Playing against characters like Aquaman, Starfire, Deadshot, Firestorm, Dr. Fate, Poison Ivy, etc. was absolutely hell. But man, when it was rushdown character vs. character, when it was Flash vs. Batman, when it was Black Canary vs. Catwoman, when it was Black Manta vs. Sub-Zero, that game was so freaking dope. And so exciting to watch competitively as well.
@@HoneyBeeCMNDR I think it would be cool if they brought back inj with a universal run mechanic like mkx or at least made it easier to jump over projectiles some of the full screen options in the recent games hit 2 high and catch your toes unless u blatantly jump significantly before they throw out the projectile
Would love to have another Mortal Kombat DC game, although I hope they use a different story. I think the story of Injustice can end, it's also be nice to have a new Mortal Kkmbat DC game where half the heroes aren't pricks. Like Superman, Wonder woman, Aquaman, Robin, etc.
@@YonJon-vo2nw you do understand theres a long stint of combative instruction before we are allowed to be deployed correct? And we dont only learn how to bob and weave, we learn how to grapple, we learn air and blood holds, and countless other teachings of combat. You should know what you are talking about long before you start speaking.
Injustice 2 was the first fighting game I actually tried to get better at. I remember learning all the fighting game basics from this title. My top 3 was Black Canary, Red Hood, and Robin. This was also the first title that had a competitive scene I cared about. Seeing you, Sonic, Semiij, and Rewind competing inspired me even more. If we ever get Injustice 3 (unlikely because I think WB wants to rid themself of NRS) less zoning with more rushdown and gear customization would be great. Also I want more comics lol
WB wanting to rid themselves of NRS doesn’t mean Injustice won’t happen, it just means they could make Injustice or anything else under another distributor (hopefully one that’s not as greedy as WB)
Bro me too!! I learned how to properly string combos together in mkx but it was in preparation of this game. Neutral and oki and all that other stuff came from inj 2
@@cianeck6993 oh in general I don't like fighting games, I got this one cause it was on sale, and it's became my favorite fighting game in general, it's sooo good! It feels weird that MK11 and 1 feels as a downgrade from this one
I still love inj2 to this day. I mean, it was my first fighting game I really made the effort to git gud at it so to speak and I still mostly look on it positively. I think a huge factor wasn't even the zoning per se or how much characters could slow down the match, it was that only now in MK1 has NRS found a way to not punish you for blocking. We played together as training partners and you know I played a character that had matchups he legit won never having to actually hit you due to attrition by chip. So not only could the game be slow, not only did you have to deal with one mistake giving the zoner the win condition, you were losing just for defending yourself. Really easy to feel discouraged with that going on. It's funny cause I now feel the opposite with MK1. I love flawless block negating chip, but now it feels like for the intended pure zoners like Quan and Shang to thrive they need to given exceptions to the rule. No chip negation or maybe half on flawless block depending on the move. Maybe just do half chip for regular fireballs and no chip negation on EX ones.
I love zoning but giving so many characters good fireballs and zoning tools even when they don't need it combined with huge stages and fireballs that don't interact with each other like every other fighting game leads to zoning becoming easily overwhelming in this game.
Man if these were up to an hour long that would be great. Pro insight is gold. Very articulate and well thought out with a touch of comedy 😂 good job 👍
I never understood NRS's philosophy of having not only insanely fast projectiles but giving them big knock back and letting the screen pull back so far that one character was in New York and the other one was in Tokyo.
My favourite things about Injustice games: - B3. It just looks so badass to kick/punch your enemy and they bounce off the wall to continue combos - Characters like Bane will throw an interactable object and characters like Catwoman will use it as a mobility tool.
A huge NRS problem since injustice 1 imo is character archetypes. The last proper grappler imo was lobo form injustice1 or bane. You can have strong zoning characters if your rush down/ setup/mix/ grappling characters are somewhat strong too.
@@Dhampire1976 Key word “ THE LAST” last I checked lobo came out after Grundy and his main combo tool and mixup tool was * checks notes. A command grab. Thx for coming to my Ted talk.
