Seriously, I love you guys. I have fun making these videos, hopefully entertain you and you teach me physics in exchange. I will try to avoid stupid mistakes like that in the future, but I hope it atleast made you laugh *carla voice*. I will also try to do my best, to tell you more about german soap operas! Both sides should learn something valueable ❤ EDIT, 9 hours after upload: The Boost doesn't matter, as long as you don't have inputs while falling. I just tried it, don't worry. However....I found a slightly higher spot in the mission. The highest speed is 2074 and not 2072. I repeat: The highest speed is 2074 and no 2072. Now we can finally rest imgur.com/a/BVgAPR7
If the game is simulating real-world physics, AC weight shouldn't affect falling speed for the same reason that weight doesn't affect falling speed on Earth. Gravitational force provides a uniform acceleration regardless of mass, and I'm guessing they didn't want to try and model wind resistance beyond setting an upper limit on fall speed. Also, try falling in the NG version of the Rusty fight after you beat Rusty down those long caves, I bet those should give some good data!
that's what I thought, however air resistance is still a factor, and the heavier something is, the less effective air resistance is at slowing it down. also it's mass that doesn't effect falling speed, not weight
I legit had no idea hahaha, thank you so much for explaining! Btw. I tried the cave and as far I know you can't fall straight down without moving and ruining your momentum
@@ramen3643 Good catch on the mass vs weight distinction. Air resistance is a thing, but I'm guessing most games are coded on "spherical cow" physics. Density is important for considering air resistance, but so is surface area, and the heaviest arms do look a little bit like parachutes...
Actually mass would affect the falling speed of an AC. While he’s falling in the video, the tank legs are constantly providing upward thrust which is going be an equal amount of force across all ACs with the same booster configuration. Since the upward force provided by the boosters doesn’t change with mass, heavier ACs would fall faster than lighter ones. Within the game’s logic I suspect the vertical thrusters while not pressing any inputs are just an animation and provide no force, so this is purely a hypothetical, but technically he is right to test of the heaviest possible AC could give a time advantage on this level in case it is a mechanically implemented phenomenon.
Falling speed irl isnt defined by weight. Everything falls at the same speed. What changes it is how the object is shaped and how aerodynamic it is. Gravity affects everything the same.
They taught us in elementary school, back before public schooling was completely ruined in the USA, that a bowling ball and an ink pen, when dropped from a skyscraper simultaneously, would each land at the same time. Unless there is air pressure, as with a piece of paper or feather, the falling will be the same. However, considering that Armored Cores feature boosters that dampen fall speed, I would have expected the heavier AC to counteract that dampening, unless all boosters are configured to offer the same terminal velocity, regardless of weight, in order to preserve the equipment from a harsh landing.
So what can we conclude from the video is that there is no air resistance in Rubicon 3. So every thing that is free falling will reach the ground at the same time
I’m mostly just angry that there’s an enemy AC in the game that can jump on your head and we don’t get the option to use whatever he has that lets him do it, imagine doing one of these jumps as Mad Stomp
there is one thing you need to know not moving while booster is off will make you reach terminal velocity faster THIS IS IMPORTANT for this mission especially in phase 2 a "dead drop" is faster so position yourself in phase 2 and just wait for the booster is off all the legs have a "gravity mod" when booster is activated this will help them "float" down the space battleship yamato looking tank legs has the lowest gravity mod of the legs max terminal velocity of an AC no matter the weight (I'm guessing From Soft just didnt want to do physics calculation) is 1086 weird if you ask me that means no matter the "shape of a falling object" drag is the same which is weirder considering AC4 has some support for "drag" calculation with the Xobrero body taking advantage of that gimmick (it has a QB mod where its faster when second stagged) thanks to this video I found out some more things when you "spin" you accelerate by a few points....WEIRD
oh, I had no idea. This is super interesting to know. Is there any indicator in the game about the gravity mod? I literally just thought weight (yeah, I know now) matters and that's it. I didn't feel any increase in speed without the booster. in my pinned comment I mention that I reached 2074 without booster, but I also jumped from an higher point in the honest brute mission
@@VenxWD "gravity" is an invisible number in the game but is a visible modifier when viewing the regulation of the game my mistake the gravity mod is not attached to the legs I just got confused because tank legs are in that space as well correction BOOSTERS have a gravity mod hence why tank legs are part of it
@@ydobemos no, it isn't. You can tell by the UI saying "Boost On", and the fact that the thrusters are engaged. You fall much faster while moving if your boost is off, so the same logic could apply to not moving. I'm aware that you fall slower if you don't move. However, I'm convinced you fall even SLOWER if you don't move AND your boost is off.
My ex's biggest complaint with Armored Core 6 was how letting go of boost didn't just have the robot drop like a rock. She was like, "isn't this a giant robot?! why is it floating down like a feather?" I kind of agree. It is kind of lame how floaty they are. In oldgen, ACs just fell straight down.
agree that they feel really floaty in AC6, though according to V-Limit's video about size in AC6, Rubicon 3 is fully modeled in the end-game fights and, according to the models, clocks in at only 942km of diameter, which is just a bit over 7 percent of Earth's. Or about 2/5ths of the diameter of Pluto. So maybe gravity on Rubicon 3 is just really low?
you do drop like a rock at a certain point this is well "explained" by what you do in depths 1 if booster is on (TAKE NOTE OF THAT TEXT), you will drop slower for about 40 seconds? before you reach terminal velocity AS LONG AS YOU ARE NOT MOVING in any of the major axis spinning is fine for some unknown reason (you will know this when you watch the horizontal spinning 621 beating the crap out of the Nephentes vod) basically the space battleship yamato legs have a gravity mod of 100 points while all other legs have a gravity mod of 400 points I do not know what this means.... "generally speaking" do you drop 10 points? meters? per second? or what maybe 40 points? for other legs I modded this value and it does seem you drop faster even when you have boosters activated so... its accounting something
Reason you don't drop is because the booster stay on. You don't have control over when your boosters cut on and off other than just to turn them on which I think is kind of dumb
The moment he said "Let me tell you something about Berlin Tag und Nacht." killed me. Zum Glück kennt der Rest der Welt nicht diese Serie. Gutes Video, Zeit die Mission zu speedrunnen.
Ah what a fine scientific research that the mass doesn't affect falling speed for real xDDD. I mean the game could've made it different, but it's almost too weird to be done.
I'm pretty sure the hover tank legs have a lower falling speed, at least when moving to the side, so I wonder how those accelerate over time. Would they end up still slower or would they reach the same speed? These are the questions no one needs answered
“Terminal Velocity”。 Put it simple: get two ACs with same weight, but one with flat bottom like tank, the other one... I don't bother anyway since I have found out AB fly towards ground doesn't help.
Ok so I don't want to make you do this all over again and take even more time doing research but if there is different gravity (or air density) on different missions doesn't it stand to reason that there might be a mission where you don't have as much of a drop but can go even faster? This would mean finding the highest point on each and testing it. Also, I believe assault boosting is a little more efficient at gaining altitude.
i believe the fall in the depth mission got patched because of Japanese players finishing the mission in 20 seconds by dropping with a shield you also got me curious so i booted the game lol turns out, yea 2022 speed seems to be the max you can reach, and if i did get any higher number, it wasn't by much i did see a 2039 *AFTER* death though, but it seems we accelerate faster once dead
The booster itself makes no difference, but the "booster" beyond the tank can't be turned off. I just tried and rolled off the honest brute platform without activated booster, but only reached 2050 speed
Seriously, I love you guys. I have fun making these videos, hopefully entertain you and you teach me physics in exchange. I will try to avoid stupid mistakes like that in the future, but I hope it atleast made you laugh *carla voice*.
I will also try to do my best, to tell you more about german soap operas! Both sides should learn something valueable ❤
EDIT, 9 hours after upload: The Boost doesn't matter, as long as you don't have inputs while falling. I just tried it, don't worry. However....I found a slightly higher spot in the mission. The highest speed is 2074 and not 2072.
I repeat: The highest speed is 2074 and no 2072. Now we can finally rest imgur.com/a/BVgAPR7
Congrats, at the maximum speed of your fall (1079kph) you achieved a mach number of 0.87, 2/3rds the speed of White Glint's QB.
I NEED to play the older games.....asap
I once made I build using white glint with infinite overded boost with a speed of Mach 1
going at 3000kph in ForAnswer is actually easy
Cringe
@@BigYabaiyour mom cringe
>silly man accidentally discovers gravity is constant
>"why doesn’t the weight affect falling speed it’s not realistic"
He doesn’t know guys…..
Well to be fair air resistance should still be a factor
@@ramen3643not when everything keeps its boosters on. ACs probably have a pre set safe falling speed.
If the game is simulating real-world physics, AC weight shouldn't affect falling speed for the same reason that weight doesn't affect falling speed on Earth. Gravitational force provides a uniform acceleration regardless of mass, and I'm guessing they didn't want to try and model wind resistance beyond setting an upper limit on fall speed.
