Autistic Employment Challenges (autism and ADHD at work)

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  • @williamlindner3984
    @williamlindner3984 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +31

    Good summary ... I have dealt with this for years until I recognized the problem.. High functioning autistics also seem to attract narcissists among the neurotypicial like a magnet... Employment is like walking through a minefield for the autistic....

    • @ProudlyAutistic
      @ProudlyAutistic  19 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

      Yeah. Awareness definitely helps, but at least for me, it doesn't stop all the issues. My social challenges are a real problem. I agree that we attract narcissists everywhere we go. I've been a victim both professionally and romantically.

  • @melissa23347
    @melissa23347 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    I would love to hear a whole video on the last point - how to accommodate ourselves at work so that we don’t burnout or get let go.

    • @ProudlyAutistic
      @ProudlyAutistic  18 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

      I actually filmed a bit on this but had to cut it to stay on topic. I'll do another video that focuses on accomodations and considerations for picking the best workplace environment.

    • @melissa23347
      @melissa23347 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @ Thank you! Looking forward to it!

  • @Periwinkleton
    @Periwinkleton 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +11

    Relate a lot. Currently working at USPS, peak season working 10-12 hour days 6 days a week. Just started less than a month ago but getting better day by day. Had a good job previously but the harassment from management was too much. Head manager told me to "not share your opinion", though I asked him many times what that means, he just kept saying the same thing, "don't share your opinion". Keep in mind I've never talked to him much if at all but I was written up a lot for silly things (and/or completely made up). I eventually quit, and now I'm working primarily alone, although will have short conversations with people I'm delivering to and other carriers. I do tend to be on the quiet side, try not to speak much and don't conversate unless directly spoken to, just say hello or acknowledge people.

  • @confidentlocal8600
    @confidentlocal8600 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    I outperform my peers enough in certain ways enough to outweigh my issues. My attention to detail has earned me praise, but I do get lost in the weeds and struggle with perfectionism. I have been told that I'm blunt, but when I filter, I can barely get anything out. I'm always apologizing for interrupting because I can't time my entrances in conversations. I'm tense if other people are in the office with me, or even in the vicinity, because they are moving in my peripheral vision, or they smell, or I can hear them. It's exhausting.

  • @PatchworkDragon
    @PatchworkDragon 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +8

    Lack of filter and near-constant honesty can also get you in big trouble if you share information with the wrong person. I've worked in healthcare for over a decade and I still struggle with the secret-keeping aspect of the industry.
    Another thing (which might be an autism thing or just me) is perfectionism - I always try very best at every task I'm assigned to do. This can earn me the ire of my colleagues, who then think I'm trying to make them look bad. I can't help it if I get antsy when I sit around at work.

  • @ryandoherty6174
    @ryandoherty6174 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Great subject.
    My job problems are doing tasks to the maximum, and I'm not looking for praise or promotion.
    I insisted on finding out tomorrow's work before home time, then think it through all night, keeping myself awake too.
    Always felt taken advantage of by people in charge as they did!
    Left so many jobs now, at 43, I'm struggling with work and working!
    Thank you for making these videos. Your thumbnail picture is a bit cheeky! That means I like it.

  • @pikmin4743
    @pikmin4743 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +9

    this is me to the core! I tell myself to keep to myself and not say everything on my mind, but I usually let it all slip and its always to my detriment. especially when I was the new hire, and other people would complain to me about the workplace, but when I said anything critical I was written up or dinged in some way for it its infuriating

  • @nozhki-busha
    @nozhki-busha 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +21

    I struggled with many of these in my career. I have found that working remotely really helps to mitigate a lot of this. I honestly dont think I could ever return to an office based job ever again, had far too much abuse from coworkers in the past.

    • @ProudlyAutistic
      @ProudlyAutistic  19 วันที่ผ่านมา +10

      I actually had a section on this topic in this video and removed it. Remote work warrants it's own video so I'll cover it separately. I agree that working remotely is the answer for many of us. However, some career paths don't accommodate it. In other cases like mine (I'm an AuDHDer), we need the structure of an office environment. Me working from home fulltime is a bad idea. For me, the best case scenario is hybrid work, where I work in the office part time which keeps me accountable, but I also work from home 1-2 days a week, which gives me the autonomy I need and prevents burnout. It really is tricky. I'm glad you found a solution that works for you.

    • @alexandraswirski4087
      @alexandraswirski4087 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      Return to office has been the absolute worst. Realizing how helpful working from home is and then being forced back is awful, especially once you start realizing just how difficult office situations can be.

