This BANNED Technology Could Push Hydrogen Cars Over BEVs
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- This hydrogen technology was banned by the US government for years but now thanks to Sandy Munro's mention of it in one of our conversations this hydrogen electric car tech could actually propel hydrogen cars passed battery powered electric cars, and today I'm talking with the man behind the technology and the founder of Plasma Kinetics Paul Smith.
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You didn't ask the relevant questions: 1. What are the conversion losses in generarating the hydrogen and getting it onto the film?
2. How much does the hydrogen to film conversion device cost and how much energy does it consume?
3. How much does the conversion unit in the car cost, how heavy and how efficient is it?
4. At what point of production readiness are they and how much would a factory cost to produce those devices?
5. How high is the energy density on film compared to compressed (700 bar)/liquified hydrogen?
6. How is the hydrogen fixed onto the film and is there anything other than hydrogen coming off when it's getting lasered?
7. How does the cost compare to compressing hydrogen?
With this system, there are a lot more steps from the energy source to the motor: Regenerative power to hydrogen, hydrogen to film, film to hydrogen, hydrogen to the motor via fuel cell. All those steps have losses.
For BEVs it's solar panel to battery to motor with an overall efficiency of way over 80%. FCEVs are two to three times less efficient and it'd be interesting to know, how much better this technology might do.
It's all fine and dandy that lots of people are interested in a slightly less boneheaded way to store hydrogen but prototypes are easy...
good questions, I had similar questions too, but I doubt we will get answers any time soon
They won't mention cost, ws that would reveal how impractical it is, but they did mention "15 pounds for 20 miles" which means 300 pounds to equal the 400 mile range Teslas - but that might be overly optimistic.
@@chrismuir8403 yes, and that 300lbs is just the “fuel storage unit”..
You still need a Fuel cell (1-200kW ?) and the usual battery that fuel cell cars need..
@@weinisable ...and the thing that gets the hydrogen off the fuel-storarage-unit is not weightless either. It's gonna be pretty busy under the hood if such a car gets ever built.
Good questions. But to be fair, there are more steps in the BEVs case - transformers/DC-DC converters, rectifiers and invertors (at least for AC motors like Tesla uses).
Today, I charge my EV with solar power made on my roof. It's been a revelation to me. I'd have trouble now going back to an energy source I needed to rely on others to price and provide.
Amen!
Everything doesn't work for everyone.
This just does not work for you.
Maybe there will be a way in the future that your solar could be converted to hydrogen. I think its a far cleaner technology to manufacture. But who knows what is around the corner!
You're a lucky man to have solar that powers your car. Maybe one day that will be common. But you're ahead of the curve.
@@garybrotherton5732 I made it a priority. You can get decent solar setups now for about the same as a decent used sub-compact cars. Add a few thousand for a decent storage battery on the house. Still very reasonable and saves you money every day for both home AND transport.
getting my popcorn ready. someone is getting a chemistry 101 lecture here.
They need a physics lesson, can't believe people will fall for this nonsense. We seem to live in an age where people have less knowledge and more gullibility than ever. Unfortunately these scams cause mistrust, something needs to be done about the amount of fiction that's peddled as fact. Simple "scientifically accurate" certification should be awarded by a group of leading educational institutions so those without the luxury of a good rounded education can tell if content has merit or is tripe. The internet has some value but it needs saving from morons.
@@oktc68 Where would the fun be in that ? I love seeing crap like this. What I am surprised about though is how some people who you thought where educated actually believe it.
@@derekdaly1300 Well I can't argue with that! It certainly has entertainment value. I have to confess that at first I thought "that sounds amazing" then I started thinking about it and quickly realised that it's a crock. Still just because someone lacks an education it's no reason to make them feel foolish. I am also amazed that industry insiders get duped. Rule 1 if it sounds to good to be true then it's usually a crock. The trouble with all this electrical nonsense for powering your car is, petrol is an excellent fuel, little compares to its energy density unless it's explosive, if there was a good alternative then surely scientists would've already found it?
@@oktc68 In Thunderfoot words open a text book lol
You have chem101 lecture and you want to eat??? Focus bro.
The word BANNED in all caps in the title is the first sign that this is BS.
Exactly!
"ITAR Restricted" =/= Banned!!
Now I know why I un subscribed E for Electric months ago. Bullshit headline stories. How can all these people know how to use this tech for years but have never done a thing with it, seriously? I also want to know why he cut Monroe short of the interview in this episode. Was Monroe gonna say something about this tech? Plus Monroe has been around for a while, this would be out there already. We are being lead to a lie.
please tell me he learned about it on the dark web
Nope, Doug Dastardly
Wrongo Kongo.
"Think Autobot
Energon Cubes"
Stored Energy in portable format the size of a Lazerdisk or A compact Disk. Having 1000 disks in the frunk of your truck and having a system built into the trailer that Recycles used disks.
If 2 disks gives you 15 miles, then 1000 will give 7,500 miles range.
If 4 disks gives you 15 miles,
Then 500 will still give 1,875 miles Range. Wow That Is Phenomenal. And also inexpensive. And you can carry extra with you for super long trips. You might even be able to barter with it.
The cost of producing green hydrogen is the real problem with hydrogen
Stabilising RE in the grid is completely complementary with H2 production.
With a 30% capacity factor, three point five to four times overbuild of RE capacity ensures minimal requirement for supplementary pumped hydro, gas peaking, batteries etc. With such a large amount of overbuild there will be periods of massive oversupply - which can be variably diverted to green H2 production to keep the grid in supply/demand balance. Because generation costs don’t rise with output, the excess electricity is essentially free. Dramatically reducing green H2 production costs.
We just need to continue to introduce more & more RE into the grid to get there & eliminate the prohibitive cost factor for green H2.
@@markboscawen8330 If you overbuild your RE capacity, the excess electricity is NOT essentially free. You have to compare the cost of the competing systems; something like: RE + (gas peakers or nuclear) versus 3.5-4 RE.
@@johanmeijer133Agree that there is a capital cost which should rightly be compared to other gen options.
Though the economics of nuclear do not stack up at 100% capacity factor let alone as low as 30-40% when supplementing RE - its these economics which are even making extant coal-fired gen uneconomic over summer days.
H2 gas peaking needs to use green H2 to be zero emissions. Either it is produced from RE dedicated to the task or from RE gen which would otherwise be turned off to balance the grid. Given that solar has no fuel costs & no to very low ongoing costs, utilising this excess output is free in reality.
Not really. You could produce in the car with alternators built into the wheels. Oil companies put out a lot of disinformation about the costs to deter people from this technology. I have several homemade hydroxy generators. I even have a lawn mower I converted to run on hydrogen. The real problem is their profit margins. Weight is also a factor right now but technology will improve. Also lithium is a limited source
"As we learned in high school hydrogen is positively charged"
Lolwut? My guy a hydrogen ion might be positively charged but hydrogen is usually H2 and is electrically neutral. You have a channel called E for Electric and you got so much basic stuff wrong in this video.
This reminds of a story that was popular in the '70s and '80s. It was about a carburetor invention that allows cars to get 100mpg. Of course, it was blocked by the oil companies.
It's basically just vaporizing vaporizing the gasoline
Thunderf00t video go watch this video is nonsense.
