My Challenge to Atheists
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- This is a serious challenge that is not meant to be a slap in the face or a quick moment of owning atheists. I genuinely believe that mockery, sarcasm, and caricaturizing can hinder clear thinking. It's not that all mockery is wrong. It's not that all sarcasm is wrong. But, they can easily become a way of expressing confirmation bias. In the case of Ricky Gervais, Richard Dawkins, Christopher Hitchens, Sam Harris, and a number of other influential atheists, it certainly is. I rarely recognize the version of Christianity that these guys argue against. Yet, these guys have come to formulate or otherwise represent the thinking of countless atheists and agnostics in the current generation, even if those people don't realize their criticisms trace back to that sort of thinking.
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Of all the atheist people you could have chosen to criticize for sarcasm, mockery and scoffing-you picked a comedian.
Lol
Christian’s are always mocked and scoffed at and this isn’t a thing where oh my gosh you chose this guy out of all people, now we debunk and defend against anyone and everyone in a loving logical way but yes I see your point because he is a comedian but also he does say a lot of thinks about Christian’s without joking at all because he is an atheist
It's still a popular argument of atheists
Gervais didn't invent that argument
He did exactly what he's claiming atheists do when they argue, he's just hiding it better 😂
Difficult to debate against magic without laughing a little.
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Besides if they’re allowed to tell us we’re gonna burn in hell because we don’t agree with them they can deal with us being sarcastic
Except we don’t claim to be the arbiter of that. We aren’t determining it, just like a single citizen doesn’t determine the law. Also, Christianity doesn’t claim God is magic, that’s an ignorant statement claimed by atheists.
@@michaelandrews4424 I never said anyone claimed God is magic. Do you have trouble reading?
Atheists should know that their sarcasm doesnt strengthen their position but only makes the opposition more opposed
The fact that a CHRISTIAN accuses Atheists of "self righteous posturing" is just.... amazing.
I know
Jesus Christ is the righteousness of the Christian.
Anyone can do that and your generalizing Christian’s, get a life
@@breannakay9829 Cry more
@@MrTheclevercat only one crying is you
Argue for your point with logic and reasoning⛔
"You're rude so you're wrong"✅
You're missing the point. Let's say you're an atheist who believes in evolution and I'm a Christian but I don't believe in evolution and we're going to talk to a tribe of people that never heard of Jesus and never heard of evolution.
I'm trying to tell them about Jesus and you're sending that mocking telling them look how stupid this man is he thinks Jesus walked on water.. that might shut down the people listening to my argument. So from that perspective it might not matter what I say logical or not from that point on.
And then it's your turn to talk about evolution and I said look at him he thinks his ancestors were lizards that walked on water.. and from that point on from their perspective whatever you say is Ludacris they won't even listen to your argument.
PS just to clarify I believe 100% that organisms evolve but I don't believe our ancestors were sea creatures .
unrelated but your playlists are so weird
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Sarcasm doesn’t take away from logic. The logic of an argument stays the same with or without sarcasm. It’s just more polite.
What logic exactly? Some weird guy said something a few thousand years ago and some weird guy is saying something now. "Its ludicrous" as ricky so elegantly puts it.
@@kardz1848 that's what this person is saying
@@earlyjicama4302 no, im using rickys argument against himself. If he wants to do the same and start his own religion thats fine but he hasnt the right to attack christianity as a whole because of his own personal experiences.
Just watch any debate between atheists and theists... the atheists has a very easy time calling out the lunacy of theism. No need for sarcasm.
Just watch any debate and it will prove this guy to be full of crap.
@@OzkanArac I find it interesting how people come out from a debate knowing for sure that the side they already agreed with "utterly destroyed them." lol peculiar indeed.
> Shows footage of a comedian
“Why is he being so sarcastic?”
Americans have an incredibly woeful detection of sarcasm
Usually the more religious you get, the more humorless you get
Like make it make sense
@@belogical0wasn’t even his point. Argue the concept of Christianity without sarcasm
@@nickvoss7954as long as I can crack a joke In hell then I guess u got a point
He's a comedian, it's literally his job to be sarcastic
You didn't hear Mike well. All atheists do it. If not convinced watch a debate.
Almost every atheist I know is like this
@@timetravelingoldman6839 how many atheists do you know?
@@gsnipernew3.070 and all Christians use ridiculous analogies.
@@TheSixerFixer enough to know that a vast majority of them are like that.
I can't believe this guy doesn't think that atheists have weighed the evidence thoughtfully. That we don't think logically. That we haven't taken the time to understand anything about it. In fact we often turn to sarcasm and scoffing because we have thought so much about it and when we express our thinking to a Christian, we are never listened to in any way that says "hey you got a point, but here's why I think you're wrong about that." Instead we get "if you don't believe and refuse to believe in God, then you are not worth my time." In fact we find your way of thinking about the same subject more irrational than calling water a powdered substance, because Christians can't put together the inconsistencies of what they are even saying when they talk about God!(mainly because they themselves haven't really asked the hard questions or are so delusional that the inconsistencies makes sense to them.)
I understand fully what you mean, as a kid raised in North Carolina, I lived in both the city parts and then the REALLY country parts, and the Christians in the really country parts were usually how your described, aka not fully happy people lol! I also used to be atheist and went around always talking about how we are a random act in a random universe. Though the more I look at everything, we are intelligently designed, have you seen that there are motors in side of tiny organisms that help them move, and with a pretty much 100% conversion from chemical to mechanical movement? We created motors ourselves before seeing these perfectly made one, just crazy. In the Bible it says that Amen is the "true Witness, the Origin, Beginning, Author of God's Creation." Amen literally means to believe in and stand firm in. How man we say that something didn't create us when we ourselves are imperfect creators? That spark, that single Amen, that belief that He wanted to Be, is what is God, that belief that He wants something better for us because in reality He came into an empty void and still wanted to not be alone. Let's just be happy, mankind, like He wanted!
Totally agree, the Christians that argue with hate in their heart are not obeying Christ. We should speak to others in love, understanding we all have different backgrounds that influence why we believe what we believe. I’d encourage anyone reading this comment to read about Descartes, a French mathematician and philosopher who realized he had to unlearn everything he knew so that he could build up knowledge that couldn’t be shaken. He built off of simple truths such as 2+2=4, and that on some level, we are conscience and exist. its really amazing the way he logically proves certain key beliefs of humanity, and worked up to the existence of God.
Why is it that I feel like I am reading a foreign language in extremely generic translation software? What is this? Lol
atheist think highly of themselves, no.1 he never said atheist he said if you remove the sarcasm and mockery it will have a different effect on you.
@@bullymong1445 Keep looking for truth, good luck my friend
Guy really said “no funny” to a guy who’s job it is to do funny.
beatifully simply explained.
No he didn't. He challenged atheist to not show sarcasm or scoffing. This atheist showed atheist or sarcasm.
Just because doctors tend to have bad writing doesn't mean it's wrong to ask them to write legibly.
In the same way it's not wrong to ask an atheist to have a thoughtful and rational conversation
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Jesus is the only way to Salvation
John 14:6 - “I am the way, the truth, and the life. No one comes to the father except through me.”
And No Matter what you are going through GOD Loves You.
1 John 4:9-10. In this the love of God was made manifest among us, that God sent his only Son into the world, so that we might live through him. In this is love, not that we have loved God but that he loved us and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.
@@Abblue0819 fart
@@Jollyfeats But he is joking. He is not trying to express his opinion or anything serious. He made a mere joke.
It's hard not being sarcastic when literal adults have beliefs on par with toddler's belief in santa.
Common Piconi L
Frankly, Santa is _more_ believable. I mean, we can all go to the North pole if we wanted to, and tell people about our trip there afterwards.
Plus Santa only needs to be thanked once a year, not every waking second
Ok, man. God loves you
@@hippyjasonso u believe in evolution and that we were monkeys
The ridiculous deserves ridicule.
Your preconceived notion to assume they are ridiculous is what blinds you from the truth. That and whatever sin you decided to start committing. You will continue to see it as folly until you open your eyes to reality. I lived as an atheist for years until I opened my mind to the possibility of God. This is why we keep telling y’all even though you think we are ridiculous. It’s because we are telling you the truth, and you are slowly slipping away from God.
@@RG-gd4grthey are ridiculous
Only when you know what you're talking about and can demonstrate it is false and why, or at least defend your position properlyin stead of strawmanning.
Otherwise it's just foolishness.
@@RG-gd4gr your preconceived notion that your religion has to be the truth with no real evidence, only indoctrination, is sad but it is what it is
@@forwardsdrawkcab there is no need to demonstrate religions false. Because first thes would need to demonstrate they are right
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True good for u babe
Justclike how rleigous people are almost athiests true
It isn't that 2699 is close to 2700 and that means 2699 is equal to 2700. The point, that went way over your head, is that if you treat 2699 religions like I treat yours, why are you so mad that I treat 2700 religions the way you treat 2699?
How is this point so difficult for religious people to grasp? I know the lack of logic is built into the ideology but come on..
Whos mad? Also it would be approximately 2701 religions. You gotta include atheism because it takes major faith to believe the order of the universe came from absolutely nothing. Also insinuating that everyone who is "religious" lacks logical thinking ability is pretty disingenuous and kinda discredits your argument.@@MrTheclevercat
Good sir let me tell you you are incorrect rn. Take a deep long breath:
If anyone makes a claim they must provide evidences, this is step 1, always anywhere everywhere. "I own a porsche." "Well let me have some evidence for that it is rare to own that". Extraordinary claims demand extraordinary evidence.
Now, atheists just reject the claim of god/magic, we do not claim there is NO gods because we have no evidences for that. Atheists just say "no" to a positive claim about god "There is a god!!" "No. Or prove it." The claimant has the burden of proof. :)@@Wootey92
Yes, religious people famously are never self righteous
Many religious people think that they have the moral high ground. Nonsense.
