SaltEMike Recaps Citizencon 2023 - Destination Adventure
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I went to a distribution centre for the first time this month, no other players were seen and once I completed my delivery I was made to leave as I was given a trespassing warning.
I think they should do away with trespassing. Instead let's have new forces inbound, like a security team to retake the site. Once they arrive they'll consider anything you take theft, so you have until they arrive to grab what you can because they'll scan your ship for contraband. If you have a shielded cargo and put the stuff in there it could avoid aggro.
Trespass warning is super dumb at one of those.
Only a few dist centers have tresspassing warning, those are the main ones of corps owning the planet.
There will never be enough players to make the game feel lived-in, even with server meshing. NPCs are a MUST.
Yeah for sure, I did see a restaurant completely full of NPC. Was actually really cool looking. Now they need to actually eat and order food.@@SpaceDad42
Yay, love this time of the year when we realize that CIG is a marketing company and not a gaming company.
Yeah, but you already know, we are about to hit the post-citizencon-hype/copium part of the year
@mikelelele7112 Yep..the "state of the game" was pretty fucking sad last year, pre-citcon.
The only hype that got to me was Chris saying "polish phase" for SQ42.
Finally.. that turd out of the PU development way.
Had to deal with 4 years of PU being on the back burner.
After this year of PU focus....I'm still not impressed.
@@lordfraybin wasn't the first time we heard that "SQ42 is in polishing phase" and "just 2 years away"
@@Stormyy6310 2 years away from being 2 years away.
But backers are blind, so no worries for marketing team
I think it tells you everything you need to know about Distribution Centres that they've been in the game half a year now and I have yet to visit one. And that's with me being a player who majors on cargo and mining; you know, the two professions that should *most* tie into a distribution centre with a refinery.
The game sucks to play and has got way worse the last year.
If the things coming into the PU from SQ42 is any indication of the state that albatross of a game is in, it’s no wonder all these devs they said would be coming over are actually still stuck in SQ4.
The feedback on changes so far has been very negative. CIG c suites would (should) be shitting themselves.
I know they create their own stuff, but let me be clear: Features like these look like the result of flipping assets "The Day Before"-style. Putting crap in to create hype without it being really implemented into the gameplay.
There is NO gameplay "loop" that I like at the moment. I'm more of a carebear myself and I love hauling, crafting and all that. But right now there isn't any fun doing anything. Just meaningless fluff.
I went once, fell through the floor shortly after arriving, and never returned.
Went to distribution center once. No players, no missions, no npcs, just a dead building with nothing to do. It didn't even look interesting. Very blan and unnecessarily big.
I went to distribution centers with missions and had a good time. 😂
Same here, only a week ago did I go there and it was only to get an ursa with a random and complete an extermination mission
went with ursa down there today , pick up item mission , killed a lot of npc loaded them into ursa for gear was very fun. And delivered item to some place for reward.
@@apollo2739 Thats extremely boring. It's pretty sad that I would rather play Osrs then this. Only thing thats been fun since the start is racing
Went to distribution center, run around, got lost in a dead end, logged off
you were able to run around? I died to an npc because my frame rate was at 10
18:35 "High reward" = 45K give or take for an hour
Like how hard would it be to deliver on "high reward", just add a zero and it's there
Bruh the fucking rewards should be like 300k minimum. Looking at how expensive the ships and equipment is in the verse. There is no high reward in it. Just high risk, low rewards
Not yet figured out the "Raid" element , not figured out the collection and refining of commodities yet, nor figured out the delivery of say vehicles from the factory to the show floor. There is a lot implied, but very little actually worked out.
Agreed.. I feel CitCon is the selling of the dream that likely isn't scheduled or possible, not the telling of the game we are likely to get or that they are working on. I want to be wrong.
"Imagine if you could..."
"Maybe you will..."
"Perhaps you can..."
"We hope to..."
"Someday..."
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tired.
Yep.
When you start hearing the qualifiers, they start highlighting how much of the presentation is pure BS.
DCs are a pain to navigate too. I avoided so many delivery mission if i had to go to a DC. When I tried to do them the desk to drop off the deliveries disappeared.