Actually that's how I felt about his video. His video is the scam
@@EforElectric Go ahead, make a correction of thunderf00ts video and post it. No honestly, if you really think some company rebranding a decades old technology could defy the basic laws of physics I am certainly interessted in how you are going to justify that.
Also, they/you are obiously lying, as their patent states completly diferent things than their promo material. Just an example: THe patent noticed, that a temp of ~300°C - 400°C is required for the magnesium to release the bound hydrogen. No polymere in this world could withstand such temperaturs while also being remotly affordable to manufacture in the required amounts.
@@EforElectric You got busted pretty hard by TF mate. The short version of it is that hydrogen isn't found free in the air because it's too reactive, and the amount of hydrogen you can store on a disc that thin is laughably tiny.
@@NineSun001 I'm not in business of throwing mud at others. But anybody who watches his channel and thinks that he has an actual point is not going to even understand my rebuttal, so why try?
@@EforElectric Showing arguments =/= throwing mud. You could show yours... if you had any. But of course, go with "ya'll too dumb to understand my genius". lol
IMO: I enjoyed reading all the technical analysis and inherent known and unknown issues with this technology, but as a non-scientist, I would say the hydrogen fuel "discs" would need to be substantially cheaper than BEV per mile for the average person to be willing to change out multiple 15lb., discs for every 20 miles of driving, as opposed to plugging in a cord.
The idea of using hydrogen as a fuel source appeals to me. Particularly, if the production of the hydrogen source is not as polluting as the mining of lithium, cobalt manganese etc. for the production of batteries. The thought of poisoning swathes of child labour in third world countries so we can drive to the supermarket in our shiny ‘green’ cars takes away the pleasure of driving.
@@robertkemp9120 Old news. Batteries are getting less and less Cobalt, or even none. Batteries can be recycled for 99% and are the most efficient way to carry energy. All the steps involved in hydrogen cost 3-5 times as much, and that causes its own pollution again...
@@salipander6570 at the moment
@@salipander6570 Show me one - ONE commercial venture or fully subsidized venture to recycle energy-dense rechargeable batteries with 99% total material recovery - and I'll show you a marketing scheme. Not that this is the answer either; the issue is the inefficiency in energy consumption. Plus - if you are in the US, you are charging your electric car by burning coal or natural gas somewhere else (unless you are in a state with the entire grid powered by renewables (none right now) ). BEVs are not a bad technology, but it is not a silver bullet. The real problem is the general inefficiency of the current transportation system.
Think it was 15 miles per cartridge, 10 cartridges, 150 miles.
But what about the fact that it takes 3-4 times the energy to go the same distance as a BEV?
@@LG123ABC Well given trucking is all about cost per mile, who do you think the cost of 3-4 energy will be passed on to?
Plasma Kinetics sounds like a game changer! It does apply to long range trucking, extra terrestrial aircraft, and subterranean vehicles. Plus it's produced at windmills!
Windmills were qreat for grinding wheat. But for making hydrogen? I don't know. Not a single wind powered generation scheme has ever made a profit. They are all subsidized. That is not a good sign.
I have questions. How much power does the laser used to liberate the hydrogen need?
How much do the cassettes weigh?
How many cassettes per car and what driving distance will each cassette give?
What is the cost of transporting the cassettes from place to place?
Storing on film sounds like a very bad idea, ever seen a cassette tape all tangled up?
I did a ton of math on a post here. it all comes out to junk. he said 15 lbs (guessing this is cassette size) for 20 miles. by the time you drop fuel tank/battery weight for an HEV you will have half (or less) the range per lb. and for a full EV you gain range but the cost/resources of transporting the cassettes its all worthless no matter what vehicle type you apply this too.
When I see a proof of concept driving around I will take this more seriously. I've seen to many products that sound good but go no where.
I drove a hydrogen-powered car in 1977 with hydrogen stored as Iron Hydride. It was pressurized in a tank to charge it, then heated slightly to release the hydrogen. The drawback was it was quite heavy. The other problem was the H2 attacks the metals in the engine of a retrofitted ICE. This has a lot more potential. But the idea of “solid state hydrogen” storage is not new per se.
note that the car you mention used the hydrogen for combustion. In this new design the hydrogen will be used in a fuel cell to convert to electricity to run the electric motor in the car.
@@josev1544 And those fuel cells require rare earth metals and have to be swapped out and aren't exactly efficient... So not really getting anywhere new as it's still less efficient that gasoline by a few factors let alone even just a EV which despite all their inefficiencies are still better.
Nothing but respect for you sir. People are not smart enough to figure out that you can make your own Hydrogen for all kinds of applications for next to nothing!
@@flodjod Go to Amazon and buy a vial of Gallium. Go to the grocery store and buy a 6 pack of canned seltzer water or some other drink. Buy some sandpaper and a jug of distilled water while you're there. Go home and get a glass bowl or something. Put the distilled water in the bowl. Use the sandpaper on the empty aluminum cans (they must be made of aluminum). Abrading the bottom should be enough. Paint or place a bit of Gallium on the sandpapered spot on your can. Put the can into the distilled water. Gratz, you just made "Hydrogen". Now tell me again what the pollutant and "cost factor" of the grocery list is. O_o
@@alfredharrison597 yes, you are absolutely correct, I agree with you
You should have Elizabeth Holmes from Theranos on next, because _that_ "BANNED Technology Could Push Medical Testing Over Current Technologies."
I don't even expect you to inform your audience what happened to her company...
Questions to ask usually left untouched are :
(1) $ expense per km travelled comparison?
(2) kWh per kg energy density comparison?
(3) energy/fuel production carbon foot print?
I would add: who is investing in PK?
Your questions are years ahead development. It would take an Elon Musk lookalike to get this technology available to you in the next five years. This technology could save billions of humans from the destructive force of fossil and fissile fuels.
Going on the data provided.. 15 lb unit gives 20 miles travel,...i would estimate that each of those units provides about 200-250 gms of H2 at best.
@ approx 25-30 kwh per kg H2 ( from the fuel cell) , that would suggest 5-7 kWh per unit..
So possibly near to 1kWh per kg ?
Note a 20 kg “bottle” can store 5 kg of H2 (100-150kWh) ,..or 5-7kWh per kg of bottle weight !
This was high on hype, and low on detail. If it worked - where is the car that its being used on? A motorbike, OK, a bench engine? And they've been working on it for years? The technology is real enough - a metal hydride can absorb hydrogen. And its a clever innovation to make a thin strip to absorb hydrogen under pressure, and then release it with a laser light. But as we know, making something that works in a lab, under ideal conditions, may be far more difficult to scale in the real world. We do need other energy sources and methods, and this may provide one link in the chain. Hydrogen still needs to be made cleanly though.
If they had anything working, they'd have shown it. The numbers are just nonsense.
@@chuckschumer7783 Rip van Winkel "Wake me up when they can run a car on it ."
It's fake, and that's why the Feds stopped them? Because it was fake? LOL
from the video they're suggesting half the cost of current hydrogen comes from the need to compress it to 10000 psi - that just goes away.
@@DanielASchaeffer that is an incorrect suggestion. There is enough inefficiency in the production and usage of hydrogen to make it uneconomic even ignoring compression energy losses
I think that all technologies for vehicles will have their strong and weak points as well as best suited scenarios. EV's for instance for me are the perfect daily driver to work and back. But I have a heavy boat to tow and also a large trailer that I use. Diesel at the moment gives me the pulling power, economy and range that I need, this is why I also have a diesel 4x4. I cannot imagine any other technology taking its place.
