Hillarious. My question is, why would we even ask any medical doctor about vitamins, minerals or dietary advice? i.e. How to become healthy. It is common knowledge that any Dr gets perhaps a couple days training in it at med school.
I avoid these two doctors, because their hammy demeanor is disrespectful to viewers who have necessarily taken it upon themselves to shun pharmaceuticals and the discouraging "don't worry your pretty little head" attitude of WebMD, and the like. It's insulting that we are presumed to be on a quest for entertainment -- we're busy trying to not die -- despite the bull$#!+ "just eat a well-balanced diet" advice that GP's keep tucked in their back pocket. Regarding the gold standard, clinical trials, I am angered that these doctors conveniently overlook the fact that there is no financial incentive for such studies to even receive funding, because Big Pharma are rat ba$tards who value money -- and that's it. These are simple nutrients -- not exotic, patentable pharmacologics. We, the patients, are forced to take it upon ourselves, and to experiment loosely upon our own bodies because our unvalued lives are otherwise shortened by the ignorance of front line medical practitioners and their laughably minimal nutritional education. "Shut up and take your pills" is the wrong advice to be giving.
I’ve had atherosclerosis and my cardiologist inserted drug-eluding stents in both my legs to improve blood flow. He did blood serum tests before surgery that showed very low levels of vitamin d - almost at the rickets level. I was prescribed an emergency megadose of 50000 IU of vitamin D3 to bring my levels back up. My research also led me to a book by a Canadian lady doctor who described ground-breaking research that showed that vitamin D3 supplementation ( and also sun exposure) led to the release of large amounts of calcium from the gut into the bloodstream, and additional vitamin k2 supplementation helped move the calcium to the bone, instead of clogging up the arteries. So I started doing vitamin D3+ k2 supplementation -OTC available in most drugstores.
Thanks for this. As a post-menopausal woman if taking K2 in addition to my D3 doesn't do any harm, finding out it may be doing some good is enough for me to carry on doing what I'm doing.
Thanks to both doctors for taking your time to appear in this video to educate us globally. In spite of my daily 90mins exercise with weight bearing programs, my bone density is on the borderline of osteopenia. My GP recommended twice a year injection claimed to improve my bone density. As a medication-free person, I forego my GP's advice and started taking the K2VitD3 plus Magnesium supplements along with my balanced diet meals. Once again thanks for sharing your unbiased medical knowledge.
Decided to follow you after this video. Really appreciate the emphasis on science and studies but keeping an open mind and doing it all with humor. Excellent! More please...
Solid research out of university of Alberta linking D3 with positive reduction in dementia just came out. Being an old fart with chemo brain, anything that helps reduce dementia is a good thing. 😊
There are studies now linking low Cholesterol with dementia. So protein and healthy fats, keep your brain healthy. Sea salts or pink Himalayan salts help with dehydration, which also in severe cases leads to all sorts of gastric issues and brain fog memory issues.
Because I live in New England, I can't get enough vitamin D 3 during the winter months. I've been taking D3 + k2 mk7 from Sept. to May for years. I'd heard the K2 took the calcium out of the blood and put it in the bone and took a Dexa scan to see the condition of the bone density. It showed a very high level of bone density, right at the top of the chart. I can't say that the K2 affected it definitively, but something certainly seemed to be affecting it, keeping it elevated. I'm a Senior, mid 70's and the Tech was impressed at my bone density level at my age. I think I'll keep taking it. Your results my vary.
In 2021 I had a chest CT that that showed aortic arthrosclerosis. Later that year I was diagnosed with osteopenia and started taking K2 and D3. Fast-forward a year and a half, I had a CT angiogram and the aortic arthrosclerosis was gone. no other changes in my diet no other changes in my activity just added D3 and K2. So no one can convince me that it doesn’t work! My HX 64 year old female post menopausal at 52. Familial Hypercholestremia with TC 302 LDL 203 HDL 100ish since mid 20s. BTW CAC score was zero, no plaque and no calcification.
Yes, it does work. The combination has reversed my osteopenia. People could also argue that it doesn't work, but it worked for me. My doctor suggested it and I listened.
K2 not reducing the incidence of fracture is very easy to understand: magnesium makes bone hard not calcium. Of course you need calcium, and vitamin D and K2 will drive calcium into your bone and increase bone density but without magnesium, bone will not necessarily get harder. Unfortunately, a lot of people and unfortunately a lot of older people don't get enough magnesium from food and would need a supplement. It's really sad to see that when doctors are prescribing calcium they will prescribe a supplement with only calcium in it. It would be much better if they prescribed a supplement with both calcium and magnesium. A little boron might also help.
@MohammadAlhamdan-bw4rlYou are right! I highly recommend you invest in some RNA Reset ReMag (magnesium) and ReMyte (trace minerals). These are liquids which you put in your water or tea, coffee etc. They are top shelf and invented by Dr Carolyn Dean, the queen of magnesium. I have been using both for 4 years and love them. If you only take 3 supplements, they should be: ReMag, ReMyte and D3+k2 (preferably liquid or a spray). Surthrival make the best D3+k2.
@@johnnemo4146 Taking calcium and magnesium together is not a problem if you have a calcium to magnesium ratio from 1.7 to 2 (often listed as 2:1). You can google this and you will find good references for this. Of course, you can optimize the absorption of each mineral by taking them separately (still aim for overall 2:1 ratio) but taking them together with the correct ratio will work fine.
My family physician, who I've been going to for 35 years, put me on Vitamin D2 50,000 IU once weekly. I asked him if I should take K2 with the D2 since I've seen so much on TH-cam about the importance of taking both together. He said he had never heard of that. Had no idea what I was talking about. It surprised me. He is not an idiot. He's very intelligent. How can a doctor not know this? It's not like he just became an MD last week.
