Nano fibers can be used for lots of things besides... what they did. Like a space elevator, for example. Holding exteremely heavy weights, Wound dressings, Tissue engineering, Efficient nanofibers biomedical products, Bone regeneration, Drugs, etc.
@addisonratcatcher3287 the nanofibers would be used to create a lattice that the body could deposit calcium onto to regrow bone in a desired way. We already do something akin to this with bone and skin grafts. But the tiny size of these nano-fibers would make them much more precise.
The thing to remember about Auggie is that she is deeply traumitized by what happened on the Judgement Day ship. Remember that several dozens of children (50? 100? 200?) were horrifically slaughtered by what she did. Auggies problem with Raj is that he isn't bothered by what they did. It is 1 thing to say it was necessary on an intellectual level. It is another thing to not be traumatized by the whole sale slaughter of children. To understand her, we need look no further than the 10's of thousands of soldiers that returned from the Iraq/Afghan war who are so traumitized by what they did and saw that they are all but unable to function. PTSD is real, and it is valid.
@@LMarti13 well I think the massacre of babies and children, men and women in Gaza is traumatising. So does our government who will intervene in South Africa’s genocide case against Israel.
@@Assassin21BEKA yeah. Arms for Israel, Hamas, Russia, Ukraine etc. Vast amounts of money spent. I always wonder what would happen if they spent that money building solar farms or reclaiming deserts.
Yeah in the book it just felt really corny: we have had "buy a star" scams for a long time and in this story it's really fundamentally no different so it felt kindof corny. But the pitch in this show made it feel a little different. Maybe it was the exact pitch, or it was the marketing and prestige of it being pushed and supported by international governments. Instead of your money going to some straight up grifters, it's at least ostensibly going to the war effort. And so there's some actual prestige and value in having that title as essentially a testament to how much was donated to the effort. Whereas right now anyone who goes and buys a star title, or a 1cm square of Scotland for a phony title or whatever, just is outing themselves as a clueless mark.
Auggie is suffering from PTSD. Can’t blame her. She goes from a normal life to witnessing and participating in the killing of a thousand people, including children. Wade should have made sure she was getting professional help
Yeah she should have not even really had to be involved once things were setup. It's like bringing an aerospace engineer who works on a new drone into the control room to watch them blow up some house overseas in real time. Unless those contractors are totally on board with being there, no reason to have them part of it.
That's Augie, while the whole species is at stake, she is worried about her broken finger nail and just jumps ship. I really dislike this character, so self entitled, it's all about her feelings, let the world burn, she is traumatized.
@@voiceover2191 not everyone can participate in killing children and just go to sleep that night as if it’s just another normal day. It’s called having emotions, being human
Auggie's main idea of use for the nanofibers were to be used for civilian welfare. Nano-fibers filters could be used to target viruses and micro bacteria more efficiently compared to conventional filters to clean potable water. There are also applications in basic construction and construction of space ships and structures, which is why the San Ti wanted her stop working. While I think she was aware of the military applications, my guess is seeing the remains of children brought the reality too close to home for her. Her animosity to Raj and Wade is unwarranted, but a common mechanism towards guilt and trauma. The brain thinks it's better to externalize negative emotions and blame others than to internalize them and blame oneself.
In terms of San Ti "not lying" it's desribed in the books that their type of "communication" isn't sound based or have fore-thought like us. The San Ti evolved as a species that would immediately display or "communicate" every thought they had - maybe through bioluminescence (light) or bioradiology (radiowaves), in this way the San Ti are kind of hive mind intelligence that have collective ingenuity and no private thoughts. The San Ti are kind of opposite to us where their communication is instaneous and they always go with collective thinking, whereas humans can think before they speak (to lie or embelish things) and we can be more individualistic with our thinking. In the books, the character that is similar to Will gets sent off to meet the first San Ti fleet - through Will the San Ti study all facets of human biology, psychology and communication - where they finally grasp the concept of lying and use it against us. However luckily for humans, Saul's parallel character in the books learns from his conversations with Ye Winjie to create a language of stories that hides truths and meanings within the tales - which is more comprehensibleto humans and less comprehensive to the San Ti, even with their research on Will. As a sidenote: I think Auggie is just struggling with working for wade because she has trouble getting over the aspect of killing and maiming people to achieve our survival as a species - whether that's hurting human worshippers of the San Ti or directly sending arsenals to attack the San Ti. I think it's just shows her humanity because I think most people would still struggle with killing hundreds or thousands of other conscious beings for survival. Moreover, I think Auggie is pressed because many scientists on the Panam project she did weren't fully informed on who they're killing and how many people they were killing. If Wade was more explicit and gave the scientists to formally consent to everyhting then I think there would be less issues.
that's not entirely absolute - the san-ti do have some degree of independence and individual identity and it's shown that some of them are offended at the idea of conquering humanity and would prefer to negotiate/co-exist even after the overall shift in strategy.