Definitely shows central planners government wants total control. We could be flying like the Jetsons by now
Why not , You can get more Torque from electric motors and gears than any combustion engine ...
@@keithbill310 ghe economics of a battery large enough don't work out in that use case. The initial carbon cost of that li-ion battery only makes sense if you are commuting to and from your home 4-7 times a week. If you are pulling a huge trailer or boat, maybe a dozen times a year, then the ICE engine makes a lot more sense, economically and environmentally. Also, consider that many trailers and boats will be taken to rural areas with little infrastructure.
I'm sorry but this just smells like another Nikola. Have they even actually demonstrated extracting hydrogen from these things at a rate fast enough to feed a car? Plus imagine swapping out 300 POUNDS worth of discs just to get 400 miles of range. Sure, BEV batteries weigh a lot more but you're also not swapping them out with every refill. The discs sound like nothing more than a solid storage medium for the hydrogen that eliminates a pressurized tank. I would think consumers would pick pumping pure "weightless" hydrogen into a permanent tank than swapping 300 pounds of discs every 400 miles.
Maybe you missed it, but it was Sandy Munro who brought this company into the conversation.
Have faith, Tesla doesn't have to be the only player in the fight against ICE car manufacturers.
If it happens to turn out, then it's a positive, if it doesn't, your Tesla shares will skyrocket.
Either way, just sit back & wait it out.
@@CNile-se9xw Yes, I made a similar post on Sandy's video about a week ago. He's well respected in his field but I'm pretty sure this is not his field and he probably knows about as much as the rest of us about hydrogen discs (next to nothing). I believe he even said that in his video. So your advice is good advice: wait it out. I wouldn't invest in this with YOUR money. ;)
@Joe Amodeo I think it's more logical to compare things moving forward rather than going back a century. Henry Ford would have thought a flip phone is MAGIC!
they're suggesting that half the current cost of hydrogen comes from having to crygenically store it at 10000 psi. That cost just goes away.
I have had a miniature hydrogen electric car for over a decade. I use it for studies and teaching this technology.
I can't see it ever getting cost parity with EVs. Hydrogen production will always be more expensive than making electricity and transporting electricity to where you need it is always easier. For applications where light weight is a must I could see it working though.
Yeah, but you are completely overlooking the cost and resources required to build massive battery packs for EV's. These batteries wear out quickly due to the frequent charge and discharge cycle. 'Fast charging' significantly reduces battery longevity. Additionally, these batteries are ridiculously expensive to replace and difficult to recycle.
You are also assuming that you need wind power or solar to crack water molecules to make hydrogen. There is technology in Western Canada to derive hydrogen from oil and gas deposits directly leaving carbon sequestered in the original resevoir. Look up Proton Technologies.
@@fancyesquire8888 you do know Tesla EVs that have been supercharged exclusively, used with Fleet Services with over 300K miles have lost only about 10 to 11% of their range right?
EV's batteries do not last forever. They lose performance over time. About range, lots of EV users do not charge their batteries to 100% most of the time, because the last 15% ar harder to get charged. EV;s batteries lose performance in cold and warm weather, sometimes alot. All things which can be improved .
@@fancyesquire8888 Sorry, I must correct you there, EV Battery packs do not wear out quickly. Also the cost of them is reducing rapidly, and they are not difficult to recycle, there are many companies already recycling them.
No. Simply no. Lets see a working model please.
Best case scenario: It makes the Tank cheaper. But more expensive parts of a hydrogen system is the production of hydrogen and the hydrogen cell.
So the best case scenario for e-cars with hydrogen is still not enough to have chance against e-cars with batteries.
But hydrogen has a future in many other usages: Air-plains, Backup-Power-Supplies, Long-time-Storage (store energy in summer and use it in winter); maybe trucks (if autonomous, otherwise regulatory will order "charge"-breaks for the driver)
Yeah, you can't really get around the fact that running on hydrogen takes twice as much energy per mile. Also, BEVs are far enough along that people will get hooked on the fact that they can recharge at home. I don't think it will be long before apartments and rentals will start installing charging to attract more tenants.
@@jonathangourlie9098 You forgot trucks, planes and ships which would benefit so much from this tech. BEV tech is good but they are only for cars. Of course, whatever is claimed in this video can be vaporware so I'm looking forward for them to have an actual running product before comparing.
Although this company doesn't solve the H2 problem, in theory H2 can be a better option for home charging if you remove the high pressure tanks (safety) and develop a more cost effective electrolysis machines. Something you can install in your garage, even use a regular 110V outlet + water connection as long as you have enough cartridges to charge. Let's say you have a 50mile commute on a certain day, you grab 2 cartridges and you're good to go, while the system continues charging the rest of the cartridges. If you're going on a long trip, you could maybe cram in 1500 miles worth of cartridges and never have to refuel.
Utilities would have to provide cheaper rates for home-h2 stations, which could be in their favor since its a more steady load on the system instead of ev chargers. Also if you have your own solar, I'm sure the utility would prefer you don't sell them electricity but instead convert to h2 locally.
Sounds like it also makes the Hydrogen lifecycle more efficient by avoiding the need to compress the hydrogen. On the other hand, it only stores hydrogen at the equivalent density of a 300 bar tank. Compared to 700 bar in conventional fuel cell vehicles like the Mirai.
Apartments? Have you lived in an apartment? You can't leave a charger going overnight unattended. You can't leave anything out. By morning all the chargers and cables will be gone. You can't even leave a chained up bike out unattended overnight.
Fascinating technology .I read about it somewhere and I could not find it again when I wanted to browse it . I think this technology will revolutionize fuel cell technology . Thanks for covering this very interesting and promising technology .
Finally! A use for all those AOL disks we got in the mail!
hmmmmm. I just wish there was a way I didnt have to go to a "refueling" station. Someone needs to come up with some technology that allows you to refuel at your convenience, like maybe at home. Even better would be if you wake up full of energy everyday. Maybe one day.
Yeah, I think he said you could swap out your cassette at home, but eventually you're off to Wal-Mart for a Hydrogen exchange. And I agree. That's too bad.
@@garybrotherton5732 I think he’s saying you can already wake up to a full charge with EVs today
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Electrolysis, super easy look it up.
@@YellowVtec The theory is super simple. Actually doing it in the real world and storing the hydrogen is an entirely different matter.
This technology is the cold fusion of the 2020s. So many youtubers are going to go down with it.
Thanks for sharing, but the most valuable question is Energy density and system efficiency, A battery soon will be about 400W/Kg, to charge a battery from the grid it's about 15%, so how much is the energy density of each of your unit, W/kg and how much energy needed to store the amount of Hydrogen and to release it directly to the fuel cell?
Energy density of compressed hydrogen approx 5 kwh/kg. For this disks 0.05 kwh/kg. So same energy amount takes 100x more weight.
Hydrogen is not green energy. It is produced by either two methods. One. Separate the hydrogen and oxygen atoms in water which requires a lot of electricity. Two. Hydrogen is a by-product of the reformation of hexane molecules which are a straight chain 6 carbon and 7 hydrogen atoms. The catylist in the reformer removes one hydrogen atom which forces the hexane molecule to form a circular molecule called an olefin. This is gasoline . The removed hydrogen atom is then compressed and stored or simply burned off at the refinery flare. So to recap, either use heaps of electricity to produce it, or keep making gasoline.
