Sandy's Florida thoughts are a hoot. After 50+ years of 750 people per day net inmigration, the moniker of Elephant Graveyard has proven quite true. Still, warm sands, salsa, Latin beats and rising seas always provide entertainment until the last rays of light.
Not heard of the lightning capacitor idea in a while. When I was an undergrad Chem major in the early 90's one of my professors was experimenting with that. Would talk about a future where a capacitor was placed in the ground, then filled from a storm and the house built on top of it. The idea would be the house would be powered for the rest of its useful life by the capacitor.
The real challenge is to get this tech to market at a pricepoint that makes it feasible. A prototype with no cost limitations is much easier to put out, but building these at scale at a price people can afford is going to be the real challenge even if they’ve solved the temperature and charging issues.
It's a fully functional prototype which they have been actively using for a year. It's impressive for sure but the real innovations in terms of battery tech will always come down to $/kWh. I'm pretty sure this is not going to be especially exciting in that respect. Tesla still leads vastly in that respect where they'll be able to produce cells at $60-65/kWh on a cell level in 2025. That will allow EV costs to go down and eventually produce $20,000-$30,000 cars with 40-50kWh.
I went to an auto show in 1992 and saw a prototype Jeep Cherokee with the low headlights across the front edge of the hood, almost exactly like the 2021 has...
By the time Toyota "Gets it right" ... Tesla, BYD, NIO, Xpeng and even Hyundai and VW will have eaten their lunch. Tesla didn't launch with the Model Y, which is now outselling the Rav4 in China even though it's $20K more! They launched with the $150K Roadster, then they developed the $80K Model S, named Car of the Year by Multiple car magazines. Then they developed the Model 3, the first Electric car truly developed for the Middle Class and finally they have their masterpiece the Model Y, which WILL become the best selling car in the world. Now that Giga-TX is open I'm guessing they will be making a single motor LFP powered version that they will be able to lease for around $400.00 a month and when that happens, they will literally sell EVERY car they can possibly make for YEARS to come.
There is one thing to remember about lightning, which almost nobody ever mentions: It's effectively an alternating current. The strikes go up to the sky, and down from the sky, repeatedly until an approximate equalisation is achieved. If you're planning to use a lightning storage device then you need some pretty robust rectifiers, in addition to a very tough capacitor bank, to handle the huge currents and voltages. P.S. Biscotti are very fattening. Sandy is clearly deprived of them, because he's so thin! 😉
"pioneer, settler, beaver"...killer analogy of how things work, and applying this sagely observation to cylindrical batteries ending by solid state transformation timeline.
EFE, thank you for the great Sandy Munro interviews, since he is unbiased, we don't need to wade through endless commercials, nor propaganda, neither showroom prototypes. It's what works best that counts, and that is what the average guy spends the most time researching (a lifetime endeavor)....
@@delusion2987 The host is literally paid by Volkswagen, and Scotty Kilmer is an ICE mechanic. At least with Sandy's "pro-Tesla bias," he can show in his tear-down videos why he thinks Tesla's engineering is superior in many areas. BTW, Sandy also worked for Ford and has a pension he'd like to collect, so he has comparable motivation to be biased in favor of Ford.
@@delusion2987 Agreed, we should keep any expert or commentator's biases in mind and listen critically, but that includes potential biases against Tesla as well as for Tesla.
@@delusion2987 Makes perfect sense bro. He criticizes any other EV company because their functions arent like Tesla. He did this with ID.4. What does he expect? To be all the same?
Thanks for the conversation. Solid state looks to be 10 years out for the reasons that Sandy enumerated. 50 years from now, the future will be unrecognizable. 100 years an alternate universe. There maybe a stop gap chemical battery to replace Li-Ion prior to solid state. And Sandy, I am a retired auto engineer in Florida, and if you want the fountain of youth, its a 2000 watt e-bike with Tesla battery cells of course. 😁
Comment section is full of nonsense. Tesla IS about 5-8 years ahead in battery technology. Ask any engineer! Problem with batteries is obvious: reliability, durability ect…. Toyota isn’t about to release a global product that hasnt been longitudinally tested. Cheap, easy to source ( no rare material from China or the Middle East), fairly reliable batteries is the future. Let’s hope toyota is on the right path.
All the tests Sandy Munro is talking about in this film have been dealt with... ProLogium invented its solid state battery 8 years ago. At that time, Mercedes invested millions to help build the factory currently in Taiwan.
The car in front was always a Toyota - that was the add slogan I remember as a kid. They have for many years produced some of the best cars on the road and so having a 100 year plan sounds absolutely legitimate. I think perhaps they were the first to introduce hybrids and established that market. Now EV's are the future and so no doubt part of that 100 year plan will incorporate a timeline for the work necessary on testing and scaling up Solid state batteries. It's rare for Toyota to make such an announcement, I think, without having worked out scaling up and production issues. So I do look forward to seeing this new kind of battery technology in a working EV within the next five years at the least. Pansasonic working with both Toyota and Tesla - sounds like Panasonic is the best place to put your money in.
Toyota have been known to work on Solid State for over a long time. It will take the years still to get to market ready production. And their ramp up would be to 180-200 GWh in 2030. That's less than VW goal of 240 GWh, and would only supply about 3 million EVs. In 2030. If their plans work out.
By 2030 where will Tesla be? They are not slowing down, in fact they are getting into other things which will all accelerate, like Megapack production and installation with Autobidder, now robots using their AI expertise, and don’t forget Dojo and its application once in full operation next year.
Exactly , Toyota have over 1000 patents on solid state batteries, Sandy worked for Ford in the oast and him not being invited to Toyota major press event or factory nor be shown around by Toyota means nothing and very telling, Sandy is not the ultimate authority of battery tech. So when he puts Toyota behind Quantumscape it's very subjective view from the outside, the fact is, no one knows. This channel is obviously sponsored by VW and we all know VW is the standard bearer for truth and honesty right..
@Arman Shahbaz If that is the case then, i would put Toyota ahead, Toyota would never jeopardise their position as a public traded company and a trusted brand by lying how quantumscape is. I personally think Toyota are further ahead by what we are lead to believe and they have something uo their sleeves.
Hi Alex 👍, I had a M3 SR+ with a Panaconic 55 battery for six months - it was a disaster☹️, I sold it in June and immediately bought it with an LFP 55 - I had nothing better so far. Great battery, great car. This is my personal opinion, I'm not an expert, but I think the point in 4680 is getting smaller and smaller every day. Best from Germany .
I enjoy your channel very much. Thanks for all the electric car news. Also do you have any content where Sandy talks about how he got started in cars, where he went to school and how you might learn to do what he does?
Toyota's solid state cells are literally made by hand and with a sputtering machine. They are 10 years away from production at this rate, and even if they massively accelerate, they are not close to producing a volume big enough for 1million cars, let alone 20million plus.
A very interesting conversation. The timeline to solid state production sounds right considering the actual thing does not exist yet. But, if it works it will power the future... unless capacitors make a breakthrough.
Very good point we are all forgetting Ellon has a belief capacitors have a potential and has been very silent on it, it would not surprise me if the cyber truck ends up with a flux capacitor prototype fitted .
The whole “capacitor that can replace a battery” promise violated laws of physics regarding how much electric charge can be concentrated in a given amount of space, so it’s not coming soon…it was either a scam or wishful thinking. Chemical storage (batteries) will always have a significant advantage over capacitors when it comes to capacity and weight, because of the fundamental limits on capacitors.
@@brunoheggli2888 That's so? What did he say that was inaccurate? I too an an automotive engineer. Why don't you provide your counterpoint to what he is saying versus an ad hominem attack? No Bruno, you are the clown.
Major distinction between conventional welded (anode tab, Panasonic) and multi (anode flaps, Tesla). Tab - is an internal electrical lead either spot weld or cold weld to a spot on the Cu anode. It employs (an elastomer) to maintain a constant preload force is required to 1) minimize electrical impedance across anode and cell wall. 2) eliminate chance to open circuit and consequently internal electrical spark upon inertial shock induced on road. Flaps (tab less architecture) - was intended to eliminate a conventional welded tab and in that process defeated 1) low electrical impedance. 2) spark suppression 3) low thermal impedance Panasonic and other major cell manufacturers came up with a solution - preloaded welded tab - good to lower impedance and suppress internal spark just to be eliminated by Tesla for its tab less architecture.
