LOL! It's funny because Janey is obviously implying that Susan is really really old 👵👴 when she isn't even old in this clip! Susan was only 43 or 44 here as the character of Susan was born in 1956, although her actress Zoe Wanamaker was born in 1949 so Zoe was either 50 or 51 in this clip. Obviously both Susan and Zoe are old now as Zoe is now either 74 or 75, whilst Susan will be 67 or 68 now. There was a flashforward episode where Susan is even older and still looks the same as she claims she looks the same because she moisturises 🧴 and every time she says it she winks 😉 at the audience thereby breaking the fourth wall 🧱 LOL!
Daniela Denby Ashe is a great actress in this show and funny enough before she did this show in 2000. For those of you fans remember her well she was in EastEnders as Sarah Hills from 1995 until 1999 and she was another in Waterloo Road.
The analogy about the tattoo parlor and always having the right to back out without penalty is a superb way to explain the situation of when romance goes too far.
But VERY HARMFUL, because it instills in women the belief that 'a speeding train can be stopped by waving a hand.' Fortunately, it was also mentioned that just saying 'NO' didn't work and she had to hit him.
Long time since I watched My Family. I certainly don't know the wider context within the show. But talking to girls but not boys about consent is tragic not comic.
This is a good lesson except that it doesn't teach the daughter to talk and talking is important because either one can lead the other person on either intentionally or unintentionally But if you talk clearly and then make it clear that you mean what you say and aren't playing hard to get, then at that point other person no longer has the excuse to say they were tempted or led on. At that point, if they respect you at all or just are a decent person they'll stop. And, if they don't stop then I guess heel palm to the face, lol. (Though she's lucky that didn't backfire.)
Came so close, but still missed the part where if at any time during the deed she's no longer into it and doesn't communicate, it's still grape. Evidently.
@@KatEtoile Ok. So when did your mind reading powers kick in? Being human, mine haven't developed yet. Probably why we use words to communicate. Granted, seems you presume assault, likely on the male's part, which is a pretty serious problem all of its own as it shouldn't be possible to accidently grape. But worse, given a recent case where someone had an enthusiastic yes but was still convicted after a supposed no wasn't communicated, seems even your claim isn't valid. So now what? Ask for an enthusiastic yes before every thrust?
She didn't set out to discuss consent but to gossip. And she "sent" them out so her daughter could be more at ease and frank without the peanut gallery chipping in. The way she got them out if the room is basically them self-selecting against the type of gossip that is to follow. I don't know the show, frankly I don't know why this clip got recommended to me, but even from that short clip it's clear to me, that this mom will have made absolutely sure that her boys know the meaning and importance of consent. And actually I hope she didn't immediately discuss consent with them afterwards, as it would allow them to guess what happened to their sister, something she obviously would not like them to know. I don't know what snide point you are trying to make, but the only real problem I see here is that the mom shouldn't have sought to gossip at the breakfast table but rather done it in a more private setting. You seem to advocate for the opposite which is just weird to me. Imagine she started the conversation and the boys stayed, but now instead of some relatively minor SA coming to light, that date went far, far worse...
@@tellur808 Really? If she would have already discussed consent with her sons at that point, why hadn't she previously discussed consent with her daughter?
@@SC-dm1ctthat's what you took from my comment? Fine... But nothing about that interaction made me think that the daughter has never heard about consent or that the mother didn't talk about it with her. In fact, the daughter seems to be perfectly aware how to make sure a no stays a no. What I do see in this clip is the mother reinforcing what consent means beyond the easily digestible "no means no", building on top of practical experience the daughter didn't have when she learned about consent. Especially when someone is victimised they tend to look for fault in themselves, no matter if they intellectually should know better. That's just an ugly truth of human psychology and what keeps thousands of psychologists employed.
Accidentally share false information? You could cause total strangers to feel a particular way. Go to jail. Intimately engage with a teenage boy until the physical response of their most potent chemicals kicking in? You were innocent and didn't deserve this.
This chat as is, is completely fine and probably a conversation worth having with your kids. But what's happening in *REAL LIFE* is that out of misguided sympathy toward women, it has become legal to withdrawn consent AT ANY TIME - that includes retroactively. 40 years later, a woman decides she is unhappy and wants to hurt other people around her can out of the blue decide to remove consent, so that man she had a completely mutual and enthusiastic relationship with 40 years ago is now legally a rapist. With the explosion of proven false accusations we've seen come to light after the MeToo movement that have the greater part of societies reconsidering if they should ever believe women in any circumstances, this is a very, VERY bad time to try to push for this wishy-washy 'customizable' revenge I-changed-my-mind garbage that wears consent as a disguise. The daughter in this clip actually does a great job demonstrating accountability and responsibility - she recognizes that what the guy did to her is assault and illegal, that what she also did in response was assault and illegal. She took care of the problem in her own way and there is no need to run to the police or press charges because she was just as guilty of a crime as he was. She also modeled responsibility in a way that many young girls need to see - she acknowledged it was a bad idea to get into the car with a guy she didn't fully trust or feel comfortable with - that is *GOOD* advice for young girls out there! It is a shame the mother tries to erode all of that and claim it can't possibly be the fault of her bad decisions (it's never women's fault), that everything bad in life is actually the fault of a man somewhere.
WHA A BS IT! When a person (including a man) is strongly sexually aroused it is hormones and not reason that control his actions! If in this tattoo parlour she had said that she had dithered in the middle of doing a tattoo (and the payment is for the whole thing) then she would have had a good chance of completing against her decision. BTW. Yes, it would have been very wrong ('criminal') if he had forced her and there there is no doubt. BUT, it would have been foreseeable and avoidable.
She put herself in a situation where she is in a secluded place, alone with a guy. What did she think would happen then? So: yes. it's your fault too. Not 100%, but at least 50%... because you are an almost adult person and therefore responsible for your decisions and the resulting consequences.
@@KatEtoile I am aware of how consent works and would never cross another person's boundaries. But this is about something different. Women cannot hand over all responsibility to those around them. They have to learn that they are adults and that they are responsible for their actions. actions always have consequences. If someone willingly puts themselves in a situation that is questionable, then the person should not be surprised if there are undesirable consequences. It is not possible to provide all social situations with a set of rules. That's not how human interaction works.
Madam hooch teaching the facts of life. lol
Ohh, I thought she looked familiar but couldn't work out who.
This show is a vibe, I miss this period of time in the UK. I can't believe the teenage daughter is 45 years old now.
Thanks for making me feel old. I remeber watching them as a teeanager.
Exactly it was such an amazing time. Late 90s and early 2000s
I bet she's still Beautiful
How old was she when she played her then? In her early twenties?
@@stevemorganexperience7833 She was born in August 78 and the first season was released in 2000, so she was 21 at the start.
“What, in case the Vikings attacked” 😂
LOL! It's funny because Janey is obviously implying that Susan is really really old 👵👴 when she isn't even old in this clip! Susan was only 43 or 44 here as the character of Susan was born in 1956, although her actress Zoe Wanamaker was born in 1949 so Zoe was either 50 or 51 in this clip. Obviously both Susan and Zoe are old now as Zoe is now either 74 or 75, whilst Susan will be 67 or 68 now. There was a flashforward episode where Susan is even older and still looks the same as she claims she looks the same because she moisturises 🧴 and every time she says it she winks 😉 at the audience thereby breaking the fourth wall 🧱 LOL!
I used to absolutely love this show! Seasons 3 to 5 were the best
She does fable voiceover and it’s very distinctive.
Oh yeah
That voice brings back memories, never knew who was voice actress before
Fable 1 player characters sister if I remember rightly, who became the seer/oracle lady in 2 and 3.
Where the UK discovered Kris Marshall….. brilliant actor
Seasons 2-6 of this show were elite television
Em…. what?!!
Porridge and only fools and horses were elite.
s1 - s4 were the best, then the actor who played Nick left and it become boring. The parents of the show even said they wanted to quit after he left.
Zoe Wanamaker is one of the GOATs
What a great mother daughter talk ❤
Showing this to my kids when they go through puberty
It’s more important that parents have the consent talk with their son.
" i could never say no to anyone but you"
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Had a mahoosive crush on Daniela Denby-Ashe back in the day. So cute.
I mean who didn't tbh
@@freddysw Yeah, but there are crushes and there are _crushes,_ m8.👍
@@titteryenot4524Mine was Lenora Crichlow from Sugar Rush
My mate meanwhile had a thing for Zoe Wanamaker 😆
@@freddysw ‘Mike’? Who? 🤔
Mommy needs a hug 🤗 girl 😂
it was non consensual.. demanded even
Is that the flying instructor from Harry Potter????
