The Trinity in the New Testament
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Many skeptics are constantly telling the New Testament doesn't teach the Trinity. That is just plan wrong and this video explains why.
What is the Trinity?
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I wish the people posting the cut/pasted non-Trinitarian comments actually watched the video, rather than just taking from their Q source and pasting it across every Trinitarian video that they can find.
Where are they doing that?
@@ea-tr1jh Because they are dumb
Who is posting such?
♥ "I am" a story.
♥ You are a story.
♥ We're all enveloped within THE Story.
♥ Our physical bodies allow us to interface with THE Story, and thus with each other.
♥ THE Story is GOD (THE "I am"), and we are its children.
♥
♥ I am in THE Story, and THE Story is in me.
♥ I am in The Father, and The Father is in me.
♥ I am in The Universe, and The Universe is in me.
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♥ The Kingdom of Heaven is all around us, so let's stop trying to end each other's stories, and simply Love one another instead.
♥ Forgiveness is the KEY to happiness ya'll:)
Yes. Thank you.
I was a Oneness Pentecostal for 15 years and came to see that God the Father , Jesus Christ , and the Holy Spirit exist eternally and have a personal relationship with one another and with Christians . Once I saw that , I came to see God for who He really is according to Scripture .
Hello！is oneness=Unitarian Universalism church？
@@abrandpluckedoutofthefire8043 No the Oneness Pentecostal people are not the same as the Unitarian Universalist. BUT there are many people who are members of the Biblical Unitarian Faith (which is the conservative Bible based Faith)
@@abrandpluckedoutofthefire8043 NO The Biblical Unitarian Faith is not Modalism. Modalism IS the Trinitarian doctrine
@@abrandpluckedoutofthefire8043 Again for the second time. Monarchian Modalism IS THE Trinitarian doctrine!!!
@@abrandpluckedoutofthefire8043 then you don't know your own history of the Trinity doctrine!!!!!
May the Holy Spirit keep empowering you brother!
Much love from a Muslim
Don't you mean overpowering
My heart breaks for anyone who doesn't believe Jesus is God
because there is not a single statement on trinity in old testament
there is not a single unambiguous statement on trinity in new testament
if trinity was true, God would have made it crystal clear just like the true concept of monotheism "God is One"..... no confusion
Lizzie Storm
The True God = *The Father of Jesus Christ*
The Trinity Doctrine = *Breaking the 1st Commandment*
Trinitarians will NOT make it to HEAVEN if they keep WORSHIPPING a false Trinity god.
Trinitarians must REPENT if they want to be saved.
WHAT DOES IT TAKE TO WAKE PEOPLE UP ?
And to Stop them from Denying Facts and Listening to the Lies…
The Trinity doctrine is a creation of Satan and was brought into Christendom by the Catholic Church more than 200 years AFTER the Bible was written to steal souls from the kingdom.
The souls lost will be anyone deceived enough to follow the Papal Church and Satan’s creation.
Such people typically just ASSUME.
The Bible was in fact written by Jews and the Jews have NEVER believed in the Trinity doctrine !
and they have NEVER taught that the Holy Spirit is a third god !
NOT in the beginning and still NOT today !
Not ever !
So how can the authors of the Bible be referring to a third god when they have NEVER taught or believed that ever ?!
And yet most are so indoctrinated with the lie they will ignore this fact also.
So brainwashed in fact the deceived say “GOD THE SON” and “GOD THE HOLY SPIRIT” and yet the Bible NEVER EVER uses these phrases !
Not EVER !
These phrases came from the CATHOLIC CHURCH, not the BIBLE !
Most of the so called Christians in this world are brainwashed and deceived !
They follow their Pastors and Religious Leaders !
NOT the Word of God.
The indoctrinated and prejudiced will deny every fact and will respond with a variety of ignorance.
And we wonder why most are going through the wide gate.
The intelligent people will ask questions and will want to learn and see if this is true !
Most people are sheeple, so most will not ask.
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@@Adam-1984 John 1. Think abstract. Think Systematically and functionally
Katakana Cristatus My sides ache from laughing at people like you.
Here's more proof
The Son:
Rev 2:22-23 “…* I am he who searches the minds and the hearts*, and [that] I render to each of you according to your works."
Yet who is “He who searches the minds and the hearts?”
Jeremiah 17:10,
“I the LORD search the heart
and examine the mind,
to reward each person according to their conduct,
according to what their deeds deserve.”
Also 1 Chronichles 6:14,30
Have you missed the part where Jesus is given all authority over the heavens and the earth?
Jesus' power and authority is given to him by his God, his unipersonal Supreme Being. Jesus is not Jehovah [his unipersonal God and Father] who gives him this dominion, all authority and power (with the evident exception of the position of being the Most High himself -- 1 Corinthians 15:27), yet the exercise of this power and authority by Jesus is all to the praise of Jehovah, the one person who is the "one God of whom are all. (1 Corinthians 8:6) The Bible writers never claimed that Jesus is the ultimate "source" of his own power. -- Deuteronomy 18:15-19; Psalm 2:6-8; 45:7; 110:1,2; Isaiah 9:6,7; 11:2; 42:1; 61:1-3; Jeremiah 23:5; Ezekiel 34:23,24; 37:24; Daniel 7:13,14; Micah 5:4; Matthew 12:28; 28:18; Luke 1:32; 4:14,18; 5:17; John 3:34; 5:19,27,30; 10:18,36-38; Acts 2:22,36; 3:13-26; 10:38; Romans 1:1-4; 1 Corinthians 15:27; 2 Corinthians 13:4; Colossians 1:15,16; 2:10; Ephesians 1:3,17-23; Philippians 2:9-11; Hebrews 1:2,4,6,9; 1 Peter 3:22.
@@ronaldday4780 What do you not understand in the verse?
Isaiah 9:6 King James Version (KJV)6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, THE MIGHTY GOD, THE EVERLASTING FATHER, The Prince of Peace.
@@hargisP2 There is certainly nothing in Isaiah 9:6 that gives reason to imagine and assume that Jehovah of Hosts is more than one person and that Jesus is a person of Jehovah. Jehovah of Hosts is presented in Isaiah 9:7 as being only one person, and it is Jehovah of Hosts who gives the son to Israel.
Jehovah is only one person who spoke to and through His prophet, Isaiah. -- Hebrews 1:1.
I don't believe that the Messiah is being referred to as "Everlasting Father" or as "Mighty God" in Isaiah 9:6. I believe that the name (not names as many would apply it) by which son is called, like many of similar names or appellations in the Bible, is a sentence describing the God of the son who is given, not the son himself. The son is called by the name, but the meaning of name does not not describe the son who is called by the name.
The expression of the name by which the son is called in Isaiah 9:6 is similar to Genesis 22:14, where we read that Abraham called the place where Jehovah provided the ram for Abraham to sacrifice. The place itself is called "Jehovah-Jireh" (meaning, Jehovah provides), but the place itself is not Jehovah who provides. Similarly, when Jacob called a certain altar by the name, El-Elohe-Israel (Genesis 33:20), this could also be read as a series of "names", as most do in reading Isaiah 9:6(5), giving it the meaning: “God, The God, Israel.” Applying the same logic that most apply to Isaiah 9:6, we could then proclaim that this altar in Genesis 33:20 is God.
Isaiah 9:5-6 - For a child is born unto us, a son is given unto us; and the government is upon his shoulder; and his name is called Pele-joez-el-gibbor-Abi-ad-sar-shalom; That the government may be increased, and of peace there be no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to establish it, and to uphold it through justice and through righteousness from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of [Jehovah] of hosts doth perform this. -- Jewish Publication Society (JPS) translation (Holy Name Restored).
The JPS verses are numbered differently than most Christian translations.
The JPS footnote gives the meaning of the name as:
Wonderful in counsel is God, the Mighty, the Everlasting Father, the Ruler of peace.
biblehub.com/jps/isaiah/9.htm
Concerning the meaning of this singular name, Wikipedia states:
The meaning of Pele-joez-el-gibbor-abi-ad-sar-shalom is variously interpreted as "Wonderful in counsel is God the mighty, the Everlasting Father, the Ruler of Peace" (Hertz 1968), or "Wonderful, Counsellor, God the Mighty, the Father of the world to come, the Prince of Peace" (Douay-Rheims).
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pele-joez-el-gibbor-abi-ad-sar-shalom
As such, the name itself is describing not the Son whom Jehovah gives, but rather the God and Father of the Son whom Jehovah gives. It is describing the "one God" of whom are all of 1 Corinthians 8:6.
However, IF the phrase EL GIBBOR of Isaiah 9:6 is applied to the Messiah, it still would not mean that it is being applied in the sense of God Almighty. The Hebrew word often transliterated as EL (meaning, MIGHT, STRENGTH, GOD, etc.) does not always refer to the Supreme Being or a false Supreme Being. The King James translators recognized this in the following verses, where they rendered forms of the Hebrew word EL with words such as "mighty", "power", "strong", etc.: Genesis 23:6 (mighty); Genesis 30:8 (mighty); Genesis 31:29 (power); Deuteronomy 28:32 (might); 1 Samuel 14:15 (great); Nehemiah 5:5 (power); Psalm 8:5 (angels); Psalm 36:6 (great); Psalm 82:1 (mighty); Proverbs 3:27 (power); Psalm 29:1 (mighty); Ezekiel 32:21 (strong); Jonah 3:3 (exceeding). One can verify these usages of the Hebrew word for GOD at:
www.studylight.org/lexicons/hebrew/410.html
www.studylight.org/lexicons/hebrew/430.html
We should especially note that the KJV renders a plural intensive form of the EL GIBBOR in Ezekiel 32:21 as "The strong among the mighty." EL here is rendered as "strong." Indeed, I don't know of any translation that renders EL in Ezekiel 32:21 as "God," but all I have seen renders it similar to the King James Version. Jesus is certainly a strong one among the mighty, but this does not mean that we need to imagine and assume that if EL GIBBOR is applied to Jesus in Isaiah 9:6, that this would mean that Jesus is the Supreme Being -- God Almighty, and then further imagine and assume that the Supreme Being must be more than one person, and then further imagine and assume that Jesus is a person of the Supreme Being, etc.
