Ymir was a broken man. I think he had a happy life, a son. But his son passed. His mind cracked, and through magic, summoned a fingercreeper, a small one, sickly. He truly believed it was little Yuri reborn, but even this died. And so he set on taking Metyr’s power, all in the vain hope to birth his son once more
Ymir is my new favorite FormSoftware NPC. Educated and cultured, mentally unstable but still skilled and mostly reasonable, has deep lore connections that I think are underrepresented in lorehunts, and is passionate about his cause no matter how we may judge him. I think him and Sellen would be interesting to hear in the Raya Lucaria debate parlor.
@@x_Skeleton_x they're both kinda creepy and sinister but also clearly not so crazy that it's affecting their intellect. Honestly love the evil characters in Elden Ring and the capacity for the player to be a real bastard.
@@strawhatshinigami9190 different teams I’m sure. I wonder what their cinematic team was up to that they were only able to drop a few in engine cutscenes over the course of two years. Hope they were busy with something cool
I think Metyr works well enough without a cutscene, the build of of the finger ruins and Ymir work just as well. Definitely agree with the Rellana needing one, same with Romina.
I was sad that he didn't have a peaceful ending to the questline. He seemed like a fine, refined and knowledgeable chap, I'd be happy to let him be the new fingercreeper mom, fine by me like, "yeah buddy, take good care of those fingercreepers, Imma go kill a god now, see you later" I'd be happy with that outcome
In a dlc filled with shocking lore revelations, the reveal that the greater will had abandoned the lands between even before Marika became a god was easily the most harrowing. Generations of suffering, death, discrimination, and genocide all for what? Parental abandonment is a really prominent theme in elden ring. Marika abandons or discards several of her kids, Malenia rejects all of her offspring of Rot, and finally the greater will abandoned Metyr. Renalla seems to be the only mother in this game who gave a shit about her kids lol.
By offspring of the Rot, do you the Kindred pests or Milicent and her sisters? I ask because Malenia arguably had very good reason to steer clear of one group and seems to have no clue the other exists.
Ymir: "Hmm, the Tarnished has rang the last bell. I am looking forward our theological debate about the nature of -" Tarnished: "I defeated Metyr." Ymir: "... what?"
Considering you find one of those special Larval Tears Nearby, I was wondering if Yuri was once Ymirs real child that died and he desired to bring him back in the shape of a finger creeper, because what is strange is that Yuri´s grave is there from the beginning but eventually Ymir will hold the little creeper who he also calls Yuri, Perhaps he tried a similar method as Renalla but since he did not have the Rune of the Unborn, the Yuri he resurected was shortlived and likely kept dying over and over, turning Ymir desperate and maybe hatching this maniacal scheme in the process
I’m convinced this is what happened. Grief can really affect a person mentally and emotionally. If Ymir lost a child to an illness at a young age he probably spiraled into depression. He may have dabbled in forbidden arts in order to bring back his son, hence his obsession with birth and being a mother. If he lost the human Yuri’s mother when the former was very young he may have become a ‘Mr. Mom’ in order to raise his child alone.
This is what I thought when playing it. I assumed Yuri was his actual child because I found the grave before the whole finger thing came to light. It felt like he went mad after the loss of his child.
i wonder if Ymir with his obsession with the fingers and his ties to the Carians explains or is somewhat connected to the reason that the court yard of the Caria manor is overrun with finger creepers
15:15 "the microcosm is essentially the tool used by Metyr, the Mother of Fingers, to speak with the Greater Will" I have to say I disagree with this interpretation. Considering the cosmic tone of Metyr, we can look at the word as its parts - micro and cosmos, literally referring to the local space around the Land Between, as opposed to the macrocosm of the universe at large. "The Mother received signs from the Greater Will from the beyond of the microcosm." I think the beyond here means that the Greater Will was simply outside of that local space, sent a star to the Lands Between, and kept going, eventually passing out of contact range with Metyr. Metyr's remembrance calls her a 'magnificently gleaming daughter of the Greater Will', but, as Ymir says, we are *all* children of the Greater Will, and none of us, including her, can fathom its implications. This creates a potential interpretation of the Greater Will causing the 'great rupture far across the skies' (the Big Bang) that created the stardust (hydrogen) that all life eventually came from, sent the Elden Beast and Metyr, and eventually... got bored and left. An uncaring parent that favored an entire world as a passing fancy. Great video overall, was waiting for y'all to cover the Count, whom I have been unreasonably infatuated with from the release of the DLC.
"I'd venture to guess... Ymir was much less cryptic with the young demigod than he was with us" I don't think the inhabitants of the lands between know how to not be cryptic. I think its built into their concept of language lol
"What doest thee gibbering fool mean, none of mineth w'rds art enshielf in meaning as all shalt beest reveal'd by the toucheth of the moon falling upon the golden 'rd'r on a summ'rs feast day" Ye man idk seems to all make sense here.
A funny thing about Ymir is he's basically Elden Ring's equivalent of Carl Sagan, an astronomer and scholar who stressed the inherent connectedness of all things as children of the Cosmos. "We are all made of star stuff, we are a way for the Cosmos to know itself."
Several people have mentioned that we don't actually kill Meytr, she travels through the microcosm when she's defeated and that's potentially what "wounds" Ymir. Possibly he needed Metyr properly dead to take her place
Are Ymir's intentions noble...? I would argue as noble of those of Marika.... or Miquela..... or Rani..... or our own Tarnished..... We all seek to solve the same problem, doing what we think is best. If the solution works, who's to say if the primary motivation for that choice was right or wrong? As to Yuri, for me at least, the game didn't provide enough info to make a clear decision. It could be that Yuri was finger child that failed, or it could be it was his real child, who's death scarred him so much, he came to desire a new family, one even closer tied to him!
In a way, Ymir was more on point than Marika and the Golden order about the Gods and that stuff even if Radagon tried to investigate that very side through fundamentalism after meeting rennala and the glintstone wisdom. He left the carian family and the worshipping of the Moon because to him It was like a "false God", since he wants to be still part of the GW scheme. As Ranni states in the ending "reaching the great beyond" It looks like the Moon can be a proper way to reach godhood, a way that Ymir couldnt accept.
I think he left the Carian family because he was the same person as Marika and the only reason he married Rennala in the first place was to bring Liurnia under the rule of the erdtree. And possibly to cuckoo some offspring into the Carian family for mysterious reasons.
I noticed Metyr and the Elden Beast are wounded in the same place and are mirrors of each other. Vassal and daughter... Nokstella, their lord of Night and fated age of stars. The Erdtree, age of plenty and its ever destined fate of flame... Seems like the two are inevitably drawn together... Jòlan and Anna remind me of the Nox Puppets Nightmaiden and Swordress. Night and Flame.
He probably just cared more about fingers than humans because humans disapointed him greatly. He was gonna replace them with fingers with himself at the top. This is why we had to get rid of him. But we had ample clues before the end to know this would not end with him living for very long. We had no way to bring back hope to him. This is a story about hope, and how dreadful it is when you don't have any left.
The mythology behind the norse Ymir giving birth to the ice giants reflects the idea of a man being a mother. The giant Ymir was the first born in the universe, the first sentient being. I believe ER Ymir reflects that in being the first to have a greater understanding of the universe through sorcery. A mother of giant (fingers) .
I doubt that Ymir sees the fingers as a tool, at least entirely. I think his final words being "Im sorry Yuri, I wanted to b your mother" is more than enough to show that, though ruthless, hes absolutely not THAT cold. This might just be character assassination on your end
@@square-table-gaming i think the description of cherishing fingers cover his views on the fingers. In the simplest terms, if Ymir had no feelings towards the fingers, he wouldnt care about their opinion on him so the description wouldn't need to state how Ymir sees the spell
Ymir tried to murder us for Metyr's remembrance which would yield him the power of the genuine article. Deep down, he knows he's even more defective than her.
I've seen this mentioned before, my only question would be how does he utilize the remembrance? As far as we know only the finger maidens can turn those into items and there are none in the land of shadow.
@@square-table-gaming He managed to travel from the College/Caria Manor to the land of shadows, I think he can trace his way back or could give birth to his own two fingers that'd have their own finger readers.
@@froilanflorentino1252 potentially he's been there since the lands were separated. It's unlikely he came there after the fact as it seems Miquella only opened the way recently
@@square-table-gaming There's also a high possibility that he could locate the new exit by reading his fate forward from the stars. Radahn doesn't hold them anymore when we killed his original body.
This npc reminds me of the contrast of the priests versus the mages from demon’s souls. In the end the power comes from the greater will, yet is dressed to fit each groups diction. Perspective or the lack there of has shaped the world. Its like is baptists vs Catholics ( lol one is automatically capitalized) what does the GW think of this conflict or did it move on long ago leaving the petri dish to its fate?!?
Ymir probably has the best intentions of anyone in Elden Ring. He discovered knowledge unique to him, noone else talks about the cosmos and origin of life. I forgive him for being ruthless as you have to be in this horrendous world, with all the other powers constantly jostling.
Just an odd tangent, but I followed the word "Ymir" to Merriam-Webster, learned that the word was first used in print in 1793, and then clicked through to the page containing other words first used in print that year. Here are a few I found interesting and/or my brain tried to associate with this vid, the questline, and Elden Ring overall (associations with leaves and plant life in second set): Amentia Anti-reform Bi-sexual Callused Counterrevolution Decompound Defoliate Midrib Rootlet Venation
Quick follow up: Couldn't find "Ansbach" in the dictionary, but it led me to ambatch: a rapidly growing thorny tree (Aeschynomene elaphroxylon) of the Nile valley valued for its white pithlike wood. Scooby-Doo foghorn sounds.
He’s an interesting character who offers some very intriguing insight and revelations about the nature of the world, even if his reliability and sanity is dubious at best.
Great video. This is just feedback that i wanna give is the audio between you and the collab. It is kinda unbalanced. When he tries to read the item description, the audio bass is increasing. Which makes the transtion sound a little bit unnatural.
I wonder if Gideon saw the greater wills ,will, rather than marika and it wants us to struggle. because why would it create something and then abandon it.
He was a unique figure, but one area so many forget about is the area to get here, the Bonnie Village. Itd be best saved for a Halloween Video but seeing it and the story hidden in it, as well as the NPC invader of the base game given light, it adds an air of unease to the location and enemies
I always joked that fromsoft changed the gender of Daedicar after early access because they were scared of mpreg. And then they give us a full mpreg NPC huh.
I will say I think yimir reminds me of our own tarnished. He was hurt and wanting to repair things that were far out of his reach. He wanted to care for a creature abandoned like he must feel. Like everyone in the world must feel. Similar to real life. We look for signs in the stars for any sight of God or for a sign to bring about better times. While I will say yimir tipped off and did twisted things but we cannot forget that he is a damaged person and when we are broken our minds are not quite our own. I loved this quest and I actually wish we could have reasoned with him and saved all three. But this is a fromsoft game and there is never any happiness even if that what we desire. A truly depressing experience and a great representation of real life. As messed up as it is the world is almost exactly like elden ring minus the amazing cool vistas and magic and such. It’s just boring and sad in reality
I had a thought about the hat.. it looks almost like the gate of divinity. And then I saw the "greater will circle" at the area where metyr is. And then I had this theory: Could it be that the greater will is in conncetion with the gate of divinity? I suspect that the greater will is mimicing the Moon and it offered Marika a opportunity to be raised to godhood without the stars -a betrayal. What would that make Miquella? I know he was questioning the golden order bc how they abandoned Malenia but maybe not the greater will itself. What do you say?
I think it was the Elden beast that was connected to the gate of divinity since we can hear it's roar during the scene where Marika stands in front of the gate with the string of runes
@@square-table-gamingThank you so much for replying !!Good Hint! I didnt notice that! That makes sense. Could that be that it resembles an eclipse?? