Have changed ALOT of these coolers at work. Removing the subframe is fairly easy if you have the car on a lift, i always do this to get more space. Also removing the DPF completely and you have more or less free access to the cooler unless its a four wheel drive. Changing the EGR on front wheel drive is alot easier than four wheel drive models due to space.
I can confirm on a passat you do not need to pull the subframe at all, even to do a full dpf delete. You do need to pull the passenger side driveshaft off the transmission, as well as remove the Transmission mount allowing you to tilt the motor a few degrees
Great video I done mine yesterday just with the car jacked up at both sides no bother at all. Did purchase a 1/4’ hand sized ratchet and extension set from machine mart that really helped👍
Great video with clear sharp images and description of process very helpful. Going to do one of these for the first time and not looking forward to it, but needs must :-)
Thank you, I’m very glad to help! The first time is an absolute pain, it took me over 7 hours but once you know what to look for it’s not too bad. Good luck with the job 👍
I've got a Leon that needs this, also has a aftermarket EGR in there already that has failed. Looks like it's gonna be a right pain in the ass, this will be the 3rd valve for this car in 60k miles!!
Before the EGR starts to play up, get the engine re-mapped for economy and delete the EGR at the same time. Then put a blanking plate in the EGR metal pipeline.
probably but its a pain for itself to fish the DPF out of there too :P Such a horrible design.. Front subframe has to come down a bit to release dpf...
Yes but no. Then dpf has to come upwards in stead of down OR u have to sucsessfully remove all sensors on DPF without destroying them…. Even then its horrible job. I have quit vws. I only drive bmw now😀
Tolly (I hope I have that right) I have a 2013 Jetta TDI, 155,700 miles and I have been getting a P0401 for approximately 10,000 miles - is it possible that this could be my issue? or am I looking at EGR valve next to the Throttle Body, EGR pipe etc. being plugged or restricted? I have read so many conflicting things. I just want to get some clear direction. To be noted: I had to have the DPF and Low Pressure EGR Filter (said to be cracked) replaced at 141,000 miles and now this has come up. Any help and direction will be appreciated.
Hi, l have have already experienced this job on my 2009 1.6 cayc Golf. As you correctly say very difficult removal and replacement due to lack of easy access. Your filming was excellent well done. How many miles had the old unit done before replacement was necessary? As mine needed changing as 36,000 only four years old, pathetic
Hi Colin, thank you, I appreciate that considering how hard it was to film, I just hope it’s good enough to help people should they need it. The one I did before was on a 100k 1.6 TDI. The one in this video was a 2.0 TDI with similar mileage but it had already been replaced with a decent aftermarket part (pierburg) and yet failed again, so it’s had at least 2 in 100k. Ridiculous, I bet VW techs hate it too because I can’t see an easier way to do it really. Took me about 7 hours all in including checking everything over and not rushing anything.
@@IAMASPANNER Hi Tolly, even more worrying is the fact that the so called software fix, for the diesel emissions scandal for VAG cars. l believe this razes the duty cycle of the EGR valve, so it has to work harder for longer. In order to try and counter the emissions produced during combustion. This in my opinion will lead to even more premature failure of this EGR cooler valve.
@@colin5064 There’s no escape from all this now with the amount of emissions regulation on cars. It’s why I hang onto my 308k mile Euro 3 V70 and every other car just comes and goes. Genuinely considering electric once I fix the M135i.
@@IAMASPANNER so, you had the second one from Pierburg? They are not good or what? I've ordered mine from Pierburg also. 🙄 The original one has 251000 km and he left me down. Maybe with the pierburg I will reach at least 100000km.
@@petruadrianpatrascu6239 this EGR had already been replaced with a Pierburg aftermarket part which also failed so this time we used a genuine VW one. The owner may have just been very unlucky.
Hi there, I’ve got a 2010 Audi a3 2.0 tdi S line. On cold start up I get a lot of smoke from exhaust and also smoke coming up from the back of the engine around about the area of the dpf. A guy who had a quick look for me said it was one of the flexi hoses down the back of the engine and after watching your video do you think it could possibly be one of the ones in the video as that’s the area that it’s coming up from. Also once the car has been idling for around 10-15 mins the smoke disappears and the car runs normal.
Does anyone know if this valve can be cleaned instead of replaced? I have a 12 month old valve that failed again, just outside warranty so not happy about having to buy another one.
Great help. My turbo has gone so going to remove cooler as well. Plus will help me remove turbo. Do you just cap off the egr and leave unpluged ? I take it i have to get it mapped to remove the engine light?