Also, try falling in the NG version of the Rusty fight after you beat Rusty down those long caves, I bet those should give some good data!
that's what I thought, however air resistance is still a factor, and the heavier something is, the less effective air resistance is at slowing it down.
also it's mass that doesn't effect falling speed, not weight
I legit had no idea hahaha, thank you so much for explaining!
Btw. I tried the cave and as far I know you can't fall straight down without moving and ruining your momentum
@@ramen3643 Good catch on the mass vs weight distinction.
Air resistance is a thing, but I'm guessing most games are coded on "spherical cow" physics. Density is important for considering air resistance, but so is surface area, and the heaviest arms do look a little bit like parachutes...
Actually mass would affect the falling speed of an AC. While he’s falling in the video, the tank legs are constantly providing upward thrust which is going be an equal amount of force across all ACs with the same booster configuration. Since the upward force provided by the boosters doesn’t change with mass, heavier ACs would fall faster than lighter ones.
Within the game’s logic I suspect the vertical thrusters while not pressing any inputs are just an animation and provide no force, so this is purely a hypothetical, but technically he is right to test of the heaviest possible AC could give a time advantage on this level in case it is a mechanically implemented phenomenon.
@@stirrcrazy2704 a feather and a hammer fall at the same speed in the absence of air
Falling speed irl isnt defined by weight. Everything falls at the same speed. What changes it is how the object is shaped and how aerodynamic it is. Gravity affects everything the same.
They taught us in elementary school, back before public schooling was completely ruined in the USA, that a bowling ball and an ink pen, when dropped from a skyscraper simultaneously, would each land at the same time. Unless there is air pressure, as with a piece of paper or feather, the falling will be the same. However, considering that Armored Cores feature boosters that dampen fall speed, I would have expected the heavier AC to counteract that dampening, unless all boosters are configured to offer the same terminal velocity, regardless of weight, in order to preserve the equipment from a harsh landing.
So what can we conclude from the video is that there is no air resistance in Rubicon 3. So every thing that is free falling will reach the ground at the same time
I’m mostly just angry that there’s an enemy AC in the game that can jump on your head and we don’t get the option to use whatever he has that lets him do it, imagine doing one of these jumps as Mad Stomp
man discovers air resistance in real time
there is one thing you need to know not moving while booster is off will make you reach terminal velocity faster THIS IS IMPORTANT for this mission especially in phase 2 a "dead drop" is faster so position yourself in phase 2 and just wait for the booster is off
all the legs have a "gravity mod" when booster is activated this will help them "float" down the space battleship yamato looking tank legs has the lowest gravity mod of the legs
max terminal velocity of an AC no matter the weight (I'm guessing From Soft just didnt want to do physics calculation) is 1086 weird if you ask me that means no matter the "shape of a falling object" drag is the same
which is weirder considering AC4 has some support for "drag" calculation with the Xobrero body taking advantage of that gimmick (it has a QB mod where its faster when second stagged)
thanks to this video I found out some more things when you "spin" you accelerate by a few points....WEIRD
oh, I had no idea. This is super interesting to know. Is there any indicator in the game about the gravity mod? I literally just thought weight (yeah, I know now) matters and that's it.
I didn't feel any increase in speed without the booster. in my pinned comment I mention that I reached 2074 without booster, but I also jumped from an higher point in the honest brute mission
@@VenxWD "gravity" is an invisible number in the game but is a visible modifier when viewing the regulation of the game
my mistake the gravity mod is not attached to the legs I just got confused because tank legs are in that space as well correction BOOSTERS have a gravity mod hence why tank legs are part of it
Don't you fall faster with boost off? Pretty sure it would have been faster if you just rolled off the edge.
Your boost is technically off as long as you don't press any buttons
@@ydobemos no, it isn't. You can tell by the UI saying "Boost On", and the fact that the thrusters are engaged. You fall much faster while moving if your boost is off, so the same logic could apply to not moving. I'm aware that you fall slower if you don't move. However, I'm convinced you fall even SLOWER if you don't move AND your boost is off.
@@SynysterProjects neat! will need to test this out
@@JordTheeNord lmk what you find!