This is not going to be competitive with BEVs. You just can't beat charging in the garage, and the round trip efficiency, BUT, this could be killer in an electric airplane, or ships crossing the ocean.
Ships crossing the ocean could simply use natural gas (which is Much cheaper than electrolyzed H2 - and less polluting than Blue H2 - produced from nat gas).
3 times better energy density than batteries won't cut it for airliners. Even 10x better wouldn't ! I've run the 'sums'.
@@grahamstevenson1740 That depends on the plane. There's still a long way to go for long haul flights, but airlines are already placing orders for small short haul battery electric planes. The amount of money that airlines spend on fuel is crazy, so saving that cost would make a huge difference to the profitability of those short haul flights. These first ones will be not much bigger than a business jet, but still plenty for many domestic flights.
I think they will take off in a big way when they are scaled up a little more to the size of an Airbus A320. At that point they can be used for pretty much all short haul flights.
Airbus and Boeing are both looking into hydrogen for long haul, but they're not at a stage of designing a product yet as far as I'm aware, so fossil-free long haul is still quite a long way off.
@@grahamstevenson1740 I haven't run the numbers, and don't know how, but Elon said batteries would need to be at 400wh/kg and they are at 260. 260 x 3 is 780.
@@avgjoe5969Of course what you say is true today, but in theory, if somebody can make a cheap enough electrolyzer, and we go 100% renewables for electricity generation and heating and cooling, then there will be times when electricity prices are very low, and so green hydrogen could become competitive. Obviously, those are a lot of ifs.
Port Pirie South Australia will be building a huge Green Hydrogen plant by 2025, we have to dredge the river to support bigger ships to carry the gas to the world.
I'm not the most fond of hydrogen tech, buuuuut I'm open to it
This is a very fascinating concept.
I would be interested as to how it goes.
If you are finding resistance in the USA then I think that there are other counties where you might get a better hearing, I have no idea as to how the Australian authorities would view it but I suspect that over here you would get a fair chance with the idea although we haven't the same population to support it.
We do need to know estimated costs of conversion etc, but obviously these would shrink with more uptake of the idea.
Britain dont want it i can tell you that, fairy land technology is best kept were it was invented very much a fission scam at room temp jobby.
For Paul: You might want to reconsider Arizona, if your manufacturing tech uses much water. Lake Mead is drying up, and Arizona will suffer water shortages because of that. I want to see this tech develop, and not suffer because of lack of water.
This comment is on point!! Hope they see it,
Should be at top of
It is INSANE and they are going to be making FABs there which require millions of gallons of fresh water per day. They usually recycle a large portion like 80% but it is a staggering amount that goes back into the system to go back out to sea.
Some are being built in Texas, Arizona, and I think talks for somewhere else that is arid.
Also fun fact. What plant of crop uses the most fresh water in America? Probably some staple crop right? Nope! Fucking GRASS and it is mandatory to grow the shit for a lot of home owners. It is ridiculous.
We just waste water like no tomorrow. Everyone likes the hot weather too and is moving to areas where you have AC or potentially die some days, and or need lots of water which is quickly drying up. Heats only going to get worse and since hot air holds more water we are screwing ourselves.
We just gotta be smarter. That's all I'm saying.
Why generate electric , then convert to hydrogen , then use energy to retrieve the stored hydrogen to go
through another conversion back to electric to power the vehicle, with every conversion inserting another
lose in the cycle ? This seems like the metal hydrides storage system in another format.
How long is the shelf life because hydrogen is hard to contain in any way?
Sadly soon all combustion cars including classics will be banned from public streets in entire EU and Scandinavia :-(
In Germany the Green Peoples Party gave order to shorten fuel supply from 2025
on by reducing all conventional fuel stations to only one state operated central gas station per city or county. Now they want to slow down all the gas station pumps from 20 litre per minute to 2 litre per minute...From 2027 on in the EU certain car spare parts will be banned too....as exhaust systems, turbo chargers and even some engine and gearbox oils...California and New York will do the same from 2027 on.... So no investments should be done in oil burning cars any longer....They even created a new kind of crime here, called emissions and smoke crime.!!!!
This interview made me really suspicious
He seemed intent on NOT answering your question about weight and range. Then when he did, he answered it in miles per pound (20 miles range for 15 pounds of cartridges). No engineer would answer in just miles, he'd answer in KWH, or quantity of H per second. not miles. He seemed to struggle to answer your specific questions, like he was trying to remember from his preparations for the interview.
You should have asked what the rate of production is from the cartridge. How much hydrogen can it produce, and how much electricity?
I assume that a battery is still required. I doubt the Hydrogen powercell can ramp load up and down as quickly as required in an EV. plus, you want someplace to store regen power, right? So, now you have an electric motor, a smallish (say 15-20kwH like the Volt) battery, a hydrogen converter, and this system to convert cartridges to hydrogen, and the pack to hold the cartridges. Sounds like a lot of complexity for a car. It may make sense for larger applications like a semi, boat or a plane.
I hope this works, and that it is amazing as he thinks. I still like the convenience of charging at home for free off my solar panels.
he is trying to dumb it down for uh .... me
Sounds like the Pogue Carburetor on a Cold Fusion engine.
You are correct it makes sense, for on-highway semis, locomotives, trains, tractors, planes, RVs, and standby power generation. It also makes sense for cars unless the vehicle produces less than 201MPGe. In the near future, you may be seeing Li-ion vehicles going over 201-MPGe but not heavy vehicles. Solid-state hydrogen's energy density gravimetric is 1000 Wh/kg which is 870Wh/kg less than compressed hydrogen and 870Wh/kg greater than lithium-ion batteries. Right now my company produces hydrogen using PEM electrolyzer systems which are running our power trains on Semi-Trucks, busses, and locomotives in Europe. We also flew our first hydrogen plane in April. To reduce our carbon footprint we need to change to renewable power back at the utility. The immediate advantage of this technology over batteries is you could run all the nuclear plants full power.to produce hydrogen. Nuclear plants cannot handle peaking.
Look closely. He was reading part of his answers from a prompter.
Scammers.. utter rubbish ..
.. you should be ashamed of yourself..
300 lbs = 400 miles. Use electricity to make hydrogen, then truck the disks to ~fueling~ stations. Fuel cell converts to electricity to power the cars. Politicians will love that it maintains and even increases the number of trucking jobs and saves / converts the gas stations. I'd rather just send the electricity over transmission lines (or use solar panels) to charge my car at home. I'm not saying that this technology is fake; I just don't want it.
Transmission lines are efficient but not that efficient. Your transmission line and high voltage transformers lead to high losses. Either way you're going to have to rely on something like this in the future to charge your bEV vehicle. DC fast charging works OK for now. Once you hit critical mass we won't be able to offer 150kW charging for 5 million vehicles at the same time just off the grid.
@@wakannnai1 According to Schneider Electric, the total losses from power plant to consumer wall outlet are 8-15%. This does not include the efficiency of energy production, but it does account for step-up transformers, transmission lines, step-down transformers & power lines. We currently have a big shortage of truck drivers in America, so I hope we can improve the electric grid here, rather than hire and train all of those truckers. I may be wrong. We'll know in ten years. FULL DISCLOSURE: I drive a Toyota Prius, but I invest in TSLA.