@@rationald6799fuck me, these stereotypes are getting out of hand. I've been getting attacked for being Christian, comments like these only make me and others like me's life harder
@@sexgayminorsyou need to get some help(mentally) if you say a comment made your life harder
@@rationald6799Most religions (I'm a Christian) teach some form of humbleness. If someone tries to hold some moral high ground over a non believer than they're not being faithful to their own religion
@@Fueganthefireyguy I'm not saying that all Christian's claim to have the moral high ground. But many do.
I grew up in a Christian family. Was going to go into the ministry. I ended up becoming an atheist.
I do not take the position that religion should be banned. As the New Atheist's do. An impossible task to begin with. But forcing atheism on to people . Would only make theist's strengthen their beliefs.
“We’ve spilled blood across the globe to spread this theism but if you could just tone down the sarcasm…”
I think communism (an explicitly atheist system) wins the bloodbath contest.
How many has Communistic Atheism killed?
Bro forgot about Stalin 😂😂😂
@@jesusisking9035 I don’t remember an Atheistic Crusade, but feel free to refresh my memory.
@@hightide9513 it's called revolution
Respect for religion' has become a code phrase meaning 'fear of religion' , Religion like all other ideas deserves criticism, satire and yes our fearless disrespect.
- Salman Rushdie
PS: I can despise any religion, without hatred for its followers. I am under no obligation to respect your religion.
Every time a religious person realizes they aren't making any sense, they hide behind the "You have no right to disrespect my views" card. I'm sorry, but if your views have such major discrepancies in logic, yes i will disrespect them. No religion or ideology is entitled to respect , respect is earned. And if your views fail to meet the standards of rigor and basic common sense, then I don't believe they have earned the right to be taken seriously or, for that matter, respected. We should respect people as fellow human beings but never should we respect ideas that don't deserve respect.
Theist always thinks Atheists are attacking their beliefs, no they are not. They are attacking you for attacking other people who don't believe what you believe. But the matter of fact here is that the theist is the one making the claim, so they are the ones required to provide the evidence. Since that cannot be done and has never been done, you will be criticised for making baseless, nonsensical, exaggerated claims.
My challenge for Christians is this, look at evidence against your beliefs without just presuming you right, have some humility.
Already did over and over and all the evidence points to Matthew Mark Luke and John telling truth when they wrote about Jesus they wrote what they saw because philosophically people do not die for something they know is a lie, and Matthew Mark Luke and John went to their graves saying they saw Christ perform Miracles, make claims that he was God, and Resurrected from the dead. I know every atheist is going to tell me I believe in a fairy tale but the thing is the atheists believe in the biggest fairy tale ever and that is that everything came from nothing because that defies the laws of physics matter cannot be created nor destroyed.
Have you done the same thing you are asking Christians to do? Not everyone follows Christianity blindly. I desire truth and I find nothing but death and destruction in your worldview.
Why be humble, exactly?
@@wilder11 With humility comes wisdom (Proverbs 11:2)
Those who humble themselves will be exalted (Luke 14:7-11)
Be completely humble and gentle (Ephesians 4:2-6)
Value others above yourself (Philippians 2:3-8)
Therefore, clothe yourself with humility (Colossians 3:11-12)
God shows favor to the humble (James 4:6-10)
Humility is the fear of the Lord (Proverbs 22:4)
Live in harmony with one another (Romans 12:16)
And so on. I'm not saying abandon your faith I'm just saying at the very least you aughta entertain the possibility of being wrong. If you believe that heretics exist you aughta examine yourself for that possibility no? Barring all else at least don't act innna way that seems prideful and boastful to others online and off, kinda flies in the face of the Christian message from what I've seen. You can't please everyone of course, but you can make an attempt.
@@Necroman98agreed
I'm an atheist and I agree with you, but you shared what a famous comedian is saying. Of course a comedian is using sarcasm in this kind of setting. I'm pretty sure Ricky could debate on the topic without sarcasm and still have lots of valid points.
Yea I suspect that he could, he actually specifically seems to be a rly sensible person, Im guessing these clips were just to make the point
Of course he could. He graduated with honors from University College London with a bachelors in philosophy.
one of his arguments is that when you destroy all evidence of science and all there is to find about religion, science will eventually come back in the same way. people will discover it all over again. But you can't say the same about religion. Something similar will probably exist, but not as it is today.
Yeah but many atheists sound just like this comedian so it lines up nonetheless. Bear in mind Mike Winger has conversed with and debated atheists. I doubt he just picked Ricky for his demeanor as if it's rare for atheists to posture and scoff.
@@roxannehoff2889 True, it's one of his arguments, but it's a weak one. He's assuming the God that has already intervened with and revealed Himself to mankind, wouldn't do it again if mankind had their memory wiped, in which case Christianity would be discovered once again just as "science" would. Not to mention some populations don't have the modern sciences, so his argument also assumes mankind wouldn't live as those populations do to this day. The fact ppl actually accept his argument as valid shows this is all about bias and not at all about critical thinking. "It shares my conclusion, and demeans the opposition, count me in." Quite telling.
Bro is the type of the dude that thinks he wins an argument when he points out a writing mistake
Not his point. Argue against Christianity without dead jokes was the only challenge. Seems u found it too hard
@@samueldavid6953He says in a debate most of the arguments against religion are snarky comments and sarcasm. Which is a lie? Theres like thousands of arguments against christianity or other religions? He says toss them aside because vast majority of debaters are sarcastic (according to him, no statistics or references) and shows that they have no point? Which is again not true, plain as day. What's so hard to understand?
@@0kayegs577 most are because most atheists don’t take it seriously. Not those who debate this but the unserious trolls who reject God as a joke. So his point stands. If THAT category of people are challenged you’ll see their reasons have little depth. And he did not refute any reason they could have. He just challenged them to not be sarcastic or an asshole about it and personally thought they’d see their arguments clearer. How is that not clear as day?
@@samueldavid6953maybe I read too much between the lines, is it really a call for a honest challenge? I found it too much of a generalization to call most debates have sarcasm effecting the arguments. I understand your point.
@@samueldavid6953 as soon as theists do the same.
"You're being mean! That must mean you don't have an argument!"
Telling a comediant to not do comedy
THIS IS CINEMA
You didn't hear Mike well. All atheists do it. If not convinced watch a debate.
So he's never serious? 🤔
@@gsnipernew3.070all… wow thats nice of you to think anybody is doing the same stuff because they think the same. All atheists have sarcasm because its so dump what sometimes comes out of the mouth of religious people.
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@@Mr.Maus.Thunder Your argument defeat atheists position. People expect reason and facts in a debate and atheists claim those are their tools. Using sarcasm is the short cut method of those who lack reason and facts.
Your logic is basically "I can't refute your criticism, but at least I'm not rude"
What criticism exactly? The atheist is just making an illogical but good-sounding quip about theism.. he constructed a strawman and proceeded to beat it to death.
His arguments are tailored to win over people like you who don't understand how an actual argument is formed, presented and challenged..
If the person is honest they will attempt to refute the strongest possible form of the opposing argument (this is known as an Ironman, the opposite of a strawman) - most atheists cherry-pick out of context info from various religions and refute those specific things (even though when read in-context, the referenced information means something entirely different)
Edit: to be fair, the cherry-picking isn't unique to atheist; the sad reality is most people know they are right and construct an argument that proves their presuppositions, whether atheist or theist, most humans are dishonest and self-serving - anyone who claims otherwise is either naive or purposefully deceiving you in order to make manipulation easier
@@tragikk03 which Steelman (you got that wrong there buddy) should we argue for? Every believer has their own theology. Should we be charged to have some systematic theology for something we can easily dismiss on so little needed logic? No. That would be a colossal waste of time.
And as stated elsewhere Ricky is a comedian, not a logician. So he's not making an argument, he's using hyperbole. Just like you can't use the folklore stories in the Bible and think they are of the genre of history or use the psalms for medical advice, you should "consider the context", right?
and let not play "who is the worse cherry pickers". This is literally why there are countless denominations and flavors of Christians. And now I've come full circle on my post.
@@tragikk03 No, the comedian is making a joke.
Which is of course why these clips were picked.
@@tragikk03 So tell me, how many of the 3,000 or so gods do you believe in? Serious question.
@@bienv2lis All of them, but there is only one alpha and omega, only one who is, who was, and who is to come.
This could be a good challenge for both sides. Christians may not do the same sarcastic self-righteous posturing but we could fall into that trap or easily mock them the same way. Therefore, having reasonable debates where no one is doing this could help us see each other's side more even if we don't agree.
"Christians may not do the same sarcastic self-righteous posturing" looooooooooooooooooll literally self-righteous posturing in your comment.
@@NightStalker1995 I don't think you know what self-righteous posturing is... Looooooooooooooooool
@@NightStalker1995 .. this is ridiculous. Pointing that both parties are confronted to that issue is just common sence.
I have seen it from Answers in Genesis from time to time, I can understand their frustration. But the most impressive and I mean "impression making" evangelists I've seen are loving and impassioned. Or clinical but kind.
@@NightStalker1995 he offers you empathy and you throw it in the trash lol. Reminds me of the dog that bites the hand of that who feeds it
We watched a debate between Christians and atheist already, you got destroyed by Matt dillahunty 😂
About that. th-cam.com/video/OEfkfXy253s/w-d-xo.htmlsi=rGrrxnrUgkgFpSSf
@@MikeWingeryeah.... That doesn't prove what you think it does lol. You got wrecked as Matt had to take the time to explain logic 101 to you to show why your arguments were invalid.... Without sarcasm I might add.
It's hilarious that this is one of the only comments he responded to. Really let's us know how often he thinks of how badly he did in that debate 😂
I'M LIVING FOR THIS COMMENT 😂😂😂
@@MikeWingeryou are an apologetic "pastor". Mikey likes it. Something-from-nothing= 0.
The mocking is because your version of “evidence” does not hold up scientifically
I am an atheist,, and I agree that sarcasm and mockery do not have a place in honest dialogue.
I like your comment here. Totally agree. Any matters that are to the heart of a person, such as what one believes, to be sarcastic, tells me this person doesn't see me with value, they are dismissing the most sacred part of me. How can one make someone ponder your points, if you know they are dismissing you? Why would I consider their argument against me... that's how I see it. Respect goes both ways. I'm a Christian. The Bible says "come let us reason together" God said that. If God can handle my questions, shouldn't we ppl be able to handle each other's and reason together to get to what is true..