This is a fishing trip video, as long as neither you nor Sandy Munro know exactly what Toyota actually has hidden from the public. I agree with Sandy that all this is just a speculation, and you are discussing hear say. Quite a pointless video, but Sandy is always nice to see.
Absolutelly correct, Top leader Toyoda was criticizing Japanese government heavily this week for banning ice from 2025, and putting more than 8 million jobs i Japan at risk. He said technology simply isn’t there yet to ban ice.
Sandy used to work for Ford, big deal, he doesnlt work for toyota, has he been invited by Toyota to look at their stuff in detail. he's giving his subjective opinion from the outside only.
This is old hat. I was working on recharging from lightning back in the 80s. Got one really good hit late one stormy night and I can tell you that from the moment i woke up the day after I have had no desire whatsoever to go for another charge.
QuantumScape will be a leader in ssb technology. With JB Straubel and Celina Mikolajczak on the team, production challenges will be addressed. Fire safety, fast charge and energy density problems are solved with QS battery development.
Just realised something about the Toyota tech. They aim for 180-200 GWh in 2030 (~3 million EVs with average 60 kWh battery). The fact that they're aiming for this low number by 2030 means that the technology definitely isn't close to market, nor that it is extremely disruptive before that time.
There is a video about these batteries on The Limiting Factor. These new batteries are neither solid state as the cathode is a gel, nor are they anodeless as every battery must have an anode and their's is made of copper. Unfortunately all the benefits of a solid seperator are lost because of the gel cathode. The great thing about these batteries is that without the carbon or graphite matrix at the anode, lithium metal can plate directly onto the anode with a potential energy density increase up to6x what can be achieved with current LI technology. If things go as planned, however, these cells will not be introduced until 2024 at roughly comperable energy density to what Tesla will already be producing by that time and at about twice the cost. Further development may realize much greater energy density by 2030, but these new batteries won't be powering any BEVs any time soon.
@@scottwills4698 Thank-you for pointing that out. The fact is that Toyota is keeping the details of their solid state battery confidential. Sandy also mentioned a company called Solid Power. I haven't seen any details about their developments either, but they claim that they are ready to go to mass production.
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Current cars lined up for production will use 2170, 4680, pouch batteries, etc. The next generation will probably move forward to whatever new batteries are developed.
You make good quality videos man. and your info and personality is top-notch! I been watched this video but can't believe I left without liking it! I apologize for that!
@@FactsAboutTheWorld., a lot of Tesla's battery research is going on outside of the walls of Tesla. There are several prominent researchers that are working exclusively for Tesla and funded by Tesla. Your friends working on 4680 wouldn't know about this unless they are VERY high up. Hence the "secret team." We are talking about stuff that would only exist in a laboratory and is still years away from commercialization.
@@FactsAboutTheWorld. Duh, because tesla evaluated all outside battery tech and no one has showed them anything with promise, except maxwell. They bought maxwell pretty quickly. You trolls keep forgetting that tesla will just buy anything that has value and put it into production faster than anyone else. For that reason, everyone wants to sell their tech to tesla over other companies. Just look at how the oil companies bought previous patents and purposely did nothing with them. People can make more money selling to someone who is actually going to make a product out of the technology. The speed at which that product can get to market is going to dictate how much money.
The announcement is not surprising, Toyota had announced, in 2018? that they would present the solid state battery car in the inauguration of the 2020 Olympics… which didn’t happen despite the one year delay due to some global event. It has been and still is, many years of hype.
YEs, yes yes! Not only Toyota, but LG and others are working hard on Solid State batteries. To all of you in the comments who dismisses solid state batteries: At one point you'll be wrong and you'll be exhilarated to be wrong. Solid silicon anode working at room temperature in a solid state battery. This opens the door for 500Wh/kg. Even cheaper city EVs will have a range around 400 miles, at which point there will be no convenience loss when getting an EV, so the world needs this. And thank you for the evolution of this channel from a "Look and feel" ev content channel, into an industry/future recap news channel! LOL, Lightning in a bottle: A super capacitor EV charged by a lightning rod, like in back to the future! The energy in a single lightning bolt is around 45 kWh, so some EVs will need a few strikes to get to 100%!
I've come to simply not believe ANYONE who claims to have a solid-state battery, or solid state battery breakthrough anymore. The only people who talk about it, or brag about making breakthroughs are those who are lagging in the shift to EVs who have reason to want to convince investors that they're totally going to come out of nowhere to dominate the EV market in the future. Fisker for example bragged about having a major solid state battery breakthrough, and hyped it up a bunch, only to quietly decide to completely abandon solid-state batteries a few months later. Their explanation being that the first 80% of a solid-state battery is really easy, but the last 20% is really really hard to next to impossible with today's technology. The time I'll believe a company's claims on solid-state batteries is when they're in a production vehicle that I can buy today.
Depending upon the definition of "solid state", the technology widely varies. I'm sure Toyota will introduce a new 3 letter acronym to differentiate its emerging product. Solid state batteries still represent a safety risk in certain scenarios - that much energy density will always carry risks.
I have no idea what Sandy is on about. Toyota is saying the BZ4X is coming out next year, (this year in Asia) it will use CATL and BYD batteries, they will be blade and or some other next gen tech that will compete directly with Teslas 4680s. Toyota will have theirs out before Tesla. Toyota is claiming their solid state batteries will be ready in 2025 2026, the 4680s are not even on the same level as Toyotas planned solid state tech, which Tesla is no where near achieving anything close to what Toyota has in that area. 4680s will compete with the next gen CATL and BYD blade batts, not solid state. Also Toyota is partnering with Panasonic BYD and CATL, using batteries technically as advanced or more advanced than the 4680s. This idea that Tesla is 5 to 10 years ahead of everyone is so debunked its not even funny. Tesla admitted they have not figured out how to make 4680s yet, meanwhile CATL BYD advanced batteries and blade batteries will be in the BZ toyotas which start coming out THIS YEAR in China and Japan. Even GMs Ultium is on par with 4680s, Ultium will be out late 2021 as well. Tesla is only ahead in having a successful all EV line up, NOT in battery tech, NOT in manufacturing for sure, and NOT in quality.
The only "Solid State" that Toyota is bringing to the market outside of a billion dollar one off prototype is how to Solidly affix a Toyota emblem to someone else's product. This has been thier MO for the past 2 decades. I remember when they got everybody hot and heavy about the game changing new supra. Then they released a Rebadged BMW. Profitability and consumer optics has become way more important to Toyota than innovation.
I had a Toyota supra Twin Turbo AUTOMATIC - it was the worst car I have ever owned in my life... God I WISH BMW had made it... The kickdown on the gearbox was set to drop 2 gears at the exact moment the turbo's kicked in - so the back end spun out dangerously every time you tried to accelerate. I had it in to Toyota like 5 times thinking it was broken. made no difference. Finally met a guy who had the same car and he said they are all like this.
@@mikeb1039 tell me where I can buy one? Toyota is just blowing smoke up your ass. A one off prototype that they spent 1 billion to build is way different than something you can buy.
Also, in the 1990s and 2000s, GM happily put their badge on plenty of Toyota products. Its kind of an industry wide thing... (Ford-Mazda) (Dodge-Mitsubishi)
It's a toss-up which will hit the market first -- the solid-state battery, or the 100-mpg carburetor. As of 2012, the estimated cost to build an EV-sized solid-state battery pack was $100 million.
Thanks. By the way, "Biscotti" is already plural. It means "More than one biscotto"; you don't need to add the English plural, you don't have to. Just read the jag, it says "Biscotti". But all we know how the "Americans" are messed up with languages other than their own "American".
Florida ain't so bad. No tax on pensions and no income tax for two reasons. No snow, no ice, and rarely gets below freezing. Live near the coasts and get fresh seafood. No fucking vaxx mandates and a governor who stands up to the madness in the District of Corruption. Hurricanes come once in a while to the north of the state and more often to the tropical regions in the south, but they don't phase the natives. Jacksonville has only been hit with 3 in 100 years. Most follow the Gulfstream up to N. Carolina and the Middle Atlantic States. I used to live in Joisey where the property and insurance taxes are highest in the country. Eff that. I got a half million dollar home and pay about $2500 in property tax. C'mon down, Sandy. There IS life after retirement.
Electric storage as solid state batteries or Caps is probably the next step but that is not the end game. Think about how satellites and planet landers are powered - Nuclear power packs. Some interesting work on Diamond - Nuclear batteries underway at Bristol University but of course this is a start, proof of concept.. The world has plenty of radio active materials to recycle and make use of in the future..