This is like listening to the inventor of a perpetual motion machine. If you use energy to isolate hydrogen, then use energy to make a product, and then use energy to produce electricity, it will never compete with a battery for a car--or for a smartphone! It's just ridiculous to even discuss it.
The requirement is for mobile energy you can take with you. Efficiency doesn't matter much if it's 'Good Enough'™'. Gasoline more or less proves that: 25% efficient. If this was zero emissions and supplied 'adequate' range, it might be 'Good Enough'™'. We'll find out soon enough. :-)
@@SteveWithers Gasoline became the default because it was cheap, and plentiful. Fuel cells aren't going to beat BEVs. They require infrastructure that doesn't exist, and because of the multiple conversions... electricity->hydrogen->solid state media->hydrogen->electricity, there is no way it is going to be as efficient as BEVs, that use an already existing infrastructure (the electric grid).
@@jeremypmerrill I agree about fuel cells. Did you watch the video? These cartridges release H on demand. A different thing. Absolutely less efficient than batteries, but maybe cheaper for car makers to make cars......and they don't have to be battery experts with their own battery factories.
I have long thought that batteries and EVs are not the ultimate answer and certainly should not be the only answer we consider. Although there are probably still more questions than answers right now on the viability of this technology, when you see the rate of progress they have made so far, it really is within the bounds of probability they can refine this technology further and overcome most of these obstacles. Sadly, it will most likely be vested interests of the elite who have already put their money in regular EV technology which could end up burying this.
Lithium Batteries are just as bad as oil.
EV's are the way to go, YES , but we need to get rid of the Lithium.
Luckily lithium can be recycled. Oil cannot
@@ThomasBomb45 um, yes oil can be recycled , it's called plastic.
FYI - drilling for oil has a lower environmental impact than mining for lithium.
I would like to know if this film slowly leaks hydrogen over time when it is not being hit by the LASER. Once the film is loaded with hydrogen, for how long can it be stored without it losing a significant amount of the hydrogen?
forever...it takes a laser to release it
@@HelloWorld-ql3ki that's not necessarily definitive though. A laser is light. It may just require a laser to release the gas quickly enough to use in a car.
The laser hydride disk approach is better than carrying pressurized hydrogen on board, however, need for a machine to exchange those 15Lb/20 mile units may be a show stopper. It is unclear how this will be able to compete with many of the recent improvements in battery technology. That said, it is good to have this out there as an option.
Hydrogen is the way to go its truly a clean fuel.Driving an electric car spews exactly the same pollution as a gas car in otherwords electric cars are fools gold.Almost all electric power plants depend on fossil fuels to generate electricity and many are coal fired My point is electric cars are cool but definetly not environmentally friendly because they depend on fossil fuel and coal to recharge their batteries.Oh and we don't have enough lithium,cobalt or nickel to produce millions of batteries leave alone billions so....Go Hydrogen...
This would be great for storing "waste eletricity" of e.g. windparks on overwhelmed grids
@Robert Cote What? Energy companies can store it as well, to sell to vehicle owners or "stations" that provide this service in the future.
My thoughts exactly! Electrolysis to Hydrogen is a great way to store excess energy. Storage is key for a renewable generated electrical grid future! I could envision H2 being produced for long term storage, and more efficient battery storage for balancing the shorter term energy fluctuations.
@4:38 "So it was too good to be out there." You'd be amazed at the mundane, low-tech things restricted under ITAR.
So their material releases energy by shining a light on it. Which requires... ?
A laser. High power, no doubt...
ITAR essentially restricts the export of certain components that would give other nations a competitive advantage, usually military. Radiation hardened versions of components, esoteric materials, rocket nozzle designs and clearly the film based storage of hydrogen.
What really bugs me about all these different ways of using Hydrogen as fuel is why are they not pursuing Hydrogen On Demand, HOD. Stanley Meyers was very successful at this before he died.
I heard about the basics of this technology more than 10 years ago. The individual who developed the nickel metal hydride battery was talking about storing hydrogen safely in a solid substance. This was before the Lithium battery was optimized. This does fall into the to good to be true category, but it is getting more real all of the time.
This was going to be the norm 10 years ago....In 2000 Ford in the US and BMW in Europe were working on a standardized delivery system and infrastructure. The first hurdle was making the process at least as safe as gasoline engines and filling. That happened in the 1990's
Metal Hydride is real.
Toyota is not an electrification denier. They just refuse doing it the wrong way, like everybody else.
What is the hydrogen gravimetric density of your storage system including the lazer system? Thanks
I would love to see this technology demonstrated. It sounds like total fiction. Somebody needs to put this to work someplace to show how well it works over time.
Exactly, what if I told you that it sounds too good to be true, because it _is_ too good to be true?
@@electric7487 I have heard of people that were working on hydrogen vehicles in the past. I have not seen it yet. This video makes no sense to me. I have an engineering background including an understanding of chemistry. I understand how a CD works. This is a waste of my time. Please forgive me.
@@sidoliveira3246 What does 'how a CD works' have to do with anything? Your engineering cred is becoming suspect. And this isn't a 'hydrogen vehicle', it is a hydrogen storage device.
Hydrogen cars have already been available for purchase from at least three car companies. They aren't just 'working on them', they work. And why do you beg forgiveness? You are weird, Marcy.
@@MrJdsenior John that reply goes back a while now. I can't even remember what the video was about. I was a good student. In high school we had two weeks of academics and then two weeks of shop. I studied electronics technology. Graduated top ten. Highest honors. At the university I majored in electrical engineering technology. I studied psychology as well. There were other classes such as physics and chemistry. Most of my classes were within my major. I became a member of the IEEE at the end of my second year. I dropped out after completing two years. I completed 64 credits. The university was known as SMU. Now it is called UMass Dartmouth. I'm 50 years old and very rusty. I am being totally honest. There are other things that I have interest in. Peace be with you. I hope.
@@sidoliveira3246 I got you beat by 14 years, so yeah, I'm totally with you on the senior moment stuff. I did my EE (actually called Engineering, with an Electrical option-very core intensive) from UCF and did mostly defense contract design afterward, for one of the current big (biggest, actually) three.
Sorry if I came across a bit brutal, my bad. My father was a physics graduate of U Conn. and once he told someone where he went to school and they looked at him incredulously and asked "In Canada?".
I don't know what you went on to do, but I can tell you that working as an engineer was not exactly entirely a utopia, just in case you were wondering. The documentation requirements for military equipment design can drive you to wondering why you didn't take up 'sticking yourself in the eye with a pencil' as an alternate 'career choice'. Some of it was a lot of fun, a lot of it, not so much.
Cheers....and it sounds like you were more serious about school, while you were there, than I was. I did alright, not even remotely top ten. Like most everyone I often wonder what it would have been like to do something else. I think if I had it to do all over again I think I might have chosen to study to be a veterinarian. I'm sure I would have found plenty wrong with that, too. :-/ :-)
I've heard that to make hydrogen is very expensive and 40% of the energy used to make hydrogen pollutes the air greatly...Wide-scale blue hydrogen production would therefore still release millions of tonnes of emissions every year. With the UK and the EU aiming for net-zero emissions by 2050, a reliance on blue hydrogen would make such a target extremely difficult.
Very interesting interview. Will it really be cheaper and more convenient to use this solid form of hydrogen instead of batteries? Batteries too are still getting cleaner, more reusable and cheaper all the time. What will the business case be for solid state hydrogen disks in the equation of batteries continuously and substantially dropping in price for years to come? Anyway there will some good use for solid hydrogen tech as proposed in the video.
no
Not in the next 10 years maybe more if solid state batteries come on the market but this is a new technology with alot of room for improvement
Its energy density is more than 2x what we currently have available commercially so the best use scenario for this tech would realistically be helicopters airplanes and autonomous air vehicles because our current density doesn't allow anything but very small airplanes, very light and very expensive with exquisite materials with only one passenger but the energy density on this could very realistically allow for much larger air vehicles
These fools did zero research on the subject and made a whole video about it
Batteries have to carry all the chemical reactants around with them while historically, IC engines took the fuel with them and got the oxidizer from the air. Fuel to air ratio on a conventional gasoline engine is roughly 15 parts of air to one part of fuel. Air is about 20 pct oxygen, bur separating the two is expensive.
This doesn’t address the problem with hydrogen which is that it is inefficient. Hydrogen will still cost 3x as much per mile. The storage system is irrelevant to this.
What's your time worth?
@@spazoq So if you're in that much of a hurry refuel with gaseous H2 instead of farting around with swapping hydride canisters.
the video claims half the cost of today's hydrogen comes from compression and cryogenic storage - all of which goes away.
i was at the 11mins mark, and had a flashback of 2001... iwth HAL asking "what are you doing...?" scene when the micro chip cells were being extracted from HALs Banks...
Bogus. The physics doesn't hold up.
Says the guy who didn't even bother uploading a picture to his profile
@@EforElectric oooooh, what a roast! instead of coming back with a scientific argument, go personal! that will surely convince everyone that the entire content of the video is not bullshit :D
While I respect Sandy for some information, he's an investor. I take everything he says with a grain of salt.
The process of getting to hydrogren into a tank is IMO worse than ICE, from start to finish. There are so many energy conversions and you're still using fossil fuels which means you keep having to find oil in ever harder places to remove it from.
By the end of the decade battery tech is going to be SO good people will be wondering why there was ever a discussion about hydrogen. Battery tech is getting safer. Trying to keep hydrogen a safe technology is what you get with that technology.
An infrastructure made for refilling hydrogen is never going to be safe. It is at best controlled. You add 20,000 charge stations around the US and statistically it's almost IMPOSSIBLE to say there won't be an explosion. And it will kill people. I have no faith that an industry that tries to make as much profit as possible AND has had many accidents moving oil is going to maintain tens of thousands of charge stations.
I just saw the results of a study. The price of EV batteries is not going to come down with time, in fact, it’s going to skyrocket in price because of the shortage of lithium, cobalt, and the price of copper, three key ingredients needed to make EV batteries..
a motorcycle buddy of mine has an electric motorcycle, not a zero. This is the one with a manual six speed transmission and a clutch. I forget the name.
I won’t go into the details of how his batteries went bad because he left the key on intentionally to discharge them, thinking that when he recharges them, they would give him more range and take more of a charge.
after doing tests over the phone with the factory technicians. They told him his battery is toast. He needs a new battery pack. He asked how much are they..
The battery pack for his motorcycle has seven batteries. Or battery cells. Each battery cost $6000. The total for a new battery pack is $42,000..
there are videos right here on TH-cam of people that have Nissan leaf electric cars. Their cars need a new battery. Their cars do not have a lot of miles on them, but they are older. Which means, the batteries cost more to replace than the car is worth, and the price of the batteries is not coming down like they said it would , Because of the cost of raw materials to make the batteries.
another complaint by the Nissan leaf owners is, you can’t just go to your mechanic you went to for decades at the corner garage. You have to take your Nissan leaf to the dealership where the mechanics are licensed to work on electric vehicles..
in cold climates, the range we can operate a Nissan leaf is cut in half, and the heaters are not that great in the winter with an EV.
Great Britain is going with hydrogen. The engines can be worked on by the tens of thousands of current automobile mechanics because it is a internal combustion engine that just happens to run on hydrogen. You don’t have to teach tens of thousands of mechanics how to work on EV vehicles.
I keep my vehicles a long time. I have never been without a truck since I was 19 years old. I had my first brand new van, a Ford Econoline for 31 years. How many batteries when I have had to by in 31 years.
My friend with the electric motorcycle that needed a $42,000 battery. He ended up selling the motorcycle for parts on eBay
The US military complex has stifled technological progress for their own goals, irrespective of public good. This has to stop.
Who on earth wants to go looking for a hydrogen filling point when you can charge at home? It's crazy. The big oil companies desperately want hydrogen to succeed, then they can continue to control the market and the price, as they always did with gas and diesel.
Exactly.
Spot on. But also, Governments would also then have control of the taxation level for the fuel for cars. They can't do that with an electric plug at someone's home without causing massive pushback.
You are still a slave to power corporations who you pay your elec. bill to. Don't kid yourself. Also what are you going to do when BEV's become more adopted and there are no more "gas" stations and summer hits and you have blackouts because the power grid cant handle the stress of everyone charging their wonderful electric cars? I think H2 is the wave of the future, but allowing customers to make their own hydrogen and fill their own cars with it (without the "OILigarchs" and the power companies controlling their lives!) is the ONLY thing thats going to allow it to happen.
Have a mechanical direct connect to the axle of EVs and solar, to super charge them. No more plugging in, no fuel and plenty of extra energy to transfer to the power grid for everyone else.
Interesting particularly for green energy storage transport and later release however I wish you had asked about how much energy the laser will require and reprocessing the spent storage medium also the safety of the storage medium environmentally and otherwise cheers
Great Stuff! I don't own an EV, If we are moving away from fossil fuel, we need something better than lithium, mining lithium is bad as drilling crude, the environmental impact, which nobody is talking about, after having seen a lithium mine in asia, This tec looks very promising, I hope this technology suceeds and thanks for bring it to us
I owned an Aurora and a Jetta for 10 years. My wife kept meticulous service records and when I added up the service cost comparison the VW was much more costly.
How can people just write this off if they haven't even made it come to market yet? I think this definitely has potential and will be very eager to watch it's progress
Because some of us understand chemistry and the laws of thermodynamics. So yeah, anyone that thinks hydrogen has potential can't do math.
It's a neat technology, but the hydrogen is still too expensive to produce, and that's it's biggest cost. You need energy to drill a natural gas well, you need energy to transport that natural gas, more energy to steam reform the natural gas to extract the hydrogen and then deal with the left over waste. Then again you need energy to store and transport that hydrogen, more energy to embed the hydrogen in the film, and yet again more energy to release the hydrogen from the film to feed the fuel cell, which then creates electricity. With a battery, you plug in and charge, 1 step to get the energy to your vehicle and use it.
@@michaelkeudel8770 then why is oil still so profitable? Gas cars aren’t efficient either yet everyone uses them
@@roystevens4333 and yet we already see hydrogen cars on the road, what’s your point?
