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I think I realized why dragon bolt blessing in the base game reduces lightning negation. It wasn’t meant for us. Vyke’s dragonbolt whose blessing was one from Lansseax was meant for him not the tarnished that we play. The blessing we receive from Florrisax it was meant for us and so we became stronger. Same with her dragonbolt.
More of a lore reason, possibly; lightning was the weapon of the Dragons and then of the forces of Lyendel, why fortify yourself against your allies? I really like your take on it tho, gives it a personal narrative outside of "for the one who happened to beat bayel and honored those before"
The 2nd person who willingly turns into spirit ashes, Latena being the first. the ashes of Florissax should unlock a dragonlord ending damn it, such a missed opportunity
Imagine being the Tarnished in this quest. They have zero reason whatsoever to drug Florissax. Nothing gives them any indication that they would gain anything at all. They just have this knockout drug, and they're like "I wonder. . ." and then she passes out and the Tarnished just shrugs, all "neato!" and goes on their merry way. Who says there aren't chaos demons in the Lands Between?
I imagine the tarnished thought that the dragon priestess needed sleep and was gonna die and so put her to sleep and expected her to just be angry i suppose
Feels like something Sheogorath would do, honestly. Just some entirely unprompted madness, spur of the moment, for no reason whatsoever, against someone who just happened to be there.
@Umbra_Ursus It's funny you mention sheogorath, because i shamelessly created a fanfiction setting where warhammer 40k, the elder scrolls, and the soulsbourne series all happen in the same setting, just in different dimensions for our hero to go around. The outer gods and the greater will are various gods from warhammer and the elder scrolls. The god of the frienzied flame being Sheogorath and the greater will being Jygalag.
The only thing I can think of is sociopath tarnished remembered Thiollier telling them this drug can put elder dragons to sleep. So they thought, what if....
Florissax is essentially saying: You just got me fired, you owe me a Job! too bad there is no special interaction to when for example bringing Placidusax Cragblade to her or using Placidusax Ruin near her, I imagine seeing the disembodied head of her one and only Lord float above some Human ought to cause some distress
Or, since Timeline shenanigans lets Maliketh survive, it'd also be fun for her to chuckle and say "Ah... you believe yourself to have bested my lord. Well, I shall let you continue to think so."
Its funny how she emphasizes that we're "landbound" and can "soar" with the power of dragons, yet at the same time we've seen what happens to most who partake in enough communion: cursed to crawl around as wyrms. It's no doubt placidusax wanted to use humans to get rid of his nemesis, but I wonder if the part where humans corrupt and doom themselves in the process was an intended side effect
@@burningbronze7555there's a common theme of ecology in Elden Ring. Beings forced into existence by unnatural methods vs natural beings blessed by the crucible vs those bestowed with grace vs those who live in death. Everything that's considered unnatural is thrown at the bottom and that holds up in the DLC. The Nox were Shamanfolk who descended from the ancient Numen, arriving from another world most likely in small numbers. They were sacrificed when the Crucible was the highest order, but the rise of Marika and the Golden Order upended that. Albinaurics and Jars are hunted and/or tortured for sport, the Ancient Dragons hate the Drakes, and the Omen/Hornsent were ethnically cleansed.
Wyrmification is implied by item text to be a curse, likely from the Golden Order, meaning Marika, placed on the people partaking in it. Makes sense since the procedure was overseen by the Elden Lord of a previous age. Dragonification is supposed to be a lengthy and gradual process anyway, I doubt something halfway to a wyrm would still be able move around and hunt dragons very much, let alone avoid prosecution by the Golden Order.
@@dars1961 true, but the other lore bit we see about magma wyrms is only that their humanity slowly slips away until they "succumb to their fate" The part of it being a curse mentions heroes partaking, so I could see the golden order not being happy about their vaunted members of society partaking, but it also seems to be a natural result of doing something so unnatural And I think the dragons in charge of the communion know it too
@@burningbronze7555 basically, there is a difference between consuming and indulgence. Indulge in the hunger too much and you are cursed as a magma wyrm. Consume with restraint and discipline and you become an ancient dragon man
With her being the priestess of dragon communion, it actually proves a theory I had. In the base game region you find 2 communion altars and 2 ancient dragon lying on the ground, which shows they were priestesses as well as Florissax. Plus those 2 ancient dragon are not dead, because they didn't crumble and you can still see some colour in their eyes. So it seams there were many priestess in dragon communion.
The fact she decides to go with us on her own means she might have been weary of her vigil. Serving as she had night after night, maybe in following us she may finally rest. Plesidusax is dead and gone by our hand or slumbering itself at the heart of the storm. Either way, he likeky doesn’t care much for her anymore.
That's what I thought too. It's pointless. His god will never return. His wounds will never heal. His kingdom will never return. In a way you taught her there's things to live for other than the broken lord of dragons and it's okay to move on past him. That's why she comes to feel love for you. You gave her the hope for a world beyond a moment stuck in time, something more than Placidusax can ever realize.
@@MrDaimeon I’ll say this, though, it ain’t uncommon for religious people to give up something, be it meat for lent or fasting to draw closer to God. Hell, even Buddhist monks give up most worldly ties in their attempts to become holy. Florissax, as far as I’m aware, is giving her sleep to Placidusax it of her own free will and doing so to grant her Lord comfort after all the bullshit (potentially after losing his wife, getting in a fight with Bayle, and so on.) To us it may seem cruel and unjust, even stupid, but to florissax, it’s a small way she can comfort the dragonlord as he waits for his god in a realm beyond time.
Also the "first generations" of drake knights from the omonymus set could be ancient dragons since "From birth, drake knights speak not a word. They spend their lives pursuing the strength of dragons, for its sublime beauty and inspiration of awe". It looks like dragons asked for help to the "new society" of men, who derived from the same beasts which worshipped them long ago. Eventually, why Florissax has to give Placidusax the "sleep", maybe to maintain him in that frozen state, waiting for his god?
