Thanks for including DIY Detail Rinseless Wash in your experiment. All 3 are good products and clean well, but the technologies are very different. What’s shown here is more attachment than encapsulation. A pure polymer rinseless attaches itself to the dirt, making it heavier than the water and sinking it down. With a surfactant based product, the dirt is emulsified, with any larger particles sinking to the bottom. With the DIY Detail Rinseless Wash we use both polymers and surfactants to accomplish our goal of cleaning the surface of the vehicle in the safest way possible. When polymers and surfactants are mixed, the surfactants win. To make this an accurate test( as opposed to a cool looking demonstration) first they should be diluted per instructions ( 256/1). Next is evaluating not how the water looks, but how clean the wash media is when leaving the wash bucket. In our R&D ( it was a 3 year process) how we evaluated our Rinseless was on how it cleaned the surface, not on how it separated in the bucket ( add oil to your glasses and it will also cause a similar effect). If you can find a sufficiently dirty white work truck, pre-spray the products on the surface, and evaluate how they lift the dirt off the surface. Next go over the same sized area with identical wash media. Return the wash media to the wash bucket. Remove the wash media from the bucket and observe how clean it is. Our goal was to have the cleanest surface, and also have the wash media returning to that surface be as clean as possible. With that said, they all work, but differently.
Thank you for chiming in on this! It’s great to hear first hand from the company who created their product, explain the chemistry behind it. This helps the end user to better understand and clear some questions we all may have based on this test! Based on what I am hearing, is it safe to say that your Rinseless technology is more advanced as an emulsifier but does not have advanced encapsulation technology like ONR because of the surfactants? Undeniably, all 3 products clean amazing and are very effective. I want to clarify for all viewers that this test is not about comparing cleaning power. It’s purely based on visually comparing encapsulation.
I ordered a gallon of DIY Rinseless a few months ago and have not cracked it open yet ( trying to finish off my ONR), but I am going to do my own test on it by spraying the surface and hosing it off, then washing the surface. doing this same method with both in a side to side comparison, this gives me an idea to post a video about it. I think it would be fun to do, my only issue is I live in vegas where we have some of the worst (hardest) water in the country lol, so i'm not sure how that will affect the results. also as far as wash media, I have a microfiber was mitt and the big red sponge that i use with ONR.
I’ve been firmly in the soap camp and is still currently my preferred option, I have used Rinseless with ONR, Absolute and now DIY and plan to try it more this year, watching Ivan pull the sponge out of the bucket looking perfectly clean has certainly given me something to think about.
I was an ONR user. After trying DIY detail one time I knew I wasn't going back. DIY detail cleans so well, there is no film left behind thats needs buffed out during the drying process. My sponge, brushes and microfibers are virtually clean after using DIY, not so with ONR. Don't let this video keep you from trying the other products. You may find ONR is not the best for you.
I work in water treatment, and they use Alum to get the solids to settle to the bottom. The Alum bonds to the solids and makes them heavier thus causing them to sink to the bottom. Im going to assume there's similar tech in ONR's product. However, seperation of solids, while important, isnt the only measurement of performance so lets keep that in mind. This is only one aspect.
Encapsulation is just half of the equation as you mentioned. I’ve used all three personally and find diy detail to be the most effective in encapsulation and emulsification overall. Onr definitely encapsulates well but doesn’t emulsify much at all which is probably it’s biggest downfall. It’s great for maintenance washes but anything more than dusty it’s gonna struggle to tackle the soil safely. McKees emulsifies fantastic but doesn’t encapsulate as well as onr. Diy detail rinseless does both well. You also have to take gravity into account as well as once you pre-spray the panel the emulsifiers in the product will drag the dirt down the panel & onto the ground below. Interesting test though. Should do the test on a vertical panel. Put all three next to each other with a pre-spray then do the swipe test or something similar.
Ive been using ONR for many years, snd the cars i maintain with it are a testament to its excellence. I have tried P&S Absolute which works well and is great on interiors, BUT, for my money ONR edges it.
I love ONR and Optimum. Their car wash soap (dark blue product not ONR) is SO UNDERRATED. idk what they put in there but it makes the porous plastics on a vehicle (especially things like oem mudflaps & fender flares) look like you used a mild trim-restorer on it every time you wash AND that effect builds. On my mom's newer subarus over the years (LOTS of this type of plastic) optimums car wash soap makes her ceramic coated paint look like the plastics got the ceramic coating too (but they didn't).
I tested all these shampoos. And ONR is the best - in fact, the rest works, but not that well and the differences are sometimes very large. According to my information, rinseless shampoos should not contain soap because this shampoo does not rinse off. And this is the entire principle of operation of this product, the problem is that other companies cannot make such a good polimers, so they add soap.
Why is it a problem to not rinse off the surfactants ("soap")? That's standard procedure with interior car and building cleaning - you spray a cleaner that has surfactants and then wipe it rather than rinse.
I don't know about ONR but I have used the DIY rinse less wash and it is excellent!!!! I have a white car and after DIY rinseless it came out beautiful!!!
@@moparornocar2467 what rags are best ? I’m thinking of doing 1 or 2 pre wash with Road warrior and then do a contact wash with either road warrior or a ph neutral soap … I bought some Rag company edge less micro fiber and a microfiber mitt so I could use a different towel for each panel but it just seems like a lot of maintenance having to use so many towels and washing them
This has nothing to do with “encapsulation” (the dirt being surrounded by polymers so it won’t reattach/scratch.) They all do that. ONR’s chemistry has those encapsulated particles combine, which makes them drop out of solution faster. (Bigger particle = heavier.) This is also why ONR doesn’t release dirt from media as well. (If you use a sponge, you’ll notice it doesn’t rinse as clean.) This means you’d potentially be dragging larger particles back across the surface as you wash, unless you use something like the multi towel method, in which case this doesn’t matter as you’re not reintroducing dirty media back into the rinseless wash…
Consumers have been conned…again..by the Americans. The “encapsulation” is merely a fancy Americanized theatrical description of a classic micellar action of surfactants in water, where the final product is loosely considered a highly concentrated “waxed shampoo” thats wiped dry without rinsing. Thats all.
Great job doing this tests. That's how all the rinseless tests or reviews should be done from now on. From visual observation, the whole "It breaks apart dirt and pulls it down" from most brands of rinseless is BS. If not, prove it.
It might encaspulate and draw the dirt that’s in your bucket, but DIY Rinseless removes the dirt off your sponge much better, meaning you’re not moving old grit across the panel on the next wipe
It’s almost never “grit” left on my wash media and almost always traffic film which does not scratch nor does it transfer to the paint in my experience. A surfactant which diy and mckees have will remove the traffic film from the wash media much easier but I’m not worried about the traffic film as the wash media will likely absorb it and do the cleaning through agitation and encapsulation. Encapsulating grit is what matters to me because that’s what actually scratches the surface.
I've been using ONR for years thanks to Yvan from when he was with the other company. I now want to try the DIY products for my own comparison and from what I've seen across the board with other detailers is the they are happy with DIY as well and sometimes even happier. With your test here, I picture these 3 cups with a grit guard at the bottom and wonder which one I want to dunk my wash media in to first and it seems it's the ONR. I read the comments below but it just seems odd that the cleaner water above the grit guard is not exactly the best option due to the science. I would normally always pick the cleaner water to use not the muddy water. Maybe I'm weird. LOL Great video. Thank you!
@@diydetailofficial I seriously doubt all that dirt is going to magically avoid getting caught on your media when you dunk it again in the bucket. Ill have to trust your expertise that it is not an issue, but i rather only use a no-double-dip method with DIY because of this fear.
Getting close to the end of my ONR bottle, this reiterated my thoughts of sticking either what eorks, and ONR just works! Imma put an order thx to this, cheers bro!
First off nice demo and glad that you watched ours. Definition of ENCAPSULATE 1 : to show or express the main idea or quality of (something) in a brief way * a phrase that perfectly encapsulates [=sums up] my feelings about the day * The first song encapsulates [=captures] the mood of the whole album. 2 : to completely cover (something) especially so that it will not touch anything else * The contaminated material should be encapsulated and removed. So yes we feel that this demo (and ours) shows that the dirt particles are "Encapsulated" and yes separated due to that. If the dirt wasn't encapsulated the water would remain dirty. Also this video visually "Encapsulates" the science that we are showing in this demo. So both meanings of the word "encapsulate" are showed in these videos. To answer the comments about what is happening here. When you wet the surface with ONR, the solution (due to the polymers used in the formula) will lift and encapsulate the dirt particles which protects the surface while you clean. The dirt is trapped in the wash media and then released into the bucket where it is pulled to the bottom so it is not reintroduced onto the surface. Where as if you were to wash with another rinseless wash that is NOT encapsulating the dirt - the dirt will not be pulled to bottom of bucket and you will be washing with dirty water and have the potential to reintroduce the dirt onto the surface. Which will increase your chances of marring the surface. As for the comments about others leaving the surface slicker - it that happens something is left behind to create that. A clean surface is just that... clean. IF you want that then we suggest using ONR Wash and Wax. That will produce a slicker surface that ONR.
