Why The Oracle Tells Neo He's Not THE ONE in The Matrix
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- Today we offer our theory as to why the Oracle tells Neo that he's not The One during their first meeting in The Matrix.
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Is it a matter of free will or fate that before long Warner Bros will destroy this video with a copyright claim?
A matter of money.
You know, that thing that has annihilated art in Hellywood and given us over 2 decades of the same old crap with a heavy does of political preaching.
And while I appreciate your effort, I have no plans to see this one..... this or any other attempt to milk old greats in order to avoid the use of of any Original Ideas that might come along.
Enough is enough.
That, Mr Ben, is the sound of inevitability
11:30 That's literally the plot of one episode of the Fringe series 👉
@@johnwolf2829 At least it's not a prequel. That's gotta count for something!
Ben, show your defiance to Warner Bros by hosting a massive underground rave in a cave.
If Neo was a real hacker, he would never have accepted her cookies.
He was never a hacker to begin with lol he’s a program
The Oracle cookies activates Trinity's love for Neo
@@nycest14u2nv Trinity was in love with Neo from the beginning.
@@SiLvErWaRe000 the Oracle manipulated trinity into falling in love with him bc she knew he carried the prime code to restart the matrix.
@@nycest14u2nv You're making that up. None of that was in the movie. All Trinity said is the Oracle said she'd fall in love, and the person she fell in love with would be The One. None of that guarantees she would fall in love with Neo. Your head cannon doesn't make something true. If it doesn't happen in the movie then it didn't happen.
I always interpreted this as the Oracle telling Neo he WAS the one, but Neo (and most of the audience apparently) is misinterpreting it. She clearly says he has the gift, but appears to to waiting for something, i.e. he is the one, but his powers have not awaked yet.
I thought it was blatant obvious that he had to believe in himself to become The One, because being The One (self actualization) comes from within.
It was obvious she was saying he was the one, but had to die first. “You look like you are waiting for something”. “What?” “I don’t know the NEXT LIFE maybe”. Neo died then became the one in his next life…
When Agent Smith kills him he dies an his next life begins as the ONE
Well, he wasn't the one. After he died, what was resurrected ended up being the one or more precise the 6th.
Yes I took that literally.
This reminds me of a quote from Futurama: “If you do things right, people won’t be sure if you’ve done anything at all.”
Story of my life.
It's such a great line
I've always thought of the Oracle and Laplace's demon in the matrix... she has the ability to see how everything is moving and make predications about how everything will play out as a result. They have additional conversations that add to this concept about Neo being the one in the second movie as well. They specifically talk about the concept of what a "choice" really is... they talk about how people have already made their choices and it is really more about understanding them. The merovingian also talks about the difference between free will/choice and causality in his little speech. What this all boils down to is that causality really does reign supreme and the "choices" people make were already pre-determined by the person's previous experiences, personality and so on. The architect also discussed how they had to create the current version of matrix by coming up with a system that caused the vast majority of people to choose to accept the matrix as is on some level so they would not try to escape.
Oracle and Morpheus are two parts of the same programm designed to make the Matrix stable by finding the most rebellious individual - the One, then making him submit to machines and use this data to reprogramm the next matrix, so less people are rebellious, and so on.
“You’ve had 2 decades to not be spoiled”
Well put
I haven't watched this video yet..
She didn't tell him he wasn't the one.. if you watch the scene, she asks him if he thought he was the One, he says no, she says "sorry kiddo, you've got the gift, but it looks like you're waiting for something" and when he asks "what?" she says "who knows, another life maybe.."
Neo died, "came back to life" and then had the "powers" of the One..
She never told him he wasn't the One, and didn't even really agree when he said he wasn't..
egg-zack-ali
This video is just miss after miss. If you didn't watch, consider yourself lucky.
@@avalonentertainment2183 yeah I think what I meant is that I paused while typing my comment lol..
But yeah, a lot of mistakes and misses..