All the comments in reference to the book being more in depth gave me chills, the story is already so powerful! My family is niw getting the trilogy and I'm going to get to read them all too!! I'm beyond excited... 🎉🎉🎉
The four hundred year comment is on point! I think if I know we’ll be doomed in four hundred years, I’ll panic for a few days, and get back to myself to enjoy as much as I can! Put it in perspective, four hundred years ago we were still burning candles or something.
@@Chibbykins even less worried than about aliens. That can be fixed with a few cheap sheets of material in heliostatic orbit if it gets too hot. Even cheaper if it can be made of ore into aluminum foil on the moon and launched with a railgun from the surface.
Dat dont' matter though, if I know some big ass alien fleet with godlike power be coming... I'm getting my shit in order. Toilet papers, all the toilet papers..
Even if the enemy doesn't get here for 400 years who knows what other people will do in that time...definitely gonna start collecting bullets and canned food. I'm planning for warlords and outlaws at the very least.
The Author believes the achievement in basic physics, like scientists do in the particle accelerator, is the key to defend humanity. That's why Santi targets on these physicists. So the nano fiber doesn't matter anymore. Just a thought.
Auggie's emotion, opinion,and reason is valid. Who could've imagine how traumatic it is to use your whole life's work for something inhumane like that. She also think like it's not her problem anymore as the invasion is 400 years away. She and her known loved ones would be long dead by then.
I think Auggie shares the same perspective as Will does regarding his cancer: It's useless to fight, so we should just make the most of the time we have left. I don't necessarily agree with her, but to be fair she does seem interested in helping people right *now*, so she's not a complete hypocrite.
The thing about Auggie that I like, is that everyone goes straight to thinking about the big picture, someone needs to think about the now. People like Wade don’t care about people, they care about legacy, and to them the end will always justify the means. How much sacrifice should we make now, for the future? How many eggs are we willing to break to make this cosmic omelette. There needs to be a balance between seeing the big picture and seeing the importance of individual lives right now. I don’t necessarily agree with Auggie 100% but it is important for someone to push back.
@@jon_odinson You do realize if we don't think about the big picture, the whole species will be exterminated? Better to think about the now? Think again, unless you want to give up or you want other people to do the big picture thinking for you? What do you want to do, sit in a circle, song Kumbaya and hope the aliens may change their minds about destroying us? Willing to risk humanity to have creature comforts right now?
@@voiceover2191 It's convenient to have a greater good argument to justify manipulating and using everyone around you like Wade does. Even if it was the right call, I think Auggie has a right to be disgusted by her invention being turned into a weapon of mass slaughter. Big picture thinking is how some of the biggest historical atrocities have unfolded.
@@jon_odinson I agree, it's something that's touched on in book 3 and I like that they're setting it up now. Is it worth saving humanity if we damn ourselves in the process? At what point are we no longer the people we once thought ourselves as, when do we lose the moral high ground? The books are dense but they dwell so heavily on the philosphical, the sociological, and the political facets of such an event, not just the technological or tactical.
27:47 totally agree. I feel like we’re supposed to be vilifying Wade and Raj while empathizing and agreeing with Auggie but I just find her incredibly annoying and self centered. Yes what happened was horrific and I would have a hella hard time with getting over it too. However this is literally the entirety of the world and every single person in it that’s at stake. Get over yourself and see the big picture.
I don't think we're supposed to side with Auggie here. We're supposed to see both perspectives and finding realistic flaws in how both sides see the situation. Wade and Co are the pragmatic if somewhat numb realists, and we are supposed to see Auggie to be the frustrated and traumatized idealist who took part in the very sort of thing she likely spent her whole youth rallying against. I think she went in knowing it was going to be a bad thing but if the enemy was a bunch of crazed cultists who killed her friend, it was something she could at least stomach. When it turns out they're only a few people and the rest are all their families, well, yeah I'd be pissed too. I'd be able to justify it but would probably feel like shit forever.