@garyhall650. - same situation for me! 50,000 units weekly prescribed by my Dr. no mention of vitamin K to take with it. I discovered this info on TH-cam. 😮
I take 10,000 D3 with 100 K2 as MK seven. I’ve heard many doctor say that you need to take your D3 daily. That’s how you get your K2 mixed in with it. Those are important to take together and also I have heard you need to take zinc as well with the other two it is also extremely important to take magnesium
This was very informative! Good point Dr. Z inquiring why no RCT by the supplement companies! I take MK7 because of family history of atherosclerosis, but I also eat a varied, mostly plant based diet. Maybe I will just save my money and wait for the evidence. Thanks for the thought provoking content!
It’s not a good point at all. No double-blind randomised control trial ? Why would any one company fund such a study if there is no benefit by way of a patent? So its competitors can potentially freeload the good news ? We’re not taking novel pharmaceuticals here.
What I wanna know is what happens if you take K2 and vitamin E.. I googled it and the awnser is alarming.. more people need to talk about this before bad things happen
Personal - 3 generations of osteo-p & teeth loss; 7 years ago my teeth began crumbling - two pulled; after research I started D3+k2 - within two weeks (had dental to remove 3rd tooth - which was saved) my teeth began healing. No tooth issues since - I presumed my teeth seemingly 'disintegrating' had to do with lack of the K2 + D3. I will keep taking them. Statistics, by their very nature, are not personal. People need to learn their own body which can be a bit of trial and error. Most 'health care providers' I've interacted with in last 20-30 years, had no interest in nutrition nor getting to the root cause of any issue - they are only interested in treating symptomatically and getting you out the door. In doctor's defense many patients are not happy unless they are prescribed 'a pill' to cure their ill rather than do the hard work of repairing their diets, exercise and life routines (my own extended family included!) .
Worth checking with your doctor how much D3 you should take if you take it daily. There is a recommended upper limit especially if taken daily. The limit might be based on body weight or other factors, so just check with a professional to be on the safe side 🙂
We generate between 25,000-50,000 IU in the sun, so 7,000 IU is not unreasonable, especially if you are older. A 70yo generates about 25% of the amount that the average 18yo generates naturally. There's no upper limit on K2. No harm in investigating increasing that. I take the Athletic Greens D3/K2 drops that have 1,000 IU of D3 per drop and 140mcg of K2. Similar to you, I have 7 drops each day.
@@austin2842 I got "Mega K2" from Life Extension (45,000mcg of MK4 per capsule!) and "Nattokanise" from Swanson which is mostly MK7. Good luck with it all 👍
I’m hoping this will happen for me as well. I had extremely cold sensitive teeth. Started taking 5000 IU D3 and 200mcg K2 last winter. I’m hoping to reduce tooth sensitivity.
Being an Ms patient with virtually no absorption of D3 , I found that D3 in fairly high dosage, combined with k2 really helped a lot. Ihave had no lesions in the last 9 years .
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Even when hypervitaminosis D occurs, treatment is simple and permanent damage is rare.68,69 A large ecological study of high vitamin D supplementation took place by accident when in 1990-1992 a dairy in the Boston area accidentally fortified milk with 230,000IU/quart instead of 400IU/quart: 575 times the intended amount. 70 The overage remained undiscovered for two years, as despite taking in this high dose day after day most customers did not become ill; but eventually Boston area emergency departments linked the resultant approximately 19 cases of vitamin D toxicity to the dairy.70,71 The only sufferer who did not recover died of pneumonia due to immune compromise from the prednisone given her as treatment, rather than from effects of hypercalcemia.70,72 The jury found that the dairy’s dramatic error did not cause the decedent’s death.
Excellent video! I always appreciate the nuanced yet simple talking points and careful attention to the research. Can't wait to see what the eventual RCTs show.
Uhh Doctor's, you seemed to get lost in your own conversation and actually failed to answer the question asked in your choosen title for this video.....is there a possible synergistic benefit of taking vitamin K2 together with D3??? Just mentioning there is a lack of RCT's on vitamin K2, does not answer in any way, if there is a possible benefit of taking these two vitamins together?? 🤔 And so, I feel mislead by your video title! 😥
Hey, I like them bc their info is delivered with humour unlike other videos. Also they’re doctors that are not pushing supplement companies. Stick to your boring information videos if you don’t like these docs and stop whining.
@@MayBee-gb5rgplenty of other rambling videos you can watch without the humour, these docs deliver info in a fun way, I like them. Plus they’re not pushing their own supplements or supplement companies.
I love your channel so much. I'm constantly learning new things from you both, including your occasional guest. As a personal trainer certified in nutritional education and weight management, I basically know how to help encourage people to eat better and avoid supplements, but you know very few people are listening to us. Well, I'm listening to you. You are heard. Thank you for giving us enough of a deep dive to thoroughly understand what's important, what's not, what should be completely avoided and what needs more research, while explaining it in a way that we can comprehend and repeat to our friends pushing the latest and greatest K1234 (or whatever) in the gyms and local nutrition stores 💪🏽
There was a quick mention about natto not being good. I wish they would elaborate on this more. My pregnant wife thinks it's amazing and eats a lot of it.
As someone who has been on coumadin in the past, which by the way does calcify your arteries, as K1 is blocked. Taking K2 did not interfere with my INR levels. I eat some vegetables, but my main focus is beef. I take D3 -K2 every other day, also very important to take magnesium with it. I don't take calcium supplements, I get enough calcium through dairy.
Been watching you guys for a few years. Suggestion, as a wife of a doctor, you might wanna bring in more women for guest doctors! Lotta women tune into you than you think! Love what you’re doing. Thank you. Love your quirky sense of humor. Don’t change!!
Non prendere insieme D3 e K2 vanno in conflitto, hanno gli stessi recettori se viene assorbito uno non viene assorbito l'altro, bisogna prenderli a distanza di almeno 6 ore; a colazione la D3 e a cena la k2
Love the humor! One question.. Recent research I have read shows that K2 needs to be taken separately from D3. I have taken it together for a few years. When I worked in the ICU in a hospital in Hutchinson, KS, the doctors there were doing a lot of research on Vitamin D and increased morbity of people with low Vitamin D levels around 2009-2010. I just recently saw a ND say to take them separately. I have yet to look for the data .. but am wondering if I need to change my regimen. Thank you.
Great question. To be honest when we looked at the data we were not totally convinced that you even need K2. Seems odd that you would take them separately if the goal is to prevent calcium from getting into the vessels. Hopefully more research to come
I love you guys, but no matter what you say, and being in charge of my own health, I will NOT eat a cup of kale, period period period. That reminds me-I need to mow my lawn.
Baby kale is great, just like any other lettuce type leaf. I agree with you, grown-up kale is just not going into my mouth unaccompanied. I do put it into my smoothie which includes 1 cup of frozen wild blueberries and 1/2 cup of frozen cranberries. Those cranberries overpower the taste of the gross stuff. Of course, you have to like the taste of cranberries!
Ive been taking vit D + K2 since covid. Recently I upped my dose a little and it seemed to take away some vertigo I was having. (This was the advice of my sister's doctor for her) About 10 drops a day.
Dr vegan multi vitamins have it in. It's supposed to be 2 a day but I decided to take one a day. That way I'm getting a top up on many nutrients but not enough to negatively affect me.
Thank you for this video. I have been taking K2 since I had a cardiac calcium score of 1900 and 3 stents. Nobody told me to do this but I have read that it helps to keep the calcium out of the blood and into the bones. Of course I have no idea if it helps but it makes me feel better.
Great video and I’m very interested to see your next one. There’s such conflicting views on D3 RDA itself; some as low as 800IU, others as high as 10,000 IU - then there’s the grey area of how vital K2 is with the aforementioned high dose. I find it all quite confusing.
I’m from Sydney, Australia 🇦🇺 I had been talking vitamin D as my doctor 🧑⚕️ said, I’m low on it 2 years because I do night duty and don’t get enough sun and I don’t like to get sunburn 🥵 because in Australia they get a lot of skin cancer but recently I had been taking Vitamin D with K2 combined as it’s sell them together and I heard that Vitamin K2 is good for 😊 So I’m happy to know that I don’t have to buy D with K2 after watching you because it costs more than a regular vitamin D 👍as soon, I finished this I’ll just take vitamin D by itself 😊 So thank you 🙏 😊👋
I once listened to a talk about Vit A and Vit D, rather than Vit K. This person reckoned that VIt A is a neglected vitamin and we don't take in enough of it, whereas K is more common - it was a long time ago and I don't remember the detail, but the person seemed knowledgeable. Will somebody please talk some more about Vit A and Vit D?
Eat a good diet, that’s the key. I am vegetarian but I couldn’t give up dairy, I enjoy milk yogurt and cheese too much. I have been taking K2 for a few years thinking it would keep my arteries clear but clearly my diet is doing that for me it seems. So thank you Docs you’ve saved me €20 on a tub of K2 every two months. I’m just lining the pockets of a drug supplement company. So that’s the end of that. 👍🏼
Hi Doctors, I went to my Dr. The other day and he found that I had a heart murmur. Now I am 73 years old, this is the first time that a Dr. Told me that he heard a murmur. I am taking 10,000 Iu's of vitamin D3, and 100 mgs of vitamin K2. Now the Dr said I might want to stop the K2 because of the murmur. Now I know you two don't know me, but does taking K2 make the build up around my heart valves worse?
Interesting post. I went to a PCP for pre-op (rotator cuff repair) testing and told the pcp attending i was taking 100mcg Vitamin K as well as 15000 units D3. The pcp attending did not know about vitamin K and said I was taking too much vitamin D3. My surgeon PA said I had a very good Vitamin D level for surgery after the tests from the PCP. How may people with no medical knowledge or background get responsible answers from the medical community?
It is hard to say and depending on your rate of absorption 15000 IU may be too high. There is a lot of garbage info out there on social media and many doctors don’t know much about nutrition
Loss of bone is caused by a decrease in estrogen after menopause. Osteoporosis is also hereditary. Thin white women with light bone structure tend to have osteoporosis.
I’ve been on a daily calcium supplement (I’m lactose intolerant) with K2 for a few months now, and notice that the tartar on my teeth has disappeared. Hope its doing the same for my arteries. I take 60,000IU of D3 once a month after a meal with some oil in it, as both D3 and K are fat soluble vitamins. Safe dose. I have a PhD in Biochemistry with 5 publications on Vitamin D
Why have you chosen to take the Vitamin D dose once a month, rather than 2,000IU daily? Do you feel it makes no difference? Or, do you think it's better? Thank you.
@@seascape35 I find it convenient. It is stored in the liver and fatty tissues and is used as required. I monitor my Serum D3 levels regularly and am nowhere near toxicity. 2000IU/ day is good in my opinion.
Thank you for your videos to help us understand. Two years ago I was diagnosed with osteoporosis. I watched and read so much on the internet about it, like you said, the majority had something to sell. I started V K2 and 4000 VD, my calcium intake was sporadic because of reading threat to heart, etc. and monthly Actonel, after 18 months another bone scan showed my osteoporosis was now osteopenia. I do strength training twice a week and try to keep moving. I’m going to be 70. I thought it was the Vitamin D and K that helped me. Sounds like everything is a gamble.
For me i had a little trouble making sense of what was being said, i think to me there was a lot of rambling talk, it could just be me, K2 was mentioned often, then i heard it was K, I'm unclear about dialogue,
Yes I agree, they are cardiologists and they are going to agree with big pharma companies with all the side effects that keeps the DOCTORS in business. They should have mentioned taking Magnesium along with d3 and k2
Please do another video on the difference between MK 4 and MK 7. I understand that MK 7 is more beneficial in helping the bones absorb the calcium from the blood. Because cows are fed grain instead of grass now, as you mentioned, we need the MK 7 to help with this, right? (I also use butter made from grass-fed cows.) Thanks for your fun and informative content!
As a Subscriber, we look forward to your honest insights and perspective. Love the discussion between you. You mention quickly researching topical scientific research papers. How can I do this? Can you explain in a video? Blessings.
Thank you docs! I've learned so much. In Saskatchewan we have our health records online so we can see the results of some blood tests. How do we decipher these numbers?