Right
I always felt that the concept of "The One" in Matrix and the Nerevarine in Morrowind were quite similar. Both were about the dichotomy between free-will/determinism, being/becoming and the question of fulfilling prophiecies. Just as the player had to do certain things in Morrowind in order to fulfill the prophecy and be considered a Nerevarine, Neo had to do his work in order to become the One. I prefer this reading as being the One isnt given to Neo upon his birth but something he attains through his actions,the help of Morpheus and the love for/from Trinity
Neo achieved CHIM and became The One. God Howard would be proud
As an avid elder scrolls, star wars and matrix fan u hit it in the nail but 1 thing i have to correct in each elder scrolls edition ypu always play a RPG of nirns "the One" in different eras for example the nerevarine for morrowind, hero of kvatch in oblivion, and the shezzarine in daggerfall, and the dragonborn in skyrim also the latest one in ESO (elder scrolls Online) the vestige of nirn so the concept happens more than once in universe of nirn
Clairvoyance is just awareness of a recurring pattern, and as a program she is aware of human action patterns. She was verifying she had Neo's behavioral pattern.
The anwser is simple. He wasn't the one. When he was asked. He became the one, once he took a bite of the offered cookie, intruducing the one's code. Just like the way the merovingian, the code was intruduced via food. She continued to update and manipulate Neo by offering candy and cookies when she saw him. It's likely how she knew about his dreams either she implanted it into his brain or like a tracer program she should read his code while in the matrix.
I really like this idea, a hell of a lot, actually. Except for the pitfall, which is that “orgasm food” wasn’t introduced in the first film, and the Matrix was written as a stand-alone movie.
Carrying it a bit further, if I were the Oracle, my cookie would have caused Neo to have an underwear-busting orgasm as well as updated his code to unlock The One, thereby encouraging a dopaminergic connection between being the one and the anticipation of a powerful reward.
It’s convenient, but unnecessary. Every person in the matrix is connected to the matrix and by extension available to the mother of the matrix
Brilliant video guys.
Bringing it all back to your roots, with a deep level interpretation essay.
So much better than the “facts list” vids that are so temping to make. (To feed the algorithm).
We cannot control what fate throws our way, but we can control how we meet that fate.
That’s why we have advanced advertisements and social media as a control system that tells us how to meet that fate. It’s clever and cunning.
If only that were true.
Wow, this guy's reviews are really next level and in-depth. The thinking that goes behind this Movie is Incredible
Hello Roger
@@thesmilegame hey hey, great insights on your review and channel!!
This video deserves way more than just 850-odd likes!! Amazing content American Ben!! 🔥🔥🔥
Great video!
I still like the theory that trinity was given something (like neo was giving the cookie to attract him to trinity). That code was then uploaded to neo when they kissed.
The philosophical dilemmas which give such a subjective view of really all of the major (and even most if not all of the minor for that matter) characters are my favorite aspect of the films. Even more so than the action/effects. Thank you for making a video which explores them in earnest! Well done.
Finally, someone who understands the Matrix and its sequels.
I really enjoy this analysis. I think you are right about the Oracle guiding the gameplay to get Neo back to the beginning of the game. I would like to point out that the choices made in the game are in fact already made prior to entry. Like the story of any video game, the path of the hero is predetermined before you turn on the game. But there does seem to be a limbo between each version where the characters decide how the story will pan out. From version 5 to version 6 the biggest change was that Trinity decided that she loved Neo and was going to save him from his perpetual cycles in a game he was never suppose to win. Or maybe more to the point the Oracle eventually decided to help her save Neo. Thus rewriting version 5 into version 6.
Allowing Trinity to take that extra shift at the beginning of movie one that allowed for the story of the previous game to be rewritten.
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Cypher: You weren't supposed to relieve me.
Trinity: I know, but I felt like taking your shift.
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Trinity's choice to connect with Neo is the catalyst that sets it all off. A choice that I theorize was thwarted by the Oracle in the past because it always lead to the end of the Matrix. Something the Oracle didn't believe in til then.
But that's one take. Any thoughts from others out there?
I really like how you said she broke him out of the ongoing cycle . In order to interrupt cycles something has to come from outside and infiltrate that system no? Can the cycle be broken from within? I say this because what if Trinity is an entity outside of the matrix, outside of the human world (sounds weird I know lol)
@@Solastar that's the magic of a predetermined system generating the narrative of choice within itself. I do believe Trin is from within the system but I do agree that one has to get pretty far out there to piece this puzzle together
Intriguing comment, and so compelling I read it twice. I suppose we could integrate the ideas in this video essay as well, and suggest that the Oracle, having for whatever reason decided to end, in your framework, the reiterations of the game, specifically primed Trinity to take Cypher’s shift.