Furthermore, the term "everlasting father" could be applied to Jesus in the sense that he is the "last Adam" -- the "life-giving spirit (1 Corinthians 15:45), the one through whom the rengeration -- the new birth -- takes place. -- Romans 3:24-26; 1 Corinthians 13:4; 15:21,22; 2 Corinthians 5:17; Galatians 6:15; 1 John 4:9.
For links to some my studies online that go into a lot more detail:
jesusnotyhwh.blogspot.com/p/mighty-god.html
@@SmalltimR so what ? God inherited all the nations in psalms, does that make him not God
Because He is personal. He is not a human person but a person in the sense that he is conscious, not a force.
Best not to use 1 John 5:7, its part of it was added to the bible which has now being sited as additional text compared to greek manuscripts dating to 300 ad
What u call God is the conciousness
Thank your for this excellent video. Sadly, many do not understand the relationship of the persons in the Trinity. Keep up the good work.
Because it is false. Try doing research on how it started.
@@hargisP2 And how did it start? I have heard many theories, what's your explanation?
@@hargisP2
What research?!!!
You are talking of the Nimrod legends and myths not even found in the Babylonian records that shows Nimrod invented Trinity.
😂
@@hargisP2 it started in the old testament brother...
The wonderful mystery of the Holy Trinity : The Father revealed to us in Jesus and living in us through the Spirit.
Thank you for producing and uploading this video.
The music background might distract some viewers from concentrating on the message.
May the triune God continue to bless your servant heart and ministry.
The term "triune God" does not appear in any of God's revealed scriptures -- you just made it up yourself.
@@1godonlyone119 "Allah" does not exist. It was made up in the mind of a seventh century merchant who claimed to be a "prophet."
@@eslinc So, you're a believer in atheist Dogma.
Most of the world disagrees with your atheistic belief system, but I am willing to consider whether your atheistic claim has any evidence or not:
Contrary to your claim, Genesis 1:1 states that Elohim (God) created the heaven and the earth.
Do you have any evidence for your strange atheistic claim -- a claim that contradicts the Bible -- that Elohim (God) supposedly doesn't exist? I think not.
Do you have any evidence that your strange atheistic belief could somehow be more reliable than Genesis 1:1? Again, I think not.
I will examine any supposed evidence that you may wish to provide, but I doubt that you will provide any.
Until you do provide evidence for your strange atheistic claim, however, the unchallenged scriptural conclusion is that Elohim (God) does indeed exist.
By the way, the name Allah is merely the Arabic translation of the Hebrew name Elohim, and all Arabic-speaking Christians refer to God by the name Allah.
Thanks for your time!
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@@1godonlyone119 If you actually watched the video you wouldn't comment this, since it was answered in the video itself. So now we're just two people increasing the engagement on IP's channel. That's very nice of you.
If there were no Trinity, then why would Christ tell his disciples to baptize people in the name of the Father, and the Son, and the Holy Spirit? Wouldn't that be blasphemous if the Trinity was a false concept?
There are several Unitarians that claim that first is a forgery and was added later, I bought this really is nothing but a conspiracy theory, as the first is used by the early church fathers, they claim it was added in by Jerome, which is nonsense because the verses used by earlier church fathers like Ignatius of Antioch, Tertullian, Clement of Alexander, and Justin martyr.
Genesis 15 says Abraham believed God, and He accounted it to Him as righteousness. They trusted God anne built there identity on Him. Sin is building your identity on anything but God.
This is one of my favourite videos on youtube, along with Dr. Timothy McGrew's lecture on internal evidence in the scriptures.
But to the Son He says: “Your throne, O God, is forever and ever; A scepter of righteousness is the scepter of Your kingdom. You have loved righteousness and hated lawlessness; Therefore God, Your God, has anointed You With the oil of gladness more than Your companions.” And: “You, Lord , in the beginning laid the foundation of the earth, And the heavens are the work of Your hands. They will perish, but You remain; And they will all grow old like a garment; Like a cloak You will fold them up, And they will be changed. But You are the same, And Your years will not fail.”
Hebrews 1:8-12
The one person who is the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob of Hebrews 1:1 speaks to His Son in Hebrews 1:8, quoted from Psalm 4:6. Some scholars believe the Greek word often transliterated as THEOS is not being applied to Jesus in Hebrews 1:8, but I believe that it probably is being applied to Jesus. The question is, Is it applied to Jesus with the meaning of God as in the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob, or with the meaning of a Mighty One?
It should be apparent that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob of Hebrews 1:1 certainly is not calling his Son the God of Abraham, Isaac and jacob in Hebrews 1:8. In Psalm 4:6, the word in question is a form of the word often transliterated as ELOHIM, meaning GOD, MIGHT, STRENGTH. In Hebrews 1:8, ELOHIM is translated with the Greek form of the word often transliterated as THEOS. ELOHIM, however, does not have to mean the Supreme Mighty One, the "one God of whom are all." (1 Corinthians 8:6) In Hebrews 1:8, the "one God of whom are all" is definitely not saying that His Son is the "one of whom are all." When used of others than Jehovah or false gods, forms of the word often transliterated as EL, inluding forms of ELOHIM, takes on the more general meaning of might, strength, power rather as meaning the one who is MIGHTY INNATE, the source of all might, strength, power. Obviously, since the Son of God is not the "one God of whom are all" (1 Corinthians 8:6), the use of a word for "GOD" of Jesus in Hebrews 1:8 is not in the sense of the Supreme Being. Jesus is definitely a mighty one, but he is not the MIGHTY ONE INNATE, he who is the source of all might. The default scriptural reasoning should be that the God of Jesus (Psalm 45:7), the one person who is GOD in Hebrews 1:1, is referring to Jesus as "Mighty One", corresponding to Psalm 45:3.
What we difinitely DO NOT find in Hebrews 1:8 or anywhere else in the entire Bible is any thought that the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob is more than one person, and/or that Jesus is a person of the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob.
I have several studies online which explains this is more detail. One can find links to these studies at:
jesusnotyhwh.blogspot.com/p/scriptures-examined.html#heb1-8
@@ronaldday4780 www.answering-islam.org/authors/shamoun/rebuttals/ibnanwar/hebr18_1.html
@@kekkek2852 While I am not Islam, I did read with interest the material on the link provided. I do not deny deity of the Lord Jesus, if one uses the word "deity" is a sense similar to the way the Hebrews used forms of the word of often transliterated as EL (Strong's #s 410,413,430, etc.), corresponding to forms of THEOS in the New Testament.
See my study:
The Hebraic Usage of the Titles for God
jesusnotyhwh.blogspot.com/2016/09/hebraicusage.html
Since Jesus is definitely NOT the "one God" of whom are all (1 Corinthians 8:6), the one person who spoke to and through the prophets of old (Hebrews 1:1,2), the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who raised Jesus up as a prophet like Moses (Deuteronomy 18:15-19; Acts 3:13-26), any usage of forms of EL or THEOS of Jesus should not be understood as meaning that Jesus is the Supreme Being, but rather in the sense of might, power, strength given to Jesus from He who is the Source of all power and might.
Jehovah, the God and Father of Jesus (Ephesians 1:3), is the Only one who is the source of all (1 Corinthians 8:6), and hence the only one person who is the Supreme Being, Jehovah is He who anointed and sent Jesus (Isaiah 61:1; John 17:1,3), prepared a body of flesh for Jesus (Hebrews 10:5), and made Jesus a little lower than the angels so that Jesus could offer that body of flesh with its blood to Jehovah his God for our sins. -- Matthew 26:26-28; Luke 22:19; Romans 3:25; Colossians 1:14; Ephesians 5:2; Hebrews 2:9; 9:14; 10:10; 1 Peter 2:24; 3:18; 1 John 1:7; Revelation 1:5.
It is the God and Father of Jesus who has made Jesus both Lord and Christ, the one Lord through whom are all (Ezekiel 34:23,24; Isaiah 61:1,2; Acts 2:36; 1 Corinthians 8:6), and has exalted him to the highest position in the universe, far above the angels, next to the only Most High.-- Acts 2:33,36; 5:31; Philippians 2:9; Ephesians 1:3,17-23; 1 Corinthians 15:27; Hebrews 1:4,6; 1 Peter 3:22.
It was the God and Father of Jesus (Ephesians 1:3) who made the covenant with Abraham and the seed of Abraham -- which is Christ (Genesis 22:15-18; Galatians 3:14,16; Luke 22:29) by which the Father -- Jehovah -- will bless all the nations,, and it was the God and Father of Jesus who raised Jesus up as His prophet who is like Moses. -- Exodus 3:14,15; Deuteronomy 18:15-19; Acts 3:13-26.
The default reasoning is that Jesus is NOT Jehovah, the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob who sanctified and sent His son into the world of mankind. -- Isaiah 61:1; John 3:17; 5:36,37; 6:38,57; 8:42; 10:36; 17:1,3; Romans 8:3; Galatians 4:4; 1 John 4:9-14.
