Refuting Objections to the Trinity (Part 1)

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    Many skeptics argue from scripture that the Trinity is not in the Bible. This video refutes most common objections that the Trinity is not in the Bible
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  • @InspiringPhilosophy
    @InspiringPhilosophy  11 ปีที่แล้ว +79

    Well, if one denies the Trinity they are usually no loner considered a Christian, since the Trinity is a fundamental core belief. It affects the atonement, worship, and God's ontology. I point that out in the 2nd link in the information section. I was shocked to when I also was shocked when I found out how many people call themselves Christians and deny the Trinity.

    • @EasternOrthodoxChristian
      @EasternOrthodoxChristian 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      Amen indeed

    • @Anteater23
      @Anteater23 7 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      I know people who are definitely born again but don’t believe in the traditional trinity doctrine.

    • @7urak
      @7urak 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@Anteater23Correct. God's forgiveness and guidance is not black and white only. The book of Jona demonstrates this

    • @danielmiller2886
      @danielmiller2886 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

      ​@@7urakcan you expand on what you mean by that, and how the book of Jonah exemplifies that? I just want to understand what you mean.

    • @gimel77
      @gimel77 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You Trinitarians are so sanctimonious. All while teaching false doctrine.

  • @InspiringPhilosophy
    @InspiringPhilosophy  10 ปีที่แล้ว +52

    That is not what He is claiming. Jesus is speaking of ontology, "before Abraham was I AM." This is saying that though Abraham had a beginning He did not.
    WHAT! Mormons do not! They rely on their own books for mormon understanding of scripture. The founders of JWs were self-educated and make several false prophecies. They started with a grave misunderstand of scripture with western eyes.

    • @juancarlosaliba4866
      @juancarlosaliba4866 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Don't forget some members of Iglesia ni Cristo might also comment here haha

    • @hotwax9376
      @hotwax9376 3 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @InspiringPhilosophy What's even more amazing is that Charles Taze Russell lied about knowing Greek and admitted he didn't know it when pressed by a lawyer. This alone should demonstrate that JW teachings are based on a very weak theological foundation.

    • @TheJesusNerd40
      @TheJesusNerd40 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Isaiah 43:10 destroys WT JW and LDS Mormons, Mike.

    • @pleaseenteraname1103
      @pleaseenteraname1103 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@hotwax9376 He also claimed that the trinity is a three headed monster.

  • @onyinyenkemchor-albert8757
    @onyinyenkemchor-albert8757 ปีที่แล้ว +16

    I can not thank God for you enough. God bless you and give you even more soundness to help us all understand his word better. Thank you for this 🤍🤍🤍

  • @TheZymbo
    @TheZymbo 7 ปีที่แล้ว +130

    Lots of heretical unitarians and JWs in this comment section. Yikes. Keep up the good work IP.

    • @dieselcowboy777
      @dieselcowboy777 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The bible said the great whore Roman catholic church was filled with the blood of the saints....not heretics...
      The vast majority of the saints the catholic church killed were non trinitarian saints

    • @dieselcowboy777
      @dieselcowboy777 4 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Non trinitarians were the orthodox church and they baptized in the name of jesus christ also....not in the trinity of titles....
      They changed water baptism to the trinity of titles because they were also changing the view of godhead to trinity....
      Neither the Trinity or baptizing in the trinity of titles were orthodox....everything early trinitarians wrote is false and the opposite is true....

    • @dieselcowboy777
      @dieselcowboy777 4 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Satan is going to use a trinitarian man called the Pope to become incarnated in....because the trinity is of the devil and the false doctrine that the Pope propgates and deceives you with

    • @x.r.d7744
      @x.r.d7744 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@dieselcowboy777 lol the catholic killed allot of protestants

    • @pleaseenteraname1103
      @pleaseenteraname1103 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@dieselcowboy777 source.

  • @jesse8786
    @jesse8786 8 ปีที่แล้ว +30

    Amazing video, amazing truth,well done,well explained and so simple to understand.

  • @waynemccuen8213
    @waynemccuen8213 4 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Why did it take me more than 8 years to find this. Thx, gr8 stuff!

  • @gimarr
    @gimarr 8 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Really great info in your presentation! Thanks for sharing. I'll definitely be checking out your other videos as well!

  • @InspiringPhilosophy
    @InspiringPhilosophy  11 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    I am not a modalist, so i agree. The word angel in the Bible is defined differently than our culture defines it.