You know, i might be throwing this out there but... Maybe she follows us because we gave her something she sacrficed, which was her sleep? She might consider that an act of kindness on our behalf and finally be able to have a dream, something that was lost to her. She doesn't press us on the matter but...i believe theres a meaning behind her venomous tone. Shes grateful to us, to give her sleep back. For once she fell in love with the kindness we inexplicably showed her, because we understood. She was sleep deprived for so long and never got an answer from her lord. We save her unintentionally. But thats just my theory.
@@Yazzieeee Hey, just putting the pieces together. I'm sure Miyazaki didn't intent to lose the purpose of that reason why we give her a sleep pot to server her connection to her lord, given the context clues provided. Think of Florissax as a lover or girlfriend that is trying to get there boyfriend to acknowledge her existence. Assuming there at step one but never make it pass phase 2 of the relationship [for obvious reasons.] So I can logically Deduce not being able to talk to her lord and not getting any restful sleep would be eating away at her mentally. Is a form of torture that I have to put in quotes here. "Unintentionally" save her from that fate. Thus...she has gained a new perspective a freedom she never got. Again this is in my opinion thought.
@@iwomajewski108 Ah OK thank you for correcting me 👍🏼 so yes, flower stone. Stone scales by right of being an ancient dragon... I would have loved to have her summon having the ability to transform into a dragon when she reaches half health
I came across this temple on accident. Had zero idea where she wanted me to go. Trying to do what she asked I ended up killed a mariner, a death bird, and a self-cloning omen at the bottom of a jail/pit. Still haven't found Bayle 🤷😂
@@anspecificindividual9016 full time employment, father of two, husband, home owner (got lucky), leaves 20-30 minute sessions 2-3 times a week. Difficult to remeber where I've been and what I'm doing. So I mostly wander and terrorize the countryside.
Damn, you went on a full on journey, while you failed to follow the not so straightforward instructions she gave... sounds kinda fun to be honest. I can already imagine it: "damn, a mariner, I know how to deal with your summons vile skeleton! Oh by Marika, it's summoning revenants!" "Ah, another one of these odd jar prisons, I can clear out another one of these I suppose... Why is everyone yelling at me? Who's that horney fella and why is he attacking me with his depression?"
Sad that we couldn't summon her in Ancient Dragon form. But atleast she talks since she is an actual living Dragon that predates even the Golden Order and can use the stupid lightning attacks and claws many Ancient Dragons use in the game but in a cutesy bitesize form.
I am not sure if Bayle really is a drake. He seems to have had a 2nd pair of wings, which he recreates in his 2nd phase. This usually is a mark of the ancient dragons.
@@boneman-calciumenjoyer8290 I see parallels between bayle’s lineage&the golden lineage. Bayle’s children in the shadow lands control lightning while the lands between drakes only use fire because they’re centuries removed from his teachings like how godrick is centuries removed from Godfrey’s reign.
@@boneman-calciumenjoyer8290 Bayle is a drake whom gains strength from Placidusax's heads still attached to his back. That's how he's able to magically form a 2nd set of wings.
I love using her As a summon, thanks to the lore, I feels guilty that I put her to sleep and honored that she bestow her incantation (Which I use a lot) to me
You actually don’t need to kill him to quell the Frenzy. You can just enter his arena, activate it before the fight starts, then use a memory of grace to leave without killing him.
@@theenderdestruction2362 what do you mean? He’s a completely side boss. He’s so far out of the way, I’m surprised you found him before Mailketh. Completely optional.
I think that it's theoretically possible for the tarnished to become an actual ancient dragon for a few reasons. Becoming a magma wyrm is both a self-inflicted and god-inflicted curse, and of course, Elden Lord powers. 1. If wyrmification is inflicted upon the tarnished by either a. Placidusax, or b. Marika/Golden Order, then a tarnished actually trying to become Elden Lord has defeated Marika and has probably killed Placidusax. This leaves both gods that would inflict a curse upon someone trying to become an ancient dragon gone. This then, of course, leaves the in game reason of consuming too many hearts. 2. Wyrmification is no doubt caused by too many hearts, but it is described as losing someone's humanity. Humanity could also be another word for sanity and that as well (considering Fromsoft, they likely purposely changed it to make it more ambiguous). In any case, since there is an actual ancient dragon helping the tarnished, it's quite possible the tarnished might actually be able to avoid slipping away. Florissax also implies that the tarnished is able to become a true ancient dragon. Considering how long she's been alive, it's possible she's actually seen someone become an ancient dragons. 3. Lastly, the tarnished is probably Elden Lord by the time wyrmification/dragonification begins. With the power of being the Elden Lord (which as far as I can tell can potentially change the very laws of reality), it may be possible to actually allow true dragonification. Or as paraphrased from what someone on the fextralife wiki said, you might even just be able to turn yourself into an ancient dragon. This is even more likely if the tarnished wasn't confined to the constraints of a video game and was able to bring about an 'Age of Dragons' of some kind. If this 'Age of Dragons' needs the help from some sort of rune or from another as the other endings require (Ranni-Age of Stars, Rune of Order-Age of Order, ect.), then Florissax fills in this role of helper. Sadly, considering this is supposed to be the last work Fromsoft + BandaiNameCo do on Elden Ring, we'll probably never get to actually know. Perhaps the modding team can one day bring an Age of Dragons to life.
17:50 it kinda feels like becoming a magma wyrm is a failsafe so that a dragon knight can't get powerful enough to take out Placi 'cos one day they'll be hungry enough to try if there isn't some kind of safety mechanism
I feel like it's a bit presumptuous to say we did it on a whim. A lot of players will likely have killed placidusax by this point, and seeing someone offer their sleep to a corpse in exchange for.... Nothing, is just painful. In a way, i think many people felt that this was a way to atone for what she was going through, or just to ease her suffering by allowing her but one nights rest. Such a loyal servant, offering her own rest for the dragon lord to have, even beyond his death. May she find a better Lord in the Tarnished champion who slayed her master.