Thank you for watching and responding to the video! We can all appreciate this information coming first hand from the company with the appropriate credentials who created this product, to shine some light on all the misinformation out there. Can you please also explain as to why not using the “proper dilution ratio” in your video, just to answer this big question as well?
@@DetailProjects We did this video really quick and we are planning to be doing a full video showing the proper dilution in the very near future. We just wanted to get a clear bucket to fully demonstrate the encapsulation process. In that video we will address more with why we recommend using a sponge to clean with, not microfiber, the difference between Emulsification and Encapsulation, and what is happening on a more scientific level. In that video will will address many of the comments that we have received on our video, yours and a few others that have popped up since we released the original video. Stay tuned. Many other rinselsess wash say they encapsulate but really emulsify. In our video we used the product that is the closest to ours that have some sort of encapsulation unlike others. We are not trying to bash other brands (there are plenty of great rinseless washes out there) - we just want to show why we think ours is different, what separates our technology that Dr. David Ghodoussi developed, and why we think it is a better way to clean.
This will be fantastic for the community to get first hand information and clear up all the nonsense around this topic. Based on some comments made, it’s safe to say that some folks definitely missed the whole point of this demonstration and took it out of context. Also, something important to highlight here, this video was made backpacking from your original video, with the intention to see how other Rinseless washes compare to ONR encapsulation technology. And clearly we could see the results speaking for themselves. The video was NOT made to “bash” others or be bias. The video was NOT made to compare cleaning power, cleaning ability, slickness or other characteristics. It was a pure scientific factual test comparing encapsulation. For your next video It would best received if Dr G was present to explain at a scientific level while demonstrating, to cover the most common questions folks may have. It would be a very interesting topic for discussion and I would be happy to be a part of the conversation! Great job as always and thank you for taking the time to reply to my questions.
I am not a big fan of rinseless washes, maybe I'll get into it at some point. The biggest selling point for me is the dirt quickly settling at the bottom of the bucket. Even if it doesn't "encapsulate" the dirt on the surface of the car, I know that each time I put that sponge on the surface of the car I have less of a chance of re-intruducing the same dirt I just pulled off the car on the last pass.
Funny how divided the comments are. One thing to note is that if you are truly on the path of avoiding scratching, you wouldn’t want to use the same wash media over and over again on different panels. I get that the allure of DIY is that it comes off easier off the wash media but why would anyone these days just not use the multiple wash mitt/wash media method instead? Theoretically, you’ll have a way better chance of not reintroducing contaminants or dirt on another panel with a new media/cloth for every new panel. I usually use 1 bucket, no grit guard and like 10 micro fibre washing mits or towels. Wipe a panel with a clean surface and start fresh with another panel. In that instance, I prefer that the ONR seems to trap more dirt to take away with it. Also, no rinse is missed with the ability to foam with DIY. The idea is that you don’t need rinsing or pressured water for those who won’t have access. Having it foam with a pressure washer as a pre-rinse is not feasible for those that have no pressure washer access. This is why ONR hit it out of the park with their claims to do exactly what it was meant for. My black car is going 3 years strong from new, paint corrected, winter driven and only ever washed with ONR. I have little to no scratches and can’t find any marring on my panels except for gloss black trims.
Hey guys! Amazing video haven't seen anyone doing this before I've personally tried onr vs diy on the wheel well ''carpeted area'' , diy got all that grit and grime out easily onr struggled alittle, but rinseless wash the way it shift dirt and grim is effortless dont even need a high pressure washer👍
amazing video! this finally clears a lot of doubts that I had about the competition of ONR, the old reliable. its great to see right before your eyes the real results and the real power of a true "emulsifier and encapsulator" rinseless wash. whereas the others market the same characteristics but don't actually have the results to prove it. Perhaps they should watch this video, and learn a thing or two from ONR and either rebrand their product, or improve it.
You should read the post from one of the product persons above and then you’d understand the chemistry behind the three products. This is a one sided test and doesn’t show the difference in emulsion and encapsulation.
Why? Maybe I am missing something here, or I don´t quite understand the test and/or I am interpreting the results in a wrong way, but in my opinion, this "test" does NOT show in any way, shape or form that ONR really "encapsulates". And it´s in my opinion a really really good example of how you can manipulate viewers into buying into marketing terminology with seemingly scientific testing. What we see in this test and video is that in the ONR cup there is some sort of separation. The dirt / dirty water separates from the ONR solution. Whereas in the other two cups, there is no separation. In my view and opinion, this is NOT encapsulation. It is, in fact, quite the opposite. When I see a separation like this, then the dirt is NOT encapsulated. If we translate the results of this test into the real world and application on a car, then this would mean that if I spray ONR on a panel, then ONR will sit on top of the dirt whereas the dirt will "sink" down onto the panel. So, as soon as I touch the panel with a mitt or towel, my mitt / towel is gliding on the layer of ONR and I drag the dirt along the panel - which is exactly what I DON´T want. If I translate the findings of this test on the other two products into the real world, then they emulsify / encapsulate / whatever, meaning they mix with the dirt, and then when I use my mitt / towel then there is a mix of product, water and dirt which I drag along the panel - which is safer than dragging the dirt along the panel. What I´m interested in is to see what happens if you pour some olive oil into the same cup. I´m pretty sure you would see a similar kind of separation. Does that mean that olive oil also "encapsulates"? Again, maybe I´m missing something here, but I really don´t see how this test prooves in any way, shape or form how ONR actually "encapsulates" something. And I´m even more shocked that noone else seems to realize this and how so many people just take what was said in this video and blindly repeat it without critically thinking about what they just saw.
Onr is king, every other rinseless is just a copycat made to smell or lather more. Diy is gaining coz of Yvan who is a great marketer and is regarded (as nick never lets us forget), the guru of detailing. It's a great product nonetheless.
Why? Maybe I am missing something here, or I don´t quite understand the test and/or I am interpreting the results in a wrong way, but in my opinion, this "test" does NOT show in any way, shape or form that ONR really "encapsulates". And it´s in my opinion a really really good example of how you can manipulate viewers into buying into marketing terminology with seemingly scientific testing. What we see in this test and video is that in the ONR cup there is some sort of separation. The dirt / dirty water separates from the ONR solution. Whereas in the other two cups, there is no separation. In my view and opinion, this is NOT encapsulation. It is, in fact, quite the opposite. When I see a separation like this, then the dirt is NOT encapsulated. If we translate the results of this test into the real world and application on a car, then this would mean that if I spray ONR on a panel, then ONR will sit on top of the dirt whereas the dirt will "sink" down onto the panel. So, as soon as I touch the panel with a mitt or towel, my mitt / towel is gliding on the layer of ONR and I drag the dirt along the panel - which is exactly what I DON´T want. If I translate the findings of this test on the other two products into the real world, then they emulsify / encapsulate / whatever, meaning they mix with the dirt, and then when I use my mitt / towel then there is a mix of product, water and dirt which I drag along the panel - which is safer than dragging the dirt along the panel. What I´m interested in is to see what happens if you pour some olive oil into the same cup. I´m pretty sure you would see a similar kind of separation. Does that mean that olive oil also "encapsulates"? Again, maybe I´m missing something here, but I really don´t see how this test prooves in any way, shape or form how ONR actually "encapsulates" something. And I´m even more shocked that noone else seems to realize this and how so many people just take what was said in this video and blindly repeat it without critically thinking about what they just saw.
