The fact that someone else listened to Darkest Hour still makes me very happy till this day. Lead guitarist Kris Norris had some of the most amazing guitar riff writing skills back then.
this a million times. undoing ruin is my fav metal album of all time. something about how it is so insanely melodic and dark at the same time. a true masterpiece.
Funny that modern metalcore is very nu metal inspired, when at the time the old school metalcore stuff came out, nu metal was considered next to shit. I grew up on the older stuff, but do enjoy both flavors, personally.
Chimaira was also a great Metalcore band of the early 2000’s. They had alot of great shit! “The Impossibility of Reason” was a great album. Shadows Fall and Unearth f-ing great! Especially back in the day!
omfg Darkest Hour Undoing Ruin is such a fucking slamming album still listen to it till this day. Matter of fact listen to the whole album through 4 times at work about 5 days ago lol.
Oh man and Knocked Loose are on here too. A Tear In The Fabric of Life was one of the best EPs I’ve ever heard and made me fall in love with the band. KL fuck so hard.
I’m trying my best to enjoy modern metalcore but I’m having such a hard time with it. I wonder if it’s because 2000’s metalcore has my heart when it comes to anything heavy and nothing compares. Don’t get me wrong, I fucking love chugs and 0 tabbed riffs but when that’s everything, you get kinda desentized to it and it loses its pop. I don’t know man, I feel like modern day doesn’t have that same energy and that intensity old school did. With all that said, Thomas you still absolutely crushed this video and your talent is insane!! I’m excited for the future of this channel!
Yup, I grew up with 2000s metalcore. Picked up a guitar around the same time, early mid 2000s. It's still better today. Some really, really iconic bands and songs. For me, melody is everything in metal. If you nail the perfect mix of melody and groove, you get something special. Unearth, Darkest Hour, August Burns Red, some of my favorites of that time period. Happy to say I saw them all live, multiple times each, back in those days.
Mad respect for choosing drowned and torn asunder, such a deep cut but I love that song. That said, idk I think Rain off that album would've been better for just showing off 2000s metalcore
Excellent video, brought back some memories. I can recall hours upon hours spent in my late teens-early 20s attempting to learn all but one the "Then" songs. Good times.
As a guy who spent most of his musical career playing with bands from the mid to late 2000's and some early 2010's I will just always prefer the sound of that era of metalcore. Perhaps its just a nostalgia thing and I'm just biased but I can only listen to a fraction of the newer stuff compare to the earlier stuff.
YES! DARKEST HOUR!! Love it man. Also top notch using Unearth too. What about some Aftershock, Merauder, Reprisal, Length Of Time, Arkangel and maybe some eurocore? Heaven Shall Burn?
@@ThomasHogue fuck yeah! Look at the h8000 crew like Liar and all the Belgian bands on Good life records. Morning Again, old Poison The Well, eulogy records etc etc. Awesome stuff dude
Honestly, it's quite interesting how distictly different metalcore has become now in comparison to metalcore in the 2000s. Especially since 2000s metalcore was influenced by melodic death metal, while modern metalcore is more influenced by nu metal, progressive metal and djent. That said, I think it would be also interesting to see another "Metalcore Then vs. Now" video, but this time comparing modern metalcore with 1990's metalcore (Shai Hulud, Earth Crisis, Overcast, Vision of Disorder, Converge, Integrity, and Merauder... to name a few), which was more hardcore punk influenced.
@@ThomasHogue like Omar Rodriguez-Lopez vs Jimi Hendrix (maybe bad example) ,Tom Morello vs Johnny Greenwood, James Hetfield vs Dimebag Darrell, Tosin Abasi vs Joe Satriani.. I’m older what can I say 🤷♂️
Not really a metal pick, but I'm hopeful. My favorite band is 5FDP. They have grown and changed over the years, and I'd love to see you do a rendition. Either way dude, you have shown me so much music I never knew existed. I wish more people were subbed so you could get the recognition you deserve
That's what I like to hear! Thanks for the kind words. 5FDP gets a lot of hate but they do have some good moments. Will think about if I can work them in 🤘
still prefer classic metalcore, I think its because I also really like powerful vocals (like old Queensryche, BlackBox, Lady Gaga, Dio are a few) so I want really passionate riffs if I can't have spectacular vocals. I find some gems but theyre artists that are inspired by the 80's (Air Raid, Sumerlands for ex), so I have a hard time finding newer stuff that appeals to me.
Absolutely agree. I'm very picky about screaming vocals, and like a break from it with cleans. Which is why I love Trivium, ATR, and Killswitch. As much as I love other bands like Sylosis, I'm always hearing parts where clean vocals would be perfect.
after the burial still has righteous thrash parts! love that band. reminds me of the awesomeness of the chunky jams that happened in the 2010's but without a hint of nu metal that we all grew to loathe being from the early era.
You always pick some pretty killer songs to use 🤘 When I saw the Bleeding Through song, all I could think of was the Willem Dafoe sample from Boondock Saints 😂
Crystal Lake is an awesome band, I’d recommend them in a heartbeat to anyone that wants to get into newer metalcore. And they’re awesome live, I just saw them with Spite, Brand of Sacrifice, and August Burns Red. Killer show
Again, I was never a metalcore fan back in the day AT ALL, (thrash all day everyday!). But ironiclly, I like the newer stuff a lot more. More experimental and interesting imo.
Been getting into more metal again lately. Would love to see you do some riffs from Spiritbox, Sleep Token, Thornhill and Northlane. Also, not sure if Chunk! No, Captain Chunk! is metalcore enough, but they also have some pretty sick riffs. In the Pop Punk vein, Sum 41 has some heavy riffs too. ADTR is another with good breakdowns. And for an older band, Deftones has a lot of good breakdowns and riffs. Idk how much Nu Metal/Alt Metal stuff you have explored, but there is content there as well.
Interesting opinion. Personally I think that older metalcore is great in terms of nostalgia and memorable riffs, modern metalcore is also just as good, idk why it just is for me, same with deathcore tbh
I still enjoy some modern metalcore but 2000s and even 2010s core was way better. And you’re absolutely right, deathcore has consistently gotten better especially with bands like Shadow of Intent and Lorna Shore.
I think the way modern metalcore downtunes really isn't my cup of tea. I like when the riffs are tight, punchy, technical, and melodic. I get the chugginess of downtuning but I say leave that for the death core and djent fans.
Generally I think the modern stuff is better. Silent planet, thornhill, spiritbox, invent animate and ofc architects (though not really their current album), those bands are so good!
There were a lot of terrible Metalcore bands in the 2000s. I sampled many bands in those days but really only stuck with August Burns Red and Throwdown to be honest.
@@zxc521137210 Well.. yes and no. For Metalcore bands which came from Hardcore scene that was the other way round. Bands which came out in 00's from Metal scene and was also labeled Metalcore so for them yes like you writing. Cheers
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Both are very technical but 2000's Metalcore was catchier and better in my opinion
I love the fact that Trivium still has this thrashy and melodic sounding riffs.
The fact that someone else listened to Darkest Hour still makes me very happy till this day.
Lead guitarist Kris Norris had some of the most amazing guitar riff writing skills back then.
Indeed! Underrated riffs
this a million times. undoing ruin is my fav metal album of all time. something about how it is so insanely melodic and dark at the same time. a true masterpiece.
Man, starting off with Unearth was the greatest idea ever.
Old stuff beats the shit out of the new metalcore
What you are telling me, is I already lived through the best era of Metalcore when I was a teenager.
Yes. Nothing beats 2000s era metal core. It was at its peak.
Your picks for the 2000's were so good. Definitely encapsulates a lot of my favorites.
Man i must be a boomer cuz i love all the old songs and see no love in the new stuff
Funny that modern metalcore is very nu metal inspired, when at the time the old school metalcore stuff came out, nu metal was considered next to shit. I grew up on the older stuff, but do enjoy both flavors, personally.
A quiet place to die was easily my top album of 2020. Glad to see metalcore going back towards it's hardcore roots lately.
Bands like Knocked Loose and Kublai Khan got that “hardcore-core” kind of sound where they are in between hardcore and metalcore.