True, but when one person, an adult, is talking about imagery beings 🤷🏽♀️
@@Mehki227This is why I don't argue with atheists.
Our creator said in Quran:
"Did you think We had created you in vain (without any purpose), and that you would not be brought back to Us?’ (Quran 23:115)
"Exalted is He (God) who holds all control in His hands; who has power over all things; ˹He is the One˺ Who created life and death in order to test which of you is best in deeds. And He is the Almighty, All-Forgiving. who created the seven heavens, one above the other. You will not see any flaw in what the Lord of Mercy creates. Look again! Can you see any flaw?" (Quran 67:1-3 )
"And [mention, O Prophet], when your Lord said to the angels, "Indeed, I will make upon the earth a successive authority." They said, "Will You place upon it one who causes corruption therein and sheds blood, while we declare Your praise and sanctify You?" God said, "Indeed, I know that which you do not know."(Quran 2:30)
"Can there be any doubt about God, the Creator of the heavens and earth? He calls you to Him in order to forgive you your sins and let you enjoy your life until the appointed hour.’ But they said, ‘You are only men like us. You want to turn us away from what our forefathers used to worship. Bring us clear proof then, [if you can].’ (Quran 14:10)
"Do man think he will be left without purpose? Was he not a drop of sperm emitted (in lowly form)? Then he was a clinging clot, and [ God ] created [his form] and proportioned [him] producing from it both sexes, male and female. Is such ˹a Creator˺ unable to bring the dead back to life?"
"We have indeed made whatever is on earth as an adornment for it, in order to test which of them is best in deeds."
"We shall certainly test you with fear and hunger, and loss of property, lives, and crops. But [Prophet], give good news to those who are steadfast. those who say, when afflicted with a calamity, ‘We belong to God and to Him we shall return.’ (Quran 2:155-156)
"Indeed, in the creation of the heavens and the earth and the alternation of the night and the day are signs for those of understanding. those who remember God while standing and sitting and on their sides, and reflect upon the creation of the heavens and the earth: “Our Lord, You did not create this in vain. Highly Exalted are You, so protect us from the punishment of the Fire." (Quran 3:190-191)
"Indeed, We have sent revelation to you ˹O Prophet˺ as We sent revelation to Noah and the prophets after him. We also sent revelation to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and his descendants, ˹as well as˺ Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon. And to David We gave the Psalms." (Quran 4:163)
"Those who have believed and whose hearts are assured by the remembrance of God . Verily in the remembrance of God do hearts find rest!"
"O humanity! Indeed, God’s promise is true. So do not let the life of this world deceive you, nor let the Chief Deceiver(Satan) deceive you about God. Surely Satan is an enemy to you, so take him as an enemy. He only invites his followers to become inmates of the Blaze." (Quran 35:5-6)
"And when My servants ask you, [O Muhammad], concerning Me - indeed I am near. I respond to the invocation of the supplicant when he calls upon Me. So let them respond to Me [by obedience] and believe in Me that they may be [rightly] guided."
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said :
“When God loves one of his servant, He tests him to hear his supplication.”
What does an atheist believe?
He’s a comedian. A sarcastic critique from a comedian shouldn’t bring you to the brink of tears.
Don't think it did though... It's not that at all. It comes down to I can't understand the possibility of a God or creator so I will mock the people who do believe... I've heard comedians compare christians and other religious groups to bedwetters. They belittle what they don't understand instead of looking into it with an open mind. You'd almost think they hate God. I think it comes down to they hate there being a moral law standard so they debunk as much as what they can with 'science' that wasn't here measuring life's creation. Go ahead atheist, tell me why rape and genocide are wrong if survival of the fittest is grand for the animal kingdom. Instead of mocking us why don't you dig deep into your monkey brain and pull out something we haven't heard yet.
In the case if Ricky Gervais, yes, he's a comedian. But if you watch the most prominent atheist debating Christians, for example Christopher Hitchens, and others, many times their response is being sarcastic and not engaging logically with a point made by the other side. Tbh, the most interesting debates are the ones that atheist actually respond to the points made and give a solid argumentation instead of "you believe in skydaddy, you don't know what you're talking about". Both sides engaging honestly make the discussion better and advances knowledge. One side, no matter which one, using sarcasm and whatnot just stalls progress.
@@MatheusBoarini Sarcasm aside. A true athiest and a devout religious person can NEVER find an equal ground. It's not just about willingness to understand.
The closest they can get is acceptance of each others existence.
At its very core, religion is unscientific. There may be some truths to the historical evidence corresponding with several holy books. But other than that, religion relies on belief. Science relies on repeatability and certainty.
As an agnostic athiest myself. I find the scientific method a more satisfying explanation for human history, rather than a creationist story where earth is a couple thousand years old.
But also, because science cannot currently explain the beginning of the universe and the origin of life. I'm inclined to believe that a creator of some kind "formed the universe".
@@MrMeasaftw Atheism and agnosticism have no justification that provides the pre conditions necessary for induction. The uniformity in nature. Your universe is ungoverned and is time and chance acting on matter and everything we see was rendered by accident. The proof of Gods existence is that without him you can’t prove anything. God is the precondition of intelligibility of all lines of proof, trying to prove things assumes a certain view of the universe of how men know what they know and how to live their lives. Only the Christian worldview can make sense of those assumptions. Proof itself requires the existence of God to be intelligent. Bertrand Russell, one of the most famous atheists in history. He wrote about this problem in a book called problems in philosophy. He said “we need a basis for the uniformity in nature”. Everything we do is based on the uniformity in nature. Science, logic, language. Give me a basis for the future being like the past? If you tell me it always has been thats a refutation of itself. I’m not asking you what the past was. I’m asking how do we know the future will be like the past. The moment you appeal to the past to do that, you’re refuting yourself. If an atheist says it always has been reply so you live by faith? Christians have faith in a person, in a God that has revealed himself and he’s told us with certainty
@@MrMeasaftw Are social sciences religion or science?
And that’s also something we believers need to remember. Compassion and understanding are our tools in a debate, not sarcasm, self-righteousness, or mockery. Far too often we, myself included, get caught up in the moment and respond in kind, rather than stopping the verbal jousting and responding in love.
I’m a Christian and there’s no way a religious argument can win over an atheist argument. The atheist is basing things on the physical realm. Things that are tangible and predictable. But that is why we are called believers and not scientifists. You can’t argue with against someone who brings you physical evidence because we don’t have much. We have spiritual evidence/existential evidence. Which can’t be formulated in a logical debate. We shouldn’t even try to convince unbelievers unbelievers with reason and logic. All we need to do is spread the Gospel by the way we conduct ourselves. That is all. God will do the rest.
Unless you can demonstrate that you have a reliable way to measure/detect things in the spiritual realm I see little reason to believe it exists. Otherwise, if one was intellectually consistent, it would be reason to believe all sorts of crazy and conflicting things.
Almost, but also logic can be applied to hypothetical situations.
For example they'll say everything has cause and effect so something must have created the universe. Then we go "who created god?" and they'll throw that logic out the window. Special exceptions are not allowed, if god doesn't need a cause then neither does the universe.
I watch religious debates all of the time and what usually happens is the atheist will give proof of their claims and then the religious person will just ignore them or deny it and that's about it
Bias thinking.
@@bakedbeans5494 No, I'm just seeing it for what it is.
@@lennonkelly-james2693 Keep lying.
@@bakedbeans5494 Keep lying to yourself.
@@bakedbeans5494 you say his lying until we ask what's the evidence for one to believe in a God 😂
Ricky is a comedian. Irony is his job. And also, debating magic is funny.
What’s magic got to do with anything here
@@kinetic._crossing4591 Miracles, God, Resurrections, being created out of dust, hell, heaven, etc. Clearly magic and clearly doesn’t exist.
@@GringoBrasileiro2022 clearly your opinion, don’t disrespect others Religions
@@kinetic._crossing4591
1st. You’re right. It is my opinion.
2nd. No. I will not respect other people’s religion. Religion shouldn’t demand respect just because people care about it. If we treat religion differently than we treat politics, philosophy, science, etc. religious discourse will not grow and atheistic discourse won’t grow. Giving special privilege to these things only stifles progress.
3rd. Theism affects me directly. If the Christian consensus is that people who don’t believe in their God will go to hell, then that means I will go too. That line of thinking dehumanizes me, because they think that I will deserve it or I sent myself there. So aside from stifling progress, Christians also with their ideology oppresses whoever doesn’t believe in their God.
What I’m trying to get at is that no subject matter should get immunity from irony. That’s why I think I should be able to poke fun at religion.
@@GringoBrasileiro2022 not every Christian says your going to hell that’s literally doing something that’s against our Religion we are meant to love everyone, I’m not asking for special Privilege, I’m not asking for the majority of Christians including me to be held accountable for bad actions of other Christians, I’m asking for respect, it literally costs nothing and it’s pretty easy not to make fun of something
Sounds like you are about to cry pal
Thank you for proving his point.
@@forwardsdrawkcab Im just saying his voice sounds like he's about to cry, that's all.
Denial, that is, atheism, is a game of materialism. The person who denies God feeds only on material values and wants to forget that he will die, but the life of this world ends quickly, and human beings were created with the feeling of eternity. They want to exist forever. It is very difficult for people to think that they disappear when they die. The person who knows will live by thinking about the afterlife and doing good. He will attain eternal paradise. Is eternal paradise better, or is the eternal hell fire of the person who denies good? It is not possible to get out of hell, which is covered with walls and fire. Religion Islam says that Allah exists and is one.❤❤️💓💗
@@brightroarttttbbbb Keep your cult to yourself pal
@@brightroarttttbbbb Maybe hell is just a normal place. Even the devil could be good.
The sarcasm is definitely the main thing but I think it’s because those people have delt with bad Christians and they put up a wall because not all people practice what they preach
After saying the same thing 10000 times, people tend to lean toward sarcasm.
Saying what? Nonsense?
A conversation a person has had with 9999 other people has little to no bearing on your conversation with the 10000th person.