I just started giving my mom D3 and K2 about a week ago and if the study out of Alberta, Canada is true maybe that will help with her dementia as well. I think there is a cure for dementia out there. It’s just that some of these big pharmaceutical companies are holding back so they can get more money grants and donations, they get a bigger salary
Sorry to hear that about your mom. Try to put your mom on low carb diet. No potatoes, bread, pasta. I'm taking Cod liver oil made in Norway. Little pricey 60$ Canadian for 500 ml. EPA and DHA are very important for brain functions. Look up Dr Cywes, Berg, Egberg. Stay away from SAD diet. Avocado's, Fatty meat, eggs, cheese. Fasting is important. I do two meals a day with 18 hours fasting. Lost 30 lbs in a month now just maintaining my weight.
The major problem with all supplements is users have no clue what’s actually in the bottle. A few manufacturers have “independent “ labs test their products others say trust us. The lobbying in Washington to shield the supplement industry from regulatory oversight is causing damage to people. Consumer lab is a good source for research
The FDA is actually protecting the pharmaceutical industry by not validating supplements. And because the supplement industry doesn't get the government subsidies and price support of the pharmaceutical industry, supplement companies actually _don't_ have the free money to fund lots of testing.
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Rare quality, video actually puts each type of evidence into context and provides nuance without just running with mechanistic ideas. Great stuff
They are vilifying nattou! AARRGGHH! That happens to be my number one favourite food. I call it the Époisses of the soy world.
This combination of D3 and K2 has been know for years. Glad to see the medical doctors are listening to other health care doctors.
Vitamin D3 is freely available from sunshine / sunbath, why should combine D3 with K2 ??
Hillarious. My question is, why would we even ask any medical doctor about vitamins, minerals or dietary advice? i.e. How to become healthy. It is common knowledge that any Dr gets perhaps a couple days training in it at med school.
@@kevintrye7605particularly my dr.
I avoid these two doctors, because their hammy demeanor is disrespectful to viewers who have necessarily taken it upon themselves to shun pharmaceuticals and the discouraging "don't worry your pretty little head" attitude of WebMD, and the like. It's insulting that we are presumed to be on a quest for entertainment -- we're busy trying to not die -- despite the bull$#!+ "just eat a well-balanced diet" advice that GP's keep tucked in their back pocket.
Regarding the gold standard, clinical trials, I am angered that these doctors conveniently overlook the fact that there is no financial incentive for such studies to even receive funding, because Big Pharma are rat ba$tards who value money -- and that's it. These are simple nutrients -- not exotic, patentable pharmacologics.
We, the patients, are forced to take it upon ourselves, and to experiment loosely upon our own bodies because our unvalued lives are otherwise shortened by the ignorance of front line medical practitioners and their laughably minimal nutritional education.
"Shut up and take your pills" is the wrong advice to be giving.
@@kevintrye7605 Same goes for covid.
im impressed. they knew their stuff and didnt go directly into dismissing the vitamin.
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I’ve had atherosclerosis and my cardiologist inserted drug-eluding stents in both my legs to improve blood flow. He did blood serum tests before surgery that showed very low levels of vitamin d - almost at the rickets level. I was prescribed an emergency megadose of 50000 IU of vitamin D3 to bring my levels back up. My research also led me to a book by a Canadian lady doctor who described ground-breaking research that showed that vitamin D3 supplementation ( and also sun exposure) led to the release of large amounts of calcium from the gut into the bloodstream, and additional vitamin k2 supplementation helped move the calcium to the bone, instead of clogging up the arteries. So I started doing vitamin D3+ k2 supplementation -OTC available in most drugstores.
50,000 IU is not a megadose, I take 5,000 IU everyday during winter and do regularly blood checks for vitamin D.
U got zero,s wrong
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7238900/
Thanks for this. As a post-menopausal woman if taking K2 in addition to my D3 doesn't do any harm, finding out it may be doing some good is enough for me to carry on doing what I'm doing.
Think of taking magnesium as well.
Exactly. Myself, post-menopausal. I take Vitamin D3 w K2 being D deficient.
@@tctecsas9340yes, I added magnesium glycinate.
Did you take Vit d3 and k2 at the same time of the day ? what should be the apt time to take d3, k2 and Mg in a day ?
Thank you, Doctors! Has anyone here gotten their K vitamin(s) level tested and if so, how did it go?
This video is exactly why you two are the best!!
Thanks to both doctors for taking your time to appear in this video to educate us globally. In spite of my daily 90mins exercise with weight bearing programs, my bone density is on the borderline of osteopenia. My GP recommended twice a year injection claimed to improve my bone density. As a medication-free person, I forego my GP's advice and started taking the K2VitD3 plus Magnesium supplements along with my balanced diet meals. Once again thanks for sharing your unbiased medical knowledge.
You’re welcome. Many do recommend magnesium with vitamin D as well as K2. Good luck
@@TalkingWithDocs 💯
What brand do you use?
Decided to follow you after this video. Really appreciate the emphasis on science and studies but keeping an open mind and doing it all with humor. Excellent! More please...
Solid research out of university of Alberta linking D3 with positive reduction in dementia just came out. Being an old fart with chemo brain, anything that helps reduce dementia is a good thing. 😊
Agreed. Love the Golden Bears!
The study was done at the University of Calgary, which is located in Alberta. The University of Alberta is based in Edmonton, Alberta's capital city.
B12 helps too
@@ricknicholson5894 Dementia is caused by the food you eat!
There are studies now linking low Cholesterol with dementia.
So protein and healthy fats, keep your brain healthy.
Sea salts or pink Himalayan salts help with dehydration, which also in severe cases leads to all sorts of gastric issues and brain fog memory issues.
You both are appreciated so much for taking the time to share this with us
Because I live in New England, I can't get enough vitamin D 3 during the winter months. I've been taking D3 + k2 mk7 from Sept. to May for years. I'd heard the K2 took the calcium out of the blood and put it in the bone and took a Dexa scan to see the condition of the bone density. It showed a very high level of bone density, right at the top of the chart. I can't say that the K2 affected it definitively, but something certainly seemed to be affecting it, keeping it elevated. I'm a Senior, mid 70's and the Tech was impressed at my bone density level at my age. I think I'll keep taking it. Your results my vary.