Also doomsday was able to beat zones and had some amazing combos and mixups and had a unblockable finisher to a degree. A lot of players would always jump to avoid the finisher but Doomsday was able to grab you on the ground and air doing his lol. I use to get people so mad when they got caught by his finisher 🤣
@Tweedy your starfire literally got me into injustice 2, im a huge fan and I cried when you came second at one tournament with your starfire, jumped for joy when you won a tournament I can't remember the one you won, I am always rooting for ya big homie. Your star fire gameplay is top notch. Your passion is incredible and the labbing you must have done is beyond my comprehension.
NRS has no idea how to make a zoner. They need to be weak up close and most of them always feel just as scary up close with a way to send you full screen all over again.
It had a PVE side of the game. I always played the mode with stats turned off because people were queueing with full defense builds and that shit was retarded to fight.
As someone who only watches fighting games and not play it, Inj 2 is one of the few fighting games that I could pick up overtime what each character was strong at and what each player would try to do in playing with/against the character. All the characters had unique moves and customization. However, NRS just had an obsession with zoning during this period that killed the game. So although non-zoners may have won tournaments, the zoning was not conducive for the online because Injustice series have bigger stage and no run button.
I actually like this just for the single player content. In terms of just single player content, this is definitely one of the better ones in the genre.
I was one of those causal who quit the game. Well I sometimes return to play Star-fire and do the multiversus. The reason I can play at my own pace and don’t have to deal with advanced players. I’m not made for competitive games.
They finally did with Quan Chi in Mk1. A zoner who actualy uses all his specials and normals to be effective instead of using the same 1 or 2 projectiles with a hint of the other specials and a dash of normals.
@@TuckerBeall the counter-play wasn't remotely strong enough, especially for the casuals. If they can watch Ryu fireball for decades, then the cratered viewership / player base showed that there was a missive overturning of zoning in Injustice 2. The level of chip damage is still insane for a game that doesn't have a true two round system. The chip would have to be severely reduced and no-cost mobility increased to balance out the amount of keepout in the game.
Yeag first year Injustice 2 was rough. That beinh said a lot of stupid stuff got fixed, still favors zoning but you can still see even low tiers pop off
It got patched, and yes, counterplay was easier. But by that time the game was already dying, so most people didn't even get to see the counterplay, they left.
Despite the many flaws of this game, I still love this game! MKX and Injustice 2 were the shit back in the competitive days 😂 I used to love watching SonicFox use Red Hood
really digging this type of content bro. i’ve tried to tell mk tom brady to do videos like this since he’s honestly THE mk competitive scene historian.. imagine hearing him talk about the 3D era competitive scene! it’s gotta happen. he was there for all of it
For what it's worth I feel like inj 2 is still faster paced than mk1 like ya in inj some zoners were really annoying and good but if u got in u had good mix or fun staggers and plus frames. In mk1 u are just playing a neutral focused game with neutral skips that just dominate every match up I mean in final Kombat khamileon glaive in neutral to block string into glaive into another block string into the next khamileon cycle was like all that happened in like half of the matches including grand finals.
Still better than mk1......injustice 2 offered a good number of characters that where used at high level and compete in tournaments...in mk1 we keep on watching johnny cage every grand final
I DO NOT miss playing against scrubs who “play” with zoning characters in that game. Whenever I ran into a spammer I just went to the character they used and took them to school😂
Yeah, i remember it was really rough for me, in injustice 2 i try to main canary or bane and both couldn't do anything to zoners. I got frustrated but overtime i realize what zoning was and just accept that it was a match up i lost right at character select. Just gotta accept its a skill issue.
Zoning in IJ2 was like that mid to high level of play where a pro can counter it, but it decimates you if you're an early to mid game player. Imo if characters were given more anti-zoning tools, it would've been fine. But when you're Bane or Cheetah and have only one predictable tool, you die. Other MKs just gave teleports to a lot of characters and that was the end of it.
Maybe there should be some kind of a limit to it like if you zone one whole round you can't do it the next one or idk something like that or just not have characters like Liu Kang & Robocop
Cant agree more with everything said here. Zoning has always been a major problem in a great game, thankfully gorilla grod exists so i can just decide not to deal with it.
I remember playing Injustice 1 a bunch with my Dad when it came out. He’d always get a little upset when I’d start zoning (I played Superman and Deathstroke, he played Aquaman). At the time I thought “erm… just block” but looking back, zoning was busted in those games, I can’t blame him.
I love these but I'd like to understand If there was ever any beef behind the scenes involving Sonicfox. For example Evo, he challenged you with your starfire but you won. Anything happen after?
