon Trust me you don’t know a lot of the community and what they will do I don’t either anything can happen
@isaac january Find me in a Spelltable game and see if you have the resources to target me out of the game lol. I have 45 commander decks and working on 56 more ATM, been playing for years haha.
@@TheDankestDungeon sure won’t! Lol mine will be a little salt with stacks but land destruction is too much
Do you have a decklist for the Thalia and Gitrog deck?
We post all our lists over on Patreon for our supporters there.
This game reminds me of why I haven't bothered to put together my Thalirog deck because I like having friends ;p
MLD for life
I would never play with Matt again.
Screw that. I was triggered so many times on his turns lol
Oh dear matt, tell me who hurt you? 😂 Nah, but that Thalirog was a spicy deck and very effective in this pod.
Yargle fella sold the entire game holy goodness
While land destruction decks aren’t always fun to go against I still think this episode showed that each deck had some sick stuff to do, had the LD not happened. And even tho it did it’s still cool seeing what Thalia/Frog can do. Thanks for the content gents!
Thanks Phantom!
Something about this game felt dirty
"Let's all play in the dirt," probably that part ;)
No complaints against MLD, its in the game for a reason.
I'll say it here like I say at the LGS or friends house when some "rolls for who to hit" don't be a coward- pick and swing! Especially in this situation it was quite literally a no brainer. Hell if im MLD- I'll tell the table I'm the threat why aren't you swinging this way lol.
Fr. My playgroup does this sometimes and it drives me nuts.
Wooow! Freaking awesome game. Love seeing taboo cards get to shine. Mass land destruction into stax, into attrition is so nasty, I loved it.
Glad you enjoyed it!
Not fun game. Imho. If you play ravages. End the game quickly. For viewers, most of the time they want to see how the commanders play. Wana see omnath though unfortunately, it is in a wrong table
Sorry you didn't enjoy the game, but everyone did get to see how Thalia/Gitrog plays ;)
@@TheDankestDungeon thats true though. Love still your videos though.. :)
Agreed!
Agreed. That was brutal and not fun to watch one player pop off and everyone else struggle bus. If I wanted to watch one player jerk off for 22 minutes, I would just watch playing with power
I for one thoroughly enjoyed this. I'm always the spike at the table trying to convince everyone that we should focus on expressing cool stuff with our decks and not get obsessed with what cards/strategies are unfun to play against. Staxx gameplans are cool, I love thalia/gitrog as a commander and only haven't made it because my friends told me they would hate it.
Yeah, I think most of our group views situations like this as something to try and play around/overcome, not to ban certain types of gameplay. But every groups different!
Not to add to the hate, but when 3 players are clearly playing at a casual level, going that sweaty and try-hard seems to be too much.
Slimefoot and Squee should have polito-talked their abrupt decay into not being targeted and keeping it for future protection. They didn't tho, because yargole/multani was about to one shot, and its a casual match. That made it clear they werent playing competively and was keeping up the fun of the match.
After the first land wipe, Thalia/gitrog should have been prime target, and even after the future board wipe. scute swarm was in the thalia/gitrog players hand! How does yargole/multani roll the dice for an attack and swing at someone, who at the time, had done nothing all game? Because only the thalia/gitrog player was playing competively. Everyone else was being casual.
I dont mind sitting at a table and playing at all kinds of levels, if the expection is at least relatively equal. The thalia/gitrog player was willing to do whatever it takes to win, and no one else really seemed to be on that page.
That all being said, i still did like the video because it clearly got me all up in arms enough to type multi-paragraphs on youtube, lol. I just kind of wish all the decks got to play a little more because the second I saw the video featured my favorite upcoming commanders, i was dumb excited to see what they would do. Only to have that excitement crushed by multiple landwipes as two players didnt even get to play the game.
I respect playing competively, but idk, maybe discuss game expectations thoroughly beforehand. If there was a clear level of competitive expectation, than I can only say that the thalia/gitrog player played very well and that decklist is absolutely cracked.
I wouldn't say any of these decks are casual per se, all three of the other players were able to rebuild after the land destruction.
This wasn't the first game we recorded with these decks, the other game may go up later. I don't want to spoil it, but Thalrog didn't fare well in that one. (fhis may have also contributed to the decision for the Yargle player to roll for opponent choice, again no spoilers, wink wink).