That’s not merely clever of you, it’s almost circumstantially omniscient. Nice work.
One major point that even the new 2021 movie may not had addressed : Is the "real" world in the Matrix movies just one more 'layer up' of yet one more "matrix" shell reality ? ( How did Neo in the assumed real world kill a sentinel ?, How did Agent smith really infect that one 'real' human ?...etc. ) The whole humans used as batteries that sounds impractical may be due to being just another 'layer' in the matrix .
I thought that was obvious, but people seem confused. He sees the code in the "real" world. He has powers in the "real" world. The "real" world ain't real.
@@ernststravoblofeld There is no reason to go there. The machines communicate wirelessly. The machines grew Neo. They implanted him with tech (the probes). Is it really a stretch that he also has some wireless communication devices implanted?
@@zeroone8800 What's more likely? What was shown in great detail, or what you theorize?
@@ernststravoblofeld What was shown in great detail? The existence of a two/multi layer simulation is hypothesized entirely on "Wouldn't it be interesting" and Neo could control real life machines with his mind. That is it. What couldn't Neo do in the real world that he could do in the matrix? fly, dodge bullets, stop bullets, ripe sign poles out of the ground, etc. The only special powers he has in the real world are connected to machines. In the matrix, he has powers over the environment. He does not have these in the real world. Conclusion, wireless control over machines is much more likely than a second layer matrix.
@@zeroone8800 Ok. You seem to have a lot invested in not seeing what was shown in the film. You do you.
THANK YOU SO MUCH!! THIS VIDEO WAS AMAZING, FANTASTIC, MINDBLOWING,... WOW!!!!
The first 40 seconds of this video had me laughing so hard my sister slapped me in the back of my head because she was trying to sleep.
I always thought of it as Neo is the One but the Oracle tells Neo he isn't so that he doubts himself and actually thinks his way through everything. Without that reassurance that he's this all powerful human he keeps his humanity and is able to win.
Win?
@@tedarcher9120 defeat the agents.... how is that the thing that confused you?
@@gobah defeat the agents... Who are all just programms which architect can just turn off any time he wants
@@tedarcher9120 but why would he do that?
@@gobah exactly. So he just manipulated Neo into doing what he wants. So Neo didn't win really, Architect and Oracle won
Great video
The miracles in the films occur because of team work. They are showing us that through working together, miracles can be achieved.
I’m not sure you’re correct, but a I really like this idea, a lot, and hope that you are.
I supposed by some of the lines of thinking in this video, you are right just because you think you are? Regardless, a very pleasant sentiment.
I feel like the Oracle is simply predicting the future by looking at stop lights, since she is a machine program she sees things on a incredibly deep level with ease. When we drive we know other drivers will most likely stop at a red light so we can predict thier actions. They will drive straight up to the light and slow down as they move forward. Eventually 99% of drivers will come to a stop before going into the intersection.
We all have tons of programs going on daily. Look at neo looking for the vase. The Oracle created interest in the vase, therefore causing neo to look for the vase he didn't even notice. It was a simple red light for her.
The only paradox is that we've evolved to function through an idea called free will that contradicts all evidence of causality, because it's necessarily that causality that brought us to this conundrum.
The only open question for me in the story of the Matrix is whether the Oracle actually has enough processing power to predict outcomes so far down the chain of events to the conclusion of the trilogy. I wonder what odds she was playing with.
She can’t see past the question
Any sufficiently advanced technology will appear as if it's magic to those who aren't otherwise familiar with that technology.
Brilliant analysis 👀👀👍
Great analysis. I never put all of these elements together.
Oh, THANK GOSH, I was worried you guys were posting spoilers about the new one already, Glad to see it's a recap of some of the original :)
You’ve succeeded in making me want to watch this movie again. ;-)
If, in the court example, the lawyers proved that the murder was an inevitable conclusion of incompatible events converging, then the defendant would still be punished in accordance with determinism, because his committing the crime is the impetus to determine his punishment. The outcome would be equally a product of that incomparable series of events.
You now realize that The Matrix did Inception before Inception itself.
The oracle was basically AdSense. Giving suggestions based on his inputs in a dialogue and whether or not he accepted her cookies
"You've got the gift." You're the One.