@@kingol4801 mk1 takes the least Skill Out Off the Last few Games Released my Guy... Its the Easiest one they have created. Easy and busted strong Combos and super save offence and all because of the cameo system. Thats Something you have to agree on
I really hope they bring IJ3 soon. With the news that WB is gonna be licensing out its IPs to other game studios, hopefully that means we will get a new Injustice game soon. IJ2 was my first NRS title that I played and absolutely adored it from start to finish. I'm happy to see that content creators and pro players fondly look back on it as a well rounded game despite some of its flaws like the excessive zoning from some characters like Dr. Fate and Starfire.
back in 17 i was unemployed and had to choose between MvCI and Ij2 to buy because i only had to money for 1 of them, unfortunately i picked MvCI and not like i hate the game, but IJ2 turn out to be a game that i love so much and i completely lost the online days, i only was able to buy it in 2019 x-mas sale =( I really want a IJ3 tho!
I feel like, the problem isn't always the zoning but rather poor game balance in general, often leaving certain characters with no answers to certain situations. Thats what I'm finding in MK1. I'm brand new to the NRS scene, but already I've begun to notice taking this game seriously on a competitive level vastly comes down to both skill AND bad matchups. Maybe they tried to address that with the kameo system, but it's not enough. Considering how much I love fighting games it would be difficult for me to take these games seriously at a pro level, considering what I've seen and experienced online. I've noticed you can spend 100's of hours developing your skill for a specific character, then new DLC drops and the character you've honed has no answer for what they're doing. It's really annoying and this is likely why all the major tournaments this past year ended in mirror matches. Alas, I've never played Injustice - it looks kinda cool.... and kind of annoying. I think, NRS knows how to SELL fighting games really well, but making a competitive fighting game is a different story and thats what tournament numbers are reflecting.
Was just thinking about this. Zoning ruined the nostalgia & blood sweat & tears put into labbing. Laggy Atoms & starfires can be tricky 😩 gotta play against ur Star sometime
Ive been saying for years that if NRS made projectiles collide it would fix so much of this problem, thats the main difference between SF zoning and NRS zoning, why they ever made the decision to have them pass each other is beyond me, and decisions like that are why I play SF and Tekken lol
I started this game with the flash cause obviously my favorite. After getting spammed so much i had to switch to darkseid and even had a starfire incase someone got lame
If we are all honest we all enjoyed the zoning in ij3 It just made the game really different from other FGS I played captain cold which was a technical zoning character(which i had much fun)
This game was so fun. I was super casual and played supergirl to overcome zoning, but started to play as redhood and booooy, that character was so fun. The most fun character I ever played in fighting games. I want injustice 3 so bad!
It wasnt even the zoning that ruined it for me. It was enchantress. Idk if enchantress was broken. But a character doesnt have to be broken to be completely obnoxious.
I mean, it’s an NRS game made in the 2010’s. Of course zoning is basically king compared to most other games. A big issue comes from chip damage and relatively lower jumps in these games compared to footsie fighters and especially anime/Capcom Vs style fighters.
I think that having strong zoning led to some really hype moments where players overcame it, but overall, I agree it probably hurt the game. Even still Injustice 2 is my favorite game I've ever played, and I'd be so hyped for an Injustice 3 with or without zoning.
I think Injustice 2 was the best NRS game for me, I had SO much fun with Scarecrow because I tend to go for characters with both long range normals and grabs. MKX had a more fun playstyle, but that game also got on my nerves cause it was very unbalanced and 50/50 focused throughout most of its lifetime. Injustice 2 was the NRS game that came out in the best state imo. But yeah, I wish they'd tone down the zoning, I would have personally loved a reduced screen length (reduced max distance between characters).
yeah if there was one thing i hated about the Injustice games, it was the terrible zoning. i am guilty of this too tho as I only used Deathstroke to defeat my little brother lmaoo
I would personally give Deadshot a pass since lorewise he's the best marksman in DC and he doesn't have super powers so it would be weird if he played like Deathstroke for example. Also there was a problem of casuals who were character loyalists now I do admit zoning was a problem but if you're getting your ass handed to you by a zoner, learn or experiment with characters that punish zoners like Darkseid, Enchantress & Supergirl
The one thing NRS really needs to learn is to properly dose how much they “experiment” with new mechanics/art style/tone/general gameplay. Every game releases vastly different but they seem to refuse to keep the things people loved about their old games. If they go for injustice 3, i hope they decide to keep a lot of what made injustice 2 but cut down on the zoning aspect
There is a very good reason the best fighting games trade fireballs. Projectiles still passing each other just proves they're unable to admit when they're wrong, I mean, they did finally remove that block button in Injustice 1/2...
