Tesla HW3 vs HW4 Camera Comparison

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  • @Theeslickness
    @Theeslickness ปีที่แล้ว +75

    Videographer here, the red tint on the HW4 lenses are infra red light filters. Filtering out IR will get you better saturation (color) and better black levels (darker shadows). But having the extra IR light data might be useful for AI, just not for us humans who only see from Red to Violet.

    • @miguellopez3392
      @miguellopez3392 ปีที่แล้ว

      How would the self driving benefit from heat sensors?

    • @Theeslickness
      @Theeslickness ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@miguellopez3392 Its just a hunch. In his video there was a night shot, the HW3 picked up a little more data (with gain). The results was a weak night vision.

    • @RubenKelevra
      @RubenKelevra ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@miguellopez3392 IR picked up by a camera has nothing to do with thermal imaging. It's part of the natural light spectrum of the sun (and other stars) which we just don't see - which is called near-infrared spectrum.
      Thermal imaging uses the far-infrared spectrum.

    • @eliotcougar
      @eliotcougar ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The idea at Tesla is that AI should be able to drive and make decisions using the same visual data humans use, therefore no far red or infrared inputs, and no lidar, and no ultrasound...

    • @UloPe
      @UloPe ปีที่แล้ว

      @@eliotcougarthis is just stupid, humans are pretty crap drivers on average, why try to emulate that…

  • @StormyDog
    @StormyDog ปีที่แล้ว +21

    The red tint is actually a more advanced lens coating. It's used in many camera lenses and has nothing to due with tinting for color correction. The coatings help reduce flare and "ghosting". It was introduced decades ago by Pentax who called it "Super Multicoating" and went through many iterations and was eventually named "Ghostless". The red tint became more noticeable in the later versions. Pretty much all high end lens manufacturers followed suit. The original funding and use was via the Japanese military for improved surveillance optics.

  • @zbyszanna
    @zbyszanna ปีที่แล้ว +19

    It's important to realize that what you see on the screen is not necessarily what a camera sees. There are going to be software based image filters that take the camera input and make it look better, the original videos can be yellowish from both hw3 and hw4 and one was simply shipped together with a different filter stack so it looks better on screen. Tesla on purpose disabled the hardware filters that many cameras have so they don't lose information coming from the camera for the autonomy needs.

  • @bkackman
    @bkackman ปีที่แล้ว +7

    Nice job showing the changes and comparisons. That must have taken a lot of time. Also, thanks for including the most recent improvements on the HW3 images with the update.

  • @mattesrocket
    @mattesrocket ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I have since the 1970ies the same visual hardware in the sockets of my head

  • @poneill65
    @poneill65 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The "boxy" distortion (and banding in dark areas) is an artefact of overcompression in the mpeg compression used to save the video files.
    Basically, Tesla was trying to save the video at too small a bitrate in HW3. Maybe they had storage limits or bus bandwidth limits, or available cpu limits for the low priority task of compressing all the cameras for the final save?

  • @Adriangazz
    @Adriangazz ปีที่แล้ว +3

    @DirtyTesla On the dirt roads, you are seeing major pixelation due to compression artifacts. The same thing happens when they shoot coffetti during major sports games.

  • @m_sedziwoj
    @m_sedziwoj ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thx for putting time to update your video to new version, it was a lot of work to do.

  • @AlexSchendel
    @AlexSchendel ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Glad you tested at night. RCB (Red-Clear-Blue) on HW3 vs RGB (Red-Green-Blue) on HW4 clearly shows their pros and cons at night. You get better colors with RGB, but you get better dynamic range with RCB. A higher res RCB camera would've been interesting.

  • @johans7119
    @johans7119 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I'm glad they worked on hw3 repeater color. I thought that was something that made the car look old. I'll wait for hw5 before selling my tesla 😂

  • @hollypark2752
    @hollypark2752 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    the blocking you saw on the dirt road is from the low light sections due to how the video was compressed. hw4 my best guess is that its better at handling compression in realtime. this happens too with other youtubers who live stream off their computers. depending on their gpus used, the videos can look blocky at low light or black scenes. same can be scene with compressed movies in dark scenes.