Why? Maybe I am missing something here, or I don´t quite understand the test and/or I am interpreting the results in a wrong way, but in my opinion, this "test" does NOT show in any way, shape or form that ONR really "encapsulates". And it´s in my opinion a really really good example of how you can manipulate viewers into buying into marketing terminology with seemingly scientific testing. What we see in this test and video is that in the ONR cup there is some sort of separation. The dirt / dirty water separates from the ONR solution. Whereas in the other two cups, there is no separation. In my view and opinion, this is NOT encapsulation. It is, in fact, quite the opposite. When I see a separation like this, then the dirt is NOT encapsulated. If we translate the results of this test into the real world and application on a car, then this would mean that if I spray ONR on a panel, then ONR will sit on top of the dirt whereas the dirt will "sink" down onto the panel. So, as soon as I touch the panel with a mitt or towel, my mitt / towel is gliding on the layer of ONR and I drag the dirt along the panel - which is exactly what I DON´T want. If I translate the findings of this test on the other two products into the real world, then they emulsify / encapsulate / whatever, meaning they mix with the dirt, and then when I use my mitt / towel then there is a mix of product, water and dirt which I drag along the panel - which is safer than dragging the dirt along the panel. What I´m interested in is to see what happens if you pour some olive oil into the same cup. I´m pretty sure you would see a similar kind of separation. Does that mean that olive oil also "encapsulates"? Again, maybe I´m missing something here, but I really don´t see how this test prooves in any way, shape or form how ONR actually "encapsulates" something. And I´m even more shocked that noone else seems to realize this and how so many people just take what was said in this video and blindly repeat it without critically thinking about what they just saw.
In the original OPT video, I am 99.9% certain that their competition is P&S Absolute with disappointing results also. Feel free to check it out, I have a link in the description.
The consistency of the competing fluid in the original ONR demonstration looks like Absolute Rinseless Wash. lol even the white opaque bottle looks like Absolute.
I believe Yvan from DIY has stated that their rinseless emulsifies and breaks down the dirt so the water will look murky, but the actual harmful dirt is encapsulated and dropped to the bottom of the bucket. The top dirty water is more "stained" than actually "gritty".
@sebster6031 I'd rather just use a rinseless that both cleans well and is slick. That's just my preference though. I've heard that the 3rd formulation of ONR both cleaned well and was slick. Idk why they changed it
@@DelgadoDetailing I get what you mean. For me personally rinseless is only used on ceramic coated cars. That’s why I don’t want anything else than just cleaning. 🙏🏼
@sebster6031 That makes sense. Yeah I've noticed ONR is fine on coated cars, but a lot of the cars I do aren't coated, and that's where I feel the drag with it. I personally love the DIY Detail rinseless, but I just switched to one from a small TikTok detail brand called Nighthawk, and their rinseless can be diluted 896:1, and it's super slick at that dilution! I gotta do this test to see how it does, but it's my go to now
Great video my friend. I really love your channel. This is one of the most comprehensive tests I have ever seen on using rinseless washes which is my favorite way to wash my vehicles. I think I am going to be buying a big bottle of ONR again, mine is almost gone. While not scientific and you will probably get the youtube "naysayers", the proof is in the pudding and this is definite proof that ONR encapsulation technology DOES WORK. On the other two, well, not so much. Nice job.
Why? Maybe I am missing something here, or I don´t quite understand the test and/or I am interpreting the results in a wrong way, but in my opinion, this "test" does NOT show in any way, shape or form that ONR really "encapsulates". And it´s in my opinion a really really good example of how you can manipulate viewers into buying into marketing terminology with seemingly scientific testing. What we see in this test and video is that in the ONR cup there is some sort of separation. The dirt / dirty water separates from the ONR solution. Whereas in the other two cups, there is no separation. In my view and opinion, this is NOT encapsulation. It is, in fact, quite the opposite. When I see a separation like this, then the dirt is NOT encapsulated. If we translate the results of this test into the real world and application on a car, then this would mean that if I spray ONR on a panel, then ONR will sit on top of the dirt whereas the dirt will "sink" down onto the panel. So, as soon as I touch the panel with a mitt or towel, my mitt / towel is gliding on the layer of ONR and I drag the dirt along the panel - which is exactly what I DON´T want. If I translate the findings of this test on the other two products into the real world, then they emulsify / encapsulate / whatever, meaning they mix with the dirt, and then when I use my mitt / towel then there is a mix of product, water and dirt which I drag along the panel - which is safer than dragging the dirt along the panel. What I´m interested in is to see what happens if you pour some olive oil into the same cup. I´m pretty sure you would see a similar kind of separation. Does that mean that olive oil also "encapsulates"? Again, maybe I´m missing something here, but I really don´t see how this test prooves in any way, shape or form how ONR actually "encapsulates" something. And I´m even more shocked that noone else seems to realize this and how so many people just take what was said in this video and blindly repeat it without critically thinking about what they just saw.
Just because ONR is pulling the dirt and seperating the dirt, doesn’t mean that it’s cleaning the wash media as well. I just did a Rinseless wash with DIY to remove the road film and salt off. Bucket was very dark but there was no grit going back onto the paint.
So if you are going to use a rinseless wash product as a pre-wash only, i.e. in a sprayer then rinse off, followed by a contact wash, does it really matter which one you use?
Very cool to see. I would argue the murky water with the other products doesn't mean much cause you can see the actual dirt is on the bottom, when you wash the car your media will be the proof of that as you dunck it in the bucket and it comes out clean I usually go for a combo, I love ONR as a prerinse cause the encapsulation is on another level and it just pulls the majority of the dirt off the car before touching it, but in the bucket I like to have something else that might feel a bit smoother, I know its probably just a placebo but you know
For me it was between ONR (due to its many uses) and DIY, but the fac that DIY is harder to acquire is why I still use ONR despite DIY being slightly better at cleaning (noticeably better if we are talking a super messy car which ONR might have trouble with). I can't justify paying extra for weeklong shipping when I can get free shipping on Amazon for ONR and get it the next day. If DIY ever sells their products on Amazon under Amazon Prime, I might finally make the full switch.
Very interesting experiment. Would love to see how P&S Absolute Rinselss Wash compares to the ONR which looks fantastic from your results. Please do a P&S Absolute Rinseless Wash experiment.
I’m now wondering about this if a rinseless wash like ONR can separate the dirt like this. Then what would a water purification product do as a rinseless separating dirt and grime.
Onr does very little to remove any kind of oily road film. It's just good at removing loose dirt. Kinda like a regular ph neutral soap, but even worse.
Maybe I am missing something here, or I don´t quite understand the test and/or I am interpreting the results in a wrong way, but in my opinion, this "test" does NOT show in any way, shape or form that ONR really "encapsulates". And it´s in my opinion a really really good example of how you can manipulate viewers into buying into marketing terminology with seemingly scientific testing. What we see in this test and video is that in the ONR cup there is some sort of separation. The dirt / dirty water separates from the ONR solution. Whereas in the other two cups, there is no separation. In my view and opinion, this is NOT encapsulation. It is, in fact, quite the opposite. When I see a separation like this, then the dirt is NOT encapsulated. If we translate the results of this test into the real world and application on a car, then this would mean that if I spray ONR on a panel, then ONR will sit on top of the dirt whereas the dirt will "sink" down onto the panel. So, as soon as I touch the panel with a mitt or towel, my mitt / towel is gliding on the layer of ONR and I drag the dirt along the panel - which is exactly what I DON´T want. If I translate the findings of this test on the other two products into the real world, then they emulsify / encapsulate / whatever, meaning they mix with the dirt, and then when I use my mitt / towel then there is a mix of product, water and dirt which I drag along the panel - which is safer than dragging the dirt along the panel. What I´m interested in is to see what happens if you pour some olive oil into the same cup. I´m pretty sure you would see a similar kind of separation. Does that mean that olive oil also "encapsulates"? Again, maybe I´m missing something here, but I really don´t see how this test prooves in any way, shape or form how ONR actually "encapsulates" something. And I´m even more shocked that noone else seems to realize this and how so many people just take what was said in this video and blindly repeat it without critically thinking about what they just saw.
Bin ebenfalls erst fasziniert gewesen und habe mich aber im nachhinein gefragt, ob der unterschied wirklich so gigantisch sein kann, oder hier schlicht und einfach etwas anderes als abkapseln passiert. Du hast meinen Gedankengang ziemlich detailliert ausgeführt, danke dir
@@Duusin du kannst mal einfach für dich das exakt gleiche Experiment nachstellen und einen guten Schuss Olivenöl ins Glas kippen. Es wird den selben Effekt haben. Beweist das jetzt, dass Olivenöl ein geeigneter Reiniger wäre? 😉
I really like ONR but it adds protection which I don’t want. I’ve bought DIY Detail to try out. People seem very happy with that. Maybe it works on a 5 way to ONR?
it would have been interesting if you added the ONR to the other two cups AFTER the other pructs were put in the cups to see if the ONR would've cleared those cups...