I mean the block button makes sense for MK because it was built for it. Injustice is not MK so it doesn't need one Though I am not actually sure if projectiles canceling would be better or worse since it just means characters that lack fast fireballs would literally just get overwhelmed
@@boredomkiller99 usually characters that lack fast fireballs are balanced enough about it. By having good or decent enough normals and ok damage. So projectiles cancelling with each other would have been a good thing.
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wdym, it felt like a perfectly fine third person shooter to me
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it would be more like a 2nd person shooter
😂😂😂 you're sick
Playing against characters like Aquaman, Starfire, Deadshot, Firestorm, Dr. Fate, Poison Ivy, etc. was absolutely hell. But man, when it was rushdown character vs. character, when it was Flash vs. Batman, when it was Black Canary vs. Catwoman, when it was Black Manta vs. Sub-Zero, that game was so freaking dope. And so exciting to watch competitively as well.
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That’s the first fighting game I started to watch. I loved sonicfoxes black canary
Y’all must’ve ain’t play against Red hood with the akimbo shit
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Injustice 2 a game from 2017 has better customization than MK1.
I personally disagree because I don't like gear. Less gear the better imo
Most of the armors were ugly af, the premium skins were peak tho
@@NoNonsenseSpider Why is less gear better if more=more variety lmao
@@Geanfranco1010 some were but most weren't that bad
@@supercalifragilisticex Because I just prefer having multiple kostumes with a p1 colour and a p2 colour. Like MK1, 2,3,4,5,6,7,8,9 and X
W video 🙌 Would love to have an Injustice 3
Lucky you that Flash is a guaranteed character. Hopefully I’ll get Martian, Raven, Starfire or Black Canary back 😂
@@OpenMiker-rp4eojust don't play gooner bait
@@HoneyBeeCMNDR I think it would be cool if they brought back inj with a universal run mechanic like mkx or at least made it easier to jump over projectiles some of the full screen options in the recent games hit 2 high and catch your toes unless u blatantly jump significantly before they throw out the projectile
Huh?
Would love to have another Mortal Kombat DC game, although I hope they use a different story. I think the story of Injustice can end, it's also be nice to have a new Mortal Kkmbat DC game where half the heroes aren't pricks. Like Superman, Wonder woman, Aquaman, Robin, etc.
Bruh if i was at a tournament and my opponent started spamming like that I’d change my style to irl and get banned for real
Facts wtf I be in the parking lot waiting
Fkin cringe. "yo id fatality them for real yo" Go back to getting smoked and replying like an edgy 14 year old.
@secoTheSonicFan well, military service is mandatory at 18 here so I’m pretty confident that i could put on a decent showing.
@@kidkold7242 Military aren't trained to fight. The average boxer would cook you 😥
@@YonJon-vo2nw you do understand theres a long stint of combative instruction before we are allowed to be deployed correct? And we dont only learn how to bob and weave, we learn how to grapple, we learn air and blood holds, and countless other teachings of combat. You should know what you are talking about long before you start speaking.
Why does the camera even allow characters to go that far.
Probably so projectile characters can spam 😂
Injustice 2 was the first fighting game I actually tried to get better at. I remember learning all the fighting game basics from this title. My top 3 was Black Canary, Red Hood, and Robin. This was also the first title that had a competitive scene I cared about. Seeing you, Sonic, Semiij, and Rewind competing inspired me even more. If we ever get Injustice 3 (unlikely because I think WB wants to rid themself of NRS) less zoning with more rushdown and gear customization would be great. Also I want more comics lol
WB wanting to rid themselves of NRS doesn’t mean Injustice won’t happen, it just means they could make Injustice or anything else under another distributor (hopefully one that’s not as greedy as WB)
Bro me too!! I learned how to properly string combos together in mkx but it was in preparation of this game. Neutral and oki and all that other stuff came from inj 2
Tbh if you dont do high level competitive this is one of the best Neather realm games
The customization slaps too
Agree. As a guy more on the casuaI side I love INJ2. Is also with a bunch of characters that I usually like / love.
