Jin has been taking anti-anxiety pills since the beginning. There is even a scene where Auggie tells Jin to drink vodka instead of take her anti-anxiety pills.
Nano Fibers would be necessary to build a radiation sail, or a solar sail as also gets proposed for interplanetary travel. Nothing else would be light enough.
@seraeggobutterworth5247 yep. Space el2vstor may be the most significant use for such technology. Earths space programs are doomed to end shortly if we can't build a space elevator.
I think Wade did feel bad. But he's a utilitarian whose very good at compartmentalising his feelings. To him, its all about the survival of humanity. All other consideration are secondary.
@@tsarbombawithinternetconne875 he's not nice. But I don't think the show is leaving his position unchallenged. It's obviously saying it's fucked up and giving voice to other positions. Personally I lean more towards his view, because it was a classic trolley problem, except it wasnt 7 billion to 200..or whatever, but 7 billion plus all future generations. Actually those deaths were a cheap price to pay if you think about it, but more will surely die because you can't kick-start an entire space program asap without deaths, no matter how much money you throw at it. Ultimately though, it's a moral question, Wade represents one side, Auggie and to a lessor extent Jin represents the other side. A good story makes you think.
Agreed, people like him are the ones that do the dirty work that most people can’t. It’s a military mindset where the ultimate outcome is winning or surviving to fight another day. It’s something you see in a lot of science fiction, even Star Trek has their Section 31 who stand in the shadows to do the ugly stuff.
i am 100% convinced, that reading the book before the series, is much better in this case. While the expanse is driven by characters and the world building, 3bp is driven by concepts, mysteries and huge revelations. To live thought these revelations is 100% better with all the info's and background. You can only experience them once for the 1st time. Every single question, you had, was answered in the books :) (I wish i could explain myself better but english is not my 1st language.)
The San-Ti fleet is stuck at the technological level that it was launched at. Once in flight, a fleet can not develop new technology. This is one of the often discussed problems of interstellar warfare by futurist thinkers. So only the San-Ti left on their home planet can continue to advance their technology. But they have a problem, that it is possible, likely even, that they will experience a Chaotic Era, sending their civilization back to the stone age.
That is a good point, they wouldn't have to worry *as much* about a counterattack, because the fleet we'd launch in return would be outdated by the time it got there, unless we could make the trip in less than 400 years. But because of the structure of their solar system they have more reason to fear us more than we fear them because there is no way they are keeping up long term.
It's definitely one of the biggest contributions of these books that they force us to reconsider how geopolitics would work if the scale is light years instead of miles/km.
The ship-propelled-by-nukes idea was actually considered by NASA and DARPA in the fifties and sixties, albeit without the sail (so only a smaller part of the detonations would be converted to propulsion). It was called "Project Orion".
I'm going to push back on everyone saying "Wade is the kind of sociopath the world needs." Sure, that's one interpretation of some of the themes in the books - but it's not the only one, and to me it's deeply superficial and, honestly, a tiny bit fascist/copaganda. I think the books (whether or not the author intended them this way) are also asking us: if fighting back and surviving means losing our values, our moral compass, our very humanity, then is it truly worth it?
Yeah, Westerners are into that sort of fairy tale. It's a bit of arrogant to think Aliens have any concept of co-existing with us. We can barely co-exist with each other. The only reason we're at a shaky state of mostly international global peace is because major super power (USA, China, Russia) countries have nuclear weapons aimed at each other (hehehe).
Jin said Auggie is drinking herself to sleep. She was wrong, Auggie is drinking herself to death.
Auggie is definitely experiencing PTSD over what she did.
In realy fabulous sleepwear. I wish I could vomit looking so fashionable after a bender ;)
Until ep 5 i´ve watched with you, knowing the books i could keep my fomo in check, but after that i binged the rest. I didn´t have enough willpower. 😂
Jin has been taking anti-anxiety pills since the beginning. There is even a scene where Auggie tells Jin to drink vodka instead of take her anti-anxiety pills.
Nano Fibers would be necessary to build a radiation sail, or a solar sail as also gets proposed for interplanetary travel. Nothing else would be light enough.
@seraeggobutterworth5247 yep. Space el2vstor may be the most significant use for such technology. Earths space programs are doomed to end shortly if we can't build a space elevator.
I think Wade did feel bad. But he's a utilitarian whose very good at compartmentalising his feelings. To him, its all about the survival of humanity. All other consideration are secondary.
"The ends justify the means"
He'll slice another 5,000 children if it means saving humanity.
@@tsarbombawithinternetconne875 he's not nice. But I don't think the show is leaving his position unchallenged. It's obviously saying it's fucked up and giving voice to other positions. Personally I lean more towards his view, because it was a classic trolley problem, except it wasnt 7 billion to 200..or whatever, but 7 billion plus all future generations. Actually those deaths were a cheap price to pay if you think about it, but more will surely die because you can't kick-start an entire space program asap without deaths, no matter how much money you throw at it. Ultimately though, it's a moral question, Wade represents one side, Auggie and to a lessor extent Jin represents the other side. A good story makes you think.
Agreed, people like him are the ones that do the dirty work that most people can’t. It’s a military mindset where the ultimate outcome is winning or surviving to fight another day. It’s something you see in a lot of science fiction, even Star Trek has their Section 31 who stand in the shadows to do the ugly stuff.
i am 100% convinced, that reading the book before the series, is much better in this case.
While the expanse is driven by characters and the world building, 3bp is driven by concepts, mysteries and huge revelations. To live thought these revelations is 100% better with all the info's and background. You can only experience them once for the 1st time.
Every single question, you had, was answered in the books :)
(I wish i could explain myself better but english is not my 1st language.)
The San-Ti fleet is stuck at the technological level that it was launched at. Once in flight, a fleet can not develop new technology. This is one of the often discussed problems of interstellar warfare by futurist thinkers. So only the San-Ti left on their home planet can continue to advance their technology. But they have a problem, that it is possible, likely even, that they will experience a Chaotic Era, sending their civilization back to the stone age.
That is a good point, they wouldn't have to worry *as much* about a counterattack, because the fleet we'd launch in return would be outdated by the time it got there, unless we could make the trip in less than 400 years. But because of the structure of their solar system they have more reason to fear us more than we fear them because there is no way they are keeping up long term.
It's definitely one of the biggest contributions of these books that they force us to reconsider how geopolitics would work if the scale is light years instead of miles/km.
The ship-propelled-by-nukes idea was actually considered by NASA and DARPA in the fifties and sixties, albeit without the sail (so only a smaller part of the detonations would be converted to propulsion). It was called "Project Orion".
I'm going to push back on everyone saying "Wade is the kind of sociopath the world needs." Sure, that's one interpretation of some of the themes in the books - but it's not the only one, and to me it's deeply superficial and, honestly, a tiny bit fascist/copaganda. I think the books (whether or not the author intended them this way) are also asking us: if fighting back and surviving means losing our values, our moral compass, our very humanity, then is it truly worth it?
That’s precisely the point. To what limits would you go to save all of humanity? Wade so far doesn’t seem to have that limit.
Isn't that one of the main themes of the story?
Wade did the right thing
"Why not co-exist?" Oh sweet summer child, you have no idea.
If we destroy you, what buissnes is it of yours?
Yeah, Westerners are into that sort of fairy tale. It's a bit of arrogant to think Aliens have any concept of co-existing with us. We can barely co-exist with each other. The only reason we're at a shaky state of mostly international global peace is because major super power (USA, China, Russia) countries have nuclear weapons aimed at each other (hehehe).