@@michaelkeudel8770 lmao that’s a gross oversimplification of battery tech, by that logic you just put in a disk and it works, or you fill up the tank and it works
To be able to swap out disc's or cylinders would be a very welcome alternative to the ICE car I now have simply because I can stockpile them for my off-grid lifestyle...now if I could replace propane with something that can provide the 4,000 to 10,000 BTU I need in the winter to heat and also cook then I can keep my Cabin free of a woodstove and then finally have heat without flammable explosive gases...I'm in the northeastern part of Washington State and we only get low angle 6 hours of light for the winter and it's mostly cloudy and overcast so solar power is not much help...wind power is doable but we would need large battery storage as with solar for its intermittent nature...solar has periods of no light or greatly reduced productivity...the Fuel Cell Hydrogen Disc's and Cylinders would make my off-grid lifestyle a lot more productive and enjoyable...and if I also incorporated the solar and wind methods I could conceiveably provide my own relayering my used disca or cylinders and be truely self powerd...I could probably even "generate" my own water by takeing the O2 from the electrolytes and run it through a sucsion pump to recombine the O2 useing heat with the plentiful Hydrogen in the air...at least in theory and my knowledge base...but frankly this could be a very good thing because I could regain the use of a dead ICE generator that provides 3400 watts compared to the replacement of only 1800 watts but uses far less gasoline for 12 hours of runtime at 1/4 load capacity...the other generator that broke.internally I could replace the ice with a Hydrogen motor and be off to the races with two gasoline generators converted to Hydrogen motors with this refill technology would be godsend boon for my preferred lifestyle and so many more doing the same as I am...I would so welcome this alternative because those propane bottles may be difficult when I'm 117 years old and still kicking like a mule...lol...but carrying heavy weighted items may be problematic then...a lightweight Hydrogen disc could be great for those desired times of nearly Continual power availability...yeah...by all means bring this tech to me before I'm too old to enjoy it...I'm 65...and still kicking like a horse...so if I can get into this stuff within the next 5 or so years I'd jump on it as soon as I could...I'd trade in my ICE car for a HYD car...oh...need a cabin heater though, it gets very cold here in the winter...thanks for reading my rather long comment.
FYI there is another hydrogen tank type, maybe it’s the same as you are talking about, bob lazar had a relatively low pressure tank that stored the hydrogen. There was something in the tank. I believe that thing was something used in nuclear weapons or something and therefore it was banned. But the hydrogen was not explosive and required low pressure so he could charge his hydrogen car back in the 90s with a solar panel.
Thanks for the overview, very interesting.
11:47
"Anything is possible".
Ah.. no... no it's not. There are going to be limits to the density. Same for lithium batteries. The theoretical limits are something we can calculate.
But that's not what has me a bit skeptical here. What has me skeptical is the elephant in the room. The same elephant that is currently sitting on the hood of the Mirai.
Platinum.
I'm open to correction here, but the only catalyst I'm aware of that is currently available for hydrogen fuel cells... is platinum.
30 grams or so per fuel cell.
Not only is this not sustainable long term for just the volume at 30 grams per vehicle... at only about 3 grams of platinum... next to your air bag catalytic converters are the number one high dollar item stolen from the cars.
In today's market, this is about $1,000 per car... that is a non negotiable price. And that's for a small car. For a truck you are talking 8-10X that.
The other thing I thought was odd that they didn't mention was that you still have to compress it. To about 600lbs. This adds a fair amount of complexity to any automotive system that is going to use this.
So while Sandy Monroe may have had his reasons for saying what he did in regards to this solving the battery availability problem... it opens a whole other can of worms.
And you are still swapping out 300lbs of hydrogen batteries every time you go to fill up. Moving that much weight is hard on equipment, expensive, and will probably need an operator at the swap out station so now you have to pay an extra salary.
@@Kiromos Everything about pushing hydrogen over electricity in batteries is all about desperately trying to maintain the status quo.
They are desperate to try and save the current business model of not only dealerships but also fuel distribution.
I just returned from a short out of town trip that did not exceed the range of my EV and it is now recharging in my garage on sunlight stored yesterday in batteries.
That's the last thing they want. And by they.. I mean not only the legacy auto manufacturers but also big oil... and even your own government.
This represents the greatest advancement in personal freedom since the repeating rifle. Something else that the government isn't too keen on.
This really is the answer, if there isn't some major catch like.."It explodes like C4 if you shoot it with a rifle" etc.
When something sounds to good to be true...it almost always is. The best engineers and minds in the world have ruled out hydrogen as a dead end.
Do a back of the envelope calculation and you'll see.
@@jamesvandamme7786 I did: BEVs are 3 times more efficient, cheaper to maintain and have a fraction of the cost per mile driven.
@@Makatea That's what I figured. But things could change if somebody comes up with a better idea. Like, using ammonia as a fuel. Gaseous H2 is a non-starter.
@@jamesvandamme7786 Any brilliant new idea will have to be vastly better than BEVs, because they'll have taken over the market by the time the new product goes into production and it'll be a lot harder for them than it was for BEVs to outperform ICE-cars.
@@Makatea That depends on the technology. this laser-disk-fuel cell thing has a lot of unknowns, gotchas, and "whoops we didn't think of that"s.
If somebody comes up with a cheap synthetic biofuel that burns in ICEs and pumps through the existing pipelines, that could change everything. Or a cheap fuel cell that runs on (m)ethanol. BEVs are short term doable; we just need solid state batteries in high volume to make them cheap. Charging stations will come; known technology.
In Bavaria, about 150 years ago, they came up with a very effective way to mine salt with water. It could put a 1,000 more than miners with picks and shovels….but they didn’t want to put thousands of miners out of work.
"It was banned because it was too good", hence starts every conspiracy theory.
Forget this...
There was an implemented project like this in Israel with station to swap batteries to avoid charging time, with Renault electric cars. Finally abandoned...
It's better to fuel with H2
Car makers will never agree on that
If this device is heavier than the H2 tanks, there is no way it's gonna make it
Proposed new rule: All videos promoting hydrogen that don't talk about turn around efficiency and cost of production are banned. Or at the very least there should be a disclaimer at the beginning of those videos that what is to follow is speculative BS ungrounded in reality.
Hydrogen is 15 bucks per kg and hard to store. Any solid state hydrogen would require energy to separate the fuel in order to use it. Wouldn't there be efficacy issues?
Changes nothing. Still have overall efficiency problem. 3x the energy/mile vs BEV.
850 miles before empty in the new Toyota Marai. 76 mpge. Hygrogen is going to be a major force someday.
Yes, but for long trips it is worth it for quick recharge
This pressure is similar to Hydraulic pressure, as used in army tanks. It is well known.
I wonder if we can develop solar panels better so they soak up more rays and then we can use mirrors to funnel more rays into a small area so we can have more mirrors than solar panels and vastly reduce the amount of solar panels required
I remember looking at Hydrogen and totally loved it when I first heard about it back in the 80's and 90's. But they explained back then, and it is still true today, they will not be able to go to H2 tech until they build the infrastructure so people can refuel wherever they go. Nobody was willing to develop refilling stations or add it to their gas stations. So the idea was dropped. They said we still might go to this eventually but we are more likely to go to battery cars first. Lo and behold that is exactly what is happening!
Nicely done Alex. Hope to hear more about this tech
I suppose this technology will be very useful for commericial applications. I doubt private car owners love this technology becuase it's just much more work to do than BEV.
Swapping out discs when you want to take a trip is a huge step backwards. I suppose this car would also come with a cassette deck. And comparing this to a bbq tank exchange is also not a good selling point. I DREAD having to haul that heavy ass container to get it refilled. Alex, he did not directly answer your question about how heavy and how far you can travel but he did indirectly if you do the math. He said this was less than 1/3 the weight of a battery for the same amount of energy. My battery pack weighs 1200 lbs and can drive 300 miles on a charge so this would come in around 400 lbs to be in the ballpark of similar range. But he also said batteries are "extremely efficient". This is another way of saying "our product is extremely inefficient" so no, probably not going to get anywhere close to the range.