  • @daniellambert6207
    @daniellambert6207 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Strangely, I liked the repeater cameras in the previous version of FSD beta. Now, at night and sunrise I'm seeing weird purple colors, where before at least it was a consistent yellow tint. I feel like the aesthetic change is doing more harm than good in some lighting conditions, where I'd prefer to have the older (closer to native?) camera colors.

    • @jxg9919
      @jxg9919 11 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Not for human eyes for future AI updates

  • @theoneatyourdoor87
    @theoneatyourdoor87 ปีที่แล้ว

    I got the update on 30th Aug. I was going to leave you a comment about the camera color change. I'm glad you noticed.

  • @TeslaToybox
    @TeslaToybox ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Such a great video. Very interesting seeing the differences.

  • @EugeneVinokur
    @EugeneVinokur ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Something strange on my Tesla Y (Late Jan. 2023 production). Front and repeaters are from HW3 but inside and back cameras definitely are from HW4! Is it possible?

  • @tafl-9198
    @tafl-9198 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    The FOV of the HW3 rear view camera seems to be cut off by the square shape on the screen. Maybe if that “window” was a bit bigger you could see more to the sides ?

  • @randomyoutubeuser8509
    @randomyoutubeuser8509 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    3:49 that's video compression that tesla does so the video doesn't take up as much space, the raw footage tesla is using for autopilot/FSD is likely uncompressed and much detailed

  • @AlainFattal
    @AlainFattal ปีที่แล้ว +3

    HW3 (new) should use the same color filter on the backup and front cameras as on the repeaters now.

    • @keco185
      @keco185 ปีที่แล้ว

      The backup camera is a different type of camera sensor which is why the colors look different. Tesla is emulating that style on the repeater cameras through software tricks

  • @tanktacosauce6192
    @tanktacosauce6192 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It’s been a few years could you update us on your solar and how it’s doing? Thanks

  • @PeterLonghorn00
    @PeterLonghorn00 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You could have used the Service menu to show the B-pillar cams

  • @andrewcochran4389
    @andrewcochran4389 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for the great video!! Nice to know what's improved in my new X cameras. LOVE the new X.

  • @BrianJoslyn
    @BrianJoslyn ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Is there any particular reason for rear vehicle cameras, or at least Tesla rear cams, being 360 cams? I believe this is probably the only thing I don't like about the cameras. The wider and clearer view is awesome.

  • @deltajohnny
    @deltajohnny ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great comparison!! 👏👏👏

  • @ezpoppy55
    @ezpoppy55 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nicely done comparison.
    Red tint = Blade Runner! 😂

  • @netgnostic1627
    @netgnostic1627 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    The HAL 9000, the T-800 Terminator, the Cylons from the OG Battlestar Galactica, Locutus' cybernetic 'eye,' are all red. So why shouldn't the cameras on the newest AI-capable Tesla have evil red AI eyes?

  • @nickb6890
    @nickb6890 8 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you for your video very informative

  • @jasonwiltjer9
    @jasonwiltjer9 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I am curious, for the repeater cameras at night you showed that if you manually raise the brightness for the HW4 video, it shows the details in the shadows that HW3 shows. But I wonder how close in clarity the HW3 output will be if you manually lower the brightness so it looks similar to the HW4 output.

    • @DirtyTesla
      @DirtyTesla  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Unfortunately the noise wouldn't be going anywhere, so not something I can really do

  • @angelsancheese
    @angelsancheese 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Thank you for the video!!!!!

  • @adamhahler4205
    @adamhahler4205 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Million dollar question, have you noticed if phantom braking is improved with HW4? That's my biggest complaint with Autopilot.

    • @DirtyTesla
      @DirtyTesla  ปีที่แล้ว

      It seems fine so far, but no FSD beta yet

    • @adamhahler4205
      @adamhahler4205 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@DirtyTesla yeah good point. Not an apples to apples comparison unless they’re on the same software.