  • @InspiringPhilosophy
    @InspiringPhilosophy  11 ปีที่แล้ว +15

    Thank you! It will be up either Friday or Saturday, and that will close out this series on the Trinity for a while. I need to return the Ontological and Teleological argument for a little bit. Then eventually I want to do a video explaining why Jesus had to die on the cross.

  • @adrianmaderal6020
    @adrianmaderal6020 10 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    thanks for the enlightenment brother..

  • @InspiringPhilosophy
    @InspiringPhilosophy  11 ปีที่แล้ว +13

    Thank you, and you make a good point. At times I get too confrontation. I'll try to tone down. Let me know what you think of any of my other videos.

  • @eclipsesonic
    @eclipsesonic 11 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I love your videos! You manage to make everything so concise and easy to follow. Looking forward to your next video on the Trinity.

    • @dieselcowboy777
      @dieselcowboy777 4 ปีที่แล้ว

      Just another slave making carnal minded interpretation to validate the false catholic doctrime of trinity to corrupt your mind

  • @InspiringPhilosophy
    @InspiringPhilosophy  11 ปีที่แล้ว +7

    No, see my video, "The Trinity in the Old Testament" for Deuteronomy 6:4.
    If you are asking questions particularly about the Trinity. See my video, "What is the Trinity.
    Both links are in the information section.

  • @JasonRussoMetal
    @JasonRussoMetal 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thanks for this. Very well done.

  • @InspiringPhilosophy
    @InspiringPhilosophy  11 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    That is very kind of you. If you ever have any questions don't hesitate to ask me in a message. God Bless!

  • @Jamesjacob339
    @Jamesjacob339 ปีที่แล้ว

    Iam glad finally I found this channel.

  • @christfollower5713
    @christfollower5713 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Thank u , thank u , thank u , really this helps alot 🙏🏻🙏🏻 u r a blessing brother

  • @TheJesusNerd40
    @TheJesusNerd40 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Love this Mike!

  • @InspiringPhilosophy
    @InspiringPhilosophy  11 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Sure, in 3D world. See the first two links in the information section. I have two videos on how to logically explain the Trinity. I hope that helps.

  • @InspiringPhilosophy
    @InspiringPhilosophy  11 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Yes it is! I have one more video to do on the Trinity, which will be done before Christmas - "The Trinity Explained 2 (with Reason).

  • @LawrenceKennard
    @LawrenceKennard 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is the most CLEAR and concise teaching defending the Trinity I've seen. Albeit, reading some of the posts, you are guilty of casting your pearls before swine. Thank you. I'm subscribing!

  • @InspiringPhilosophy
    @InspiringPhilosophy  11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Did you watch part 2? "The Trinity Explained 2 (with reason)". A link is in the information section. The idea is not hard to understand, as many people have told me. The details are obviously beyond our grasp. We cannot picture a 4D cube, for example.

  • @Alexandru20101991
    @Alexandru20101991 8 ปีที่แล้ว +27

    Keep reading Orthodox Christian Saints like Saint John Chrysostom!

    • @daved3713
      @daved3713 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +Alexandru-Vlad Curtasu
      Sorry, his antisemitism is revolting as is the churches history regarding that issue.

    • @Alexandru20101991
      @Alexandru20101991 8 ปีที่แล้ว +16

      +dave d Did you even read him?

    • @PInk77W1
      @PInk77W1 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

      St John Chrysostom • Catholic

  • @InspiringPhilosophy
    @InspiringPhilosophy  11 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    Well, I owe the credit of finding that quote to you, so thanks.

  • @marshallmatters9865
    @marshallmatters9865 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You are one of the most smartest person living in this last days. thanks for all the word of wisdom and knowledge you've teach us.
    A man with wisdom and knowledge will always look like a fool to others.

  • @msm1876
    @msm1876 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Fine work, mi amigo!

  • @InspiringPhilosophy
    @InspiringPhilosophy  10 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    They did not se the word god like we do today, this is misreading scripture with western eyes. The angels were never called "I AM".
    So you are practically admitting you do not know the truth. Then why should I listen to you?

    • @gimel77
      @gimel77 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You do not know the truth, so why should we listen to you?

  • @InspiringPhilosophy
    @InspiringPhilosophy  11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yeah, I'm still getting links and the information section in order. Give me a few minutes, and links will be in the information section.

  • @InspiringPhilosophy
    @InspiringPhilosophy  10 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    And in Jonah 2:9 is says YHWH. Salvation only comes from YHWH.
    I don't understand your question.

  • @bobcatallstar7
    @bobcatallstar7 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Excellent vid.

  • @gigatt2006
    @gigatt2006 11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I am truly blessed by these videos.... thank you.
    In regards to wisdom in Proverbs 8, I am surprised you did not call out that verse 2 and 3 also say "she" takes her stand and "she" cries aloud. Proverbs 3 also refers to wisdom as she.
    13 Blessed are those who find wisdom,
    those who gain understanding,
    14 for she is more profitable than silver
    and yields better returns than gold.

  • @McintoshSteveAndrea
    @McintoshSteveAndrea 6 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Good job

  • @InspiringPhilosophy
    @InspiringPhilosophy  11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I have a video on Nicaea by the way. If that is what you feel then fine, but your arguments were unconvincing. But in the end you can believe whatever you want.

  • @queenpele8623
    @queenpele8623 6 ปีที่แล้ว +32

    I agree with the whole video except your statement that Jesus became fully divine again after His resurrection. The Incarnation is a permanent status. Jesus is still fully man and fully God.

    • @behradataei6479
      @behradataei6479 5 ปีที่แล้ว +8

      But after his resurrection his body was not normal body like us .his body is spirtual body .he suddenly came in house when the door was lock but at the same time he can eat and drink and all of his apostle touched his body

    • @behradataei6479
      @behradataei6479 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      After jesus come back to earth the first resurrection will happen and the believer who born with holyspirit will raise from grave and live with jesus for 1000 year with new spiritual body not our normal body (sin body)

    • @praisethelordjesuschrist3554
      @praisethelordjesuschrist3554 5 ปีที่แล้ว

      Behrad Ataei
      Christ knew no sin.

    • @canderssonswedican7486
      @canderssonswedican7486 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      He now has a glorified body now what does that mean?

    • @preciousgrace762
      @preciousgrace762 5 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      That before His incarnation Christ, the divine One, already was the Son of God {John 1:18; Rom. 8:3}. By incarnation He put on an element, the human flesh, which had nothing to do with divinity, that part of Him needed to be sanctified and uplifted by passing through death and resurrection. By resurrection His human nature was sanctified, uplifted and transformed, by resurrection He was designated the Son of God with His humanity { Rom. 1:4; Acts 13: 33; Heb.1:5}. His resurrection was His designation. Now as the Son of God, He possesses humanity as well as divinity. By incarnation He brought God into man, by resurrection He He brought man into God, that is, He brought His humanity into the divine sonship. In this way the only begotten Son of God was made the firstborn Son of God, possessing both divinity and humanity. God is using such a Christ, the firstborn Son, who possesses both divinity and humanity, as the producer and prototype, the model, to produce His many sons {Rom. 8:29-30}. And those who believed in and received His Son, will to be designated and revealed as the sons of God, as He was in glory of His resurrection {Rom.8:19; 21}, and with Him they will express God.

  • @InspiringPhilosophy
    @InspiringPhilosophy  11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    No it doesn't, arche is used to mean origin or active cause at times. The verse doesn't contradict the rest of scripture that says Jesus is uncreated. It will be in my next video, "Refuting Objections to the Trinity (part 2)".
    And once again, Protokos doesn't refer to birth order, but rank.

  • @ShufflinRhino
    @ShufflinRhino 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    You deserve many more views. Any idea when your next vid'll be out?

  • @InspiringPhilosophy
    @InspiringPhilosophy  11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yes, that what I meant, and please try to take in context as I mean in your perspective "After the Resurrection He Went back to His Glory".

  • @InspiringPhilosophy
    @InspiringPhilosophy  11 ปีที่แล้ว

    You do realize just a few verses later in verse 14 is says " the Word became flesh and dwelt among us". So the passage does say in verse one the Word is God, and the Word became flesh. So Word, who is God, came in the flesh. Obviously I'm not adding or subtracting.

  • @ApologeticsArsenal
    @ApologeticsArsenal 11 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    This series on the Trinity is the best yet.

  • @InspiringPhilosophy
    @InspiringPhilosophy  11 ปีที่แล้ว

    8:389:09, Jesus cooperated with the limits of being human, but after His resurrection He was no longer lacking omniscience (John 16:30). I hope this helps.

  • @LawrenceKennard
    @LawrenceKennard 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    No, thank you, but YOU are not the one who needs to tone it down. You are being the kind of apologists I strive to be. Keep the the great work!

  • @irfanjalal6293
    @irfanjalal6293 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you so much.

  • @gnanendra550
    @gnanendra550 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    Amazing content. Out of box question, how do you edit these texts? What software did you use?

  • @abadonslayed
    @abadonslayed 6 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This is a solid video with great substance to support all the ideas... but the music is BRUTALLY Annoying!!! Bro please change the music!

  • @InspiringPhilosophy
    @InspiringPhilosophy  11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Well this isn't really an issue. Paul quotes Epimenides in Titus 1:12 and Jesus seems to refer to other apocrypha books like Wisdom of Solomon and Sirach. The New Testament writers didn't think these books were inspired, but they did have some true things in them (as guided by the Holy Spirit). Jude only quoted something that was true in Enoch and it does not mean that Enoch was inspired. Early church fathers would quote authoritatively from one apocrypha book, but then criticize it later.

  • @InspiringPhilosophy
    @InspiringPhilosophy  11 ปีที่แล้ว

    No, you need to read the bottom of the information section.
    No, see my video, "What is the Trinity?"

  • @InspiringPhilosophy
    @InspiringPhilosophy  11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Wow, that is a narrow understanding of the New Testament. Especially since I dealt with these types of objections in "Refuting Objections to the Trinity (Part 2)". Where does Jesus deny being God and you realize there is more than one person who is fully God? See my next video which explains this.

  • @InspiringPhilosophy
    @InspiringPhilosophy  11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You do realize I go over Col 1:15 in this video? So your argument is already addressed. And you do this a lot. Just assert something. It is very unconvincing.

  • @user-wh9lj5ng1k
    @user-wh9lj5ng1k หลายเดือนก่อน

    excelent video

  • @InspiringPhilosophy
    @InspiringPhilosophy  11 ปีที่แล้ว

    That doesn't make sense with the very next verse, which says "For in him all things were created". The entire universe was created in, through, and for Him, this is what the passage says He is the prOtokos of all creation. The phrasing doesn't have to include Him.

  • @InspiringPhilosophy
    @InspiringPhilosophy  11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yeah, the problem is there are several other places where prophets see God. Again, Dr. Michael Brown address all of these verses and explains they actually confirm the Trinity: /watch?v=cJvUlrNa-Z8

  • @jacobbrown4971
    @jacobbrown4971 9 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    I love the point you make at shortly after the 7 minute mark about the distinction of the title of firstborn as it applies to duty rather then birth order. as you can tell my name is Jacob so I know all about the story of my namesake. The story of which demonstrates your point to this effect, otherwise how could Jacob have taken the title of firstborn from esau? and im not refrencing the trickery played on his father but rather the exchange as ok'd by esau and as such he had no right to protest, his fathers blessing was given to the "owner of the birthright" lol but great video.

  • @peytonhemmelgarn4359
    @peytonhemmelgarn4359 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I get into it a lot in instagram comment sections and had a guy claim God had to create sin since He created everything. That was a long convo

  • @VoiceofTruth-iv8pq
    @VoiceofTruth-iv8pq 10 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    1. Prov 8 :22. Unfortunately for our video maker, this scripture has been used from the second century on by Christian apologists to argue that the Son pre-existed . If he is going to insist on 'personification' then the best example of that is the Holy Spirit which in the OT is an it and also an it in the NT, but frequently personified, especially as the paraclete.
    2. Christian apologists also used the Angel of the Lord/Yahweh's angel to argue that the Christ, the Son, pre-existed. But these logos theologians were platonists and believed the logos was a secondary/ intermediary God. The angel of the Lord, according to the Bible, to Jews and other Christian groups is an angel and not God himself.
    3. Angels are called 'Sons of God'.
    4. To escape the obvious conclusion of 'firstborn, the video maker engages in redefinitionism.
    He has no alternative otherwise his entire theology collapses.
    5. We then have a whole list of scriptures that need to be explained away and assuming a Trinity allows him to do this. Hundreds of times Jesus is differentiated from God (not the Father ). He is shown to be subordinate etc but this is dismissed as Jesus in his human nature. But then he says after his resurrection, Jesus was once again fully divine. Unfortunately, the resurrected Jesus still had a God. (John 20 :17). The glorified Jesus in heaven still has a God )Rev 3 :12). Clearly, a 'God' who himself has a God is not the ultimate God.