Watching this now is really helping me temper my expectations for base building. Their going to sell us a vision that's 5-7 years out. I hope they finally publicly state that the game should be considered an early access live service game.
If they discuss a feature and it's all slide shows.....
I don't watch these anymore. I just listen to them while I walk. My eyes tend to get me excited about new things while my ears keep me grounded in reality. Where the f is my MM and working Pyro gate or polaris
I hope this opens some people’s eyes. Let’s see if they set a better bar this time and if they deliver.
If people mention Nyx before we get Pyro I will probably tilt ngl. 😊
its been 15 years of this brother
@@gagep.7017 it is true, Citcon should be a case study on how to hype people up to repeat mistakes year after year. You'll have people going in saying "I'm not falling for any of it!" and then at Citcon they are crying from excitement. Fascinating.
@@gagep.7017 yep and I can barely stand 1-2 years of this. If I backed from the start 15 years ago I’d be a broken man at this point
@@Vioblight I started in 2020 and I already am.
7:16 exactly! they are so concentrating on the buildings and arts they are neglecting the gameplay for us that have been waiting for over 12 years now!
IN fact they have gone a little backwards for me as with negative reputation and all the broken missions its not even fun playing at the moment as its even harder now to advance in the game!
I remember reading a comment back in 2018, "This game will ruin your Life." Best to heed that warning!
Guild Wars 2 had really good jumping puzzles...
"Has"
The game is still fun as well and the mounts are some of the best I've seen added to an mmo.
I've played a lot of MMOs in the last 20+ years and I can't think of one that has better jumping puzzles than GW2.
My primary source of income ingame used to be trading.
I haven’t traded once since the cargo patch.
more money in the movies then in the game
Almost every business adventure Chris has been involved in has resulted in legal trouble and/or buyouts.
“buy my pixels!” - CIG
" " - COD/Activision
" " - Fortnite/unreal
" " - Oblivion/Blizzard.. just to name a few who also do this.
@@BR1ZZO the difference is the others one are done and are fun lol. Who are you kidding man
@@AllThingsKenF….. Fun??!! 😂😂😂😂
@@BR1ZZO They actually had a game then sold their pixels. SC is currently a glorified tech demo. Kind of a big difference.
@@XeroJin84oh its glorious
Correct i got all the way up to senior in cargo faild 3 deliverys do to a glitch and got sent all the way back to rookie after a month of doing cargo very disappointing
LoL hours of gameplay moving boxes. INNOVATION! Such a great "upgrade" of an inventory system. Persistent hangers "Will exist" (read 20 years). This entire new "inventory system" is to cut down on the syncing between clients and server. Unknown if it'll be enough yet. (likely not)
Cargo was going to be my top gameplay loop. But two missions of moving one box at a time in and out of my ship and I was done. People on Spectrum love to say how this is realism and what we always wanted! Not for me, I want fun first, realism second.
I’ve never have been so disappointed with a gaming company. Where is the fun? Where is the simplicity of just taking stuff from local inventory? Of just having the cargo go from one to another
Before watching: /popcorn
After watching: WTF
Rewatching it, I'm picking up a LOT more on how they try to couch their words: "it's in greybox", "this is very early", "12 months or so"
If I would there in the crowd, I would throw some eggs.... haha. One Egg for every year after my first pledge.... ( I am so stupid to believe....) LOL.
all those sheep in background yelling out and being excited over the stupidest shit lmao
But sheep make up over 80% of the population. That is where the money is at.. Look no further than "Hollywood" movies.. made for 8 year old mind because most aren't really capable of much more.
The mission team clearly needs more people.
Are they gonna sell buildings the same way they sell vehicles and ships? Are you gonna hafta Pledge Blue Prints? Be interesting to see how you acquire your plot of land and build on it.
They sold "land claims" some years ago.
The Pinoneer as well. (Base building ship)
But - ALL of the building mechanics will probably be generic as fuck.
More non-interactable place holders.
Where is my Merchantman?
Where is my Liberator? It showed that they had two teams working on it but have heard nothing.
@@MavicAir1 the worst part is now that they are doing one manufacturer at a time, if your ship is one of the last picked you are just screwed. "Nope sorry, Anvil isn't scheduled until 2028 after RSI, Aegis, Drake, MISC, etc."
