Hi Scot!! Excellent show!!! The joy, the energy you put into this video (and many others of course) is just amazing!!! Great records : King Crimson "Red", Mahavishnu Orchestra "Birds Of Fire", National Health, Harmonium, Museo Rochenbach, Eloy, Big Big Train, Rush "Moving Pictures". So glad you mentioned one of my favorite bands: Fairport Convention although I think only the first five albums have something of prog like "A Sailor's Life", "Sloth" or the great "Matty Groves" !! I like Quintessence too but I think it's much more psychedelic than prog. Jethro Tull I agree with you they have a lot of folk but much more blues and rock (even hard rock!)!. "TFTO" by Yes was the most expected choice and indeed it's a good album(not my favorite but who really cares??!!). See you my American friend!!
@@TheProgCornerJust a little reminder to give a listen to a great live album that you never heard before. Winwood DiMeola Shrieve Schultze in Yamashta's Go. th-cam.com/video/J9pz-Hn4UdE/w-d-xo.htmlsi=J3smVPpj4Q-5TX8J
Yep. I have played my original Vinyl copy of Argus to death. I think they are possibly underrated because they tend to release albums with not all prog tracks. Have seen them live in the UK, where I live. Excellent gig.
@@EclecticInstinctyes i was just thinkin, people say they are not prog, but they just feel like prog to me, more so then classic rock anyway, but they probably just fit in between, medium prog
Oooh! Could spend hours discussing some of the concepts mentioned here but I will say that, in terms of progginess (and I am the sole arbiter in these matters. Sorry, Scot and Andy's Progometer. I don't need a machine. I just know. 😁) I have always considered Egg (in the Canterbury subgenre) and Gentle Giant (in whatever category progarchives has them) to be the proggiest bands (not necessarily the best, but the proggiest) Anything considered Zeuhl must also be in the extremely proggy category. Now you know!
I’m sorry but you are mistaken - it is only my opinion that matters!!!!! But seriously, I adore Egg and Gentle Giant. Two of my all time favorite bands!!!!
Excellent Scot !...I would have to go with EGG ( The Polite Force ), but the Canterbury scene I love all of it. One of the strongest sub - genres for me. Thanks for minimizing them, it's too exhausting for anyone....😍
That Harmonium album is a recent acquisition for me. Fantastic! Also nice to hear you mention Fred Frith. Some really bizarre and exemplary stuff out there. I often play his awesome Gravity album. Cheers.
Hey - just discovered your channel. Great stuff! For Math Rock - no mention of Dillinger Escape Plan? The Progometer may blow up after listening to “Calculating Infinity” And while I love Dream Theatre, I was hoping for something prog-deeper in prog metal, such as Meshuggah or Gojira. Anyway, great vid - and yes: Tales is an extraordinarily prog record!
Mastodon-Crack the Sky. Prog masterpiece. Also, Prog -punk? NOMEANSNO did a 15 minute version of Bitches Brew plus many of their albums are extremely technical! Amazing band!
Technically, there are only three sub-genres of prog: Awesome, Super-Awesome and Mega-Awesome, but I appreciate your discussion of these sixteen "varieties."
Proggiest Albums in General-1. England Garden Shed 2. K.C,-Lizard 3. Fire Ballet-Night on Bald Mountain 4. VDGG-H to He 5. Genesis-Nursery Cryme 6. Wizards-Soundtrack 7. Starcastle-Fountains of Light 8. Cathedral-Stained Glass Stories 9. Gong-Camembert Electrique 10. White Wing-1st album.
My Top Ten Prog Albums ever. 1. LTIA 2. Still Life 3. Fragile 4. Selling England 5. Islands 6. World Record 7. Red 8. Pawn Hearts 9. Nursery Cryme 10. Animals-BTW-Scott discovered you on Sea of Tranquility-I love your passion!
Excellent video Scot. I am still a bit torn as to why we need so many "sub genres". Who came up with them, and why? Are we supposed to box up our music and assign one of these to them? I remember Court of the Crimson King had no "prog" label at the time of it's release. Ya, I think it's safe to say that I seek great music and don't much care about the labels. I'm 60 years old, so I guess I'm officially "old school" A few bands here to check out as always. Gratitude.
Ah, the Prog Archives. You gotta love that site even if they do make you scratch your head every now and then. Well Scott, I'm glad you mentioned Tangerine Dream. Not only are they my favorite electronic music artist but they're also my favorite music artist of all time. But personally I would have chosen Rubycon. A much proggier album methinks. But yeah, I can understand you not ranking Force Majeure too high on the "Prog-o-meter". I'd consider the title track to be quite proggy but the rest of the album is pretty weak in that area.
Comus First Utterance for Folk Prog. Also, I don't know if you have ever listened to Richard Dawson's Peasant but it is modern canticle prog.. uh.. yeah, gonna stand by that invented genre. top drawer! Top drawer lists!!
Ah, thank you for mentioning National Health. I found them via Egg followed by Hatfield & The North. Dave Stewart (keyboards) and Mont Campbell (b gtr / vox) are superb.
Mate, where's progressive pop! Arguably the most influential song writing album in contemporary music is Laura Nyro's revolutionary, complex and conceptual 1968 album Eli and the Thirteenth Confession {"it blew everybody's mind" Todd Rundgren). Only perhaps surpassed in pop progginess by her 1969 album New York Tendaberry, for me the artistic pinnacle of modern songwriting. Its also about the singing.
Too many "subgenres" for me. I just call it all "prog", or in the case of bands that hold the middle ground between prog and classic, melodic rock, I prefer the term "art rock" (The Moody Blues, Alan Parsons, 10cc, BJH, and more recently Downes-Braide Association)
In the extreme/avant garde metal subgenre I may highly recommend you to listen the incredible "Sol Niger Within", a 1997 album by Meshuggah's Fredrik Thordendal. I spoil a little bit: it's djent meets jazz fusion (Meshuggah meets Allan Holdsworth). Way beyond from its time.
I agree with you regarding Prog-Metal, that the best album is OCTAVARIUM by Dream Theater. A curiosity: it is striking that several prestigious rock music critics, such as Pete Pardo, consider the title track (IMO a masterpiece and probably the band's best song) a weak song. Recently you have done a show in which the majority of six critcs consider it the best song of the group. Very interesting show, Scot!