"It looks like you're waiting for something." You're not quite ready; something's holding you back.
"Your next life, maybe." Death will release your gift.
One vital thing to consider imo, is the golden code. In one of the original script notes, it says that Neo could see the Oracle as golden code in the 2nd Matrix film. In the intro to the 3rd Matrix film, we see the golden code turn into a spiral like traversal, it represents the Fibonacci sequence (golden ratio) which is a universal signature of life, existence etc... The golden code in the matrix is important, because it represents the part of the machine a i that has become sentient, consciousness has somehow flourished within the machines mainframe, and thus has this universal code of nature embedded in its core. The Oracle was not merely a programme following protocol, she had her own individuated conscious volition
I am blown away by the people who have not seen The matrix, I made my girlfriend watch it with me the other night and I was on the edge of my seat I still love it so much. I feel like it's timeless but people today don't seem to like it
american ben great video as always and it took mind to a million different places about this movie that had me back in the day... to me the only part that is a splinter in my mind about your idea is tanks moment when he shot cypher... the only thing i'll say is that he was a home grown and wouldn't have come into contact with the oracle... so either the oracle(being a program) really did have "psychic" powers or the machines had the humans under full surveillance the whole time at all times... morpheus stats that they had machine for every man woman and child in zenon... anyways its nice to know someone else who that about this crazy type of stuff in the movie... i do agree with ay on the fact she can calculate events very actuarially... of course the oracle could have just been on the machines side the whole time and been informed that they had a mole on the inside and that the mole would deliver morphues to them... lots to think about now... ... ...
These videos give me a headache. Good job!
How did I miss this video until now?!
So instead of just calculations what if the Oracle is running millions of simulations in her head at all times and picking the one with the best result. Imagine the Dr Strange scene but like ALL the time for her. She can still pick the wrong choice or see the wrong thing because she doesnt have omnipotence, its just the best chance.
This is what I think too. The matrix is a virtual construct, made up of real consciousness.
This matrix has been rebooted 5/6 times.
However, along the way, symbolic simulations of the virtual construct are being algorithmic considered to best predict what the “real” consciousness will choose.
These videos are like university caliber dissertations. Thank you for expanding our minds, Dr. American Ben!
I think the vase scenario is far more simple. When Oracle asks Neo don't worry about vase, Oracle knew human instinct is to look for problem. Oracle calculated angle of Neo's arm and proximity Neo was to vase. All combined probability was high that Neo would knock vase over.
What an amazing content, my friend, thank you very much. You just explained what I always imagined to be, or just didn't plainly know about _The Matrix_ even after much time watching the movies, the _Animatrix,_ all the special features and just reading about it. I think we have free will, kinda. But we *are* influenced. So not really genuine free will after all.
The question is who or what are we influenced by ?
@@Solastar Yeah, parents, politicians, the media, friends and just about anyone else, who at the same time are influenced too so... It's just astounding.
The Oracle is a unique program and I LOVE HER! Gloria Foster was perfect for this role and she is missed RIP Oracle❤
The replacement actress was terrible
I wonder if she foresaw her own death?
Thanks
Sir you have forgotten one thing. The conversation with the Architect and Neo. Remember the Architects said this is the six rendition from his point of view. So the Oracle and the Architect has been through this 5 times before. So her precognition is just a memory for her with some variations. The Architect also said that he's the "Father" and she's the "Mother" of the "Matrix". 👁️
The Oracle is there to analyze CHOICE. These choices include LOVE, which the robots no very little of. With this information, they can make a better matrix, which will make a better BATTERY (us)
Don't know if you already knew this but you just described the plot for "Minority Report" 2002 with your defence lawyer talk :p.
I wish The Oracle would have told Neo not to make Matrix 4.
The vase scene really blows my mind. Would Neo have broken the vase if The Oracle hadn't told him about it? Would Neo have tried to save Morpheus if she hadn't told that one of them (Neo or Morpheus) will die? Basically she said that Neo can save Morpheus, but will die in the process. If she didn't tell him this, Neo would most probably wouldn't have enough belief in himself to even think about saving Morpheus, let along trying it.