@@senn4237 consolidated outlands has 2 ships :( and my favorite design style
Right where you left it. 😅
@senn4237 2028 is optimistic considering they arent done with 1/3 of the big rsi ships yet they mentioned
Polaris - galaxy - perseus
Hey SaltEmike hope the family is doing fine after that monster storm!
It missed me I’m pretty far south
@@saltemikereactsGood to hear mate, stay safe ❤
and the fucking roads don't even go miles outside the distribution centers to make it more real
2024 is a complete failure. Overhyped. Overpromised. Under-delivered. Broken.
Distribution Center 3/10: Great look and presence with no gameplay worth speaking of.
Reputation 0/10: Absent in any meaningful way.
Rewards 0/10: Nothing. Nada. Buy it from the Subscriber Store.
Missions 1/10: Awaiting a refactor and not implemented beyond the necessary hauling missions.
Freight Elevators 4/10: Solid implementation of the elevator with some bugs, UI issues, and gameplay considerations left to work out. Where are the specialized cargo containers (refrigerated, hazardous, ammo box, suit locker, med box, missile rack...)? What aboit bringing up vehicles?
Local Inventory 1/10: They broke looting...in an MMO. No tools to organize and efficiently manipulate inventory. Ships were not updated to have internal storage lockers, necessitating gear boxes on most ships. Gearing up and maintaining gear has become ludicrously difficult.
I have the feeling that the loss of Todd Papy was bigger than we know. I wonder how much of this year's failure is due to the vacuum he left. Things felt positive and progressive before he left, then we got the year we got. A good director can make a big difference.
This is masturbation..
Base building will be similar. So many sky level features will end up being presented, but then it’s: “drop a box on a planet and use what little we already put inside it only. Deal with it.”
Reputation in Q2 2025
I'm gonna be sick of the SC soundtrack probably 10 years before it comes out lol
Hey Mike you've asked what blocking them and the simple answer is SQ42 most of the resources put into it and PU is just spmewhere at background if they say SQ is feature complete it doesn't mean that all work is done
The simple answer is SQ42 but they ran an entire event explaining that it won’t be blocking them because it’s feature complete….😂
@@saltemikereacts yep and it's not true as we can see now but i'am 100% sure that we won't see any major changes in the PU until they release SQ. jeez just imagine what we are talking about here they making like huge call of duty style AAA single player game with all the cutscenes dialogues and the story this thing alone can be a big challenge to any dev and in the same time they making what? The biggest and nearly impossible to make massive mmo that no one ever done before. It's clear they are unable to make both at the same time no matter what they say to public.
Someone should go over every Citizen Con and track their success rate :D
I personally believe we will forever be gated out of having anything like raids for as long as we don't have the credit split that we have now.
If we were to get a raid in game the credit payout would have to be astronomically high and for as long as the credits are split as they are the payout for skeleton/solo running it would be so absurdly high. I know in my bones that when bunker missions payed out 100k each they were for sure intending for you to bring a group with (why would you when you could get 100k?)
Its a pretty movie
RIP 37:50
5:46 What's blocking them? its been what 3 years for PYRO and its still not released ( And no real deadline for it either ) and if it takes that long for 1 system to get rolled out how long will it take for the rest ? ( NOT to mentioned that everytime they roll out something it takes for ever for them to fix the plethora of bugs )
2024 will be a watershed-moment that speeds up production. Don't you remember all the watershed-moments from 2023, 2022, 2021, 2020........
@@AlexanderLeisterdon't worry guys the SQ42 team is coming as it is in polish, right?
FML... glad I didn't spring on a ticket for this
54:20 imagine more green rays of building materializing buildings out of thin air! We are building Starcraft in First person!
What we are witnessing Todd speaking about is what Starfield (sa terrible game with good mechanics) archived in a couple of years in development.
Can someone explain to me how the base building is supposed to work when your base is built in the same place that someone else's is? Like how will that work do you just never get matched with that person ever?
From my understanding two people can't claim the same ground. You have to register the land claims with the UEE or another body.
