CAR WASH SHOWDOWN 💥💦 Soap vs. ONR (Rinseless Wash)
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 เม.ย. 2022
- The cars of Boise have been subjected to yet another round of "dirty rain" and this time Yvan Lacroix was in town to experience it. Of course, "dirty rain" means that there are a ton of cars to be cleaned, and today's filthy Ford Mustang GT was no exception. In the spirit of competition, Yvan challenges Anthony to a faceoff: The traditional soap & water car wash method using Koch Chemie KCX Gentle Snow Foam (GSF), versus Optimum No-Rinse rinseless wash.
So, who won? Which method cleans better? You're just gonna have to watch to find out!
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Yvan is usually so serious he was on a hot streak cracking jokes here. 😂😂
Thank you.
Fabulous to see Ivan again. You both did a great job. Cool test. Love both systems.
Keep up the quality content. Be well. 🍀
Great stuff. I love both. If I'm wanting to be efficient and just get it done, I use ONR. If I want to have fun I'm usually using soap. It's just a more joyous experience for some reason.
Love this. Great to see Yvan in there AND doing a regular wash. Fun video with good info
Thank you
Write this date on the calendar, the legendary Yvan Lacroix using foam and soap!!
Folks that use Rinseless love it. Those that haven't are really missing out. Great video guys. Kinda funny watching Yvan being the "soap" guy!
Big pop for the bucket switch didn’t see that coming lol 🧼🔥
Oh yeah me neither
I’ve been using ONR for clay lube, drying aid, water spot cleanup, etc, but never tried a full wash with it until today and guess how I’m cleaning my 5 appointments tomorrow? ONR BABY. Can’t believe how easy it was and how well it did even with some bugs caked up on my front bumper. Washed my car in 20 minutes.
For maintenance washes I see no reason to pressure wash a vehicle anymore.
I love both methods. I actually do a pre rinse foam the lowers & wheels and ONR the rest off the car. I get great results but I’m not fighting water spots & getting water into every crack & crevices that I end up getting water spots from or even ruining my coating application
I really liked this video both of you have great chemistry and are fun to watch. It took a moment to get used to Mr Lacroix without the rinseless but both sides look amazing. And he always dresses to impress, and the stjarnagloss has a beautiful finish. Absolutely great job
Thank you
Thank you so much for makeing this video I love ONR. Only way to wash a vehicle for me.
Thanks! Nice explanation!!!
Fantastic info! Proof is right here folks. Use what works for you and don’t hate on it until you try it!
That should be a T Shirt.
Except ONR kinda does hate on bucket wash lol. They say it's inferior. But seems their marketing has changed idk
Seeing Ivan with a Foamgun makes me feel uncomfortable. Its like a vegan eating a steak, it just isn't right :D
Humans aren’t vegans. There nothing wrong with a ‘vegan’ eating a steak hahaha
He causes three different universes to implode when he sprayed it
All kinds of wrong 🤣
Actually every part of a vegan eating a steak is right lol
Nice to see you back Mr Yvan :-0). Thank You for the video!
Absolutely super editing. WELL DONE!
I use ONR when our cars aren’t too dirty or in winter when the weather is not conducive. I have to say I love Yvan washing cars in a long-sleeved shirt and bow tie - not my usual attire!
I like ONR but my main hesitancy is scratching. I would love to see a freshly corrected vehicle left to get dirty and then do this test again and check the surface for scratches
YES
Yes that what I wanna see?
Me too
Same here.
Why not try it out and make the video for us 😉
Man I love all your videos and when Ivan is in town and shoots video with you, they are always very special. He is the rule book on detailing. Great video and knowledge. Love all your towels too!
Thank you
Awsome job guys👍🏻
Great vid as always guys be interested in talking about rinceless from peeps in the states to UK I love the waterless rinseless method
Tbh this video had no reason to go so hard. When Yvan hit the beat drop with the foam cannon was crazy!
Soap cleans better but on maintained vehicles I do a monthly to bi-monthly soap wash and rinsless wash weekly on a coated vehicle. Hard to find an hour to wash a car every week with kids and no daycare or babysitter, especially when your little one uses a stairs steel wire brush to clean your door panel😪.
Ivan's facial hair needs it's own channel.
There’s more of it here
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I use ONR or ONRW&W 99% of the time nowadays as it has proven itself for me. But if my cars are really dirty I do like to pre-wash it using 3D Pre-Soak and a foam cannon. And if I'm doing a decon on them I will usually do a traditional two-bucket soap wash preceded with the foam cannon.