  • @IanHydeFamousAdventurer
    @IanHydeFamousAdventurer 5 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    It sounds like a lot of people confuse positional traits with traits of being. Clearer teaching on these differences would probably avoid a lot of the misunderstandings people have regarding what scripture says about the Trinity.

  • @InspiringPhilosophy
    @InspiringPhilosophy  11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    This isn't saying Jesus had a beginning, it says Jesus is "the beginning". The is verse is telling us Jesus is where creation began. The writer is not saying Jesus was the 1st created being, but that the Logos is the point where God's creation began. The Greek word 'arche' means top, first, or corner. The Greeks called the first of something the 'arche', as the a begining starts at the "top." No way does the verse say Jesus was created.

  • @InspiringPhilosophy
    @InspiringPhilosophy  11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Then that contradicts Col 1:16 which says, "For in him all things were created". Col 1:15 just says Jesus the prOTokos of all creation. He is the head and has rank over all creation. Analogy: A rooster has to have rank over all hens, but that doesn't mean he is a hen because he is the highest rank of them.

  • @bradshawfamilyfarm602
    @bradshawfamilyfarm602 ปีที่แล้ว

    Information is awesome, can't stand the music , it's distracting. Still gonna subscribe, thanks.

  • @InspiringPhilosophy
    @InspiringPhilosophy  11 ปีที่แล้ว

    John 1:1 says the Word is God. John 1:14 says the Word became flesh and dwelt among us. How much more context do you need? It is clear that the word became flesh and the Word is God. See my video, "Refuting Objections to the Trinity (Part 2)".

  • @InspiringPhilosophy
    @InspiringPhilosophy  10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You are still thinking the the Triune God has to obey our physical laws like we do. Comparing the nature of Adam and Eve to God doesn't make sense since we are bound to 3D laws of space-time.

  • @ericbadu3726
    @ericbadu3726 10 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Excellent work thank you. This is very useful for me. Glory be to the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit.

  • @Chronosara
    @Chronosara 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Interesting points. However, I do wonder what you make of verses such as John 1:1, 5:18, 10:30-33 in respect to the mutability of Christ.
    I understand your citation of 2 Corinthians 13:4, but how does that make sense when juxtaposed with John 14:6, where Jesus says that He is the Life.
    You said that God does not change His Nature and you also stated that His power is unchanging. Would you consider those two things to be the same, similar, or not similar? I am just trying to better understand.

  • @InspiringPhilosophy
    @InspiringPhilosophy  10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    I don't care if you disagree, you have refuted offered any rebuttal, and anything you have done has been refute. Remember that salvation can only come from the Lord (Jonah 2:9), who became man (John 1:14). So a man cannot be given credit for salvation, only God who became man can. I point this out here: /watch?v=G1FlAC3hz5c

  • @InspiringPhilosophy
    @InspiringPhilosophy  10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Ok and? It is not about any old conclusion, but the best and most logical one. Which has the most explanatory power. The Bible is clear there is only one God, not separate demigods.

  • @2222pauline
    @2222pauline 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    tried to send a private message. Sorry You had locks in place
    Do you mind if I ask PLEASE .
    What group do You meet with ?

  • @InspiringPhilosophy
    @InspiringPhilosophy  11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Yes, some belief he was simply a man/prophet. Some say he was an angel, who became a man, who then became a demi-god. Some say he was the first created thing and is a demi-god. There are several variations, but they all say He is not the eternal God, which is a lie.

  • @InspiringPhilosophy
    @InspiringPhilosophy  11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You obviously didn't watch the video (6:51). The Trinity is not hard to understand see my two part video called "the Trinity explained (with reason)".

  • @purplecat733
    @purplecat733 ปีที่แล้ว

    I’m not disagreeing I just find it hard to say this is end all correct
    But helped answer some questions I had in regards to wisdom.
    What part of the trinity do u consider the pillar of fire over the ark of the cov is that the same as like comparatively to a messenger like something able to speak on behalf of God ? Just curious.

  • @davidgreen835
    @davidgreen835 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    With respect to the word bara, despite the varied meanings of the word, there was a time when the heavens and the earth did not exist, so it falls right back to the basic meaning within the context of the verse, that 'create' or 'bara' means to bring into existence.
    The parallel you drew about the personification of wisdom, I do not consider to be a strong parallel, because unlike the heavens and the earth which have beginnings, wisdom have no beginning.