@@bartasbxx there are no systems designed other than "in theory". Base building and land selling is 5-10 years old. CIG keeps going back to this well of money hoping you continue to give them your money on this tech demo only
@@hawk2086 So then you can just buy out all the land hypothetically? Is one land plot always equal to another? in terms of resources? Surely it would have to be otherwise the really good plots will be taken and then nothing but garbage would be left. There is so many questions I have about this system.
What about teraforming the land? I mean if you wanna build stuff you would still need to clear the area out from rocks and stuff. Picture Starfield where that is done when you try to place something,. Is that something they can get to work on the go? I mean it seems like a massive feature to implement. So many questions.
@@bartasbxxif everyone playing the game currently bought a land claim, they wouldn't even fill up Daymar. I don't think you have to worry about all the land being purchased and yes there will be certain spots that are more valuable than others due to resources.
@@hawk2086 Not all land has to be bought out. Just the best plots. Seems like a nightmare system.
Rebyootashun-Rebyootashun-Rebyootashun. Amen.
My Pixels, my Pixels!
3.24 is called Cargo Empires, yet the cargo part is nearly completely broken. It’s really just unbelievable
They should put in some kind of fail safe ( for the negative rep ) so that we dont lose rep on broken missions or if the server bugs or what not!
Is destination adventure when your post gets moved to feedback on spectrum?
You should see the concept art for the distribution centers. The subterranean levels, tunnels, underground mining, refineries. When these were released, players actually thought that would be in the game. What was given was not a whole lot more than just eye candy and the same old missions, just in a different location.
Base building sounds like: High Sec \ Low Sec \ Null Sec from EvE :P
CIG should change their name into CGI lol
Clown Games Inc.? Would be a perfect fit.
MikE! This was an outstanding "back to the past" episode! Spot on time with current event!
GJ!
getting speeding tickets now when i came close to space stations two crime stats with my landing gear down going as slow as i could .. 40k to pay off two crime stats and being a small player it killed my game tonight ..
What speeding tickets??
Bro, that's the guards want to scan and check your hold. You need to stay still and wait for them to finish scanning before you can leave.
@战略忽悠局北美分部 sometimes the cops don't warn and instantly attack you though it's happened to me before
@@teddypicker8799 I guess it might be a bug due to the MS mode. Sometimes when I switch to combat mode, the warning will suddenly appear.
They seem to make great movies.
CiG literally can show a different color for the space cow, and the white knights at Citizencon will give a standing ovation 😂😂😂
To be fair...these features begin with art to establish the aesthetic and ergonomics. Game designers are working on the macro-cosm and can install and implement terminals and systems literally overnight (the development occurring much longer in other closed circles).
BTW the hold up on almost everything...BANDWIDTH!. The server meshing really is the key to a lot of concepts being realized and smooth. That being said, the modular design allows buggy implementation...kinda like an appliance awaiting a proper receptacle to plug into.
weight is only in as it relates to lifting with the tractor. Weight isn't really in until it starts to change flight dynamics.
Let me ask you guys something... I don't care about shared assets, but is the map layout the same in all DCs?
My take on base building:
It cannot be functional until MUCH later in development, when there are a ton of (solar) systems (Unless I misunderstand how it will function)
It will be released WAY too early and for a ridiculous amount of money (carrying cargo quickly was $40, imagine what base building could be initially)
It will not function properly upon release, and will be missing several core featres
Mr. SaltEMike, I hope everything is well after the hurricane. I'm on FEMA's call list for 2024 so I may be in your area soon...
To the game being made, I think some people (majority) think that when they announce something it will happen, in game dev that is not the case. They can talk, but until you see a solid date for 1.0, everything that is said at these conventions is just thought on what could be. I think people need to look at it like that. When I backed this game, I never ever thought it to be anything more than a development hill (I have been backing since 2014). I look at this as until I see a date for 1.0, everything said is just concept, period.
Like I have said multiple times before, this game could die today and close all servers, and I still do not consider the $$$$'s I planted to the development a waste. It was fun while it happened, and I'll just move on.
dude I'm the guy that knew lol
You know too much!
Seeing that they have lots and lots of boxes of various sizes in their hangar and then having to witness how "some" (like 40% ...) of my containers I received for hauling despawn while I sort them off the grid is a bit mindbogling. Why such containers are even eligible for removal is a bit beyond me. I opend an IC ticket therefore but with no other votes on it it pretty much will get closed (as all of my other tickets I opened) as well. No wonder why bugs do not get fixed, when most valid issue repports do not receive the required 10 votes needed to "confirm" it. Instead you'll find plenty of archived ones with similar requests/reports.