  • @Bobbynoshoes
    @Bobbynoshoes ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Something i noticed is my hw4 model y do not drine into the sun as well as my model 3 2019, hw2.5. Can yiu test and see if it's just fsd beta on hw 2.5 carrrying the weight and both cameras suck at drives inro the sunlight or.... Hw4 is worse than older cameras when if comes to driving into the sun with autopilot on.

  • @ohmygosh6176
    @ohmygosh6176 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    I hope Tesla starts including video editing software in their car as well.

  • @jacobblotkamp2945
    @jacobblotkamp2945 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Something curious I noticed on hw3 is my repeater cameras is on 11.4.7 they have a red tint to them when the sun is harsh. The tint goes away as soon as the sun does, almost like they added a filter for blown out conditions

  • @DrewHaughton
    @DrewHaughton ปีที่แล้ว

    Not sure why you aren't noticing the diff between the back-up cams. Obviously better resolution. 12:46 much clearer than 12:36.

  • @theoneatyourdoor87
    @theoneatyourdoor87 ปีที่แล้ว

    I leave for working before sunrise so I noticed that exposure was higher. They see better at night.

  • @magnuslarsson337
    @magnuslarsson337 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Is there raw data that shows the color spectrum available from the new HW4 cameras?
    Thinking it may be imaging material in the NIR spectrum that ain’t visualized in the display (of course shifter into a human eye enabled wavelengths), but available for the FSD computer to “see”.

  • @thewaxlab
    @thewaxlab ปีที่แล้ว

    I bought my Model Y last September and it’s a 2023, and it looks like the video from HW4 incl the rear view cam and interior with the red lens.

  • @kenmasters007
    @kenmasters007 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    would love to see if someone can upgrade to hw4... i understand the wiring harness has changed

  • @cgamiga
    @cgamiga ปีที่แล้ว

    @3:30 MPG bandwidth-limitation pixelation. Yeah HW3 doesn't seem to allow enough bandwidth for MPEG encoding, and scenes with a lot of detail and motion- eg forests w/ leaves, or very textured roads- are just a huge mess of large pixel blurs. Just not enough bandwidth to encode all the detail properly, at least teslacam recordings (I assume the AP/FSD computer gets raw uncompressed data). So this improvement, is likely more advanced encoding and/or higher bandwidth/larger video file sizes... need to have really fast USB/SD memory cards, and yes uses more storage space!
    But, good trade-off, as means the video is actually usable.
    I assume for improved HW3 repeater cameras, they also changed the color filter/processing to make it more realistic, too... and improved bandwidth/detail there too

  • @InTheWrongTimeline
    @InTheWrongTimeline ปีที่แล้ว +1

    But are they going to replace my HW3 m3 with HW4, since I bought FSD back in 2018?

    • @DirtyTesla
      @DirtyTesla  ปีที่แล้ว

      It doesn't sound like it

  • @kenslea826
    @kenslea826 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Have you tried to switch out one of the side camera’s in the 2023 model and put it in the 2021 to see if it works? Just curious because if it does we can order side camera’s for our older Model Y’s and use them for that better side view.

    • @DirtyTesla
      @DirtyTesla  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Na they can't be swapped

  • @iowa_don
    @iowa_don ปีที่แล้ว

    Iowa Tesla Guy has a video on the camera improvement for HW 3, "Did Tesla Just Upgrade My Camera Quality For Free? - FSD BETA 11.4.7 " and I have to agree (I have FSD Beta 11.4.7, 8/30/2023, on my November, 2021 Model S). He has a bit of an analysis of why he thinks it got improved.

  • @TeslaElonSpaceXFan
    @TeslaElonSpaceXFan ปีที่แล้ว +1

    👍

  • @Amuzic_Earth
    @Amuzic_Earth ปีที่แล้ว +2

    5:24 we all know red tinted camera in an AI machine is never a good thing...Right? Right?

  • @zivc6547
    @zivc6547 ปีที่แล้ว

    This is a good comparison.