  • @InspiringPhilosophy
    @InspiringPhilosophy  11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Of course i don't dispute that. And if that is your argument then you do not understand what the doctrine of the Trinity is. Of course the Son's source is in the Father.

  • @InspiringPhilosophy
    @InspiringPhilosophy  11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    No, once we understand the original Greek, it doesn't refute the Trinity and I go on to show that. You are confusing the ontological structure with the economic structure of the Trinity.

  • @InspiringPhilosophy
    @InspiringPhilosophy  11 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    You do realize 1 Corinthians 1:30 is not a quote of Proverbs 8. Paul and Solomon are not talking of the same topics. Paul is saying "And because of him you are in Christ Jesus, who became to us wisdom from God, righteousness and sanctification and redemption," In no way does this say Jesus is created. Again, see my video, "The Trinity in the New Testament"

  • @Disegnarecomeivecchimaestri
    @Disegnarecomeivecchimaestri 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Can i ask you romans 1:4 and revelation3:14 (p.s. i speak italian not english sorry for errors) God bless you

    • @forsenbaj3688
      @forsenbaj3688 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      answeringislamblog.wordpress.com/?s=Revelation+3%3A14
      www.youtube.com/@shamounian/search?query=Revelation%203%3A14

  • @InspiringPhilosophy
    @InspiringPhilosophy  11 ปีที่แล้ว

    If it is within God's ability and desire out of His love for us, then yes. God being complex in His nature can be more than one person. One came to earth, another is in Heaven.
    NO, you are taking what I said out of context. Dr. Brown, messianic scholar, has explained this passage in context with the rest of the Bible (Not added scripture). See the link in the information section, "What About Numbers 23:19"

  • @steladimi4785
    @steladimi4785 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video, but the music is just annoying. Such important topic does not need music to accompany it.

  • @emersonkennedy4189
    @emersonkennedy4189 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think that it is also worth pointing out that in Hebrews 1:8-12 the writer says that God calls Jesus "God" in verse 8 and then he calls Jesus "Lord" in verse 10. All the while saying that Jesus "laid the foundation in the beginning," (1:10) that "you are the same and your years will have no end." (1:11-12). Note: I use the ESV.

  • @alexukback
    @alexukback 10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Brilliant

  • @marshallmatters9865
    @marshallmatters9865 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Page 2
    I wanted to hear the voice over and over again, till it becomes like my close friend everyday it speaks to me. It showed me many things and made me see many things. At that time i Didn't have a laptop. Anyway, after a year the voice was still talking to me and one day i was ignorant so i tell the voice that was talking to me to leave me alone and i curse it. The next day the voice was gone, it was one for about 3 weeks.

  • @maryann1972
    @maryann1972 9 ปีที่แล้ว

    First of all a'd like to thank you for answering my burning questions so well am impressed and keep up the good work. Av questions on the spirits. How do you differentiate between good an evil spirits and are there God's spirit or it s just the Holy Spirit of God? Thanks in advance

  • @InspiringPhilosophy
    @InspiringPhilosophy  11 ปีที่แล้ว

    See my video, "The Trinity in the Old Testament." The Link is in the About Section.

  • @InspiringPhilosophy
    @InspiringPhilosophy  11 ปีที่แล้ว

    1st of all, the Infancy Gospel of Thomas is a late 3rd century forgery. Any one who quotes it as automative doesn't know textural criticism or history. It also shows Muhammed relied on unreliable sources.
    2nd, if you read Mark 10:18 in context it makes sense. Jesus is forcing the young ruler to face the implications of calling Jesus good, not only with regard to Jesus' goodness, but also with regard to his own. Jesus challenges him to define his attitude towards what is good.

  • @InspiringPhilosophy
    @InspiringPhilosophy  11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yes, you are trying to make God work in terms of 3 dimensional laws, or as we understand them in our universe. But God is not part of this universe and is above such conditions. Check out the two videos I mentioned. They are the first two links in the above information section.

  • @InspiringPhilosophy
    @InspiringPhilosophy  11 ปีที่แล้ว

    Yes, very true! If Michael is one of the chief priests it shows MIchael has equals with Him. But the Bible teaches Jesus is only equal to God the Father (Phil. 2:5-7). So is Jesus is Michael then we have to deduce that there are equals to God, but then we give ground to mormons who say God Elohim has several equals.
    Thanks for the support and encouragement. I couldn't keep going if people, like yourself, didn't keep lifting me up. God Bless.