No, hes right. Its off unless you move. Vaati checked this. Please fact check yourself.@SynysterProjects
My ex's biggest complaint with Armored Core 6 was how letting go of boost didn't just have the robot drop like a rock. She was like, "isn't this a giant robot?! why is it floating down like a feather?" I kind of agree. It is kind of lame how floaty they are. In oldgen, ACs just fell straight down.
agree that they feel really floaty in AC6, though according to V-Limit's video about size in AC6, Rubicon 3 is fully modeled in the end-game fights and, according to the models, clocks in at only 942km of diameter, which is just a bit over 7 percent of Earth's. Or about 2/5ths of the diameter of Pluto. So maybe gravity on Rubicon 3 is just really low?
good point, I was wondering if if it was a smaller /less dense planet
you do drop like a rock at a certain point this is well "explained" by what you do in depths 1 if booster is on (TAKE NOTE OF THAT TEXT), you will drop slower for about 40 seconds? before you reach terminal velocity AS LONG AS YOU ARE NOT MOVING in any of the major axis spinning is fine for some unknown reason (you will know this when you watch the horizontal spinning 621 beating the crap out of the Nephentes vod)
basically the space battleship yamato legs have a gravity mod of 100 points while all other legs have a gravity mod of 400 points I do not know what this means.... "generally speaking" do you drop 10 points? meters? per second? or what maybe 40 points? for other legs I modded this value and it does seem you drop faster even when you have boosters activated so... its accounting something
Reason you don't drop is because the booster stay on. You don't have control over when your boosters cut on and off other than just to turn them on which I think is kind of dumb
@@lucky13sj something that 5th gen actually had you can physically turn it off like some switch on the fly except when glide boosting IIRC
The moment he said "Let me tell you something about Berlin Tag und Nacht." killed me. Zum Glück kennt der Rest der Welt nicht diese Serie. Gutes Video, Zeit die Mission zu speedrunnen.
Huh, never heard a line for waiting around. I figured they werent a thing.
Ah what a fine scientific research that the mass doesn't affect falling speed for real xDDD.
I mean the game could've made it different, but it's almost too weird to be done.
I'm pretty sure the hover tank legs have a lower falling speed, at least when moving to the side, so I wonder how those accelerate over time. Would they end up still slower or would they reach the same speed? These are the questions no one needs answered
hum having Boost On actually slows your fall.
You should equip a shield to not get staggered in the fall.
My heavy quad falls super quick
“Terminal Velocity”。
Put it simple: get two ACs with same weight, but one with flat bottom like tank, the other one...
I don't bother anyway since I have found out AB fly towards ground doesn't help.
it should. would be a great way to touch down fast to fill your boost meter
Ok so I don't want to make you do this all over again and take even more time doing research but if there is different gravity (or air density) on different missions doesn't it stand to reason that there might be a mission where you don't have as much of a drop but can go even faster? This would mean finding the highest point on each and testing it. Also, I believe assault boosting is a little more efficient at gaining altitude.
That ac is looking cool
Go German boy go
you fall faster if you dont turn on boost
I now watch your vids cause they are cool and plus i need to find out more about german soap operas 😆
Terminal velocity
What if you fire cannons toward the sky?
You'll be pushed backward. Not downward.
i believe the fall in the depth mission got patched because of Japanese players finishing the mission in 20 seconds by dropping with a shield
you also got me curious so i booted the game lol
turns out, yea 2022 speed seems to be the max you can reach, and if i did get any higher number, it wasn't by much
i did see a 2039 *AFTER* death though, but it seems we accelerate faster once dead
Hey if you turn off your boosters you fall faster. Just thought you should know that as i saw you werent doing that throughout the video.
It fell slow because of- uhh- wind resistance?
The laser lance can actually boost you to mach speed.
i've try in depth 1 before, when i find out that's no difference, that was disappointing
what about honest brute with the lightest weight (so you can fly more up [unless you reach upper skybox with heaviestweight just fine])
You can reach the sky limit in the beginning just fine with the heavy weight. It's not that high, because you're going aaaaall the way down
If you fire a weapon straight up at the start of your fall will that increase you initial acceleration?
Ist it posible to turn off the fire boost thing whan you falling ..
..?
you can see in the second half of the video the boost isnt on, so it seems the speed is the same regardless of weight or if the boost is on or not
Boosters being on only affect the hover-tank's descent. For everyone else, it doesn't matter. To fall fast, don't move while falling.
The booster itself makes no difference, but the "booster" beyond the tank can't be turned off. I just tried and rolled off the honest brute platform without activated booster, but only reached 2050 speed
I'm subbing, if only because you scammed me into just watching you do this mission normally
To be fair, I scammed myself into this. Anyway, thanks a lot!
YOUR BOOSTERS ARE STILL ON
Boosters don't matter if you fall without input. It might look like it, but I just tested rolling off the plattform without anything and it's the same
Even before doing this mission, I've noticed this. This is bad game design. Older gen was more realistic
Terminal velocity