@@gk7588I trust chemistry, not a 3 minute video 😂😂😂😂. It took something like 2 years of R&D to make DIY rinseless wash. I remember being young and naive. You’ll learn as you grow.
All I see here is yet another reason not to buy ONR. If the safest way to wash the vehicle is to provide enough lubricity that think about it - when emulsifing the dirt with surfactant to particles so small that all the do is they stain water they’re safe right? And if you go on and wash a little dirtier vehicle with a polymer theres not much polymers left in it as all of them cling to the dirt and go down to the bottom. And to reuse the water over and over again as beeing advertised doesn’t make it better. Washing with almost pure water only is not the best idea either. Tried most rinseless washes on the market and ONR is so far the worst I’ve tried with poorest lubricity and overall experience for me.
I was thinking a good product should pull things towards the top or best would be to have the dirt in the middle, right? Like if all the dirt is at the bottom then when you use a sponge to clean it and finally a towel to dry then it would all rub on the paint. Am I getting this wrong?
@@yftinthyn007 Thanks for confirming this as I was confused with many videos just talking about sending dirt to the bottom. However, when thinking more about what is happening, I might be misunderstanding this. This behavior would be good for cleaning if the particles near the bottom are still enclosed/locked by the product molecules and there is still a film of water and product molecules between the dirt particles and the paint surface.
Would it be more accurate if you mixed a bucket of each chemical according to their directions? And then took a sample from the bucket and put that in the dirty water?
I am 99.9% certain that P&S Absolute was the competition on the original video OPT posted on their channel. I have a link in the description to check out!
While this test is great for ONR in a cup, on a car panel results look and feel different, and to be fair everyone has always known ONR is a great product. But like I said with pre spray and a sponge method all these do great. Just some leave a residue, those of us who use rinseless on a daily already know which product is cleaner after the wipe off , which one needs another pass. Which one leaves absolutely nothing behind. Most of us have seen the results on our clients cars. ONR cleans and does encapsulate as we’ve seen for years but others clean the panels better imo the panels aren’t cleaner with ONR, I could even throw in ECOwash from OP, or Hydra from phoenix EOD as well wipe out is another good cleaner. A real test is to use them on car panels by just spraying them on a panel and letting them soak in and rinse off then you’ll see which is grabbing more , which looks cleaner ans some even feel slicker. What this shows us here is ONR pushes dirt down faster. Still awesome video.
YOU COULD HAVE USE THE O.N.R. CAP FOR MEASUREMENT ON ALL 3 CUPS AND IT STILL WOULDN'T MATTER O.N.R. BLUE IS THE BEST OF ALL RINSE·LESS WASH PRODUCT AND FOR SO MANY USAGES
Why? Maybe I am missing something here, or I don´t quite understand the test and/or I am interpreting the results in a wrong way, but in my opinion, this "test" does NOT show in any way, shape or form that ONR really "encapsulates". And it´s in my opinion a really really good example of how you can manipulate viewers into buying into marketing terminology with seemingly scientific testing. What we see in this test and video is that in the ONR cup there is some sort of separation. The dirt / dirty water separates from the ONR solution. Whereas in the other two cups, there is no separation. In my view and opinion, this is NOT encapsulation. It is, in fact, quite the opposite. When I see a separation like this, then the dirt is NOT encapsulated. If we translate the results of this test into the real world and application on a car, then this would mean that if I spray ONR on a panel, then ONR will sit on top of the dirt whereas the dirt will "sink" down onto the panel. So, as soon as I touch the panel with a mitt or towel, my mitt / towel is gliding on the layer of ONR and I drag the dirt along the panel - which is exactly what I DON´T want. If I translate the findings of this test on the other two products into the real world, then they emulsify / encapsulate / whatever, meaning they mix with the dirt, and then when I use my mitt / towel then there is a mix of product, water and dirt which I drag along the panel - which is safer than dragging the dirt along the panel. What I´m interested in is to see what happens if you pour some olive oil into the same cup. I´m pretty sure you would see a similar kind of separation. Does that mean that olive oil also "encapsulates"? Again, maybe I´m missing something here, but I really don´t see how this test prooves in any way, shape or form how ONR actually "encapsulates" something. And I´m even more shocked that noone else seems to realize this and how so many people just take what was said in this video and blindly repeat it without critically thinking about what they just saw.
@@AndreasSchwarzinger it seems I too have misunderstood the test and was initially impressed with a demo of water displacement having had no prior knowledge of ONR and its magical dirt encapsulating technology. Are you saying the whole ONR rinseless cleaning system is just a gimmick? I have to admit that I was believing the facts in the video to be true as I’d expect content creators to be factually accurate when making content and as you point out it’s definitely not the case here so that’s disappointing 😤
Interesting, but i still rather see a clean sponge..before i hit the paint. I'm also in the minority, i really could care less about a few swirls, i polish my car every summer. DIY and N914 are better cleans than absolute, for off label its very apparent- i experiment with a lot of surfaces inside my house and workplace - just for fun. I never used ONR. In the OPT video it was clearly absolute, which is ok too. But i prefer DIY. Can't wait to try the polymer rinseless for Labocosmetica however. Zero interest in ONR after reading just today it stains wash media? That can't be true!? Bumper if that's true IMO. I'll pass.
I dont understand the point here when u do this test vs a real world test washing a car that is dirty same dirty panels with these 3 products will show that 1 cleans pefect and the other 2 is garbage ?
ridiculous video. i have an idea how about 3x cups with 256 mls in them then put 1 ml in each of them and just some dirt not a shovel load then see what happens
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Thanks for including DIY Detail Rinseless Wash in your experiment.
All 3 are good products and clean well, but the technologies are very different.
What’s shown here is more attachment than encapsulation. A pure polymer rinseless attaches itself to the dirt, making it heavier than the water and sinking it down.
With a surfactant based product, the dirt is emulsified, with any larger particles sinking to the bottom.
With the DIY Detail Rinseless Wash we use both polymers and surfactants to accomplish our goal of cleaning the surface of the vehicle in the safest way possible. When polymers and surfactants are mixed, the surfactants win.
To make this an accurate test( as opposed to a cool looking demonstration) first they should be diluted per instructions ( 256/1).
Next is evaluating not how the water looks, but how clean the wash media is when leaving the wash bucket. In our R&D ( it was a 3 year process) how we evaluated our Rinseless was on how it cleaned the surface, not on how it separated in the bucket ( add oil to your glasses and it will also cause a similar effect).
If you can find a sufficiently dirty white work truck, pre-spray the products on the surface, and evaluate how they lift the dirt off the surface. Next go over the same sized area with identical wash media. Return the wash media to the wash bucket. Remove the wash media from the bucket and observe how clean it is.
Our goal was to have the cleanest surface, and also have the wash media returning to that surface be as clean as possible.
With that said, they all work, but differently.
Thank you for chiming in on this! It’s great to hear first hand from the company who created their product, explain the chemistry behind it.
This helps the end user to better understand and clear some questions we all may have based on this test!
Based on what I am hearing, is it safe to say that your Rinseless technology is more advanced as an emulsifier but does not have advanced encapsulation technology like ONR because of the surfactants?
Undeniably, all 3 products clean amazing and are very effective.
I want to clarify for all viewers that this test is not about comparing cleaning power. It’s purely based on visually comparing encapsulation.
I ordered a gallon of DIY Rinseless a few months ago and have not cracked it open yet ( trying to finish off my ONR), but I am going to do my own test on it by spraying the surface and hosing it off, then washing the surface. doing this same method with both in a side to side comparison, this gives me an idea to post a video about it. I think it would be fun to do, my only issue is I live in vegas where we have some of the worst (hardest) water in the country lol, so i'm not sure how that will affect the results. also as far as wash media, I have a microfiber was mitt and the big red sponge that i use with ONR.
@@DetailProjects actually all 3 encapsulate quite well. What you’re seeing is stratification.
I’ve been firmly in the soap camp and is still currently my preferred option, I have used Rinseless with ONR, Absolute and now DIY and plan to try it more this year, watching Ivan pull the sponge out of the bucket looking perfectly clean has certainly given me something to think about.
Very interesting!
I was an ONR user. After trying DIY detail one time I knew I wasn't going back. DIY detail cleans so well, there is no film left behind thats needs buffed out during the drying process. My sponge, brushes and microfibers are virtually clean after using DIY, not so with ONR. Don't let this video keep you from trying the other products. You may find ONR is not the best for you.