Florissax transferring her allegiance to the Tarnished makes sense if you consider drgaonkind society is that of predators. Those that are defeated likely offer their services to the one who defeated them to prevent being slain. The Tarnished might have "defeated" her through trickery instead of might but it's the defeat that matters in her mind. The Tarnished proved to be better than she was, and thus she transfers her loyalty and self-will to them.
Y'all some maidenless rabble, doing dragon communion for power. I eat their hearts because it's delicious with some Sweet Baby Ray's barbecue sauce. I mean, they put a grill out for you and everything.
I like to think Placidusax sent her to bring communion because, since most Ancient Dragons are on Farum Azula, only Bayle and his ilk would be consumed, and Magma Wyrms, flightless beings, cannot rise to the ancient home of the dragons, and thus will be left lowly beasts. A cruel fate, a trap created by the Dragon Lord. As to Florissax and her ability to connect to her lord, I do not think she was truly severed a connection, in fact I am not sure Placidusax noticed one way or another. Given the state he is in, I honestly feel he has kept an arms distance from all his children and kin, and the fact even one devoted servant remembers and reveres him is impressive. Her faith in him is, however, misplaced. I like to think we freed her, by offering her rest. Of all the spirit ashes, her tale is one that speaks to me most because we free her of a thankless servitude and in return, we can take her along with us, and she is able to thank us with a now human heart. By journeying with us, she discovers a sense of love, hence her using that incantation to bolster us in every battle. While some ashes are more sentient than others, i.e. the jellyfish of Lautenna, Florissax has a new purpose, has learned to love her new lord, and given her record of giving so much of herself to her prior lord, I can safely say that we, the Tarnished, have found ourselves perhaps the most devoted of allies in our quest. Tis a shame we do not have an ending to bring about an Age of the Wyrms. I would be delighted to sit upon a throne beside my priestess, staring out at the Lands Between. But, it is not to be...yet...
🌩🐉 I luv this storyline, Placi's missing heads are on Bale's back while Bale looks like he paid an arm and a leg to get away from the first Elden Lord, Placi... here we come along and pick up a follower of Placi'... I want to take her spirit ash to the storm beyond time and fight against Placi'... that would be crazy! Loved this one to def! Cheers 🍻
WHen you think about it, it was impossible for us to really know what would happen if we granted her sleep. Florissax probably knew we didn't know, and therefore didn't truly blame us, as well as the fact we killed Bayle.
I am happy that our tarnished can finally have our own ancient dragon buddy. I was really jealous of guys like Godwyn and Vyke, because by any metric Ive defeated more dragons than them in the lands between, including their king. No longer dragonless, lol!
I think Lansseax might still have looked different since she took a complete “human“ form not a draconic human form and also was able to swap back to her dragon form very different from Florissax who sacrificed her dragon form to bring dragon communion to the humans… Also: Lansseax was a Dragon-Cult-Priestess… not a Dragon-Communion-Priestess.
This was kind of messed up, but then I remember that the credentials to be Elden Lord is being the best at bonking stuff. Moral fiber doesnt seem to account for much in the Lands Between.
I wonder what creates the difference between those who partake in communion turning into either magma wyrms or ancient dragon men. Considering that lanseax was able to assume human form and then become a dragon once more. Considering florisax said it was possible for us to become a dragon I am convinced that it is possible to do communion successfully . Human -> ancient dragon man -> ancient dragon. We see the description of the rock heart that says the last thing he saw with his human eyes was a sunset and then became the ancient dragon man. Considering it said human eyes not the reptilian eyes like what happens if you have more than four draconic powers meaning maybe if you have too many hearts that’s what be the cause of the wyrm curse as the partaker ends up more like the drakes than the ancient dragons. The next stage of the transformation into dragon hood may be similar to the ones in dark souls 3 . However the curse may also be external as well as mentioned by another comment. Dragon communion was said to be a “transgression” and thus were cursed, how ever we now know that the ancient dragon funded this so who was it a transgression against? The only other warriors we see with communion powers are banished knights. Marika maybe. What are y’all thoughts on this?
When they day Igon reminds them of Bayle, could that imply Bayle was once a drake warrior? But that might jot make sense because communion was authorized as a result of Bayle's actions.
Unrelated to this topic but if you have any plans on a video regarding the coffin ships on the cerulean coast, the Monoliths at Mohgwynn palace just before the entrance to the Dark Area specifically the entrance closest to the merchant, depict them and the culture theyre tied to,one that seems to involve trees. Thought it interesting
The shadow keep also have boats as decorations too. Ofc the motiffs are different but I feel like this is the first time we've seen boats and ships in elden ring (aside from he ones on the map).
It makes sense that Communion came before the Ancient Dragon Cult. The Cult seeks to mimic the dragons in ways that have parallels with the Golden Order only, while Communion merges human and dragon in all ways
Florissax is so nice, and her questline is very good... But I wonder who the god of her Lord was. I mean the "inner" god, because the Outer God of Placidusax was clearly the Greater Will.
Wish the dragon priest transformation was that good fighting against players least for both transformations. Come on Fromsoft, yah have us two cool transformations and still we get our butts kicked by other stuff lol.
@square-table-gaming damn.. you're right. There goes my head lore. I'm glad that got straightened out cuz this game has too many mysteries in the lore 🤣
We're tackling each one individually. So far we've done Thiollier and Ansbach. I think we want to address the mother of fingers next and then we're probably going to take care of the rest of the followers.
Maybe Florrasax was Bayle's mother or mate. I believe Bayle was a mutant like Seeth The Scaleless from DS. This is her punishment for either birthing Bayle or his brood.
I have a theory for someone to become a dragon they probably have to keep their drecinic powers under control and if that is the case the magma worms are a result of those who lost control because bayles incations lore says it will one day its fire and fury will consume its parttaker one day and how florissax says may u become dragon whole has me thinking it may be possible for someone to become a dragon and if that is possible what type of dragon would we become would we become a drake type or a ancient dragon it's a very interesting concept.