@@Mavvyd96sunami as well. I call it ARF-core lmao
@@Mavvyd96 Boundaries & Mouth for War, thank me later
Undoing Ruin, from Darkest Hour, one of the best metalcore album ever !
(Hidden hands of a sadist nation was awesome too)
Chimaira was also a great Metalcore band of the early 2000’s. They had alot of great shit! “The Impossibility of Reason” was a great album. Shadows Fall and Unearth f-ing great! Especially back in the day!
That bleeding through riff though! And straight into Knocked Loose. Metalcore has always been great.
omfg Darkest Hour Undoing Ruin is such a fucking slamming album still listen to it till this day. Matter of fact listen to the whole album through 4 times at work about 5 days ago lol.
Oh man and Knocked Loose are on here too. A Tear In The Fabric of Life was one of the best EPs I’ve ever heard and made me fall in love with the band. KL fuck so hard.
I love that you threw in the old school bleeding through, darkest hour, and trivium. All of those albums bring me right back to high school
Same!
Much more melody is thr classics. Groove as well. They flowed so well. There's no denying it. A fantastic Era in metal we may never see again
I’m trying my best to enjoy modern metalcore but I’m having such a hard time with it. I wonder if it’s because 2000’s metalcore has my heart when it comes to anything heavy and nothing compares.
Don’t get me wrong, I fucking love chugs and 0 tabbed riffs but when that’s everything, you get kinda desentized to it and it loses its pop.
I don’t know man, I feel like modern day doesn’t have that same energy and that intensity old school did.
With all that said, Thomas you still absolutely crushed this video and your talent is insane!! I’m excited for the future of this channel!
These videos are the perfect blend of nostalgia and showing me new bands to check out! Love this series!
That's what I like to hear!
every old metalcore music always has the cloudy mood and gloomy weather in my imagination which is the best weather!
i love the old pure fast and melodic metalcore riffs so much
Always love seeing you pull out the old school Myspace throwbacks. I won't get tired of seeing your guitar collection
Nice to see Unearth and Darkest Hour in there! I feel like those bands have some of the best riffs and don’t get mentioned very much at all
Bro, the quality of your videos are absolutely S tier. Hope you get bigger soon.
Thank you so much. I appreciate the support!
Dude, do one more Thrash Metal then and now. You introduced me to Angelus Apatrida because of that. Can't thank you enough.
That could happen, definitely a lot of bands I didn't get to! Angelus Apatrida is great.
Hometown band :) not my style but they are fckn great live!
have you seen them live yet? one of the best bands
I definitely prefer to metalcore of the 2000-2010 era much more than the more modern metal core. I'm still a deathcore dude all day every day though!
Love these videos for introducing me to great new songs. Keep it up!
That's what's up! Thanks for watching
I was so worried that Unearth wasn't going to make your list. Well done.
Ascendancy is such a good album from start to finish
Yup, I grew up with 2000s metalcore. Picked up a guitar around the same time, early mid 2000s. It's still better today. Some really, really iconic bands and songs. For me, melody is everything in metal. If you nail the perfect mix of melody and groove, you get something special. Unearth, Darkest Hour, August Burns Red, some of my favorites of that time period. Happy to say I saw them all live, multiple times each, back in those days.
and this is how my playlist grows... excellent
You nailed this dude
Mad respect for choosing drowned and torn asunder, such a deep cut but I love that song. That said, idk I think Rain off that album would've been better for just showing off 2000s metalcore
The light that blinds… Blew my middle school mind while playing it on guitar hero 2!
Excellent video, brought back some memories. I can recall hours upon hours spent in my late teens-early 20s attempting to learn all but one the "Then" songs. Good times.
Love that shadows fall riff, the first metal song I ever heard! Great video
I waited for this, great Video!
Thanks, glad you liked it!
Today's metalcore is tuned lower and has more chugging and I love it.
Old! Win!
i loved see u playing darkest hour song dude
As a guy who spent most of his musical career playing with bands from the mid to late 2000's and some early 2010's I will just always prefer the sound of that era of metalcore. Perhaps its just a nostalgia thing and I'm just biased but I can only listen to a fraction of the newer stuff compare to the earlier stuff.