@@calvintyler9281 because the bourgeois media cannot have anything actually be solved in their stories, so they invent people who will actually do what it takes to have real progressive change but make them bomb an orphanage so the audience don't think they're the good guys
Considering the economical influence that news could give, I'd say all the public response is legit. Government will put tons of money in space project, just imagine the next day you found out the tax rate have doubled....
Exactly, in this episode Wade seemed very optimistic about his project but I dont think it will work out against an advanced alien civilization, they'll surely find a way to deceive the "space" treat.
Nano fibers can be used for lots of things besides... what they did. Like a space elevator, for example. Holding exteremely heavy weights, Wound dressings, Tissue engineering, Efficient nanofibers biomedical products, Bone regeneration, Drugs, etc.
The space elevator will be a big one as far as planetary defense is concerned. It's really the only feasible way to get men and materials up to space.
And yet humanity still found a way to make a weapon out of it
Smh
@@Syntell sounds like you're on the aliens' side ;)
Bone regeneration?
@addisonratcatcher3287 the nanofibers would be used to create a lattice that the body could deposit calcium onto to regrow bone in a desired way. We already do something akin to this with bone and skin grafts. But the tiny size of these nano-fibers would make them much more precise.
The thing to remember about Auggie is that she is deeply traumitized by what happened on the Judgement Day ship. Remember that several dozens of children (50? 100? 200?) were horrifically slaughtered by what she did.
Auggies problem with Raj is that he isn't bothered by what they did. It is 1 thing to say it was necessary on an intellectual level. It is another thing to not be traumatized by the whole sale slaughter of children.
To understand her, we need look no further than the 10's of thousands of soldiers that returned from the Iraq/Afghan war who are so traumitized by what they did and saw that they are all but unable to function. PTSD is real, and it is valid.
yeah it's wild how many people don't understand Auggie, scary even
@@LMarti13 well I think the massacre of babies and children, men and women in Gaza is traumatising. So does our government who will intervene in South Africa’s genocide case against Israel.
@@fmcm7715 government doesn't care about it. Government cares about money and resources they can get from it.
@@Assassin21BEKA yeah. Arms for Israel, Hamas, Russia, Ukraine etc. Vast amounts of money spent. I always wonder what would happen if they spent that money building solar farms or reclaiming deserts.
The buying stars thing is basically a modern version of War Bonds, which helped fund America's WW2 effort.
Yeah in the book it just felt really corny: we have had "buy a star" scams for a long time and in this story it's really fundamentally no different so it felt kindof corny. But the pitch in this show made it feel a little different. Maybe it was the exact pitch, or it was the marketing and prestige of it being pushed and supported by international governments. Instead of your money going to some straight up grifters, it's at least ostensibly going to the war effort. And so there's some actual prestige and value in having that title as essentially a testament to how much was donated to the effort. Whereas right now anyone who goes and buys a star title, or a 1cm square of Scotland for a phony title or whatever, just is outing themselves as a clueless mark.
The ending scene destroyed me. So emotional.
This show lets me feels all kinds of stuff, i didnt while reading the books. Great character work!
They did such a good job with Tianming's story!
The song choice is perfect.
Auggie is suffering from PTSD. Can’t blame her. She goes from a normal life to witnessing and participating in the killing of a thousand people, including children. Wade should have made sure she was getting professional help
I can see that
Yeah she should have not even really had to be involved once things were setup. It's like bringing an aerospace engineer who works on a new drone into the control room to watch them blow up some house overseas in real time. Unless those contractors are totally on board with being there, no reason to have them part of it.
not really Wade's bag. I agree to an extent, but I think Wade has his head on right.
That's Augie, while the whole species is at stake, she is worried about her broken finger nail and just jumps ship. I really dislike this character, so self entitled, it's all about her feelings, let the world burn, she is traumatized.
@@voiceover2191 not everyone can participate in killing children and just go to sleep that night as if it’s just another normal day. It’s called having emotions, being human
Auggie's main idea of use for the nanofibers were to be used for civilian welfare. Nano-fibers filters could be used to target viruses and micro bacteria more efficiently compared to conventional filters to clean potable water. There are also applications in basic construction and construction of space ships and structures, which is why the San Ti wanted her stop working. While I think she was aware of the military applications, my guess is seeing the remains of children brought the reality too close to home for her. Her animosity to Raj and Wade is unwarranted, but a common mechanism towards guilt and trauma. The brain thinks it's better to externalize negative emotions and blame others than to internalize them and blame oneself.