@@ronaldday4780 but speaking from that point of view then Jesus is not the same being as God. So why would we worship him, and why would we serve Him in the sense of the way the Hebrew word serve was used in the prophecy of Daniel about the Son of Man. The Hebrew word (I don't remember which) was very specific in ascribing the word "serve" as the highest level of honor deserving only to God. And since even the angels you mentioned as elohim can't be worshipped, as it would be heresy to do so, so also it would mean Jesus shouldn't b worshipped, but he is worshipped. So that would mean that we are called by God to worship something other than God beside Him. That flies in the face of one of his biggest commandments, and we would have made God a liar
Yes the Son is Yahweh. The Word of the Lord (referred to in John 1:1) is the same Word of the Lord that comes to all the prophets of the Old Testament. It's not as though these are merely spoken words. Because after the Word appears. For instance when Jeremiah is called to be a prophet in Jeremiah 1, the Word of Yahweh appears and touches Jeremiah's mouth. So, this is Jesus Christ, the pre-existing One. There are countless other examples of the Word of the LORD appearing to prophets in the Old Testament.
Love your videos man, so well put, really you have a talent for this!
Thanks :)
***** Was surfing the web today, nothing to do. Decided to see if you had any videos on your channel I have not watched, and I found this one. Really great IP! I know it's older, but LOL Still good. I suggest this article by N.T Wright which explains Jesus divinity in the context of first century Judaism: ntwrightpage.com/Wright_JIG.htm N.T Wright is a former Archbishop in the Anglican Communion.
You did an excellent job explaining this. It demonstrates that you clearly understand. Many are confused because those who explain this makes this topic confusing. Thanks
Awesome stuff! Thank you so much for this clear exposition.
As always, a wonderful video.
God's bless!
THE WORD MADE FLESH ( JOHN 1:14 )
GOD WAS MANIFEST IN THE FLESH ( 1 TIM 3:16 )
I and my Father are one. John 10:30
the Word and GOD ( Spirit . John 4:24 ) are one
@@titaniumspecial4207 same goes with trinitarians as they will not listen , jesus is the son of God as first created being thst is what we are to bieleve that jesus actually died for our sins and was raised up by God in 3 days , Trinitarians don't bieleve thst jesus really died and that he raised himself
@@titaniumspecial4207 1 timothy 3:16 is a bad translation, it should not say God manifest into flesh , it should say he who manifest into flesh , An all powerful God that created everything can not go into flesh and can not shed blood and can not die, God is a spirit , as humans we can come close to him or we will die , Trinitarians are dicieving people with there translations cause they did not care about how accurate there translation is , they just care about there own doctrine and about being right, pride is there downfall , kingdom interlinear which is more accurate than kjv has it written as who was manifested into flesh and Byington translation has he who manifested into flesh
@@titaniumspecial4207 if you say so , so your God can die? Then who raised him up ?
@@titaniumspecial4207 then he wasn't dead and Noone died for our sins
Great video, brother! God bless you.
I don't get your analogy of ULINK? You might have to wait for my upcoming video scheduled for the end of April as I will doing one on the difference between a deductive inference and empirical verification.
He did? Because I'm pretty sure 1 Peter 3 says it was the death on the cross that atoned for sins, not suffering in hell. Plus, Jesus did say to the thief "Today you will be with me in paradise" (Luke 23:43). That doesn't sound like hell… There is no mentioning that Jesus had to suffer in hell for our sins.
Thank you for making these videos! YHVH bless you & keep you!
stacy2146 Why not just say Yahweh bless you or Yahuah bless you?
Mineblade 1000 Sometimes I do use those spellings, but since we are not exactly sure of the spelling... I'm not going to force myself or anyone else to use a spelling or pronunciation that no one is 100% sure of as accurate. But again, I have no problem using Yahweh or Yahuah or even Jehovah.
stacy2146 I agree. The reason i asked was because alot of unitarians only use YHVH, which i have no problem with. So sorry for aisting your time.
Mineblade 1000 No problem. I did not know that about Unitarians. :)
Thanks, that will be a video I have coming up, but it is scheduled for August. CARM has an article on this topic if that helps.
Another excellent overview of the Doctrine of the Trinity. Thank you Inspiring Philosophy.
Notwithstanding, "Eloi Eloi Lama Sabachthani".
John 1 literally clarifies that The word was God and explains the word became flesh.
Either unitarians don’t read the Bible, or interpret it completely wrongly
The Greek text makes the distinction between the GOD(ton theon) and the word that was GOD(theos) in heaven.
@The FBI
Even so, doesn't work whatsoever;
1. The use of the personification(word) of GODs will and commandment to identify the son in the beginning of creation is remarkable
2. The notion that the 'authors' saw the son of GOD as GOD, does not work whatsoever for the reasons shows bellow
3. Your third point is extremely weak, in that your criticism be limited to the NT rather than the Bible - as YHWH destroys the trinity in the OT
4. Similar to your previous statement, we can do far better than limiting our interpretation to the NT, by admitting 'ALL OF THE BIBLE' in our exegesis
As for the claim that Jesus is GOD, the Bible sets the record straight;
1. The head of Christ is GOD, who is the head of GOD?
2. If Jesus came from GOD, from where does GOD come from?
3. Similarly, the word of GOD came forth from GOD, from where did YHWH come forth from?
4. The curse placed upon humanity is between GOD and man, and not Jesus and Man
5. Everything Jesus has was/is given to Him by GOD - who gives to GOD?
6. Jesus' authority was given to Him by GOD, who authorizes GOD?
7. Jesus in power has a GOD above Him, who is above His GOD above Him?
8. All things are due to GOD alone, including though not limited-to; Jesus, the word etc.
9. Both humans and Jesus are identified as the image of GOD - who's image is YHWH GOD in?
10. Jesus identified His own GOD and Father as the GOD over all, through all and in us all - Jesus takes no part in such a decree
11. GODs throne is without beginning or end, not inherited nor attained, comparing with Jesus' who's throne was given to Him by His own GOD and Father
12. Jesus identified His own GOD as greater than all - which would include, though not limited-to the son Himself
13. YHWH GOD claimed to be the source and cause of all things alone and by Himself - not Jesus
14. When the curse upon humanity is lifted, we will once again look-upon the face of GOD - not Jesus' face, but GODs face alone
Therefore and all that being said, Jesus is not GOD according to the NT. Whereas these shenanigan's and conspiracy theories used to argue that Jesus is GOD are nothing but a fools errand my friend... The trinity is nothing but a joke and a mockery of the written truth of GOD - and it pleases no one but Satan, when proponents of the doctrine go around lying in his stead at the expense of the written truth.
𝚃𝚑𝚞𝚜 𝚜𝚊𝚢𝚜 𝚈𝚊𝚑𝚠𝚎𝚑, 𝚢𝚘𝚞𝚛 𝚁𝚎𝚍𝚎𝚎𝚖𝚎𝚛, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚑𝚎 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚏𝚘𝚛𝚖𝚎𝚍 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚏𝚛𝚘𝚖 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚠𝚘𝚖𝚋: "𝙸 𝚊𝚖 𝚈𝚊𝚑𝚠𝚎𝚑, 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚖𝚊𝚔𝚎𝚜 𝚊𝚕𝚕 𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚗𝚐𝚜; 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝐚𝐥𝐨𝐧𝐞 𝚜𝚝𝚛𝚎𝚝𝚌𝚑𝚎𝚜 𝚘𝚞𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚑𝚎𝚊𝚟𝚎𝚗𝚜; 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚜𝚙𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚍𝚜 𝚘𝚞𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚝𝚑 𝐛𝐲 𝐦𝐲𝐬𝐞𝐥𝐟; - 𝙸𝚜𝚊𝚒𝚊𝚑 𝟺𝟺.𝟸𝟺
Look how YHWH destroys the trinity with a single declaration - behold the power of GOD of Jesus Christ!