ONR is a drying aid too. I’ve used it for a few years and it’s great, but it’s true about foam, I do miss the foam of a shampoo
This was awesome. I switched to Rinseless. It is faster. Yvan is the man. Thank you for the content.
Thank you for watching.
ONR is our "preferred" "method ALWAYS (mobile or shop)
I love you guys thank you
I’m new to this space. (We recently purchased a new car.) This was a helpful video. Thank you. Thought I saw Yvan mention on another channel that you can (should?) do a rinse after the pre-wash spray of the rinse-less agent. Something about it incapsulating the dirt within the polymers. Can somebody please clarify for me? Many thx.
ONR is more economical but washing my car with soap is more satisfying to me. Love seeing the suds slide off and rinsing the car with a hose.
I pre rinse all the time in the winter too get salt and chunks off. Then rinseless in the garage after things warm up.
What do you do with the black sponge after each use ? Does it need to be washed in machine or air dry? How do you get into the tighter areas the black sponge won’t get?
How have you got the Hexagon light mounted in the ceiling?
Some people still don’t believe RW is safer.
Wash my car every week in the UK , yes .. shocker 😬 love the product, no water spots or swirls 👍🇬🇧
I'm in the UK too and switching to ONR. Do you use a wax or sealant at anytime?
@@stevebrown3850 I currently using gtechniq c2v3
@@Alan-N Thanks. I'll check out the gtechniq.
Would be nice to see the difference on a corrected soft paint to see which caused the most swirls
Does anyone use a boars hair brush for general washing? I have longer one from Griots purchased many years ago. Are those any riskier for scratching than other choices???
How do you wash the fabric top with onr?
Nice one. I'm still not sure I understand the difference between drying aid and lubrication aid. Do you call it lubrication aid when you spray it on the towel vs on the paint?
Took me me a while to get into rinseless wash felt weird the first ten time but started getting use to it. It works particularly well if you have coating and well maintained vehicle.
I just add a few droplets of ONR to my foam cannon to help encapsulate the dirt even more effectively
Can you use the rinseless method in direct sunlight??
good to see that the cameraman
having fun
Is detail spray considered a drying agent?
What is that in the floor that you are washing on? Is it because there’s no drains in the floor?
I personally would have liked to see the two methods done (pre treat, snow foam and two bucket method with wash mitt, towel dry) on a car that has had paint correction then see if either one has created any marks or swirls to the paint considering the argument has been made that rinse less is safer or is it just safer for novices?
Ill have to remember to get my jacket and bow tie out when i wash my car
Is it a terrible idea to use ONR *without* the specific sponges? I know Yvan mentioned microfibre towels being a problem in comparison to the sponge, but are they really terrible with ONR?
I live in Australia and sourcing the ONR sponge is cost prohibitive.
First time I've ever seen Ivan without a coat.
What's the size of the wash mat
Rinseless always!
Always entertaining and informative! Anyone know who won the arm wrestle? My bets on Yvan!
Retired bod vs Dad bod…
But how to check if the soap left the film ?
Question. Is there any advantage in mixing a PH balanced soap with a rinse less wash to help separate dirt and add lubricity?
No unfortunately there are no benefits to doing that
Why not use both? My wash process starts with a ONR presoak to remove most of the contaminates, a water rinse followed by foam applied from a Marolex pump sprayer and then a soap bath. For extremely dirty areas I throw in some Green Star. The wash mitt glides in slickness over the surface for that ultimate glossy clean look! If I had access to a pressure washer, I'd jump straight into a foam cannon, but I generally use a Worx Hyrdoshot for most of my washes.
@KrisClean hey Kris, I just saw this notification. I am an apartment dweller currently so I don't have access to my pressure washer so limitations with water exist. A good presoak with products like ONR and KCX GS are very helpful. I just find ONR helps for surface lubricity for soap washes when foam cannons are not a part of the process.
@@nomad509 what about the top half ONR and lower half traditional?
I use both but a little differently. I live in a condo (no hose) but live near a wand wash. Starting at the wand wash, I bring my own pump sprayer (iK Pro Foam 2) and pre-soak with traditional car soap foam (DIYDetail Incredible Suds), then pressure wash with the "spotless rinse" water. Then back at the condo, I pre-soak with ONR with the pump sprayer, then 2-bucket wash with ONR. So the only mechanical contact occurs after pre-soaking with both soap and ONR.