@@cianeck6993 oh in general I don't like fighting games, I got this one cause it was on sale, and it's became my favorite fighting game in general, it's sooo good! It feels weird that MK11 and 1 feels as a downgrade from this one
I still love inj2 to this day. I mean, it was my first fighting game I really made the effort to git gud at it so to speak and I still mostly look on it positively.
I think a huge factor wasn't even the zoning per se or how much characters could slow down the match, it was that only now in MK1 has NRS found a way to not punish you for blocking. We played together as training partners and you know I played a character that had matchups he legit won never having to actually hit you due to attrition by chip. So not only could the game be slow, not only did you have to deal with one mistake giving the zoner the win condition, you were losing just for defending yourself. Really easy to feel discouraged with that going on.
It's funny cause I now feel the opposite with MK1. I love flawless block negating chip, but now it feels like for the intended pure zoners like Quan and Shang to thrive they need to given exceptions to the rule. No chip negation or maybe half on flawless block depending on the move. Maybe just do half chip for regular fireballs and no chip negation on EX ones.
I like it also especially how you level up or make the characters more powerful. It is way better than MK1.
I love zoning but giving so many characters good fireballs and zoning tools even when they don't need it combined with huge stages and fireballs that don't interact with each other like every other fighting game leads to zoning becoming easily overwhelming in this game.
Man if these were up to an hour long that would be great. Pro insight is gold. Very articulate and well thought out with a touch of comedy 😂 good job 👍
Literally was playing injustice today, played against an Atom and Starfire back to back and it’s now uninstalled.
atom was worse designed than any zoner
I never understood NRS's philosophy of having not only insanely fast projectiles but giving them big knock back and letting the screen pull back so far that one character was in New York and the other one was in Tokyo.
My favourite things about Injustice games:
- B3. It just looks so badass to kick/punch your enemy and they bounce off the wall to continue combos
- Characters like Bane will throw an interactable object and characters like Catwoman will use it as a mobility tool.
A huge NRS problem since injustice 1 imo is character archetypes. The last proper grappler imo was lobo form injustice1 or bane. You can have strong zoning characters if your rush down/ setup/mix/ grappling characters are somewhat strong too.
Lobo is NOT a grappler 💀💀💀
Blud really said Lobo over Grundy,the actual resident grappler.
@@Dhampire1976 SOMEONE SAID IT SO DONT HAVE TOO good. Grundy was my main
@@Dhampire1976 Key word “ THE LAST” last I checked lobo came out after Grundy and his main combo tool and mixup tool was * checks notes. A command grab. Thx for coming to my Ted talk.
We Grappler mains can't get anything good nowadays. Bane was the last and one the few only real grapplers nrs has ever made.
Also doomsday was able to beat zones and had some amazing combos and mixups and had a unblockable finisher to a degree. A lot of players would always jump to avoid the finisher but Doomsday was able to grab you on the ground and air doing his lol. I use to get people so mad when they got caught by his finisher 🤣
@Tweedy your starfire literally got me into injustice 2, im a huge fan and I cried when you came second at one tournament with your starfire, jumped for joy when you won a tournament I can't remember the one you won, I am always rooting for ya big homie. Your star fire gameplay is top notch. Your passion is incredible and the labbing you must have done is beyond my comprehension.
NRS has no idea how to make a zoner. They need to be weak up close and most of them always feel just as scary up close with a way to send you full screen all over again.
When you bring fists to a gun fight.
I think the leveling ruined it, like why stats in a fighting game?
It had a PVE side of the game. I always played the mode with stats turned off because people were queueing with full defense builds and that shit was retarded to fight.
I always played ranked or competitive player matches the gear system was not on in those modes I don’t think it was much of a problem
Literally not a problem get off casual if youre bitching about casual shit just play the real game
@@danielturianoBro it's not that serious, calm yer arse down, some people just prefer playing casual alright
@@screechingsergal5012 Yeah. It became more about Stats than it got boring because most people aren't good its the stats that help them win sadly.
As someone who only watches fighting games and not play it, Inj 2 is one of the few fighting games that I could pick up overtime what each character was strong at and what each player would try to do in playing with/against the character. All the characters had unique moves and customization. However, NRS just had an obsession with zoning during this period that killed the game. So although non-zoners may have won tournaments, the zoning was not conducive for the online because Injustice series have bigger stage and no run button.