... 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚠𝚒𝚕𝚕 𝚍𝚒𝚎 𝚒𝚗 𝚢𝚘𝚞𝚛 𝚜𝚒𝚗𝚜; 𝐟𝐨𝐫 𝐮𝐧𝐥𝐞𝐬𝐬 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐛𝐞𝐥𝐢𝐞𝐯𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐈 𝐚𝐦 𝐡𝐞, 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐰𝐢𝐥𝐥 𝐝𝐢𝐞 𝐢𝐧 𝐲𝐨𝐮𝐫 𝐬𝐢𝐧𝐬." - 𝙹𝚘𝚑𝚗 𝟾.𝟸𝟺
25They said therefore to him, "𝐖𝐡𝐨 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐲𝐨𝐮?" Jesus said to them, "𝐉𝐮𝐬𝐭 𝐰𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐈 𝐡𝐚𝐯𝐞 𝐛𝐞𝐞𝐧 𝐬𝐚𝐲𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐭𝐨 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐟𝐫𝐨𝐦 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐛𝐞𝐠𝐢𝐧𝐧𝐢𝐧𝐠. 26I have many things to speak and to judge concerning you. However he who sent me is true; and the things which I heard from him, these I say to the world." 27They didn't understand that he spoke to them about the Father. 28𝐉𝐞𝐬𝐮𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐫𝐞𝐟𝐨𝐫𝐞 𝐬𝐚𝐢𝐝 𝐭𝐨 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐦, "𝐖𝐡𝐞𝐧 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐡𝐚𝐯𝐞 𝐥𝐢𝐟𝐭𝐞𝐝 𝐮𝐩 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐒𝐨𝐧 𝐨𝐟 𝐌𝐚𝐧, 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐧 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐰𝐢𝐥𝐥 𝐤𝐧𝐨𝐰 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐈 𝐚𝐦 𝐡𝐞, and I do nothing of myself, but as my Father taught me, I say these things. 29He who sent me is with me. The Father hasn't left me alone, for I always do the things that are pleasing to him." 30As he spoke these things, many believed in him. - John 8.25-30
Jesus told them what He'd been telling them all along, but they would not believe Him, and so He told them that they would know who He was, when they would lift Him up onto the cross. Now look at what the Bible reveals took place following Jesus' death;
54Now the centurion, and those who were with him watching Jesus, 𝐰𝐡𝐞𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐬𝐚𝐰 the earthquake, and the things that were done, feared exceedingly, saying, "𝐓𝐫𝐮𝐥𝐲 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐰𝐚𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐒𝐨𝐧 𝐨𝐟 𝐆𝐨𝐝." - Matthew 27.54
𝚋𝚞𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚜𝚎 𝚊𝚛𝚎 𝚠𝚛𝚒𝚝𝚝𝚎𝚗, 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚖𝚊𝚢 𝐛𝐞𝐥𝐢𝐞𝐯𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐉𝐞𝐬𝐮𝐬 𝐢𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐂𝐡𝐫𝐢𝐬𝐭, 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐒𝐨𝐧 𝐨𝐟 𝐆𝐨𝐝, 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐛𝐞𝐥𝐢𝐞𝐯𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐦𝐚𝐲 𝐡𝐚𝐯𝐞 𝐥𝐢𝐟𝐞 𝐢𝐧 𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐧𝐚𝐦𝐞. - 𝙹𝚘𝚑𝚗 𝟸0.𝟹
𝐎𝐧𝐞 𝐰𝐡𝐨 𝐛𝐞𝐥𝐢𝐞𝐯𝐞𝐬 𝐢𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐒𝐨𝐧 𝐡𝐚𝐬 𝐞𝐭𝐞𝐫𝐧𝐚𝐥 𝐥𝐢𝐟𝐞, 𝚋𝚞𝚝 𝚘𝚗𝚎 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚍𝚒𝚜𝚘𝚋𝚎𝚢𝚜 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚂𝚘𝚗 𝚠𝚘𝚗'𝚝 𝚜𝚎𝚎 𝚕𝚒𝚏𝚎, 𝚋𝚞𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚠𝚛𝚊𝚝𝚑 𝚘𝚏 𝙶𝚘𝚍 𝚛𝚎𝚖𝚊𝚒𝚗𝚜 𝚘𝚗 𝚑𝚒𝚖." - 𝙹𝚘𝚑𝚗 𝟹.𝟹𝟼
... 𝚠𝚑𝚎𝚗 𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚢 𝚜𝚊𝚠 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚝𝚑𝚚𝚞𝚊𝚔𝚎, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚗𝚐𝚜 𝚝𝚑𝚊𝚝 𝚠𝚎𝚛𝚎 𝚍𝚘𝚗𝚎, 𝚏𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚎𝚍 𝚎𝚡𝚌𝚎𝚎𝚍𝚒𝚗𝚐𝚕𝚢, 𝚜𝚊𝚢𝚒𝚗𝚐, "𝐓𝐫𝐮𝐥𝐲 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐰𝐚𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐒𝐨𝐧 𝐨𝐟 𝐆𝐨𝐝." - 𝙼𝚊𝚝𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚠 𝟸𝟽.𝟻𝟺
*[JESUS SAID IT]*
do you say of him whom the Father sanctified and sent into the world, 'You blaspheme,' 𝐛𝐞𝐜𝐚𝐮𝐬𝐞 𝐈 𝐬𝐚𝐢𝐝, '𝐈 𝐚𝐦 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐒𝐨𝐧 𝐨𝐟 𝐆𝐨𝐝? - John 10.36
*[HIS APOSTLES KNEW IT]*
15He said to them, "𝐁𝐮𝐭 𝐰𝐡𝐨 𝐝𝐨 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐬𝐚𝐲 𝐭𝐡𝐚𝐭 𝐈 𝐚𝐦?" 16Simon Peter answered, "𝐘𝐨𝐮 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐂𝐡𝐫𝐢𝐬𝐭, 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐒𝐨𝐧 𝐨𝐟 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐥𝐢𝐯𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐆𝐨𝐝." 17Jesus answered him, "𝐁𝐥𝐞𝐬𝐬𝐞𝐝 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐲𝐨𝐮, 𝐒𝐢𝐦𝐨𝐧 𝐁𝐚𝐫 𝐉𝐨𝐧𝐚𝐡, 𝚏𝚘𝚛 𝚏𝚕𝚎𝚜𝚑 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚋𝚕𝚘𝚘𝚍 𝚑𝚊𝚜 𝚗𝚘𝚝 𝚛𝚎𝚟𝚎𝚊𝚕𝚎𝚍 𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚜 𝚝𝚘 𝚢𝚘𝚞, 𝚋𝚞𝚝 𝚖𝚢 𝙵𝚊𝚝𝚑𝚎𝚛 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚒𝚜 𝚒𝚗 𝚑𝚎𝚊𝚟𝚎𝚗. - Matthew 16.15-17
*[HIS GOD AND FATHER DECLARED IT]*
17and behold, a voice out of the heavens said, "𝐓𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐢𝐬 𝐌𝐲 𝐛𝐞𝐥𝐨𝐯𝐞𝐝 𝐒𝐨𝐧, in whom I am well-pleased." - Matthew 3.17
4𝐰𝐡𝐨 𝐰𝐚𝐬 𝐝𝐞𝐜𝐥𝐚𝐫𝐞𝐝 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐒𝐨𝐧 𝐨𝐟 𝐆𝐨𝐝 with power by the resurrection from the dead, according to the Spirit of holiness, Jesus Christ our Lord - Romans 1.4
*[SATAN KNEW IT]*
3The devil said to him, "𝐈𝐟 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐚𝐫𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐒𝐨𝐧 𝐨𝐟 𝐆𝐨𝐝, command this stone to become bread." - Luke 4.3
*[THE DEMONS KKEW IT]*
7and shouting with a loud voice, he said, "What business do we have with each other, Jesus, 𝐒𝐨𝐧 𝐨𝐟 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐌𝐨𝐬𝐭 𝐇𝐢𝐠𝐡 𝐆𝐨𝐝? I implore You by God, do not torment me - Mark 5
*[JESUS' ENEMIES CAME TO KNOW IT]*
61...Again the high priest asked him, "𝐀𝐫𝐞 𝐲𝐨𝐮 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐂𝐡𝐫𝐢𝐬𝐭, 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐒𝐨𝐧 𝐨𝐟 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐁𝐥𝐞𝐬𝐬𝐞𝐝?" 62Jesus said, "𝐈 𝐚𝐦. 𝐘𝐨𝐮 𝐰𝐢𝐥𝐥 𝐬𝐞𝐞 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐒𝐨𝐧 𝐨𝐟 𝐌𝐚𝐧 𝐬𝐢𝐭𝐭𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐚𝐭 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐫𝐢𝐠𝐡𝐭 𝐡𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐨𝐟 𝐏𝐨𝐰𝐞𝐫, 𝐚𝐧𝐝 𝐜𝐨𝐦𝐢𝐧𝐠 𝐰𝐢𝐭𝐡 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐜𝐥𝐨𝐮𝐝𝐬 𝐨𝐟 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐬𝐤𝐲." - Mark 14
The Jews answered him, "We have a law, and by our law he ought to die, 𝐛𝐞𝐜𝐚𝐮𝐬𝐞 𝐡𝐞 𝐦𝐚𝐝𝐞 𝐡𝐢𝐦𝐬𝐞𝐥𝐟 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐒𝐨𝐧 𝐨𝐟 𝐆𝐨𝐝." - John 19.7
54Now the centurion, and those who were with him watching Jesus, 𝐰𝐡𝐞𝐧 𝐭𝐡𝐞𝐲 𝐬𝐚𝐰 the earthquake, and the things that were done, feared exceedingly, saying, "𝐓𝐫𝐮𝐥𝐲 𝐭𝐡𝐢𝐬 𝐰𝐚𝐬 𝐭𝐡𝐞 𝐒𝐨𝐧 𝐨𝐟 𝐆𝐨𝐝." - Matthew 27.54
*CASE AND POINT;* Jesus was exactly who He claimed to be the entire time - that is to say; *_the Son of God and prophesied Messiah!_*
@@smalltimer4370 A lot of goobledygook and cherry picking. Do you believe that Jesus is both God and man?
Excellent video! To add, John even starts his gospel by alluding to Genesis and speaking of “The Word” that was with God, and was also God, and then became flesh. The very beginning of his gospel affirms Jesus’ nature and relationship to God.
John does not say 'also GOD' however, as a word that would have monumental implications on its intended use.
With that said and as the Bible reveals, GOD's word is used to personify His commandments brought to life - whereas John 1.1 alludes to GOD's spoken commandment carried-out through Jesus Christ, as the Bible reveals that it was YHWH who commanded and that His word obeyed Him.
Excellent summary. Thanks for posting!!
Great video keep up the good work.
I like the video, it gives me right direction... I am currently researching to further explain the Trinity to my sisters and brothers so that they will not be swayed... Lack of knowledge and ignorance defeats the Christians. Thanks to this. Your videos make sense to me. I just know this; I cannot withstand the mind and thoughts of God. He reveals Himself to me... I cannot put Him in a box and create a name on Him. He is All that I cannot imagine. He is the Master and Lord, so why am I going to think other thoughts if He is The Lord , what a servant do is know his Master. If He is God I cannot put limitations on Him. He can do more and beyond that my mind could ever think off. He is my Father, Jesus and my Holy Spirit who dearly loved me from the beginning of time. The more I become so closer to Him now. Thank you so much!
I know God will expose Himself more. The verse in the bible will be more exposed; Every knee will bow....Tongues will confess that Jesus Christ is Lord! 😍
+Antonette Ellis Ravi Zacharias gives some good lectures and can help a lot. its also nice to show the historical Jesus and how it affirms the Christian Jesus. May God bless you and good luck :)
***** theres two types of tempting, one is the action of someone trying to temp you the other is being completely tempted and succumb to the temptation. There is no evidence of jesus being completely tempted and sucumbing to the temptation of satan.