Thank tom
Thanks for this video you have a very interesting way of looking at this film. A very EYES OPEN view of things. Yin & Yang . All in one , one in all . Balance. 👍🏿👍🏿
Just came from why resurrections is misunderstood... Dropping a like here
Thanks for watching Luke 😊
6:00 which instrumental are you using. It fits well lol
You talking about about possibilities and interpretations of free will but the oracle is clearly representing a fortune teller who deeply believes in fate.
Was it my Free Will that guided me to choose to Like + Comment to this video? Or was it the countless TH-camrs who conditioned me to always Like + make a mediocre Comment upon watching an excellent video?? We are not making a choice out of our Free Will, if it is a Choice we do not understand. ⚡️💫
What makes a a choice a choice is choosing how to deal with odds adding certain odds by flipping a coin essentially and choosing how to deal with the results some things are out of control and yet choose to cower or choose to be brave and flip again... basically meaning you are special because you Choose to roll the dice
Excellent study. I thoroughly enjoyed it.
Thoughts:
The dialogue between Neo and the Oracle can be seen as a series of scripted handshakes between two programs. While causal in tone, it is a formal protocol that establishes who the other is and provides reciprocal confirmation. In other words, they are feeling each other out while at the same time checking themselves.
In one sense Consciousness is a meta stable system, subject to internal and external influences that may or may not lead to incremental change, stasis or a radical shift.
In programming language (which has been adapted by cognitive science), goal directed autonomous algorithms can reprogram themselves, leading to evolutionary branch points which might not be “predictable” despite being deterministic.
Example: Intrusive thoughts are akin to code bugs which are typically dismissed almost instantly as being either ridiculous or repugnant
However, should one permit greater consideration they can become obsessions and override old state editing leading to a new state
The question, inevitably, becomes, "Does it even matter?"
Just watched this movie again last night. Good timing.
The Oracle tells Neo because Neo said that Billy Jean is not his lover, she's just a girl who thinks that he is the one. But the kid is not his son.
Hm. 🤔. I hadn't considered this before. 😂
I always thought it was because he wasn't the one in that moment. He had the potential to be
Does anyone know the title of the song playing in the background?
One clever way that women like the Oracle manipulate men is to make up a situation or scenario where the man is made to feel guilty about something so that he will feel indebted to her. Like the Oracle is bored of her old vase so makes Neo break it so that he will buy her a nicer new one.
It's moments like these that made the originals shine
The watchowski brothers didn't need to make a sequel to the trilogy
They shill for the political message as sister now :D
@@ravanpee1325 yeah nah I don't care what they call themselves, they're still men, just badly mutilated
@@marcusaustralius2416 Their mental decline clearly correlates with the quality of the movie..it's getting worse and worse everytime..
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Whoa!
Came to this video because I realised the Oracle performs trivial and meaningless checks on Neo to see if he's the One, like making him 'say ah'. Glad someone spotted more than me!
As Morpheus says before visiting The Oracle: I can show you the door but you have to go through it. Oracle says You got the gift but it looks like you are waiting for something, your next life maybe. Being the one requires going through a rite of passage like rescuing Morpheus is from the agents.
Will you explain agent smith next?
my brain hurts now ty
A perfect description fictional and actual reality.
Clairvoyance is the ability to accurately predict the future 100% of the time. Machines would be capable of this, especially one specifically created for it. It would be a ridiculous amount of calculations in a short time frame, but a "sentient calculator" would be able to do it.
she said you got the gift but youre waiting for something.
The oracle was right the one was actually 2, the one is a union between Neo and Trinity a union based on love conquers all, trinity resurrected Neo by words and Neo resurrected Trinity by physical, We see a programs in the matrix Emulating love, husband Rama Kandra his wife Kamala and daughter Sati this love program is based on the oracle and her cookies (Smith to oracle after cloning sati "all cookies need love"), the Merovingian writes a program for love, his chocolate dessert for the blond women is full of sexual emotion leading to physical interaction, Neo can see the Merovingian's program code.
Can you please do Space battleship Yamato (From 2199) vs thenx01 enterprise (When it was refit in the show with phasers and photonic torpedo's)?
In your murder scenario, if him murdering someone was his fate, and he got convicted, then jail would have been predetermined also.
the thing with the vase. is like a cardtrick. Neo is standing close to the vase. but he don´t think about the vase. the simplest way to make him. turn over the vase. is to make him look for it.
What's the name of the song?