  • @black-sheep-me
    @black-sheep-me 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    Really good one, appreciate your effort. I have presented everything you described and sabotaged many jobs. Now I am going through a career change move starting from scratch again

    • @ProudlyAutistic
      @ProudlyAutistic  19 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      I'm sorry you need to start over. Yeah, my original career choice is a terrible one for autistic people. I've managed to branch out by being a "strategist" but it's very niche and hard to find work. I wish it wasn't so hard for us. Good luck in your endeavors!

  • @MVance-k9p
    @MVance-k9p 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Imagine the king and the wizard. The king commands a social hierarchy and relies on his power within it to survive. The wizard commands a system of knowledge and a set of skills. One is irrational and the other is rational in thinking. The king is stronger and lives well with a great wizard by his side. The wizard can have the resources he needs to live well and become the best he can be, if he works with the king. Each is weaker without the other. I think we should determine which one we are and how to make the best of it.

    • @ProudlyAutistic
      @ProudlyAutistic  19 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      In this analogy, I don't think we'll ever be king. We need to be clever instead.

    • @MVance-k9p
      @MVance-k9p 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      @ProudlyAutistic That's correct. I don't want to be king. I only want to be respected for who or what I am. If a "king" decides his wizard isn't good enough, it's the king's loss, not the wizard. I can just as easily choose which kingdom I'll support with my skills. Thanks for your work on these subjects. I'm realising now how many "wizards" actually exist.

  • @flerblomshonung
    @flerblomshonung 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Great video! I related to nearly everything. It's a struggle for sure!

  • @alexandraswirski4087
    @alexandraswirski4087 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Oh my goodness, I can relate to these so much. One I seem to really struggle with is how honest Im actually supposed to be. Like I understand that I should watch what I say around someone like the CEO but if anyone else asks me what I think or how I feel, I can accidently be too honest and get in trouble but then Ill also get in trouble for when Im shutting down and being too quiet. It can be so frustrating. 😭
    The other thing im currently struggling with is constant change. Not sure if you've encountered that or how to cope. Even though im AuDHD, my tolerance for change is much more on the autistic side than the ADHD oooh novelty side. The constant change in processes or how we do things is exhausting and so anxiety inducing.

  • @themekfrommars
    @themekfrommars 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    I know this now! Hence self-employment. And occasionally destroying client relationships...

    • @ProudlyAutistic
      @ProudlyAutistic  19 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      .... occasionally destroying client relationships 😆 I relate to this way too much. I struggled with self employment as I suck at business development. Unfortunately this means I need more traditional work.

  • @themekfrommars
    @themekfrommars 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +6

    Hey, This video resonates with me more than anything else I have seen on this topic i.e. Autism/work/innovation. I have worked for many top tier firms. Goldman, Deutsche, UBS, Deloitte, KPMG. I am a CFA. Not unlike your experience (I infer). And I was always the guy to come up with the way that did not exist to do the thing for which there was no precedent. Coding, Analytics, Dashboards, PowerPoints etc. I worked with an infinite number of people with zero technical skills who would ask me how come this is taking so long or my favourite was being kicked off a project in another country because I was asked to reconcile (that exact word) some numbers one afternoon, for the next morning. These came from a UK system and a US system and were supposed to be equivalent. Instead of returning with some made-up crap I worked until 4am and reported back the next morning with "it can't be done, it's a fruitless task. We need more information" I was angrily told "it is not a fruitless task" and sent home. I made it halfway to my hotel before being asked to return. I then sat in the client project sponsor's office, with the sponsor and my boss, and we proceeded to invent imaginary reasons that might explain how one set of numbers mapped to another. I could have come up with imaginary reasons on my own. But that's not what "reconcile" means! Now I have established my own handyman firm in Zurich, fully insured with growing feedback with goals of growing it to a full services company. I work literally all of the time. Money is tight. But no-one has fired me!

    • @ProudlyAutistic
      @ProudlyAutistic  19 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Yes, we seem to have similar backgrounds. I'm a management consultant, so like you, I get pulled in to solve the unsolvable. I would have been furious if they asked me to reconcile an issue only to be satisfied with hypotheticals. This difference in approach explains a lot of my challenges in the workplace though. One of my bosses used to remind me he's an "80% guy" when I aspired to do things perfectly. Another challenge with being labeled the "problem solver" is that we often don't have the support. So many times I'd be asked to do things, like build a dashboard, without the right tech. And then I'd be criticized for not meeting their goals. Very challenging. I tried going out on my own, but business development was too difficult. I'm holding on for dear life right now in a more traditional role. Good luck with your business!