Bowing to jesus is just a form of respect , not not worship . look how the asians bow to each other to show respect
Please please, do a video on Revelation! Your work is awesome!!! :D
+Sophie Oolah Thanks, I plan to but you may not like it, since I am a postmillennialist.
Oh don't worry about that. I love to listen to different views on religious subjects! As a matter of fact, I myself think that postmillennialism is quite reasonable to be fair :)
+InspiringPhilosophy Very good and detailed video. This provided answers directly satisfying the questions out of uncertainties of Unitarians and Oneness group. Godbless! Make more!
Thanks! No problem, from what i have read it is really good.
I will consider it in the future. Before I do any video on Holy Scripture I want to wait until the book Dan Wallace announced will come out, which will have some older dated manuscripts. One fragment is suppose to be to the 1st century.
Excellent instruction. This is one of the clearest lessons about Christianity I've ever seen. Thank you!
Fantastic Explanation!
Apparently you didn't see the context I gave or explain why it is to of context.
No you are fine. I always enjoy conversation like this. God Bless :)
This is why Plantinga sticks to four basic and undisputed properties for the MGB.
God bless you brother :)
It is a fallacy of equivocation. Every time the Bible says spirit is not always referring to the Holy Spirit/Spirit of YHWH (Numbers 5:14). I hope that helps.
Sure, and that is why I plan on doing videos to argue for the truth of Christianity. But youtube is covered with several videos on that subject, so I am tackling these issues now.
Wonderful presentation. Thank you and glory to our triune God.
triune god = false god
The one true GOD of our Lord Jesus Christ is alone;
𝚃𝚑𝚞𝚜 𝚜𝚊𝚢𝚜 𝚈𝚊𝚑𝚠𝚎𝚑, 𝚢𝚘𝚞𝚛 𝚁𝚎𝚍𝚎𝚎𝚖𝚎𝚛, 𝚊𝚗𝚍 𝚑𝚎 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚏𝚘𝚛𝚖𝚎𝚍 𝚢𝚘𝚞 𝚏𝚛𝚘𝚖 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚠𝚘𝚖𝚋: "𝙸 𝚊𝚖 𝚈𝚊𝚑𝚠𝚎𝚑, 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚖𝚊𝚔𝚎𝚜 𝚊𝚕𝚕 𝚝𝚑𝚒𝚗𝚐𝚜; 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝐚𝐥𝐨𝐧𝐞 𝚜𝚝𝚛𝚎𝚝𝚌𝚑𝚎𝚜 𝚘𝚞𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚑𝚎𝚊𝚟𝚎𝚗𝚜; 𝚠𝚑𝚘 𝚜𝚙𝚛𝚎𝚊𝚍𝚜 𝚘𝚞𝚝 𝚝𝚑𝚎 𝚎𝚊𝚛𝚝𝚑 𝐛𝐲 𝐦𝐲𝐬𝐞𝐥𝐟; - 𝙸𝚜𝚊𝚒𝚊𝚑 𝟺𝟺.𝟸𝟺
True followers of Christ worship the GOD of Jesus
@@smalltimer4370 Funny how you didn't address one point in the video you're a coward.
@@smalltimer4370 is Jesus not our redeemer? (He died for us and redeemed us from sin) What about the verses that show Jesus took part in creation?(Colossians 1: 16-20) The verse that shows the Father calling the Son Lord and saying that he created the heavens and earth?(Hebrews 1: 8-12) God alone did create everything and the bible shows Father, Son and Holy Spirit took place in creation.
@@faithfully333
The answer is no, in that Jesus is not our redeemer, as He is our redemption, and where it is His Father who is our redeemer - see; to whom the ransom was paid
What about the verse that show Jesus took part in Creation?
The words in Heb 1.8-9, are not the Father's but the human Psalmist, and it does not say Lord, but moreso God, as-in; a God with a GOD above Him
As for GOD alone creating everything, this is in indeed the case, as the Son created in accord with His GOD and Father's will - that is to say, that it was GOD the Father who spoke the word into being, and who commanded it. And where it is the word that did as GOD commanded it to do.
Therefore and with that being said, the order of operations tells us that all things are due to the Father, including, though not limited-to the word itself.
And that there is nothing that exist, that isn't due to Him - that is why those standing before the throne of GOD in Rev 4, are thanking GOD the Father alone for all things.
And finally your closing statement is a complete fabrication - GOD the Father took place in Creation - what does that even mean, and why even bother posting nonsense like this?
If you want to taken seriously in matters, then by all means, cite the written truth as it was written, but this notion that someone can cite their own words and fabrications with any measure of value is all very silly to say the least.
@@smalltimer4370 so u don’t think Jesus is God ?
Great work
I have, and I wouldn't have started this channel unless I have studied this. I plan on doing a series on Bible Contradictions one day, but right now I am focusing on natural theology. Where are you talking about?
Yeah, and notice what i didn't say. As you said I did, "None of these verses call them 3 persons." So i didn't claim the verse calls them three persons, just that it mentions. I go into other verses where each is called God.
Well thank you, I'll take that as a compliment. I am 27.
You cover the divinity of the incarnate Christ and the divinity of the Holy Spirit very well thank you.
Nice work brother! I thank God for your ministry. Very helpful when dealing with sceptics.
thanks bro, I needed this
THIS IS GOOD STUFF! No one knows it, perefect we havent seen Him but this is close. Good job !
Great vid, thanks for taking the time to put this together-- as there are many (unfortunately) who call themselves Christian that don't believe in the trinity. The bible is so clear on this topic it never ceases to amaze me how people can misunderstand it
***** -- lol no need to shout. You are wrong. There is a commandment-- do not tempt the Lord thy God. Why would that be a commandment if it wasn't possible? You need to rethink your ignorant comment and recant it, oh confused one. Find a better excuse to reject Jesus' deity, it literally took me a second to debunk your poor interpretation of the scriptures. Better luck next time.
***** lol who on earth taught you exegesis? You're arguing with semantics now. Don't worry, I'll give you a second to go look up those words.
+Gcystgc Ycfytgcu HAHAHAHA!! Are you a Muslim?
+Gcystgc Ycfytgcu haha I'm laughing because you're hilarious
+Gcystgc Ycfytgcu -- no bro, it's because you toss out insults and still expect me to take you seriously
You have yet to explain what this is. Besides, I wonder if it meets the ontological requirements laid out by Leibniz.
Well Hello! Why I have never heard of the "latern bible". Perhaps I really am an idiot or you mean the "latin bible", and that is incorrect by the way. I go into the original Greek in my video, "refuting objection to the Trinity (part 2)" - 6th link in the information section. Also see my video, "The Truth About the Council of Nicaea" - 8th link in the information section.
Isaiah 48:16
Come near to Me, listen to this: "From the first I have not spoken in secret, From the time it took place, I was there. And now the Lord God has sent Me, and His Spirit." Thus says the LORD, your Redeemer, the Holy One of Israel, "I am the LORD your God, who teaches you to profit, Who leads you in the way you should go"
#2 Its like a knew Jesus b/c I accepted him in high school but didn't depend on him or fully realize how helpless I am, both in life & death w/o him. Even though I regret running from him I feel like he allowed it so that I could "Try it on my own".But he does not let his children go! :) I had a powerful experience one night that made me realize he surpasses all understanding and truly is our foundation w/o which we'd be lost.If he accepted me w/ love,he'll except you & how great u'd be for Him!
My simple question would be what virtue is the Holy Spirit then? The arguments I have heard is that He is a force. Now I would agree to an extent it could be meant that way. However, Jesus speaks of the Spirit in John 14 as an actual person and Acts 13. 2 Samuel 23 the Holy Spirit is speaking and commanding. So in context of the Bible it is hard for me to take that view.
This is a great video. Thanks for posting it
Also, you said skeptics will claim that the title "Son of Man" affirms Jesus' humanity, although you said it doesn't. I think unitarians are correct in this respect, atleast of now im saying that.
Yet unitarians refuse to interpret "Son of God" to be claiming Jesus' Deity/Divinity as the term "Son of Man" referring to his humanity. Such inconsistency is ludicrous. Jesus is both fully human and Divine.
Son of man is another phrase for prophet
@Bo Stephens Not sure what you're trying to say.
@Bo Stephens incorrect.
@Bo Stephens well in short you deny the trinity but try to use the bible to do so. That's like using a McDonalds menu to deny beef exists.
@Bo Stephens I'm a monotheist, I only believe in One God. However, you dont just read one verse of scripture and make that a doctrine. I believe the whole of scripture, you can't do if you believe that the scriptures dont teach the trinity.
I agree 100% with you bro. In todays "religion" I see the masses NOT reading for themselves Jesus's teachings. Therefore not knowing what he taught. Therefore not learning how to fight the worlds desires and follow him as an example. They don't know that this world is not for them to be happy through materialism but that their wealth was given them by God to do what you said; Feeding the poor, and helping those in need. I'm not perfect but have learned so much from reading his Word 4 myself
I agree
I'm leaving that path. Let's be like the puritans and apply scripture to every area of life, as best we can.
That is where natural theology comes in and I have other videos on that and more to come.
I read some of the passages listed at 9:15.
Can you point to me where in Matthew 7:21, 11:25, 13:32; Mark 14:36; Luke 3:22, 4:18, 10:21 the concept of three distinct person being God at the same time is decribed?
Thanks in advance! : )
So if Jesus is God then why did he need the holy spirit to come down from heaven to abide upon him and stay with him?
christopher laing you asked a very good question
christopher laing If Jesus was God --why did Jesus pray?