Man im so confused looking at the comments. I really thought my favorite npc in the dlc disappeared/died after I killed bayle i didn't experience any of this quest yet i guess 😅
Hey Square! Let me know what you think of this theory of mine: The giant drake we find dead next to the altar was killed by Bayle who ate its heart. I believe this since Bayle summons giant wings in his phase 2 wich dont match the aspect of the crucible wings at all. Theyre bigger and more dragonic than bird like. Also Giant Drakes seem to have more Basal dragon incantations. Greyroll has a Roar so perhaps this giant drake had a Basal Dragon incantation wich granted it wings.
I don't believe Bayle would eat the heart of a fellow drake since they're essentially his children and I think he fought Placidusax to improve their station. His spectral wings are much more reminiscent of ancient dragon wings, which is why I believe they come from the head of Placidusax embedded in his back.
@@draw2death421 I think that's some kind of ritual combat because it's the only time we experience that in the base game or dlc and one of the drakes is using lightning which is a power associated with the ancient dragons.
I'm assuming the gigantic drake is the Charro referred to in "Charro's Hidden Grave"; hidden by his corpse, it would seem. A closer look at Charro's corpse tells us it was killed by a massive dragon communion harpoon lodged in the back of its head. We know the harpoons are used as great arrows, and the only things I can see that's big enough to use that harpoon are the Rykard/the God Devouring Serpent or Gransax. Pretty sure we can mark the snake off the list, but then that leaves us with the fairly enigmatic Gransax. It has been observed that it doesn't look like Gransax was killed in battle. ...Of course, it's entirely possible Florissax's dragon form is just as large as Gransax.
This whole conversation is so awkward and makes no sense to me after killing placcidusax. She’s talking about her lord and indoctrinating the person who slayed her lord, & we’re just like “sure”. Seems weird
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you practically get yourself an ancient dragon wife. As long as you ignore that you drugged her in order for her to fall asleep
Vyke silently giving us the thumbs up
Bill "Dragon Diddler" Cosby
@@crusty_well you get to be the dragon diddler in BG3 lol
@@jamesvarela233 honestly the player can fuck everything in BG3 if they have enough charisma
We ruffi her for Jesus Crhist.. 🤷🏻♂️😂
Her spell practically spelling out she falls in love with you won me over instantly!
I think I realized why dragon bolt blessing in the base game reduces lightning negation. It wasn’t meant for us. Vyke’s dragonbolt whose blessing was one from Lansseax was meant for him not the tarnished that we play. The blessing we receive from Florrisax it was meant for us and so we became stronger. Same with her dragonbolt.
More of a lore reason, possibly; lightning was the weapon of the Dragons and then of the forces of Lyendel, why fortify yourself against your allies? I really like your take on it tho, gives it a personal narrative outside of "for the one who happened to beat bayel and honored those before"
Vyke was a Tarnished though
@SabreArchon they meant "That" particular tarnished. Probably ancient dragon's blessing only works on those who got it originally? Idk
Now if only like the other Dragonbolts they let you stack it with golden vow. So stupid they changed it to overide golden vow.
The 2nd person who willingly turns into spirit ashes, Latena being the first. the ashes of Florissax should unlock a dragonlord ending damn it, such a missed opportunity
Damn that's my new head cannon for when I do gold mask ending.... I bring the dragon cult back.... Hahaha
Imagine being the Tarnished in this quest. They have zero reason whatsoever to drug Florissax. Nothing gives them any indication that they would gain anything at all. They just have this knockout drug, and they're like "I wonder. . ." and then she passes out and the Tarnished just shrugs, all "neato!" and goes on their merry way. Who says there aren't chaos demons in the Lands Between?
Well, it says in her blessing that she has never slept since her commitment to Plasidusax. Maybe we were hoping to help?
I imagine the tarnished thought that the dragon priestess needed sleep and was gonna die and so put her to sleep and expected her to just be angry i suppose
Feels like something Sheogorath would do, honestly. Just some entirely unprompted madness, spur of the moment, for no reason whatsoever, against someone who just happened to be there.
@Umbra_Ursus It's funny you mention sheogorath, because i shamelessly created a fanfiction setting where warhammer 40k, the elder scrolls, and the soulsbourne series all happen in the same setting, just in different dimensions for our hero to go around. The outer gods and the greater will are various gods from warhammer and the elder scrolls. The god of the frienzied flame being Sheogorath and the greater will being Jygalag.
The only thing I can think of is sociopath tarnished remembered Thiollier telling them this drug can put elder dragons to sleep. So they thought, what if....
Miyazaki is going to see the feet in the thumbnail and watch this himself
THAT'S how we get his attention! Feet bating!
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Always good to hear some tips from the pros😂😂😂
I don't know I think he has moved onto hands lately what with Metyr.
Florissax is essentially saying:
You just got me fired, you owe me a Job!
too bad there is no special interaction to when for example bringing Placidusax Cragblade to her or using Placidusax Ruin near her, I imagine seeing the disembodied head of her one and only Lord float above some Human ought to cause some distress
Or, since Timeline shenanigans lets Maliketh survive, it'd also be fun for her to chuckle and say "Ah... you believe yourself to have bested my lord. Well, I shall let you continue to think so."
"And that's how I met your mother "
Its funny how she emphasizes that we're "landbound" and can "soar" with the power of dragons, yet at the same time we've seen what happens to most who partake in enough communion: cursed to crawl around as wyrms.
It's no doubt placidusax wanted to use humans to get rid of his nemesis, but I wonder if the part where humans corrupt and doom themselves in the process was an intended side effect
Maybe it's controlled by something? As some turn to dargon men other's monsters
@@burningbronze7555there's a common theme of ecology in Elden Ring. Beings forced into existence by unnatural methods vs natural beings blessed by the crucible vs those bestowed with grace vs those who live in death. Everything that's considered unnatural is thrown at the bottom and that holds up in the DLC. The Nox were Shamanfolk who descended from the ancient Numen, arriving from another world most likely in small numbers. They were sacrificed when the Crucible was the highest order, but the rise of Marika and the Golden Order upended that. Albinaurics and Jars are hunted and/or tortured for sport, the Ancient Dragons hate the Drakes, and the Omen/Hornsent were ethnically cleansed.