I don't think prediction is too difficult. Humans actually do some of that constantly. You can see a ball moving and predict where it will be and put a glove in the path to catch it. This is the most basic of predictions. The vase and the Oracle's comment on it are in pattern. She can see where he is standing, his size, and if he turns he will knock the vase over. Simple prediction. Warn him not to worry about it will briefly confuse and make him turn. Which sets the foreseen actions into effect.
The whole choice and causality are intertwined. And somethings you do not have a choice on. Running from the Meravingian's forces and getting sideswiped. You do not have a choice you go into the wall. But you see a bunch of cars stopped on the freeway ahead. You can change where you are going. IE take an exit. Or try to go around on the shoulder. Or stop or just plow into them. You have a choice concerning a cause. In mental effects nothing is absolute.
Because she knew Neo would become a grumpy old man who would try to murder his nephew in his sleep. Wait, wrong ruined franchise
This is why I have to avoid any and all re-makes, sequels and other attempts to milk old ideas for the sake of pure greed.
Unless it's a new idea, I ain't paying.
And as for new and un-tried things, ain't it great that we can still turn to Anime?
Terminator, The Matrix, its all so tiresome
@@Grandmaster-Kush And Bill and Ted
Every frame in the matrix movies is a Philosophical Dilemma....
Ill save everyone 21minutes,im gonna paraphrase what morpheus says she tells you what you need to hear at the time. Thats the answer...
Best use of the oracles manipulation. Having agent smith inspire neo in the 3rd movie
Maybe The Oracle wasn't lying when she 'insinuated' he wasn't the one as HE WASN'T and couldn't 'become his true self' UNTIL Trinity fulfilled her part of 'the profacy' AND he (Mr Anderson) dies and 'Neo' is 'REBORN' as THE 'ONE'
“The One” is a representation of “The Singularity” IMO
The cookie was a 1up.
Free will is an illusion of the mind just like the Matrix is an illusion of reality. Free will is the belief of sentient beings that there is no fate other than what we make for ourselves. While fate is an illusion of circumstance or inevitability. The words: Fate, Free will, and destiny are just that. These terms are just words. They only have meaning because we perceive them to have a basis of explanation to what we cannot comprehend. The Oracle is not this all-powerful fortune-teller who can see the future or many possible outcomes. The case with her telling Neo that he does not have to worry about the vase was all about his body language towards her and the hype Morpheous placed on her. Neo states that he does not want others to control his life or fate. So, the Oracle plays that mindset for him to come to the conclusion of Neo being THE ONE by manipulating the major decisions, like saying that either Neo or Morpheous will die and that Neo will have to make a choice. She is fully aware that Neo will make the right call, which he did. By her telling Neo about it, he was mentally prepared for when it came down to it. The ONE is actually the embodiment of free will. Once, Neo's barrier of lies or illusions is shattered we see a different Neo than before. More confident and in control compared to his past self. Neo is resetting the Matrix because he is no more of a program as the Oracle can tell the future. The human mind has a hard time perceiving reality which is why the machines reset the Matrix to restart fresh with the humans being more ignorant of their surroundings. For the machines to stop future resistance by their food source, they must cleanse it and start with a fresher batch. This explains why agent Smith thought that he was the one because he thought the cleansing of the food source had to start with the external interference by Xeon and its inhabitants rather than internally. The Oracle said that Neo was not the ONE because he did not think he was the ONE. Why tell someone that they are the savior when the so-called savior is hell-bent on not believing a single word. Neo's resistance to her was because of the fact he, himself was still in denial about what transpired the moment he was unplugged. By the Oracle handling the questioning in the manner of stating facts. She was able to guide him the way the prophecy dictated. Her job was more of a corrections officer in a prison than a spiritual guide.
“Free will is the ability of an individual to act according to his own discretion, free of external forces.” (06:55) This seems like an incomplete definition. Might it be better said that free will is the capacity of an individual to identify and choose behavioral options irrespective of external forces? The first definition seems to forget that a capacity to resist countervailing forces (in all their myriad forms - everything external to consciousness itself, plus the doubts, hesitations, etc. that exist within consciousness) is a foundational prerequisite to executing on intentions. And “discretion”, it seems to me, is a term doing a lot of heavy lifting in your definition as well, and requires further refinement.