  • @SuperGingerBickies
    @SuperGingerBickies 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Thank you for this video.
    All you have said in the video mirrors my complex paid employment record and my volunteering activities. I didn't know it was down to Autism/cPTSD/ADHD until my diagnosis. I say to my therapist that I loved being kept busy when I was working just so that I didn't have to be seen to sit around with nothing to do or be stuck on a task, which causes me anxiety because I have to ask for help and have it explained to me verbally which leaves me all the more stuck. I couldn't win.
    At two jobs that involved dealing with the public, it was like physical and mental torture. Their report about me was like a character assassination at one of those jobs.
    Now I'm chronically sick, on lots of medication that would make me drowsy, etc., still grieving.

    • @ProudlyAutistic
      @ProudlyAutistic  19 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      I'm so sorry your diagnosis came too late. Yeah, I can't deal with the public either. It's just bad. Thankfully my current role allows me to hide away in my office most days. I've found that cPTSD has been the most difficult of the three to learn to live with. Good luck on your journey, I hope it gets easier.

    • @SuperGingerBickies
      @SuperGingerBickies 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      @@ProudlyAutistic Thank you for reading my post. There have been many videos about autistic people and work, which are good in themselves, but yours resonated with my experience the most. God bless.

  • @LegendOfGene
    @LegendOfGene 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    You’re amazing for being able to do this and never miss !! You’re like the TH-cam version of Steph Curry. Never change Karen !

  • @edwardsong7628
    @edwardsong7628 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +4

    Nice video. I wish I could have seen this video two weeks ago before I got suspended from work, and will probably be fired. I thought I learned to recognize social hierarchies. I'm a substitute teacher, and decided to take a one day job (fourth time this school year) at a special education school. Being a substitute teacher, I decided to defer to permanent teachers when making decisions. I thought I was doing well, until I got a call from my employer that the school filed a complaint against me. By always waiting for orders and not acting without orders, I now seemed incompetent. This combined with my autistic traits annoying the staff has probably resulted in receiving my last check in my work career (I'm 63, and I doubt I'll ever work again if I'm terminated). Note: over the years I noticed that taking a fourth day at a particular job in a short period of time is risky. For some reason, the fourth day is when tensions blow up or I'm asked not to take that job again. Unfortunately, I accidentally violated my self-made rule, and this time, I'm not just being asked not to go to that particular school, but being completely terminated as a substitute teacher.

    • @ProudlyAutistic
      @ProudlyAutistic  19 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      I'm so sorry. Honestly, I would have probably done the same thing. It sounds like a "then" issue, but when you're autistic, it's so easy to just blame us. I hope you can find other opportunities elsewhere.

  • @tamarahoward6409
    @tamarahoward6409 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    1:46 as a fellow autistic woman, and also an Alaskan Native, you misspoke when you said lower on the totem pole, that is actually not seen that way in my culture, strongest part of the totem pole, the highest is the weakest, meaning the tree is stronger at the roots that the top that has no other support than the roots/trunk supples.

    • @ProudlyAutistic
      @ProudlyAutistic  8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Thank you for this clarification. I didn't know.

  • @stareng100
    @stareng100 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Thank you for this video. I have experienced all the things you have mentioned. Through the years, I basically feel like a temp employee and I am often correct. It basically means I can’t navigate climbing the corporate ladder. This is fine. I just wish I knew this sooner.

    • @ProudlyAutistic
      @ProudlyAutistic  8 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I'm in a similar spot. What's hard is knowing you're skilled in some areas to advance, but that the social stuff will always hold you back. It's hard for me anyways...

  • @autisticMargo
    @autisticMargo 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Great topic and excellent video, thanks

  • @nonsequitor
    @nonsequitor 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    Mate, this is so on point and timely 💪🙏
    Btw, have you ever run into problems with an undiagnosed Autistic boss and the trainwreck that causes practically and morally? It's not a subject I've ever seen discussed but if one is working in low paid poorly respected sectors like charities cough cough yeah.... gonna happen

    • @ProudlyAutistic
      @ProudlyAutistic  8 วันที่ผ่านมา

      I haven't had an autistic boss but I have had an autistic coworker who was management. He was fired in his 90 day probationary period. A little too opinionated for leadership, kind of a "I don't care what you say, I'll do what I want" attitude. That and he lacked the social skills to do business development, which is necessary for management in my field.

  • @O-Demi
    @O-Demi 10 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    In spring 2024 I found myself at the top of the list when they decided it was time to cut down on staff, and it was a wake-up call as to how disposable I was viewed at work, and it felt really degrading. In the end they couldn't fire me because of the type of contract I have, but now I don't feel any good feelings towards my company or my boss, I'm just here to earn my money and do the thing that I love (my job is my special interest).

    • @ProudlyAutistic
      @ProudlyAutistic  9 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      I went through something similar at my last job. It was very hurtful. It may be good to shop your resume, see if you can get any bites. Depends on your industry of course.