It was nagging me where ive seen her, thanks! :D
@@ktaragorn ok then I was right 🤣
I always wondered why that scene felt like a "big reveal" cameo. Now I know why.
What flying instructor 😂
@@shelldie8523 madam hooch
I watched this for years when I would “catch it” at 11 at night… the most impossible show to stream in 2005 lol .
Daniela Denby Ashe is a great actress in this show and funny enough before she did this show in 2000. For those of you fans remember her well she was in EastEnders as Sarah Hills from 1995 until 1999 and she was another in Waterloo Road.
The analogy about the tattoo parlor and always having the right to back out without penalty is a superb way to explain the situation of when romance goes too far.
Lady Cassandra, the last human, plus a fleeting appearance by the Doctor who never was!
very well written scene.
But VERY HARMFUL, because it instills in women the belief that 'a speeding train can be stopped by waving a hand.' Fortunately, it was also mentioned that just saying 'NO' didn't work and she had to hit him.
I liked the part where the mother says 'no' must be respected and obeyed yet all the while she ignores her daughter's refusal to speak on the subject.
I like the bit where the only voices who have stated any issues with the key message in this scene are, of course, men.
First time watching this... So great!
Zoë Wanamaker: an older woman I quite fancied back in the day, even if she was three years younger than me.
Funny, the mother couldn't take no for an answer
Love my family
Didn't realise the Brits did American style sitcoms like this...
this was an exception.
@@nl5828 there are plenty like this.
brits are experts at copying americans
Might have start watching UK TV shows because I’m running out of sitcoms here
Well done.
Ask your Mum a permission!
What show is this?
A BBC sitcom called My Family.
Same nick left.❤❤❤
Even Nick got put off by Susan's mentioning of sex.
Why are there adds, The BBC is add free , which is why we pay the licence fee !
Because TH-cam is an international website, and people outside the UK don't pay the license fee?
@@JK192837 it's BBC material! BBC World Service is add free!
@@JK192837 I think it should be an option to pay for BBC license voluntarily and get BBC ad free outside UK too.
And that's when you discover the fabulous world of ad-free youtube (free of fees too, of course).
Btw I hear that you don’t need to pay for that
Long time since I watched My Family. I certainly don't know the wider context within the show. But talking to girls but not boys about consent is tragic not comic.
i have no idea what this show is but i really wanna know now lol
My Family
my family - bbc iplayer
Nazalost u Hrvatskoj ovakvih serija nema samo reprize sainfelda teorija velikog praska i slicno😢
the difference is in a tattoo shop u pay for the ink
Is that a Godzilla toy in the background?
😂😂😂
just in case the vikings attack
This is a good lesson except that it doesn't teach the daughter to talk and talking is important because either one can lead the other person on either intentionally or unintentionally But if you talk clearly and then make it clear that you mean what you say and aren't playing hard to get, then at that point other person no longer has the excuse to say they were tempted or led on. At that point, if they respect you at all or just are a decent person they'll stop. And, if they don't stop then I guess heel palm to the face, lol. (Though she's lucky that didn't backfire.)
It is clearly established that she said no. IF he keep going after that, it's clearly not because she doesn't know how to talk.
Me la espero por los 370. Si se da pues bien, y si no bien también.
Came so close, but still missed the part where if at any time during the deed she's no longer into it and doesn't communicate, it's still grape. Evidently.
did you watch the part where she said no and he didnt stop
@@mjusda4353 Did you miss the part where I said "and doesn't communicate"?
Hey man, this is the 80?s? Be glad they talked about it at all. Total win.
@@custos3249Not having a communicated yes - still means no. Someone can be too scared to speak if being sexually assaulted.
@@KatEtoile Ok. So when did your mind reading powers kick in? Being human, mine haven't developed yet. Probably why we use words to communicate. Granted, seems you presume assault, likely on the male's part, which is a pretty serious problem all of its own as it shouldn't be possible to accidently grape. But worse, given a recent case where someone had an enthusiastic yes but was still convicted after a supposed no wasn't communicated, seems even your claim isn't valid. So now what? Ask for an enthusiastic yes before every thrust?
The mother has no lips.
Interesting she decided to wait until her sons had left to discuss consent.
She didn't set out to discuss consent but to gossip. And she "sent" them out so her daughter could be more at ease and frank without the peanut gallery chipping in. The way she got them out if the room is basically them self-selecting against the type of gossip that is to follow.
I don't know the show, frankly I don't know why this clip got recommended to me, but even from that short clip it's clear to me, that this mom will have made absolutely sure that her boys know the meaning and importance of consent.
And actually I hope she didn't immediately discuss consent with them afterwards, as it would allow them to guess what happened to their sister, something she obviously would not like them to know.
I don't know what snide point you are trying to make, but the only real problem I see here is that the mom shouldn't have sought to gossip at the breakfast table but rather done it in a more private setting. You seem to advocate for the opposite which is just weird to me. Imagine she started the conversation and the boys stayed, but now instead of some relatively minor SA coming to light, that date went far, far worse...
@@tellur808 Really? If she would have already discussed consent with her sons at that point, why hadn't she previously discussed consent with her daughter?
@@SC-dm1ctthat's what you took from my comment?
Fine... But nothing about that interaction made me think that the daughter has never heard about consent or that the mother didn't talk about it with her. In fact, the daughter seems to be perfectly aware how to make sure a no stays a no.
What I do see in this clip is the mother reinforcing what consent means beyond the easily digestible "no means no", building on top of practical experience the daughter didn't have when she learned about consent.
Especially when someone is victimised they tend to look for fault in themselves, no matter if they intellectually should know better. That's just an ugly truth of human psychology and what keeps thousands of psychologists employed.
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Accidentally share false information? You could cause total strangers to feel a particular way. Go to jail.
Intimately engage with a teenage boy until the physical response of their most potent chemicals kicking in? You were innocent and didn't deserve this.
More preaching from the BBC.
This chat as is, is completely fine and probably a conversation worth having with your kids. But what's happening in *REAL LIFE* is that out of misguided sympathy toward women, it has become legal to withdrawn consent AT ANY TIME - that includes retroactively. 40 years later, a woman decides she is unhappy and wants to hurt other people around her can out of the blue decide to remove consent, so that man she had a completely mutual and enthusiastic relationship with 40 years ago is now legally a rapist. With the explosion of proven false accusations we've seen come to light after the MeToo movement that have the greater part of societies reconsidering if they should ever believe women in any circumstances, this is a very, VERY bad time to try to push for this wishy-washy 'customizable' revenge I-changed-my-mind garbage that wears consent as a disguise.
The daughter in this clip actually does a great job demonstrating accountability and responsibility - she recognizes that what the guy did to her is assault and illegal, that what she also did in response was assault and illegal. She took care of the problem in her own way and there is no need to run to the police or press charges because she was just as guilty of a crime as he was. She also modeled responsibility in a way that many young girls need to see - she acknowledged it was a bad idea to get into the car with a guy she didn't fully trust or feel comfortable with - that is *GOOD* advice for young girls out there! It is a shame the mother tries to erode all of that and claim it can't possibly be the fault of her bad decisions (it's never women's fault), that everything bad in life is actually the fault of a man somewhere.
Starting off with the words “misguided sympathy toward women” is often not the right way to go about things..
So... this is the famous "British humour", huh? Funny stuff... very funny... 🙄😐
WHA A BS IT!
When a person (including a man) is strongly sexually aroused it is hormones and not reason that control his actions! If in this tattoo parlour she had said that she had dithered in the middle of doing a tattoo (and the payment is for the whole thing) then she would have had a good chance of completing against her decision.
BTW. Yes, it would have been very wrong ('criminal') if he had forced her and there there is no doubt. BUT, it would have been foreseeable and avoidable.
average immigrants opinion on consent
She put herself in a situation where she is in a secluded place, alone with a guy. What did she think would happen then? So: yes. it's your fault too. Not 100%, but at least 50%... because you are an almost adult person and therefore responsible for your decisions and the resulting consequences.
Sounds like it’s you who needs to be taught about consent.
@@KatEtoile I am aware of how consent works and would never cross another person's boundaries. But this is about something different. Women cannot hand over all responsibility to those around them. They have to learn that they are adults and that they are responsible for their actions. actions always have consequences. If someone willingly puts themselves in a situation that is questionable, then the person should not be surprised if there are undesirable consequences. It is not possible to provide all social situations with a set of rules. That's not how human interaction works.
@SaveBangladsshiStudents