You guys are the super pros but one thing that rinse less beats traditional wash with soap and a pressure washer is the water drips that hide in the cracks what a headache chasing them away sure takes more time using a air hose or blow gun.
What brand is the water containment matt you guys using? need one like that
From Detail Plus I believe.
I like rinseless for those quick in between main wash washes. Just to keep things nice and shiny. However for actual regular maintenance "deep cleans" I still prefer soap. Particulary for my multi-stage washes I like to first foam pre-treat with a high activity foam like Bilt Hamber Touchless or Auto Foam (into which I might add some Green Star, or Bilt Hamber Surfex HD). Followed by a 2 bucket wash with something like Carpro Reset or Descale, Koch Chemie GSF or Reactivation shampoo. All that followed by a properly lubricated towel dry with something like a Beadmaker/Dream Maker mix, Avalon King Armor Shield Lite, Shine Supply Punch-It, DIY Detail Ceramic Gloss, and many more...Then I sit back light up a stogie and stare into the infinite abyss of nothingness and meaninglessness for 5-10 minutes...
Rinseless will never clean or be as slick as a quality soap, specifically a soap like carpro reset or gsf.
@@whitegoodman7465 Kinda depends on your starting point. But generally I agree. It's good for quick maintenance washes of well maintained vehicles, kinda in between proper decon washes. Or if you don't have access to lots of water, and all the tools.
@@whitegoodman7465 It can also be good for multi-purpose uses, if you don't want to stock up on products. Like a lube, a light detailer, or for interior wipe downs. Depending on which rinseless.
Any idea when the Ultra Black Sponge will be available?
You can get a car clean with a grout sponge and dawn dish soap..does it look clean? yes..did you mar the hell out of the paint? yes. Same thing applies here. Its not the end result, its the process and steps.
Bought 1.32 gallons of GSF 😂 I guess I’ll just spray it on my car for fun when I’ve got the extra time.
I didn't realize you can use the 1-dollar car wash sprayer as a foam gun by just removing the extension like what Yvan did in 3:47? Is this accurate on all dollar car wash sprayer? (Sorry if I'm calling it sprayer as I don't know what it's called, lol).
Haha no that’s definitely not something you can normally do on a car wash wand. The want they use in this video is a special “short nose” unit from MTM Hydro that allows you to swap the lance for a foam cannon, etc. or just use it as a short handle with a nozzle and no wand.
Look up the magnum 28 kit by MTM hydro on the rag company’s website.
I switched from foam washing to Wolfgang Uber rinseless and I love the amount of time I save washing my cars
I noticed the YETI logo on the wash/rinse bucket. Is YETI into car detailing business now?
Is there any point to pre rinse if your going to use foam? Surely a dry surface will allow the product more contact and therefore clean better.
I like to pre-rinse because it knocks all the big stuff off the car. Just foaming can leave the dust and pollen in the foam, then your wash media rubs it into the paint. It just seems safer to rinse first since the pressure washer is already out.
@@mcmahonem1 don't you pressure wash the foam before doing a contact wash with shampoo?
@@mcmahonem1 Have a watch of Forensic Detailing video about prerinse.
There is no need to pre-rinse if the foam we is being used as a pre-wash before a contact wash, since the pre-wash will be rinses.
In this video the pre-rinse is necessary because they both did a 1 step contact wash and you want to get surface dirt off before rubbing it in with the contact step.
What would’ve been interesting if they switched buckets AND wardrobe. How are they going to clean the stripe?
We cleaned it with ONR.
You guys really need to show a paint corrected surface and then clean afterwards to show if rinseless with a stone scratches or not. I'm a rinseless person myself, so not knocking the process, but that would be the way to win over the soap heads
Good luck with this request lol. They know that's what most serious detailing hobbiest's want to see, and yet we'll never get it. Just gonna have to test in person
We already know that a good rinseless is safer for clear coat than soap, which is why it was invented in the first place. I was sceptical, too, before I tried it. Now I hardly foam, because I can get a wash done in the amount of time it takes to setup the pressure washer, fill the cannon, fill buckets, deal with long hoses, etc.
Wouldn’t matter. Could rinseless wash a perfect paint car and people would still complain about the smallest minute issue. Plus, how many people 1) actually have true perfect or highly corrected paint 2) generally people with corrected paint are going to have it coated and/or garage kept anyway.