    • @O-Demi
      @O-Demi 6 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@ProudlyAutistic Thank you for your kind advice!

  • @SimoneEppler
    @SimoneEppler 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Basically, we need to mask to fit in the work environment? I don’t know if that should be the goal. I think it starts with looking for a career that suits our needs better, if possible.

    • @ProudlyAutistic
      @ProudlyAutistic  10 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      I generally agree. However, many of us are so deep into our career when we realize that we're autistic that shifting fields isn't always realistic. Ideally, yes, we can find an employer where we can be transparent. They can be few and far between though.

    • @SimoneEppler
      @SimoneEppler 10 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @ProudlyAutistic Yeah, you are right, it's not realistic for many. Unfortunately 😕

  • @CheeseCake5990
    @CheeseCake5990 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    This gives a lot of clarity. Thank you!

  • @Hermitthecog
    @Hermitthecog 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +7

    Neurotypical pettiness ought to be added to the "nonsensical social norms" category, as so much of corporate work culture amounts to little more than a neglected melting pot of personal foibles and idle gossip. Masking is one thing but ethical contortion shouldn't be required in anybody's job description.

  • @adonaiel-rohi2460
    @adonaiel-rohi2460 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

    The art of Manipulation is a life skill

    • @ProudlyAutistic
      @ProudlyAutistic  19 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

      Yup...

    • @adonaiel-rohi2460
      @adonaiel-rohi2460 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +5

      @ the world was conquered and dominated by narcissistic conquerors. Makes sense. Dark triad is prevalent in the highly successful.
      Don’t lose yourself but prioritize your interests. Do nothing unnecessarily.

  • @KellyRVaden
    @KellyRVaden 12 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Yet my filterless, ADHD, narcissist (former) boss can get away with practically anything. She can say anything in the name of "transparency" and is an HR nightmare, but I was the problem.

    • @ProudlyAutistic
      @ProudlyAutistic  10 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      I'm sorry. Yup, we're often the scapegoat.

  • @pauldugas1188
    @pauldugas1188 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    well said. easily seen in hindsight now that i am laid off.

    • @ProudlyAutistic
      @ProudlyAutistic  18 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Sorry about your job 😞

    • @pauldugas1188
      @pauldugas1188 18 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      @ProudlyAutistic wasn't your fault. (My tistic goto reply)

  • @malcolmkinnon8436
    @malcolmkinnon8436 17 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Really great video
    Have encountered most of this in my work place.

  • @rebeccachapman1231
    @rebeccachapman1231 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Intellectually I know all of these things and the various strategies. Actually persisting in carrying them out and enduring for the long term is a whole different matter. It is so exhausting and ultimately breaks me again and again and again, even if I mask so much that no one knows the true extent but me.

    • @ProudlyAutistic
      @ProudlyAutistic  15 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Yes! It all seems so obvious, yet we do these things anyway. The issue, often, is our environment and other's expectations, not us. It can feel like an impossible battle for sure.

  • @stevencito1000
    @stevencito1000 5 วันที่ผ่านมา

    Funny those cactusses in the background, talking about workplaceperception😊

    • @ProudlyAutistic
      @ProudlyAutistic  5 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Lol, I hadn't thought about it that way 😆

  • @Erik-the-Southern-Viking
    @Erik-the-Southern-Viking 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    You've Covered All the Bases - Excellent Video I have been Bullied, Laid-off & Fired for all of the above! I have one rhetorical question: 'Why was my So-called Manager not able to recognise that I was Special/Different/Needed Protection' from the Neurotypicals..??

    • @ProudlyAutistic
      @ProudlyAutistic  15 วันที่ผ่านมา

      To answer your question, they may have realized that you're different. Unfortunately, our differences are often characterized as quirky or "difficult" rather than signs of disability. Also, I have found that even when I disclose, the expectation is that I should be able to conform. There is zero expectation on their side that the effort is mutual.

  • @harrietwindebank6051
    @harrietwindebank6051 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    I don’t get all the contradictions. Companies would make way more money without hierarchy or cliques and yet these things seem to be prioritised over making money.
    But then if you explain that the reason your project is late is because you has to to go through a hierarchy to get the information you need or a clique you weren’t part of refused to help you then you get blamed.

  • @adonaiel-rohi2460
    @adonaiel-rohi2460 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +3

    Study Machiavellian books and shows

  • @aaacomp1
    @aaacomp1 19 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    First

  • @ana00100
    @ana00100 15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

    What sick, macchiavellist game modern work has become..

    • @ProudlyAutistic
      @ProudlyAutistic  15 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      Yup.... I hope we can change it.... someday....