Great explanation
This is the kind of show that keeps you thinking after you watched an episode.
In terms of San Ti "not lying" it's desribed in the books that their type of "communication" isn't sound based or have fore-thought like us. The San Ti evolved as a species that would immediately display or "communicate" every thought they had - maybe through bioluminescence (light) or bioradiology (radiowaves), in this way the San Ti are kind of hive mind intelligence that have collective ingenuity and no private thoughts. The San Ti are kind of opposite to us where their communication is instaneous and they always go with collective thinking, whereas humans can think before they speak (to lie or embelish things) and we can be more individualistic with our thinking. In the books, the character that is similar to Will gets sent off to meet the first San Ti fleet - through Will the San Ti study all facets of human biology, psychology and communication - where they finally grasp the concept of lying and use it against us. However luckily for humans, Saul's parallel character in the books learns from his conversations with Ye Winjie to create a language of stories that hides truths and meanings within the tales - which is more comprehensibleto humans and less comprehensive to the San Ti, even with their research on Will.
As a sidenote: I think Auggie is just struggling with working for wade because she has trouble getting over the aspect of killing and maiming people to achieve our survival as a species - whether that's hurting human worshippers of the San Ti or directly sending arsenals to attack the San Ti. I think it's just shows her humanity because I think most people would still struggle with killing hundreds or thousands of other conscious beings for survival. Moreover, I think Auggie is pressed because many scientists on the Panam project she did weren't fully informed on who they're killing and how many people they were killing. If Wade was more explicit and gave the scientists to formally consent to everyhting then I think there would be less issues.
that's not entirely absolute - the san-ti do have some degree of independence and individual identity and it's shown that some of them are offended at the idea of conquering humanity and would prefer to negotiate/co-exist even after the overall shift in strategy.
the first san-ti obviously has independence ，he said "don't answer"
nice just spoil the entirety of the next season
Really enjoying this convo!!! TY!!!!
I wasn't familiar with the actress who plays Auggie until I looked it up on IMDB. She has an impressive acting resume. 😉
Definitely saw Auggie before.
She has a great and short scene in Mr. and Mrs. Smith.
@@Syntell I was sad she wasn't in more of that show TBH.
eiza gonzales, and she was amazing as satanico pandemonium in the tv show From Dust Till Dawn.
Eiza Gonzalez was also in I Care A Lot in a very meaty role. Also she is a legit snack. All-World.
All the comments in reference to the book being more in depth gave me chills, the story is already so powerful! My family is niw getting the trilogy and I'm going to get to read them all too!! I'm beyond excited... 🎉🎉🎉
The four hundred year comment is on point! I think if I know we’ll be doomed in four hundred years, I’ll panic for a few days, and get back to myself to enjoy as much as I can! Put it in perspective, four hundred years ago we were still burning candles or something.
You, your kids, your grandkids, your great grandkids a quiet a few more generations of happiness to be had and maybe things won’t turn out bad then 🤷
how do you feel about climate change?
@@Chibbykins even less worried than about aliens. That can be fixed with a few cheap sheets of material in heliostatic orbit if it gets too hot. Even cheaper if it can be made of ore into aluminum foil on the moon and launched with a railgun from the surface.
It really puts global warming into perspective.
@@Syntell ok
Dat dont' matter though, if I know some big ass alien fleet with godlike power be coming... I'm getting my shit in order. Toilet papers, all the toilet papers..
Even if the enemy doesn't get here for 400 years who knows what other people will do in that time...definitely gonna start collecting bullets and canned food. I'm planning for warlords and outlaws at the very least.
@@cthulhuwu_You got the right idea, can’t wait for season 2 😬
Maybe some nabo-fiber toilet paper for the end times, if needed! 😁
😂🤣
21:40 maybe it wouldnt be chaotic. I remember 911 where the nation became united towards a common enemy...
You posted a video - I dropped everything to watch.
And just like that you’re on my Christmas list 🥰
@@Syntell Yeah!!! Love your channel and you have a great comments section, too!
The Author believes the achievement in basic physics, like scientists do in the particle accelerator, is the key to defend humanity. That's why Santi targets on these physicists. So the nano fiber doesn't matter anymore. Just a thought.
I can see that.
Auggie's emotion, opinion,and reason is valid. Who could've imagine how traumatic it is to use your whole life's work for something inhumane like that. She also think like it's not her problem anymore as the invasion is 400 years away. She and her known loved ones would be long dead by then.
Episode 5 was the climax of the first book. That's why it slows down here.
Ahhhh ok.
Nano fiber first test was strength? she cut a diamond with them.
I think Auggie shares the same perspective as Will does regarding his cancer: It's useless to fight, so we should just make the most of the time we have left. I don't necessarily agree with her, but to be fair she does seem interested in helping people right *now*, so she's not a complete hypocrite.
The thing about Auggie that I like, is that everyone goes straight to thinking about the big picture, someone needs to think about the now. People like Wade don’t care about people, they care about legacy, and to them the end will always justify the means. How much sacrifice should we make now, for the future? How many eggs are we willing to break to make this cosmic omelette. There needs to be a balance between seeing the big picture and seeing the importance of individual lives right now. I don’t necessarily agree with Auggie 100% but it is important for someone to push back.
@@jon_odinson You do realize if we don't think about the big picture, the whole species will be exterminated? Better to think about the now? Think again, unless you want to give up or you want other people to do the big picture thinking for you? What do you want to do, sit in a circle, song Kumbaya and hope the aliens may change their minds about destroying us? Willing to risk humanity to have creature comforts right now?
@@voiceover2191 It's convenient to have a greater good argument to justify manipulating and using everyone around you like Wade does. Even if it was the right call, I think Auggie has a right to be disgusted by her invention being turned into a weapon of mass slaughter. Big picture thinking is how some of the biggest historical atrocities have unfolded.
@@jon_odinson I agree, it's something that's touched on in book 3 and I like that they're setting it up now. Is it worth saving humanity if we damn ourselves in the process? At what point are we no longer the people we once thought ourselves as, when do we lose the moral high ground? The books are dense but they dwell so heavily on the philosphical, the sociological, and the political facets of such an event, not just the technological or tactical.
@@cthulhuwu_ they also touched on that point al the way back in book 2 with The Great Ravine and the Battle of Darkness. I can’t wait for season 2!!!
Only my man Thomas Wade understand the importance of the term "Urgency of time" - even when is a 400 y.o. in the making 👈
this episode turns me into a giant tear puddle
I couldn't help but think he's arrived at Solyent Green just as EGR did all those years ago.
27:47 totally agree. I feel like we’re supposed to be vilifying Wade and Raj while empathizing and agreeing with Auggie but I just find her incredibly annoying and self centered. Yes what happened was horrific and I would have a hella hard time with getting over it too. However this is literally the entirety of the world and every single person in it that’s at stake. Get over yourself and see the big picture.
I don't think we're supposed to side with Auggie here. We're supposed to see both perspectives and finding realistic flaws in how both sides see the situation. Wade and Co are the pragmatic if somewhat numb realists, and we are supposed to see Auggie to be the frustrated and traumatized idealist who took part in the very sort of thing she likely spent her whole youth rallying against.
I think she went in knowing it was going to be a bad thing but if the enemy was a bunch of crazed cultists who killed her friend, it was something she could at least stomach. When it turns out they're only a few people and the rest are all their families, well, yeah I'd be pissed too. I'd be able to justify it but would probably feel like shit forever.
"Get over yourself the big picture." You literally sound like a super villain.
@@calvintyler9281 because the bourgeois media cannot have anything actually be solved in their stories, so they invent people who will actually do what it takes to have real progressive change but make them bomb an orphanage so the audience don't think they're the good guys
Exactly. Life goes on. 😉
until it doesnt ;)
It doesnt.
Yeah, screw future generations, not my problem. lol
syntell... you da best man.
Mount Hatemore 😂
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😉😉
Considering the economical influence that news could give, I'd say all the public response is legit.
Government will put tons of money in space project, just imagine the next day you found out the tax rate have doubled....
Just because they don't lie, doesn't mean they can't decieve and manipulate.
they showed us that they do.
Exactly, in this episode Wade seemed very optimistic about his project but I dont think it will work out against an advanced alien civilization, they'll surely find a way to deceive the "space" treat.