@alanw7134 - May I ask what dosages you take of each and do you take them together?
@@deb_is_here1425
pmc.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/articles/PMC7238900/
How much K2 do you take if you don't mind me asking .
Did you take Vit d3 and k2 at the same time of the day ? what should be the apt time to take d3, k2 and Mg in a day ?
In 2021 I had a chest CT that that showed aortic arthrosclerosis. Later that year I was diagnosed with osteopenia and started taking K2 and D3. Fast-forward a year and a half, I had a CT angiogram and the aortic arthrosclerosis was gone. no other changes in my diet no other changes in my activity just added D3 and K2. So no one can convince me that it doesn’t work!
My HX 64 year old female post menopausal at 52. Familial Hypercholestremia with TC 302 LDL 203 HDL 100ish since mid 20s. BTW CAC score was zero, no plaque and no calcification.
Yes, it does work. The combination has reversed my osteopenia. People could also argue that it doesn't work, but it worked for me. My doctor suggested it and I listened.
@@chrisstepleton4761 May I ask the both of you how much D3 and K2 you took?
What dosage did u take?
@@zayaamad3080D3 5000 K2 300
@@airamsipuola5045D3 5000 K2 300
K2 not reducing the incidence of fracture is very easy to understand: magnesium makes bone hard not calcium. Of course you need calcium, and vitamin D and K2 will drive calcium into your bone and increase bone density but without magnesium, bone will not necessarily get harder. Unfortunately, a lot of people and unfortunately a lot of older people don't get enough magnesium from food and would need a supplement. It's really sad to see that when doctors are prescribing calcium they will prescribe a supplement with only calcium in it. It would be much better if they prescribed a supplement with both calcium and magnesium. A little boron might also help.
Along with collagen is helpful 😊
@MohammadAlhamdan-bw4rlYou are right! I highly recommend you invest in some RNA Reset ReMag (magnesium) and ReMyte (trace minerals). These are liquids which you put in your water or tea, coffee etc. They are top shelf and invented by Dr Carolyn Dean, the queen of magnesium. I have been using both for 4 years and love them. If you only take 3 supplements, they should be: ReMag, ReMyte and D3+k2 (preferably liquid or a spray). Surthrival make the best D3+k2.
I heard that one should take Calcium and Magnesium separately, because they compete against each other for absorption.
take calcium and magnesium separately, because they compete for absorption
@@johnnemo4146 Taking calcium and magnesium together is not a problem if you have a calcium to magnesium ratio from 1.7 to 2 (often listed as 2:1).
You can google this and you will find good references for this.
Of course, you can optimize the absorption of each mineral by taking them separately (still aim for overall 2:1 ratio) but taking them together with the correct ratio will work fine.
I’ve been watching a lot of your videos. They are always very informative! Thank you for taping them.
Glad you like them!
One of the best explanations of K1 and K2 that's I've seen. Thanks.
My family physician, who I've been going to for 35 years, put me on Vitamin D2 50,000 IU once weekly. I asked him if I should take K2 with the D2 since I've seen so much on TH-cam about the importance of taking both together. He said he had never heard of that. Had no idea what I was talking about. It surprised me. He is not an idiot. He's very intelligent. How can a doctor not know this? It's not like he just became an MD last week.
@garyhall650. - same situation for me! 50,000 units weekly prescribed by my Dr. no mention of vitamin K to take with it. I discovered this info on TH-cam. 😮
They don't teach them.
Probably has not kept up on continuing education in the last 40 years.
I take 10,000 D3 with 100 K2 as MK seven. I’ve heard many doctor say that you need to take your D3 daily. That’s how you get your K2 mixed in with it. Those are important to take together and also I have heard you need to take zinc as well with the other two it is also extremely important to take magnesium
It’s a trend. He probably learned it a long time ago, but right now this is a trend
You guys bring faces and voices to laymen worldwide. Thank you.
Just learned on another’s video taking Vitamin K2+D3 that Magnesium is needed at the same time & only take all 3 with a natural fat meal to absorb.
This was very informative! Good point Dr. Z inquiring why no RCT by the supplement companies! I take MK7 because of family history of atherosclerosis, but I also eat a varied, mostly plant based diet. Maybe I will just save my money and wait for the evidence. Thanks for the thought provoking content!
It’s not a good point at all. No double-blind randomised control trial ? Why would any one company fund such a study if there is no benefit by way of a patent? So its competitors can potentially freeload the good news ? We’re not taking novel pharmaceuticals here.
What I wanna know is what happens if you take K2 and vitamin E.. I googled it and the awnser is alarming.. more people need to talk about this before bad things happen
Personal - 3 generations of osteo-p & teeth loss; 7 years ago my teeth began crumbling - two pulled; after research I started D3+k2 - within two weeks (had dental to remove 3rd tooth - which was saved) my teeth began healing. No tooth issues since - I presumed my teeth seemingly 'disintegrating' had to do with lack of the K2 + D3. I will keep taking them.
Statistics, by their very nature, are not personal. People need to learn their own body which can be a bit of trial and error. Most 'health care providers' I've interacted with in last 20-30 years, had no interest in nutrition nor getting to the root cause of any issue - they are only interested in treating symptomatically and getting you out the door. In doctor's defense many patients are not happy unless they are prescribed 'a pill' to cure their ill rather than do the hard work of repairing their diets, exercise and life routines (my own extended family included!) .
You are absolutely right. All medications are blockers not cure. Things can be cured by natural way.
Right on point.
Did you take Vit d3 and k2 at the same time of the day ? what should be the apt time to take d3, k2 and Mg in a day ?
Another very interesting perspective & valuable information!
I'm currently on 7000 IU vitamin D + 120mcg K2 daily. I feel great, and haven't been ill in 5 years (except for a 2-day stint with covid).