That MIW riff is so old school. Glad they still doin it
YES! DARKEST HOUR!! Love it man. Also top notch using Unearth too. What about some Aftershock, Merauder, Reprisal, Length Of Time, Arkangel and maybe some eurocore? Heaven Shall Burn?
Will have to check some of those out! You did just give me an idea about doing a different country riff battle though too
@@ThomasHogue fuck yeah! Look at the h8000 crew like Liar and all the Belgian bands on Good life records. Morning Again, old Poison The Well, eulogy records etc etc. Awesome stuff dude
Born From Pain is 🤘 and Angel Reich is🤘.
I se you proposed bands which are also part of Hardcore scene. Good 👍
Honestly, it's quite interesting how distictly different metalcore has become now in comparison to metalcore in the 2000s. Especially since 2000s metalcore was influenced by melodic death metal, while modern metalcore is more influenced by nu metal, progressive metal and djent.
That said, I think it would be also interesting to see another "Metalcore Then vs. Now" video, but this time comparing modern metalcore with 1990's metalcore (Shai Hulud, Earth Crisis, Overcast, Vision of Disorder, Converge, Integrity, and Merauder... to name a few), which was more hardcore punk influenced.
so good
Would love to see a round 3 with a song from It Dies Today - The Caitiff Choir for the older side. There's some legendary breakdowns on that album.
These videos fucking rock! Keep doing them! Maybe do a battle of the guitarists catalogs next??
Thanks! What would an example of that be?
@@ThomasHogue like Omar Rodriguez-Lopez vs Jimi Hendrix (maybe bad example) ,Tom Morello vs Johnny Greenwood, James Hetfield vs Dimebag Darrell, Tosin Abasi vs Joe Satriani.. I’m older what can I say 🤷♂️
Not really a metal pick, but I'm hopeful. My favorite band is 5FDP. They have grown and changed over the years, and I'd love to see you do a rendition. Either way dude, you have shown me so much music I never knew existed. I wish more people were subbed so you could get the recognition you deserve
That's what I like to hear! Thanks for the kind words. 5FDP gets a lot of hate but they do have some good moments. Will think about if I can work them in 🤘
Great picks man!! Love it!!
Oldschool metalcore took a lot of influences from melodeath and thrash, nowadays they all try to become the next meshuggah with really technical stuff
still prefer classic metalcore, I think its because I also really like powerful vocals (like old Queensryche, BlackBox, Lady Gaga, Dio are a few) so I want really passionate riffs if I can't have spectacular vocals. I find some gems but theyre artists that are inspired by the 80's (Air Raid, Sumerlands for ex), so I have a hard time finding newer stuff that appeals to me.
Absolutely agree. I'm very picky about screaming vocals, and like a break from it with cleans. Which is why I love Trivium, ATR, and Killswitch. As much as I love other bands like Sylosis, I'm always hearing parts where clean vocals would be perfect.
You killed it 🔥🔥
ughhhh how freaking good was undying ruin tho 🥵🥵🥵🥵🥵🥵
Undoing. Lol.
Sometimes i feel like a boomer because i can't like modern metalcore. I miss the goddamnits 00's riffs
after the burial still has righteous thrash parts! love that band. reminds me of the awesomeness of the chunky jams that happened in the 2010's but without a hint of nu metal that we all grew to loathe being from the early era.
I was hoping you'd do some Norma Jean right after Knocked Loose to highlight their similarities despite a decade + between them.
Always good stuff!
Woah that Unearth song at the start reminded me a lot of Born Of Osiris. Wonder if that was one of the influences for their music
Alright here we go :D
You always pick some pretty killer songs to use 🤘 When I saw the Bleeding Through song, all I could think of was the Willem Dafoe sample from Boondock Saints 😂
Lmao had to google it. Not far off. Thanks for watching!
The light that binds is still a banger!
i like like this series!
Crystal Lake is an awesome band, I’d recommend them in a heartbeat to anyone that wants to get into newer metalcore. And they’re awesome live, I just saw them with Spite, Brand of Sacrifice, and August Burns Red. Killer show
Again, I was never a metalcore fan back in the day AT ALL, (thrash all day everyday!). But ironiclly, I like the newer stuff a lot more. More experimental and interesting imo.