Another good question
I understand the majority of the Christian world claims Jesus is God, but the majorities are not always correct. Is Jesus God? Most will say yes, Jesus is God. Ok if that is true then God DIED--on the cross. To claim God died--presents another problem , scripturally God is EVERLASTING and ETERNAL. If Jesus were God and he died then he would CEASE to be EVERLASTING and ETERNAL.
God sent Jesus,
Jesus prayed to God,
God gave Jesus power,
Jesus was in submission to God.,
It's not rocket science,
Johnny Wewoka If God is in 3 persons all three would have to die for God to die as in stop existing,
On the other hand, the trinity or non trinity is not a mathematical matter. Think it this way: in the whole universe you cannot worship anyone but God, and in the bible Jesus is worshipped. In the book of Hebrew angels worship Jesus.
I agree here with all of it except the argument about only God can forgive sins so Jesus was God in that he forgave sins. I believe Jesus is God I'm not saying he isn't I'm just saying that he also gave us authority to forgive sins on earth so that doesn't make us God if we do so.
If I may ask where does jesus say he gave us the authority to forgive sins
@@sanngyunlee4295 John 20:23 but I have come to believe Jesus is not God.
No I removed them. Read the bottom of the information section. Your objections were already dealt with in other videos I have anyway.
Well no, Bowman is saying the "ego eimi" expresses a lack of beginning. "I have been" doesn't imply a beginning. I don't see what you mean in regards to 2 Sam 2:19. Eimi simply can translate as 'am' and humans can use this word depending on the context and how it is worded.
I would argue it seems your view is a stretch on Acts 5 when you say, "Ananias could have lied to BOTH it and God" Acts 5 doesn't say 'both' or make a distinction. Just my 2 cents.
How do I know if your definition of "Trinity" is not "heresy"? Since the official definition is not in the writings of Paul, where is it codified? In a creed?
William Ross In the Bible: th-cam.com/video/1gCv-FAjgps/w-d-xo.html
***** I read the scriptures and what I see is that there is but one God and that is the father:
1Co_8:6a But to us there is but one God, the Father, of whom are all things, and we in him...
The first comment on the web page you supplied said that your view sounded Arian to him.
So where is the authoritative definition of the *correct* version of "The Doctrine of the Blessed Trinity"? Do you subscribe to the Creed of Athanasius perhaps?
William Ross Yeah, and Paul uses the word for YHWH for Jesus used in the LXX. He divided there Jewish doctrine between the Father and Son (theos and kryios) Trinitarians like Wayne Gurden use 1 Cor. 6:8 as evidence for the Trinity...
***** The context shows that what Paul is discussing is the difference between the faith and the Roman imperial cult. In that cult there were many gods and the Imperator (KURIOS) was divinely chosen by the gods to be the Imperator of Rome. So, the one true God "unto us" is the father, aka "the God and father of of our KURIOS Jesus Christ". There is no trinity there, only an affirmation of the Shema.
William Ross And the Shema is divided between the Father and Son. The Lord our God is Father and Son.
Human being consist of three attributes in one person as the image of God.
Mind that is universal (Father)
Soul that is individual (Spirit)
Body that is an effect (Son)
Woah
these are all after the fact justifications
concept of trinity is not found in a single verse in old testament
even in new testament verses, which the video shows can be interpreted in many ways, there is not a single unambiguous verse on trinity in new testament... if trinity is true, God must have revealed it throughout both the old and new testament
Sd 09
In genesis, the father is the creator. The spirit was floating on the waters and he created trough Christ who is the verb ... All three were there for creation.
hey man!! we had a discussion few weeks ago. how are you...? i hope you are doing fine
Ok! dude, firstly, what you mentioned about genesis. It doesn't show the doctrine of trinity
i have had many discussions with people lately. And nobody could provide anything on trinity from scripture. Now im quite convinced that:
There is not a SINGLE verse on trinity in OLD Testament
There is not a SINGLE CLEAR and UNAMBIGUOUS verse on trinity in NEW Testament
You need lots of "Trinitarian" exegesis to somehow make it look biblical. But if you see things being a neutral person, you will not see trinity in the scripture. What you see there is concept of "ONE GOD" throughout the scripture many many many times in CLEAR wordings
Doctrine of Trinity should have been mentioned AT LEAST once
Infact, i would rather say that there are CLEAR verses in bible which actually disproves Trinity
These are all analogies. If people used to believe in four or five persons in one Godhead, they would have made similar kind of analogies like trinity
Fact of the matter is that
There is not a SINGLE verse on trinity in OLD Testament
There is not a SINGLE CLEAR and UNAMBIGUOUS verse on trinity in NEW Testament
And let me ask you one thing. What did All the prophets like Abraham, Moses, Jesus etc teach... Did they teach Triune god or One God???
Everybody knows that All the Prophets taught doctrine of Only One GOD... No trinity whatsoever
Concept of Trinity was later invented by church which is basically just a philosophical wordplay to justify worshiping More than One God
Well, Luke doesn't say they were all in 1 boat. In fact, in Luke 5 it says "they signaled their partners in the other boat". It then says in verse 8 "James and John, the sons of Zebedee, Simon’s partners." So James and John were not in the boat with Peter and Andrew. Luke just doesn't mention Andrew but doesn't say Peter was in there alone.
You have nailed it God bless you
I can't believe I used to say the Bible doesn't teach Trinity...
+{Markus GH actually the Bible teaches *Duality Not Trinity* since the Holy Spirit was not even exists in the beginning. John says in the beginning there were 2 persons THE WORD and GOD
John 1:1(NIV) In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.
Since the Holy spirit was created after the beginning then it is not GOD because God create and cannot be created.
O by the way even Jesus called God as "MY GOD" before and after resurrection and this is clear that Jesus even after resurrection still he is not God!
*Before resurrection Jesus calling God Almighty as MY GOD:*
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Matthew 27:46(NIV) About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?" (which means "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?").
John 20:17(NIV) Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"
*After resurrection Jesus calling God Almighty as MY GOD:*
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Revelation 3:12(NIV) The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of *my God*. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of *my God* and the name of the city of *my God*, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from *my God*; and I will also write on them my new name.
The logic that after Jesus resurrection he went back from human form to being God again, SO he should not say "my god" again instead he should say "I" but Jesus still pointing to God as his God even after his resurrection.
If Jesus was God Revelation 3:12 verse should be as following:
Mohammad Nonsense. The Holy Spirit existed from the beginning. Read the book of Genesis. The first book of the Bible. The Spirit of God was hovering over the earth in the beginning.
+Markus GH it is not my words it is John who said in the beginning there were the word and God. Why then Jesus fail to say in the beginning there was the words, the holy spirit and God?
Mohammad John also said the Son and the Father and the Holy Spirit are all One. Read the whole thing. Don't pick and choose.
+Markus GH John never say "Son and the Father and the Holy Spirit are all One" give me the verse.
If you mean Matthew
Matthew 28:19(NIV) Therefore go and make disciples of all nations, baptizing them in the name of the Father and of the Son and of the Holy Spirit,
This verse does not prove the existence of a Trinity. The verse merely indicates the belief that they are to be mentioned together during baptism.
also *If Jesus was God, why he called the Father “my God” both before and after his resurrection*
*Before resurrection Jesus calling God Almighty as MY GOD:*
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Matthew 27:46(NIV) About three in the afternoon Jesus cried out in a loud voice, "Eli, Eli, lema sabachthani?" (which means "My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?").
John 20:17(NIV) Jesus said, "Do not hold on to me, for I have not yet ascended to the Father. Go instead to my brothers and tell them, 'I am ascending to my Father and your Father, to my God and your God.'"
*After resurrection Jesus calling God Almighty as MY GOD:*
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Revelation 3:12(NIV) The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in the temple of *my God*. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them the name of *my God* and the name of the city of *my God*, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of heaven from *my God*; and I will also write on them my new name.
The logic that after Jesus resurrection he went back from human form to being God again, SO he should not say "my god" again instead he should say "I" but Jesus still pointing to God as his God even after his resurrection.
If Jesus was God Revelation 3:12 verse should be as following:
The one who is victorious I will make a pillar in *MY* -the- temple -of my God-. Never again will they leave it. I will write on them *MY* -the- name -of my God- and the name of *MY* -the- city -of my God-, the new Jerusalem, which is coming down out of *MY* heaven -from my God-; and I will also write on them my new name.
*_If this is not login i do not know what logic is then._*
For more evidence of Jesus being God, I have John 10:30, Colossians 2:9, and Hebrews 1:8
John 10.30 doesn't work, as we too are destined to be one with GOD as Jesus is one with GOD
Colossians 2:9 doesn't work, as we too are to filled as Jesus was filled
Hebrews 1:8 doesn't work either, as the original passage, and son called GOD was a human King, and moreso, where the son called God is revealed to have a GOD above Him
We all know what three strike means...
Amen 🙏🏻❤
Yeshua is God
@@smalltimer4370John 10:30 does work.
Mark 12:29 is a quote of Deut 6:4, and I deal with that in "The Trinity in the Old Testament"
1 Cor 8:6 doesn't contradict the Trinity
No, Mat 28:19 doesn't contradicts Acts 2:38 because it doesn't say in Acts to "only" baptize in 1 name.
When you were talking about John 8:58, you should have also mentioned that "I AM" was also the personal name of God in many places in Isaiah and in the Minor Prophets, so even if a Unitarian could disprove the correlation with Exodus, they'd also have to contend with the aforementioned examples in Isaiah and the Minor Prophets.
The most simple way I can think of to describe the trinity would be to compare it with water. Water has three forms. It's true form, water, then ice, and lastly vapor/steam. We know that vapor/steam and ice are water, but they have different physical appearances. You wouldn't look at ice and say "That can't possibly be water, it's solid". The trinity is the same way. Just because God tries to reach people spiritually through physical form, being Jesus, or non physical form, being the holy spirit, doesn't mean they are separate. It's the same entity.
nice philosophy but not biblicaly inspired
Cory, I like your analogy. Think about it this way, so many more can understand.