These videos are great, Tweedy. You should make more of them👍
I actually like this just for the single player content. In terms of just single player content, this is definitely one of the better ones in the genre.
Can’t wait for Injustice 3 and hopefully they have Mr freeze again and darkseid
My main gripe with this game was the sheer amount of reused dialogue.
I was one of those causal who quit the game. Well I sometimes return to play Star-fire and do the multiversus. The reason I can play at my own pace and don’t have to deal with advanced players. I’m not made for competitive games.
NRS make a well-designed zoner challenge (IMPOSSIBLE)
They finally did with Quan Chi in Mk1. A zoner who actualy uses all his specials and normals to be effective instead of using the same 1 or 2 projectiles with a hint of the other specials and a dash of normals.
Injustice 2 was ruined when they didnt add Ra's al Ghul
true
All of the zoning had an insane level of counterplay at a low/mid/high level people just refused to remotely play to improve at this game
That said, the year 1 balance was genuinely psychotic
@@TuckerBeall the counter-play wasn't remotely strong enough, especially for the casuals. If they can watch Ryu fireball for decades, then the cratered viewership / player base showed that there was a missive overturning of zoning in Injustice 2. The level of chip damage is still insane for a game that doesn't have a true two round system. The chip would have to be severely reduced and no-cost mobility increased to balance out the amount of keepout in the game.
Yeag first year Injustice 2 was rough. That beinh said a lot of stupid stuff got fixed, still favors zoning but you can still see even low tiers pop off
It got patched, and yes, counterplay was easier. But by that time the game was already dying, so most people didn't even get to see the counterplay, they left.
Despite the many flaws of this game, I still love this game! MKX and Injustice 2 were the shit back in the competitive days 😂 I used to love watching SonicFox use Red Hood
really digging this type of content bro. i’ve tried to tell mk tom brady to do videos like this since he’s honestly THE mk competitive scene historian.. imagine hearing him talk about the 3D era competitive scene! it’s gotta happen. he was there for all of it
The game is a Zoner's paradise. It made me, as a cheetah main, absolute hate any and all zoning characters, even in other games, to this day.
Peacemaker is so oppressive, meanwhile:
I stopped playing fighting games for over 10 years and Injustice 2 got me back into them. I will always have found memories because of that.
As a Bane main I knew nothing but pain.
I didn’t even know people hated injustice 2 I played the skin off that game and injustice 1 and I would have much rather injustice 3 than mk1
super enjoyable watch you really hit the nail on everything
Great vid! If i dont see an Injustice 3 then ill be severely disappointed
Great content Tweedy, and interesting take considering your Starfire as you mentioned. Subscribed.
For what it's worth I feel like inj 2 is still faster paced than mk1 like ya in inj some zoners were really annoying and good but if u got in u had good mix or fun staggers and plus frames. In mk1 u are just playing a neutral focused game with neutral skips that just dominate every match up I mean in final Kombat khamileon glaive in neutral to block string into glaive into another block string into the next khamileon cycle was like all that happened in like half of the matches including grand finals.
These type of vids are so good bro
Still better than mk1......injustice 2 offered a good number of characters that where used at high level and compete in tournaments...in mk1 we keep on watching johnny cage every grand final
Still remember Sonicfox washing a tournament with Joker.
Joker is a flawed character but those set ups in the corner are bull ****
Someone said it was better projectiles in injustice 2 then the marines lmfaoooooooooooooooo
nah those last 2 frames. the darkseid laser 😭
I DO NOT miss playing against scrubs who “play” with zoning characters in that game. Whenever I ran into a spammer I just went to the character they used and took them to school😂
I play with the homies 1 day a week. We started doing GUILD shit again. We fight for hours and just don't zone each other out. Mad fun.
Shoutout the guild folks trying to play lol
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Ah yes injustice 2 my favorite shooter game
Yeah, i remember it was really rough for me, in injustice 2 i try to main canary or bane and both couldn't do anything to zoners. I got frustrated but overtime i realize what zoning was and just accept that it was a match up i lost right at character select. Just gotta accept its a skill issue.
Zoning in IJ2 was like that mid to high level of play where a pro can counter it, but it decimates you if you're an early to mid game player.