It's a completely new conversation. If you believe the other 9999 conversations are meaningful to this new conversation, you don't understand the fundamentals of communication.
What I've found is that the first conversation an atheist has is just as vapid as the 10000th and the excuse for poor behavior is just to cover for the fact that the atheist didn't have a real argument in the first place.
@@silverbackhayabusa Well said. But there is something to be considered about patterns, repetitiveness and the same stubborness showed by theists. And let's not get started about those raving fanatics with foam in their mouths saying that EVERYONE is actually a believer, but they're just afraid (Of what?) to admit it because they're sinful. Ludicrous.
@@TrollUnderSomeBridge There's fools on both sides. That said, I have yet to find a coherent, objective, dispassionate, and rational debate or dialogue on TH-cam by an atheist that doesn't rely on ignorance or misrepresentation of Christianity.
Feel free to share one with me.
And there is absolutely nothing wrong with stubbornness if you are right. Should I not be stubborn about 2+2=4 or should I ignore facts for the sake of being inclusive and accepting of someone's belief that 2+2=5?
Regarding those mouth foamers, I'm one of them though I don't result to foaming at the mouth. Speak to any psychologist and ask if people regularly deny reality as a coping mechanism and if that denial can become so strong that they actually believe false things about reality.
I also find it odd that you cannot possibly fathom what there is to be fearful of which may get back to a lack of understanding of Christianity. It's like standing in the midst of a burning house and claiming there is no inferno and even if there were, why would anyone be afraid of being surrounded by an inferno.
@@silverbackhayabusa he’s never listened to an atheist debate lmaooo
Exactly.
Dude, he's a comedian... that's his whole deal lol
Yeah sure, even if he is joking you shouldn’t play with someone’s religion. Just because you’re a “comedian” doesn’t give you special privileges if you didn’t know…….
@@Izanagi057 hell is very hot, burn in it if you choose so
He wasn’t just talking about this guy. The dude in the video clearly said DEBATES between Christian’s & atheists as in plural my guy. They’re typically filled with the sarcastic narcissistic atheist that worships scientism 🤷🏻♀️ you scream about logic but logic isn’t even a scientific term. Logic isn’t scientifically backed up. It’s a philosophical term used to describe correct reasoning & thought. In other words logic is (hard pillow to swallow here) based on personal experiences & opinions 😬 I know that’s going to be a very hard truth for you to accept buddy but science ≠ logic 🫥
Dude, non-comedian atheists display the same behavior.
Source, every atheist argument on TH-cam.*
*Some mild exaggeration has been used in this post.
Forget the guy in the video💀we’re talking abt atheists in general
I can easily say, and I do believe this, that most christians I see in debates are self-righteous and do the moral posturing as well. It’s not the belief that causes this it’s the situation they’re in. Most people think a debate is about winning people over, which fair enough. But they will use this virtue signaling and posturing as a way to make their arguments seem like they have more merit.
i feel like when you come to God you unlock a lot more truth and understanding. we are sinners so what we are naturally inclined to do is often wrong, so when you learn about how God wants you to live life you feel different. i’m sorry to hear christian’s seem self righteous in debates to you. God bless you in Jesus’ name❤
@@RepentandBelieveintheGospel123 you just proved his point
So reject the argument because it sounds arrogant or scoffing?
I cannot tell you how many times I have been laughed at, scorned, mocked, and ridiculed by Christians for having a problem with the evidence they provide.
Clean up your own house first.
A Christian stating, "...you can really weigh the evidence," is perhaps the most oxymoronic thing I've ever heard 😂
You’ve clearly never seen or heard a debate on God’s existence
You're literally proving his point.
Bro how?
What does oxymoronic mean
@@mysterypie two opposing things next to each other, like "bittersweet"
Man's breaking down a comedian on sarcasm
Because that's what atheist do. Mockery and sarcasm.
@@wowulam7411He not real
@@wowulam7411 theists do too.
Ya''ll need to stop with the victim complex and recognize every community of people have their unfortunate subset of assholes/trolls.
Christians are no different, often going to atheist channels to make homophobic slurs.
Do you think MAGA represents Christianity as a whole? I don't. So you should also concede that not all atheists are the same.
@@wowulam7411Ricky is a comedian, ofc he gonna be sarcastic.
@@wowulam7411could you take seriously someone who believes in magical unicorns there is about as much evidence for that as god actually more now that i think about it.
Also quit saying atheists do as if were some group that all does the same things were just anyone that doesn’t believe a god exists
Why so many people think all atheists are like this
Because all the ones here are lol
Experience.
They filled the comments. There's more sarcasm coming from atheists in this comment section than there are water molecules in the ocean and it's palpable.
Watch they'll come after me for saying that and it'll be funny. Just keep checking the comments here.
@@MuscleManSupreme atheists love to confirm our criticisms of them.
Reddit is full of them
Dude Matt dilahunty killed you with logic and reason when you debated him
That's illegal.
Which debate was that
@@Carpaintry_of_God the one with Matt dilahunty
We as Christians are just as guilty as self-righteous posturing. I don't think it's an issue though. If you are persuaded by humor rather than the issue at hand, your not going to be reasoned with. Also, I'm from Northern Ireland, our personalities are built around being sarcastic 😂
Thank you!! Sarcasm is just a method of getting a point across. You can’t poke holes in sarcasm, you can poke holes in the logic that is holding up that sarcasm
The dude is literally a comic.
And well… your ivan200804
@@thecloggedtoilet5249, and you're thecloggedtoilet 😂!! Love 💕
@@charlottesmom And you're charlottesmom:
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If you watch a debate with someone like Alex O Connor there is not going to be sarcasm and self righteousness. That’s stuff for the average Reddit atheist or something.
My challenge to theists, DON'T cherry pick our representative in your video from a comedian, ESPECIALLY when the specific video is probably a lighthearted context :P
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In order to weigh evidence, evidence needs to be presented. As soon as evidence IS presented, we can go over it
I think the issue with atheists is they never define what desirable evidence is for them. And when evidence that many would consider legitimate is presented to them, they dismiss it as unreasonable evidence even though they never define what reasonable evidence would be.
Do you know how to make a rose? I know you can make a human, but do you even fully understand consciousness?
@@JanieBee Do you?
Like eye witness accounts?
@@JanieBee man use to need gods to explain lighting and thunder and other natural phenomena but we’ve evolved past that. There are things we don’t have all the answers to yet but that doesn’t mean god is the answer.
Weigh the evidence, Mike?
How can I weigh an empty scale?
Religion is literal hearsay at best and jumping to "therefore god" because something is not understood yet IS naive and ridiculous.
Exactly, you can’t ever prove atheism
@@Maan514 lol, and you can't prove god... there is nothing to prove in atheism, I just refuse to believe until I get actual proof.... let me rephrase that, I no longer believe, because the "proof" I've been given is either easily refuted or unsubstantiated.
@@Maan514 Can you prove not believing in leprechauns?
That depends on your definition of an 'empty scale'. You have your reasons for believing what you do. You have heard the argument in favour of God. You refused to accept it. That says that it is not an empty scale, but a choice on your side.
I weighed the evidence, and concluded long ago that religion is nonsense. Now i use sarcasm and mockery because being told I need 'faith' irritates me.
Wake up, weigh up the evidence, it is nonsense.
Shut up 🙄
Just to clarify, the Bible is not fiction. It is infact a philosophy book, & is the study of Theology & Apologetics. Many things in the Bible still exist today like the statues in Egypt, & the temple in Jerusalem etc. Also timelines, in history there's B.C.E & A.D. which stands for "Before Christ Existence" & "After the Death of Christ." I myself used to be a "proud Atheist/Agnostic/Satanist/Witch" & I hated God & Jesus. Reading a book didn't make me believe in God. Sincerely asking him to reveal himself & Meeting & having a relationship with the Holy Spirit/Jesus MADE me believe in God, & i have NO DOUBT now that he is real, & now I KNOW that I was the fool. There's plenty of evidence of God's/Jesus existence but people don't care to seek it.
@@IAmHoly888 Let's be generous and say that the Bible is a compilation of historical fictions. Set in the past, with an overall backdrop and historical context that reflect some real historical events, settings and characters, together with a bunch of folklore from the middle eastern region.
However, the bibles many authors appear to have mixed together dramatizations of some historical events, with their ideas and imagination, to set out the basis of their christian religion.
There are so many aspects of the bible which are contradicted by scientfic fact, and contradictions within the bibles books themselves - as I say, it winds up being a nonsense.
Your journey from atheist, to agnostic, to satanist, to witch, to christian shows you're searching for understanding or meaning.
I wish you luck with that, with the anticipation that it will lead you back to being agnostic and eventually atheist.
May I also ask where you are from and where you live, and is christianity the main religion in those places?
If so, why do you think you have found that christianity and the bible are what you have come to believe in, rather than one of the many other deities or religious texts?
@@IAmHoly888let me tell u somthing if murder is a sin why did ur so on god do it to a lot of people seem weird to me
@@Nobodycaresssssssssssssssssss That's understandable, he did that as a consequence for them not listening to him in the past, & that's what Jesus is for, God realized that it wasn't good killing people, & he loves us so much that he sent his one & only son Jesus to be sacrificed & defeat death/hell, Jesus was perfect, he is the only perfect person, & he forgives sin if you are truly sincere to change, & sin less.
To be fair, he's a comedian
People shouldn’t be mocked. Beliefs are fair game.
I do agree if you are engaging with someone it is never helpful to be sarcastic or mock if you are truly hoping to have a meaningful conversation.
I find most people on the internet do not want to engage in anything meaningful
I mock atheists all the time
@@FrankWinchester cool
@@CaptainFantastic222 Sophistry is not an argument.