A man and a woman have a baby boy. The baby grows up and becomes a man himself. He learns good things from his father also, and becomes a better man.
Others who know him, say he's just like his Dad; "he looks and acts just like his father!" they say. So when a new friend of that man asks him what is father is like, that man says, "I'm told I'm a lot like him! "So if you want to know my Dad, look at me!"
But God didn't create water to the image of God.
God created man to His image.
No man has 3 persons in him. Not even 2.
Trinity makes people come up with all sorts of bizarre comparisons.
Water is one of them.
The father son "holy" spirit ... is simply wondering how dna works
Peter Dvorovčík actually humans are made up of 3 parts. 1 is your flesh, 2 is your spirit, and 3 is your soul. So there ya have it
NAILED IT!
Not to me, it did not. If you dare to see a different perspective, feel free to ask me why.
I refute this objection in "Refuting Objections to the Trinity (part 1)" It is the 5th link in the information section.
I don't understand? What needs defended about John 5:8, "Then Jesus said to him, “Get up! Pick up your mat and walk”?
*Quran **5:17** said* :
" *Then who could prevent Allah at all if He had intended to destroy Christ, the son of Mary, or his mother or everyone on the earth?* "
And to Allah belongs the dominion of the heavens and the earth and whatever is between them* . He creates what He wills, and Allah is over all things competent.
allah is satan
The same Allah you said the Trinity according to Christian's god is the third of the 3 the same Allah that says we Christians believe that Mary is a god
Yeah no
Dude you know your stuff live long and prosper. The Father is above, The Holy Spirit is in us and Jesus is among us.
at around 6:40 you put up the transliteration of the Greek words from the passage of John, and I had absolutely no idea what they meant until I sounded them out, but I've trained my brain to recognize to words in their original letters, so εγω ειμι looks much more like "I am" and ego eimi looks like "I (something)" because the Latin word for "I" is also "ego"
just thought it was kind of funny :)
That is just the beginning, the video is much longer than those two passages I used.
read acts 20:28 That is one of my favorite texts to prove the trinity.
I rest my case. This is the best scripture that prove the trinity indeed. God is great
How on earth does Acts 20:28 prove the "trinity"?
"Keep watch over yourselves and all the flock of which the Holy Spirit has made you overseers. Be shepherds of the church of God, which He bought with His own blood."
timber72 the blood of Jesus is called the blood of God.
anyway in the Gospel of John Jesus calls Himself the "I am" "before Moses was, I am"
This is exactly what the Jehovah's witness interlinear bible says, but they changed their normal bible. Liars.
Saxophone and Clarient - Austral Yes, because Jesus IS God. It is one of many verses that demonstrate that Jesus is God Himself.
No one is disputing that, here.
What is under dispute is how this verse "proves" the "trinity."
Jesus is God. He is the Father, He is the Son, He is the Holy Spirit. There are not "three", there is only One, and He is.
u cant prove the trinity 6 As soon as Jesus was baptized, he went up out of the water. At that moment heaven was opened, and he saw the Spirit of God descending like a dove and alighting on him. 17 And a voice from heaven said, “This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased.”
1 So they took away the stone. Then Jesus looked up and said, “Father, I thank you that you have heard me. 42 I knew that you always hear me, but I said this for the benefit of the people standing here, that they may believe that you sent me.”
no teaching in it whobeleve in the trinity well feel the power of god
Jesus is the Word of God....... They are one and same....... When He born in this world in human flesh, He become God with us....... (Son of God).......
@Provenia Evermi I re read it and yep its correct
Thanks for that. All your videos are a revelation
Do you mean 2 samuel 20, because I do not see what you are referring to? In verse 20 he says, Then Abner looked behind him and said, “Is it you, As′ahel?” And he answered, “It is I.” First of, he said this in Hebrew not Greek. But he did not say His name or existence was I AM. He confirmed it was himself. The 'I AM statement is about the context. John 8:59 clearly shows us we know what Jesus was doing, by the response of the Jews.
1. We don't have to prove trinity doesn't exist, since shema teaches that there is ONLY ONE GOD and none other beside him it's up to trinitarians to show this was changed in the New Testament. In short, Unitarians do not have to prove that God is a unitarian being, it's right there in your Bible. What is MISSING is that God is a "trinity" being. Nowhere in the Bible does it say this. 2. You have misrepresented what unitarians believe. You say that we deny that the Holy Spirit is God and set out to prove that the Holy Spirit is God. As USUAL you trinitarians proceed with presupposition that the Holy Spirit is a SEPARATE PERSON from God. This is NOT found in the Bible. The Holy Spirit is God, saying that does not acknowledge trinity it refutes it.
Yeah, way to not address anything in the video.
Your arguments in your video are nothing new. (You might think you have earth shattering arguments but they are what you were brainwashed with from an early age and the SAME arguments that every trinitarian uses). I address them in my series "The Trinity Deception."
Jeff Dean Yeah, that's nice… This is 1 part of 9 videos I have on the trinity.
Shawn.. I think Option A was saying the opposite of what you meant same with Option B
***** That is a terrible straw man of the Trinity and not t all what we say. Why do unitarians continue to misconstrue the Trinity:
What is the Trinity?
Refuting Objections to the Trinity (Part 1)
One God--who is THREE distinct persons? Three of any thing is MORE than ONE..
Johnny Wewoka you can have more than one tree in a forest. god does not equal one person
Dude you have never actually studied the Godhead,
yeah i have it is a the the father the son and the holy spirit are three persons but one god. this will make sense or be illogical depending on your definition of god
Johnny Wewoka Tell that to a husband and wife. Gen 2:24.
What does ONE scripture prove?Not a blessed thing.You don't know how to "rightly divide" the scriptures.
You realize the Bible says there is only one God and i gave several passages where they interact with each other?
If you have any evidence they are the same event then let me know, otherwise as I have already pointed out, the context shows they are different events.
Good Orthodox teaching!
+InspiringPhilosophy
Well explained!!! The Biblical Trinity is irrefutable and undeniable.
Hello, I have a question regarding the belief of the trinity? Are you ready?
@@ChuddleBuggy 4 years ago but yeah.
Well Explain. Great work.
A most excellent video. Thank you for making it.
False pagan trinity 😂
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@@misterauctor7353 The trinity is false and pagan
@@andrewhenry9516 Evidence.
@@misterauctor7353
[Evidence]
1. There are no declarations of a triune god throughout Bible history
2. No one in Bible history taught or worshiped such a god
3. Jesus who worshiped in truth, would not worship, teach or preach of such a god
Therefore and with that being said, the triune god of modern day christendom is a fabrication and a lie
@@SmalltimR Matthew 28:19. And, the church fathers.
The trinity is a lie and a superstitious, unknowable God the Father of Christ and ourselves. The trinity is a man made creation of a fourth entity larger than and infinite universe in all directions at once. Is that YOUR image and likeness??
The Godhead of three eternally separate Persons who are each GOD is real and is our image and likeness. Get real and stop the drunken idolatry of an unimaginable God.
Acts 17
[22] Then Paul stood in the midst of Mars' hill, and said, Ye men of Athens, I perceive that in all things ye are too superstitious.
[23] For as I passed by, and beheld your devotions, I found an altar with this inscription, TO THE UNKNOWN GOD. Whom therefore ye ignorantly worship, him declare I unto you.
[28] For in him we live, and move, and have our being; as certain also of your own poets have said, For we are also his offspring.
[29] Forasmuch then as we are the offspring of God, we ought not to think that the Godhead is like unto gold, or silver, or stone, graven by art and man's device.
[30] And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent:
The Godhead is PROVEN a lie by the Holy Bible! Three gods?
MATTHEW 1:18 " she was found with child of the Holy Ghost. That which is conceived in her
is of the Holy Ghost.
JesusEternal
The Holy Ghost is God's very presence.
It is GOD who is The Father of Jesus Christ, just as The Bible declares.
OurHumbleLife Do you teach that Jesus was conceived by the Holy Ghost as Matthew said and as every Christian Church teaches world wide? Are Mormons not always claiming to be christians but deny this teaching?
JesusEternal As I stated, The Holy Ghost is the very presence of God, which is why GOD is The Father of Jesus.
To answer your question about mormons; I just don't know...better ask a mormon, I guess....
OurHumbleLife Well, accoding to Mormons the Holy Ghost is a seprate god and that is why I show them that verse. It confusses the hell out of them....lol
That is still a confusion of an epistemic claim and a ontological claim. I am not talking what what we share but an ontological claim of moral goodness.
Then the values of the person must be objectively good. I don't see how you can get out of this.
Again, I have a basis for the claim, the evidence in natural theology. For this one I have 4 videos on the ontological argument, which logically validates the claim.
Very impressive work
None of the stuff that you use in your video shows a Triune God. Unless one misinterpret, butcher the text, take things out of context. Also, was Jesus claiming to be God when he said that Before Abraham was I AM?? You mean the supposed "I AM" as God's name , said supposedly by God in Exodus?. Why are you hiding the fact in your video that New Testament quotations come from GREEK SEPTUAGINT and NOT very late Masoretic text which is known as Old Testament in the Bibles. There is NO "I AM" found in Exodus in Greek Septuagint!. This is NOT God's name according to Greek Septuagint. And remember, at the time of writing, the author of John uses Greek Septuagint to quote scriptures. There was NO Masoretic text existing in John's time. Jewish scholars tell that the phrase found in Exodus of Masoretic text "Ehyeh-Asher-Ehyeh" can also mean (actually literally) "I WILL BE WHAT I WILL BE". According to context in Gospel of John, nowhere does Jesus indicate that he was literally existing before Abraham in time. This is all made up by Trinitarians, including their deluded scholars to fool people. THERE IS NO "I AM" THING!....Just a Trinitarian fantasy.