Great vid. Yes progarchives has waaaaaaaay too many sub genres. But it gives them something to do I guess We’re all a bit OC us prog heads… Gentle giant and Egg! RPI for the win though!!! ❤❤So much emotion and very symphonic.
I think another genre that's excluded from ProgArchives, but that might've been included here, is prog soul. In my opinion, it's at least as legit as crossover prog.
Well since Jethro Tull didn't fitt any of those categories, you must not consider them prog. They've got 2 of the greatest prog albums of all time, so it's hard to see how they didn't make any list. And when it comes to yes, I do love their music. It's they're singing I can't stand. I don't particularly like bands that have very high pitched singing . Although some of them have really superb music, if they had singers with a little bit deeper voices, I would like it a lot better. But in the end I always like your shows..Keep up the good work
Bands like Led Zeppelin, The Who and artists like David Bowie were as prog as it gets, every album different unlike today's so called prog bands. We classed them as prog back in the day. Yet you don't include them. Prog archives are correct to include them. Tangerine Dream and especially Klaus Schulze, as progressive as it gets. What is prog these days, bands like Big Big Train are not prog. Looking backwards is not progressive, the true meaning seems to have gotten lost in the last twenty years. Oh and yeah, Dream Theater are great but they aren't prog, not in the original sense. Most of these aren't prog really. Sorry, very old git just having a moan.
Ha ha!!! And Progarchives does have Prog-related as a category but those bands are not eligible for year end listings on the site. Otherwithe Top 100 would be filled with classic rock…
Really nice list Scot ! But I’ve gotta look into some of those more obscure names that you mentioned. And a major shout out to Eloy’s Ocean. It’s just a mysterious beauty of an epic voyage. Plus I love the drumming on that album, which at times is very reminiscent to the Professor. And the final track is an unforgettable composition that I could lose myself in every time. Can’t say enough about that album.
Hey if you like weird Space Rock shit-check out my 3 Albums I Improvised on my Strat last month-"1.Expedition Jupiter-2.First contact-the alien attack-r"-3.My Solar System Bucket list"-and "4.One Fine Crimson Sunset"-each recorded in one night. All Synths played on my Strat. Doobies encouraged....
Cyclone by TD is probably proggier than FM and maybe not as good but it's still pretty good and also very underrated because of the vocals (which some say ruined it).
It is super prog to separate things into endless sub genres but Im with Fripp on his definition. He says he's a progressive musician not a prog musician. For me prog is just something that is used for marketing the work of progressive musicians. If its very prog Ill probably dig it but how I evaluate musicians is purely how progressive they are musically. One is genre, the other is an attitude towards music. Love Birds of Fire and yeah some slag Rush for being so tuneful but Moving Pictures is a special high watermark for musicianship and songwriting. Prog can have both if the right progressive musicians are involved.
Hey Scot! A little late today, been dealing with building stuff. Will tell you about it later. Well when i saw this thumbnail the only question was would TFTO finish in the top spot? Of course it would!! Using the prog meter was cool. Great vid brother. Talk to you later.👍☮️👑😎
Interesting Exercise. Both picking my top ten categories and an album from each. I agree that sometimes the Prog Archive's designations seem a bit arbitrary. You made a lot of great choices. I've really been getting into Canterbury and Italiano of late so those two genres have climbed my list, I've even separated them out from my general collection to have their own shelves. I'm giving this a quick off the cuff attempt, not so much the "proggiest" as my go-to choice in my favorite categories ranked. 1. Canterbury - Caravan's In the Land of Pink and Grey 2. Symphonic - Renaissance's Ashes Are Burning 3. Psych/Space Rock - Pink Floyd' Wish You Were Here edges out Nektar and Hypnos69 4. Progressivo Italiano - Le Orme - Felona E Sorona 5. Neo Prog - Pendragon's The Masquerade Overture 6. Heavy Prog - Uriah Heep's Demons and Wizards 7. Crossover - Procol Harum's Whiter Shade of Pale 8. Electic - Van Der Graaf Generator's H to He, Who Am the Only One 9. Prog Related - Ambrosia's debut edges Zep's Houses and Sabbath's Master of (Clearly I love a lot of the classics here. Really my sweet spot but is it prog?) 10. Proto Prog - The Doors or Who's Next Fun exercise that would likely yield wildly different results tomorrow. LOL
@TheProgCorner I agree, best beatles album, and I'd probably choose my favorite Led Zeppelin but it didn't come out early enough for it to be proto prog imo
Great video, great list. To my amazement I have most of the albums you mention… I did miss Van der Graaf, my fave band of all time, and the champions of the eclectic category in my humble opinion. But Red is an amazing album as well, just not very eclectic :). And Harmonium… haven''t played *that* one in years. Time to dust it off… As for post-rock: if you don't know it, give Ancestors "Of Sound Mind" a listen. I do love GYBE, but this album from Ancestors is (for me) somehow on a different emotional level. Grabs me every time I play it.
Good program! But I think too many subgenres compromised your ratings. On one hand, you're ranking albums that aren't prog. For example, "Birds of Fire". While fusion might be related to prog, it sounds different and has different roots. On the other hand, I think you missed albums comprised of serious prog. It's hard to get proggier than Gentle Giant, for instance, but no GG albums came up. Best, RS
@@TheProgCorner Yeah, so that makes me wonder, what drugs are the Progarchives on, and where can I get some? (Zeuhl? Fusion?) Of course, it would have been just as bad if King Crimson weren't mentioned. Great job, otherwise!