  • @KrK-EST
    @KrK-EST ปีที่แล้ว

    With HW4 you need a better write speed USB drive, most can not handle the write speed needed for this high pixel video live/continues recordings.
    Many USB's have built in ram buffer and only the first GB or so has the fast write speed.
    A regular 10 or 20 USD/EUR usb druve wont work(reliably) anymore and you need to get a good one meaning double the price for the same ammount of space.

    • @jennlim2735
      @jennlim2735 9 หลายเดือนก่อน

      What would you recommend?SSD or USB?

  • @brianklaus2468
    @brianklaus2468 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Just got my FSD Beta back on my HW 4 and boy is it wonky!!

    • @andrewcochran4389
      @andrewcochran4389 ปีที่แล้ว

      Mine is better than on my old X.

    • @brianklaus2468
      @brianklaus2468 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@andrewcochran4389 yeah it’s weird, it’s like what it was 7 months ago, it won’t get into the turning lane in time and cutting the corners way too much

    • @hawkyyy42
      @hawkyyy42 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I’m wondering if the delay of FSD Beta on HW4 is because all the training was with HW3 and the images a don’t line up/compare quite right. So I am wondering if the need to gather enough HW4 video/data to re-train FSD Beta for HW4 equipment

    • @brianklaus2468
      @brianklaus2468 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@hawkyyy42 wouldnt surprise- me, today I stopped at a stop sign 15 ft in front of it, lol

  • @gig2705
    @gig2705 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Is there a way to upgrade to HW4 from HW3?

    • @andrewcochran4389
      @andrewcochran4389 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      Yeah.... Buy a new Tesla... 😂

    • @Ughthisagain
      @Ughthisagain ปีที่แล้ว

      I was told for $2k you can get a mcu upgrade.

    • @BernardMaltais
      @BernardMaltais ปีที่แล้ว

      Elon said no... but who know in the future... hoping for a possible maybe.

    • @ChicKsDub
      @ChicKsDub 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@andrewcochran4389😂😂

  • @dominolehmann8227
    @dominolehmann8227 ปีที่แล้ว

    12:50 better cams are helpful for vision only

  • @pontusa9533
    @pontusa9533 ปีที่แล้ว

    Nice informative video 👍

  • @cwbh10
    @cwbh10 ปีที่แล้ว

    Would be a little cool if ya cleaned off the cameras before testing too tho

  • @MrSupahLMFAO
    @MrSupahLMFAO 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    they just updated the HW3 cameras. The quality looks almost the same as the HW4

  • @gexpe2003
    @gexpe2003 ปีที่แล้ว

    Useful

  • @Joe_Brig
    @Joe_Brig ปีที่แล้ว

    Does FSD use the rear camera? My guess is no because they didn't protect it from water, dirt, or freezing.

    • @DirtyTesla
      @DirtyTesla  ปีที่แล้ว

      It does, main case I've noticed is for moving out of passing lane when someone is approaching

  • @nexus888
    @nexus888 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Waiting for a software update for HW4 to make the image quality better…

  • @youngchirp12
    @youngchirp12 ปีที่แล้ว

    How can you draw with your front cameras on

  • @IamY00t
    @IamY00t 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Is hw4 only for US? I just picked up a brand new European made Y and I don't see red tint in cameras

  • @choongta
    @choongta ปีที่แล้ว

    What's the benefit of the fish-eye lens for the rear camera ? If it's of any good, why not doing the same for the front camera ?

    • @DirtyTesla
      @DirtyTesla  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The front camera is in a housing that would block side views. There are also the B pillar cameras to look front/sideways.

  • @philljo1
    @philljo1 ปีที่แล้ว

    Great video! I don’t suppose you could snake a camera to look for radar behind the front bumper?

    • @DirtyTesla
      @DirtyTesla  ปีที่แล้ว

      I tried to look but I don't see anything there

  • @pwshaw10
    @pwshaw10 ปีที่แล้ว

    HAL?