+Gold Diamond LOL, I love how you can't refute the arguments I gave, so you just have to assert I did not show the Trinity is taught in scripture. It is just a sad attempt to lie to yourself so you can maintain your heresy.
Also, you need to do better research kid... Because the very early dead sea scrolls say "I AM WHO I AM." See fragment 4Q13 Exodusb. Plus, you need to actually read the Septuagint. Psalm 90:1 says of God "Before the mountains were... you are" And it is the exact same Greek phrase Christ used in John 8:58, with the obvious exception Jesus phrases it in first person.
And yes, Jesus does not say He existed before Abraham, because he says, "Before Abraham was, I AM." He was not created in time before Abraham, Jesus always existed outside of time, eternally present, who is God (Exodus 3:14; Psalm 90:1).
John uses Greek Septuagint and this is the fact. His quotations come from Greek Septuagint, why you are trying to divert? What same Greek word you are talking about? Its "ego eimi" in Greek. Ok, Before the mountains were..."You are" or "I AM"?? Who is speaking in Psalm 90:1 according to you?. "I am" and "you are" are Not the same thing. Don't twist and try to connect Psalm 90:1 with John 8:58. Jesus uses the words "ego eimi" in John 8:58, and these words "ego eimi" or "i am" is NOT found as God's name in Greek Septuagint. John uses Greek Septuagint (why are you ignoring this?). Apparently you are unable to show me from the Greek Septuagint that God said "I AM" in Exodus. You seem obsessed with the idea that Jesus claimed to be God in John 8:58, which the context clearly show that it is NOT the case. You say in your videos that Jesus Never said that he is God in the first person, yet when it comes to John 8:58, you say that he did claim to be God in the first person. You are full of contradiction.
+Gold Diamond You have a terrible time of actually addressing what I say... Remember, I said, "it is the exact same Greek phrase Christ used in John 8:58, with the obvious exception Jesus phrases it in first person." If God was speaking in Psalm 90, how would he say it?
***** God is NOT the speaker in Psalm 90. Moses or whoever wrote IS THE SPEAKER. Sadly its your desperate assumption to see "I AM" thing somehow. You keep saying that Jesus used supposed God's name and applied to himself in John 8:58 in the first person. but you cannot see that Jesus does not even use any supposed God's name in the context at all. There is NO "I AM" God's name that Jesus said in John 8:58. The same Greek words "ego eimi" meaning "I Am" are used by Jesus in many other places in Gospel of John, for example, Jesus said in John 8:28: "When you have lifted up the Son of Man, then you will know that "I am/I am he" [ego eimi] and that I do nothing on my own but speak just what the Father has taught me.". If "ego eimi" mean Almighty God whenever Jesus speak, then is Jesus saying that when you crucify me, you will know that I am Almighty God and that by myself I can do Nothing, and I speak what I have been taught?...Get out of town! LOL
Translators have translated "ego eimi" as both "I am" and "I am he" depending on the grammar and context. If you read CAREFULLY in the context, Jesus was simply talking about his superiority in the plan of God. Being more important than Abraham is NOT because he claimed to be God, but because he is the Messiah!. And this is what Jesus claimed to be in John 8:58 and many other places. It would have been better if translators have translated "ego eimi" as "I am he" [meaning the Messiah] in John 8:58, instead of deliberately translating it as "I AM" in CAPITALS. Its all made up stuff to support the Trinity doctrine. Also your Dead Sea Scroll proof will stay dead. And as I told you before that Scholars and historians (Jewish and Non-Jewish) tell us that the exact LITERAL meaning is NOT "I am that I am" in Exodus but is "I will be what I will be" (whether Hebrew or Paleo Hebrew). So according to this, God probably would have said to Moses according to Masoretic and Dead Sea Scrolls: "Tell children of Israel that "I WILL BE" has sent me to you". But there is NO "I AM". It has been deliberately translated as "I AM" in capitals to fool and deceive people. Also remember, that Greek Septuagint which the author of John used, also does not have "I AM" as God's name either!. This is nothing but fantasy and misunderstanding of the Trinity doctrine.
+Gold Diamond That is not what i asked.... I said if God was speaking in Psalm 90:1, how would He say it? And there is no place God says He is I AM? Read Exodus 3:14, where God says "I AM has sent me to you." So you are just wrong, as usual. That is why you have to rely on insults and cheap shots...
Yes, Jesus did say I AM several times, pointing to another example doesn't help your case.... You are desperately trying to ad to John 8:58 yo save your heresy. Where is the context which says superiority in the plan of God? The context says the opposite, ""Your father Abraham rejoiced that he would see my day. He saw it and was glad.” So the Jews said to him, “You are not yet fifty years old, and have you seen Abraham?" Jesus said to them, “Truly, truly, I say to you, before Abraham was, I am.”" The context is pretty clear. They ask how could Abraham could have seen Jesus and Jesus replies I AM... That is an ontological claim in comparison with Abraham's ontology. So you are just making up facts to suit your need, but your made up context does not exist. There is no reason it is "I am He" Because Jesus is not answering that He is the messiah, but how Abraham would have known who He is, because He is I AM.
Also you only show you don't understand Hebrew. There are no nouns, as we have them in ancient paleo-hebrew: www.chabad.org/library/article_cdo/aid/433240/jewish/God.htm
All nouns are more like verbs, so by default of course it cannot be literally translated as I AM, but that doesn't mean that meaning is taught. You are appealing to language barriers, which doesn't change the meaning of the text. That is why is it translated into nouns, because God is making a claim about Himself, that would be translated with nouns in English or Greek. Why do you think translators do it as it is in every translation? The phrase translates the meaning I AM, forcing a literal translation to English shows you do not understand the meaning or complexity of Hebrew.
There is no trinity in the Bible - the trinity is a false tradition from the 3rd/4th C.
Setting up and destroying straw-man completely repudiates your credibility.
Jesus was clear - the one true God is the Father. You and I both know that.
You're ignorant. Jesus claimed to be God, and I will treat him as such.
Kim Jong The Choo Choo Train of Bel-Air Please re-read Jn17:3 - Jesus claimed the Father was the ONLY TRUE GOD - AND that He was someone OTHER THAN the ONLY TRUE GOD.
Not sure where you got your idea from - but it is not from Jesus.
Psalm 45:7 Checkmate
Hmmm.... Ps45:7 is written to a human King of Israel.... which simply follows Jesus teaching in Jn10:30 - 37 re calling men "elohim"/"theos" - yet Jesus identified His Father as the ONLY true God.
Apparently your chess is not any better than your exegesis - and the only aspect that is worse is your arrogance, self-righteousness and condescension. Is that really how you relate Jesus Christ to other people? Being a snarky son of a bitch? Are you sure that is who you want to be?
In the old testament we clearly see two other figures other than the father who are called YHWH (The Lord). An example is the burning bush. In Exodus Chapter three, we see the iconic scene of God appearing to Moses in a burning bush. Except, unless you accept that God is multiple persons, this isn't God, but rather an imposter. Notice in verse 2 it reads not that God enters the burning bush, but The Angel of The Lord. In this verse the word angel in the original Hebrew translates to "Messenger." But if this isn't God, then how come scripture calls the Angel "God" in verse 4, and then calls itself "the God of Abraham" in verse 6, followed by "Moses said to God." And later in the verse the Angel states "I AM WHO I AM", meaning that this angel has always existed. If you don't believe me you can read it for yourself. That's Exodus chapter 3. Another example is genesis chapter 16. In this chapter Hagar runs away from Abram and his wife. The Angel of The Lord found Hagar by a spring and told her that he would multiply her descendents. Not God will multiply her descendents, The Angel will. How can the Angel claim to have the power to personally multiply her descendents. After the encounter Hagar praises God and claims that it was YHWH who spoke to her. Still not convinced? In Zechariah Chapter 3 the Angel returns, this time in a vision. The scripture calls this angel YHWH (The Lord) in verse 2. Then, the Angel speaks to Satan in the same verse saying, "The Lord (YHWH) rebuke you, satan!". So we have a being identified by scripture as YHWH (The Lord), who then calls upon YHWH (The Lord). This actually explains the verse you gave at the beginning of this conversation quite well. The other being mentioned in the old testament is "The Spirit". In 2 Samuel Chapter 23 verse 2 that the spirit of the lord descended on to David while on his death bed. However we see in the next verse that when the spirit speaks, God is speaking also. We see in Ezekiel 11: 1 that the spirit is a seperate being from God, as he tells Ezekiel that he has a message from The Lord. Another example of The Spirit being a seperate entity can be found in Job 33:4. It states that "The Spirit of God has made me, and the breath of the almighty gives me life". And in Isaiah 63 we see the The Spirit of The Lord is The Holy Spirit of the new testament, as he uses both words, The Spirit of The Lord and The Holy Spirit, interchangeably.
Thus we see the The God of the old testament is multi personal, and due to this fact, the God of the new testament is to.
P.S Don't use Deuteronomy 6:4 as an argument for Unitarianism either. If you read the original Hebrew the word God is in the plural. Meaning a more correct translation would be "The Lord our Gods is one".
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rock solid video. very clear and concise.
No, Peter says Ananias lied to the Holy Spirit, then says he lied to God. He doesn't say active force, or that he is the representative, but that he lied to the Holy Sprit, and later in Acts we see the Spirit is not a force but speaks as a person. You are adding to text if you believe that.