“So she (the Oracle) does sort of tell us that she designs her words to influence outcomes.” (11:10) This is a very astute observation, which may be immediately reinforced, in fact, within that very statement. After all, she says “…what’s really going to bake your noodle LATER is…” which I think could underscore your speculation. By that statement, she may be pushing, or priming (to use the psychological term) Neo to perseverate over that very concept (of fate/free will or, as Agent Smith calls it later in the film, “inevitability”).
What a rabbit hole. We see this all the time in “real life”/real life. We may, for instance, tell our daughter “you can do it!” to encourage her to hit a ball to the outfield, or tell ourselves the same (you can do it!) thing to try to make it to the end of the day without using methamphetamine or to close that $40 million dollar deal. How much of an influence that message actually has, of course, is on a spectrum, from zero to entreated outcome, depending on more factors than I can begin to understand, let alone describe.
Wat himg this before bed
Wonder if I'll have another matrix ish dream 🤔
I don’t know about free will or determinism, but I do know that “bullet time” needs to be spoofed many more times. 🤪
I have been wondering about that damn vase for 20... years... would he still have broken it?
She manipulated him and caused him to break it. Without saying anything it would've been left to chance. He might've broken it mistakenly...but what are the odds.
She literally says "you have the gift" but Neo thinks he isn't the one.
Hello Ben
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@@GenerationFilms Your Game Starts now
the oracle scene is my favorite in the movie
The spoon parable is actually the exact same insight into reality as "Hui Nengs Flag" - a famous Zen Koan.
The old greeks also understood this - they taught, that "light" - meaning consciousness, is comming somehow from inside you through your eyes - and project the epistemilogy of what is real and what is not, and what is a perceived, and comprehensive quality, onto the fabric of what you interact with, as the effective reality (versus the perceived reality). So Epistéme is the source of the spoon bending. Its the source of the flag and the wind waving - waving as the episteomological realisation of what is happening. Semantics don't exist outsight of consciousness - and therefore it can be suggested, that there is an objective cosmic mind, rather than subjective idealism. Why does math work? How can the Mandelbrot set exist with all its complexity - humans haven't invented the rules - but discovered them, while they where allways there: the Feigenbaum constant shows, that fractals are not figments of our subjective imaginations, but that the logic of these intellectual realites are in everything that exists - whether we feel humilated or not by this realisation. As the Hermeticists say: The All is Mind. The universe is mental.
Think about the meaning of polarity! How can positive charge behave like positive charge towards negative charge? What does it mean to be polarly influenced and influencing? A certain meaning of it must be realised - not reflective, but at least reactive. That what exists as positive charge, does neither know that it is positive, nor does it know that there is something named negative. So its the primitive realisation of the intrinsic reality of ones nature, that will matter when interacting in polar behaviour. Every behaviour is task, that has to acted out in accordance with its emergent meaning. So the positive is not just positive, but it is emergently polar towards something beyond itself - where does this reality arise from? How is such behaviour communicated to make sense and being applicable? Its only that everything is mental and consciousness can reach from the aphatic degrees to, go over to the impulsive, the reactive, the reflective and beging then to be integratively about intelligent behaviour. So intelligence might not arise in impulsive consciousness aor apathic consciousness. But in reflective consciousness the soil to become integrative is given. So the old mystic religions that told us about the relation of Episteomology and the Mental Universe are waiting to be understood by the wise, while the modern west has become a fool.
She never said he wasnt the one. She just said she was sorry.
Right? And she said something like "not this time" which is ambiguous af but kinda says he is the one, but not ready, which is basically the plot of the movie.
It can be very unsettling that the more we understand about neuroscience and psychology, the more we understand our free will is more limited than we might wish to believe. Sure, life experiences and a bit of chaotic randomness can impact our decisions, but it is all filtered through a psychological lens that is set at birth and possibly tied to genetics in a way that, only through strict conscious effort can we overcome it, temporarily.
The more you aware and conscious of, the more you have control to change circumstances. That's why knowledge is power and the future of the world/reality is determined by those who take actions to influence/create it.
This took me 15 seconds to find -------- > The oracle told Neo he wasn't the one so that he would think that his life wasn't irreplaceable. This prompted Neo to go on an attempt to save Morpheus. The oracle had told Neo that he'd have to choose between Morpheus' life and his own.
Neo never broke a vase, there is no vase