ONR and Optimum car care products are the OGs. They've been innovating for so long, not surprised it does best here
I work in water treatment, and they use Alum to get the solids to settle to the bottom. The Alum bonds to the solids and makes them heavier thus causing them to sink to the bottom.
Im going to assume there's similar tech in ONR's product.
However, seperation of solids, while important, isnt the only measurement of performance so lets keep that in mind. This is only one aspect.
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Encapsulation is just half of the equation as you mentioned. I’ve used all three personally and find diy detail to be the most effective in encapsulation and emulsification overall. Onr definitely encapsulates well but doesn’t emulsify much at all which is probably it’s biggest downfall. It’s great for maintenance washes but anything more than dusty it’s gonna struggle to tackle the soil safely. McKees emulsifies fantastic but doesn’t encapsulate as well as onr. Diy detail rinseless does both well. You also have to take gravity into account as well as once you pre-spray the panel the emulsifiers in the product will drag the dirt down the panel & onto the ground below. Interesting test though. Should do the test on a vertical panel. Put all three next to each other with a pre-spray then do the swipe test or something similar.
Ive been using ONR for many years, snd the cars i maintain with it are a testament to its excellence. I have tried P&S Absolute which works well and is great on interiors, BUT, for my money ONR edges it.
Pay attention to the dirt lines rather than how clear the water becomes.
Would’ve been interesting to see what happened if you added ONR to the other after to see if it would clear them as well.
I love ONR and Optimum. Their car wash soap (dark blue product not ONR) is SO UNDERRATED. idk what they put in there but it makes the porous plastics on a vehicle (especially things like oem mudflaps & fender flares) look like you used a mild trim-restorer on it every time you wash AND that effect builds. On my mom's newer subarus over the years (LOTS of this type of plastic) optimums car wash soap makes her ceramic coated paint look like the plastics got the ceramic coating too (but they didn't).
I tested all these shampoos. And ONR is the best - in fact, the rest works, but not that well and the differences are sometimes very large. According to my information, rinseless shampoos should not contain soap because this shampoo does not rinse off. And this is the entire principle of operation of this product, the problem is that other companies cannot make such a good polimers, so they add soap.
Sounds accurate.
Why is it a problem to not rinse off the surfactants ("soap")? That's standard procedure with interior car and building cleaning - you spray a cleaner that has surfactants and then wipe it rather than rinse.
I don't know about ONR but I have used the DIY rinse less wash and it is excellent!!!! I have a white car and after DIY rinseless it came out beautiful!!!
U also don’t notice how bad u scratched your car from the dirt because it’s a white car
@@moparornocar2467what method is best for avoiding scratching the paint ?
@@user-nj6rk5xs1m they all scratch some but I prefer 1 soap bucket with several rags and never re-dip after you’ve used all sides
@@moparornocar2467 what rags are best ? I’m thinking of doing 1 or 2 pre wash with Road warrior and then do a contact wash with either road warrior or a ph neutral soap … I bought some Rag company edge less micro fiber and a microfiber mitt so I could use a different towel for each panel but it just seems like a lot of maintenance having to use so many towels and washing them
This has nothing to do with “encapsulation” (the dirt being surrounded by polymers so it won’t reattach/scratch.) They all do that. ONR’s chemistry has those encapsulated particles combine, which makes them drop out of solution faster. (Bigger particle = heavier.) This is also why ONR doesn’t release dirt from media as well. (If you use a sponge, you’ll notice it doesn’t rinse as clean.) This means you’d potentially be dragging larger particles back across the surface as you wash, unless you use something like the multi towel method, in which case this doesn’t matter as you’re not reintroducing dirty media back into the rinseless wash…
Consumers have been conned…again..by the Americans.
The “encapsulation” is merely a fancy Americanized theatrical description of a classic micellar action of surfactants in water, where the final product is loosely considered a highly concentrated “waxed shampoo” thats wiped dry without rinsing.
Thats all.
ONR is the O.G of rinse less hands down🔥💪🏾👊🏾💯
Great job doing this tests. That's how all the rinseless tests or reviews should be done from now on.
From visual observation, the whole "It breaks apart dirt and pulls it down" from most brands of rinseless is BS. If not, prove it.
It might encaspulate and draw the dirt that’s in your bucket, but DIY Rinseless removes the dirt off your sponge much better, meaning you’re not moving old grit across the panel on the next wipe
It’s almost never “grit” left on my wash media and almost always traffic film which does not scratch nor does it transfer to the paint in my experience. A surfactant which diy and mckees have will remove the traffic film from the wash media much easier but I’m not worried about the traffic film as the wash media will likely absorb it and do the cleaning through agitation and encapsulation. Encapsulating grit is what matters to me because that’s what actually scratches the surface.
I've been using ONR for years thanks to Yvan from when he was with the other company. I now want to try the DIY products for my own comparison and from what I've seen across the board with other detailers is the they are happy with DIY as well and sometimes even happier. With your test here, I picture these 3 cups with a grit guard at the bottom and wonder which one I want to dunk my wash media in to first and it seems it's the ONR. I read the comments below but it just seems odd that the cleaner water above the grit guard is not exactly the best option due to the science. I would normally always pick the cleaner water to use not the muddy water. Maybe I'm weird. LOL Great video. Thank you!
Finally someone with common sense that gets it 😂 Thank you!
Clean water or clean wash media returning to the paint.
@@diydetailofficial I seriously doubt all that dirt is going to magically avoid getting caught on your media when you dunk it again in the bucket. Ill have to trust your expertise that it is not an issue, but i rather only use a no-double-dip method with DIY because of this fear.
Exactly what I wanted to see, after seeing their video. I need to compare ONR to Oberks rinsless as well, they are very similar in use for me.
Same here
Getting close to the end of my ONR bottle, this reiterated my thoughts of sticking either what eorks, and ONR just works!
Imma put an order thx to this, cheers bro!
First off nice demo and glad that you watched ours.
Definition of ENCAPSULATE
1 : to show or express the main idea or quality of (something) in a brief way
* a phrase that perfectly encapsulates [=sums up] my feelings about the day
* The first song encapsulates [=captures] the mood of the whole album.
2 : to completely cover (something) especially so that it will not touch anything else
* The contaminated material should be encapsulated and removed.
So yes we feel that this demo (and ours) shows that the dirt particles are "Encapsulated" and yes separated due to that. If the dirt wasn't encapsulated the water would remain dirty. Also this video visually "Encapsulates" the science that we are showing in this demo. So both meanings of the word "encapsulate" are showed in these videos.
To answer the comments about what is happening here. When you wet the surface with ONR, the solution (due to the polymers used in the formula) will lift and encapsulate the dirt particles which protects the surface while you clean. The dirt is trapped in the wash media and then released into the bucket where it is pulled to the bottom so it is not reintroduced onto the surface.
Where as if you were to wash with another rinseless wash that is NOT encapsulating the dirt - the dirt will not be pulled to bottom of bucket and you will be washing with dirty water and have the potential to reintroduce the dirt onto the surface. Which will increase your chances of marring the surface.
As for the comments about others leaving the surface slicker - it that happens something is left behind to create that. A clean surface is just that... clean. IF you want that then we suggest using ONR Wash and Wax. That will produce a slicker surface that ONR.
Thank you for watching and responding to the video!
We can all appreciate this information coming first hand from the company with the appropriate credentials who created this product, to shine some light on all the misinformation out there.
Can you please also explain as to why not using the “proper dilution ratio” in your video, just to answer this big question as well?
@@DetailProjects We did this video really quick and we are planning to be doing a full video showing the proper dilution in the very near future. We just wanted to get a clear bucket to fully demonstrate the encapsulation process. In that video we will address more with why we recommend using a sponge to clean with, not microfiber, the difference between Emulsification and Encapsulation, and what is happening on a more scientific level. In that video will will address many of the comments that we have received on our video, yours and a few others that have popped up since we released the original video. Stay tuned.
Many other rinselsess wash say they encapsulate but really emulsify. In our video we used the product that is the closest to ours that have some sort of encapsulation unlike others. We are not trying to bash other brands (there are plenty of great rinseless washes out there) - we just want to show why we think ours is different, what separates our technology that Dr. David Ghodoussi developed, and why we think it is a better way to clean.
This will be fantastic for the community to get first hand information and clear up all the nonsense around this topic.
Based on some comments made, it’s safe to say that some folks definitely missed the whole point of this demonstration and took it out of context.