Toyota has long been my favorite automaker simply because of the reliability of their vehicles. Unfortunately they seem to really be behind with BEVs in terms of a sellable product. I find myself in a spot where I need to replace our aging Prius (or spend a chunk of money replacing the hybrid battery pack, and probably do tires, sparks, brakes again). As much as we would've been happy to stay with Toyota, they just don't have anything available in our timeline, it would seem. Glad they're at least working on tomorrow though.
Toyota is in a way low-tech, like Honda is low-tech (as recently as 2008, while Honda was equipping their cars with obsolete and inefficient SOHC engines, even Korean name plates like Hyundai were running DOHC engines in all their cars). And in comparison to the almighty Tesla, Toyota is very much on the stone age as far as technology and sophistication is concerned. Sure, your Camry may be a reliable car (then again, list one brand that makes a car that will leave you stranded. In the 21st Century they just don't exist. In 1985, sure, but not within the past 20 years. ALL automakers got with the program), but what value is there in being a tad more reliable than the least reliable brand when your car is a rolling bucket of 20th Century bolts, like your typical Toyota?
@@glennbartusch7310 I think reliability today depends on the age and mileage; I don't think most vehicles break down anymore when relatively new. Our Prius is 16 years old and has well over 300k miles. I don't know exactly because the odometer stops as 299,999 lol. It has needed nothing other than a rotor and of course oil changes, spark plug (only once lol), and tires. Our Sienna is also 16 years old (bought used ten years ago). I changed the transmission fluid once. The rockers panels are looking grim (Toyotas corrosion issues have been a point of criticism by many especially in their pickups). I don't disagree that the tech isn't anywhere close to some of your examples, but most automakers aren't cranking out vehicles that just keep trucking after so many miles and years without needing some major love. I wouldn't say I beat my cars up but I'm also not banging these things. If nothing else, it's testament that the simpler you keep something, the less problems you are likely to have to deal with down the road.
Yes, Toyota makes great ICE cars, I still have two of them but the old reliable van will be replaced by a model Y in the next couple of years. I’ll keep my ‘88 Toyota SR5 pickup for a few more years. Meanwhile my main car is a ‘20 Tesla MS LR+, greatest thing I’ve ever driven, just great fun and the software updates keep making it better and better, amazing. But ICE is going obsolete, EV is the future, Tesla is currently the leader in overall EV tech, from software to batteries to FSD neural network to SC global network, it will be hard to catch-up let alone surpass Tesla. Interesting times, but my money is on TSLA.
Chris Fix has a video on changing the battery in a Prius. If I had known my sister was trading in her(she lives 2,000 miles away)10 year old, for next to nothing, on a new Prius I would have bought it and tried my hand @ a battery change. Good luck on what ever you decide.
@@theknifedude1881 I've actually changed the battery (one to two cells at a time) three times now. The reality is, it's not a permanent fix, even with a "rebuilt" pack, because the rebuilt pack is cobbled together from a bunch of old cells as well. You really need to replace it with a new battery if you want real longevity, which is around $4k from Toyota (if they're willing to sell to you, some dealers aren't) or an aftermarket for around $2500, which comes with its own warranty risks. I can almost do the swap with my eyes closed now, the problem being that it's effectively whack a mole each time. It has gotten to a point that I don't think I'm willing to drop $4k on the car, which is far more than the car itself is worth, just to keep it on the road, and while used battery cells are super cheap ($25 a pop), I'm not sure I want to rip everything out every 6-12 months in perpetuity. Right now I get a battery error every 500 miles or so. I just reset the error codes and keep on rolling. This all started (again) around four months ago. Sure enough, reading the codes, it's a confirmed older cell, one original to the car, that went bad. I'm sure at some point it's going to tell me, "no more", but until that day, or until I can replace it with another vehicle, I'll likely run it as is hahaha.
I sure believe that Toyota / Toyoda won't just make random baseless claims. They're been expecting to have something ready for (presumably limited) production in 2025 with a solid state battery. I want NO EV with a large battery that can violently explode and also burn VERY violently and be very hard to put out near my house all the time. I would like a BEV with Toyota quality. So I'm very interested in waiting and finding out how solid state goes.
Enjoyed the discussions, but would have liked to have had an understanding of what are going to be the capabilities of the Solid State batteries at the start of the video
That car in the thumbnail looks like a tC and I'm glad to see a mock-up. Shuttering Scion was a bad move for toyo, but I'm glad most of their cars were retained elsewhere instesd of just killing all the projects. An electric tC just feels right as well. FR-S and tC seem like perfect candidatws toyo to break the scene with a new segment: electric tuners
Apparently Toyota and Honda have stated that they will be producing the majority of their cars with IC engines even beyond 2030. Maybe they will pull a rabbit out of their hats?
Lol. He always was! He’s become a celeb among Tesla fanboys but serious skeptical minds have debunked him many times. Sad people take him seriously regardless of what one is a fan of. It’s a very fake world….
There is generally always a point when new tech is more expensive and performs worse then existing technology. The inflection point will be when solid state on a dollar per KWh basis becomes similar to the 4680 cell. I don't think that charging speed will ever be a determining factor since at some point it will no longer be the battery cell that is the limiting factor in how fast we can charge the vehicle. Unless you can build out an infrastructure of ultrafast charging stations and the batteries can consistently charge at the uber quick rate without additional strain, it really won't add that much value to the consumer. Power density will also only be an important factor in segments such as exotics, semis and VTOLs at least until solid state can achieve price parity with other available batteries. This is all even assuming that the solid state batteries are viable in a consumer product and can be produced at scale.
@@sebastiangeorge7714 A tesla can charge as fast as 200 miles in around 18 min. That's REALLY close. .... Plug in, take a dump ... come back and you've got another 200 miles. I think I can live with that.
@@sebastiangeorge7714 Prices are through the roof because the demand is insane. If you try to order ANY of Tesla's cars right now, you have an absolute minimum wait time of 3 to 12 months and that's with Tesla constantly doubling production every year.
So many Tesla fan boys being triggered here. So much for ‘legacy’ automakers being defunct huh? What legacy really means is …. Cash, expertise, factories, customer base …. Relax guys. There are plenty of fish in this pond, Tesla is one Toyota is another … chill out!
Really appreciate your interview with Sandy and EV news. Looking forward to your bubblegum-money-making videos growing into oreo-money-making videos. XD
So I saw a Lucid southbound on 99 south of Grantline overpass. It was dirty and had pasted up window tint and a Calif mfr plate. Was that you Alex, getting a press car?
Bottomline: Tesla is years ahead, 2-3 in some sectors, 4-10 years in other sectors and Tesla is not slowing down. What happened to all of the ‘Tesla Killers’?
How do you know that Tesla is ahead when you are privvy to what others are doing in their R&D. Musk says something and you all believe. Everything he promises takes 6-7years longer than original estimates. Where's the Tesla truck in production? The other auto manufacturers are gaining ground. They already know how things like doors and body molding s work. They also already know how to paint the entire vehicle properly. Tesla is mostly hype. They have poor service support and their product is supported only by government mandates. Without the mandates Tesla would be out of money. The carbon credits they sell to other manufacturers is their profit margin.
@@rm5282 - Check out the Sandy Munro video where he gives these estimates on several sectors on how far ahead Tesla is in the EV game. If anyone knows it would be Sandy. You do know who he is right?
@@rm5282 - You are so grossly misinformed on Tesla it’s hilarious. Btw, I’m an old senior, been driving for over 60 yrs, used to be a hot rodder in my youth. These days I drive a ‘20 Tesla model S, greatest car I’ve ever driven, acceleration is unreal, software updates about every 3-4 weeks increases functionality. When I first got the car in Feb ‘20 it had an EPA range of about 372 miles, after about 3 months one of the updates increased that to low 390s, then a month or two later another update increased it again to the current 402 miles. My car gets better with time, does yours? Love my EV hot rod.
@@Chainyanker007 never heard of him but I will check out the video you mentioned. I am not a big EV guy. I know it is a part of the future but we have long way to go to reduce the total carbon impact to the planet.
I don't know, nor does anyone else, if Solid State Batteries are a viable technology in the next 3-4 years. However, it is great that companies like QuantumScape, Toyota, SolidPower, etc are TRYING to advance the tech. It would be great for the whole industry if Solid State Batteries do become the replacement for 4680s. Can you imagine if SSB charge faster than 4680's, and have a longer range for about the same cost? Quite frankly, we might need SSB to make a $30,000 EV with decent range possible.
