@5:47 - The pale ghoul with dark hair In the episode where she meets Snip-Snip she tells the two guys to let the Ghouls go. One of the ghouls stop to say "Thank you" to her. That was the dark-haired pale ghoul. So he (she?) remembers her as the one who let him and the others go free.
Also Muldaver says her company was bought out by Vault Tec, and she was working within the company because she felt that it was the only way to “beat the bad guys.” I think it is assumed that as a major player in/ scientist for Vault Tec, she was also cryogenically frozen. But what her reasons for being woken up and how she left her vault is unanswered
"War... War never changes.." Is the Fallout version of "The Wheel of Time turns, and ages come and pass..." It is part of every Fallout cinematic so them saying that line was like hearing Moiraine say the lines about "no beginnings to the Wheel of Time" at the end of S1 Ep1!
I got chills just now from reading that line. BrrrrrrRrrr The only way it could have been better is if Ron Perlman had said it. (He narrated the game Intro cinematics.)
11:20 - The secretary Not sure if you piked up on it, still just watching the reaction and typing as I think of things, but that's Betty who mentioned that Hank was a huge fan. Betty who is now the Overseer of Lucy's Vault!
@5:40 I think that Ghul that recognized her was one of the Ghuls she liberated in episode 4 Edit: The city in the end was New Vegas (aka Las Vegas), the location of one of the games. The tower is from the Lucky 38 casino I also think Moldaver wasn't able to make this cold fusion again because a lot of the equipment doesn't exists anymore.
"The other organisation (Enclave) and Brotherhood are enemies, and while Enclave issued a bounty for Wilzig, Brotherhood intercepetd the intel and went for it, for themselves.
19:10 - "It's easier to track a struck pig" Reminds me very much of Ishamael's line about "A dead Aes Sedai is useless. Desperation opens the mind to move.. Interesting choices.." and Lanfear's line about "A Broken Amyrlin is of more use to me than a dead one"
I’m loving your WoT-Fallout parallels! If you haven’t caught it yet, The Road To Tar Valon Podcast has teamed up with Kevin Angus to talk about the episodes.
Muldaver was definitely not a ghoul, FYI. Dane didn't lie about Maximus killing Muldaver, they saw Maximus standing next to the body and made an incorrect assumption. There are plenty of stories about people shooting themselves in the foot and things like that to avoid being drafted in the real world, it doesn't seem like too much of a stretch that Dane would do something analogous in the show.
17:15 - "You telling me the armor don't have nightvision?" That's a bit of an issue with this scene as yes, the Power Armors do have flashlights. When you've seen Maximus and others open the front of the helmet they move aside a little arm first. That's the headlight! When you play the game the Pip-boy acts as a flashlight (as we saw Norman and Chet use it when they snuk into Vault 32 and found all the skeletons) but if you are running around in a Power Armor the Pip-boy is not really accessible so the suits have a headlight. They could have turned those on to help them see but I guess it's "Rule of Cool" and having those rays of light move around could make things a bit too confusing and disorienting for the viewers.
So I don't think Moldaver was a ghoul, she might have survived like Bud's Buds through cryogenic suspension. As for the ideas for Vaults that were brought up in the show, those are all in the games. Though I don't think there was one where an AI ran it directly, it just chose the Overseer. Though it didn't want to lose any power so it kept creating crises. And in the games, it is a mystery who started the Great War but Vault Tec was one of the suspects. And yeah, it is cartoonishly evil, but Pre-War society was very much falling apart in part thanks to people like that running the country.
@@pemryjanes5789 Moldaver literally tells Cooper howard in one of the lashback that Vault Tec suddenly bought up all her companies (in stocks I geuess)
After watching the show..I have been watching reaction vids..it seems that no one has come to the same conclusion that Rose and Moldava?..became lovers..hmmm..am I reading too much into Hank's Hate of them?..that's why she kept Lucy's mom with her
Eu acho que a Rose ter se apaixonado pela Moldaver pode ter sido um dos motivos do Hank ter destruído a cidade (acho que é possível até que seja o principal motivo pra ele), mas ele teria que destruir Shady Sands de qualquer forma, porque, pelo que eu entendi, essa era a missão que a Vault deu a ele e as outras pessoas do passado: não deixar a sociedade voltar.
That’s how I read it too. Making Hank into the vengeful scorned ex husband that uses policy as an excuse to destroy the city makes him even more terrifying.
Wilzig, the guy with the glasses, is not part of the Brotherhood. He is part of another faction that you have not really encountered yet (one of their bases is probably the big apartment complex where we see them breed the dogs in start of Ep2). I guess he was not really a fan of them and instead allied himself with Moldaver. Don't know if you want possible Season2 Spoilers so, adding rows! . . . . . . So he is most likely part of the Enclave, which is a faction consisting of the previous governemnt. When playing Fallout 2 you hear about "the Oil rig" which turns out to be an actual oil rig far out into the ocean. You end up there and find out that it is occupied by the actual President of the US (as far as a US still exists) and as they were informed about the bombs dropping they were able to pre-evacuate. In the opening of Ep1 you can hear the news mention that the President is missing, or rather no one knows where they are. This tells me that the President knew about what was happening and had already evacuated, along with a group of Enclave soldiers in more advanced Power Armors. The Enclave was also responsible for creating a particularly nasty creature that was mentioned during their meeting and that I think we saw a glimps of during the Ep2 opening.