It’s not just rinseless. It’s every freaking detail product, this industry is fulll of toxic conversations lol. All the sane & kind people know what’s really up.
@@scottmattern482 I take your word for it, I'm just yet to see an in depth video on black paint comparing the two and I'm not sure why. If anyone has any links to a video, I'd be happy to check it out
@@derek723 you want to see a video of a rinseless being safely used? There are like 1,000 on this channel alone.
Nice to see a car coated with the abrasive, volcanic glass-like dust of eastern Oregon and Idaho. Nasty stuff. That and they use volcanic cinders in lieu of sand in winter which is great for your paint and windshields. :/
Kinda odd seeing Yvan pressure rinsing a car with water when previously it's been emphasized pressure rinsing with water can cause dirt to scratch paint. Then again, was that water or water with an additive in it?
ONR kicks arshhhhh!
Before i watch. Yvan is going to be the winner is my guess.
You’re going to have to watch.
Some major OCD going on here.
My system:
Bucket of soapy water, clean sponge and the garden hose.
Soap side is definitely more glossy and appears to be cleaner. Lol
When I am preparing for a ceramic coating what is the substitute for a drying aid, something without protection
Could I use IPA panel preparation spray?
Check out Ethos Detox. Very good panel prep.
No need for a drying aid in that scenario since your going to be polishing.
what dilution did you use with gsf?
ONR
wait? wont the rinse less method scratch the paint when you run a sponge over dirt?
Yes, they claim it wont but it does. Its common sense. If your gonna wipe off instead of rinsing, expect more scratches.
False
Which would be better to use on corrected paint? What about on ceramic coated paint?
The one you prefer
It's not in the instructions but it is a possibility 🤣
Just want to point out the get is a prewash not a shampoo soap for the bucket.... wrong product.
Not sure if this video answered any questions..I guess use a drying aid
You know you have money when you’re using yetti buckets 😊
you should test which method applies less scratches and swirls after a correction.
paint correction. park outside for 2 weeks to mimic cure time on a ceramic coating. tape down the center. brand new microfibers, wash mitts, drying towel. take a video of the car after the wash to see which method applies the least scratches.
Rinseless for sure, I will never use soap again.
Speaking from a customer point of view I would prefer seeing soap than not just Speaking for myself
How do you clean muddy, fabric wheel liners with waterless wash? 🫢
Maybe this will finally but those stupid “soap gets the car cleaner” comments to rest (for like 5 minutes lol)
Never understood how a clean car could not be clean
Guessing you've never had a black car. There's clean, then there's black car clean cause you still find dirt and grime lol
“A state over in Oregon…”
We all want to know. How did you clean the stripe? Been doing ONR and soap methods. Be good at both!
ONR, no need to dry the rest of the car.
@@Detailers-Business-Academy ha I knew it! While I just onr my vehicle.
I've been using ONR for years. I live in the UK and honestly there are instances where ONR does not remove the road oils from the paintwork where a soap will. I've had to repeatedly go over a panel 3 or 4 times with ONR to remove the film that soap would emulsify in one pass. That's the only downside to it. That's where a pre-wash comes in that emulsifies 95% of the grime on the car.
Try McKee's N-914. I switched after using ONR for years. It just cleans better. Also spraying the panel down and letting it soak a bit is a massive help.
@@JungleLarry I would love to. Its just not available in the UK
@@martin05916 Don't feel too bad about missing the N-914. It is a fantastic product. However, while N-914 does clean harder to clean oils etc. it DOES NOT seem to provide the same level of scratch protection. ONR uses polymers that surround the dirt particles and remain even after an area might dry. Shy of the user being relatively careless those polymers coating the dirt do help protect the surface. N-914 uses a surfactant that while feeling slick and certainly helping, does not seem to protect on quite the same level. I am a FAN of both N-914 and ONR. I have and use both. The fans of each camp will not budge an inch on the other it seems. Because it works so well for the most part, the N-914 guys can't seem to recognize that slick solution does not automatically mean top tier scratch protection. The ONR folks struggle sometimes to recognize how easily N-914 can clean things that may take extra effort with ONR. Most soap people can't grasp that with a rinseless wash, your towel IS SUPPOSED TO often pick up dirt that might still be encapsulated in the remaining water on the car surface and that is actually *just fine* - even good. There are so many adherents to various systems that won't give an inch on anything else. Don't automatically mistake "slickness" feelings as always indicating the measure of actual protection. If it's oils I want to clean, OR I am washing just before applying a last stage protection (LSP) product, I reach for the N-914. If it is dust, etc. the ONR is the go to. They are both great, but while the ONR is not as potent breaking up oils, I am not convinced that (despite the slickness) the N-914 protects as well (or gets the particles to drop in the bucket nearly as well - yes, I do one bucket and the ultra black sponge). If your car is in need of the soap - just add ONR to your soap (I also love to do this) since it can protect your car from a potentially more harmful plain old soap wash (more harmful because the traditional wash involves the same thing as a properly done rinseless- wiping dirt off BUT with a "slick" product that lacks the scratch protection of the best rinseless products). In other words, even the N-914 is awesome for a number of things, no worries. The fact that you have ONR should cover your bases plenty well.