Also, something important to highlight here, this video was made backpacking from your original video, with the intention to see how other Rinseless washes compare to ONR encapsulation technology. And clearly we could see the results speaking for themselves. The video was NOT made to “bash” others or be bias. The video was NOT made to compare cleaning power, cleaning ability, slickness or other characteristics. It was a pure scientific factual test comparing encapsulation.
For your next video It would best received if Dr G was present to explain at a scientific level while demonstrating, to cover the most common questions folks may have. It would be a very interesting topic for discussion and I would be happy to be a part of the conversation!
Great job as always and thank you for taking the time to reply to my questions.
I am not a big fan of rinseless washes, maybe I'll get into it at some point. The biggest selling point for me is the dirt quickly settling at the bottom of the bucket. Even if it doesn't "encapsulate" the dirt on the surface of the car, I know that each time I put that sponge on the surface of the car I have less of a chance of re-intruducing the same dirt I just pulled off the car on the last pass.
Great Job as always! Can always count on you for honest unbaised information! This is the detailing page to go to 🎉
Funny how divided the comments are. One thing to note is that if you are truly on the path of avoiding scratching, you wouldn’t want to use the same wash media over and over again on different panels. I get that the allure of DIY is that it comes off easier off the wash media but why would anyone these days just not use the multiple wash mitt/wash media method instead? Theoretically, you’ll have a way better chance of not reintroducing contaminants or dirt on another panel with a new media/cloth for every new panel. I usually use 1 bucket, no grit guard and like 10 micro fibre washing mits or towels. Wipe a panel with a clean surface and start fresh with another panel. In that instance, I prefer that the ONR seems to trap more dirt to take away with it. Also, no rinse is missed with the ability to foam with DIY. The idea is that you don’t need rinsing or pressured water for those who won’t have access. Having it foam with a pressure washer as a pre-rinse is not feasible for those that have no pressure washer access. This is why ONR hit it out of the park with their claims to do exactly what it was meant for. My black car is going 3 years strong from new, paint corrected, winter driven and only ever washed with ONR. I have little to no scratches and can’t find any marring on my panels except for gloss black trims.
Hey guys! Amazing video haven't seen anyone doing this before I've personally tried onr vs diy on the wheel well ''carpeted area'' , diy got all that grit and grime out easily onr struggled alittle, but rinseless wash the way it shift dirt and grim is effortless dont even need a high pressure washer👍
ONR just did this exact style experiment a few days ago.
amazing video! this finally clears a lot of doubts that I had about the competition of ONR, the old reliable. its great to see right before your eyes the real results and the real power of a true "emulsifier and encapsulator" rinseless wash. whereas the others market the same characteristics but don't actually have the results to prove it. Perhaps they should watch this video, and learn a thing or two from ONR and either rebrand their product, or improve it.
You should read the post from one of the product persons above and then you’d understand the chemistry behind the three products. This is a one sided test and doesn’t show the difference in emulsion and encapsulation.
Why? Maybe I am missing something here, or I don´t quite understand the test and/or I am interpreting the results in a wrong way, but in my opinion, this "test" does NOT show in any way, shape or form that ONR really "encapsulates". And it´s in my opinion a really really good example of how you can manipulate viewers into buying into marketing terminology with seemingly scientific testing.
What we see in this test and video is that in the ONR cup there is some sort of separation. The dirt / dirty water separates from the ONR solution. Whereas in the other two cups, there is no separation.
In my view and opinion, this is NOT encapsulation. It is, in fact, quite the opposite. When I see a separation like this, then the dirt is NOT encapsulated. If we translate the results of this test into the real world and application on a car, then this would mean that if I spray ONR on a panel, then ONR will sit on top of the dirt whereas the dirt will "sink" down onto the panel. So, as soon as I touch the panel with a mitt or towel, my mitt / towel is gliding on the layer of ONR and I drag the dirt along the panel - which is exactly what I DON´T want.
If I translate the findings of this test on the other two products into the real world, then they emulsify / encapsulate / whatever, meaning they mix with the dirt, and then when I use my mitt / towel then there is a mix of product, water and dirt which I drag along the panel - which is safer than dragging the dirt along the panel.
What I´m interested in is to see what happens if you pour some olive oil into the same cup. I´m pretty sure you would see a similar kind of separation. Does that mean that olive oil also "encapsulates"?
Again, maybe I´m missing something here, but I really don´t see how this test prooves in any way, shape or form how ONR actually "encapsulates" something. And I´m even more shocked that noone else seems to realize this and how so many people just take what was said in this video and blindly repeat it without critically thinking about what they just saw.
Can’t go wrong with the old faithful!
Onr is king, every other rinseless is just a copycat made to smell or lather more. Diy is gaining coz of Yvan who is a great marketer and is regarded (as nick never lets us forget), the guru of detailing. It's a great product nonetheless.
Why? Maybe I am missing something here, or I don´t quite understand the test and/or I am interpreting the results in a wrong way, but in my opinion, this "test" does NOT show in any way, shape or form that ONR really "encapsulates". And it´s in my opinion a really really good example of how you can manipulate viewers into buying into marketing terminology with seemingly scientific testing.
What we see in this test and video is that in the ONR cup there is some sort of separation. The dirt / dirty water separates from the ONR solution. Whereas in the other two cups, there is no separation.
In my view and opinion, this is NOT encapsulation. It is, in fact, quite the opposite. When I see a separation like this, then the dirt is NOT encapsulated. If we translate the results of this test into the real world and application on a car, then this would mean that if I spray ONR on a panel, then ONR will sit on top of the dirt whereas the dirt will "sink" down onto the panel. So, as soon as I touch the panel with a mitt or towel, my mitt / towel is gliding on the layer of ONR and I drag the dirt along the panel - which is exactly what I DON´T want.
If I translate the findings of this test on the other two products into the real world, then they emulsify / encapsulate / whatever, meaning they mix with the dirt, and then when I use my mitt / towel then there is a mix of product, water and dirt which I drag along the panel - which is safer than dragging the dirt along the panel.
What I´m interested in is to see what happens if you pour some olive oil into the same cup. I´m pretty sure you would see a similar kind of separation. Does that mean that olive oil also "encapsulates"?
Again, maybe I´m missing something here, but I really don´t see how this test prooves in any way, shape or form how ONR actually "encapsulates" something. And I´m even more shocked that noone else seems to realize this and how so many people just take what was said in this video and blindly repeat it without critically thinking about what they just saw.
GREAT thinking! I wanted to do the same thing after I saw that video also
Is a competitive bussines, and i see many fake accounts pushing brand A or Brand B, but this test is good.
How's it work at the correct dilution ratio?
Great vid bro very interesting indeed
Thanks Jamie it definitely got my attention!
The good old ONR it is!
Why? Maybe I am missing something here, or I don´t quite understand the test and/or I am interpreting the results in a wrong way, but in my opinion, this "test" does NOT show in any way, shape or form that ONR really "encapsulates". And it´s in my opinion a really really good example of how you can manipulate viewers into buying into marketing terminology with seemingly scientific testing.
What we see in this test and video is that in the ONR cup there is some sort of separation. The dirt / dirty water separates from the ONR solution. Whereas in the other two cups, there is no separation.
In my view and opinion, this is NOT encapsulation. It is, in fact, quite the opposite. When I see a separation like this, then the dirt is NOT encapsulated. If we translate the results of this test into the real world and application on a car, then this would mean that if I spray ONR on a panel, then ONR will sit on top of the dirt whereas the dirt will "sink" down onto the panel. So, as soon as I touch the panel with a mitt or towel, my mitt / towel is gliding on the layer of ONR and I drag the dirt along the panel - which is exactly what I DON´T want.
If I translate the findings of this test on the other two products into the real world, then they emulsify / encapsulate / whatever, meaning they mix with the dirt, and then when I use my mitt / towel then there is a mix of product, water and dirt which I drag along the panel - which is safer than dragging the dirt along the panel.
What I´m interested in is to see what happens if you pour some olive oil into the same cup. I´m pretty sure you would see a similar kind of separation. Does that mean that olive oil also "encapsulates"?
Again, maybe I´m missing something here, but I really don´t see how this test prooves in any way, shape or form how ONR actually "encapsulates" something. And I´m even more shocked that noone else seems to realize this and how so many people just take what was said in this video and blindly repeat it without critically thinking about what they just saw.
I was nearing the end of my onr too and was thinking abosulte till I saw the opt video. I'm sticking with onr.
Amazing video! Would love to see how P&S Absolute compares.
I was thinking the same thing
In the original OPT video, I am 99.9% certain that their competition is P&S Absolute with disappointing results also. Feel free to check it out, I have a link in the description.