Wyrmification is implied by item text to be a curse, likely from the Golden Order, meaning Marika, placed on the people partaking in it.
Makes sense since the procedure was overseen by the Elden Lord of a previous age.
Dragonification is supposed to be a lengthy and gradual process anyway, I doubt something halfway to a wyrm would still be able move around and hunt dragons very much, let alone avoid prosecution by the Golden Order.
@@dars1961 true, but the other lore bit we see about magma wyrms is only that their humanity slowly slips away until they "succumb to their fate"
The part of it being a curse mentions heroes partaking, so I could see the golden order not being happy about their vaunted members of society partaking, but it also seems to be a natural result of doing something so unnatural
And I think the dragons in charge of the communion know it too
@@burningbronze7555 basically, there is a difference between consuming and indulgence. Indulge in the hunger too much and you are cursed as a magma wyrm. Consume with restraint and discipline and you become an ancient dragon man
With her being the priestess of dragon communion, it actually proves a theory I had. In the base game region you find 2 communion altars and 2 ancient dragon lying on the ground, which shows they were priestesses as well as Florissax. Plus those 2 ancient dragon are not dead, because they didn't crumble and you can still see some colour in their eyes. So it seams there were many priestess in dragon communion.
I just assumed they don't have eyelids, pretty sure they're dead but I agree with you otherwise.
The fact she decides to go with us on her own means she might have been weary of her vigil. Serving as she had night after night, maybe in following us she may finally rest.
Plesidusax is dead and gone by our hand or slumbering itself at the heart of the storm. Either way, he likeky doesn’t care much for her anymore.
That's what I thought too. It's pointless. His god will never return. His wounds will never heal. His kingdom will never return. In a way you taught her there's things to live for other than the broken lord of dragons and it's okay to move on past him. That's why she comes to feel love for you.
You gave her the hope for a world beyond a moment stuck in time, something more than Placidusax can ever realize.
@@iboofer These comments are canon lore to me and no one can tell me otherwise. It makes too much damn sense
Tbf, the fact placidusax could sleep was probably BECAUSE of Florissax’s aid
@@acrazyweeb7225 the only problem is that it meant she could NEVER sleep. That's both agonizing and cruel for anyone, dragon or tarnished
@@MrDaimeon I’ll say this, though, it ain’t uncommon for religious people to give up something, be it meat for lent or fasting to draw closer to God. Hell, even Buddhist monks give up most worldly ties in their attempts to become holy. Florissax, as far as I’m aware, is giving her sleep to Placidusax it of her own free will and doing so to grant her Lord comfort after all the bullshit (potentially after losing his wife, getting in a fight with Bayle, and so on.)
To us it may seem cruel and unjust, even stupid, but to florissax, it’s a small way she can comfort the dragonlord as he waits for his god in a realm beyond time.
Also the "first generations" of drake knights from the omonymus set could be ancient dragons since "From birth, drake knights speak not a word. They spend their lives pursuing the strength of dragons, for its sublime beauty and inspiration of awe". It looks like dragons asked for help to the "new society" of men, who derived from the same beasts which worshipped them long ago.
Eventually, why Florissax has to give Placidusax the "sleep", maybe to maintain him in that frozen state, waiting for his god?
After learning about her and her lore now I feel super bad about killing Placidussax, but he gave me the best Dragon fight in a FromSoftware game.
You know, i might be throwing this out there but...
Maybe she follows us because we gave her something she sacrficed, which was her sleep? She might consider that an act of kindness on our behalf and finally be able to have a dream, something that was lost to her. She doesn't press us on the matter but...i believe theres a meaning behind her venomous tone. Shes grateful to us, to give her sleep back. For once she fell in love with the kindness we inexplicably showed her, because we understood. She was sleep deprived for so long and never got an answer from her lord. We save her unintentionally.
But thats just my theory.
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Great great theory. Makes sense where her “love” is coming from now
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Hey, just putting the pieces together. I'm sure Miyazaki didn't intent to lose the purpose of that reason why we give her a sleep pot to server her connection to her lord, given the context clues provided.
Think of Florissax as a lover or girlfriend that is trying to get there boyfriend to acknowledge her existence. Assuming there at step one but never make it pass phase 2 of the relationship [for obvious reasons.] So I can logically Deduce not being able to talk to her lord and not getting any restful sleep would be eating away at her mentally. Is a form of torture that I have to put in quotes here. "Unintentionally" save her from that fate. Thus...she has gained a new perspective a freedom she never got.
Again this is in my opinion thought.
Florissax: Flower Dragon... Flowers are an aspect of the Crucible after all...
Sufix -sax means stone
Isn't that confirmed with the crucible bloom incantation ?
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Ah OK thank you for correcting me 👍🏼 so yes, flower stone. Stone scales by right of being an ancient dragon... I would have loved to have her summon having the ability to transform into a dragon when she reaches half health
I wish we would have had a Flower transformation/helm. I'm watching at you St Trinas Purple Lily.
@@es-rh8oo that wouldnt work in some areas, she would be too big but still a cool thought
I came across this temple on accident. Had zero idea where she wanted me to go. Trying to do what she asked I ended up killed a mariner, a death bird, and a self-cloning omen at the bottom of a jail/pit.
Still haven't found Bayle 🤷😂
Zoro level sense of direction
@@anspecificindividual9016 full time employment, father of two, husband, home owner (got lucky), leaves 20-30 minute sessions 2-3 times a week. Difficult to remeber where I've been and what I'm doing. So I mostly wander and terrorize the countryside.
@@whoisjGo to the top of the big mountain.
@@TrueNamelessOne figured as much. Thanks. doesn't mean I won't get distracted 🤣
Damn, you went on a full on journey, while you failed to follow the not so straightforward instructions she gave... sounds kinda fun to be honest.
I can already imagine it:
"damn, a mariner, I know how to deal with your summons vile skeleton! Oh by Marika, it's summoning revenants!"