Interesting idea for a video! Yeah, the ProgArchives genre system can be a little wonky sometimes, though I isially get why they have the categories they do, the boundaries are a bit fuzzy so putting every band in exactly one of them doesn't really work. (Probably my biggest annoyance in how they categorize it is the fairly common misconception that Triumph is a prog band, rather than a band that's mostly pretty hard rock/AOR standard with a few dips into proggier territory on specific songs, leading to a lot of negative reviews from people treating it like bad prog as opposed to reviewing it on its own terms. I dunno, just because they're a three piece band from Canada that started putting out albums shortly after Rush did doesn't mean their music is all that similar. Maybe to their first couple albums but not past that. Anyway, that's a bit of a tangent.) I'm not all that familiar with Indo-Raga, but if I had to guess based on the name, it sounds like it would be prog with a heavy influence from Indian classical music. By heavy, I mean that it would probably be mostly bands actually from India who are more familiar with the nuances of how that music works, rather than just throwing in a sitar playing something vaguely exotic and calling it a day. Which, not to get too much on a soapbox, but I feel like that it has an unnecessarily uphill battle to getting any widespread attention from other countries due to subconscious biases, but might be a lot more prevalent in India. Though honestly I'd he really curious as to how that would sound, actually... That said I've never heard it, so maybe I'll look into that at some point! As for the categories I'm more familiar with, you did a pretty good job picking those! While the whole post-rock category isn't really that "capital P Prog" as you say, Lift Your Skinny Fists is just a fantastic album. And kudos for mentioning The Road of Bones - that was the first IQ album I listened to, and it's still a favorite of mine. I have tried a few of their other albums, but mostly other later ones like Dark Matter, Frequency, and Resistance, and The Road of Bones is the one that I keep going back to. I should check out some of their older stuff too, sometime. Speaking of which, a random idea I had that could be interesting, would you be interested sometime in making videos (maybe shorts even?) in the vein of "if you've never heard this band before, here's what to expect and a few recommendations for where to start with them"? Because a band's most successful albums or songs, or ones any one person deems their best, may not always be the best introduction to their music, and you've made comments to that extent on occasion before. And with prog there are a lot of bands and specific substyles that just don't have much recognition outside of the specific genre, so that sort of resource could be very helpful to someone just trying to get into their music. I say a few recommendations mainly because there may be different albums or tracks that serve as better entry points to different people based on what they're already familiar with. I get it if that's a bit vague of an idea, or if you're not interested in taking video suggestions from random commenters, but it could be neat all the same.
@@TheProgCorner Awesome! Even as a prog fan, sometimes looking at a large discography that I'm entirely unfamiliar with can be daunting, like, say, Big Big Train or The Flower Kings. So I'd be curious to hear what you's have to say on those bands, and others you've praised a lot that I'm less familiar with!
Another fantastic episode, brilliant bands and albums. My top 5 subgenres (with some of my favorite albums) are : 5. Canterbury Scene -Quiet Euphoria by Amoeba Split, Dominion by Zopp 4. Jazz fusion - Fifth by Krokofant, Chapter One by I Know You Well Miss Clara 3. Avant-garde - Rationalis Impetus by Arkitekture, With a Little Hell from My Friends by Greco Bastian , 2. Symphonic Prog - FSTS by Wobbler, Epilog by Anglagard, Ouroboros by Kotebel 1. Eclectic prog - City of the Sun by Seven Impale, Shamblemaths 2, 1000 Autunni by Ske, Of Things That Never Were by The Worm Ouroboros. Oh and a fantastic shirt. Cheers
Would think the first Mahavishnu Orchestra album "Inner Mounting Flame" would rank over Birds. I would pick Return to Forever's "Romantic Warrior" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@TheProgCorner yeah you can't go wrong with those two. As always love the channel. Between you and SOT I need another 24hrs in the day to catch up with all the recommendations.
Great list Scot! My favorite genre is Neo-Prog! SO MANY GREAT ONES! Hard to pick one? I would probably pick Marillion’s Afaid Of Sunlight. Scot you MUST HEAR Martigan’s Vision; it is a NEO- PROG DREAM!!!
Boom! Head explosion from sub- genre overload. Too much. Too much. Computer says NO! Actually, I have most of the albums you mentioned... I was listening to Kahn, Space... tonight. I have an original first edition vinyl album. Love a bit of Hillage...
Nice move including Amon Duul II's Yeti. It's a great example of how early Pink Floyd influenced German progressive rock music as a whole. If anyone has an interest in folk prog, then the two most progressive bands in this genre are definitely Comus and Dust Mountain. Both bands are closely related to King Crimson in terms of being dark, eerie, innovative and highly eclectic and original. Both bands can just as easily fit into Acid folk, or Pagan folk rock; Comus being acoustic, Dust Mountain electric and more rock slanted. Song to Comus and Hymns to Wilderness are albums worth checking out, especially if you're daring enough to pay Blair Witch Radio FM a visit. Scary stuff, disturbingly addictive!
You made some serious updates and modifications to Andy Edwards Prog-o- meter. But not really, he doesn't even consider Kansas. He says that they don't have enough of the "British Aesthetic". And he says it has to have that to truly be prog. Although he fudges his definition by including Zappa.
Great concept for a video! And you really nailed it. Delineated and described 16 sub-categories of prog, and highlighted the proggiest album in each, all in just over 16 Minutes! Wow! Great job!. Although some of the selections were obvious for anyone familiar with the channel (Tales, Red, Museo Rosenbach, etc.), there were also some surprises in there, as well as just a great primer on the different categories.
Doing This as I watch this video: Zeuhl: Magma live 1975 or any other live album by Magma Progressive Electronica: Anna Själv Tredje-Tussilago Fanfara (not my favourite sub genre) Rock in opposition: Samla Mammas Manna-Måltid Kraut: Can-Tago Mago (virtually impossible since there is so much good stuff out there) Jazzrock/fusion: Frank Zappa-Hot Rats (as impossible) Prog metal: Dream Theater-Scenes from a memory Psych/space rock: Khan-Space Shanty Neo prog: Marillion-Misplaced Childhood Postrock/mathrock: Meshuggah-Obzen Canterbury: Soft Machine-Volume Two Heavy Prog: Rush-Hemispheres Crossover prog: The Dear Hunter-ACT II: THE MEANING OF, & ALL THINGS REGARDING MS. LEADING Ecletic Prog: Gentle Giant-Acquiring the Taste Italian Prog: Il Balletto Di Bronzo-YS Symphonic Prog: Genesis-Selling England By the Pound
A prog folk album like nothing else: Hush (1971) by Extradition, from Australia. Up to AUD$4,000 has been paid for the original vinyl. Another folk prog album from Australia, Fool's Paradise (1975) by Madden and Harris.