Worth checking with your doctor how much D3 you should take if you take it daily. There is a recommended upper limit especially if taken daily. The limit might be based on body weight or other factors, so just check with a professional to be on the safe side 🙂
We generate between 25,000-50,000 IU in the sun, so 7,000 IU is not unreasonable, especially if you are older. A 70yo generates about 25% of the amount that the average 18yo generates naturally. There's no upper limit on K2. No harm in investigating increasing that. I take the Athletic Greens D3/K2 drops that have 1,000 IU of D3 per drop and 140mcg of K2. Similar to you, I have 7 drops each day.
@@pohaa Thanks for sharing, and I agree 100%. Looks like we're following the same research.
@@austin2842 I got "Mega K2" from Life Extension (45,000mcg of MK4 per capsule!) and "Nattokanise" from Swanson which is mostly MK7. Good luck with it all 👍
@@pohaathank you for sharing! I have this too and always wondered if 1 drop was enough.
I took Vitamin D3 & K2 together, helped a great deal with my dental health. I had sensitive teeth & the combination helped eliminate it.
What doses do you use?
I’m hoping this will happen for me as well. I had extremely cold sensitive teeth. Started taking 5000 IU D3 and 200mcg K2 last winter. I’m hoping to reduce tooth sensitivity.
Did you take Vit d3 and k2 at the same time of the day ? what should be the apt time to take d3, k2 and Mg in a day ?
Being an Ms patient with virtually no absorption of D3 , I found that D3 in fairly high dosage, combined with k2 really helped a lot. Ihave had no lesions in the last 9 years .
Thanks!
You are very kind ! Thank you !
Thanks you Doctors! Love the way you present the information for us.
For visual learners, it would be nice to have the important take away in text or ppt slides.
Noted
Turn on closed captioning
Click on MORE to expand the video description. Scroll down to the bottom and you'll see TRANSCRIPT. Click on Show Transcript. It will pop up on the right side (Windows). You can then copy sections out that have relevance to you. I save them in Notepad files along with the link to the video where they came from. This should work on an iPAD/MAC but I can't tell you if that's the case for phones.
I didn't do this at first but after hearing about this on TH-cam I have switched to a single K2 + D pill. That was probably 2 years ago.
Are the Dr's saying they should be taken separately?
@@lizrigby-jones3700 Oh sorry, I meant I was just taking vitamin D and no K2
@@lizrigby-jones3700 when search vitamin k i dont even SEE vitamin k sold WITHOUT d3 so i hope not!
Even when hypervitaminosis D occurs, treatment is simple and permanent damage is rare.68,69 A large ecological study of high vitamin D supplementation took place by accident when in 1990-1992 a dairy in the Boston area accidentally fortified milk with 230,000IU/quart instead of 400IU/quart: 575 times the intended amount. 70 The overage remained undiscovered for two years, as despite taking in this high dose day after day most customers did not become ill; but eventually Boston area emergency departments linked the resultant approximately 19 cases of vitamin D toxicity to the dairy.70,71 The only sufferer who did not recover died of pneumonia due to immune compromise from the prednisone given her as treatment, rather than from effects of hypercalcemia.70,72 The jury found that the dairy’s dramatic error did not cause the decedent’s death.
Excellent video! I always appreciate the nuanced yet simple talking points and careful attention to the research. Can't wait to see what the eventual RCTs show.
Love this doc duo, best, thx for the great content with this great humour
Doing our best. Thanks so much
Thank you for this video! You guys are awesome
Uhh Doctor's, you seemed to get lost in your own conversation and actually failed to answer the question asked in your choosen title for this video.....is there a possible synergistic benefit of taking vitamin K2 together with D3???
Just mentioning there is a lack of RCT's on vitamin K2, does not answer in any way, if there is a possible benefit of taking these two vitamins together?? 🤔
And so, I feel mislead by your video title! 😥
Right? Bunch of rambling. They should have just said we’re personally not sure. We just made a video to make a video lol
The answer is you have to take K2 to put the calcium back in your bones that the synthetic D3 took out
Hey, I like them bc their info is delivered with humour unlike other videos. Also they’re doctors that are not pushing supplement companies. Stick to your boring information videos if you don’t like these docs and stop whining.
@@MayBee-gb5rgplenty of other rambling videos you can watch without the humour, these docs deliver info in a fun way, I like them. Plus they’re not pushing their own supplements or supplement companies.
Yes. Definite benefits.
I love your channel so much. I'm constantly learning new things from you both, including your occasional guest.
As a personal trainer certified in nutritional education and weight management, I basically know how to help encourage people to eat better and avoid supplements, but you know very few people are listening to us.
Well, I'm listening to you. You are heard. Thank you for giving us enough of a deep dive to thoroughly understand what's important, what's not, what should be completely avoided and what needs more research, while explaining it in a way that we can comprehend and repeat to our friends pushing the latest and greatest K1234 (or whatever) in the gyms and local nutrition stores 💪🏽
There was a quick mention about natto not being good. I wish they would elaborate on this more. My pregnant wife thinks it's amazing and eats a lot of it.
Weren't they just joking about the slimy texture?
Thank you so much. I had been looking for this kind of information and to understand it. you two always make it very clear.
As someone who has been on coumadin in the past, which by the way does calcify your arteries, as K1 is blocked. Taking K2 did not interfere with my INR levels. I eat some vegetables, but my main focus is beef. I take D3 -K2 every other day, also very important to take magnesium with it. I don't take calcium supplements, I get enough calcium through dairy.
Hello, please, how much d3, k2 and magnesium do you take? And what kind of magnesium, glycinate or some other?
Can I take Vit d3 and k2 at the same time in a day ? what should be the apt time to take d3, k2 and Mg in a day ?
Thank you! I enjoyed your presentation and final comments at 12:54.😊
Been watching you guys for a few years.
Suggestion, as a wife of a doctor, you might wanna bring in more women for guest doctors!
Lotta women tune into you than you think!
Love what you’re doing.
Thank you.
Love your quirky sense of humor.
Don’t change!!