Oh yeah you can claim ground vehicles from your freight elevator! Claiming vehicles will be easier than ever!
Meanwhile, in-game:
-Takes like 5 minutes to load one vehicle
-It gets impounded every time you land
those distribution centers were a massive fail to me, landed in the hanger one time and took the elevator and never found a way to get back to the hanger where my ship was ever again. the only reason i go now is with cargo missions but its seems so lame that all i have to do is land under a roof that has a pad and just put the crates on shelves 3 feet from the ramp
Think they'll add "shower and pooping" mechanics this year??
Need a reason for the bathrooms.
Wiping can become a mini-game.
Will bathrooms be safe from violent decompression? (Door closed)
Found the three sea shells at the distro centers, hands down my favorite part of them lol.
whhhaaatt i havent seen these haha i'm gonna have to look harder
Where?
Dude SWg economy was awesome because resource gather had different qualifies so some martials only produces certain colors it was awesome.
the employees at star citizen all need to be fired, they are delusional and are not real gamers. Get some normal people in and start creating a actual game
Pretty sure that was the swan's song of Todd and his team (the last part). I think people didn't like the "best stuff is going to be in Pyro" idea (the original star map design was that the best stuff will be in mid sec and pve "nullsec" - vanduul systems). We'll see if that's the case on this citcon if they going to backpedal
P.S. I believe it hasn't been a "Chris Roberts game" for a while now. For lots of reasons. But I think previously it was "Pillar's Game" - specifically Tony and Todd - and that was a design by committee and I think they had very different understandings of what they game should be. Then it was Todd's game for a couple years and Todd wasn't able to move in the direction he wanted without ruining the funding (he tried multiple times). Now he is replaced with Rich who is very explicitly the man that makes all decisions on SC (they made sure to point it out in multiple ISCs).
I check in once a year to see all the things SC has not done .... Same as usual, see you next year.
In the game that if a tank or spaceship hits a tree enough times the tree makes them explode no idea house we clear out environment to build anything
Wheeled vehicles are completely idiotic in Star Citizen, same with gangs. Both imply that humans never evolve.
They don’t, and wheeled vehicles will likely continue to exist for as long as humans do. It’s a multi thousand year old invention already…
at the 2 min a 10 for what they showed there and a 5 for what they are... Were are the shops where I can buy food and armor and other things
Shades of SWG crafting with resource quality.
The tedium added was to much for me. I rate them 3/10
Thanks for doing these. I’m not telling players to not play this game. I’m not even telling them they shouldn’t be spending money on it. But every backer or potential backer needs to be aware of CIG’s track record, both past and recent past. They should be informed that what is hyped at CitizenCon rarely if ever comes to complete fruition. To take what is said and shown with a grain of salt.
CR probably liked having a person stand between him and the Public/Backers, so whomever he appoints to direct everything, be it Todd Pappy or whomever it is now, is that person to who all is directed to, and Chris Roberts is left alone to do his thing. Maybe, I don't know.
If I went to a star citizen event I really think I would get very pissed off. Would be polite but on the inside just feel like I’d be boiling. And I’m pretty sure that’s some of the communities starry eyed attitude wouldn’t help. So much hype and BS.
Got to make that "Ohhh Yeah!" a sound bite lol has to happen XD
I haven't had any meaningful progression in the cargo hauling I've done. It's just a pretty long grind to earn enough money to get a bigger ship to go from small to medium missions. Sure, I can do junior and member missions and so on, but I have to deliver to more locations in a given mission. It takes longer.
There is no reason to take a medium mission and take two trips instead of one in my C1. It's far better to take more than one small mission at a time. Even if I had a ship to haul the entire medium mission, the pay is about the same as the medium. I feel the missions were designed around people buying ships off the website. If there were actual reputation rewards I'd have a better reason to keep grinding.
I tried bringing up ship weapons on the cargo elevator and changing them out with the tractor beam. The weapons wouldn't work when I tried to use them.