"Ah, another one of these odd jar prisons, I can clear out another one of these I suppose... Why is everyone yelling at me? Who's that horney fella and why is he attacking me with his depression?"
Sad that we couldn't summon her in Ancient Dragon form.
But atleast she talks since she is an actual living Dragon that predates even the Golden Order and can use the stupid lightning attacks and claws many Ancient Dragons use in the game but in a cutesy bitesize form.
You therotically can do it if you ng++
If only Lansseax was willing to be civil too
Eepy Dragon Wife ❤
I loved Placidusax already, but Miyazaki giving him a badass story on making the strongest drake run away makes him my favorite elden lord.
I am not sure if Bayle really is a drake. He seems to have had a 2nd pair of wings, which he recreates in his 2nd phase. This usually is a mark of the ancient dragons.
@@boneman-calciumenjoyer8290 He’s kinda both at the same time. Maybe he’s like a rebel son of Placidusax who got too confident in his own abilities.
@@Dbonesburneraccount that guess is as good as any other right now. I think I need to look more into this.
@@boneman-calciumenjoyer8290 I see parallels between bayle’s lineage&the golden lineage. Bayle’s children in the shadow lands control lightning while the lands between drakes only use fire because they’re centuries removed from his teachings like how godrick is centuries removed from Godfrey’s reign.
@@boneman-calciumenjoyer8290 Bayle is a drake whom gains strength from Placidusax's heads still attached to his back. That's how he's able to magically form a 2nd set of wings.
I love using her As a summon, thanks to the lore, I feels guilty that I put her to sleep and honored that she bestow her incantation (Which I use a lot) to me
One of the few interesting storylines that isn’t downright awful. Great story ❤
Florissax has become one of my favorite characters! 😊
Florissax deserves the sleep- her master had no need of it after I killed him to quell the Flame of Frenzy.
You actually don’t need to kill him to quell the Frenzy. You can just enter his arena, activate it before the fight starts, then use a memory of grace to leave without killing him.
@@sunbreakerqueenofbronze621except for when you need to kill him to get to malakith.... do you do that? Or am i wrong
@@theenderdestruction2362 what do you mean? He’s a completely side boss. He’s so far out of the way, I’m surprised you found him before Mailketh. Completely optional.
@@sunbreakerqueenofbronze621 i had no idea about that.... welp ok then
@@theenderdestruction2362bro had to fight one of the hardest bosses in the game right before Maliketh 😭😭
I think that it's theoretically possible for the tarnished to become an actual ancient dragon for a few reasons. Becoming a magma wyrm is both a self-inflicted and god-inflicted curse, and of course, Elden Lord powers.
1. If wyrmification is inflicted upon the tarnished by either a. Placidusax, or b. Marika/Golden Order, then a tarnished actually trying to become Elden Lord has defeated Marika and has probably killed Placidusax. This leaves both gods that would inflict a curse upon someone trying to become an ancient dragon gone. This then, of course, leaves the in game reason of consuming too many hearts.
2. Wyrmification is no doubt caused by too many hearts, but it is described as losing someone's humanity. Humanity could also be another word for sanity and that as well (considering Fromsoft, they likely purposely changed it to make it more ambiguous). In any case, since there is an actual ancient dragon helping the tarnished, it's quite possible the tarnished might actually be able to avoid slipping away. Florissax also implies that the tarnished is able to become a true ancient dragon. Considering how long she's been alive, it's possible she's actually seen someone become an ancient dragons.
3. Lastly, the tarnished is probably Elden Lord by the time wyrmification/dragonification begins. With the power of being the Elden Lord (which as far as I can tell can potentially change the very laws of reality), it may be possible to actually allow true dragonification. Or as paraphrased from what someone on the fextralife wiki said, you might even just be able to turn yourself into an ancient dragon. This is even more likely if the tarnished wasn't confined to the constraints of a video game and was able to bring about an 'Age of Dragons' of some kind. If this 'Age of Dragons' needs the help from some sort of rune or from another as the other endings require (Ranni-Age of Stars, Rune of Order-Age of Order, ect.), then Florissax fills in this role of helper.
Sadly, considering this is supposed to be the last work Fromsoft + BandaiNameCo do on Elden Ring, we'll probably never get to actually know. Perhaps the modding team can one day bring an Age of Dragons to life.
17:50 it kinda feels like becoming a magma wyrm is a failsafe so that a dragon knight can't get powerful enough to take out Placi 'cos one day they'll be hungry enough to try if there isn't some kind of safety mechanism
Sadly, for everyone else, the tarnished of no renown exist
Sleepy dragon thing...
Let's go! Dragon Wife!
In my current livestream playthrough I’m taking Florissax into battle against Placidusax as her first official task as my underling. 😎
Diabolical
I feel like it's a bit presumptuous to say we did it on a whim. A lot of players will likely have killed placidusax by this point, and seeing someone offer their sleep to a corpse in exchange for.... Nothing, is just painful. In a way, i think many people felt that this was a way to atone for what she was going through, or just to ease her suffering by allowing her but one nights rest.
Such a loyal servant, offering her own rest for the dragon lord to have, even beyond his death. May she find a better Lord in the Tarnished champion who slayed her master.
Why is she so pretty? She’s the most beautiful creature in the Lands Between.
"well since you cost me my job, i might as well work for you" -Florissax the sleepy
Honestly this place has my favorite ambiance in the whole game.
"you striped of my lord on a whim
Florissax transferring her allegiance to the Tarnished makes sense if you consider drgaonkind society is that of predators. Those that are defeated likely offer their services to the one who defeated them to prevent being slain. The Tarnished might have "defeated" her through trickery instead of might but it's the defeat that matters in her mind. The Tarnished proved to be better than she was, and thus she transfers her loyalty and self-will to them.
We're eating good with this DLC for Eldin Lore
You keep comin' I'll keep cookin'
Y'all some maidenless rabble, doing dragon communion for power.
I eat their hearts because it's delicious with some Sweet Baby Ray's barbecue sauce. I mean, they put a grill out for you and everything.