Can you remove and clean that egr valve without removing the cooler? Did you get it right from vw? My egr b looks unresponsive on the live data. Did you have to program the new egr with a scan tool? New the the vw tdi world trying to get an inspection sticker on my moms car
I’m not sure if there is room to get the bolts out to just remove the EGR but I’d probably recommend removing the whole lot anyway, if your EGR is blocked then so will the cooler. The new part in the video is genuine VW and the old one was a Pierburg quality aftermarket part that had already been replaced and still failed again. Coding isn’t required afterwards.
Hey mate, my friend has a 2009 Tiguan which is overheating and sucking coolant into the engine, also smells funny inside the cabin and blowing some light smoke. Funnily enough the engine sounds fine when I start it, and the oil appears clean....do you think this could be an EGR/EGR cooler problem? Cheers
Hi Tolly, good quality vid all things considered, even just picking up a phone when hands are filthy from working on a car is a nightmare. Can I ask what were the symptoms of a failed EGR Cooler?
@@IAMASPANNER Fantastic video, thanks! For me there’s no white smoke out of the tailpipe but there is a very slow coolant loss and a coolant smell for 2-3 minutes after cold starts. So is it possible for a leaking egr cooler not to produce white smoke out the tailpipe, but only coolant loss and smell? Thanks!
This took me around 6.5 hours including recording but it’s my second time doing the job. Realistically if it’s the first time and you run the risk of stubborn bolts it would be worth giving yourself some extra time.
Soaked in the process? I received a shower of oil and coolant, absolute prick of a job, I will never touch another one as long as I live. Great video though well done 👍
Video looks like a good guide to this job, top marks. I’ve heard how much a pain it is from an ex vw employee who says they used to do hundreds of them and could take 4-6hrs for them so seems there’s not many easier ways 🙈but unfortunately for me my sister bought one which like you has had it replaced (likely an aftermarket no idea which) she is complaining that when idling there is really bad smell of diesel in he cabin and we have the code P0403 - EGR control circuit. Do you think it can possibly be linked and is this the same fault codes you have gotten?
Hi Steven, couldn’t possibly diagnose without looking but potentially one of the EGR pipes might not be sealed which would release fumes into the engine bay which would make their way into the cabin. Look for carbon buildup on any of the connections. Hope you get sorted!
@@IAMASPANNER With a 2.0TDI CBBB engine the ASV (automatic shutoff valve - strictly not a throttle body) is at the front, and the EGR is also at the front just above it - phew, thought it was at the back with the EGR cooler and terribly difficult to access! With my Land Rover I installed an EGR bypass (easy job - all done from above with easy access), but I'm not sure if it's possible with my 2.0TDI (2009 Passat CC)? Do you know? I heard Pierburg are a good brand of EGR if I need to replace rather than clean. Not sure where to get one here in Australia?
@@intestinalworm1202 the EGR pipe does come to the front but the actual EGR is on the back of the engine. I think there are kits that allow you to blank the EGR from the top on this engine but I’m not sure, it’s not something I’ve ever done.
There's really nothing good about these engines, is there? My wife has a 2013 SEAT Altea XL with the 1.6TDI, just below 86,000 miles on it. I refused to have the emissions "fix" done because I heard all the horror stories. Despite that, it's started flashing the glow plug light and going into limp mode and giving me an EGR fault code P046C. I'm watching this video to see how difficult it is to get at the EGR, and yep, it's a pain! I might hand this one to the garage 😂 I've only recently replaced the oil filter/oil cooler housing as the oil filters kept leaking and then the gasket between the cooler and engine block started leaking coolant. That was a pig of a job to do because of access. Heck, even to change the oil filter, I need to remove the EGR pipe from the cylinder head to the inlet manifold, the filter won't come out with the pipe in place.
In the video I am replacing an EGR that has already been replaced with a Pierburg (good brand) part and now a genuine part from VW. I’m not sure there’s any guarantee that the new part won’t fail as the original genuine parts do too.
@@IAMASPANNER Wondering if there's an aftermarket part that wouldn't fail as original does... shitty part if you ask me, not to be able to just clean it. You need to reprogram it to the ECU right?
@@evronetwork no programming required in my experience. If the problem was just carbon residue then it could be cleaned but the gears shear inside the actuator and it’s such a big job to remove the whole lot I think it becomes cost effective to replace everything.
After Looking at this video I'll think i sell my mk6 tdi to much hard work. The jobs that needs done are difficult. I have the dsg gear box there knowing for failing big money to replace and if the egr fails you would need ramps to get that out i dont have so it would cost hundred to get fixed if egr failed sell sell sell
Have changed ALOT of these coolers at work. Removing the subframe is fairly easy if you have the car on a lift, i always do this to get more space. Also removing the DPF completely and you have more or less free access to the cooler unless its a four wheel drive.