Imo if characters were given more anti-zoning tools, it would've been fine.
But when you're Bane or Cheetah and have only one predictable tool, you die.
Other MKs just gave teleports to a lot of characters and that was the end of it.
Maybe there should be some kind of a limit to it like if you zone one whole round you can't do it the next one or idk something like that or just not have characters like Liu Kang & Robocop
Keep it up!loved this show one.
This was awesome
Deadshot mirrors in ECT 2017 top 8 might be worth revisiting
Ran into a deadshot in ranked 3 games in a row and never hopped online again unless it was with friends.
Cant agree more with everything said here. Zoning has always been a major problem in a great game, thankfully gorilla grod exists so i can just decide not to deal with it.
If IJ2 had projectile clash it wouldn't have been so frustrating.
Tweedy so needy, believe me, he freely can’t beat Houdini without meaties
I started playing fighting games with Gods Among Us, so having an Injustice 3 at some point would make me incredibly happy
I remember playing Injustice 1 a bunch with my Dad when it came out. He’d always get a little upset when I’d start zoning (I played Superman and Deathstroke, he played Aquaman). At the time I thought “erm… just block” but looking back, zoning was busted in those games, I can’t blame him.
I love these but I'd like to understand If there was ever any beef behind the scenes involving Sonicfox. For example Evo, he challenged you with your starfire but you won. Anything happen after?
Genuinely think this game would've lasted to this day if Starfire, Deadshot and Fate weren't a thing
this shit is EXACTLY why I hate playing online.
Injustice 2 has better mechanics and contents than MK1
A lot more.
I actually don’t think it was ruined In my opinion the two injustice games were not as good as MKX but better than both MK11 and the new MK.
agree on being better than MK11, strongly disagree on being better than MK1
Not better than MK1.
@@leojs5673mk1 is Not good tbh
@@timragen6658 It is good for anybody with any semblance of skill
@@kingol4801 mk1 takes the least Skill Out Off the Last few Games Released my Guy... Its the Easiest one they have created. Easy and busted strong Combos and super save offence and all because of the cameo system. Thats Something you have to agree on
I really hope they bring IJ3 soon. With the news that WB is gonna be licensing out its IPs to other game studios, hopefully that means we will get a new Injustice game soon. IJ2 was my first NRS title that I played and absolutely adored it from start to finish. I'm happy to see that content creators and pro players fondly look back on it as a well rounded game despite some of its flaws like the excessive zoning from some characters like Dr. Fate and Starfire.
Inj 2 is still my fav nrs game by far. Minus the zoning, everything else was just how i wanted it.
Nice video. Nice rundown of the scene. I missed out on injustice. Picked up mk11. I like the video format, too. Later.
The worst part was the level scaling in multiplayer, people are literally invincible if you have shitty gear compared to them.
Anyone on pc wanna play injustice 2 we can get a discord community going
Yo tweedy ! Great content 🤝
Dr. Fate was someone i could never conquer.
That trailer still gives me the chills😂😅 i remember seeing that for the first time n i was so excited
back in 17 i was unemployed and had to choose between MvCI and Ij2 to buy because i only had to money for 1 of them, unfortunately i picked MvCI and not like i hate the game, but IJ2 turn out to be a game that i love so much and i completely lost the online days, i only was able to buy it in 2019 x-mas sale =( I really want a IJ3 tho!
I feel like, the problem isn't always the zoning but rather poor game balance in general, often leaving certain characters with no answers to certain situations. Thats what I'm finding in MK1. I'm brand new to the NRS scene, but already I've begun to notice taking this game seriously on a competitive level vastly comes down to both skill AND bad matchups.
Maybe they tried to address that with the kameo system, but it's not enough. Considering how much I love fighting games it would be difficult for me to take these games seriously at a pro level, considering what I've seen and experienced online. I've noticed you can spend 100's of hours developing your skill for a specific character, then new DLC drops and the character you've honed has no answer for what they're doing. It's really annoying and this is likely why all the major tournaments this past year ended in mirror matches.
Alas, I've never played Injustice - it looks kinda cool.... and kind of annoying. I think, NRS knows how to SELL fighting games really well, but making a competitive fighting game is a different story and thats what tournament numbers are reflecting.