That was interesting. I’m not bothering with any lists. Frankly I find all these sub-genres rather overwhelming. I can understand why there are sub-genres. Does Supertramp sound like Magma? Umm..not so much. Yet they are both prog. The best I can do is throw up my arms and toss in the towel. All I know is, I know what I like. In the end that’s all that really matters.
The 'Very High' section of the prog-o-meter is still not high enough for 'Tales From Topographic Oceans'.
Tales broke the Prog-O-Meter!!!
It goes to 11 ...
Zappa has his own "sub-genre."
Pizza on erf.
As it should be
URIAH HEEP British LEGENDS
Absolutely!!!!
Well done per usual.
I appreciate that.
Prog Folk (Kalandra)👌
There you go!!!!!! 👍👍❤️❤️
@@TheProgCorner Yup. They are going on tour with Heilung this year.👌
Great stuff Scot. Really enjoyed it. Canterbury. National health a fav.
Just amazing!!!
Hi Scot!! Excellent show!!! The joy, the energy you put into this video (and many others of course) is just amazing!!! Great records : King Crimson "Red", Mahavishnu Orchestra "Birds Of Fire", National Health, Harmonium, Museo Rochenbach, Eloy, Big Big Train, Rush "Moving Pictures". So glad you mentioned one of my favorite bands: Fairport Convention although I think only the first five albums have something of prog like "A Sailor's Life", "Sloth" or the great "Matty Groves" !! I like Quintessence too but I think it's much more psychedelic than prog. Jethro Tull I agree with you they have a lot of folk but much more blues and rock (even hard rock!)!. "TFTO" by Yes was the most expected choice and indeed it's a good album(not my favorite but who really cares??!!). See you my American friend!!
Antonio!!! Thank you!!!!
Amon Düül II's most progressive rock album is Wolf City. Perfect blend with psychedelic prog
Wolf City is terrific!!! Really enjoying AD2 a lot these days. It’s been fun exploring their discography.
100% agree. So many wild transitions in a lot of songs. Just an explosions of ideas and creativity on this album.
@@TheProgCornerJust a little reminder to give a listen to a great live album that you never heard before. Winwood DiMeola Shrieve Schultze in Yamashta's Go.
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As someone who's not really a prog fan Yeti is very enjoyable as a heavy psych album.
Wishbone Ash, for me is the best folk prog band (not named Jethro Tull that is) seriously underrated band
Yep. I have played my original Vinyl copy of Argus to death.
I think they are possibly underrated because they tend to release albums with not all prog tracks. Have seen them live in the UK, where I live. Excellent gig.
A great call. Argus is a masterpiece.
@@EclecticInstinctyes i was just thinkin, people say they are not prog, but they just feel like prog to me, more so then classic rock anyway, but they probably just fit in between, medium prog
Grey Area Prog!!!
@@TheProgCorner yes hehe, all i know is i love the band, and its not just 1 album i think theres alot of quality throughout the catalog
YES always #1!!
Absolutely!!!!!!
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Great video, but I feel the need to be that guy to point out that it’s Gojira, not Gorija. Either way, they are a great metal band.
I mispronounce something on EVERY video. But I didn’t even realize I did it that time!!! Thank you for correcting me!!! 👍👍👍
@@TheProgCornerGojira is the Japanese name for Godzilla. Fantastic band and nice that they got a mention🤘🏻
Where in the world is Kansas? One of the BEST at symphonic prog!
Should have at least been mentioned in the Symphonic category. One of my favorite bands ever!!!
Both of them....
No Progressive Pop category. Bloody well right I'm on strike! Free Jeff Wayne!
Progarchives need an overhaul methinks…
Post-rock sounds just like rock. . .michael Jackson is 10 times more ‘post rock’ than post rock. Haven’t heard prog post rock.
TFTO was not only my most played album of all, it is also my favorite Yes album.
Me too!!!!! 👍👍❤️❤️
Oooh! Could spend hours discussing some of the concepts mentioned here but I will say that, in terms of progginess (and I am the sole arbiter in these matters. Sorry, Scot and Andy's Progometer. I don't need a machine. I just know. 😁) I have always considered Egg (in the Canterbury subgenre) and Gentle Giant (in whatever category progarchives has them) to be the proggiest bands (not necessarily the best, but the proggiest) Anything considered Zeuhl must also be in the extremely proggy category. Now you know!
I’m sorry but you are mistaken - it is only my opinion that matters!!!!! But seriously, I adore Egg and Gentle Giant. Two of my all time favorite bands!!!!
Excellent Scot !...I would have to go with EGG ( The Polite Force ), but the Canterbury scene I love all of it. One of the strongest sub - genres for me. Thanks for minimizing them, it's too exhausting for anyone....😍
I love Egg!!!
Great shout out to Mahavishnu's "Birds Of Fire". Great idea for this vid Scott. Don't forget to give back the Meter to Andy when he's not looking !
It’s mine now!!!!!
Tangerine Dream, Eloy, IQ, Rush, King Crimson, Museo Rosenbach and Yes all great. Thank you Scot. Greetings from Harold's Prog Rock Show.
Harold!!!!!
For the 3 of you who need an explanation of the Prog-o-Meter™: th-cam.com/video/r5JXal2fgoo/w-d-xo.html
That Harmonium album is a recent acquisition for me. Fantastic! Also nice to hear you mention Fred Frith. Some really bizarre and exemplary stuff out there. I often play his awesome Gravity album. Cheers.
What a madman!!! Fred Frith needs more love…
Red as the most progressive eclectic album? Have you listened to VDGG's Pawn Hearts?
And Fripp appears on both!!!!
Nice. I feel the Friday noon Prog Radio listening will be interesting this week.
For sure!!!!
Hey - just discovered your channel. Great stuff!
For Math Rock - no mention of Dillinger Escape Plan? The Progometer may blow up after listening to “Calculating Infinity”
And while I love Dream Theatre, I was hoping for something prog-deeper in prog metal, such as Meshuggah or Gojira.
Anyway, great vid - and yes: Tales is an extraordinarily prog record!