Welcome to the internet boomer
@@alimatt9685 Millennial, but point taken
its hard to debate a child about the existence of santa claus without being sarcastic
It isn't hard, I have lots of solid evidence and never belittle their belief
@@rrun2life u r a better person than i am:)
He isn't trying to be rude. Laughing and sarcasm is a coping mechanism for having to continue to defend a set of beliefs that go against the main stream belief system that he has more proof of. He's just trying to live his life. And the fact that he has to identify himself an atheist (non-believer) is ridiculous in itself. And all of his points are valid, but hes a comedian. They're literally argueing that a comedian shouldn't deal with topics with comedy. I feel like if he did have a very calm and serious conversation with any deist he would still rip their position apart, with facts, and it would still end with a diest saying that they believe and have faith no matter what proof comes their way, because that's what someone in a cult says...and, you can't take that seriously.
@@LeeLeeLove222ye rick especially is the nicest person but to be fair there are some nasty atheists out there, who are mean, who view themselves better or smarter than the rest, who would go to crazy lengths to prove to a simple Joe that he has been an idiot for his whole life
Everything is proof of a maker. It takes more faith to believe nothing created all this than a Creator.
Okay, riddle me this:
How can a koala, a species that we know is currently in Australia (a continent many miles from any other mainlands), get back from where the ark supposedly stopped (the mountains of aratat, mount aratat is in Turkey)? They cannot swim, and have a maximum walking speed of around 30 kmph. They exclusively eat leaves found in a select few Australian forests.
What sort of evidence do you think I am not currently weighing thoughtfully?
An atheist can sarcastically rip apart theocratic arguments. It really doesn't matter how it's said. It is about what is said.
👏yes. I think the sarcasm and laughing is to lighten the mood on topics that they shouldn't have to continue to defend their position on.
The issue here is many hide behind scoffing and posturing INSTEAD of looking at the evidence/arguments. The video made that point, but I guess u missed it or ignored it.
@@arcguardian I don't think I did. The words are still the words, no matter how they are said. So, I'm looking at the point, I just don't care how it was delivered.
I think everyone forgets this guy is a comedian, with a style of sarcasm and mockery.
@@arcguardian but there isn’t any evidence, so there isn’t an argument.
Which “evidence” are you referring to exactly? Would love to see/hear it!
Don't hold your breath
Would a basic law of nature, the 2nd Law of Thermodynamics, qualify? We are surrounded by order and complexity. That either came from a great random, accidental explosion, or from an infinitely complex and ordered Creator. Enter the 2nd Law: Entropy increases, things run down, going from ordered to chaotic, not the other way 'round.
Another similar law of nature would be biogenesis. Life only comes from life, not from non-living matter. Pasteur proved this in a time when people 'knew' that ants 'came from' spilt syrup, 'knew' that mice 'came from' rags, and 'knew' that maggots 'came from' rotting flesh. Over 150 years later, and the consensus of the scientific community is that we 'know' the first cells 'came from' a primordial soup of inorganic chemicals. What will we 'know' tomorrow, I wonder?
@UCDFzHPTv1llbtkMkjHOePMA That's all completely wrong. Please look in to abiogenesis and the laws of thermodynamics. Because these are sciences that do NOT support anykind of magical creator, whatsoever. Get your stuff straight.
This is science and science per definition is purely naturalistic. In fact; science is also called _methodological naturalism._ So please stop lying and acting like there is even a single scientific field that would support the supernatural in anykind of way. This only makes you a liar or at the very least; ignorant towards science.
@@OzkanArac Look into them? I just cited them. But thanks for making my point for me, first by using circular reasoning ("My point is right because it's right!") and _ad hominem_ attacks. If you had logical arguments against my 2 points (2nd Law says things get more random, not more organized; biogenesis says life does not come from inorganic matter), then you would have made them. The fact that you did not, and instead just kicked dust in the air and yelled a lot, is telling....
@@billparrish4385 Sure, science says we need the supernatural because life can't come from non life and because entropy is rising.
Do you even hear yourself? Do you think anyone would buy that nonsense?
Abiogenesis is the SCIENTIFIC field that studies exactly the origins of life. Nowhere in that entire field does it say that there is a gap or a need for the supernatural. They are literally uncovering ways for organic molecules to form, the very molecules for life. They already created many kinds of aminoacids and made it to other milestones in that field. None... literally none of it says there is an issue with the naturalistic part of this scientific, note, SCIENTIFIC and not religious, field.
Thermodynamics as well. Where the hell do you get the idea that one of the most fundamental laws of physics, hinges on the universe not being naturalistic? Again, do you even hear yourself? Your profound ignorance in science is making you mistake what science itself even means. In thermodynamics, there are laws. One of which says that entropy will always go up, in a CLOSED or ISOLATED system. No one is even sure if the universe is a closed, open or isolated system but the common concensus is that it may be a closed or isolated sytem. But it would still not make anykind of difference. We have a giant star nearby to give us the energy we need a billion times over. So, even if the entropy of the entire universe is going up... our little patch of universe has no problems with that.
If you were right then most physicists would obviously be theists. But in this scientific field 99 percent is atheist. They do not believe in Gods because they know where the wind comes from and where the sun goes at night. You're ironage beliefs have nothing to do with modern science. Which again, methodological NATURALISM is another way of describing science. Not methodological theism.
I don’t see the issue with sarcasm here. It’s a tool used either to make people laugh or get a point across. And I’ve never known any atheist to act “morally superior” over others let alone an atheist comedian. Like, what’s self righteous about cracking jokes?
Bro 1:There's 4,039,671,184 female in the world
Bro 2:I'm married to a woman
Bro 1:I don't, but you only married one, ur nearly as unmarried as me
*Aaaabsolutely* correct, Mike! 👏👏
On the other hand: Christians need to check themselves for doing *exactly* the same thing .. ⚠️ ⚠️ ⚠️
I am a Christian and I have to agree with you it’s an easy trap to fall into
Agreed on so many levels...
Yeah… I have to agree. I see a lot of Christians make fun of or name call people in the LGBTQ community and I don’t think it’s helpful. Idk bout you but I think calling them the alphabet mob/community/gang whatever just comes off a little mean and I’m someone that believes in the Biblical definition of marriage and anything outside that definition is sin.
@@rissroo4325 yep. I agree, that's very unhelpful and disrespectful.
@@rissroo4325 it’s because what they say is nonsense. And there’s plenty of non Christian’s that do it
I used to be a christian but I weighed the evidence and now I'm an atheist.
U have opened u r mind, excellent!
Our creator said in Quran:
"Did you think We had created you in vain (without any purpose), and that you would not be brought back to Us?’ (Quran 23:115)
"Exalted is He (God) who holds all control in His hands; who has power over all things; ˹He is the One˺ Who created life and death in order to test which of you is best in deeds. And He is the Almighty, All-Forgiving. who created the seven heavens, one above the other. You will not see any flaw in what the Lord of Mercy creates. Look again! Can you see any flaw?" (Quran 67:1-3 )
"And [mention, O Prophet], when your Lord said to the angels, "Indeed, I will make upon the earth a successive authority." They said, "Will You place upon it one who causes corruption therein and sheds blood, while we declare Your praise and sanctify You?" God said, "Indeed, I know that which you do not know."(Quran 2:30)
"Can there be any doubt about God, the Creator of the heavens and earth? He calls you to Him in order to forgive you your sins and let you enjoy your life until the appointed hour.’ But they said, ‘You are only men like us. You want to turn us away from what our forefathers used to worship. Bring us clear proof then, [if you can].’ (Quran 14:10)
"Do man think he will be left without purpose? Was he not a drop of sperm emitted (in lowly form)? Then he was a clinging clot, and [ God ] created [his form] and proportioned [him] producing from it both sexes, male and female. Is such ˹a Creator˺ unable to bring the dead back to life?"
"We have indeed made whatever is on earth as an adornment for it, in order to test which of them is best in deeds."
"We shall certainly test you with fear and hunger, and loss of property, lives, and crops. But [Prophet], give good news to those who are steadfast. those who say, when afflicted with a calamity, ‘We belong to God and to Him we shall return.’ (Quran 2:155-156)
"Indeed, in the creation of the heavens and the earth and the alternation of the night and the day are signs for those of understanding. those who remember God while standing and sitting and on their sides, and reflect upon the creation of the heavens and the earth: “Our Lord, You did not create this in vain. Highly Exalted are You, so protect us from the punishment of the Fire." (Quran 3:190-191)
"Indeed, We have sent revelation to you ˹O Prophet˺ as We sent revelation to Noah and the prophets after him. We also sent revelation to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and his descendants, ˹as well as˺ Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon. And to David We gave the Psalms." (Quran 4:163)
"Those who have believed and whose hearts are assured by the remembrance of God . Verily in the remembrance of God do hearts find rest!"
"O humanity! Indeed, God’s promise is true. So do not let the life of this world deceive you, nor let the Chief Deceiver(Satan) deceive you about God. Surely Satan is an enemy to you, so take him as an enemy. He only invites his followers to become inmates of the Blaze."(Quran 35:5-6)
"And when My servants ask you, [O Muhammad], concerning Me - indeed I am near. I respond to the invocation of the supplicant when he calls upon Me. So let them respond to Me [by obedience] and believe in Me that they may be [rightly] guided."
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said:
“When God loves one of his servant, He tests him to hear his supplication.”
Same
Ok, so what evidence has been weighed against the other 2699 gods? Or did Christians just happen to be raised in a culture obsessed with one?
yup
Not only did you show a clip of a comedian and complain that he was being sarcastic, but you also accused them of self-righteous posturing? Although this may not be you in specific, I hope you’re aware that many people debating about this on your side are definitely the perpetrators of this. Even if he was being sarcastic, the logic of the argument still holds and isn’t diminished. Any atheist that can form a good argument against Christianity with sarcasm could easily do so without, and there are many out there.
Someone has never watched Christopher Hitchens debate
Or seen the transcripts from the Scopes "Monkey" trial from almost a century ago about teaching evolution in schools. Oh, you can't teach that in school, you'll be damaging the children, it's a banned subject. Sound familiar? Wait until it happens again in Florida. At any rate William Jennings Bryan was one of the most respected Biblical scholars around, and Clarence Darrow just absolutely destroyed him on the witness stand during the trial. Every single thing Bryan could come up with as the "appropriate" and accepted interpretation of Biblical passages, Darrow could come up with a thoroughly documented contradiction of it. Essentially the Bible itself was put on trial and found guilty and worthless. If you hear preachers bemoaning how people "lost their way" in the 20th century and stopped following the Church doctrines, the Scopes trial is ground zero for where it started happening because people were learning how to read and write as never before and there was a huge increase in critical thinking that led people away from religion. Bryan was so shaken by this he died only a few days after the trial ended.