  • @felipethames4808
    @felipethames4808 8 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    HI InspiriringPhilosophy!
    First of all , congrats for your videos i ve definitely learnt a lot about the topic.
    I just have one task to ask your opinion. I know that there is a group "door door people" that teaches that Jesus is a creature , comparing with the archangel Miguel. I totally disagree with them about Jesus being a creature. However i'm wondering if ,as the same way as you showed that the bible in the old testament describe Jesus as the angel of the Lord , maybe when it(bible) refers to the arcangel Miguel is just another name of Jesus. NOT that he is an Angel, but that it is another way to call Jesus. One curious point is that miguel meas " God like' so.. it is JESUS! Do you understand my point? as the same way you said that Jesus is described in the old testament as angel of the Lord , he is described in the new (apocalypse for example ) as Arcangel MIguel. Jesus is GOD! and has many names, Eternal Father, King of Kings, alpha and omega, Emanuel, ......and Miguel!! what is your opinion!? (remember im not denying that Jesus is GOD, ust saying that miguel is one of his names cited in the bible)

    • @InspiringPhilosophy
      @InspiringPhilosophy  8 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      +Felipe Thames I don't think so. The Book of Jude suggest Michael is not the LORD, but has to call on the name of the Lord. He cannot cast Satan out on his own.

    • @felipethames4808
      @felipethames4808 8 ปีที่แล้ว

      +InspiringPhilosophy
      first of all, sorry about the delay. In the book of jude says that Miguel and Satan were disputing the body of moses. One important thing is that "disputing " here doesnt means a fight (physically) but a debate. Let me explain why. If you check verse 9 when says that Miguel he "...did not dare accuse the devil of blasphemy.."it means that they were arguing and Miguel said to satan that he wouldnt accuse him of" blasphemy" and act with the same respect as Satan did. SO, Kindly Miguel(JESUS) said "The Lord rebuke you, The Lord!" and it doesnt means that miguel is not the LORD , he just didn't answered him at the same level of the arguments of blasphemy used by Satan.
      Now, i would like to ask you to remember your video about trinity in the old testament when you told us about the angel of the LORD. Remember when you cited Zechariah 3? it says:
      The LORD(angel of the Lord) said to Satan, "The LORD rebuke you, Satan! The LORD, who has chosen Jerusalem, rebuke you! Is not this man a burning stick snatched from the fire?"
      I would like to call your attention to the phrase " THE LORD rebuke you, The Lord" so, i think your already know where im going to with this brief text. The dialogue is the same, the same situation the Angel of the Lord and Archangel Miguel arguing with Satan. Satan accusing , and blaspheming against God. then , kindly Jesus answer , the Lord rebuke you, the Lord. the similarity is so Big that if you neglected that Miguel is Jesus, you are saying that the Angel of the Lord is not Jesus as well.
      Finally, i would like to remember you , that just because Miguel is one of the names of Christ it doesnt means that JESUS isn't God. Jesus is God! as you showed previously and i agree with you. however I believe that you misunderstood the topic of Miguel. Because many people believe that miguel is not Jesus because it makes him a creature, but it is not true! at the same way that The angel of the lord isnt an Angel just because the name angel , Miguel isnt an archangel just because that.
      Besides of that i could tell you later some text in daniel and apocalipse and etc. that talk more about the Jesus being named as Miguel.
      Hope you understand my views. sorry about the english , it is not my first language.
      Waiting your comment.
      God Bless !

  • @InspiringPhilosophy
    @InspiringPhilosophy  10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That is because the Trinity is not what modalism says. They are one being, but different persons.

  • @markmikhaeel
    @markmikhaeel 3 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Great video IP❤️
    Just one little thing here. You said that after His resurrection, Jesus was again fully divine. In fact, Christ being God incarnate, was always fully divine. His divinity departed not His humanity not a single moment or a twinkle of an eye. He hasn’t been glorified yet, but always divine since eternity and forever.
    We just need to be very careful with the language that we use sometimes. May God bless you brother🙂

  • @InspiringPhilosophy
    @InspiringPhilosophy  11 ปีที่แล้ว

    I have already watched that debate and the Trinitarians clearly won as the unitarians couldn't respond to the Trinitarian objections. Instead, they just changed the subject instead of addressing the actual question. They also couldn't respond on the Ignatius quote.
    Stop spamming my comment section with a bunch of crappy links. I will not tolerate it.

