Was it Worth Building These? | ft. Matthias Wandel
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- Building edge clamps started as a simple idea and escalated into a huge project with two collaborations!
Check out Matthias Wandel's video: • Testing joinery for ed...
and his channel: @matthiaswandel
Also, check out these channels:
CNC Kitchen: @CNCKitchen
Thespringguy: @thespringguy1
This Old Tony: @ThisOldTony
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This is the type of collaboration we need more of! Love that Matthias took part in this project.
& C&N kitchen w/ a This Old Tony cameo! Also glad to add thespringguy to my subs, looks like some interesting content to step up my spring game.
I want the clamps
Sehe ich auch so!
Except he totally ignored the results...
@@geekazoid47 Mathias said the double mortise and tenon joint and finger joint were strongest ones. It failed at the holes and reinforced ends, not at the joints. Marius then explained why he was going with the double morise and tenon joint for easier gluing and the number he had to do.
Hey everyone. Sorry for the confusion with the premiere. I thought to give it another try, but your responses clearly told me something else. WOn't happen again.
I'm looking forward to the live stream next Sunday 17th at 8pm (CEST) with Matthias and hope for some interesting questions.
if you want to do a premiere, dont make people wait a whole day for it. 30 min - 1 hour wait time max
@@ikbendusan Premieres simply suck. Not everybody wants to sit through the entire video, we're past that TV era. Even videos I love I still skip through some parts, and I really don't like not having that freedom. Also, comments are way better for interacting than a chat. Premieres are just the worst parts of videos and livestreams combined.
Great video, i liked it👍And I want the clamps !! 💪
The TH-cam premiere feature can be more irritating than helpful when not executed well. It's a letdown to see a new video from a TH-camr I love in my subscription feed, only to realize it's a premiere set to start 24 hours later. I was excited to watch it right away, so the long wait is frustrating. However, if the premiere were scheduled for just 30 minutes to an hour later, it would be a different story; I'd still get to enjoy the content the same day. Aside from that, I think the video concept is fantastic, and the giveaway is a wonderful gesture. Keep up the excellent work; I really enjoy seeing your creative process unfold.
I want the clamps
I think the only reason that the commercial clamps were able to exert more force, was that they had more rubber surface area. But like you said, it's plenty for gluing wood together. Nice build!
Thats the great thing bout woodworking. You dont want anything with excessive force as itll ruin the wood itsef hell look at a lot of tge old school clamps... they themselves are wooden.
@@aStranger_ Yes.
@@curry3734 While most material pairing have a relatively constant cof, pairings of which at least one element is rubber have a cof that sinks with rising contact pressure. Going by this most basic theory means spreading the load over a larger surface will give you a higher cof and therefore more grip for the same clamping force. The wet hill is not the right example in this case, since youre now comparing a dry polymer to solid body contact to a wet contact between a solid body (tire) and matter of undefined shape (dirt+grass).
Contact mechanics are a very complicated field field of engineering and even with all our modern technology it is not possible to reliably predict cof, even when you know the materials, surface shapes, roughness, roughness shape, load and relative velocity.
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contact_mechanics
@curry3734 in general the frictional force does not depend on the contact area. Spreading the same force over a larger area does not reduce the applied force. It only reduces the pressure (i.e. the force per unit area).
If you consider a very small portion of the contact area, then the force applied to that area is smaller when the total contact area increased. And thus that portion's contribution to the total frictional force is smaller. However, there are more small portions and so when you add up the effects of all the small portions you get the same total frictional force.
Now this model of friction isn't always correct, but it is fairly widely applicable.
The profile of the cam and stiffness/coefficient of rubber change the friction actually
"Clamps, give em the clamps!"
"Gee, you think? You think that maybe I should use these clamps that I use every single day at every opportunity?"
Great job!
The dumbest solution to a problem I've seen in a very long time. I solved it in less than three minutes using rubber bands around the entire finished product. To calibrate the pressure, add more rubber bands. If the finished product is too large to stretch the rubber band around it, use two clamps and two boards with nails in them to hold the rubber.
It would also help when using his solution to know strength grows by x when added at the width and x^2 when added at the height.