I picked up supergirl in the game specifically to deal with zoners
Shoutout to Adventure Battle 2 🔥
Great video bro
Was just thinking about this. Zoning ruined the nostalgia & blood sweat & tears put into labbing. Laggy Atoms & starfires can be tricky 😩 gotta play against ur Star sometime
Ive been saying for years that if NRS made projectiles collide it would fix so much of this problem, thats the main difference between SF zoning and NRS zoning, why they ever made the decision to have them pass each other is beyond me, and decisions like that are why I play SF and Tekken lol
Even though the zoning was super crazy black manta and super girl were clean af
“This IS an injustice, get it? Cuz the game’s called inj-”
“Shut up.”💀
Inj 2 was ruined the moment you stopped playing
Shits crazy wyd tho ?
I started this game with the flash cause obviously my favorite. After getting spammed so much i had to switch to darkseid and even had a starfire incase someone got lame
Scarecrow and atrocitus were always in my pocket fir thst reason
If we are all honest we all enjoyed the zoning in ij3
It just made the game really different from other FGS
I played captain cold which was a technical zoning character(which i had much fun)
This game was so fun. I was super casual and played supergirl to overcome zoning, but started to play as redhood and booooy, that character was so fun. The most fun character I ever played in fighting games. I want injustice 3 so bad!
I love injustice 2, my favorite NRS game so far! Wish they still supported after mk11.
It wasnt even the zoning that ruined it for me. It was enchantress. Idk if enchantress was broken. But a character doesnt have to be broken to be completely obnoxious.
It’s was shooting game… lol😭
But I LOVED IT THOO💯
lol same
Starfire is one of my fave’ DC characters 😊 ‘Titans, GO!’
I mean, it’s an NRS game made in the 2010’s.
Of course zoning is basically king compared to most other games. A big issue comes from chip damage and relatively lower jumps in these games compared to footsie fighters and especially anime/Capcom Vs style fighters.
I think that having strong zoning led to some really hype moments where players overcame it, but overall, I agree it probably hurt the game. Even still Injustice 2 is my favorite game I've ever played, and I'd be so hyped for an Injustice 3 with or without zoning.
You can counter this with certain play styles and heroes easily. But I agree it is annoying when playing a spammer
I think Injustice 2 was the best NRS game for me, I had SO much fun with Scarecrow because I tend to go for characters with both long range normals and grabs. MKX had a more fun playstyle, but that game also got on my nerves cause it was very unbalanced and 50/50 focused throughout most of its lifetime. Injustice 2 was the NRS game that came out in the best state imo. But yeah, I wish they'd tone down the zoning, I would have personally loved a reduced screen length (reduced max distance between characters).
yeah if there was one thing i hated about the Injustice games, it was the terrible zoning. i am guilty of this too tho as I only used Deathstroke to defeat my little brother lmaoo
What's with Netherrealm and its complete inability to balance guns?
we need to see some more FG history
I would personally give Deadshot a pass since lorewise he's the best marksman in DC and he doesn't have super powers so it would be weird if he played like Deathstroke for example.
Also there was a problem of casuals who were character loyalists now I do admit zoning was a problem but if you're getting your ass handed to you by a zoner, learn or experiment with characters that punish zoners like Darkseid, Enchantress & Supergirl
This game is 7 years old????? GEEEZZZZZ, and still no injustice 3, I guess it's fine since the ending for injustice 2 was bittersweet.
The one thing NRS really needs to learn is to properly dose how much they “experiment” with new mechanics/art style/tone/general gameplay.
Every game releases vastly different but they seem to refuse to keep the things people loved about their old games.
If they go for injustice 3, i hope they decide to keep a lot of what made injustice 2 but cut down on the zoning aspect
The gear in IJ2 is seriously top notch. MK11 was disappointing & don’t even get me started about “gear” in MK1.
There is a very good reason the best fighting games trade fireballs. Projectiles still passing each other just proves they're unable to admit when they're wrong, I mean, they did finally remove that block button in Injustice 1/2...
I mean the block button makes sense for MK because it was built for it. Injustice is not MK so it doesn't need one
Though I am not actually sure if projectiles canceling would be better or worse since it just means characters that lack fast fireballs would literally just get overwhelmed
@@boredomkiller99 usually characters that lack fast fireballs are balanced enough about it. By having good or decent enough normals and ok damage. So projectiles cancelling with each other would have been a good thing.