It would be interesting to see the "realism" version of this - where the presentation shows everything that did actually make it in, and nothing else. With corresponding hype and happiness of course. What would that look like?
It's a frame killer, but has potential.. taking the elevator up to the main lobby to kill the boss was great the first few times but there needs to be alot more to it
For a ship, they felt the need to nerf, they sure show the Corsair a lot.
@33:33 LMFAOOO
Another thing is that technology is advancing fast as cryengine 5 is amazing and every year its not released all the art work they did will seem OLD and weathered and behind the times!
I never thought the CryEngine was the right decision. It is a clunky engine that is more suited to singleplayer games. Even back then they could've used UnrealEngine and built their own engine out of it with better results because of all the updates the engine had gotten over the years. They bet on the wrong horse but will never be able to change the engine after 13 years because the whole project would implode.
Swapping textures and surfaces to high res versions will do wonders for the art. Also, improved lighting and AI voice conversations have a lot of potential to sell the experience to our senses / minds.
@@AlexanderLeister UE in 2012 wasn't a good option either. Hell Let Loose uses UE4 and they still had to rewrite the physics engine/netcode to track projectiles (bullets) and offload audio to a third party system just to keep latency down. That's a 50v50 Battlefield style game and UE4 couldn't handle it out of the box - how exacly would it have handled Star Citizen? CIG would have had to do the same thing they did with CryEngine, which at the time was a superior engine as it already had high fidelity graphics, WYSIWYG features (i.e. "jump ingame" from the editor) and it supported integrated FPS and vehicle action. Unreal Engine has come A LONG way in the same time, there's no doubt about that, but in 2012 it would have had similar trade offs, if not being a worse option.
@@AlexanderLeister Well I dont know about previous version of cryengine but the 5 seems like some really nice graphic capability. but the real point is that even though SC is advanced for its time its now 13 years old!!! and what was NOT possible then may be possible now and other games are certainly going to use it as a standard. SO is SC going to revamp their graphics to keep up and stay ahead and perhaps extend the release another 2-3 years ? This is the delima that the game is perhaps going to face!
@@skewty That's the thing though, CR is knit picking everything so its perfect and in the meantime its taking for ever to get done! This was one of the issues many backers had during kickstarter ( Among feature creep ) to let a designer hold the ropes for development of a game!
pan with music = star citizen trying to get you to open your wallets so they can buy a new house or car, with your money.
Almost every business adventure Chris has been involved in has resulted in legal trouble and/or buyouts.
Everything you see in the presentation. May eventually be ingame by the year 2777
After a 6 year break I have gone back to being full time in Eve Online and having fun. I am no longer willing to pin my gaming life on a game that may never come out or if it does will still be years away. This is one High Admiral that has had enough. Find a game you enjoy and have fun playing it instead of dealing with the frustration of maybe one day it will be a game that Star Citizen will never be. o7 😎👍
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Clicked on your video not to watch but to respond to your title….. so here it is
HERE WE GO AGAIN salty jaded Mike
noone believed the cutlass steel would make it wwith that amount damage being taken. XD
Base shields for protection is perfect for offline raiding prevention,
I was pretty critical of you and Level Cap's enthusiasm for this. Good on you for coming back to this. Love your content and critical eye and also being a big enough dude to admit when you're wrong, and also have a great propensity for being correct. Cheers, homie.
At least he finally some critical voices again from SaltE, but he still sits in the CIG corner. Bad for him if he even doesn't get paid for that position.
Eve is the best example of the High security stuff its great
Investigation missions in those huge complexes are cool, but the gameplay needs more "talk to someone, find someone, find some clues" rather than "walk from hotspot to another".
And while this activity is all going on, you could also have another player do a box delivery and NOT realize all this action was going down, yeah....right
On one hand they were rushing to get a lot of stuff in before 4.0 and the rush made some things end up take longer. On the other hand 4.0 is taking longer. I guess it balanced itself out :D
dont worry, your new doses of hopium is on the way and you all can cry and clap in joy and happiness again xD
I cant wait for contested zones to release and there be absolutely no "rare" and "unique" loot and the enemy's just be the average non reactive bunker
I thought last CitizenCon that by end of this year we would have Squadron42...... the cycle repeats