Older batteries won't necessarily disappear, that's a function of cost, if the older batteries for example become even cheaper... they will still find a market... just like the majority of e-bikes run on lead acid, because it's so much cheaper then lithium-ion and it does the job...
Without solid state I doubt BEVs will be able to come close to replacing ICE cars, at least in the U.S. keep our fingers crossed for Toyota, Solid Power, VW etc.
This is factually incorrect, prices for lithium batteries are still steadily decreasing, as right now Tesla has a battery that is roughly 80 USD per kilowatt, but they plan to get that down to 50 dollars a kilowatt, so that means that Tesla could get prices 1/3 lower than a competitive ICE car.
@@HarrisonAdAstra Supply and demand suggests that prices for these materials will actually go up because now everybody is building electric cars. And that is exactly what is happening, Teslas are more expensive now than they were two years ago.
@@thomas735 the reason they are more expensive now than two years ago is because 1. They can’t make enough cars, wether that be because of demand or they just don’t have enough materials 2. Inflation, just look it up. 3. Lithium is the most common “rare” earth material, you may as well cut out the “rare”. Your argument is that Tesla will run out of battery’s because there is just so many EVs, good thing Tesla basically owns a lithium mining company (they only gather lithium for Tesla and are quite loyal) and they make there own batteries, this pint is something I would expect from a deranged elder who thinks 5G towers cause cancer.
@@HarrisonAdAstra No matter how much Tesla fan boys try, you can’t rewrite the rules of economics. The reality is tesla has a problem with demand. Not only that but their stock is a huge bubble on the verge of popping. Don’t get me wrong they have world-class software, and a pretty good charging at work.
@@thomas735 wait, so your saying that to prove Tesla has no demand there orders are pushed back to next year? I would really like to have a look at this fatally flawed argument.
I'm predicting that the first solid state battery car frion Toyota will be a plug-in hybrid, due to high cost and limited production of that new battery type. Toyota won't get serious about BEVs until they fall behind Tesla, Nissan, BYD, Vokswagen, GM, Ford, Hyundai, BMW, Mercedes, etc.
No EV automaker can succeed for the mainstream long term when battery costs are so great. Should there be no technology that is less costly than current batteries, then future personal transportation vehicles could only be for relatively wealthy persons. Toyota is the everyman's vehicle manufacturer. For now, Tesla can target a different market but with growing demand for the existing chemical batteries, fueled by government regulations, the EV manufacturing costs could rise rather than fall. Toyota in keeping the hybrid option is wise, they are good at building those and Toyota customers like them. Fifteen years ago many made jokes about Prius owners, some still do, but Toyota hybrids have won the respect of consumers. Lets see some bigger solid state batteries for future truck hybrids.
At this point, I think the car manufacturers should just surprise us with solid state EV I think they should hold a news conference and say guess what we just manufactured 1 million EV with solid state batteries 5 years of empty promises gets old.
I'm looking at Toyota Highlander Hybrid and can't make up my mind if I want to buy it or wait for the next round of electrics. If I buy it, will I be sorry that I didn't wait another year or two.
My Ford fusion is getting 16 miles per charge I usually only go 10- 13 miles per day I can get 32 per day 2 charges a day! I was forced to buy gas every 2 months without a big trip! When it warms up I will get over 16!
i would see the Tesla 4680 batteries as the real breakthrough of the next EV generation. the reason is that it gives approx. +20% more energy density and at the same time at least -25% of the costs per kWh. that +20% of more energy density is a huge step in real world range for long range versions of cars, suited for people who have these needs or just want to have that range as a luxury. i expect other companies like nothvolt, sk innovations, samsung sdi, lg etc. have similar tech. the difference to tesla is, that they don't use a twitter account to do their marketing and boasting about what they have, even in reality they don't have it and is years away (like tesla does to boost their stock value).
If 4680s start to be mass produced, and we aren't there yet, and then they can bring the cost down to anywhere near $40/kWh, that will accelerate EV adoption like you can't imagine. I hope that happens. Or solid state happens. Doesn't matter to me which....or if both do.
And NOBODY knows this better than Elon Musk ladies and gentlemen. If SS has genuine legs Tesla will be all over it quicker than you can change your soiled underpants. Remember that at its core Tesla is NOT a battery company, it’s a transition the world to sustainable energy company!
Making a video rather than actual reveal means it does not work. But its better than anyone else have gotten. Meaning no threat to Tesla and those betting on Solid State are even worst off.
Sandy's Florida thoughts are a hoot. After 50+ years of 750 people per day net inmigration, the moniker of Elephant Graveyard has proven quite true. Still, warm sands, salsa, Latin beats and rising seas always provide entertainment until the last rays of light.
Not heard of the lightning capacitor idea in a while. When I was an undergrad Chem major in the early 90's one of my professors was experimenting with that. Would talk about a future where a capacitor was placed in the ground, then filled from a storm and the house built on top of it. The idea would be the house would be powered for the rest of its useful life by the capacitor.
But can it take you back to the future?
@@deanerhar That's exactly the point! ;-)
Did not doc brown from back to the future harnessed enough lightning energy to send Marty back to the future ?😀
1.21 gigwatts Marty where are we going get that kinda of power? Owe no Marty the Libyans have found me I don't know how but they found me! Lol
Alex, you should talk with Jordan from ‘Limiting Factor’. He analyses everything to do with batteries. 👍🏼
Mostly the nun charger stations are what a joke that turns out to be. 😬
The real challenge is to get this tech to market at a pricepoint that makes it feasible. A prototype with no cost limitations is much easier to put out, but building these at scale at a price people can afford is going to be the real challenge even if they’ve solved the temperature and charging issues.
Prototypes aren't production. Years of being hurt at the auto show over and over I no longer get truly excited till it shows up in volume.
It's a fully functional prototype which they have been actively using for a year. It's impressive for sure but the real innovations in terms of battery tech will always come down to $/kWh. I'm pretty sure this is not going to be especially exciting in that respect. Tesla still leads vastly in that respect where they'll be able to produce cells at $60-65/kWh on a cell level in 2025. That will allow EV costs to go down and eventually produce $20,000-$30,000 cars with 40-50kWh.
If it looks like a concept, it is a concept. Unless you’re a Tesla Cybertruck.
I went to an auto show in 1992 and saw a prototype Jeep Cherokee with the low headlights across the front edge of the hood, almost exactly like the 2021 has...
@@HandyDan So we only need to wait 30 years. :) In that case I want a fusion powered car.
@@AdmiralBob I'd love to make my Smartcar nuclear-powered for infinite range! 🤣🤣🤣
When Toyota does something, they do it right.
I agree, but they better get going and stopping lobbying to slow the transition to EVs.
Well Toyota had better get something going in EVs, time is running out for them. Tesla may just turn out to be the ‘Legacy Killer’.
but thair cars looks ugly..
By the time Toyota "Gets it right" ... Tesla, BYD, NIO, Xpeng and even Hyundai and VW will have eaten their lunch. Tesla didn't launch with the Model Y, which is now outselling the Rav4 in China even though it's $20K more! They launched with the $150K Roadster, then they developed the $80K Model S, named Car of the Year by Multiple car magazines. Then they developed the Model 3, the first Electric car truly developed for the Middle Class and finally they have their masterpiece the Model Y, which WILL become the best selling car in the world. Now that Giga-TX is open I'm guessing they will be making a single motor LFP powered version that they will be able to lease for around $400.00 a month and when that happens, they will literally sell EVERY car they can possibly make for YEARS to come.
There is one thing to remember about lightning, which almost nobody ever mentions: It's effectively an alternating current. The strikes go up to the sky, and down from the sky, repeatedly until an approximate equalisation is achieved. If you're planning to use a lightning storage device then you need some pretty robust rectifiers, in addition to a very tough capacitor bank, to handle the huge currents and voltages.
P.S. Biscotti are very fattening. Sandy is clearly deprived of them, because he's so thin! 😉
"pioneer, settler, beaver"...killer analogy of how things work, and applying this sagely observation to cylindrical batteries ending by solid state transformation timeline.
EFE, thank you for the great Sandy Munro interviews, since he is unbiased, we don't need to wade through endless commercials, nor propaganda, neither showroom prototypes.
It's what works best that counts, and that is what the average guy spends the most time researching (a lifetime endeavor)....
Scotty Kilmer must be pisssd at Sandy for not being a Toyots cheerleader no matter what.