@@RocketSurgn_ Ahhh I must have missed when they mentioned the faction! Trying my best to stay as vague as I can to avoid spoilers so I play it safe! =D
I should probably explain that there are many, *many* esoteric methods of attaining immortality in the Fallout franchise: becoming a ghoul is only one of them. However, I should probably note that almost all of those methods are extremely undesirable. Just look at Bud.
Like they said in the previous episode the brotherhood is a complicated organization in some games they're selfish isolationists and others they're the good guys and in some they're the bad guys
make another cold fusion Seed" in the wasteland. yeah, no . They simply do not have the equipment needed to begin building that. I don't think the Enclave created it. It was labeled vault tech, so I guess they found it.
To your question about how Moldaver is alive, there are other ways than ghoulification to extend life in Fallout. One way being the pods we saw in vault 31. I think it’s possible someone woke up Moldaver from a pod sometime before Shady Sands was bombed. There is another way she could still be here too, but it’s not been introduced yet so I won’t get into it!
I am a fan of one of the other ways, the one from Fallout 4 scientist types. It makes a lot of sense to me that Moldaver could have been associated with them.
The logic of starting a nuclear war themselves… I think really comes down to the part of the Fallout world that is pretty dark/intense satire of corporate greed and shortsightedness. Think Doctor Strangelove, something like it doesn’t make sense because it’s not supposed to because the whole system reinforces short sighted greed/self interest/fear with a dash of arrogance and creates the bad in people. It drives them to think insane decisions are the best ones.
24:07 "So I get why they divorced" - I thought this was going to be followed up with 'because faulty logic is unacceptable in a partner'. I was glad that instead you connected it to the whole starting-the-nuclear-apocalypse thing.
@@crimson6666spoilers . . . if she had access to cryo, she could have preserved herself in order to wait out the radiation fallout and to rebuild the technology to help the people of the future. How does that make her a hypocrite?
@@rapunzl347 Also, in person to pre-war Cooper she pretty much said she thinks being a hypocrite is necessary, so that doesn’t really go against any theories.
I don’t think there was a Cold War prior to the bombs dropping. There was a long period of prosperity due to atomic energy, followed by scarcity (of pretty much everything) and the Resource Wars (that lasted about 10 years). It was a very hot war. The Operation Anchorage DLC for Fallout 3 is the only time we actually see the war. The Ghoul mentioned that he fought in Alaska, referring to that campaign.
The hacking mechanics from the game were a cool inclusion for me, as I enjoyed those puzzles. There's a lot of great little fan-service moments like that, but I agree that they are mostly either well-explained or missable without detracting from the story. Or maybe it is distracting. Kinda like the pip-boy thing...they walk a fine line between "let the video game nerds have what they want" and "explain the vocabulary and mechanics of the world to first-timers." I might be mistaken, but I think one of the ghouls in town was one Lucy rescued at the Super Duper Mart. Just a little side-consequence of a role-playing choice a character might make.
Woop! Now that you have seen the full show I can say everything without Spoilers! But, well, the ending of the meeting between all the coproprations: Long thesis below! . . . . . So yes, when you in other reactions mentioned that you thought all Vaults had a Theme. That is very true. But the themes were more about social experiments. Some of the wierd ideas they mentioned at the meeting are real Vaults (well, it's a computer game so not Real-Real but..). * Vault 69 was 1 male and 999 females, while Vault 68 was 999 males and one female. I guess to test inbreeding but.. Could also have been for shits and giggles.. * One Vault would only serve thin gruel as food to see how important it was to maintain "real" food or if they could save on that. * One Vault was designed so that everything could constantly break down and need constant repairs. How would that impact the stress-levels of the people knowing at any time things could break and you'd die? * One Vault the door never really closed properly, so a small amount of radiation kept leeking inside. This slow exposure to Radiation didn't kill the inhabitants but instead turned them into Ghouls. * One Vault the Overseer was specifically selected because they had a rare disease that would cause their death in a few years, so suddenly the Vault dwellers would have to find a new leader and how would a very diverse groups of people decide on a new leader? Would everyone accept the new leader? * One Vault was a VR Vault where people would be put in pods and their consciousness streamed into a VR world, very much reminding of The Matrix. Problem was that the leader of the Vault was Dr. Stanislaus Braun who was, shall we say, a bit of a Sadist. He was conscious about everything in the VR and in full control while the regular inhabitants and other Vault Dwellers were unaware that they were even in a VR, very much like The Matrix. The Doctor grew bored and started to do experiments, even outright executing people in the VR but as the bodies remained alive in their pods he could just wipe their memories and restart the world. Eventually he'd create a new world in the VR and keep using the other people as playthings. * One Vault was built under a school with the promise that the familes of the students would get preferential access (instead of paying ungodly amounts of money). When the bombs dropped and all the families rushed inside the kids were taken to a room to play while the parents were taken to an orientation lecture and summarily executed. The kids were then used as breeding stock to breed a form of super-human with amazing strength and endurance. Daily workout, push the kids to extreme, some died during training, and when they turned 18 they "graduated" and their DNA was extracted for further development while the kid itself was either released to the surface or just incinerated. * Another Vault was all about rehabilitation with people suffering from alcohol or substance abuse. They'd have to go full cold turkey with the Vault doors closed and no access to substances. The management would help by having meetings, support, therapy, even a machine that would help to clean a person's blood from the toxins left as substances degraded (even in our world we sedate the hardcore alcoholics as they detox because it is a seriously painful experience). Vault-tec had planted a mole among the population, if I recall correctly not even the Overseer knew, and after 5 years the mole would open a secret cache full of alcohol and the substances that the addicts had been trying to be free from. Some remained sober, others relapsed fast, and as the stock was limited there was violence. When the player enters we can see skeletons everywhere, walls ruined and electrical wiring all over, tables flipped over as defenses, etc. Things did NOT end well.. * Another Vault was full of amazing musicians and singers. They had a real Stradivarius as part of their inventory and with rooms to practice and create, write and record symphonies. The story is told through the diary of a 16yo girl who loved music and was amazed they let her in since she was just a newbie. She talks about how kind the musicians are and how they teach her cool things! But as you read you realize she make more and more typos. Eventually it is full words missing and close to unreadable. She descibes people going insane and violent and how one person had to be shot multiple times before finally killed. Turns out they were testing subliminal messages via static background noise in the hopes that they could create a super-soldier free of morals and wiling to kill (since we know that soldiers in general tend to not want to shoot to kill).. * Another Vault, Vault 11, was somehow even worse.. As the doors closed their Vault computer told them that they had to sacrifice one person each year or it would shut down life support. The population decided to go by democratic vote and the first to die was the Overseer who had known about all of this long in advance. So each year they'd elect a new Overseer who would rule the Vault but then end up having to go down into the basement and killed by the machine. Inevitable some factions formed where members promised not to vote on each other. One faction became very dominant and who they decided to vote for would pretty much become the new Overseer. One time the husband of a woman won against the large faction in poker and so they threatened to vote him as Overseer. His wife pleaded with the leader of the major faction to let him be and they said that if she performed.. adult activities with them.. they would spare him. She agreed. However, they still voted for her husband, he became Overseer and was eventually sent to die. During the year the leaders of the major faction would strangley dissapear or be found dead. Turns out this wife had been going around killing those who had voted for her husband. She knew that if she was a monster, it would be easier for the others to vote for her. No reason to feel bad to elect a murderer to be executed. So she was elected Overseer and as her first action she decided that there would be no further elections but instead all new Overseers would be elected by telling the computer to choose one at random. This ment that the major factions suddenly had no power anymore which they did not like. They hoarded weapons and started a coup, shooting people and trying to take over to save themselves. As the player first enters the Vault we find a holotape, an audio recording of the five people who survived. When they were so few remaining they just decided to end things together by not sacrificing someone. Instead of shutting off life support the computer instead congratulated them on their outstanding morale and humanitarianism, that they stood up for humanity instead of performing human sacrifices! The computer then unlocked the Vault door and everyone could leave if they so desired. So there those five stood and we hear on the recording how they talk about how they are so deeply ashamed and that no one should know what had been going on.. But in the end we hear 4 gunshots and a sigh as one person drops a weapon to the ground. It is fully possible that one person remained alive and left the Vault but we don't know who or where that person is now.. The Original creator of the first Fallout game described in a video on his TH-cam channel that their first reasoning was that all Vaults would be tests that could help the remains of the government survive in space. So they tested prolonged radiation exposure on humans (when in the spacecraft and while on a new planet without the protection that Earth gives against solar radiation), how population and genetic defects would work when breeding with a very limited population, how population would behave with only access to gruel and no "real" food, as well as with limtied forms of entertainment, how a population would work if isolated for hundreds of years to test generational ships. They did tests on plants and animals, etc. During the development of the games, when Bethesda took over, they elaborated it a bit but a spark of it has still been there and all the old Vaults mentioned in earlier games are still canon. There's supposed to be a total of 122 Vaults. Some of them have been in games, some have been in comics, some have now been in the show. But still lots that we haven't really heard about. If you are OK with made-up stories about human depravity, I'd suggest looking into some of the "Vaults Explained" or "List of Vault Experiments" videos out there. If you want we can scout out some good videos for you!
Fallout’s Vault stories are just on another level. Oxhorn is my favorite source for Fallout Lore. He puts together the pieces and clues in such an engaging way.
@@rapunzl347 Yeh I love Oxhorns videos on the Vaults! He has a really perfect voice do thta type of story! My only reason to not instantly recommend his videos on each Vault is that they are complete playthroughs meaning he explore every nook and cranny to show where there are Bobbleheads, cool weapons, ammo and other InGame goddies. If he mostly just showed the storytelling and the rooms and terminals that tell the story I'd recommend things in a heartbeat! I posted a comment to him asking if he'd consider it but he probably get loads of messages so my post is probably lost to the general murmur =/
@@rapunzl347 TH-cam recently recommended another reactor reacting to Oxhorn's Vault 11 video and re-watching it there's actually not a lot of "filler"! So yeh if Lezbi wants to I think his videos on the Vaults could actually be really interesting and give a newbie a look into the world of Fallout! Will be minimal spoilrs as well as it's all from the games and have been out for years, plus the show's story is new but relates to previous events so can't really spoil the show!
the vault tec people thought that if they wiped everyone out but "THEM" there would finally be peace. not realizing that if you have more than one person no matter how alike they will fight eventually. so even if they wipe out all "other" wars will still eventually happen. Muldaver had a non ghoul no ageing tech. but not invulnerable.
And even the internal information in Fallout is contradictory, in ways that are fully lore appropriate (the sources aren’t exactly trustworthy, not sure any source really could be). Though I tend to think we can almost rule out it being directly the Enclave or Vault Tec, since neither had their plans fully ready before things happened. Or at least I’m guessing the daughter would’ve been somewhere safe if VaultTec planned it and I’m pretty sure I remember Fallout 1 or 2 lore from computer logs or something that the Enclave were didn’t manage to finish preparations either.
Moldaver isn't a ghoul. She was in a Cryotube like Buds buds. At least, that is what I'm assuming. At the level of wealth that Vault Tec got to money becomes virtually meaningless, really. It's just a play to take over the world.
There is also the homophobic angle. Rose leaves vault 33. Meets Lee. They raise Lucy and Norm together. Hank finds them, has a bit of a tantrum and murders everyone in Shady Sands.
Oh, non spoiler @Lezbi Nerdy. Being a ghoul makes you damn near immortal, but it doesn't make you invulnerable (yes, I know about Thaddeus, but I have a slightly different theory on him that is spoiler territory).
16:25 - Why did Hank bomb the city? It could very well be that he was just "following orders" by Bud in that roomba, or he genuinly think humanity can live forever in the Vaults until all human life on the surface is gone, then return up and it will be a perfect world because there will be only the Vault-Tec people. A perfect monopoly on existence. So he dropped a bomb again to help speed things up. But I've also seen other reactors reflect on how close Lucy's mother and Mlodaver is. In the flashbacks they smile at each other and looks very much like an idealized Hollywood-trope lesbian couple. Maybe I'm reading too much into it but it is possible that Hank really thought that his wife had left him for a woman, which made him feel betrayed and extra vindictive. Not neccesarily because of the bi/lesbian relation but the fact that his wife left him and took the kids. There're enough stories about men in our real world who go bananas when they lose their family so it could be possible that it was a mix of "scorned husband" coupled with how he geuinely think they can outlast humanity in the Vaults. EDIT: Speaking of a brain on a roomba, there is a type of robot in Fallout called the Robobrain. It is an extracted human brain connected to a robot. In Fallout 4 we can visit the facility where the brain extraction process happened and as with lots of stuff in Fallout, it was not voluntary.. You can read through logs and notes from the people working about how someone had dementia and how the brain did not survive the extraction, or how the brain could not cope with no longer being in a body, or how the brain was quite murderous and wanted revenge on the people who captured it. Brains that were not suitable were simply incinerated. Brains that seemed to work had their memories wiped and put in a machine. There is a note from one of the employees (the people doing the extractions) about how one of them slowly realize that they are not doing this to volunteers but instead captured prisoners of war, potential spies, dissidents or even american citizens who were at the wrong place at the wrong time! Another note mentions how it was someone's birthday and they had made a cake by spraying whipped cream over a brain as a joke!
Giving him that angle, that so many people live in fear of every day in real life, makes him much more terrifying than just a corporate suit that follows orders.
I haven't played the game so this is just my hypothesis, but Re: Vault Tec's faulty logic, while I agree its pretty counterintuitive to drop nuclear bombs on your target demographic, we don't know if bombs were dropped everywhere at once or only in one location to start with. If they only bombed California initially, it would actually help their business grow massively in other regions because the fear amongst the remaining population would grow 10000x and very, very rapidly after the bombing. There was also a massive whiff of eugenics in the Vault Tec model, as demonstrated by Cooper's wife's monologue during the board meeting, so I wouldn't be surprised if they did indeed want to wipe out the low income classes and "radicals" and keep only their easy-to-control, sheeple clients alive as part of their strategy.
Yeh I think it's just down to Lezbi not really being aware of what is "important" to Fallout, such as cutting the lines about "War.. War never changes..", coupled with how long a scene can be before it's caught by the Copyright detection systems. It feels more obvious when comparing Fallout fans watching the show to when newbies watch the show, the veterans know to include the cool fanservice =)
@5:47 - The pale ghoul with dark hair
In the episode where she meets Snip-Snip she tells the two guys to let the Ghouls go. One of the ghouls stop to say "Thank you" to her. That was the dark-haired pale ghoul. So he (she?) remembers her as the one who let him and the others go free.
I think they cleaned vault 32 by waking up folks and then putting them back to sleep when they were done cleaning!
I think they just used the people originally from 31 who live in 33 now?
@@kathryncainmadsen5850 Betty is old and Steph just had a baby, we don't know if there are any other people from 31.
Also Muldaver says her company was bought out by Vault Tec, and she was working within the company because she felt that it was the only way to “beat the bad guys.” I think it is assumed that as a major player in/ scientist for Vault Tec, she was also cryogenically frozen. But what her reasons for being woken up and how she left her vault is unanswered
"War... War never changes.."
Is the Fallout version of "The Wheel of Time turns, and ages come and pass..."
It is part of every Fallout cinematic so them saying that line was like hearing Moiraine say the lines about "no beginnings to the Wheel of Time" at the end of S1 Ep1!
I got chills just now from reading that line. BrrrrrrRrrr
The only way it could have been better is if Ron Perlman had said it. (He narrated the game Intro cinematics.)
11:20 - The secretary
Not sure if you piked up on it, still just watching the reaction and typing as I think of things, but that's Betty who mentioned that Hank was a huge fan. Betty who is now the Overseer of Lucy's Vault!
@5:40 I think that Ghul that recognized her was one of the Ghuls she liberated in episode 4
Edit: The city in the end was New Vegas (aka Las Vegas), the location of one of the games. The tower is from the Lucky 38 casino
I also think Moldaver wasn't able to make this cold fusion again because a lot of the equipment doesn't exists anymore.
well. now you know what incident made maximus think the bombs dropped when he was a little boy rather than 219 years ago.
"The other organisation (Enclave) and Brotherhood are enemies, and while Enclave issued a bounty for Wilzig, Brotherhood intercepetd the intel and went for it, for themselves.
See I just assumed that Muldiver was frozen for 2 hundred years and not a ghoul.
me too, although she obviously wasn't in Vault 31... I guess we might find out in Season 2?
Yes. Me too.
19:10 - "It's easier to track a struck pig"
Reminds me very much of Ishamael's line about "A dead Aes Sedai is useless. Desperation opens the mind to move.. Interesting choices.." and Lanfear's line about "A Broken Amyrlin is of more use to me than a dead one"
I’m loving your WoT-Fallout parallels!
If you haven’t caught it yet, The Road To Tar Valon Podcast has teamed up with Kevin Angus to talk about the episodes.
Muldaver was definitely not a ghoul, FYI. Dane didn't lie about Maximus killing Muldaver, they saw Maximus standing next to the body and made an incorrect assumption. There are plenty of stories about people shooting themselves in the foot and things like that to avoid being drafted in the real world, it doesn't seem like too much of a stretch that Dane would do something analogous in the show.
17:15 - "You telling me the armor don't have nightvision?"
That's a bit of an issue with this scene as yes, the Power Armors do have flashlights. When you've seen Maximus and others open the front of the helmet they move aside a little arm first. That's the headlight!
When you play the game the Pip-boy acts as a flashlight (as we saw Norman and Chet use it when they snuk into Vault 32 and found all the skeletons) but if you are running around in a Power Armor the Pip-boy is not really accessible so the suits have a headlight. They could have turned those on to help them see but I guess it's "Rule of Cool" and having those rays of light move around could make things a bit too confusing and disorienting for the viewers.
She's not a Ghoul She's a scientist. If Vaultec can develop Cryogenic storage, why couldn't she?
In defense of waiting a long time between seasons - they did Rebel Moon 1 and 2 back to back really quickly, and we saw how that turned out!
So I don't think Moldaver was a ghoul, she might have survived like Bud's Buds through cryogenic suspension.
As for the ideas for Vaults that were brought up in the show, those are all in the games. Though I don't think there was one where an AI ran it directly, it just chose the Overseer. Though it didn't want to lose any power so it kept creating crises.
And in the games, it is a mystery who started the Great War but Vault Tec was one of the suspects. And yeah, it is cartoonishly evil, but Pre-War society was very much falling apart in part thanks to people like that running the country.
Or she developped the technology for it and had some sort of prototype of said technology still.
@@corneliusantonius3108 Possible, Vault Tec got that technology from somewhere.
@@pemryjanes5789 Moldaver literally tells Cooper howard in one of the lashback that Vault Tec suddenly bought up all her companies (in stocks I geuess)
The city in the distance is New Vegas... The base for one of the games.
I never thought Moldaver was a ghoul. Didnt she come from a pod like Hank?
There is a tiny hint in the credits of the last episode. You see I think a hotel with cryogenic chambers. So I think Moldaver went down that route
After watching the show..I have been watching reaction vids..it seems that no one has come to the same conclusion that Rose and Moldava?..became lovers..hmmm..am I reading too much into Hank's Hate of them?..that's why she kept Lucy's mom with her
Eu acho que a Rose ter se apaixonado pela Moldaver pode ter sido um dos motivos do Hank ter destruído a cidade (acho que é possível até que seja o principal motivo pra ele), mas ele teria que destruir Shady Sands de qualquer forma, porque, pelo que eu entendi, essa era a missão que a Vault deu a ele e as outras pessoas do passado: não deixar a sociedade voltar.
I concur
dude! I was thinking the exact same thing, I havent seen a reaction yet that picked up on it
That’s how I read it too. Making Hank into the vengeful scorned ex husband that uses policy as an excuse to destroy the city makes him even more terrifying.
Oh, definitely. My lesbian detector was going off hard.
Wilzig, the guy with the glasses, is not part of the Brotherhood.
He is part of another faction that you have not really encountered yet (one of their bases is probably the big apartment complex where we see them breed the dogs in start of Ep2). I guess he was not really a fan of them and instead allied himself with Moldaver.
Don't know if you want possible Season2 Spoilers so, adding rows!
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So he is most likely part of the Enclave, which is a faction consisting of the previous governemnt.
When playing Fallout 2 you hear about "the Oil rig" which turns out to be an actual oil rig far out into the ocean. You end up there and find out that it is occupied by the actual President of the US (as far as a US still exists) and as they were informed about the bombs dropping they were able to pre-evacuate. In the opening of Ep1 you can hear the news mention that the President is missing, or rather no one knows where they are. This tells me that the President knew about what was happening and had already evacuated, along with a group of Enclave soldiers in more advanced Power Armors.
The Enclave was also responsible for creating a particularly nasty creature that was mentioned during their meeting and that I think we saw a glimps of during the Ep2 opening.
He is Enclave, when they send out the search parties the brotherhood specifically calls him an Enclave runaway.
@@RocketSurgn_ Ahhh I must have missed when they mentioned the faction!
Trying my best to stay as vague as I can to avoid spoilers so I play it safe! =D
I should probably explain that there are many, *many* esoteric methods of attaining immortality in the Fallout franchise: becoming a ghoul is only one of them.
However, I should probably note that almost all of those methods are extremely undesirable. Just look at Bud.
Like they said in the previous episode the brotherhood is a complicated organization in some games they're selfish isolationists and others they're the good guys and in some they're the bad guys
make another cold fusion Seed" in the wasteland.
yeah, no . They simply do not have the equipment needed to begin building that. I don't think the Enclave created it. It was labeled vault tech, so I guess they found it.
To your question about how Moldaver is alive, there are other ways than ghoulification to extend life in Fallout. One way being the pods we saw in vault 31. I think it’s possible someone woke up Moldaver from a pod sometime before Shady Sands was bombed. There is another way she could still be here too, but it’s not been introduced yet so I won’t get into it!
I am a fan of one of the other ways, the one from Fallout 4 scientist types. It makes a lot of sense to me that Moldaver could have been associated with them.
The logic of starting a nuclear war themselves… I think really comes down to the part of the Fallout world that is pretty dark/intense satire of corporate greed and shortsightedness. Think Doctor Strangelove, something like it doesn’t make sense because it’s not supposed to because the whole system reinforces short sighted greed/self interest/fear with a dash of arrogance and creates the bad in people. It drives them to think insane decisions are the best ones.
24:07 "So I get why they divorced" - I thought this was going to be followed up with 'because faulty logic is unacceptable in a partner'. I was glad that instead you connected it to the whole starting-the-nuclear-apocalypse thing.
17:10 Exactly! The Armor not having nightvision is a design flaw worthy of West Tec
I bet we'll get the answer to Moldaver longevity next season.
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I'm putting on my money on either cryo or this Moldaver being a synth.
Or she had money she was a CEO of companies I think she's a hypocrite freezing her self in a volt tec volt
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if she had access to cryo, she could have preserved herself in order to wait out the radiation fallout and to rebuild the technology to help the people of the future. How does that make her a hypocrite?
@@rapunzl347 Also, in person to pre-war Cooper she pretty much said she thinks being a hypocrite is necessary, so that doesn’t really go against any theories.
Greatg reaction video. I loved the Fallout show.
I don’t think there was a Cold War prior to the bombs dropping. There was a long period of prosperity due to atomic energy, followed by scarcity (of pretty much everything) and the Resource Wars (that lasted about 10 years). It was a very hot war.
The Operation Anchorage DLC for Fallout 3 is the only time we actually see the war. The Ghoul mentioned that he fought in Alaska, referring to that campaign.
The hacking mechanics from the game were a cool inclusion for me, as I enjoyed those puzzles. There's a lot of great little fan-service moments like that, but I agree that they are mostly either well-explained or missable without detracting from the story. Or maybe it is distracting. Kinda like the pip-boy thing...they walk a fine line between "let the video game nerds have what they want" and "explain the vocabulary and mechanics of the world to first-timers."
I might be mistaken, but I think one of the ghouls in town was one Lucy rescued at the Super Duper Mart. Just a little side-consequence of a role-playing choice a character might make.
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Now that you have seen the full show I can say everything without Spoilers! But, well, the ending of the meeting between all the coproprations:
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So yes, when you in other reactions mentioned that you thought all Vaults had a Theme. That is very true. But the themes were more about social experiments. Some of the wierd ideas they mentioned at the meeting are real Vaults (well, it's a computer game so not Real-Real but..).
* Vault 69 was 1 male and 999 females, while Vault 68 was 999 males and one female. I guess to test inbreeding but.. Could also have been for shits and giggles..
* One Vault would only serve thin gruel as food to see how important it was to maintain "real" food or if they could save on that.
* One Vault was designed so that everything could constantly break down and need constant repairs. How would that impact the stress-levels of the people knowing at any time things could break and you'd die?
* One Vault the door never really closed properly, so a small amount of radiation kept leeking inside. This slow exposure to Radiation didn't kill the inhabitants but instead turned them into Ghouls.
* One Vault the Overseer was specifically selected because they had a rare disease that would cause their death in a few years, so suddenly the Vault dwellers would have to find a new leader and how would a very diverse groups of people decide on a new leader? Would everyone accept the new leader?
* One Vault was a VR Vault where people would be put in pods and their consciousness streamed into a VR world, very much reminding of The Matrix. Problem was that the leader of the Vault was Dr. Stanislaus Braun who was, shall we say, a bit of a Sadist. He was conscious about everything in the VR and in full control while the regular inhabitants and other Vault Dwellers were unaware that they were even in a VR, very much like The Matrix. The Doctor grew bored and started to do experiments, even outright executing people in the VR but as the bodies remained alive in their pods he could just wipe their memories and restart the world. Eventually he'd create a new world in the VR and keep using the other people as playthings.
* One Vault was built under a school with the promise that the familes of the students would get preferential access (instead of paying ungodly amounts of money). When the bombs dropped and all the families rushed inside the kids were taken to a room to play while the parents were taken to an orientation lecture and summarily executed. The kids were then used as breeding stock to breed a form of super-human with amazing strength and endurance. Daily workout, push the kids to extreme, some died during training, and when they turned 18 they "graduated" and their DNA was extracted for further development while the kid itself was either released to the surface or just incinerated.
* Another Vault was all about rehabilitation with people suffering from alcohol or substance abuse. They'd have to go full cold turkey with the Vault doors closed and no access to substances. The management would help by having meetings, support, therapy, even a machine that would help to clean a person's blood from the toxins left as substances degraded (even in our world we sedate the hardcore alcoholics as they detox because it is a seriously painful experience).
Vault-tec had planted a mole among the population, if I recall correctly not even the Overseer knew, and after 5 years the mole would open a secret cache full of alcohol and the substances that the addicts had been trying to be free from. Some remained sober, others relapsed fast, and as the stock was limited there was violence. When the player enters we can see skeletons everywhere, walls ruined and electrical wiring all over, tables flipped over as defenses, etc. Things did NOT end well..
* Another Vault was full of amazing musicians and singers. They had a real Stradivarius as part of their inventory and with rooms to practice and create, write and record symphonies. The story is told through the diary of a 16yo girl who loved music and was amazed they let her in since she was just a newbie. She talks about how kind the musicians are and how they teach her cool things! But as you read you realize she make more and more typos. Eventually it is full words missing and close to unreadable. She descibes people going insane and violent and how one person had to be shot multiple times before finally killed. Turns out they were testing subliminal messages via static background noise in the hopes that they could create a super-soldier free of morals and wiling to kill (since we know that soldiers in general tend to not want to shoot to kill)..
* Another Vault, Vault 11, was somehow even worse.. As the doors closed their Vault computer told them that they had to sacrifice one person each year or it would shut down life support. The population decided to go by democratic vote and the first to die was the Overseer who had known about all of this long in advance. So each year they'd elect a new Overseer who would rule the Vault but then end up having to go down into the basement and killed by the machine. Inevitable some factions formed where members promised not to vote on each other. One faction became very dominant and who they decided to vote for would pretty much become the new Overseer. One time the husband of a woman won against the large faction in poker and so they threatened to vote him as Overseer. His wife pleaded with the leader of the major faction to let him be and they said that if she performed.. adult activities with them.. they would spare him. She agreed. However, they still voted for her husband, he became Overseer and was eventually sent to die. During the year the leaders of the major faction would strangley dissapear or be found dead. Turns out this wife had been going around killing those who had voted for her husband. She knew that if she was a monster, it would be easier for the others to vote for her. No reason to feel bad to elect a murderer to be executed. So she was elected Overseer and as her first action she decided that there would be no further elections but instead all new Overseers would be elected by telling the computer to choose one at random. This ment that the major factions suddenly had no power anymore which they did not like. They hoarded weapons and started a coup, shooting people and trying to take over to save themselves.
As the player first enters the Vault we find a holotape, an audio recording of the five people who survived. When they were so few remaining they just decided to end things together by not sacrificing someone. Instead of shutting off life support the computer instead congratulated them on their outstanding morale and humanitarianism, that they stood up for humanity instead of performing human sacrifices! The computer then unlocked the Vault door and everyone could leave if they so desired. So there those five stood and we hear on the recording how they talk about how they are so deeply ashamed and that no one should know what had been going on.. But in the end we hear 4 gunshots and a sigh as one person drops a weapon to the ground. It is fully possible that one person remained alive and left the Vault but we don't know who or where that person is now..
The Original creator of the first Fallout game described in a video on his TH-cam channel that their first reasoning was that all Vaults would be tests that could help the remains of the government survive in space. So they tested prolonged radiation exposure on humans (when in the spacecraft and while on a new planet without the protection that Earth gives against solar radiation), how population and genetic defects would work when breeding with a very limited population, how population would behave with only access to gruel and no "real" food, as well as with limtied forms of entertainment, how a population would work if isolated for hundreds of years to test generational ships. They did tests on plants and animals, etc.
During the development of the games, when Bethesda took over, they elaborated it a bit but a spark of it has still been there and all the old Vaults mentioned in earlier games are still canon.
There's supposed to be a total of 122 Vaults. Some of them have been in games, some have been in comics, some have now been in the show. But still lots that we haven't really heard about.
If you are OK with made-up stories about human depravity, I'd suggest looking into some of the "Vaults Explained" or "List of Vault Experiments" videos out there. If you want we can scout out some good videos for you!
Fallout’s Vault stories are just on another level.
Oxhorn is my favorite source for Fallout Lore. He puts together the pieces and clues in such an engaging way.
@@rapunzl347 Yeh I love Oxhorns videos on the Vaults! He has a really perfect voice do thta type of story!
My only reason to not instantly recommend his videos on each Vault is that they are complete playthroughs meaning he explore every nook and cranny to show where there are Bobbleheads, cool weapons, ammo and other InGame goddies. If he mostly just showed the storytelling and the rooms and terminals that tell the story I'd recommend things in a heartbeat!
I posted a comment to him asking if he'd consider it but he probably get loads of messages so my post is probably lost to the general murmur =/
@@rapunzl347 TH-cam recently recommended another reactor reacting to Oxhorn's Vault 11 video and re-watching it there's actually not a lot of "filler"! So yeh if Lezbi wants to I think his videos on the Vaults could actually be really interesting and give a newbie a look into the world of Fallout!
Will be minimal spoilrs as well as it's all from the games and have been out for years, plus the show's story is new but relates to previous events so can't really spoil the show!
@@Ferdawoon oooo! Baby Gamer Lezbi Nerdy reacting to Oxhorn? I’d watch that!
Next stop for fallout. The best game in the series, NEW VEGAS
the vault tec people thought that if they wiped everyone out but "THEM" there would finally be peace. not realizing that if you have more than one person no matter how alike they will fight eventually. so even if they wipe out all "other" wars will still eventually happen. Muldaver had a non ghoul no ageing tech. but not invulnerable.
The debate as to who dropped the bombs first has been ongoing since Fallout 1. Whether it is was China, the U.S., or a third party.
And even the internal information in Fallout is contradictory, in ways that are fully lore appropriate (the sources aren’t exactly trustworthy, not sure any source really could be). Though I tend to think we can almost rule out it being directly the Enclave or Vault Tec, since neither had their plans fully ready before things happened. Or at least I’m guessing the daughter would’ve been somewhere safe if VaultTec planned it and I’m pretty sure I remember Fallout 1 or 2 lore from computer logs or something that the Enclave were didn’t manage to finish preparations either.
Lucky number 7.
Moldaver isn't a ghoul. She was in a Cryotube like Buds buds. At least, that is what I'm assuming. At the level of wealth that Vault Tec got to money becomes virtually meaningless, really. It's just a play to take over the world.
I hate the model of mass producing low-quality series episodes. Give me quality every time, even if it takes time to do it right.
While I love the HQ series we’ve been getting, sometimes I do really miss the character moments and fun we’d get in the filler episodes.
How did you miss the Death Claw?
Oh? What is the death claw?
@@LezbiNerdya lovely little surprise that you’ll probably meet in Season 2.
Do we refer to the character of Dane as they? Seems weird
The actor uses He/They. The show uses They.
Also, dont think about the tech in the context of modern sci fi. Think of it in terms of 50s pulp sci fi.
The enclave are always the bad guys though
There is also the homophobic angle. Rose leaves vault 33. Meets Lee. They raise Lucy and Norm together. Hank finds them, has a bit of a tantrum and murders everyone in Shady Sands.
Oh, non spoiler @Lezbi Nerdy. Being a ghoul makes you damn near immortal, but it doesn't make you invulnerable (yes, I know about Thaddeus, but I have a slightly different theory on him that is spoiler territory).
Does it involve a little fev? Instead of a nice dunk in a vat, a little injection of the stuff could have some interesting side effects.
@@rapunzl347 yep yep yeppers, maybe we get a greener Thaddeus next season.
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16:25 - Why did Hank bomb the city?
It could very well be that he was just "following orders" by Bud in that roomba, or he genuinly think humanity can live forever in the Vaults until all human life on the surface is gone, then return up and it will be a perfect world because there will be only the Vault-Tec people. A perfect monopoly on existence. So he dropped a bomb again to help speed things up.
But I've also seen other reactors reflect on how close Lucy's mother and Mlodaver is. In the flashbacks they smile at each other and looks very much like an idealized Hollywood-trope lesbian couple. Maybe I'm reading too much into it but it is possible that Hank really thought that his wife had left him for a woman, which made him feel betrayed and extra vindictive. Not neccesarily because of the bi/lesbian relation but the fact that his wife left him and took the kids.
There're enough stories about men in our real world who go bananas when they lose their family so it could be possible that it was a mix of "scorned husband" coupled with how he geuinely think they can outlast humanity in the Vaults.
EDIT: Speaking of a brain on a roomba, there is a type of robot in Fallout called the Robobrain. It is an extracted human brain connected to a robot. In Fallout 4 we can visit the facility where the brain extraction process happened and as with lots of stuff in Fallout, it was not voluntary.. You can read through logs and notes from the people working about how someone had dementia and how the brain did not survive the extraction, or how the brain could not cope with no longer being in a body, or how the brain was quite murderous and wanted revenge on the people who captured it. Brains that were not suitable were simply incinerated. Brains that seemed to work had their memories wiped and put in a machine.
There is a note from one of the employees (the people doing the extractions) about how one of them slowly realize that they are not doing this to volunteers but instead captured prisoners of war, potential spies, dissidents or even american citizens who were at the wrong place at the wrong time! Another note mentions how it was someone's birthday and they had made a cake by spraying whipped cream over a brain as a joke!
Giving him that angle, that so many people live in fear of every day in real life, makes him much more terrifying than just a corporate suit that follows orders.
I haven't played the game so this is just my hypothesis, but Re: Vault Tec's faulty logic, while I agree its pretty counterintuitive to drop nuclear bombs on your target demographic, we don't know if bombs were dropped everywhere at once or only in one location to start with. If they only bombed California initially, it would actually help their business grow massively in other regions because the fear amongst the remaining population would grow 10000x and very, very rapidly after the bombing. There was also a massive whiff of eugenics in the Vault Tec model, as demonstrated by Cooper's wife's monologue during the board meeting, so I wouldn't be surprised if they did indeed want to wipe out the low income classes and "radicals" and keep only their easy-to-control, sheeple clients alive as part of their strategy.
hmm the editing feels off on this one in terms of what was included/cut
Yeh I think it's just down to Lezbi not really being aware of what is "important" to Fallout, such as cutting the lines about "War.. War never changes..", coupled with how long a scene can be before it's caught by the Copyright detection systems.
It feels more obvious when comparing Fallout fans watching the show to when newbies watch the show, the veterans know to include the cool fanservice =)
You so have to play the games
Capitalism is always about power first and success/money second for the capitalists
I can now guilelessly say that you are really past the worst gore of this season. Phew. 😅
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