  • @FriedChairs
    @FriedChairs ปีที่แล้ว

    Looks like they turned off the sepia filter on hw3.

  • @magnuslarsson337
    @magnuslarsson337 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Is there any added delay/laytency with the new “color tint correction” in the newly updated HW3?
    I was thinking that the added image processing should cause a small delay?

    • @DirtyTesla
      @DirtyTesla  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Nothing that I can notice

    • @AndreiTolnai
      @AndreiTolnai ปีที่แล้ว

      And was the HW3 car with Intel or with Ryzen chip? Ryzen chip should have no problem with the additional image processing added to HW3 cameras.

  • @olpo2001
    @olpo2001 ปีที่แล้ว

    LETS GOO!

  • @RainbowTy
    @RainbowTy ปีที่แล้ว +1

    HW4 can get FSD Beta now, did you get it?

    • @DirtyTesla
      @DirtyTesla  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Still waiting :/

    • @andrewcochran4389
      @andrewcochran4389 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Pray 3 times a day and offer a young goat.... Actually I asked in the Service tab in the app.

  • @BrianBegnoche
    @BrianBegnoche ปีที่แล้ว +1

    HW4 = Terminator eyes

  • @cwbh10
    @cwbh10 ปีที่แล้ว

    and now we got hiiighland, peep the bumper cam

  • @PrinceZiim
    @PrinceZiim ปีที่แล้ว

    I was gunna get a model y soon but I’m just gunna wait for juniper, if I buy now I would just kick myself later

  • @MEDI0DARK
    @MEDI0DARK ปีที่แล้ว

    ive 1tb setup for recording

    • @DirtyTesla
      @DirtyTesla  ปีที่แล้ว

      That's definitely help

  • @marsEv310
    @marsEv310 ปีที่แล้ว

    Dose your new Y have cameras in the headlights?

    • @DirtyTesla
      @DirtyTesla  ปีที่แล้ว

      Nope, no teslas do. A bumper camera is coming to Cybertruck and might come to others as well

    • @marsEv310
      @marsEv310 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@DirtyTesla okay i think that's what people meant then, and a front bumper camera makes more sense now. thx

  • @DonBrowningRacing
    @DonBrowningRacing ปีที่แล้ว

    My model 3 plaid is HW3 and seems great!

  • @dathyr1
    @dathyr1 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yes, the new cameras look very good with my new Model Y. They look better now after I got Tesla 2023.25.8 update. With this update, the turn signal videos are brighter and more colorful. Yesterday I just got updated to 2023.26.9.
    take care.

  • @b286guy
    @b286guy ปีที่แล้ว

    Have you been pumping iron? 💪🏻

  • @billligon4005
    @billligon4005 ปีที่แล้ว

    Can I upgrade my M3 to Hardware 4?

  • @llcooljay66
    @llcooljay66 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Model y has HW 3.5
    Difference
    3.5 new cameras new ECU etc
    4.0 same as 3.5 + HD radar only model s/x

  • @DonBrowningRacing
    @DonBrowningRacing ปีที่แล้ว

    Cyber trucks will have HW4 right?

    • @jermondrobinson9067
      @jermondrobinson9067 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Yes it might be better then hw4 tho

    • @gadgetmerc
      @gadgetmerc ปีที่แล้ว

      Yup. Most cars coming off the line are HW4.

  • @johnross6314
    @johnross6314 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Hardware 4 cams cost at most $2.40. Slight increase than HW 3 cams. Not 4 k. Barely better than 720p. These HW4 are so chintzy, not used in Obama smart phones…. Priceless.

  • @Charles-in5xg
    @Charles-in5xg ปีที่แล้ว

    omg, you didn't black out your license plate numbers. the world is going to come to an end.

  • @KennySeven
    @KennySeven ปีที่แล้ว

    first

  • @DonBrowningRacing
    @DonBrowningRacing ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m thinking I like the old fashion 3 better because it seems unnecessary wasting effort on esthetics I don’t watch when I’m driving. I know the computer is watching the aesthetics but I’m sure not! Agree?