@@delusion2987 The host is literally paid by Volkswagen, and Scotty Kilmer is an ICE mechanic. At least with Sandy's "pro-Tesla bias," he can show in his tear-down videos why he thinks Tesla's engineering is superior in many areas. BTW, Sandy also worked for Ford and has a pension he'd like to collect, so he has comparable motivation to be biased in favor of Ford.
@@delusion2987 Agreed, we should keep any expert or commentator's biases in mind and listen critically, but that includes potential biases against Tesla as well as for Tesla.
@@delusion2987 Makes perfect sense bro. He criticizes any other EV company because their functions arent like Tesla. He did this with ID.4. What does he expect? To be all the same?
@@kevincrady2831 Therefore, they're all in some way biased. The host is sponsored by VW and other products. Like any other tv production.
"I don't wanna go to Florida" - stole the show.
Thanks for the conversation. Solid state looks to be 10 years out for the reasons that Sandy enumerated. 50 years from now, the future will be unrecognizable. 100 years an alternate universe.
There maybe a stop gap chemical battery to replace Li-Ion prior to solid state.
And Sandy, I am a retired auto engineer in Florida, and if you want the fountain of youth, its a 2000 watt e-bike with Tesla battery cells of course. 😁
Comment section is full of nonsense.
Tesla IS about 5-8 years ahead in battery technology. Ask any engineer!
Problem with batteries is obvious: reliability, durability ect….
Toyota isn’t about to release a global product that hasnt been longitudinally tested.
Cheap, easy to source ( no rare material from China or the Middle East), fairly reliable batteries is the future. Let’s hope toyota is on the right path.
All the tests Sandy Munro is talking about in this film have been dealt with... ProLogium invented its solid state battery 8 years ago. At that time, Mercedes invested millions to help build the factory currently in Taiwan.
The car in front was always a Toyota - that was the add slogan I remember as a kid. They have for many years produced some of the best cars on the road and so having a 100 year plan sounds absolutely legitimate. I think perhaps they were the first to introduce hybrids and established that market. Now EV's are the future and so no doubt part of that 100 year plan will incorporate a timeline for the work necessary on testing and scaling up Solid state batteries. It's rare for Toyota to make such an announcement, I think, without having worked out scaling up and production issues. So I do look forward to seeing this new kind of battery technology in a working EV within the next five years at the least. Pansasonic working with both Toyota and Tesla - sounds like Panasonic is the best place to put your money in.
Toyota have been known to work on Solid State for over a long time. It will take the years still to get to market ready production. And their ramp up would be to 180-200 GWh in 2030. That's less than VW goal of 240 GWh, and would only supply about 3 million EVs. In 2030. If their plans work out.
By 2030 where will Tesla be? They are not slowing down, in fact they are getting into other things which will all accelerate, like Megapack production and installation with Autobidder, now robots using their AI expertise, and don’t forget Dojo and its application once in full operation next year.
Exactly , Toyota have over 1000 patents on solid state batteries, Sandy worked for Ford in the oast and him not being invited to Toyota major press event or factory nor be shown around by Toyota means nothing and very telling, Sandy is not the ultimate authority of battery tech. So when he puts Toyota behind Quantumscape it's very subjective view from the outside, the fact is, no one knows. This channel is obviously sponsored by VW and we all know VW is the standard bearer for truth and honesty right..
@Arman Shahbaz If that is the case then, i would put Toyota ahead, Toyota would never jeopardise their position as a public traded company and a trusted brand by lying how quantumscape is. I personally think Toyota are further ahead by what we are lead to believe and they have something uo their sleeves.
I❤️TOYOTA. All my Toyota vehicles have driven past 300k miles without any major issue. Toyota Number ONE.
Hi Alex 👍, I had a M3 SR+ with a Panaconic 55 battery for six months - it was a disaster☹️, I sold it in June and immediately bought it with an LFP 55 - I had nothing better so far. Great battery, great car. This is my personal opinion, I'm not an expert, but I think the point in 4680 is getting smaller and smaller every day. Best from Germany .
bought "it"? LFR 55? I'd like to understand your insightful comment
I enjoy your channel very much. Thanks for all the electric car news.
Also do you have any content where Sandy talks about how he got started in cars, where he went to school and how you might learn to do what he does?
Yeah that'd be great!
Toyota's solid state cells are literally made by hand and with a sputtering machine. They are 10 years away from production at this rate, and even if they massively accelerate, they are not close to producing a volume big enough for 1million cars, let alone 20million plus.
This fact makes a lot of sense , it’s the sort of misdirection that they would undertake, sputtering machine I love it lmao
just put a lot of Chinese hands to the problem and we have a bunch of batteries?
So was the car before Henry Ford got involved… 🤷🏽♂️
Electric Viking video claims Toyota will badge engineer BYD. Or, BYD will supply blade batteries to Toyota.
A very interesting conversation. The timeline to solid state production sounds right considering the actual thing does not exist yet. But, if it works it will power the future... unless capacitors make a breakthrough.
Very good point we are all forgetting Ellon has a belief capacitors have a potential and has been very silent on it, it would not surprise me if the cyber truck ends up with a flux capacitor prototype fitted .
@@brunoheggli2888 why would elon even consider an ice engine
The whole “capacitor that can replace a battery” promise violated laws of physics regarding how much electric charge can be concentrated in a given amount of space, so it’s not coming soon…it was either a scam or wishful thinking. Chemical storage (batteries) will always have a significant advantage over capacitors when it comes to capacity and weight, because of the fundamental limits on capacitors.
@@brunoheggli2888 That's so? What did he say that was inaccurate?
I too an an automotive engineer. Why don't you provide your counterpoint to what he is saying versus an ad hominem attack?
No Bruno, you are the clown.
@@markoverton5858 - The CT will have the 4680 batteries, flux capacitor in a few years, will run on bananas and prunes.
Major distinction between conventional
welded (anode tab, Panasonic) and
multi (anode flaps, Tesla).
Tab
- is an internal electrical lead either spot weld or cold weld to a spot on the Cu anode. It employs (an elastomer) to maintain a constant preload force is required to
1) minimize electrical impedance across anode and cell wall.
2) eliminate chance to open circuit and consequently internal electrical spark upon inertial shock induced on road.
Flaps (tab less architecture)
- was intended to eliminate a conventional welded tab and in that process defeated
1) low electrical impedance.
2) spark suppression
3) low thermal impedance
Panasonic and other major cell manufacturers came up with a solution - preloaded welded tab - good to lower impedance and suppress internal spark just to be eliminated by Tesla for its tab less architecture.
‘Patented tabless architecture’.
@@Chainyanker007 what are you trying to say? My spelling check don’t recognize the word “tabless”.
This is a fishing trip video, as long as neither you nor Sandy Munro know exactly what Toyota actually has hidden from the public. I agree with Sandy that all this is just a speculation, and you are discussing hear say. Quite a pointless video, but Sandy is always nice to see.
Things don’t stay that secret.
Absolutelly correct, Top leader Toyoda was criticizing Japanese government heavily this week for banning ice from 2025, and putting more than 8 million jobs i Japan at risk. He said technology simply isn’t there yet to ban ice.
@@sha053 - He should take a drive in a Tesla with FSD v10.x and be shown the Tesla Supercharger global network map and its growth.
The interviewer is terrible.
Sandy used to work for Ford, big deal, he doesnlt work for toyota, has he been invited by Toyota to look at their stuff in detail. he's giving his subjective opinion from the outside only.
This is old hat. I was working on recharging from lightning back in the 80s. Got one really good hit late one stormy night and I can tell you that from the moment i woke up the day after I have had no desire whatsoever to go for another charge.
QuantumScape will be a leader in ssb technology. With JB Straubel and Celina Mikolajczak on the team, production challenges will be addressed. Fire safety, fast charge and energy density problems are solved with QS battery development.
Just realised something about the Toyota tech. They aim for 180-200 GWh in 2030 (~3 million EVs with average 60 kWh battery). The fact that they're aiming for this low number by 2030 means that the technology definitely isn't close to market, nor that it is extremely disruptive before that time.
There is a video about these batteries on The Limiting Factor. These new batteries are neither solid state as the cathode is a gel, nor are they anodeless as every battery must have an anode and their's is made of copper.
Unfortunately all the benefits of a solid seperator are lost because of the gel cathode. The great thing about these batteries is that without the carbon or graphite matrix at the anode, lithium metal can plate directly onto the anode with a potential energy density increase up to6x what can be achieved with current LI technology. If things go as planned, however, these cells will not be introduced until 2024 at roughly comperable energy density to what Tesla will already be producing by that time and at about twice the cost. Further development may realize much greater energy density by 2030, but these new batteries won't be powering any BEVs any time soon.