I believe most of the table was A-Okay with the land destruction. Thanks for your passionate response!
@@TheDankestDungeon I wasn't saying the decks are casual, they were all clearly well built. Especially the yargole?multani pulling off the dark ritual, into diabolic tutor?(can't remember, that or demonic) into a toxic deluge. That was legit my fave play of the game! I'm just saying some players were clearly making casual decisions and one was not.
Also, curious that wasn't your first game played and yet this is the one that got uploaded? Hard to believe that the other games were less interesting than 2 plays never doing anything... well, he omnath player did the one board wipe I guess.
Edit: didn't see the rest of your comment, my b.
Yeah, I figured the yargole player popped off in another game, hence the whole, "number 1 enemy" comment in the beginning of the video.
Ty for your response as well, I would love to see the other game if you guys upload it
@@TheDankestDungeonone of the guys had no lands for the entire rest of the game. Then got two and you blew them up again.
As a new viewer that stumbled on this gameplay to see the new commanders, it was not fun to watch or enjoyable with that MLD killing the game, since there wasn't a finisher when you did it. This is unfortunately why many dislike MLD. Not a gameplay that will intrigue me to subscribe.
He absolutely shouldn't have rolled the dice. Kill the gitrog player
Ngl the like unfun having is fun to watch, but man I'd hate to be in that game.
(Also fun to see as a newbie to commander, not too salt inducing yet)
I'm curious how you guys set out to build your decks when doing a brew like this where everyone picks a commander from a set. Is there any discussion about power level, combos, strategies etc? It seems like everyone goes pretty hard with the free spells, fast mana, stax etc. Is there anything off the table as far as what can be included in a deck? Is MLD something that is discussed ahead of time or was that a surprise to the table?
We typically don't have any restrictions other than whatever combos you may include should involve your commander in some way.
After this latest round of games though we're looking into breaking our games into different power level brackets and being up front with the audience at the beginning of the video so viewers know what they're getting into to avoid feels bads.
I've never been excited for a Commander to release only to have seen someone play it and become disgusted with a build immediately. Also never felt so bad for a mage with an Omnath as their commander.
Yeah in mine gonna continue on the “no mass land destruction in any of my decks”
plan other than that I do like the deck list
Jason not killing Matt with yargle because he wanted to attack a random opponent.... I mean c'mon, you've seen the deck, you know how it is going to end....
You had a guy that almost scooped early, and you're still oblivious to the damage land destruction has done
Well played by Thalia/Gitrog, brutal with the MLD and made the right plays to win. You should post another video tho, where the other players actually get to play magic and use their commanders lol. Every game I've watch with Omnath in it he never gets played due to oppressive opponents haha
Check out the rematch game we have posted with these commanders!
The issue with control/MLD decks is that when the odds turn to your favour, it just becomes unplayable for the opponents which IMO is less fun than a Mega Ramp Deck simply playing more than the other players. All in all it was a fair game, just reconsider posting games that didn't play very fun for most players, as it will translate to the viewers usually. Great work anyway!
Yeah Thalia is so oppressive...was hoping to see Omnath pop off. That land destruction feels bad.
ThaliRog drives some brutal tactics! I thought it was a really good build, though.
Happy that someone liked the deck! :)
MLD is a valid strategy. Matt played it incredibly well. Peoples feelings of MLD being "unfun" or "sad" is irrelevant. Great job, Matt.
I loved it… Land destruction is part of the game… the short made it more spectacular
The omnath player is so tilted. We've all been there
I really wanted omnath do omnath thing The guy that put ravages of warIs being slightly scummy with his deck strategy
Lmao how is it scummy? I'll be putting MLD in my Zask deck now just because of your comment so my opponents in the future will have you to thank for that lol.
@@MTGSavageIt wouldn't be his fault, it would just be a tantrum exposing that you like to play mass destruction of land. It doesn't seem strange to me that you like to play it with these types of comments.
@@KidsJavo2088 I have one deck with MLD Gishath, Sun's Avatar dinosaur tribal because dinosaurs stomp on your land and fuck your lands.