You know, I didn’t mention ANY Math Rock bands. That’s my bad!!!
Mastodon-Crack the Sky. Prog masterpiece. Also, Prog -punk? NOMEANSNO did a 15 minute version of Bitches Brew plus many of their albums are extremely technical! Amazing band!
Very cool!!!
What a fun show. I never knew there were sub-genres and will have to investigate this further.
Does Andy know you 'borrowed' his prog-o-meter?
I didn’t ask!!!
I JUST STOLE IT!!!!!!
Technically, there are only three sub-genres of prog: Awesome, Super-Awesome and Mega-Awesome, but I appreciate your discussion of these sixteen "varieties."
Nice!!!! I love it.
Not sure if they are ‘P’ prog or prog at all but I wonder where you’d put Meshuggah? True pioneers.
Absolutely Prog!!!! Amazing musicians.
Proggiest Albums in General-1. England Garden Shed 2. K.C,-Lizard 3. Fire Ballet-Night on Bald Mountain 4. VDGG-H to He 5. Genesis-Nursery Cryme 6. Wizards-Soundtrack 7. Starcastle-Fountains of Light 8. Cathedral-Stained Glass Stories 9. Gong-Camembert Electrique 10. White Wing-1st album.
Garden Shed!!!
My Top Ten Prog Albums ever. 1. LTIA 2. Still Life 3. Fragile 4. Selling England 5. Islands 6. World Record 7. Red 8. Pawn Hearts 9. Nursery Cryme 10. Animals-BTW-Scott discovered you on Sea of Tranquility-I love your passion!
Sweet!!!! I’m back on SOT Sunday!!!
Excellent video Scot. I am still a bit torn as to why we need so many "sub genres". Who came up with them, and why? Are we supposed to box up our music and assign one of these to them? I remember Court of the Crimson King had no "prog" label at the time of it's release. Ya, I think it's safe to say that I seek great music and don't much care about the labels. I'm 60 years old, so I guess I'm officially "old school"
A few bands here to check out as always. Gratitude.
Labels are useful for lazy people (like me) that need help sorting things out!!!
Brilliant Scot! Yay 'Tales', the proggiest prog album of them all!🤩
You know it!!!!!
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Oh! I don’t know either!!!!
Ah, the Prog Archives. You gotta love that site even if they do make you scratch your head every now and then. Well Scott, I'm glad you mentioned Tangerine Dream. Not only are they my favorite electronic music artist but they're also my favorite music artist of all time. But personally I would have chosen Rubycon. A much proggier album methinks. But yeah, I can understand you not ranking Force Majeure too high on the "Prog-o-meter". I'd consider the title track to be quite proggy but the rest of the album is pretty weak in that area.
I almost went with Phaedra, and the Rubicon, but in the end I had never talked about Force Majeure so…
Comus First Utterance for Folk Prog. Also, I don't know if you have ever listened to Richard Dawson's Peasant but it is modern canticle prog.. uh.. yeah, gonna stand by that invented genre. top drawer! Top drawer lists!!
I have heard of Richard Dawson. And Comus is brilliant.
Excellent as usual Scot
Thanks, Michael!!! 👍👍👍
What a fantastic video have a wonderful day also do you play instruments ❤❤❤❤❤❤❤😊😊😊😊😊😊😊
I do!!!! Occasionally I’ll bust out a guitar or ukulele or play a little keyboard…
Ah, thank you for mentioning National Health. I found them via Egg followed by Hatfield & The North. Dave Stewart (keyboards) and Mont Campbell (b gtr / vox) are superb.
So good!!!!
Mate, where's progressive pop! Arguably the most influential song writing album in contemporary music is Laura Nyro's revolutionary, complex and conceptual 1968 album Eli and the Thirteenth Confession {"it blew everybody's mind" Todd Rundgren). Only perhaps surpassed in pop progginess by her 1969 album New York Tendaberry, for me the artistic pinnacle of modern songwriting. Its also about the singing.
That should definitely be a category. I hadn’t thought of adding any but so many great artists would fall beautifully into that heading.
Too many "subgenres" for me. I just call it all "prog", or in the case of bands that hold the middle ground between prog and classic, melodic rock, I prefer the term "art rock" (The Moody Blues, Alan Parsons, 10cc, BJH, and more recently Downes-Braide Association)
It’s insane!!!
In the extreme/avant garde metal subgenre I may highly recommend you to listen the incredible "Sol Niger Within", a 1997 album by Meshuggah's Fredrik Thordendal. I spoil a little bit: it's djent meets jazz fusion (Meshuggah meets Allan Holdsworth). Way beyond from its time.
Anything related to Meshuggah must be interesting!!!
I agree with you regarding Prog-Metal, that the best album is OCTAVARIUM by Dream Theater.
A curiosity: it is striking that several prestigious rock music critics, such as Pete Pardo, consider the title track (IMO a masterpiece and probably the band's best song) a weak song.
Recently you have done a show in which the majority of six critcs consider it the best song of the group.
Very interesting show, Scot!
It is arguably their finest moment!!!
Great vid. Yes progarchives has waaaaaaaay too many sub genres. But it gives them something to do I guess
We’re all a bit OC us prog heads…
Gentle giant and Egg!
RPI for the win though!!! ❤❤So much emotion and very symphonic.
Yes!!!
I think another genre that's excluded from ProgArchives, but that might've been included here, is prog soul. In my opinion, it's at least as legit as crossover prog.
Good call. Stevie Wonder was Prog in the seventies!!!
Well since Jethro Tull didn't fitt any of those categories, you must not consider them prog. They've got 2 of the greatest prog albums of all time, so it's hard to see how they didn't make any list. And when it comes to yes, I do love their music. It's they're singing I can't stand. I don't particularly like bands that have very high pitched singing . Although some of them have really superb music, if they had singers with a little bit deeper voices, I would like it a lot better. But in the end I always like your shows..Keep up the good work
Jethro Tull probably should have made this list…
Bands like Led Zeppelin, The Who and artists like David Bowie were as prog as it gets, every album different unlike today's so called prog bands. We classed them as prog back in the day. Yet you don't include them. Prog archives are correct to include them. Tangerine Dream and especially Klaus Schulze, as progressive as it gets.