The video you watched was for Quantumscape not Toyota. Quantumscape is backed by VW not Toyota.
@@scottwills4698 Thank-you for pointing that out. The fact is that Toyota is keeping the details of their solid state battery confidential. Sandy also mentioned a company called Solid Power. I haven't seen any details about their developments either, but they claim that they are ready to go to mass production.
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Seeing Sandy with his arms folded just like the magazine behind him is too funny.
Current cars lined up for production will use 2170, 4680, pouch batteries, etc. The next generation will probably move forward to whatever new batteries are developed.
Anytime you got haters that don't want to admit that they was wrong you know you doing something right...
You HAVE haters..........Paul
You make good quality videos man. and your info and personality is top-notch! I been watched this video but can't believe I left without liking it! I apologize for that!
In the latest season of Goliath one of the characters, Sam, appears to be driving a Lucid Air.
The next breakthrough to be announced is a solid-state biscotti powered EV.
Yep, the flux capacitor is the way to go, just feed it bananas or biscottis.
I think Tesla is smart enough to have a team working on secret solid state batteries. At least I hope they do.
@@FactsAboutTheWorld. secret team
@@FactsAboutTheWorld. what position are these “friend’s” in?
Solid state is rhetorical battery that Elon and JB looked at around 2014. The energy density and recharge cycles are not competitive with lithium.
@@FactsAboutTheWorld., a lot of Tesla's battery research is going on outside of the walls of Tesla. There are several prominent researchers that are working exclusively for Tesla and funded by Tesla. Your friends working on 4680 wouldn't know about this unless they are VERY high up. Hence the "secret team." We are talking about stuff that would only exist in a laboratory and is still years away from commercialization.
@@FactsAboutTheWorld. Duh, because tesla evaluated all outside battery tech and no one has showed them anything with promise, except maxwell. They bought maxwell pretty quickly. You trolls keep forgetting that tesla will just buy anything that has value and put it into production faster than anyone else. For that reason, everyone wants to sell their tech to tesla over other companies. Just look at how the oil companies bought previous patents and purposely did nothing with them. People can make more money selling to someone who is actually going to make a product out of the technology. The speed at which that product can get to market is going to dictate how much money.
The announcement is not surprising, Toyota had announced, in 2018? that they would present the solid state battery car in the inauguration of the 2020 Olympics… which didn’t happen despite the one year delay due to some global event.
It has been and still is, many years of hype.
Please we want a meeting with Magnax axial flux motor founders!
Sandy hit the nail on the head, "You can make anything work in the lab. Phase zero"
What an interesting perspective,this man is obviously quite sharp and truly thoughtful. Thank You Sir !🌞
Watch his video on how many years he thinks Tesla is ahead in multiple EV sectors. Looked to me that Tesla is killing the Tesla Killers, lol.
YEs, yes yes! Not only Toyota, but LG and others are working hard on Solid State batteries. To all of you in the comments who dismisses solid state batteries: At one point you'll be wrong and you'll be exhilarated to be wrong. Solid silicon anode working at room temperature in a solid state battery. This opens the door for 500Wh/kg. Even cheaper city EVs will have a range around 400 miles, at which point there will be no convenience loss when getting an EV, so the world needs this. And thank you for the evolution of this channel from a "Look and feel" ev content channel, into an industry/future recap news channel! LOL, Lightning in a bottle: A super capacitor EV charged by a lightning rod, like in back to the future! The energy in a single lightning bolt is around 45 kWh, so some EVs will need a few strikes to get to 100%!
I've come to simply not believe ANYONE who claims to have a solid-state battery, or solid state battery breakthrough anymore. The only people who talk about it, or brag about making breakthroughs are those who are lagging in the shift to EVs who have reason to want to convince investors that they're totally going to come out of nowhere to dominate the EV market in the future. Fisker for example bragged about having a major solid state battery breakthrough, and hyped it up a bunch, only to quietly decide to completely abandon solid-state batteries a few months later. Their explanation being that the first 80% of a solid-state battery is really easy, but the last 20% is really really hard to next to impossible with today's technology.
The time I'll believe a company's claims on solid-state batteries is when they're in a production vehicle that I can buy today.
Depending upon the definition of "solid state", the technology widely varies. I'm sure Toyota will introduce a new 3 letter acronym to differentiate its emerging product. Solid state batteries still represent a safety risk in certain scenarios - that much energy density will always carry risks.
Harvesting lightning electric energy was already done in the 1950ies - in "Back to the Future".
I have no idea what Sandy is on about. Toyota is saying the BZ4X is coming out next year, (this year in Asia) it will use CATL and BYD batteries, they will be blade and or some other next gen tech that will compete directly with Teslas 4680s. Toyota will have theirs out before Tesla. Toyota is claiming their solid state batteries will be ready in 2025 2026, the 4680s are not even on the same level as Toyotas planned solid state tech, which Tesla is no where near achieving anything close to what Toyota has in that area. 4680s will compete with the next gen CATL and BYD blade batts, not solid state.
Also Toyota is partnering with Panasonic BYD and CATL, using batteries technically as advanced or more advanced than the 4680s. This idea that Tesla is 5 to 10 years ahead of everyone is so debunked its not even funny. Tesla admitted they have not figured out how to make 4680s yet, meanwhile CATL BYD advanced batteries and blade batteries will be in the BZ toyotas which start coming out THIS YEAR in China and Japan. Even GMs Ultium is on par with 4680s, Ultium will be out late 2021 as well.
Tesla is only ahead in having a successful all EV line up, NOT in battery tech, NOT in manufacturing for sure, and NOT in quality.
You guys are hilarious! The patience, experience and wit of Sandy is just gold.
I live about an hour from Windsor. Thanks for the tip Sandy! Looking forward to some delicious biscotti 😂
I live in Windsor, yes a lot of Italian stores and a few good bakeries left.
The only "Solid State" that Toyota is bringing to the market outside of a billion dollar one off prototype is how to Solidly affix a Toyota emblem to someone else's product. This has been thier MO for the past 2 decades. I remember when they got everybody hot and heavy about the game changing new supra. Then they released a Rebadged BMW. Profitability and consumer optics has become way more important to Toyota than innovation.
I had a Toyota supra Twin Turbo AUTOMATIC - it was the worst car I have ever owned in my life... God I WISH BMW had made it...
The kickdown on the gearbox was set to drop 2 gears at the exact moment the turbo's kicked in - so the back end spun out dangerously every time you tried to accelerate. I had it in to Toyota like 5 times thinking it was broken. made no difference. Finally met a guy who had the same car and he said they are all like this.
@@mikeb1039 tell me where I can buy one? Toyota is just blowing smoke up your ass. A one off prototype that they spent 1 billion to build is way different than something you can buy.
@@mikeb1039 - But when? Next year? If not, they are in trouble.
Pretty sure Toyota and Tesla are collaborating
Also, in the 1990s and 2000s, GM happily put their badge on plenty of Toyota products. Its kind of an industry wide thing... (Ford-Mazda) (Dodge-Mitsubishi)
It's a toss-up which will hit the market first -- the solid-state battery, or the 100-mpg carburetor. As of 2012, the estimated cost to build an EV-sized solid-state battery pack was $100 million.
Combination solidstate and lithium system would be the future
Thanks. By the way, "Biscotti" is already plural. It means "More than one biscotto"; you don't need to add the English plural, you don't have to. Just read the jag, it says "Biscotti". But all we know how the "Americans" are messed up with languages other than their own "American".
Florida ain't so bad. No tax on pensions and no income tax for two reasons. No snow, no ice, and rarely gets below freezing. Live near the coasts and get fresh seafood. No fucking vaxx mandates and a governor who stands up to the madness in the District of Corruption. Hurricanes come once in a while to the north of the state and more often to the tropical regions in the south, but they don't phase the natives. Jacksonville has only been hit with 3 in 100 years. Most follow the Gulfstream up to N. Carolina and the Middle Atlantic States. I used to live in Joisey where the property and insurance taxes are highest in the country. Eff that. I got a half million dollar home and pay about $2500 in property tax. C'mon down, Sandy. There IS life after retirement.
Best biscotti I remember was Semifreddi's in Emeryville, CA.
There’s a Semifreddi’s San Francisco!
You ask the best, most intriguing questions. Thank you.
The Toyota dealership in the clips you use - is it in Bracknell UK?