I had same issue with road oil. A light spray mist of an all purpose cleaner over the panel with take care of that along with the ONR you're using
Only a pressure wash can remove dirt and grime from nooks and crannies😊
no water beading test
Thank you for ONR demo because I don't have an expensive pressure washer to apply the fancy foam soap.
Breaking news
Yvan secretly caught foaming while claiming to be a “Rinseless guy”
#fakenews 😂
lol
What about the panel gaps, crevices, badges? Were they really the same? I would GUESS a pressure washer would "get in there" better, but I've never done a rinseless wash.
U would be surprised
I rinseless wash my own cars and occasionally for money. The sponge cleans the emblems very well due to its “fingers” via the cross cuts. You also CAN use the pressure washer during a rinseless wash, or any hose. They showcase using a pre spray method here but you can absolutely use a water rinse first.
Also for tight areas , a detail brush just like during a soap wash works great!
@@stephen1503 Thanks for the comment. I'm going to buy some rinseless and try it since I too am getting frustrated at all the time and steps involved in a two bucket wash. I'm just trying to work out my routine in my head before. As of now I'm thinking of doing a "dry" presoak with the rinseless, agitating crevices with a detail brush, hosing off the presoak, and going in with the sponge from the one bucket.
@@theeeman23 I foam the dry paint first then do the wheels and wheel wells, then rinse it all then use the rinseless sponge and dry. Fastest wash ever with the best results
I don't like the soap method because it spots badly if used in the sun. I can onr in my garage.
And the onr spots are easier to deal with
noticed the Yeti buckets....are those something new? do you carry them? what's in the design?
@@theragcompany It says right on the YETI site that it's not insulated. This is just boujee bucket life. Nothing wrong with that although I'd personally remove those YETI emblems if they're removable just to avoid backlash. I don't care, but forums don't take too kindly to it for whatever reason
@@theragcompany yeah but an immersion heater is cheaper than those insanely overpriced buckets.
I get that there's convenience to be had there and of course if you have warm water that you want to keep warm and just move on with your day, or travel with a gamma seal or whatever then fair enough, but I really really just can't justify the cost of the buckets when there's no way they cost any more than 3 regular buckets at a HUGE stretch.
If they priced the buckets around the $20 mark at most then I could justify spending the money on a couple, but they're nearly double that cost and then marked up on top of that usually.
Stop spending money on stupid crap and you'll stop seeing higher and higher mark-ups.
@@theragcompany gotchya, appreciate you editing your comment. I agree with your second paragraph and I've tried to think about why that happens. My simple theory is that we're all trying to find something that we can relate to, and the majority of people simply can't relate to someone who's washing their car with a $40 bucket. Some of us don't appreciate that, and some of us wouldn't care if you washed your car with a gold plated bucket. Human psychology is an interesting one
So the pre-treatment would be the same. Application time of each type of cleaner is the same. Wash time is about the same. You skip the rinse, point in favor of rinseless. But the rinse is the fastest step, so you only save maybe 60 seconds. The rinse will be mineral-free, so no hard water spots. But you can rinse with a few gallon jugs of distilled water, so the benefit is not clear to me in a situation where you are equipped. You need a drying aid with the traditional wash but I would use one anyway in both cases because I like those kinds of spray on-wipe off products to finish the car. Mobile detailing is probably the best use-case for rinseless but I'm not sure it's a slam dunk for someone fully equipped.
Imagine defending foam over rinseless because "its fun"
A quality soap cleans and is far slicker than any rinseless on the market. Fck the "fun" part. Now if your goal is to be quick as possible (if your into detailing your own shit, your not tryna be done as quick as possible) then rinseless is your go to, sacrificing paint safety of course.
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