What is prog these days, bands like Big Big Train are not prog. Looking backwards is not progressive, the true meaning seems to have gotten lost in the last twenty years.
Oh and yeah, Dream Theater are great but they aren't prog, not in the original sense. Most of these aren't prog really.
Sorry, very old git just having a moan.
Ha ha!!! And Progarchives does have Prog-related as a category but those bands are not eligible for year end listings on the site. Otherwithe Top 100 would be filled with classic rock…
Really nice list Scot ! But I’ve gotta look into some of those more obscure names that you mentioned.
And a major shout out to Eloy’s Ocean. It’s just a mysterious beauty of an epic voyage. Plus I love the drumming on that album, which at times is very reminiscent to the Professor. And the final track is an unforgettable composition that I could lose myself in every time. Can’t say enough about that album.
I love it so much!!!
Amazing! How about England. And I just wrote an improv song about Andy Edwards it makes no sense. Now I'll write one for you.
I can’t wait!
"Andy Edwards silver screen, cant tell them apart at all"
That’s a hit.
Hey if you like weird Space Rock shit-check out my 3 Albums I Improvised on my Strat last month-"1.Expedition Jupiter-2.First contact-the alien attack-r"-3.My Solar System Bucket list"-and "4.One Fine Crimson Sunset"-each recorded in one night. All Synths played on my Strat. Doobies encouraged....
Cyclone by TD is probably proggier than FM and maybe not as good but it's still pretty good and also very underrated because of the vocals (which some say ruined it).
I love Cyclone!!! That whole period - the Virgin years…amazing.
Would have thought "Songs From The Wood" would be the proggiest Folk rock prog album of all time. No?
Yeah, but I talk about JT all the time so I thought I’d mix it up!!!
It is super prog to separate things into endless sub genres but Im with Fripp on his definition. He says he's a progressive musician not a prog musician. For me prog is just something that is used for marketing the work of progressive musicians. If its very prog Ill probably dig it but how I evaluate musicians is purely how progressive they are musically. One is genre, the other is an attitude towards music. Love Birds of Fire and yeah some slag Rush for being so tuneful but Moving Pictures is a special high watermark for musicianship and songwriting. Prog can have both if the right progressive musicians are involved.
Prog is more an attitude than a genre!!!
I always believe theres 2 genres of all music, good and bad. That said I still regard Black Sabbaths debut as prog same as some Parliament.
Absolutely!!! And Stevie Wonder too.
Hey Scot help sometimes I accidentally fall asleep while listening to epics😢(I’m always tired)
Some epics can be a grind but I am putting together the ultimate list of Prog Epics for Sunday’s live show!!!
Asked before what constitutes prog Scot? So many grey areas! Some might say most has been since the late 60s? My definition is different to most.
I have no idea. But I know it when I hear it!!! I do like the idea of a big tent. Prog vs progressive music.
Sandoz in the Rain.
I thought for you Scot Tales would have broke the Prog-O-Meter
It almost did!!!!!
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Hey Scot! A little late today, been dealing with building stuff. Will tell you about it later. Well when i saw this thumbnail the only question was would TFTO finish in the top spot? Of course it would!! Using the prog meter was cool. Great vid brother. Talk to you later.👍☮️👑😎
Thank you, sir!
@@TheProgCorner My pleasure as always!👍😎
How come sleepy hollow legend usbt on this list? It's git everything prog you xan think if
Super Prog!!!
I’d include Barren Dream by Mr. Sirius
Mr Sirius!!!! Awesome.
HELLO I DO NOT UNDERSTAND THE SUB GENRE ITS OBSCURE MY FAVORITE IS SYMPHONIC
It’s a bit silly, isn’t it?
Would you consider Cardiacs next time
I’m planning on doing a Cardiacs episode soon!!!
Love me some Topographic Oceans 🤘🤘🤘
Absolutely!!!!
About indo-prog: Maybe you would enjoy Shakti with John McLaughlin!
Good call. I have heard that!!!!
Stop mentioning Egg Scott ! Dont want them too popular ! :-)
I hear you!!!! Good thing is I won’t be ranking their (three) albums any time soon…
To me everything is eclectic prog xD
Me too!!!
A great video thanks for your time 😊
Thank you!!!
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Kraut Rock, Amon Düül is a great choice. Me, personally, I would have prefered "Kraan".
Oh!!! Nice!!!!
@@TheProgCorner My recommendation: th-cam.com/video/4yB6SLzIAC8/w-d-xo.html Interesting Line up: Saxophone, Drums, Guitar, Bass.
A great video Scot."Blackwater Park" by Opeth is a great prog metal album.
Opeth!!!!
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Great video, great bands, more videos like this is welcomed !!!! Peace
This was a great episode. And it took me no time at all to put together. Those are the best…
@@TheProgCorner more, more, more !!
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Interesting Exercise. Both picking my top ten categories and an album from each. I agree that sometimes the Prog Archive's designations seem a bit arbitrary. You made a lot of great choices. I've really been getting into Canterbury and Italiano of late so those two genres have climbed my list, I've even separated them out from my general collection to have their own shelves. I'm giving this a quick off the cuff attempt, not so much the "proggiest" as my go-to choice in my favorite categories ranked.
1. Canterbury - Caravan's In the Land of Pink and Grey
2. Symphonic - Renaissance's Ashes Are Burning
3. Psych/Space Rock - Pink Floyd' Wish You Were Here edges out Nektar and Hypnos69
4. Progressivo Italiano - Le Orme - Felona E Sorona
5. Neo Prog - Pendragon's The Masquerade Overture
6. Heavy Prog - Uriah Heep's Demons and Wizards
7. Crossover - Procol Harum's Whiter Shade of Pale
8. Electic - Van Der Graaf Generator's H to He, Who Am the Only One
9. Prog Related - Ambrosia's debut edges Zep's Houses and Sabbath's Master of (Clearly I love a lot of the classics here. Really my sweet spot but is it prog?)
10. Proto Prog - The Doors or Who's Next
Fun exercise that would likely yield wildly different results tomorrow. LOL
I felt the need to sort those sub genres out. 16 is enough!!!