Graphene and Solid state batteries , great potential, too bad it only does well in the lab.
Like the kids who’s great at sports in the backyard, but stinks in actual games
Electric storage as solid state batteries or Caps is probably the next step but that is not the end game. Think about how satellites and planet landers are powered - Nuclear power packs. Some interesting work on Diamond - Nuclear batteries underway at Bristol University but of course this is a start, proof of concept.. The world has plenty of radio active materials to recycle and make use of in the future..
did u had the chance to check the rivian? are u planning to?
We'll probably get solid state battery phones well before we get them in cars.
Toyota has long been my favorite automaker simply because of the reliability of their vehicles. Unfortunately they seem to really be behind with BEVs in terms of a sellable product. I find myself in a spot where I need to replace our aging Prius (or spend a chunk of money replacing the hybrid battery pack, and probably do tires, sparks, brakes again). As much as we would've been happy to stay with Toyota, they just don't have anything available in our timeline, it would seem. Glad they're at least working on tomorrow though.
Toyota is in a way low-tech, like Honda is low-tech (as recently as 2008, while Honda was equipping their cars with obsolete and inefficient SOHC engines, even Korean name plates like Hyundai were running DOHC engines in all their cars). And in comparison to the almighty Tesla, Toyota is very much on the stone age as far as technology and sophistication is concerned. Sure, your Camry may be a reliable car (then again, list one brand that makes a car that will leave you stranded. In the 21st Century they just don't exist. In 1985, sure, but not within the past 20 years. ALL automakers got with the program), but what value is there in being a tad more reliable than the least reliable brand when your car is a rolling bucket of 20th Century bolts, like your typical Toyota?
@@glennbartusch7310 I think reliability today depends on the age and mileage; I don't think most vehicles break down anymore when relatively new. Our Prius is 16 years old and has well over 300k miles. I don't know exactly because the odometer stops as 299,999 lol. It has needed nothing other than a rotor and of course oil changes, spark plug (only once lol), and tires. Our Sienna is also 16 years old (bought used ten years ago). I changed the transmission fluid once. The rockers panels are looking grim (Toyotas corrosion issues have been a point of criticism by many especially in their pickups).
I don't disagree that the tech isn't anywhere close to some of your examples, but most automakers aren't cranking out vehicles that just keep trucking after so many miles and years without needing some major love. I wouldn't say I beat my cars up but I'm also not banging these things. If nothing else, it's testament that the simpler you keep something, the less problems you are likely to have to deal with down the road.
Yes, Toyota makes great ICE cars, I still have two of them but the old reliable van will be replaced by a model Y in the next couple of years. I’ll keep my ‘88 Toyota SR5 pickup for a few more years. Meanwhile my main car is a ‘20 Tesla MS LR+, greatest thing I’ve ever driven, just great fun and the software updates keep making it better and better, amazing. But ICE is going obsolete, EV is the future, Tesla is currently the leader in overall EV tech, from software to batteries to FSD neural network to SC global network, it will be hard to catch-up let alone surpass Tesla. Interesting times, but my money is on TSLA.
Chris Fix has a video on changing the battery in a Prius. If I had known my sister was trading in her(she lives 2,000 miles away)10 year old, for next to nothing, on a new Prius I would have bought it and tried my hand @ a battery change. Good luck on what ever you decide.
@@theknifedude1881 I've actually changed the battery (one to two cells at a time) three times now. The reality is, it's not a permanent fix, even with a "rebuilt" pack, because the rebuilt pack is cobbled together from a bunch of old cells as well. You really need to replace it with a new battery if you want real longevity, which is around $4k from Toyota (if they're willing to sell to you, some dealers aren't) or an aftermarket for around $2500, which comes with its own warranty risks.
I can almost do the swap with my eyes closed now, the problem being that it's effectively whack a mole each time. It has gotten to a point that I don't think I'm willing to drop $4k on the car, which is far more than the car itself is worth, just to keep it on the road, and while used battery cells are super cheap ($25 a pop), I'm not sure I want to rip everything out every 6-12 months in perpetuity.
Right now I get a battery error every 500 miles or so. I just reset the error codes and keep on rolling. This all started (again) around four months ago. Sure enough, reading the codes, it's a confirmed older cell, one original to the car, that went bad. I'm sure at some point it's going to tell me, "no more", but until that day, or until I can replace it with another vehicle, I'll likely run it as is hahaha.
Solid state batteries are already out in Germany being used in the electric buses lithium metal batteries
really do you have any more details on that ? why aren't they being used in smaller vehicles?
With the recent announcement from Livermore Labs on fusion energy, what does Sandy think about applying that science to EV's?
Tesla make and install charging stations. Is Toyota matching that with thousands of hydrogen charging stations?
H is a losing proposition, Toyota spent millions on that tech which put them way behind on EVs, now trying to play catch-up. Good luck to them.
La Stella Market is still there and operating. One of the hidden gems of Windsor.
I bet solid state will be available from Toyota before enrons full self driving is ready
Glad to see Sandy is a fan of Back to the future
I sure believe that Toyota / Toyoda won't just make random baseless claims. They're been expecting to have something ready for (presumably limited) production in 2025 with a solid state battery.
I want NO EV with a large battery that can violently explode and also burn VERY violently and be very hard to put out near my house all the time.
I would like a BEV with Toyota quality.
So I'm very interested in waiting and finding out how solid state goes.
Enjoyed the discussions, but would have liked to have had an understanding of what are going to be the capabilities of the Solid State batteries at the start of the video
That car in the thumbnail looks like a tC and I'm glad to see a mock-up.
Shuttering Scion was a bad move for toyo, but I'm glad most of their cars were retained elsewhere instesd of just killing all the projects.
An electric tC just feels right as well. FR-S and tC seem like perfect candidatws toyo to break the scene with a new segment: electric tuners
Never undestimate Toyota.
Apparently Toyota and Honda have stated that they will be producing the majority of their cars with IC engines even beyond 2030. Maybe they will pull a rabbit out of their hats?
I Hope so. I want to see more EV's on the road!! 🚘🔋🚘🔋🚘🔋
TY, A very important video in the future insight of energy storage. And not just for cars.
Sandy Monru has become more of celeb and fun boy lately than a deep observer of engineering.
Lol. He always was! He’s become a celeb among Tesla fanboys but serious skeptical minds have debunked him many times. Sad people take him seriously regardless of what one is a fan of. It’s a very fake world….
I have a solid state too, but the problem is it only lasts about 10 minutes.
There is generally always a point when new tech is more expensive and performs worse then existing technology. The inflection point will be when solid state on a dollar per KWh basis becomes similar to the 4680 cell.
I don't think that charging speed will ever be a determining factor since at some point it will no longer be the battery cell that is the limiting factor in how fast we can charge the vehicle. Unless you can build out an infrastructure of ultrafast charging stations and the batteries can consistently charge at the uber quick rate without additional strain, it really won't add that much value to the consumer.
Power density will also only be an important factor in segments such as exotics, semis and VTOLs at least until solid state can achieve price parity with other available batteries.
This is all even assuming that the solid state batteries are viable in a consumer product and can be produced at scale.
If charging is faster then 400km/¼hour, then most won't care
@@sebastiangeorge7714 A tesla can charge as fast as 200 miles in around 18 min. That's REALLY close. .... Plug in, take a dump ... come back and you've got another 200 miles. I think I can live with that.
@@TheCostofAutism sure Tesla is close to it that’s probably why the prices are through the roof right nowe
@@sebastiangeorge7714 Prices are through the roof because the demand is insane. If you try to order ANY of Tesla's cars right now, you have an absolute minimum wait time of 3 to 12 months and that's with Tesla constantly doubling production every year.
@@TheCostofAutism yes lucky I don’t need a car so I can wait
So many Tesla fan boys being triggered here. So much for ‘legacy’ automakers being defunct huh? What legacy really means is …. Cash, expertise, factories, customer base …. Relax guys. There are plenty of fish in this pond, Tesla is one Toyota is another … chill out!
Toyota is going to hemorrhage market share to Tesla and BYD while they figure this out....bucket up.
Really appreciate your interview with Sandy and EV news.
Looking forward to your bubblegum-money-making videos growing into oreo-money-making videos. XD
😂😂😂😂😂The used car dealer shirts 👚, I hate it
"I don't want to go to Florida"
Increasing the storage density of solid state capacitors is the main game.
No it's not.
@@terrysullivan1992 you probably know more than I do.
So I saw a Lucid southbound on 99 south of Grantline overpass. It was dirty and had pasted up window tint and a Calif mfr plate. Was that you Alex, getting a press car?
Bottomline: Tesla is years ahead, 2-3 in some sectors, 4-10 years in other sectors and Tesla is not slowing down. What happened to all of the ‘Tesla Killers’?
How do you know that Tesla is ahead when you are privvy to what others are doing in their R&D. Musk says something and you all believe. Everything he promises takes 6-7years longer than original estimates. Where's the Tesla truck in production? The other auto manufacturers are gaining ground. They already know how things like doors and body molding s work. They also already know how to paint the entire vehicle properly. Tesla is mostly hype. They have poor service support and their product is supported only by government mandates. Without the mandates Tesla would be out of money. The carbon credits they sell to other manufacturers is their profit margin.
@@rm5282 - Check out the Sandy Munro video where he gives these estimates on several sectors on how far ahead Tesla is in the EV game. If anyone knows it would be Sandy. You do know who he is right?
@@rm5282 - You are so grossly misinformed on Tesla it’s hilarious. Btw, I’m an old senior, been driving for over 60 yrs, used to be a hot rodder in my youth. These days I drive a ‘20 Tesla model S, greatest car I’ve ever driven, acceleration is unreal, software updates about every 3-4 weeks increases functionality. When I first got the car in Feb ‘20 it had an EPA range of about 372 miles, after about 3 months one of the updates increased that to low 390s, then a month or two later another update increased it again to the current 402 miles. My car gets better with time, does yours? Love my EV hot rod.
@@Chainyanker007 never heard of him but I will check out the video you mentioned. I am not a big EV guy. I know it is a part of the future but we have long way to go to reduce the total carbon impact to the planet.
Like The lighting idea. Will be a big challenge to get that in.
Is lighting already DC, cause it is Direct impact? 🤔🙃
I don't know, nor does anyone else, if Solid State Batteries are a viable technology in the next 3-4 years. However, it is great that companies like QuantumScape, Toyota, SolidPower, etc are TRYING to advance the tech. It would be great for the whole industry if Solid State Batteries do become the replacement for 4680s. Can you imagine if SSB charge faster than 4680's, and have a longer range for about the same cost? Quite frankly, we might need SSB to make a $30,000 EV with decent range possible.
You can't go wrong interviewing Sandy Munro!!!
I like Sandy, he’s a straight shooter, calls it like he sees it, no BS.
ProLogium is far far ahead of everyone else in solid state battery technology.... Actually 8 years ahead of QS and SLDP
Yoo
Does Sandy have any thoughts on the Evergrand troubles?
I don't wonna go to Florida... Priceless
Older batteries won't necessarily disappear, that's a function of cost, if the older batteries for example become even cheaper... they will still find a market... just like the majority of e-bikes run on lead acid, because it's so much cheaper then lithium-ion and it does the job...
What happened to Nickel cadium batteries?
What about Panasonics Solid State Battery are they partnered with Toyota?
They building a facility in NC to build them?
What are Mr. Munro thoughts on Lyten Sulpher battery.
“The pioneer is displaced by the settlers”. Sandy Monroe
That's what is going to happen to Tesla by nio xpeng byd li. Lol
So, solid state could turn Tesla's Giga battery factories in Giga boat anchors.
Does anyone know if this prototype was at the Tokyo Olympics. I saw something similar following a cycling race
Yes, it was the prototype of that car but with regular battery
@@EforElectric thank you!
Without solid state I doubt BEVs will be able to come close to replacing ICE cars, at least in the U.S.
keep our fingers crossed for Toyota, Solid Power, VW etc.
This is factually incorrect, prices for lithium batteries are still steadily decreasing, as right now Tesla has a battery that is roughly 80 USD per kilowatt, but they plan to get that down to 50 dollars a kilowatt, so that means that Tesla could get prices 1/3 lower than a competitive ICE car.
@@HarrisonAdAstra Supply and demand suggests that prices for these materials will actually go up because now everybody is building electric cars. And that is exactly what is happening, Teslas are more expensive now than they were two years ago.
@@thomas735 the reason they are more expensive now than two years ago is because 1. They can’t make enough cars, wether that be because of demand or they just don’t have enough materials 2. Inflation, just look it up. 3. Lithium is the most common “rare” earth material, you may as well cut out the “rare”. Your argument is that Tesla will run out of battery’s because there is just so many EVs, good thing Tesla basically owns a lithium mining company (they only gather lithium for Tesla and are quite loyal) and they make there own batteries, this pint is something I would expect from a deranged elder who thinks 5G towers cause cancer.
@@HarrisonAdAstra No matter how much Tesla fan boys try, you can’t rewrite the rules of economics. The reality is tesla has a problem with demand. Not only that but their stock is a huge bubble on the verge of popping. Don’t get me wrong they have world-class software, and a pretty good charging at work.
@@thomas735 wait, so your saying that to prove Tesla has no demand there orders are pushed back to next year? I would really like to have a look at this fatally flawed argument.
Imagine a barn find modern electric it will resemble those batteries I recycled the other day.
I'm predicting that the first solid state battery car frion Toyota will be a plug-in hybrid, due to high cost and limited production of that new battery type. Toyota won't get serious about BEVs until they fall behind Tesla, Nissan, BYD, Vokswagen, GM, Ford, Hyundai, BMW, Mercedes, etc.
There's nothing to predict. They already said it's going into hybrids first
@@EforElectric So, why? Are they trying to sabotage their solid state advantage of fast charging?
Toyota is gonna go bankrupt sadly cause there too stubborn.
No EV automaker can succeed for the mainstream long term when battery costs are so great. Should there be no technology that is less costly than current batteries, then future personal transportation vehicles could only be for relatively wealthy persons. Toyota is the everyman's vehicle manufacturer. For now, Tesla can target a different market but with growing demand for the existing chemical batteries, fueled by government regulations, the EV manufacturing costs could rise rather than fall. Toyota in keeping the hybrid option is wise, they are good at building those and Toyota customers like them. Fifteen years ago many made jokes about Prius owners, some still do, but Toyota hybrids have won the respect of consumers. Lets see some bigger solid state batteries for future truck hybrids.
GM did exactly the same when they released the VOLT. Makes sense, but not forever.
At this point, I think the car manufacturers should just surprise us with solid state EV
I think they should hold a news conference and say guess what we just manufactured 1 million EV with solid state batteries
5 years of empty promises gets old.
I'm looking at Toyota Highlander Hybrid and can't make up my mind if I want to buy it or wait for the next round of electrics. If I buy it, will I be sorry that I didn't wait another year or two.
My Ford fusion is getting 16 miles per charge I usually only go 10- 13 miles per day I can get 32 per day 2 charges a day! I was forced to buy gas every 2 months without a big trip! When it warms up I will get over 16!
Pretty sure a little birdy told me that Toyota and Tesla are working together...
i would see the Tesla 4680 batteries as the real breakthrough of the next EV generation.
the reason is that it gives approx. +20% more energy density and at the same time at least -25% of the costs per kWh. that +20% of more energy density is a huge step in real world range for long range versions of cars, suited for people who have these needs or just want to have that range as a luxury.
i expect other companies like nothvolt, sk innovations, samsung sdi, lg etc. have similar tech. the difference to tesla is, that they don't use a twitter account to do their marketing and boasting about what they have, even in reality they don't have it and is years away (like tesla does to boost their stock value).
10 years from now 4680 will be sub $40/kWh. Hard to match that.
Why 10 yrs, more like next 2-3 yrs if not sooner.
If 4680s start to be mass produced, and we aren't there yet, and then they can bring the cost down to anywhere near $40/kWh, that will accelerate EV adoption like you can't imagine. I hope that happens. Or solid state happens. Doesn't matter to me which....or if both do.
@@Team_Trade_Down California's power grid growing in KWH? Rest of the country??
All technologies are interim technologies.
And NOBODY knows this better than Elon Musk ladies and gentlemen. If SS has genuine legs Tesla will be all over it quicker than you can change your soiled underpants. Remember that at its core Tesla is NOT a battery company, it’s a transition the world to sustainable energy company!
Making a video rather than actual reveal means it does not work. But its better than anyone else have gotten. Meaning no threat to Tesla and those betting on Solid State are even worst off.
You say you got a real solution? Well you know, we’d all love to see the plan.
Don't you know it's gonna be alright?
But when you go talking about disruption..
@@malcolmrickarby2313 Don't you know that you can count me in . . .