  • @InspiringPhilosophy
    @InspiringPhilosophy  11 ปีที่แล้ว

    You would think that, being it is so obvious, but unitarians try to jump through crazy hoops to avoid submitting on that one.

  • @InspiringPhilosophy
    @InspiringPhilosophy  11 ปีที่แล้ว

    That is an argument from silence.
    What are you smoking? Col 1:15 says He is the firstborn OVER all creation.
    Which doesn't contradict anything, and is simply an understanding of the economic structure of the Trinity.

  • @TheIconodule
    @TheIconodule 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    whats your source for the idea that firstborn doesn't mean of lineage but in priority? ( Me thinks you would do good to footnote your video) ;)
    Enjoyed it nontheless.

  • @kevin7242
    @kevin7242 9 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    I agree that using the verse about wisdom being created is a stretch. But the parallel is clear and the poetic personification strengthens the idea that Jesus being the Logos is about being the perfect expression of the word, will and character of God, not that Jesus himself is God.
    I mostly agree with the rest of the video.

  • @misterauctor7353
    @misterauctor7353 ปีที่แล้ว

    0:36 So the argument is since wisdom and word have the letter W in them, therefore Jesus is in Proverbs 8.

  • @gleasonparker1684
    @gleasonparker1684 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    Do you have any books on KINDLE ?

  • @InspiringPhilosophy
    @InspiringPhilosophy  10 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    That is being ad hoc.

  • @InspiringPhilosophy
    @InspiringPhilosophy  11 ปีที่แล้ว

    If you are just going to ignore what I say & attack a straw man the only person you are going to convince is yourself. Misrepresenting Christian theology & trying to force our beliefs to meet your presuppositions doesn't do you any good. You can either accept that we merely think God is 1 yet 3 persons & stop saying that means something completely different (like we are polytheists) or you can get lost & try your straw man arguments else where. Either way you are just making yourself look bad.

  • @yourfutureself3392
    @yourfutureself3392 3 ปีที่แล้ว

    Could you please make a vid about a philosophical defense of the trinity, not a theological one. It could be very interesting.

  • @toshiyukisuzuki7610
    @toshiyukisuzuki7610 4 ปีที่แล้ว

    What a useful video with a very essential topic so many do not understand, even Christians. But you talk too fast. It somehow ruins the merits of the video. Please consider this suggestion seriously in your future videos. You might be losing opportunities for people to watch more of your videos and learn more. Thank you.

  • @InspiringPhilosophy
    @InspiringPhilosophy  10 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It is not about the claim but about the best explanation and reason backing the claim. Anyone can make a claim, do they have the evidence to back it up.

  • @DaFithGospel
    @DaFithGospel 11 ปีที่แล้ว

    I think Colossians 2:8-9 may be a good scripture to answer my question and backs your videos on the trinity actually. Could it be saying that even though Jesus is one person, he is also indwelt by the other members of the Godhead, and that's what makes him fully God? "I in you and you in me" and so on...

  • @zekdom
    @zekdom 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Time-stamps
    0:40 , 1:15, 1:37 - Proverbs 8:22
    1:28 - Proverbs 4:13
    1:35 - Inspiring Philosophy said, “If wisdom is understood to be a created being because it is personified, then we have to conclude that every time Solomon personifies a virtue, he is speaking of a created being. In actuality, Solomon uses poetic personification for the desirableness of wisdom so he can compare it to the desirableness of women. That is why wisdom is personified and given effeminate pronouns.
    *See Proverbs 8:2-3,11* “
    2:36 - Acts 20:28 and modalism
    3:00 - Angel
    4:28 - Jude 1:9
    4:53, 5:07 - Michael the Archangel and Jesus, Hebrews 1:5-6
    5:41, 6:32 - Michael the Archangel and 1 Thessalonians 4:16 and 2 Thessalonians 1:7
    6:55 - Colossians 1:15
    7:23 - Jesus praying to God
    7:43, 8:02 - John 14:28 and 1 Corinthians 11:3
    8:20 - John Chrysostom’s take
    8:31 - “position” and “essence”
    8:45 - Hebrews 2:9 and Philippians 2:5-7