Neo MARILLION ❤ Them
Scot, you are teaching me SOO much about these sub-genres!! Thank You So Much!! 🤗
The Professor is always on call with flexible office hours…
Your are just SOO Fabulous!! 🤗
Prog Folk, no Jethro Tull? Thick as a Brick? A Passion Play? I weep 😢
I love those two albums but they don’t sound very folky to me. Songs From The Wood perhaps…
@@TheProgCornerI dont care just squeeze them in somewhere! lol
I think it wouldve been pretty cool to hear what you think the "proggiest" proto prog album was. Even if its not really prog
I would be tempted to go with Sgt Peppers
@TheProgCorner I agree, best beatles album, and I'd probably choose my favorite Led Zeppelin but it didn't come out early enough for it to be proto prog imo
Excellent!
Angel-S/T, 1975 =POMP Rock
So good!!!!! Those first two Angel albums…
'The Fortune' is a Work of Pure Pomp Genius!!!@@TheProgCorner
Great video, great list. To my amazement I have most of the albums you mention… I did miss Van der Graaf, my fave band of all time, and the champions of the eclectic category in my humble opinion. But Red is an amazing album as well, just not very eclectic :). And Harmonium… haven''t played *that* one in years. Time to dust it off…
As for post-rock: if you don't know it, give Ancestors "Of Sound Mind" a listen. I do love GYBE, but this album from Ancestors is (for me) somehow on a different emotional level. Grabs me every time I play it.
I haven’t heard that one!!! Definitely need to check it out!!! 👍👍👍
@@TheProgCorner Curious to hear your opinion in due time… Have fun!
Thank you!!!
Good program! But I think too many subgenres compromised your ratings. On one hand, you're ranking albums that aren't prog. For example, "Birds of Fire". While fusion might be related to prog, it sounds different and has different roots.
On the other hand, I think you missed albums comprised of serious prog. It's hard to get proggier than Gentle Giant, for instance, but no GG albums came up. Best, RS
Hey, I didn’t come up with these!!!! Blame Progarchives!!! And yeah, Gentle Giant vs King Crimson in the “eclectic” category was tough!!!!
@@TheProgCorner Yeah, so that makes me wonder, what drugs are the Progarchives on, and where can I get some? (Zeuhl? Fusion?) Of course, it would have been just as bad if King Crimson weren't mentioned. Great job, otherwise!
@@TheProgCorner Museo Rosenbach is darn good! "Crime of the Century" is definitely a 'must have' no matter what you call it!
Interesting idea for a video! Yeah, the ProgArchives genre system can be a little wonky sometimes, though I isially get why they have the categories they do, the boundaries are a bit fuzzy so putting every band in exactly one of them doesn't really work. (Probably my biggest annoyance in how they categorize it is the fairly common misconception that Triumph is a prog band, rather than a band that's mostly pretty hard rock/AOR standard with a few dips into proggier territory on specific songs, leading to a lot of negative reviews from people treating it like bad prog as opposed to reviewing it on its own terms. I dunno, just because they're a three piece band from Canada that started putting out albums shortly after Rush did doesn't mean their music is all that similar. Maybe to their first couple albums but not past that. Anyway, that's a bit of a tangent.)
I'm not all that familiar with Indo-Raga, but if I had to guess based on the name, it sounds like it would be prog with a heavy influence from Indian classical music. By heavy, I mean that it would probably be mostly bands actually from India who are more familiar with the nuances of how that music works, rather than just throwing in a sitar playing something vaguely exotic and calling it a day. Which, not to get too much on a soapbox, but I feel like that it has an unnecessarily uphill battle to getting any widespread attention from other countries due to subconscious biases, but might be a lot more prevalent in India. Though honestly I'd he really curious as to how that would sound, actually... That said I've never heard it, so maybe I'll look into that at some point!
As for the categories I'm more familiar with, you did a pretty good job picking those! While the whole post-rock category isn't really that "capital P Prog" as you say, Lift Your Skinny Fists is just a fantastic album. And kudos for mentioning The Road of Bones - that was the first IQ album I listened to, and it's still a favorite of mine. I have tried a few of their other albums, but mostly other later ones like Dark Matter, Frequency, and Resistance, and The Road of Bones is the one that I keep going back to. I should check out some of their older stuff too, sometime.
Speaking of which, a random idea I had that could be interesting, would you be interested sometime in making videos (maybe shorts even?) in the vein of "if you've never heard this band before, here's what to expect and a few recommendations for where to start with them"? Because a band's most successful albums or songs, or ones any one person deems their best, may not always be the best introduction to their music, and you've made comments to that extent on occasion before. And with prog there are a lot of bands and specific substyles that just don't have much recognition outside of the specific genre, so that sort of resource could be very helpful to someone just trying to get into their music. I say a few recommendations mainly because there may be different albums or tracks that serve as better entry points to different people based on what they're already familiar with. I get it if that's a bit vague of an idea, or if you're not interested in taking video suggestions from random commenters, but it could be neat all the same.
I was thinking about something quite similar for a series of episodes!!!!
@@TheProgCorner Awesome! Even as a prog fan, sometimes looking at a large discography that I'm entirely unfamiliar with can be daunting, like, say, Big Big Train or The Flower Kings. So I'd be curious to hear what you's have to say on those bands, and others you've praised a lot that I'm less familiar with!
I’m doing a BBT ranking next week!!! Here’s my recent Flower Kings episode:
th-cam.com/video/sJK5IYSRKN4/w-d-xo.htmlsi=LyXX0nXyWyKzwAAf
Scot, Don Lax who played violin in Quella Vecchia Locanda has a youtube channel! I would love to see you interview him!
Oh!!! Does he? I will try to connect with him. I love QVL - as you well know!!!!
@@TheProgCorner Have you managed to connect with him?
Yeah, I reached out to him. I haven’t heard back yet…
Excellent Prog-nosis
Very good!!!! Thank you!!!!