When making your own tools you need to think simpler to turn a streaming profit. He will never turn a profit with his brain, but he was able to show off a lot of unnecessary tools - at least for this task.
I love everything about this video, especially the engineering, the fabulously expensive tools, the collaboration, and your sense of humor.
15k in man hours, engineering, materials, plus having 50k in machinery, but saved 1500 bucks 😂😂TH-cam projects are hilarious.
@@Juzzler I mean it all adds up. Think about it. $50k in high end production tools makes sense. $1500 for a few clamps...nah.
@@Juzzler I generally dont walk around in my sparetime thinking about the cost per hour when doing hobby projects. Could I save a lot of time by directly buying the parts instead of making them myself? Sure, but that'd mean I'd have to put in extra hours at work and I don't get the enjoyment (frustration) and experience from learning by doing =)
"he used expensive tools to do something that I could do with simple, cheap tools if I weren't just an armchair quarterback!!!!"
-Do-nothing hacks
@@innominatum9906 Hey I'm glad you learned and had fun. You at least didn't try to sell the idea that it was cheap and easy. Far too many channels like yours will say "build your own clamps for 20 bucks!" then proceed as you did with 10's of thousands of dollars of equipment and engineering not included in the price. It gets annoying when you have an idea of the true cost of some of these projects. I'm also jealous you have time for it :P
This has to be one of the greatest woodworking projects I have ever seen. Makes me want to go to the makerspace and make one.
Or twenty LOL !
You've clearly not seen a lot then
I love the agile yet minimalistic mix of materials and methods! And those jigs and templates, I hope I can find out more about your setups 🤩
Next do a project requiring custom electronic circuits, preferably foregoing PCBs and utilizing the existing materials to interface with components 😏
I 2nd this, i'd love to see embeded electonics with circuits etched into the surface like majik sigils.
What a great breakdown of an interesting engineering challenge. I love that you you mention that they don't outperform the bought clamps, but *do* perform just fine for the intended job!
Yeah I liked this, the commercial ones were so expensive though
Yes I thought this build was great. I want the five clamps.
I loved this collab. Two wonderful engineers going far beyond the normal. They each also considered stressing the parts and finding their limits. Often, that is not done. Congrats to each of you.
What a professional approach and so much work, that's why I love people like that and I'm glad they exist and give us all joy and hope👍
That's great how you made them yourself AND you talk to Mathias as he seems to be the master. I watch many of his videos as well as yours. Thanks for sharing but I don't need the clamps. Hopefully you give them to someone that will have a good use for them. You rock bro.
Es ist einfach Wahnsinn, wie du an die verschiedenen Probleme ran gehst und Lösungen dafür findest.
Wenn man dir zuschaut denkt man, man befindet sich in der Produktentwicklung.
Meinen größten Respekt
You couldn't deny you're German, even if you wanted to. The excellent engineering and quality of all your work is why I've been watching you for years
The most german-engineer(revealing video for me was the "automatic" garbage can lid
LOL!!! ....and like a German, first instinct (his spring making) was to way over complicate the procedure. (T.I.B.S = Tool Induced Blindness Syndrome) ! LOL!😂😬
@@wingnutbert9685 But that's the most FUN part of it. Otherwise anyone could do it ;)
“Yes, I have tested the thread beyond any load it will realistically take and it survived. I’m still going to reinforce it more though.” 😅
Who doesn’t love a bit of German over-engineering?
Over engineering is usually good. But overly complicated engineering is a PITA! 🤣 @@Chimpiin
Marius, I love the stackability of your version. Very beautiful design!
I want the clamps!
I lived in Germany for 2 years, 1995-96, while working with steel construction engineers. This experience taught me why German engineering is the best. It's the way they approach a problem and the mind set. Marius is the epitome of this. Well done, again.
This is the kind of workshop project I am way too familiar with. Spending tonnes of time on tools/jigs/fixtures to do what I'm really supposed to do more perfect/"cheap"/simple. Absolutely premium content!
Marius, your work is really entertaining, and the video quality is outstanding. Your projects just getting better and better.