Changing the EGR on front wheel drive is alot easier than four wheel drive models due to space.
I can confirm on a passat you do not need to pull the subframe at all, even to do a full dpf delete. You do need to pull the passenger side driveshaft off the transmission, as well as remove the Transmission mount allowing you to tilt the motor a few degrees
Great video I done mine yesterday just with the car jacked up at both sides no bother at all. Did purchase a 1/4’ hand sized ratchet and extension set from machine mart that really helped👍
That’s impressive, I don’t think I’d be able to stomach being on the floor for that long, well done!
can you post a vedio pls
I’m going to attempt this next week, any tips?
Very helpful, your video. Thanks a lot. For me, doing this for the 1st time, it was an 8hr job..
Glad it helped, thanks for the comment!
Great video with clear sharp images and description of process very helpful. Going to do one of these for the first time and not looking forward to it, but needs must :-)
Thank you, I’m very glad to help! The first time is an absolute pain, it took me over 7 hours but once you know what to look for it’s not too bad. Good luck with the job 👍
I've got a Leon that needs this, also has a aftermarket EGR in there already that has failed. Looks like it's gonna be a right pain in the ass, this will be the 3rd valve for this car in 60k miles!!
Why do they put the egr there? On the tdci it was on top of the engine. Took minutes
Before the EGR starts to play up, get the engine re-mapped for economy and delete the EGR at the same time. Then put a blanking plate in the EGR metal pipeline.
What a video man❤️thank you, will definitely do this on my car🙏🏻
Hi, nice vid.
In retrospect, would it have made the job easier to have removed the dpf completely ..... just for the easier access?
probably but its a pain for itself to fish the DPF out of there too :P Such a horrible design.. Front subframe has to come down a bit to release dpf...
As already said, yes it would be better to remove the DPF fully but that’s a job in itself.
@@Sebastian-xd1ru - Actually, the dpf can be removed without disturbing the subframe at all.
Yes but no. Then dpf has to come upwards in stead of down OR u have to sucsessfully remove all sensors on DPF without destroying them…. Even then its horrible job. I have quit vws. I only drive bmw now😀
Hi I have got a Skoda 2L VRS diesel Octavia on the 2017 do I have to drop the subframe to do the EGR valve and clean it 172000 mi
Pretty good job of capturing it
Thank you! It was a nightmare to do the job even without recording!
Tolly (I hope I have that right)
I have a 2013 Jetta TDI, 155,700 miles and I have been getting a P0401 for approximately 10,000 miles - is it possible that this could be my issue? or am I looking at EGR valve next to the Throttle Body, EGR pipe etc. being plugged or restricted?
I have read so many conflicting things. I just want to get some clear direction.
To be noted: I had to have the DPF and Low Pressure EGR Filter (said to be cracked) replaced at 141,000 miles and now this has come up.
Any help and direction will be appreciated.
You should get the medal of merit for this video, and the inventor of the egr valve should be put to the firing squad
Hi, l have have already experienced this job on my 2009 1.6 cayc Golf. As you correctly say very difficult removal and replacement due to lack of easy access. Your filming was excellent well done. How many miles had the old unit done before replacement was necessary?
As mine needed changing as 36,000 only four years old, pathetic
Hi Colin, thank you, I appreciate that considering how hard it was to film, I just hope it’s good enough to help people should they need it. The one I did before was on a 100k 1.6 TDI. The one in this video was a 2.0 TDI with similar mileage but it had already been replaced with a decent aftermarket part (pierburg) and yet failed again, so it’s had at least 2 in 100k. Ridiculous, I bet VW techs hate it too because I can’t see an easier way to do it really. Took me about 7 hours all in including checking everything over and not rushing anything.
@@IAMASPANNER Hi Tolly, even more worrying is the fact that the so called software fix, for the diesel emissions scandal for VAG cars.
l believe this razes the duty cycle of the EGR valve, so it has to work harder for longer. In order to try and counter the emissions produced during combustion. This in my opinion will lead to even more premature failure of this EGR cooler valve.
@@colin5064 There’s no escape from all this now with the amount of emissions regulation on cars. It’s why I hang onto my 308k mile Euro 3 V70 and every other car just comes and goes. Genuinely considering electric once I fix the M135i.
@@IAMASPANNER so, you had the second one from Pierburg? They are not good or what? I've ordered mine from Pierburg also. 🙄 The original one has 251000 km and he left me down. Maybe with the pierburg I will reach at least 100000km.