They deadass do put a grill out for you, might as well use it 😂
Florisaxx? Total babe. No more mimic. It's only florisaxx now.
I like to think Placidusax sent her to bring communion because, since most Ancient Dragons are on Farum Azula, only Bayle and his ilk would be consumed, and Magma Wyrms, flightless beings, cannot rise to the ancient home of the dragons, and thus will be left lowly beasts. A cruel fate, a trap created by the Dragon Lord.
As to Florissax and her ability to connect to her lord, I do not think she was truly severed a connection, in fact I am not sure Placidusax noticed one way or another. Given the state he is in, I honestly feel he has kept an arms distance from all his children and kin, and the fact even one devoted servant remembers and reveres him is impressive. Her faith in him is, however, misplaced. I like to think we freed her, by offering her rest. Of all the spirit ashes, her tale is one that speaks to me most because we free her of a thankless servitude and in return, we can take her along with us, and she is able to thank us with a now human heart. By journeying with us, she discovers a sense of love, hence her using that incantation to bolster us in every battle. While some ashes are more sentient than others, i.e. the jellyfish of Lautenna, Florissax has a new purpose, has learned to love her new lord, and given her record of giving so much of herself to her prior lord, I can safely say that we, the Tarnished, have found ourselves perhaps the most devoted of allies in our quest.
Tis a shame we do not have an ending to bring about an Age of the Wyrms. I would be delighted to sit upon a throne beside my priestess, staring out at the Lands Between. But, it is not to be...yet...
🌩🐉 I luv this storyline, Placi's missing heads are on Bale's back while Bale looks like he paid an arm and a leg to get away from the first Elden Lord, Placi... here we come along and pick up a follower of Placi'... I want to take her spirit ash to the storm beyond time and fight against Placi'... that would be crazy! Loved this one to def! Cheers 🍻
Glad you decided to cover Florisaxx
WHen you think about it, it was impossible for us to really know what would happen if we granted her sleep. Florissax probably knew we didn't know, and therefore didn't truly blame us, as well as the fact we killed Bayle.
I look forward to ELDEN LORE every time! Thank you for these!
Thank YOU for watching!
I am happy that our tarnished can finally have our own ancient dragon buddy. I was really jealous of guys like Godwyn and Vyke, because by any metric Ive defeated more dragons than them in the lands between, including their king. No longer dragonless, lol!
I was rewatching Sellen's video, as she is my favorite character, the moment I've got the notification about this new video. Such a nice surprise! 😅
Happy to provide!
No longer Maidenless !
Makes me wonder if metamorphosis is just another Tuesday in lands between. Btw Florissaxx reminds me of old Stockholm Syndrome fantasy novelty 😂
i cant believe it you might be right
But in this case, the tarnished of no renown is probably feeling uncomfortable
XD
Bruh
I didn't know you could take Placidusaxs wife as your own xDDD
I love that thumbnail art 😂 poor florisax I felt kinda bad doing that to her
so if we got the path of getting her as a summon....we get a dragon waifu
At least now we know how Lanseax looked while running the Dragon Cult
I think Lansseax might still have looked different since she took a complete “human“ form not a draconic human form and also was able to swap back to her dragon form very different from Florissax who sacrificed her dragon form to bring dragon communion to the humans…
Also: Lansseax was a Dragon-Cult-Priestess… not a Dragon-Communion-Priestess.
I wish i can make her dream come true an age of dragons just for her 🥰
Dude that would’ve been so freaking cool. Imagine the elden ring turning into it’s previous version we see in Farum Azula?
Thats crazy i didnt know that there was a secret dragon incantation!!! I need to really look into that questline!!
The most loyal woman of all time, hands down. Too bad she isn't even human.
That just makes it better though, am I right?
Don't worry you won't be a human for long since eating a dragon heart will make you a dragon
WIFE!!!!!! LET'S GOOOO!!!!!!
It've been nice if Lansseax was willing to be civil like Florissax here.
She took the tsundere approach 😂
This was kind of messed up, but then I remember that the credentials to be Elden Lord is being the best at bonking stuff. Moral fiber doesnt seem to account for much in the Lands Between.
I wonder what creates the difference between those who partake in communion turning into either magma wyrms or ancient dragon men. Considering that lanseax was able to assume human form and then become a dragon once more. Considering florisax said it was possible for us to become a dragon I am convinced that it is possible to do communion successfully . Human -> ancient dragon man -> ancient dragon. We see the description of the rock heart that says the last thing he saw with his human eyes was a sunset and then became the ancient dragon man. Considering it said human eyes not the reptilian eyes like what happens if you have more than four draconic powers meaning maybe if you have too many hearts that’s what be the cause of the wyrm curse as the partaker ends up more like the drakes than the ancient dragons. The next stage of the transformation into dragon hood may be similar to the ones in dark souls 3 . However the curse may also be external as well as mentioned by another comment. Dragon communion was said to be a “transgression” and thus were cursed, how ever we now know that the ancient dragon funded this so who was it a transgression against? The only other warriors we see with communion powers are banished knights. Marika maybe. What are y’all thoughts on this?
When they day Igon reminds them of Bayle, could that imply Bayle was once a drake warrior? But that might jot make sense because communion was authorized as a result of Bayle's actions.
Your videos helps me to sleep. Amazing lore again!
Florissax a certified baddie
I hate those quest where you have to choose between an item or the other
It also happen with the mother methyr questiline
Unrelated to this topic but if you have any plans on a video regarding the coffin ships on the cerulean coast,
the Monoliths at Mohgwynn palace just before the entrance to the Dark Area specifically the entrance closest to the merchant, depict them and the culture theyre tied to,one that seems to involve trees.
Thought it interesting
The shadow keep also have boats as decorations too. Ofc the motiffs are different but I feel like this is the first time we've seen boats and ships in elden ring (aside from he ones on the map).
@Suesserto there are boats on some of the stone pillars you have to light in Siofra river but that's the only other boats in the game
@@whirlwind872 If I recall correctly. I believe they may be depicting these same images. But I'm not 100%
A certain green-haired dragon lady in another game could learn a lot from Florissax regarding failure and how to deal with it.