Do you insist on a female surgeon when you are having a heart attack also?
YES, we shall take vitamin K2 and D together.
not d take d3
@@GyanTvAmitthey are the same
@@boudy1k D2 is not the same as D3. D3 is superior.
D2 is not bioavailable and has to convert to D3 inside the body.
Non prendere insieme D3 e K2 vanno in conflitto, hanno gli stessi recettori se viene assorbito uno non viene assorbito l'altro, bisogna prenderli a distanza di almeno 6 ore; a colazione la D3 e a cena la k2
Love the humor! One question.. Recent research I have read shows that K2 needs to be taken separately from D3. I have taken it together for a few years. When I worked in the ICU in a hospital in Hutchinson, KS, the doctors there were doing a lot of research on Vitamin D and increased morbity of people with low Vitamin D levels around 2009-2010. I just recently saw a ND say to take them separately. I have yet to look for the data .. but am wondering if I need to change my regimen. Thank you.
Great question. To be honest when we looked at the data we were not totally convinced that you even need K2. Seems odd that you would take them separately if the goal is to prevent calcium from getting into the vessels. Hopefully more research to come
Love your honest take, guys!!
Merci beaucoup pour la gracieuseté de vos expertises, c'est un grand bien pour l'humanité.
Popular topic of discussion. Thank you for sharing the different perspectives
Always fun to learn about our health….Thanks 😊
I love you guys, but no matter what you say, and being in charge of my own health, I will NOT eat a cup of kale, period period period. That reminds me-I need to mow my lawn.
Too funny!
Really funny
Kales gross 🤢
Baby kale is great, just like any other lettuce type leaf. I agree with you, grown-up kale is just not going into my mouth unaccompanied. I do put it into my smoothie which includes 1 cup of frozen wild blueberries and 1/2 cup of frozen cranberries. Those cranberries overpower the taste of the gross stuff. Of course, you have to like the taste of cranberries!
Throw it in a smoothie, you can’t taste it
Calcification of soft plaque is a good thing, not a bad thing. Sof plaques are easier to rupture and cause clot formation.
Better to have no plaques.
@@NLR759 Better to be totally without any disease or any problems with organs or tissues till the time of death.
I’m glad to have found your channel. Educational.
Ive been taking vit D + K2 since covid. Recently I upped my dose a little and it seemed to take away some vertigo I was having. (This was the advice of my sister's doctor for her) About 10 drops a day.
Good job to increase your D and K. Try to get your D over 50 at least
Totally lost me in the middle.
So no idea if I should be taking anything now😢
Dr vegan multi vitamins have it in. It's supposed to be 2 a day but I decided to take one a day. That way I'm getting a top up on many nutrients but not enough to negatively affect me.
Basically try it if you feel you need too, it won’t hurt you and if it works for you, good.
Hi Docs! Yes and have been for 3 years! Speaking of ‘K’ 710K, congrats!🎉
Thanks doctors, very informative.
Thank you for this video. I have been taking K2 since I had a cardiac calcium score of 1900 and 3 stents. Nobody told me to do this but I have read that it helps to keep the calcium out of the blood and into the bones. Of course I have no idea if it helps but it makes me feel better.
Fair enough. Helps the bones. Jury out for now on the vessels but many trials ongoing
My first time here but I thoroughly enjoyed you guys.
Great video and I’m very interested to see your next one. There’s such conflicting views on D3 RDA itself; some as low as 800IU, others as high as 10,000 IU - then there’s the grey area of how vital K2 is with the aforementioned high dose. I find it all quite confusing.
We shall see
Have you seen .. I have the same question @@TalkingWithDocs
I’m from Sydney, Australia 🇦🇺
I had been talking vitamin D as my doctor 🧑⚕️ said, I’m low on it 2 years because I do night duty and don’t get enough sun and I don’t like to get sunburn 🥵 because in Australia they get a lot of skin cancer but recently I had been taking Vitamin D with K2 combined as it’s sell them together and I heard that Vitamin K2 is good for 😊
So I’m happy to know that I don’t have to buy D with K2 after watching you because it costs more than a regular vitamin D 👍as soon, I finished this I’ll just take vitamin D by itself 😊
So thank you 🙏 😊👋
You get enough k2 from a 🥚 so eggs for breakfast n d3 good start to the day 😊
You guys are great, great teachers! ….. as well as Docs.
I once listened to a talk about Vit A and Vit D, rather than Vit K. This person reckoned that VIt A is a neglected vitamin and we don't take in enough of it, whereas K is more common - it was a long time ago and I don't remember the detail, but the person seemed knowledgeable. Will somebody please talk some more about Vit A and Vit D?
Eat a good diet, that’s the key. I am vegetarian but I couldn’t give up dairy, I enjoy milk yogurt and cheese too much. I have been taking K2 for a few years thinking it would keep my arteries clear but clearly my diet is doing that for me it seems.
So thank you Docs you’ve saved me €20 on a tub of K2 every two months.
I’m just lining the pockets of a drug supplement company. So that’s the end of that. 👍🏼
Vegetarians can eat dairy you clown.
Hi Doctors, I went to my Dr. The other day and he found that I had a heart murmur. Now I am 73 years old, this is the first time that a Dr. Told me that he heard a murmur. I am taking 10,000 Iu's of vitamin D3, and 100 mgs of vitamin K2. Now the Dr said I might want to stop the K2 because of the murmur.
Now I know you two don't know me, but does taking K2 make the build up around my heart valves worse?
Interesting post. I went to a PCP for pre-op (rotator cuff repair) testing and told the pcp attending i was taking 100mcg Vitamin K as well as 15000 units D3. The pcp attending did not know about vitamin K and said I was taking too much vitamin D3. My surgeon PA said I had a very good Vitamin D level for surgery after the tests from the PCP.
How may people with no medical knowledge or background get responsible answers from the medical community?
It is hard to say and depending on your rate of absorption 15000 IU may be too high. There is a lot of garbage info out there on social media and many doctors don’t know much about nutrition
Loss of bone is caused by a decrease in estrogen after menopause. Osteoporosis is also hereditary. Thin white women with light bone structure tend to have osteoporosis.