He said 20 miles per 15 pounds. So 500 miles equates to 375 pounds or 170 kilos.
Hydrogen is very interesting. Once the expensive unreliable parts of the system are resolved it will be excellent. I think this will work better for larger long range vehicles like trucks first but I reckon as it miniaturises it will become viable across cars, motorcycles and one day laptops and phones. I think this will beat electric motorbikes as they are currently very limited on range.
Hydrogen as it is presently made (steam methane reforming) damages the environment through CO2 emissions (even if you try to do carbon capture and storage) and upstream fugitive methane emissions. When we have enough over-supply of renewable or nuclear electricity, we could start making hydrogen by electrolysis of water. The first priority for such green hydrogen should be to replace all the traditional uses of hydrogen, only then should we consider new applications such as transport (where the massively better efficiency of BEVs will make H2 uneconomic) and iron smelting
No, if you really think critically about it, hydrogen for road transportation is a really silly. If we'd want to run every car on clean energy, hydrogen would require 3 times more wind/solar/hydro/nuclear power to achieve the same utility in 'miles driven'. It ends right there, unless you're Shell and think you can delay the inevitable by making politicians and the general public think we have to wait for hydrogen to be ready.
@@bilgyno1 I didn't mean every car, I meant large scale transport like semis and trains. Germany already has hydrogen trains. I get what you mean about the embodied energy problem. Most complex machines suffer this as the manufacturing of them is the biggest environmental hit. Even electric cars are not green. They require a crapload of carbon pollution to make. Hydrogen may have a place but I agree it isn't the solution. I actually am a fan of hemp based ethanol, as hemp absorbs more C02 than trees, and ethanol burns very clean. It is basically a closed cycle. The real problem here is the size and weight of our cars. They don't need to weigh 2 tons. Most of the energy whether it is electric or combustion is used to haul the vehicle. We are just baggage. If you look up the Aptera electric car project ,which is well underway, you'll see what I mean. That is a true "green, eco vehicle."
I keep reading people referring to H2 used in an ICE - it is NOT suitable. The CSIRO in AUSTRALIA has solved the problems for the transport, storage and filling of H2 fuel cell powered vehicles. The fill time of the vehicle H2 tanks is similar to a petrol or compressed gas vehicle. Fuel cell vehicles are possible, now - IF the filling stations were in place. Have a safe and nice day all. CHEERS from AUSTRALIA.
Stanley Meyer did use LASER and also used a term called EASER to amplify the Energy siponing using Hydrogen atom☝️ these people have essentially followed his work😊
If the film can be recharged 100+ times, can that be done while it is still in the car? Or does it have to be swapped out and done at a specialized facility. In other words can they pump your car with hydrogen and refuel the ribbon? That would make it much more desirable.
for how much a government pays for their police force especially for Portland Oregon we could build I believe 83 of these factories. Let that sink in.
Hydrogen storage was invented back in the 70s then was suppressed by the government. It required no pressurized vessels.
Question: for a travel distance of 300 km how many hydrogen needed for a 4cyclinder car. How big or size of the tank to hold the hydrogen fuel?
The problem with solid state Hydrogen vehicles is that you have to recharge the Hydrogen periodically which can't be done like recharging/refueling EVs/ICE cars. You would need to have the car taken into a company that can swap out the PK Solid State hydrogen disks/Films/batteries.
That poses many downsides and new complications. It needs to be solved for it to come near Hydrogen FCEV'S or EV's refueling ease of operation.
I know a Chinese EV company has cars that have their battery swapped out by Robots in a drive in garage similar to a car wash.
I am definitely rooting for this technology. If half of what he says comes true, this will be much better and cheaper than electric cars; cheaper to acquire and cheaper to run.
Would love to see an electric alternative and glad toyota didn't throw in the towel with the Marai
It's a good looking car IMO, in the time being they should make a PHEV Lexus version.
@@andrewmeehan6151 agreed. Love the look inside and out
Because nothing says "Freedom" like being stuck driving in tight circles in the only state that has H2 stations (and one blew up not too long ago).
This is an obscenely expensive compliance car solution.
The fact that this iteration is Slightly less expensive doesn't make it a threat to the Way, Way simpler, more efficient EV.
@@avgjoe5969 The problem with the EV is price,
They are getting more expensive because the materials are in higher demand now.
@@andrewmeehan6151 Lithium isn't the problem people seem to think it is. Extraction from other sources is do-able. Cobalt being phased out. Nickel though.
That's a tough nut to crack for the higher performance vehicles like the Semi. Really can't do without it yet.
Here's my opinion since it's lighter, smaller and less efficient I think it is perfect for bikes where you don't need to be that much electricity-efficient
Instead of turning hydrogen into electricity couldn't the hydrogen be burned in a combustion engine?
This isn't a CD disk, it's a VCR Cassette!!! I love it! Just pop in a new cassette. Could you home charge a cassette? Get multiple cassettes for longer trips?
Utter BS. These guys are embarrasing.
Not as much as this comment.
this thing isn't going anywhere. it looks good on first sight and it might had a chance 20 years ago, but today the whole system is still far too complex and inefficient. Sandy got fooled by this. hydrogen is only good for big stationary storage if at all. it doesn't even make sense for trucking, as tesla will prove soon, and others will follow
Not the first time “Sandy” has been fooled by new tech.
Even the 4680 Tesla cell had him screwed up on pack size requirements.
If you have to replace the battery in your car what does it cost and how many miles does the battery last not charge cycles????
Because the government needed time to examine the patents and R&D the concept. Like when my grand dad developed the "Floatless" carburetor in the 40's. The government just outright claimed the patent was theirs and took his patents.
OK, so this solves the storage and delivery issues but:
1. how much energy is used to create and load the 'cassette' and how much is used to release the H2? I see inefficiencies creeping in here.
2. it doesn't solve the issue of sourcing the H2. Both steam reformation and electrolysis are very energy intensive and use more energy than you get out the other end.
3. nothing was said about the elephant in the room: batteries. All FCEV's need batteries as the fuel cell process only produces energy at a constant rate which doesn't work for acceleration. Batteries buffer the energy produced, as it's produced, so it's available when you need it. So if you need batteries anyway (admittedly fewer of them) why not just go the whole hog and get a BEV?
H2 is not an energy source. It is an energy transport medium. Electricity is an energy source so if you can store energy directly while simply plugging into the grid, why do you need the extra hassle of converting it to a transportable form only to turn it back again immediately before use?
Clever idea and it might have had a future had BEV's not already taken off but it only solves a couple of the drawbacks of hydrogen, not all of them. For an H2 tech to be viable, it needs to solve all of the problems while being demonstrably better than batteries. This is a step in the right direction, however, but nothing more than that.
Utter bull. The densest form of any gas is in its liquid state, there's no way of storing a significant amount of hydrogen on a disc or film unless it's so big a car wouldn't be able to move it. Either this is a hoax or your channel is completely irresponsible and hasn't given any serious thought to these claims. Sounds like something a pre school child would come up with.
It only needs to compare well against a battery and not liquid hydrogen which would be absurd.