It Dies Today would be a banger of a band to include next time 👀
I saw alpha wolf and instantly clicked
Been getting into more metal again lately. Would love to see you do some riffs from Spiritbox, Sleep Token, Thornhill and Northlane.
Also, not sure if Chunk! No, Captain Chunk! is metalcore enough, but they also have some pretty sick riffs. In the Pop Punk vein, Sum 41 has some heavy riffs too. ADTR is another with good breakdowns.
And for an older band, Deftones has a lot of good breakdowns and riffs. Idk how much Nu Metal/Alt Metal stuff you have explored, but there is content there as well.
Hell yeah! Good suggestions. And coincidentally... I do have a metalcore vs. deathcore breakdowns video that includes both Chunk and ADTR 😃
@@ThomasHogue Thanks ill check it out!
I’m so glad Ice Nine Kills got some love here. I truly think they’re the best modern metalcore band around.
Love the videos man! Do you make your own backtracks?
Thank you! Yes I do
Metalcore after 2013= random fucking screeches and highs for no reason
I'll always say Metalcore went way downhill. Deathcore has improved tremendously though.
Interesting opinion. Personally I think that older metalcore is great in terms of nostalgia and memorable riffs, modern metalcore is also just as good, idk why it just is for me, same with deathcore tbh
Deathcore now is absolutely incredible. The best it’s been since 2008 MySpace deathcore
@@brennyfb Thats a fact
New metalcore is pop mostly
I still enjoy some modern metalcore but 2000s and even 2010s core was way better. And you’re absolutely right, deathcore has consistently gotten better especially with bands like Shadow of Intent and Lorna Shore.
METALCORE NOW IS DJENT addict
Fucking sweet
Starting with Unearth is pretty appropriate, dude kinda looks like a young Buz lol
I thought the same thing hahahah
I think the way modern metalcore downtunes really isn't my cup of tea. I like when the riffs are tight, punchy, technical, and melodic. I get the chugginess of downtuning but I say leave that for the death core and djent fans.
Miss the old days
SHADOWS FALL! missed those guys :(
Please do Punk Rock then vs now
🔥
it really is just a completely different genre nowadays
Then I was a youngin, now I am old oooooffffff.
Old metalcore better than new
2000's were way better. Didn't need fancy backing tracks and low ass tunings to sound good.
Wooo darkest hour
IN THE NEXT VIDEO THERE HAS TO BE A PHINEHAS SONG FROM THE LAST ALBUM. PLEASEEEEEE
Noted! Will keep that in mind 😁
Generally I think the modern stuff is better. Silent planet, thornhill, spiritbox, invent animate and ofc architects (though not really their current album), those bands are so good!
Isnt Knocked Loose a deathcore band?
There were a lot of terrible Metalcore bands in the 2000s. I sampled many bands in those days but really only stuck with August Burns Red and Throwdown to be honest.
now its better but before it was awesome too
I miss when metalcore was basically melodeath with breakdowns.
Tfw no Misery Signals for old school 😢
Does anyone know what guitar he's using on the right? It's gorgeous
It’s a schecter apocalypse c7!
A Quiet Place to Die* Undoing Ruin* 😅
To be honest a quite place to die would be an interesting play on words
I hate that I love it all
It's me or the old metal core sounds a little bit like thrash metal? 🤔
old school metalcore literally just thrash metal with hardcore elements and some influences from melodic death.
Old school metalcore is heavily influenced by thrash and melodic death metal
@@zxc521137210 Well.. yes and no. For Metalcore bands which came from Hardcore scene that was the other way round.
Bands which came out in 00's from Metal scene and was also labeled Metalcore so for them yes like you writing.
Cheers
I’ll be that guy this one was pretty close.
Modern metalcore = tune as low as possible with open 0 - 12 - 0- 1 riffs lol
I think ice nine kills kinda bridge the gap between the old and the new style
FFaK... 🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
Crazy the best era of the genre was when every band just ripped off at the gates
Could have picked more variety besides all the at the gates core bands lol
Not a huge fan of modern metalcore, but the last two bleed from within albums ripp