@@KidsJavo2088 cope
That thalia dexk is just mean bro
Wow land destruction is so fun and enjoyable that guy was bullied as a kid
I don’t know about being bullied as a kid, but he’s definitely being bullied as an adult in some of these comments.
why is the background so dark? I liked the previous room
Noted!
What a power play to blow up all lands at that stage of game
Look at all of you guys wit da fancy full art cards lol!
Locking decklists behind a paywall? Lol
Lol.
@@TheDankestDungeon cope
Cap.
That was just dumb, not attacking Thalog Player and taking him out. He always plays spite cards.
That “Gross” from the Gitrog player was “Gross”
anyone have a list for thst thalrog deck? i want to play it
Not taking out a player with mass land destruction and other shit like that when you can is always a mistake imo.
That was beautiful
While it was nice to roll for that first Yargle attack they really should have went after the Thalia/Gitrog. The only one with a board that was developed and was ready to pop off... I don't think it changes anything, but maybe makes the game go one more turn... EDIT Just remembered T&G has first strike/deathtouch sooo it really didn't matter at all lol
I would include root maze into the deck. Stax is now one of the harder archetypes to play imo due to flash speed and free spells. Good job lock the table. Not easy when taking on the whole table. If u didn't have Armageddon in there you should add it in for consistency. 4 turns geddon rotation with ouphre is the new break partial.
Dark background good! Loving the content.
Glad you're liking it :)
Honestly was hoping to watch a game showcasing these new commanders but it seem counter intuitive to see them shine when everyone's mana bases keep being destroyed. Maybe in the future if you're showing off commanders for a new set to get people excited and looking to brew their own decks you should avoid playing mass LD.
Yeaaaaah...wasn't expecting ThalRog to be that brutal. Don't get me wrong, I love it. Just did not even consider the land destruction route when it was first revealed but, hey, I am all for it!
We didn't expect it either, but makes perfect sense in hindsight! :)
Decklist for slimefoot and squee???
We post all our lists over on Patreon for our supporters there.
Please, where is Gitrogs deck list?
We post all our deck lists for our gracious supporters over on Patreon.
Gotta feel for the Omnath player. That was ROUGH.
Is there are deck list for that Thalia?
The salt from the ravages of war lol 😂!!!! This is why we play commander 😂😂😂😂💀
Haha, very salty indeed.
I despise land destruction more even than mill. I applaud the composure on the table though the body language spoke loudly. Facing a deck like that my sole purpose, win or lose, would be to damage the villain in every way possible.
nice game!
Thanks!
Super disappointing. Get to minute 5 land destruction. Not finishing the vid. Matt is 'that' one player at the table and least likable. Play with the other folks.
Honestly, i dont think the mass land destruction was that bad especially at a table at this power level
2 of the decks were borderline inactive. The power level clearly wasn't anywhere near similar. It's either that or the pilots just didn't deck build properly.
Is there a deck list for Thalia and the gitrog monster?
We post all of our deck lists over on Patreon for our supporters there.
That looked like 3 semi budget decks against a super deck lol
Sometimes that's just how it goes, other than Corbyn's budget deck the other three were all close price-wise.
This was the worst game I’ve ever watched, I woulda scooped it up the second he destroyed my first lands… what kind of an evil person does that
This is what I like
Gitrog player is a tryhard
MLD, it's only fun once until you become the archenemy and you realize you can't play it anymore
That land destruction was just overkill and make the game so boring to watch
As far as I see everyone had an attempt of winning (Seedborn, Yawrgmoth, Genesis Ultimatum) it just happened that he had the answer to every situation just in this case. IMO Yawgmorth player, Should've swung thalia instead of rolling a dice at random, and focusing him. The table was soft on the thalia player.
i really dont get why people get so bummed playing stax like this, its not like the only time you'll play commander in the year
Well. It was... a learning experience to see MLD... once, and I hope I never see that again in a video or on a table I play. It completely ruined the game for everyone but Thalia imo, also for us as the watchers.
That was brutal, I loved it. Do your own thing guys and let people play what they like. Plenty of channels around that adhere to all the 'social norms' of EDH. I like this channel for the more anything goes approach. Would like to see the graveyards on the screen though.
Happy you liked the video! I think we might start giving a warning at the beginning of the video for games that end up playing out like this so everyone knows what they're getting into beforehand.
Mld is always a feel bad kind of game. I feel the pain