You sure you're not talking about an anime about a dragon maid? 😉
@@soldiergigas14 No, that one hasn't founded an oppressive religion and perpetually wallowed in mommy-issues as far as we know.
@@soldiergigas14 The one (kinda') green-haired dragon lady there seems to be rather well adjusted.
Which green haired dragon lady?
@@dars1961 Rhea/Seiros from Fire Emblem Three Houses.
It makes sense that Communion came before the Ancient Dragon Cult. The Cult seeks to mimic the dragons in ways that have parallels with the Golden Order only, while Communion merges human and dragon in all ways
Florissax is so nice, and her questline is very good... But I wonder who the god of her Lord was. I mean the "inner" god, because the Outer God of Placidusax was clearly the Greater Will.
Depending on where the other quests are, it's possible to get the black concoction after Miquella breaks the rune.
Oh hi Florissax
Right when I said I wanted to watch a long video
Really embracing Miyazaki with that thumbnail lol
Lover, O lover
I think the ancient Dragons have been Arslings.... 🤣
Maidenless not me
14:00 so we can become dragon lord now i need to see that ending , maybe in dlc 2 or Elden ring 2 or sum
Don’t think there will be a second dlc m8.
Wish the dragon priest transformation was that good fighting against players least for both transformations. Come on Fromsoft, yah have us two cool transformations and still we get our butts kicked by other stuff lol.
Dragon gf acquired chat
Floristsax 💐
Quest in a nutshell:
A mimir
I feel like that huge dragon in the DLC is Florrisax with her heart ripped out to take humanoid form
That dragon is a drake though, not an ancient dragon ;)
@square-table-gaming damn.. you're right. There goes my head lore. I'm glad that got straightened out cuz this game has too many mysteries in the lore 🤣
imagine not sleeping so a lazy dragonlord can snoose away outside of time
"This post was made by Bayle the dread gang"
Florrisax sleeping in thumbnail (she couldn't handle the lean):
shit guess i have to go and face bayle all over again to get her spirit ash
Florissax is how low deez hang when I go commando
Can’t wait for your lore video on miqullas followers
We're tackling each one individually. So far we've done Thiollier and Ansbach. I think we want to address the mother of fingers next and then we're probably going to take care of the rest of the followers.
Florissax, my new favorite dragon waifu. And all I had to do was put her to sleep.
Maybe Florrasax was Bayle's mother or mate. I believe Bayle was a mutant like Seeth The Scaleless from DS. This is her punishment for either birthing Bayle or his brood.
I have a theory for someone to become a dragon they probably have to keep their drecinic powers under control and if that is the case the magma worms are a result of those who lost control because bayles incations lore says it will one day its fire and fury will consume its parttaker one day and how florissax says may u become dragon whole has me thinking it may be possible for someone to become a dragon and if that is possible what type of dragon would we become would we become a drake type or a ancient dragon it's a very interesting concept.
Wow. I just lost my first comment virginity! What a special moment
Sincerely happy for you
can someone please tell me if she is wearing a helmet or if that straight up is her head lol , i cannot find any info on that anywhere
That is her head
Sorry for the noob question, but whats the name of that gravity ash of war you use and how to get it? Kind regards 😊
No worries its the ash that comes with Gaius' rememberance weapon.
@@square-table-gaming thank you very much!
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Btw, absolutely love your content as well! Just subscribed and left a like! Keep up the good work, much love from Portugal 😊
@@voidabyss3432 thank you! The fact that literally anyone watches my content is mind blowing
Man im so confused looking at the comments. I really thought my favorite npc in the dlc disappeared/died after I killed bayle i didn't experience any of this quest yet i guess 😅
6:27 halo reference
Idk if that's intentional haha
Hey Square! Let me know what you think of this theory of mine:
The giant drake we find dead next to the altar was killed by Bayle who ate its heart. I believe this since Bayle summons giant wings in his phase 2 wich dont match the aspect of the crucible wings at all. Theyre bigger and more dragonic than bird like. Also Giant Drakes seem to have more Basal dragon incantations. Greyroll has a Roar so perhaps this giant drake had a Basal Dragon incantation wich granted it wings.
I don't believe Bayle would eat the heart of a fellow drake since they're essentially his children and I think he fought Placidusax to improve their station. His spectral wings are much more reminiscent of ancient dragon wings, which is why I believe they come from the head of Placidusax embedded in his back.
@@square-table-gaming drakes do fight eachother still. As we witness in the crag.
@@draw2death421 I think that's some kind of ritual combat because it's the only time we experience that in the base game or dlc and one of the drakes is using lightning which is a power associated with the ancient dragons.
I'm assuming the gigantic drake is the Charro referred to in "Charro's Hidden Grave"; hidden by his corpse, it would seem.
A closer look at Charro's corpse tells us it was killed by a massive dragon communion harpoon lodged in the back of its head. We know the harpoons are used as great arrows, and the only things I can see that's big enough to use that harpoon are the Rykard/the God Devouring Serpent or Gransax. Pretty sure we can mark the snake off the list, but then that leaves us with the fairly enigmatic Gransax. It has been observed that it doesn't look like Gransax was killed in battle.
...Of course, it's entirely possible Florissax's dragon form is just as large as Gransax.
@@vopop30 some theorize the Giants did it. Not fire giants but the Giants whos skulls we see across the map.
Well i get a dragonn maiden so its a happy ending to me.
Fortissax and Vyke def smashed
Maybe that's how we get a Tarnished Dragon
This whole conversation is so awkward and makes no sense to me after killing placcidusax. She’s talking about her lord and indoctrinating the person who slayed her lord, & we’re just like “sure”. Seems weird
Rot priestessand her appearence in the trailer
Well I hope Vyke’s dragon girl looked like the fan art and not like that haha.
Lorewise she probably looked like Florissax
@@square-table-gaming well Vyke is sure a team player if anything. Haha