Hitchens was all wit no substance
Hitchens was literally destroyed in a debate by William Lane Craig.
@ItsKarlDude I've seen a few, he never comes close to doing anything other than trying to talk in a manner that confuses or obscures you into submission. Craig's point is immediately disarmed by saying ok well if the universe is so fine tuned it demands an intelligent creator than who created the creator. If God either always existed or popped into existence on his own then why not the universe? Atleast we have evidence pointing us to how the universe may have started but the humility to say we don't know at this point, the investigation isn't over.
@Shazbot that's not really a question that disarms Craig point but rather a show of ignorance of the subject at hand. The universe itself shows that it hasn't always existed as even science shows the universe will inevitably die. Meaning the universe will end and that which ends would have to have a beginning otherwise you cannot say the subject in question "always existed" that also handles the "popped into existence problem"
Now to the creator. Time is a constraint within our universe the creator of something is not within their creation before the creation was created so time being a part of this universe would be created along with this universe and the creator is outside of that creation. So logically speaking the creator of time is outside of time otherwise time would have existed before it was created which is illogical. So the creator would not just pop into existence as that refers to the existence of time thus has always existed this universe will end and that which has an end has a beginning so this universe hasn't always existed.
You really need to think about the whole picture instead of just what sounds like a logically made argument.
"It's obvious God exists"
I can probably keep my self-righteousness to below these levels if that's good enough.
A straw man argument no one made.
@@PETERJOHN101 it is basically every conversation with a religious person. Also his tone when he says: 'you'll see clearly or can weigh the evidence' says it's obvious.
@@PETERJOHN101 i back the other guy up.
Every time a theists says there are no atheists, that they just hate god or jesus, that they deny hom because they want to sin, or are mad at him for not doing what they wanted...
Furthermore the "it is obvious" angle is the basis for 4he argument from design and fine tuning so not really a strawman
@@mugennojin3513 what’s wrong with being assured in your faith? The days of the. Christian who panders to all false religions is over. These are the end times, are you hot or cold?
@@JanieBee there's nothing wrong with that, just like the video says it's about behaviour. Atheists are assured of what's provable by science, same as religion is assured of one or multiple Gods.
The other half of the argument is ridiculous. It's hard not to be sarcastic about it. And christians have the monopoly self-righteous posturing.
Which evidence? There is no evidence!
It’s hard to „debate“ somebody who is convinced they are right because they are right.
Let the atheists who suffer through such „debates“ at least have some fun!
Ok. But all Ricky’s observations are still valid.
Thank you.
Yeah EXACTLY. just cuz he is being sarcastic doesnt mean it’s illogical. I mean his points are incredibly valid.
Lol no they aren't. He's essentially claiming that the other gods have the same evidence as Jesus Christ and His resurrection, which is patently false.
@@arcguardian like it or not, it has about the same level of evidence man
@@abramallen4940 not true. Look into the evidence of the historical Jesus. The evidence is actually shocking, not even historians deny his existence and the huge impact he had on people. Now the debate stands, if he really did what was written about him - Miracles etc and the amount of manuscripts that back it up is more then the writings we have on other historical figures that people never question. The writings are of many that actually witnessed what happened. Look into the evidence? It only is the most important thing to actually explore...your eternity!
“God gives grace to the humble but opposes the proud.”
Meaningless.
@@stonemaze9925 Like life?
@@stonemaze9925 it's actually infinitely and eternally meaningful when you consider the ramifications and the Author from whom it comes.
If God only gives grace to the humble and God's grace is required for salvation and everlasting life, then only those humble enough to seek out God and accept His free gift of salvation will receive it.
@@Grandmaster_Dragonborn Depends if you need a god to give your life purpose
@@HotelCharliHill Says a book
It’s really true. As someone whose watched maaaaany debates between those amongst Harris, Hitchens, Turek and Lenox (to name a few) sarcasm and mockery are most dominant on the atheist side
I went to a religious school. I've listened to serious rational debates. I've weighed the evidence. I was non-judgemental. I'm still an atheist. It would be nice to go buy a sandwich on my lunch break without being told I'm going to hell by some loud, self-righteous street preacher.
So it's about the damnable traditional "hell" dogma.
It often is, and understandably so.
I can't blame you for rejecting Jesus Christ because of it.
It made me hate God too.
It's still the mainstream 'christian' view, despite the lack of support in the source material (the Bible).
It runs on piss poor exegesis and apologetics.
The Gospel is clear though:
The wages of sin is death, but in Christ is eternal life.
(No eternal life in hell or without Christ)
Agreed. I once tried to have a debate with my friend on this. He just regurgitated the same "where do your morals come from" argument. When I explained that, he just got silent and left. He didn't talk to me for about a week. But then we just put it behind us. You should never force your beliefs on someone who doesn't want to hear it. And you have to be willing to accept that there's no changing their faith.
@@TheSixerFixer
With respect, you probably both regurgitate irreconcilable narratives.
But having said that, if evolutionary thinking is based on the survival of the fittest (or best adapted) as the mechanism to evolve, then it is basically 'kill or be killed' ultimately, and there will be little sympathy for the weak, like it is in the animal kingdom.
Atheism is the world's biggest dead end. A person who denies the existence of God contradicts himself. Because humans are naturally weak and in need of shelter. They cannot solve most of their problems. People also face many problems that they cannot solve. Sometimes illness, sometimes loneliness, etc. They experience problems. Most people believe in God and they are the only ones who respond to those who ask for help. Existence is Allah, He accepts prayers, there is great harmony in the universe, the sun, the moon and the stars. Could these happen by chance? The last religion, Islam, says that Allah is one Islam values brotherhood and cooperation.
Denial, that is, atheism, is a game of materialism. The person who denies God feeds only on material values and wants to forget that he will die, but the life of this world ends quickly, and human beings were created with the feeling of eternity. They want to exist forever. It is very difficult for people to think that they disappear when they die. The person who knows will live by thinking about the afterlife and doing good. He will attain eternal paradise. Is eternal paradise better, or is the eternal hell fire of the person who denies good? It is not possible to get out of hell, which is covered with walls and fire. Religion Islam says that Allah exists and is one.❤💞💕💕
That’s a good challenge, I’d like to see someone try to justify the need for those attitudes in argument. You figure they’re great persuasive tools, but that they aren’t tools of reasoning. I think the average experience with them would suggest that they are tools that can impair reasoning.
The jokes and sarcasm is just a shield to hide behind.
“God will punish you if you don’t believe”
Yeah, you’re getting laughs
@@prissylovejoy702
What does the God hypothesis predict. ?
I ABSOLUTELY agree! They always seem to impair reasoning. At the root of this is pride, laziness and a deep lack of understanding. It so much easier to just scoff at what one is too lazy to research and learn.
@@markita.hardenhome
The reason why we laugh at your claims is because we’ve researched and learned
Lol
The atheist is saying that god doesn’t exist while the Christian says he dose. Where is the proof of god? Stories from a book?? You’ll have to do better than that.
Where do you find proofs? In a book usually - so if books are out of the realm of legitimate arguments - I guess you're out of luck
Miracles, changed lives for the better, history.
It's actually books of historical texts. If u study history and how it's actually done, the Bible becomes a nightmare for anyone who said to themselves it's just a myths.
@@arcguardian so you're telling me that if i keep a comic book for 3000 years people in that time will believe its true because it's written in the past?
So true
Good thing the comments said everything I wanted to already
I have never seen a ratio like this hahahahaha. Mike really stepped in it with this one.
Your evidence for this is Jerry Gervais, a comedian. Not Hitchens, Dawkins, Harris or Dennett. You chose....a comedian and not the intellectual scholars who have for decades engaged in hundreds of debates. Good on you for at least being as unbiased in your references as you are in your information.
Agreed. I see it WAY too much. One should always listen with true intent to understand even if you find another beliefs preposterous. To say other wise is to say you already know what they're going to say which makes one ignoramus probably stemming from too much pride. You never know when you might hear something that radically changes your life.
That is so true in every area of life!
Would you listen respectfully to a grown adult that believes in Santa Claus? No. This is the same
@@Yumao420 Yes, actually. I definitely don't believe in Santa Clauses but I would be genuinely curious on why they do. They may think Santa Clauses is something completely different concept of what you or I believe him to be. Additionally, I wouldn't be able to help them if I didn't listen to them.
@@Carlos_Cintron that's respectable, absolutely so. But do you really believe you have the patience to deal with people like this on a daily basis? Shutting up to keep the peace even if you can't believe how absurd is what you hear?
@@Yumao420 you’re just going to invoke an aggressive reaction from the opponent rather than convince them. If that’s your goal though, you do you.
Logic becomes sarcasm because it’s been ridiculed in his mind enough for it to be a joke at some point
All of you who missed the point whilst trying to define the word sarcasm. What he's saying is that the atheistic argument actually has very little substance when you take away all of their sarcastic remarks because most atheists just play on the fact that it is human nature not to believe anything outside of the five senses. So in a debate, atheists often make snide remarks ridiculing the perceived improbability of God's existence (which is in fact very probable when you apply logic and reason). These remarks get the most laughter and audience response, making it appear as though they've completely destroyed the opposition's when they really haven't.
I disagree with the Athiest Guy.
CHRISTIAN's rejects 2697 GODs not 2699.😂😂😂😂
@@fj3571 " What he's saying is that the atheistic argument actually has very little substance when you take away all of their sarcastic remarks because most atheists just play on the fact that it is human nature not to believe anything outside of the five senses."
No, it's about what can be verified, measured, and understood.
"So in a debate, atheists often make snide remarks ridiculing the perceived improbability of God's existence (which is in fact very probable when you apply logic and reason)."
No, it's actually not. Logically, it makes more sense that no such being exists. Can you point to a single, repeatable measurement? A sample of DNA, anything? We don't accept bronze age tomes as fact.
"These remarks get the most laughter and audience response, making it appear as though they've completely destroyed the opposition's when they really haven't."
Why do you refuse the divine light of Horus then? Odin? Thor? Krishna? The Anunnaki? There have been so many gods throughout history. Not one has ever posed for a photo or offered a tissue sample to confirm his identity.
You will come regret that comment. Pls research No God but One: Allah or Jesus? A Former Muslim Investigates the Evidence for Islam and Christianity
@@hail2703 what the Hell are you commenting?
Well the problem is, The Holy Bible declares, “we are without excuse.” so anyone who is self proclaimed atheist is purposely coming against God and anger. They know that He exists and choose not to follow him, but they have enmity with him so you will only get mockery. It is impossible to have a conversation with an atheist and see any respect with them. Th are purposefully against Him and deny Him. Therefore it is only a matter of time before they become disrespectful if they can even manage to be polite for a moment. The contradiction, however, is that the denial of Christ is disrespect. “Do not argue with a fool.”
I've seen several debates where the atheist is being earnestly straight-forward, without sarcasm or ridicule, and the atheist provided many supportable points that the theist simply could not, or did not even attempt to counter. Meanwhile, if you remove all of the unsupported statements and assertions of the religious then no debate is taking place, it's only silence from your side.
Indeed. I’ve seen it both ways. I don’t like how one side will act like it’s constantly the other side and never theirs
@@therick363 Then again, debate is hardly earnest discussion is it. There are agendas and tactics to attempt to sway the audience to take your side, whether you believe in what you're debating or not.
@@Ironoclasty so true so true. Seems gone are the days like the ancient Greeks who knew how to have discussions
Exactly
There still isn't any evidence for a creator, regardless of how often comedians choose to be sarcastic.
That's interesting, because it was the ongoing strength of the evidence that convinced me. And i was continually struck by just how disingenuous and deceptive the atheistic experts were in finding ways to dismiss that evidence to claim there isn't any.
Not saying you are disingenuous or deceptive, just that you might be relying on those who are.
@@charlesbruneski9670 Woudl like like to share with me this strong evidence that you know of?
@Axel Andersson Yes. I'm glad to share with someone who's willing to listen.
This will be a flyover summary, since there's so much and I don't know which points you might want further detail on.
Cosmology: fine tuning of the constants. There are more than a dozen constants of nature, and forces, and ratios between them that have to be tuned to mind numbing precision for life to be possible. The starting conditions also need to be precisely set for life and this is independent of the constants.
Abiogenesis: you can't get the right chemicals for life in either the right form, right concentrations or right purity to self assemble life. If you could, it still wouldn't self assemble. You can't get soups of enough amino acids or nucleic acids, and If you could they can only make short chains that still don't link properly. The chances that something could self assemble are also mind numbing small.
Evolution: even if you get life started it won't go anywhere. It looked promising when Darwin first proposed the theory and they thought life was a bag of chemicals that easily performed its function. Now we know that the distance between functional genes is so vast that all the existence of life would be hard pressed to form a couple new genes. With every new advance in how to synthesize some portion of the process, the goal posts get further away.
Reliability of the Bible: skeptics like Bart Ehrman like to point out how many discrepancies there are between copies of the books, but they're usually deceptive. If you know how to do textual criticism, you see just how much better the Bible is than any other historical work. Ehrman himself has admitted it when he's pressed for what it actually points to. We have more texts, closer to the events than almost anything else, and can have great confidence in what the text originally was. Most discrepancies are meaningless, (spelling mistakes and minor grammatical errors where we still know what the text said and it matches the other texts.) The number of meaningful discrepancies is small and there are none that affect a Major Christian doctrine. Mike Winger has a number of videos on this.
Skeptics objections: there are many things over the years that were absolutely positively put forward as definitive errors in the Bible. Did you know the Hittites and Nabateans, never existed? The poll of Bethesda, and the portico of the temple were pure fabrications. The gospels were written much too late to be based on eyewitness testimony. And terms used for rulers at the time, places, and even entire governors must have been invented by people unfamiliar with government or customs at the time. It really was a horribly contradictory book if you listened to the skeptics... until new evidence and writings from more excavations came in. And in dozens of places the writers of the Bible were right, and the skeptics wrong. But they never update their skepticism. Most skeptics today have to admit most of the case of Jesus's life including the empty tomb, because even first century skeptics admitted that, and the only explanation from the first century to that is the worst one. They had to admit the facts that everyone who was still alive knew.
The gospels read like eyewitness accounts and corroborate each other everywhere in undefined ways.
I can't even do it justice in a summary. It would be better for discussion if you were to give me your best objections and see how many of them are based on misconceptions, false premises, or deceptive statements by skeptics.
I never understand sweeping statements like these - the claim is that there isn't "any evidence". It's not that there is some weak evidence but see it's weak sauce or there is evidence that is better explained in some other way - it's that there's none, zip, nada evidence.
So, if there is no evidence, then there are 2 implications
1. That theists are all cuckoo
2. The observations of anything out there is so easily explained by natural processes that there is simply no need for any other explanations.
Neither of these implications can be argued in an airtight manner. Ergo, we must reach the conclusion that people who make such a sweeping claim are the real cuckoos.
@@ajsirch and I see often they are too ready to simply dismiss any evidence that isn't easily explained naturally. If it doesn't point where they like, it can't be real evidence. And there's a lot of circular reasoning.
To be fair, Ricky is a comedian and he's always trying to get a rise out of people.
You don't mock God even in trying to be funny. Bible says His children die for lack of knowledge and in this case pure stupidity
Right.. getting to the bottom of an issue is never priority
Empirical truth. Consider that our beliefs only yield useful results if they in the end match what is real. Why do we believe and why don't we believe? Do we desire the truth or comfort more?
It’s true that making fun of the other side is not a good thing to do in debates - and it’s a problem that both sides of this argument have. However, if you search up transcripts of official debates between experts in the field, they (thankfully) don’t have any of the sarcasm and self-righteous posturing on either side.
But through his sarcasm he came up with a really good point lol.
Still went right over his head lmao.
@@K0wfaceexactly
It's not a good point because it's not linear. It's not like if you believe in god you're 1/2700% theist. That's not how it works.
@@waydeclark literally irrelevant lmao. You missed the heart of the argument. He views a Christian’s belief in god the same way the Christian sees other religions believing in their own god. Who cares about the linearity of it lol. Way to bring up a useless point haha
@@K0wface You didn't understand my point. The linearity of it does matter as it is not linear and therefore renders the comedian's argument incorrect.
it’s hard not to use sarcasm when you use the word evidence to prove your point
What evidence lmao. Lack of evidence you mean
@Spike Spiegel logic and evidence aren't the same things, I can tell you about this thing that was widely believed for thousands of years called the earth-centric model of the universe where the earth was considered the center of existence... and it was scientific "fact" for a long time until it was disproven... so claiming something is a "fairytail" because you don't have any way to prove it's not true just shows your complete lack of honesty and that your "logic" isn't worth much after all.
@@251rmartin maybe you should go to Israel and see the Red Sea for the evidence that supports the Bible before you call it a fairytale
Once you start going down the path of studying Papias of Hierapolis, Eusebius of Caesarea, Irenaeus of Lugdunum, Ignatius of Antioch, Polycarp of Smyrna, Clement of Rome, and the works of St. Jerome whose manuscripts reside within the Vatican along side many of the others I listed, you will start to realize the truth that is of Jesus of Nazareth. And I pray to all to accept him into their hearts.
Mike, have you ever stopped to think WHY they are being sarcastic and self-righteous...?
I'm an athiest and proud.
Yay
Alright I guess
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@@mistylover7398I mean, so am I, but I've got no other answer
poor you
Man, people really didn't understand this video.
Aren’t Christians the exact same in those kind of debates lol
@@C0astinG4mer No. That's not to say Christians aren't flawed in debates, but they don't rely on sarcasm as shown in the video.
@@dutch_asocialite Kent Hovind does, but I won’t say that it is right for him to
@@dutch_asocialiteI think your guilty of a bit of confirmation bias. I honestly don’t know who would be found to be more sarcastic if we took a poll. But I find the opposite to be true, I find MANY Christian’s rely heavily on sarcasm when dealing with this subject. Especially when dealing with kids, the goal seems to be make a mockery out of non belief so that children associate atheism with all kinds of nonsense. Not saying every believer is guilty of it, but it does happen. He’s a comedian though, his job is to make a mockery of things. He literally does the same thing to celebrities when he hosts.
@@dutch_asocialite what you consider to be sarcasm are just facts and arguments that you are unwilling to understand. So you your mind calls them sarcasm.
LOL you mean the kind of self righteousness like "you wull burn in hell for not believing" that one?
I am proud of not creating nonsense answers for complex question. We would still live like in medieval times if there weren't people that ignored the answer "It's what God wanted" and really searched for the true answers.
Have you ever studied the history of science? I did and it sounds like you may not have.
@@truthisbeautiful7492 Do you have an arguments or are you just shouting nonsense?
@@Temblizz I asked you a question. That's not 'nonsense.' you made a historical claim - so I was asking if you had done any study to find out if your claim is true or not. I'll ask another question - what is the evidence for your claim?
@@truthisbeautiful7492 Logical thinking isn't based on qualification. Asking what my degree is makes you look kinda ignorant. If you have an argument, then tell it and actually make sense instead of showing off your degree lmao.
There is this concept of blasphemy which gave a reason to kill you if you don't believe in the things that Christians told you. That makes searching for the true reasons of things kinda impossible. The church always made effort to fight against logical thinking if it's against their believes. Let me give you some examples and excuse me if I don't write it correctly, English isn't my first language.
- Heleocentrism by Nicolaus Copernicus
- Theory of evolution by Charles Darwin
- The disection of corpses to find the true reason for illness
@@Temblizz ok I'll help you out. Your claim is false and nonsensical. He didn't ask you for a degree he asked if you've ever studied the history or science. Modern science was built by Christians seeking God. Issac Newton, Galileo, etc, all chose studying God's creation as a form of worship. So yes, logic and reasoning was accomplished because "God would want me to."
We’ll weigh the evidence when you provide some.
Well DNA is actually a strong one ;
If you are walking by the beach and you see a writing that says ' I care for you "
You would use that as a strong evidence that somebody with intellect wrote it down , not rather happened by chance .
DNA in all means and purposes fits in a written language template .
Repeatable signs , that when arranged in a certain way , they convey a meaning .
Chance and evolution can explain lots of things , but cannot explain DNA .
The only scientific explanation that we are carrying ( and every living creature is actually ) our written code that conveys meaningful messages , and when repeated in the same way gives the same meaning , is that we were built by an intellectual designer .
I would suggest - in all good faith - that you read " the case for " series by Lee Strobel .
Something I have to say, I really appreciate the way you expressed your counter argument, respect to that .
@@sagesseamant1583 I understand that we do not know and cannot explain a lot of things.
But how the DNA and the complexity the world arround us is THE evidence that the God described in the Bible is the real one? What evidence do you have that prove the truth of the miraculous things claimed in the book?
@@sagesseamant1583 DNA is strictly chemistry in action. There is nothing divine about it.
@@sagesseamant1583 How do you go from observing a lot of complex things and processes to the Jesus was the son of god and he was resurrected, to all the people that allegedly have been taken in heaven? What proof do you have for that?
@@sagesseamant1583 you said that that is the only scientific explanation is an intelligent designer. That’s not even at all true. What you just used is the god of the gaps, saying if we don’t understand it, it must be god. They used to say that people died of disease, it must be divine punishment or the work of demons or devils. We now know differently. Complexity is not evidence of an intelligent designer, it’s evidence of a complex system, that’s it.
There are some Christians who do this too. It's not only atheists who mock and scoff. I have had many conversations and arguments with other Christians (with opposing doctrine to mine) who have come off as incredibly rude, sarcastic, self righteous, and nothing could be accomplished in the conversation because their bubble of pride stopped anything from reaching them. Swallow your pride and spread love.
Sounds like you were talking with some Presbyterians…. 😅Yeah if we would just live out the one another’s in scripture we wouldn’t have these issues, but we are still stained with sin and progressively are being shaped into the image of Christ.
@@joshyingling absolutely, amen!
Right from what I've seen on the internet anyway the toxic Christians are worse than the toxic Athiests they are way more arrogant and I believe in God I don't base my faith off of a book
I am one hundred percent not kidding when I say that atheist still produce the most convincing arguments for gods.
How
@@MasonHowell-hm9te well its simple.Religious people will use the same arguments over and over again.Since they are convinced that there is a god they assume that every of their arguments are true.
Atheists are convinced there is no god but with the addition that they question the arguments for god.The results are arguments against god on the one hand but all that questioning led to arguments that are logically more stable and harder to question.
Here's a challenge for christians. Stop spreading hate.
You're ignorant.
So many angry Christians in the comments but none of them addressing the valid point raised in the beginning.
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What valid point? It was an atrocious point; it fallacious assumes a depth of field to being a believer or non-believer, but there isn’t; If you believe in God, you can’t qualify as an atheist, and not following other religions doesn’t make you “nearly as atheist” as Gervais who follows none.
For compassion: I’m single - My friend is married - I say to him: “Some men in the world have six wives, you have one which is only one more than me, so you’re nearly as single as me.”
Nonsense right? You’re either single or you’re not, likewise you’re either a theist or you’re not. No in-between.
It’s a false equivalence fallacy.
I believe this may be a language issue in your case...if you look up the definition of "Atheist" and "Single" you will see that "Atheist" refers to god(s) where as "single" refers to not more than 1 (singular, just you) ...I believe the only "atrocious" thing here may have been your comparison I'm afraid to say. It sounded nonsense because it was.@@Grandmaster_Dragonborn
@@drugbustin That’s disproves nothing.
Gervais still committed the false equivalence fallacy fallacy by insinuating Christians are “nearly as atheist as” him because they reject other gods - No, if you believe in God you aren’t an atheist by definition.
He’s trying to make atheism sound more reasonable & failing, and Richard Dawkins lapping it up like a lap dog was embarrassing.
So my point was nonsense? *Prove it.*
Richard Dawkins is actually the original owner of the quote " *we are all Atheists in regards to all the other gods that have ever existed, some of us just go one god further* " which is a correct use of language and logic, as there are many gods in history not just the one you believe in...I have already proved your point nonsense in my first reply by pointing out that your use of language on the topic is simply ignorance (lacking knowledge) @@Grandmaster_Dragonborn
mike really thinks he has a point here. lol
Whatever he definitely has a point
says the guy who will not, and cannot, refute a single thing he says.
@@maxieprimo2758 are you agreeing with mike?
Understood.
Counterpoint: when arguing with atheists, NO CONDESCENDING ALLOWED YOU GUYS
You call it mockery, but aren't you just missing the point? The difference between an atheist and a Christian is the atheist said "all of these religions sound like made up bs" while the Christian says "all of these religions are made up bs... Except this one religion".
In other words, atheists have no interest in (and consequently no knowledge of) the matter they reject.
But ignorant Christians may indeed say all other religions are made up bs.
where was the challenge? all you did was show a clip of a comedian doing what he does best, and then complained that he was being sarcastic. if you wanna watch a nice and calm debate, watch a few of Aron Ra’s debates. ill tell you right now, the religious person isnt any more convincing in debates without sarcasm than debates with sarcasm. its like arguing with a kid over whether or not santa is real. it doesnt matter if you make fun of the kid, the kid’s beliefs still dont hold up to scrutiny.
Our creator said in Quran:
"Did you think We had created you in vain (without any purpose), and that you would not be brought back to Us?’ (Quran 23:115)
"Exalted is He (God) who holds all control in His hands; who has power over all things; ˹He is the One˺ Who created life and death in order to test which of you is best in deeds. And He is the Almighty, All-Forgiving. who created the seven heavens, one above the other. You will not see any flaw in what the Lord of Mercy creates. Look again! Can you see any flaw?" (Quran 67:1-3 )
"And [mention, O Prophet], when your Lord said to the angels, "Indeed, I will make upon the earth a successive authority." They said, "Will You place upon it one who causes corruption therein and sheds blood, while we declare Your praise and sanctify You?" God said, "Indeed, I know that which you do not know."(Quran 2:30)
"Can there be any doubt about God, the Creator of the heavens and earth? He calls you to Him in order to forgive you your sins and let you enjoy your life until the appointed hour.’ But they said, ‘You are only men like us. You want to turn us away from what our forefathers used to worship. Bring us clear proof then, [if you can].’ (Quran 14:10)
"Do man think he will be left without purpose? Was he not a drop of sperm emitted (in lowly form)? Then he was a clinging clot, and [ God ] created [his form] and proportioned [him] producing from it both sexes, male and female. Is such ˹a Creator˺ unable to bring the dead back to life?"
"We have indeed made whatever is on earth as an adornment for it, in order to test which of them is best in deeds."
"We shall certainly test you with fear and hunger, and loss of property, lives, and crops. But [Prophet], give good news to those who are steadfast. those who say, when afflicted with a calamity, ‘We belong to God and to Him we shall return.’ (Quran 2:155-156)
"Indeed, in the creation of the heavens and the earth and the alternation of the night and the day are signs for those of understanding. those who remember God while standing and sitting and on their sides, and reflect upon the creation of the heavens and the earth: “Our Lord, You did not create this in vain. Highly Exalted are You, so protect us from the punishment of the Fire." (Quran 3:190-191)
"Indeed, We have sent revelation to you ˹O Prophet˺ as We sent revelation to Noah and the prophets after him. We also sent revelation to Abraham, Ishmael, Isaac, Jacob, and his descendants, ˹as well as˺ Jesus, Job, Jonah, Aaron, and Solomon. And to David We gave the Psalms." (Quran 4:163)
"Those who have believed and whose hearts are assured by the remembrance of God . Verily in the remembrance of God do hearts find rest!"
"O humanity! Indeed, God’s promise is true. So do not let the life of this world deceive you, nor let the Chief Deceiver(Satan) deceive you about God. Surely Satan is an enemy to you, so take him as an enemy. He only invites his followers to become inmates of the Blaze." (Quran 35:5-6)
"And when My servants ask you, [O Muhammad], concerning Me - indeed I am near. I respond to the invocation of the supplicant when he calls upon Me. So let them respond to Me [by obedience] and believe in Me that they may be [rightly] guided."
Prophet Muhammad (pbuh) said :
“When God loves one of his servant, He tests him to hear his supplication.”
@@Adam-eg1hz lisa the rainbow giraffe is our true creator, actually. it says so in my little sister’s coloring book.
People were deceived by saying that atheism is freedom. A person faces many struggles and troubles throughout his life. The person to take refuge in is God. People cannot help each other at any time and humans are weak by nature. It shows the existence of God, the reason that pushes most people to deny it is the fear of accountability. Those who do not believe in God think that they will not be held accountable, but this is wrong. Everyone will die, will be resurrected on the day of judgment and will be responsible for their actions in the world. The religion is Islam. Islam is a religion of brotherhood. Muslims love and support each other.
@@brightroarttttbbbb 1. who says “atheism is freedom?” do you think we choose to be atheists because we think it will benefit us? no, we are atheists because we arent convinced by magical fairy tales, we instead believe that the truth is what we can show to be true. not what some book says is true with no basis.
2. “those who do not believe in go think they will not be held accountable.” held accountable for what? your attempt to scare us is laughable.
3. what makes you think islam is more correct than every single one of the thousands of religions we have created?
@@brightroarttttbbbb Says the man whos religion spends most of its time dodging accountability for child molestation...
Instead of insulting and villifying atheists, why dont you present evidence of this God? Seems allot more honest than lying about people you don't know.
Can you respond to the remark or are you more interested in the form than the content?
Funamentalists cares more about the conclusion than the reasoning. It's been tested in psychology.
Im sure he’s already got several videos going into depth about the points Ricky Gervais brought up
The condescending laugh in the beginning like he's got it all figured out when, in reality, he's a drunk in the bar, not even throwing darts
"weigh the evidence"?? There is no evidence - hence the requirement for faith.