@@petruadrianpatrascu6239 this EGR had already been replaced with a Pierburg aftermarket part which also failed so this time we used a genuine VW one. The owner may have just been very unlucky.
Hi there, I’ve got a 2010 Audi a3 2.0 tdi S line. On cold start up I get a lot of smoke from exhaust and also smoke coming up from the back of the engine around about the area of the dpf. A guy who had a quick look for me said it was one of the flexi hoses down the back of the engine and after watching your video do you think it could possibly be one of the ones in the video as that’s the area that it’s coming up from. Also once the car has been idling for around 10-15 mins the smoke disappears and the car runs normal.
Does anyone know if this valve can be cleaned instead of replaced? I have a 12 month old valve that failed again, just outside warranty so not happy about having to buy another one.
They can be cleaned but usually it’s the plastic gears inside the actuator that have failed… so not related to carbon build up.
Great help. My turbo has gone so going to remove cooler as well. Plus will help me remove turbo. Do you just cap off the egr and leave unpluged ? I take it i have to get it mapped to remove the engine light?
If you wish to disable the EGR it would indeed need mapping out. Just disconnecting would probably cause limp mode.
Its very good video and excellent job done .how much will cost seat Alhumber se diesel 2016. Please give me feedback. Cheers matt
Does it need any programming after installing?
Yes
Will deleting egr solve the problem without any dirty job?
Did you end up deleting?
Can you remove and clean that egr valve without removing the cooler? Did you get it right from vw? My egr b looks unresponsive on the live data. Did you have to program the new egr with a scan tool? New the the vw tdi world trying to get an inspection sticker on my moms car
I’m not sure if there is room to get the bolts out to just remove the EGR but I’d probably recommend removing the whole lot anyway, if your EGR is blocked then so will the cooler. The new part in the video is genuine VW and the old one was a Pierburg quality aftermarket part that had already been replaced and still failed again. Coding isn’t required afterwards.
Hey mate, my friend has a 2009 Tiguan which is overheating and sucking coolant into the engine, also smells funny inside the cabin and blowing some light smoke. Funnily enough the engine sounds fine when I start it, and the oil appears clean....do you think this could be an EGR/EGR cooler problem?
Cheers
J'espère que cest uniquement ma vannes egr celles qui et dessus le moteur car si c'est pas sa j'ai plus qa commander celles que tu décrit 😮
What year was the audi a3 on ,did you do a egr adaption after fitting
Hi!
where did you get new EGR? It is original part right? I have a nissens Egr new but for some reasons fail and cannot find the original part.
This one was from VW, replacing a Pierburg one that had already been fitted.
Hi Tolly, good quality vid all things considered, even just picking up a phone when hands are filthy from working on a car is a nightmare. Can I ask what were the symptoms of a failed EGR Cooler?
Thank you, the coolant leaks into the exhaust and would cause white smoke.
@@IAMASPANNER Fantastic video, thanks! For me there’s no white smoke out of the tailpipe but there is a very slow coolant loss and a coolant smell for 2-3 minutes after cold starts. So is it possible for a leaking egr cooler not to produce white smoke out the tailpipe, but only coolant loss and smell? Thanks!
Seeing this, it makes me regret buying my caddy
There was me thinking that the Astra was a pain, although the egr was easy unlike the cooler
Good job
Did you hear any squealing sounds coming from the old egr cooler ? Was it necessary to change it?
There weren’t any noises from this car, the EGR just stopped working and put an error code on the dash.
Did the car got stuck into limp mode ? And does the ECU need to be mapped if I want to remove the EGR?
How many hours are necessary for this job?
This took me around 6.5 hours including recording but it’s my second time doing the job. Realistically if it’s the first time and you run the risk of stubborn bolts it would be worth giving yourself some extra time.
Soaked in the process? I received a shower of oil and coolant, absolute prick of a job, I will never touch another one as long as I live. Great video though well done 👍
Absolutely soaked, yes! Thank you 🙏
Video looks like a good guide to this job, top marks.
I’ve heard how much a pain it is from an ex vw employee who says they used to do hundreds of them and could take 4-6hrs for them so seems there’s not many easier ways 🙈but unfortunately for me my sister bought one which like you has had it replaced (likely an aftermarket no idea which) she is complaining that when idling there is really bad smell of diesel in he cabin and we have the code P0403 - EGR control circuit.
Do you think it can possibly be linked and is this the same fault codes you have gotten?
Hi Steven, couldn’t possibly diagnose without looking but potentially one of the EGR pipes might not be sealed which would release fumes into the engine bay which would make their way into the cabin. Look for carbon buildup on any of the connections. Hope you get sorted!