@@DetailProjects that's a VERY good point. Thanks!
The consistency of the competing fluid in the original ONR demonstration looks like Absolute Rinseless Wash. lol even the white opaque bottle looks like Absolute.
Great video!!! I’ll stick with ONR!!!
I believe Yvan from DIY has stated that their rinseless emulsifies and breaks down the dirt so the water will look murky, but the actual harmful dirt is encapsulated and dropped to the bottom of the bucket. The top dirty water is more "stained" than actually "gritty".
I was just going to write that. 😅
Yvan says a LOT of things 😅 Marketing at its finest…..
Ivan’s the one that also taught me how to wash with ONR, lol…. Ivan’s theories flex and bend to follow the money.. 😂
If the water looks stained then there's still dirt. It's just s smaller particle that's suspended.
Lol, I'd say that too if I owned the company.
Great test, thank you!
This is very interesting. I'm always a huge fan of onr
Great video! I love the smell of ONR and the encapsulation of it, but I just wish it was actually slick
Just put a spray of quick detailer before drying. Done
@sebster6031 I'd rather just use a rinseless that both cleans well and is slick. That's just my preference though. I've heard that the 3rd formulation of ONR both cleaned well and was slick. Idk why they changed it
@@DelgadoDetailing I get what you mean. For me personally rinseless is only used on ceramic coated cars. That’s why I don’t want anything else than just cleaning. 🙏🏼
@sebster6031 That makes sense. Yeah I've noticed ONR is fine on coated cars, but a lot of the cars I do aren't coated, and that's where I feel the drag with it. I personally love the DIY Detail rinseless, but I just switched to one from a small TikTok detail brand called Nighthawk, and their rinseless can be diluted 896:1, and it's super slick at that dilution! I gotta do this test to see how it does, but it's my go to now
If something only cleans then it should be grabby . Slick means it’s leaving something behind - squeaky clean .
Great video my friend. I really love your channel. This is one of the most comprehensive tests I have ever seen on using rinseless washes which is my favorite way to wash my vehicles. I think I am going to be buying a big bottle of ONR again, mine is almost gone. While not scientific and you will probably get the youtube "naysayers", the proof is in the pudding and this is definite proof that ONR encapsulation technology DOES WORK. On the other two, well, not so much. Nice job.
Thank you!
Thanks for doing this experiment, even though I don’t have a TH-cam channel, I was going to do it for my own.
So what wouls happen if you used a mix of two or all ove the above checking both the wash water and media? More experiments!
Wow nobody I saw did this before. Good one👍
Why? Maybe I am missing something here, or I don´t quite understand the test and/or I am interpreting the results in a wrong way, but in my opinion, this "test" does NOT show in any way, shape or form that ONR really "encapsulates". And it´s in my opinion a really really good example of how you can manipulate viewers into buying into marketing terminology with seemingly scientific testing.
What we see in this test and video is that in the ONR cup there is some sort of separation. The dirt / dirty water separates from the ONR solution. Whereas in the other two cups, there is no separation.
In my view and opinion, this is NOT encapsulation. It is, in fact, quite the opposite. When I see a separation like this, then the dirt is NOT encapsulated. If we translate the results of this test into the real world and application on a car, then this would mean that if I spray ONR on a panel, then ONR will sit on top of the dirt whereas the dirt will "sink" down onto the panel. So, as soon as I touch the panel with a mitt or towel, my mitt / towel is gliding on the layer of ONR and I drag the dirt along the panel - which is exactly what I DON´T want.
If I translate the findings of this test on the other two products into the real world, then they emulsify / encapsulate / whatever, meaning they mix with the dirt, and then when I use my mitt / towel then there is a mix of product, water and dirt which I drag along the panel - which is safer than dragging the dirt along the panel.
What I´m interested in is to see what happens if you pour some olive oil into the same cup. I´m pretty sure you would see a similar kind of separation. Does that mean that olive oil also "encapsulates"?
Again, maybe I´m missing something here, but I really don´t see how this test prooves in any way, shape or form how ONR actually "encapsulates" something. And I´m even more shocked that noone else seems to realize this and how so many people just take what was said in this video and blindly repeat it without critically thinking about what they just saw.
@@AndreasSchwarzinger make a video based on this test. Many car enthusiasts will appreciate.
Does the same hold true with the onr wash and wax with carnuba?
onr great wash but diy detail can be used as a foam to nice video
Just because ONR is pulling the dirt and seperating the dirt, doesn’t mean that it’s cleaning the wash media as well. I just did a Rinseless wash with DIY to remove the road film and salt off. Bucket was very dark but there was no grit going back onto the paint.
But the dirty water is. It makes a difference on white vehicles especially.
Great test very interesting 👍
What happens if you mix them ? Does ONR still drag the dirt down ?
It sure does, I stirred it twice in the video and both times it encapsulated just as great!
@@DetailProjects I mean if you mix the different products 😊 ?
Not sure about that! Definitely worth trying
@@DetailProjects I can try it out myself 😊 I mix it with other products anyway.
@@tafl-9198please do and feedback here. Either you'll have the world's best rinseless product or they'll mix and do something weird and unexpected.
When thinking about encapsulation and washing. I would want the dirt to stay in the salutation so it gets rinsed off
Would love to see another comparison test with Oberks Rinseless Wash and Phoenix EOD Hydra against the ONR.
The dilution is not what is reccomended in the instructions
Could you please do a demo on the p&s absolute? Thank you and nice video
So if you are going to use a rinseless wash product as a pre-wash only, i.e. in a sprayer then rinse off, followed by a contact wash, does it really matter which one you use?
Very cool to see.
I would argue the murky water with the other products doesn't mean much cause you can see the actual dirt is on the bottom, when you wash the car your media will be the proof of that as you dunck it in the bucket and it comes out clean
I usually go for a combo, I love ONR as a prerinse cause the encapsulation is on another level and it just pulls the majority of the dirt off the car before touching it, but in the bucket I like to have something else that might feel a bit smoother, I know its probably just a placebo but you know
Interesting , I'm waiting to receive my onr rinseless wash.. thanks..
Is this as relevant to WaterlessWash as it is to RinselessWash ?
Any reason the chemical formula would need to be different for either?
For me it was between ONR (due to its many uses) and DIY, but the fac that DIY is harder to acquire is why I still use ONR despite DIY being slightly better at cleaning (noticeably better if we are talking a super messy car which ONR might have trouble with). I can't justify paying extra for weeklong shipping when I can get free shipping on Amazon for ONR and get it the next day. If DIY ever sells their products on Amazon under Amazon Prime, I might finally make the full switch.
The problem with this test is that it doesnt mimick any real world examples. The point is to remove or lift. This video doesnt show this in any way.
What about P&S Absolute?
Very interesting experiment. Would love to see how P&S Absolute Rinselss Wash compares to the ONR which looks fantastic from your results.
Please do a P&S Absolute Rinseless Wash experiment.
I’m now wondering about this if a rinseless wash like ONR can separate the dirt like this. Then what would a water purification product do as a rinseless separating dirt and grime.
Onr does very little to remove any kind of oily road film. It's just good at removing loose dirt. Kinda like a regular ph neutral soap, but even worse.
Maybe I am missing something here, or I don´t quite understand the test and/or I am interpreting the results in a wrong way, but in my opinion, this "test" does NOT show in any way, shape or form that ONR really "encapsulates". And it´s in my opinion a really really good example of how you can manipulate viewers into buying into marketing terminology with seemingly scientific testing.
What we see in this test and video is that in the ONR cup there is some sort of separation. The dirt / dirty water separates from the ONR solution. Whereas in the other two cups, there is no separation.
In my view and opinion, this is NOT encapsulation. It is, in fact, quite the opposite. When I see a separation like this, then the dirt is NOT encapsulated. If we translate the results of this test into the real world and application on a car, then this would mean that if I spray ONR on a panel, then ONR will sit on top of the dirt whereas the dirt will "sink" down onto the panel. So, as soon as I touch the panel with a mitt or towel, my mitt / towel is gliding on the layer of ONR and I drag the dirt along the panel - which is exactly what I DON´T want.
If I translate the findings of this test on the other two products into the real world, then they emulsify / encapsulate / whatever, meaning they mix with the dirt, and then when I use my mitt / towel then there is a mix of product, water and dirt which I drag along the panel - which is safer than dragging the dirt along the panel.
What I´m interested in is to see what happens if you pour some olive oil into the same cup. I´m pretty sure you would see a similar kind of separation. Does that mean that olive oil also "encapsulates"?