Thanks so much. I will continue eating like the wild animal I am.
I’ve been on a daily calcium supplement (I’m lactose intolerant) with K2 for a few months now, and notice that the tartar on my teeth has disappeared. Hope its doing the same for my arteries. I take 60,000IU of D3 once a month after a meal with some oil in it, as both D3 and K are fat soluble vitamins. Safe dose. I have a PhD in Biochemistry with 5 publications on Vitamin D
Very cool.
Me also...😊
Why have you chosen to take the Vitamin D dose once a month, rather than 2,000IU daily?
Do you feel it makes no difference? Or, do you think it's better? Thank you.
@@seascape35 I find it convenient. It is stored in the liver and fatty tissues and is used as required. I monitor my Serum D3 levels regularly and am nowhere near toxicity. 2000IU/ day is good in my opinion.
Thank You for this video!
Glad it was helpful!
Thanks for this information.
I have been taking D3 n K2 feeling awesome
Do u take this together in 1 capsule or seperately at opposite times?
@katrinabennett2759 together. Dr Berg D3 plus K2
Can I take Vit d3 and k2 at the same time in a day ? what should be the apt time to take d3, k2 and Mg in a day ?
Excellent job You bring useful information at the level of ordinary people thank you
Doing our best
Yes, it is useful for ordinary people. And for me too.
Thank you for your videos to help us understand. Two years ago I was diagnosed with osteoporosis. I watched and read so much on the internet about it, like you said, the majority had something to sell. I started V K2 and 4000 VD, my calcium intake was sporadic because of reading threat to heart, etc. and monthly Actonel, after 18 months another bone scan showed my osteoporosis was now osteopenia. I do strength training twice a week and try to keep moving. I’m going to be 70. I thought it was the Vitamin D and K that helped me. Sounds like everything is a gamble.
Liquid form of vitamin D3 and liquid form of K2? I have a powder form of them in one capsule. Which is best?
Docs, can you do a video on natural supplements and their benefits in A1c reduction? Thanks
For me i had a little trouble making sense of what was being said, i think to me there was a lot of rambling talk, it could just be me, K2 was mentioned often, then i heard it was K, I'm unclear about dialogue,
Go and read it in the written transcript.
I agree too much rambling I just want one person to give clear, concise advice and information
Yes I agree, they are cardiologists and they are going to agree with big pharma companies with all the side effects that keeps the DOCTORS in business. They should have mentioned taking Magnesium along with d3 and k2
Thank you for the informative vid.
Is it true that kale erase iodine from your body please make a video on this subject 🎉
K1 and K2…are you guys equating the two or did I miss something?
Yes you missed something but the evidence is certainly debatable at this point
Always great knowledge and very entertaining to listen to, reminds me of Australian humour fantastic work Doctors.
Thank you. Seems answer is no one knows. So I don't put stuff in my body that I dont know if it is a good thing or not.
Please do another video on the difference between MK 4 and MK 7. I understand that MK 7 is more beneficial in helping the bones absorb the calcium from the blood. Because cows are fed grain instead of grass now, as you mentioned, we need the MK 7 to help with this, right? (I also use butter made from grass-fed cows.) Thanks for your fun and informative content!
We will add it to the list. But you definitely don’t need anything in cows milk that you can’t get elsewhere
Thank you guys👍
Thank you again Docs!
Very welcome!
My vit D level did not rise, even with taking 1000IU a day, until I took D3,K2 together. Now I just take it in the winter
Often the dose is 2000-3000IU nowadays
Good one, Docs!
I’m so confused, sooo.. do I take k2 with D3?
What is your thought on taking with a statin along with CoQ10? Any info regarding K2 and D3 in regard to cholesterol?
My mother keeps getting pneumonia. What's the best vitamins to combat that? ❤
I love these 2 doctors! I bet they're best buds, like Fred and Barney! 😁
Thank you Docs!
Welcome!
Thank you Doctors.
As a Subscriber, we look forward to your honest insights and perspective. Love the discussion between you. You mention quickly researching topical scientific research papers. How can I do this? Can you explain in a video? Blessings.
And then there's Dr Janine saying to take them several hours apart. I would expect a little more consensus between MDs.
Really?
When you are prescribed the EMERGENCY dose of vitamin D, how much vitamin k do you need to take WITH it??
Thanks for the informative video
Thank you docs! I've learned so much.
In Saskatchewan we have our health records online so we can see the results of some blood tests. How do we decipher these numbers?
Very helpful…. Thankyou 💪😵💫💯👏❤️
You are so welcome
I just started giving my mom D3 and K2 about a week ago and if the study out of Alberta, Canada is true maybe that will help with her dementia as well. I think there is a cure for dementia out there. It’s just that some of these big pharmaceutical companies are holding back so they can get more money grants and donations, they get a bigger salary
Sorry to hear that about your mom. Try to put your mom on low carb diet. No potatoes, bread, pasta. I'm taking Cod liver oil made in Norway. Little pricey 60$ Canadian for 500 ml. EPA and DHA are very important for brain functions. Look up Dr Cywes, Berg, Egberg. Stay away from SAD diet. Avocado's, Fatty meat, eggs, cheese. Fasting is important. I do two meals a day with 18 hours fasting. Lost 30 lbs in a month now just maintaining my weight.
Shame on them
Give proof when you accuse.
Thanks Gregory
I still don't understand whether to take it or not
You probably don’t need to but it isn’t dangerous
Really useful information thanks!
Glad it was helpful!
The major problem with all supplements is users have no clue what’s actually in the bottle. A few manufacturers have “independent “ labs test their products others say trust us. The lobbying in Washington to shield the supplement industry from regulatory oversight is causing damage to people. Consumer lab is a good source for research
The FDA is actually protecting the pharmaceutical industry by not validating supplements. And because the supplement industry doesn't get the government subsidies and price support of the pharmaceutical industry, supplement companies actually _don't_ have the free money to fund lots of testing.
We love you channel, very good information, tanks 💓