Another fantastic episode, brilliant bands and albums. My top 5 subgenres (with some of my favorite albums) are : 5. Canterbury Scene -Quiet Euphoria by Amoeba Split, Dominion by Zopp 4. Jazz fusion - Fifth by Krokofant, Chapter One by I Know You Well Miss Clara 3. Avant-garde - Rationalis Impetus by Arkitekture, With a Little Hell from My Friends by Greco Bastian , 2. Symphonic Prog - FSTS by Wobbler, Epilog by Anglagard, Ouroboros by Kotebel 1. Eclectic prog - City of the Sun by Seven Impale, Shamblemaths 2, 1000 Autunni by Ske, Of Things That Never Were by The Worm Ouroboros. Oh and a fantastic shirt. Cheers
Seven Impale, Ske, Shamblemaths.
You know you’re speaking my language.
Would think the first Mahavishnu Orchestra album "Inner Mounting Flame" would rank over Birds. I would pick Return to Forever's "Romantic Warrior" ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Hey, I love the first two Mahavishnu Orchestra albums almost equally. That original lineup blows my mind!!!!
@@TheProgCorner yeah you can't go wrong with those two. As always love the channel. Between you and SOT I need another 24hrs in the day to catch up with all the recommendations.
I’ll be back on SOT over the weekend!!!
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Great list Scot! My favorite genre is Neo-Prog! SO MANY GREAT ONES! Hard to pick one? I would probably pick Marillion’s Afaid Of Sunlight. Scot you MUST HEAR Martigan’s Vision; it is a NEO- PROG DREAM!!!
I haven’t heard that!!!
Boom! Head explosion from sub- genre overload. Too much. Too much. Computer says NO!
Actually, I have most of the albums you mentioned...
I was listening to Kahn, Space... tonight. I have an original first edition vinyl album. Love a bit of Hillage...
Way too much!!!
Nice move including Amon Duul II's Yeti. It's a great example of how early Pink Floyd influenced German progressive rock music as a whole.
If anyone has an interest in folk prog, then the two most progressive bands in this genre are definitely Comus and Dust Mountain. Both bands are closely related to King Crimson in terms of being dark, eerie, innovative and highly eclectic and original. Both bands can just as easily fit into Acid folk, or Pagan folk rock; Comus being acoustic, Dust Mountain electric and more rock slanted. Song to Comus and Hymns to Wilderness are albums worth checking out, especially if you're daring enough to pay Blair Witch Radio FM a visit. Scary stuff, disturbingly addictive!
Comus was on my mind but I went with Harmonium!!! Good call!!!!
Do you label Ihsahn as Symphonic Avant-Metal like I do or Symphonic Prog-Metal? Just wondering?
A good question!!!
Great seeing War of the Worlds behind you.....awsome show!!!!
So good!!!!
This was so much fun. I love Prog, and this was a great overview. God Save King Chucky!
Thanks, Don!!! Save that king!!!
What a deep dive! Great episode my man. For some reason i really love Zeuhl and RIO. And where would you put All Traps on Earth's A Drop of Light?
Where indeed!!! Kinda Zeuhl. Kinda Symphonic…
You made some serious updates and modifications to Andy Edwards Prog-o- meter. But not really, he doesn't even consider Kansas. He says that they don't have enough of the "British Aesthetic". And he says it has to have that to truly be prog. Although he fudges his definition by including Zappa.
The entirety of the massive RPI canon disagrees with the esteemed Mr. Edwards!!!
Prog adjacent Nick Cave just announced a new Bad Seeds album. Great day!!!
Love Nick Cave.
Great concept for a video! And you really nailed it. Delineated and described 16 sub-categories of prog, and highlighted the proggiest album in each, all in just over 16 Minutes! Wow! Great job!. Although some of the selections were obvious for anyone familiar with the channel (Tales, Red, Museo Rosenbach, etc.), there were also some surprises in there, as well as just a great primer on the different categories.
That was a lot of fun!!!
Thanks for that, Scot! (I must admit most of those sub genre titles really mean nothing to me though). 😊😊
I know what you mean!!!!👍👍
Too many great records! Great video, gotta love Tales!
(Also, as a book nerd, I love the Harry Potter Shirt!)
Hey now!!! Nerd alert!!! (Guilty as charged…)
nice video, my pick for proggiest tangerine dream is definitely cyclone
Cyclone is awesome too!!!!!! 👍👍
👏👏👏 HELLO my PROG Rock Professor Scot ♥️🎸🎶🎶
Hello, Lisa!!!
Doing This as I watch this video:
Zeuhl: Magma live 1975 or any other live album by Magma
Progressive Electronica: Anna Själv Tredje-Tussilago Fanfara (not my favourite sub genre)
Rock in opposition: Samla Mammas Manna-Måltid
Kraut: Can-Tago Mago (virtually impossible since there is so much good stuff out there)
Jazzrock/fusion: Frank Zappa-Hot Rats (as impossible)
Prog metal: Dream Theater-Scenes from a memory
Psych/space rock: Khan-Space Shanty
Neo prog: Marillion-Misplaced Childhood
Postrock/mathrock: Meshuggah-Obzen
Canterbury: Soft Machine-Volume Two
Heavy Prog: Rush-Hemispheres
Crossover prog: The Dear Hunter-ACT II: THE MEANING OF, & ALL THINGS REGARDING MS. LEADING
Ecletic Prog: Gentle Giant-Acquiring the Taste
Italian Prog: Il Balletto Di Bronzo-YS
Symphonic Prog: Genesis-Selling England By the Pound
Outstanding!!!!
@@TheProgCorner thanks man. Great and nerdy way to list favourite bands!
A prog folk album like nothing else: Hush (1971) by Extradition, from Australia. Up to AUD$4,000 has been paid for the original vinyl. Another folk prog album from Australia, Fool's Paradise (1975) by Madden and Harris.
Wow!!! That’s a lot of money!!! 🇦🇺
@@TheProgCorner Crazy. Even reissues go for $300. Silly prices for non collectors.
Excellent! 🔥🔥
Mark!!!!
Incredible music x
That was interesting. I’m not bothering with any lists.
Frankly I find all these sub-genres rather overwhelming.
I can understand why there are sub-genres. Does
Supertramp sound like Magma? Umm..not so much.
Yet they are both prog. The best I can do is throw up my
arms and toss in the towel. All I know is, I know what I like.
In the end that’s all that really matters.
That’s the best way to deal with it!!!!
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