Do you require reprogramming of new egr please
Sooo the TDI has an EGR on the front by intake AND this one in rear of engine?
The part on the front is the throttle body. The EGR is definitely positioned at the back of the engine on this generation of TDI.
@@IAMASPANNER With a 2.0TDI CBBB engine the ASV (automatic shutoff valve - strictly not a throttle body) is at the front, and the EGR is also at the front just above it - phew, thought it was at the back with the EGR cooler and terribly difficult to access! With my Land Rover I installed an EGR bypass (easy job - all done from above with easy access), but I'm not sure if it's possible with my 2.0TDI (2009 Passat CC)? Do you know?
I heard Pierburg are a good brand of EGR if I need to replace rather than clean. Not sure where to get one here in Australia?
@@intestinalworm1202 the EGR pipe does come to the front but the actual EGR is on the back of the engine. I think there are kits that allow you to blank the EGR from the top on this engine but I’m not sure, it’s not something I’ve ever done.
6 hours! YIKES! I have one to do on an Octavia. Do you need a ramp or can it be done on the ground?
You can do on the ground but I don’t think it’ll be much fun. Hope you got sorted!
Hi Tolly ,congrats on the video and good work
Was wondering can you do get delete on same engine and if so whereabouts are you based ?
Hi Simona, thank you for that ☺️ I don’t have the equipment to do deletes unfortunately, I’m based in East Yorkshire.
There's really nothing good about these engines, is there? My wife has a 2013 SEAT Altea XL with the 1.6TDI, just below 86,000 miles on it. I refused to have the emissions "fix" done because I heard all the horror stories. Despite that, it's started flashing the glow plug light and going into limp mode and giving me an EGR fault code P046C. I'm watching this video to see how difficult it is to get at the EGR, and yep, it's a pain! I might hand this one to the garage 😂
I've only recently replaced the oil filter/oil cooler housing as the oil filters kept leaking and then the gasket between the cooler and engine block started leaking coolant. That was a pig of a job to do because of access. Heck, even to change the oil filter, I need to remove the EGR pipe from the cylinder head to the inlet manifold, the filter won't come out with the pipe in place.
bravo c'est pas facile comme même 👍
Egr dpf and dsg gear box if any of them go big money
Great vid...m8 wear surgeons nitrile gloves saves loadsa scrubbing😇
You’re right mate it’s just they always end up splitting!
thx for the info
Thanks M8
I’ve done plenty. Can do it in under 4 hours including dropping the subframe and dpf.
Dropping the subframe is the way to go then?
@@IAMASPANNER most definitely. Then remove os driveshaft for more room for dpf to be removed
Where you based?
@@86andyw where are you based?
I just drop engine and box and raise the car body on 2 post ramp. About 4 hours but you not working in tight areas and visibility is better
Are there any brands you'd recommend for replacement, or just stick with genuine EGR?
Job looks fairly easy just fiddly.
In the video I am replacing an EGR that has already been replaced with a Pierburg (good brand) part and now a genuine part from VW. I’m not sure there’s any guarantee that the new part won’t fail as the original genuine parts do too.
@@IAMASPANNER Wondering if there's an aftermarket part that wouldn't fail as original does... shitty part if you ask me, not to be able to just clean it. You need to reprogram it to the ECU right?
@@evronetwork no programming required in my experience. If the problem was just carbon residue then it could be cleaned but the gears shear inside the actuator and it’s such a big job to remove the whole lot I think it becomes cost effective to replace everything.
no need the pull the exoust i done one today
6 hours job??? I done 6 in the last 8 months and only takes me 2.5 hours
Where are you based?
After Looking at this video I'll think i sell my mk6 tdi to much hard work. The jobs that needs done are difficult. I have the dsg gear box there knowing for failing big money to replace and if the egr fails you would need ramps to get that out i dont have so it would cost hundred to get fixed if egr failed sell sell sell
I've tried to sell my skoda also, but nobody call it. 🙄 So now I have to change my egr.
Good work. But have to say what a daft place to put a replaceable part like an egr valve. The fools couldn't have put it in a worse place.
what a complete pita ,theres me thinking ill take it off and give it a clean lol
It’s a truly horrible job. I still haven’t got my full motivation for cars back after doing this job.
so easy todo a fwd one, the 4wd is sooooo much worse
I've got a fwd one and same as this!
so not easy to do.
it's only easy if your egr is at the front of the engine.
sooo much work, you havent to do....
Mhm take tips from someone that does not know what a torx is called
Is this doable with just jacks/axel stands?