Love this project, and the detailed explanation of your design, building, and testing process. I just stumbled into your channel from my feed, and I'm glad I did! I can't wait to check out more of your content.
Thank you for posting your process. Very informative. You have patience, perseverance, discipline, an iterative design process, value quality, and good tools. Perfect, and rare, combination.
Amazing work. Your attention to detail and dedication to every component is great to watch.
I don't do any work with wood or any other material [I don't have a space to do it] but I'm addicted to videos of makers. You are, without a doubt, the most incredible. In addition to excellent engineering and design, you are a fantastic presenter. Hug from Lisbon, Portugal.
u dont need extra space..i started to make things in my living room. a garage or basement room will also work. just get started!!!
I live in the center of Lisbon, in an 18th century building, on the 5th floor without elevator, in an area with almost no parking and not a single garage. My house is 48m2 [a living room, 1 bedroom, 1 bathroom and an elementary kitchen. As you can see, there's not much space to find, but thanks for the encouraging suggestion :)@@woodbeard9861
Very cool! It’s interesting to see people reengineering tools like this.
My grandfather was a carpenter and i spent years working with him at the shop. making your own tools was a very common task but a much easier one since we didn't stop to film everything and setup the next shot.
Man, yet another fantastic project and video. A true inspiration!
What a phenomenal collaboration! Very much enjoy seeing you two working together!
Very nice idea. Didnt even know that such clamps exist. I like the improved version that you made
So clever thinking of that finger tab to open the clamps for thicker stock...... Patent..!! (And yes......totally worth it!!)
The amount of effort you put in those beauties is insane in the best way possible. They look amazing and so useful. The manufacturer can take some hints from you. These are plenty strong and just imagine some people use just tape…
What a great collaboration between two sensational youTube Makers! I love the story behind the design and all the failed attempts showing how much work goes into making anything worth building. Keep up the great work!
мастерство на высоте. очень аккуратная работа на каждом этапе и внимание к деталям - супер круто
$300,000 in tools, $75,000 in labour and $7,000 in consultancy VERY WELL SPENT! Plus, you got to save 1.5k Euros. Totally worth it, in my opinion, what an awesome fabrication project. If that was your hobbie, you're doing it right. If that's your craft, that's what I call honing the skills. If this was a "just for YT thing" 1M viewers can't be wrong.
Labour is free!
@@smthnew861not in my book, but ok 😊
@smthnew861 so you work for free, eh?
In what world is Labor free I get anywhere from 85 to 450 an hour if my time is spent on own projects I'm not making money so yeah Labors not free never has been never will be
I love it for it's strict material constraints..and I really wanted to know if no glue or reinforcements would somehow be stronger because trees are meant to bend with the wind.
Great video Marius and also great clamp! It is very interesting to be guided through production process; it puts things in perspective and to some degree explains the prices of the tools (and other products) we use.
Great to see your very creative videos. Fantastic job as usual
That was fun to watch, great job and great engineering!
I want the clamps!
Great video. Thanks for showing your process!
I want the clamps! These are amazing, love the work and tooling you've put together!
I am so glad Matthias' video introduced me to your channel, this is great stuff! And I also watch CNC Kitchen! I'm gonna go binge the rest of your videos now
I sure wanted the clamps :) Great Job Marius! I love the tabs for opening the cams. I've used the aluminum ones a lot, and I agree they're awkward.
I want the clamps! These are great btw and thanks for all of the details in your design and build process.
Very cool design Marius, I really like the double collaboration with both Mattias and Stefan as well, and a very nice result indeed, especially the paint job, they look like metal clamps because of it
Marius, du machst einfach auf eine sehr sympathische Art sehr coole Videos mit tollen Projekten! Respekt! LG
Enjoy watching the thought process and the build. Got some good nuggets for my future projects. Thanks
I want the clamps!! My 12 year old son and I thoroughly enjoyed this video. You are so good at explaining things and making it interesting and fun to watch! Thank you! Do you like Star Wars?
Great video, really spectacular project! Ngl the amount of effort was just nuts. I was happy to just be the viewer. I know it is not the main aspect but you definitely payed that 1.5k with your time. Been there, done that - it's part of the fun.