Again, maybe I´m missing something here, but I really don´t see how this test prooves in any way, shape or form how ONR actually "encapsulates" something. And I´m even more shocked that noone else seems to realize this and how so many people just take what was said in this video and blindly repeat it without critically thinking about what they just saw.
Bin ebenfalls erst fasziniert gewesen und habe mich aber im nachhinein gefragt, ob der unterschied wirklich so gigantisch sein kann, oder hier schlicht und einfach etwas anderes als abkapseln passiert. Du hast meinen Gedankengang ziemlich detailliert ausgeführt, danke dir
@@Duusin 💪👍🙏
@@Duusin du kannst mal einfach für dich das exakt gleiche Experiment nachstellen und einen guten Schuss Olivenöl ins Glas kippen. Es wird den selben Effekt haben. Beweist das jetzt, dass Olivenöl ein geeigneter Reiniger wäre? 😉
Sehr gute und richtige Stellungnahme Andreas 👍🏻👍🏻
I really like ONR but it adds protection which I don’t want. I’ve bought DIY Detail to try out. People seem very happy with that. Maybe it works on a 5 way to ONR?
it would have been interesting if you added the ONR to the other two cups AFTER the other pructs were put in the cups to see if the ONR would've cleared those cups...
I'd like to hear from Yvan and Nick on this.
Yes I would like to hear their thoughts as well. @diydetailofficial
They are both salesmen. Does it really matter what they say? Trust your eyes not your ears.
@@gk7588I trust chemistry, not a 3 minute video 😂😂😂😂. It took something like 2 years of R&D to make DIY rinseless wash. I remember being young and naive. You’ll learn as you grow.
Look above and they replied with very in depth response.
Look through the comments. Yvan did speak on this
Great test, can you showcase ONR V Labocosmetica Idrosave in the same test?
great video. thanks for sharing
All I see here is yet another reason not to buy ONR. If the safest way to wash the vehicle is to provide enough lubricity that think about it - when emulsifing the dirt with surfactant to particles so small that all the do is they stain water they’re safe right? And if you go on and wash a little dirtier vehicle with a polymer theres not much polymers left in it as all of them cling to the dirt and go down to the bottom. And to reuse the water over and over again as beeing advertised doesn’t make it better. Washing with almost pure water only is not the best idea either. Tried most rinseless washes on the market and ONR is so far the worst I’ve tried with poorest lubricity and overall experience for me.
I was thinking a good product should pull things towards the top or best would be to have the dirt in the middle, right?
Like if all the dirt is at the bottom then when you use a sponge to clean it and finally a towel to dry then it would all rub on the paint. Am I getting this wrong?
You're right. That's emulsifying dirt and oils.
@@yftinthyn007 Thanks for confirming this as I was confused with many videos just talking about sending dirt to the bottom.
However, when thinking more about what is happening, I might be misunderstanding this. This behavior would be good for cleaning if the particles near the bottom are still enclosed/locked by the product molecules and there is still a film of water and product molecules between the dirt particles and the paint surface.
Correct
Ok...pretty amazing !
I found the onr scratched the paint more than the DIY detail
Would it be more accurate if you mixed a bucket of each chemical according to their directions? And then took a sample from the bucket and put that in the dirty water?
Thanks for the video. It would be interesting if P&S Absolute is included in this experiment.
I am 99.9% certain that P&S Absolute was the competition on the original video OPT posted on their channel. I have a link in the description to check out!
@@DetailProjects Good to know. I think you are right when the competition on the video looks as milky as P&S Absolute.
Was definitely absolute, could see the label through the white sticker
Very interesting... the newer onr is not as slick ... they need to update or bring back version 3
why not use the ONR cap to measure them all ?
Cross contamination
While this test is great for ONR in a cup, on a car panel results look and feel different, and to be fair everyone has always known ONR is a great product. But like I said with pre spray and a sponge method all these do great. Just some leave a residue, those of us who use rinseless on a daily already know which product is cleaner after the wipe off , which one needs another pass. Which one leaves absolutely nothing behind. Most of us have seen the results on our clients cars. ONR cleans and does encapsulate as we’ve seen for years but others clean the panels better imo the panels aren’t cleaner with ONR, I could even throw in ECOwash from OP, or Hydra from phoenix EOD as well wipe out is another good cleaner. A real test is to use them on car panels by just spraying them on a panel and letting them soak in and rinse off then you’ll see which is grabbing more , which looks cleaner ans some even feel slicker. What this shows us here is ONR pushes dirt down faster. Still awesome video.
YOU COULD HAVE USE THE O.N.R. CAP FOR MEASUREMENT ON ALL 3 CUPS AND IT STILL WOULDN'T MATTER O.N.R. BLUE IS THE BEST OF ALL RINSE·LESS WASH PRODUCT AND FOR SO MANY USAGES
ONR is the goat 🐐
I had switched to McKees because ONR doesn’t really remove traffic film but n914 does. But this has me ready to go back.
Fantastic video , i am fanatic rinseless wash . I'm curious to see Carpro eco2 vs Onr , i use eco2 and onr
Pleaseeeee same product vs eco2
Lmao it’s so obvious that the “brand x” was p&s absolute
I would like to see Yvan respond to that.
The grit was not necessary but great video nonetheless
nice'
Despite the optics of this, somehow DIY Detail just cleans better…..
Brilliant demonstration, how much ONR would you need to add to a 20L bucket for it to be effective?
Why? Maybe I am missing something here, or I don´t quite understand the test and/or I am interpreting the results in a wrong way, but in my opinion, this "test" does NOT show in any way, shape or form that ONR really "encapsulates". And it´s in my opinion a really really good example of how you can manipulate viewers into buying into marketing terminology with seemingly scientific testing.
What we see in this test and video is that in the ONR cup there is some sort of separation. The dirt / dirty water separates from the ONR solution. Whereas in the other two cups, there is no separation.
In my view and opinion, this is NOT encapsulation. It is, in fact, quite the opposite. When I see a separation like this, then the dirt is NOT encapsulated. If we translate the results of this test into the real world and application on a car, then this would mean that if I spray ONR on a panel, then ONR will sit on top of the dirt whereas the dirt will "sink" down onto the panel. So, as soon as I touch the panel with a mitt or towel, my mitt / towel is gliding on the layer of ONR and I drag the dirt along the panel - which is exactly what I DON´T want.
If I translate the findings of this test on the other two products into the real world, then they emulsify / encapsulate / whatever, meaning they mix with the dirt, and then when I use my mitt / towel then there is a mix of product, water and dirt which I drag along the panel - which is safer than dragging the dirt along the panel.
What I´m interested in is to see what happens if you pour some olive oil into the same cup. I´m pretty sure you would see a similar kind of separation. Does that mean that olive oil also "encapsulates"?
Again, maybe I´m missing something here, but I really don´t see how this test prooves in any way, shape or form how ONR actually "encapsulates" something. And I´m even more shocked that noone else seems to realize this and how so many people just take what was said in this video and blindly repeat it without critically thinking about what they just saw.
@@AndreasSchwarzinger it seems I too have misunderstood the test and was initially impressed with a demo of water displacement having had no prior knowledge of ONR and its magical dirt encapsulating technology.
Are you saying the whole ONR rinseless cleaning system is just a gimmick?
I have to admit that I was believing the facts in the video to be true as I’d expect content creators to be factually accurate when making content and as you point out it’s definitely not the case here so that’s disappointing 😤
Interesting, but i still rather see a clean sponge..before i hit the paint. I'm also in the minority, i really could care less about a few swirls, i polish my car every summer. DIY and N914 are better cleans than absolute, for off label its very apparent- i experiment with a lot of surfaces inside my house and workplace - just for fun. I never used ONR. In the OPT video it was clearly absolute, which is ok too. But i prefer DIY. Can't wait to try the polymer rinseless for Labocosmetica however. Zero interest in ONR after reading just today it stains wash media? That can't be true!? Bumper if that's true IMO. I'll pass.
Great on ceramic coated cars.
+dyidetail this is very disappointing 🥴
tbh you just kinda winged it, not very scientific.
I dont understand the point here when u do this test vs a real world test washing a car that is dirty same dirty panels with these 3 products will show that 1 cleans pefect and the other 2 is garbage ?
To many bad reviews for ONR
ridiculous video. i have an idea how about 3x cups with 256 mls in them then put 1 ml in each of them and just some dirt not a shovel load then see what happens
The exact same outcome! Try it for yourself and see!
worst pepsi challenge ever!
@diydetail