Truly educational content and I honestly enjoyed every minute of it. You are a great craftsman and the clamps turned out to be awesome - well mainly due to your thorough approach.
Excellent project! Just a small tip: you should add a springy material on the 3D printed part. The rubber you already have would be good enough for it. This spring will ensure that the loss of tension that will happen over time (because... well... it's a screw, it will loosen), will be compensated by relaxation of the rubber. With this addition, the tension will no longer fall off over time like it does now. Just a tip, do with it what you will.
..What a journey! Thanks for sharing & a job WELL done. Respect.
And now that I left the clamps comment, man, awesome work, it's amazing seeng you work and test everything. I loved the spring-making part, I learnt a lot.
Marius, you are one of the best channels on YT. These are great!
I want the clamps! Very nice video, really enjoyed seeing the process and the failures. Many nice tips and tricks gathered in this one :)
I initially thought that the body was made out of metal because of that paint. Wow.
Absolutely fantastic videos. Interesting, fun and highly entertaining. Thank you Marius.
All the efforts you put in this is unbelievable, but very educational and entertaining. Liked and subscribed!!!
After all the amazing work and problem solving that you put into this, I hate to say that for me, the blue metallic paint was the showstopper! That stuff looks incredible, even moreso considering it just comes out of the paint gun and looks like that. Definitely looking into that! Great video and project, they look awesome. 👍
A free resource you may wish to use is street sweeper bristles from the machines that clean city streets each week.
They are spring steel, and they are brittle enough to break off cleanly. You can find one on average about every 2 city blocks by keeping an eye on the gutters as you walk around any city that has the machines that use them.
It does take some trial and error to learn how much they can bend and how to get them to stay where you want them, but this video shows that you are very capable of doing that kind of thing.
You're tingling my woodworking senses ...
You are a very skilled maker and videographer.
Awesome project.
I want the clamps! Also this is the first one of your videos I've caught freshly published and am amazed how quickly its getting viewed! An impressive feat for a half hour long manufacturing process XD
That paint worked so well that I was confused thinking that at some point you were gonna make them out of steel!
this is an incredible video, thanks for taking us along for the ride
Mad props for the great work from both of you guys. These pieces were tested to failure, but are they adequate for the intended use? For simplicity in construction, i would try a version of the BB plywood/ bridle joints, perhaps with the cross piece (with large hole through the plies), being a thicker ply.
The bought clamps also have a much bigger grip area compared to yours so would have given an extra grip advantage to them, if they had smaller pads or if you made some with wider pads then the test would probably be closer. Awesome work 👌
That is a really neat tool. I've restored multiple antique furniture and I could of used a tool like that.
That was a wonderfull journey to watch! Thanks for the inspiration!
Seriously though, this was one super amazing collab project, brought in a bunch of my favorite makers, this was a super fun watch all the way through
I don't want the clamps because I don't need them yet, but I appreciate the approach you took and the work you have done!
Fun fact: most medium soft silicone cruiser skateboard wheels are the exact same silicone compound that big manufacturers use for gripping or traction, and this silicone can be easily molded into whatever shape you like :) oh and it’s super cheap
Amazing work, your clamping pad is definitely better than the commercial version as well. Watching you assemble these was very satisfying, accuracy in every detail pays off in assembly.
I'm sure everyone would want a set of these, had no idea such a clamp existed!
I always enjoy your videos. You really have an amazing set of skills and a lot of ingenuity. I also love how you included other makers in your video (some of my favorites). Keep up the amazing work!
It looks like you could've implemented an angle bracket, hole plate, joist hanger or something along those lines, as a cheap reinforcement for the frame.
Congrats to whoever got the clamps! ^^.
I want the clamps!!!!! (assuming you haven't had the draw already.) That said, well done making 'em. Good engineering by trying different joinery to see what holds best. And love the collab!
Loved watching the production process and testing. Would be fun to know the cost comparison based on the material costs for your homemade version (disregarding the tons of hours of time that went into producing them).
Yes, to know the difference in the cost to build and to compared to the price to purchase. I’m very interested in this.
Matthias is in Canada, Marius in Germany - shipping that box was already the price of one 'brand' clamp 😉 And he used 'old' wood - but all other stuff (CNC etc.) needs to be added. Obviously his hours - impossible to calculate - maybe chalk it as 'education'. Plus, monetized here on YT.
I would bet the amount of time alone would make all this way more expensive, but way more fun and interesting. Most likely learned a lot on the journey also.
I want the clamps! They are amazingly well thought out. This is what you get when design with intent.
I hadn't seen your channel until now but I'm glad I found it. Great work
great work, great video. Thanks to all of you.
I want the clamps
This is the best way for Matthias to collaborate with people. At home. Alone. Not with the person. Or anyone. Dude is so awkward. He’s the best.
Adding "He's the best." After an insult doesn't make it a compliment.
Not all thoughts need to be expressed. 👍
@@mojave7604 did your thought on the matter need to be expressed? Maybe I think it’s cool that socially awkward people can become wealthy, successful, respected, and appreciated even though they stay true to their awkward ways. It’s beautiful really.
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@@mojave7604 As a fellow awkward geeky guy, I don't see any insult in his comment.
I want the clamps. This was a fantastic journey to watch
Moin Marius ich bin voll begeistert, obwohl ich nur wenig englisch verstehe, die Zwingen sind Großartig geworden
First collab with such woodworking legend, can't wait :)
The most German video ever.
Very impressive problem solving. Also very impressive tool library.
Matthias is such a g I can't believe he went out of his way to provide additional testing in the form of reinforcements to aid in your findings. What a fucking legend.
I'm thinking £1500 is the better option after all the jigs and trial and days of labor.
Absolutely. It’s € btw, so £1.260.
Benefit: you get to publish a TH-cam video that gets 1.9 million views ;)
Plus loads of experience and skills gained
Of course, I appreciate the amount of learning you get and the entertainment value of the video. But, I'm not so sure that ultimately if you consider the tooling, design time, prototyping and final production, these clamps cost any less than the Bessey ones. 🙂
Absolutely true. It would only amortize when I make hundreds of them
This is what I still want to know: Price comparison! How much does your clamp cost?
Well he also gets a video out of it 😉 (though most of us can't use the same argument to justify 😅)
@@hattibugatti You know the price is going to be different for everyone yea? I have all the materials lying around. So for me it comes down to time. Feasibly I could make 30 clamps in a few days. But I can't earn a spare 1500 euros in a few days lol. So I'm seeing value.
You put so much work into testing & improving these. I bet you could make a tidy profit selling them.
I'll never understand why these dudes don't just learn to weld and start working with steel. This project would have taken one day
Yeah, I'm totally not going to forget to come back to watch this... 🙄
For contexti, this was posted when the video was a premiere. I'm ND, and it's indescribably frustrating to open up my subscription feed, see a video from someone whose videos I enjoy, click on it, and get greeted by the GODDAMN premiere thing.
I want the clamps. As usual you did a superb project and video!
How cool. I rarely see another Marius! Especially another woodworker / maker Marius. ;) Great video!
You could use double start threaded M12, which will increase your lead. For every turn of the handle it moves twice as far as the 1 start threaded M12.
That paint is fantastic
I can’t get over that router! Wow❤❤❤
Love the project, design, and the video. Almost as much as I love your shop, lol. As an "Old Timer", I need to mention how we owe something to those learning--we need to set the example of wearing safety glasses! Otherwise, very well done!
This is awesome 👏🏻 you have great talent and thanks for the awesome content. Greetings from America 🇺🇸
Interesting video. It reminds me of a cartoon 'A je to' (Pat & Mat on English I believe) where two friends solve simple tasks by overengineering everything.
Awesome job and video Marius, love it!👍🏻
Wow. Not merely stunningly good looking, but also an excellent presenter. Thanks. Signed in.
I think you only need one nut as you apply force only in one direction, and also having as tight bolt hole as possible will provide more strength to the whole cosntruction so it'll less likely to fail at this place.
I want the clamps! Good work.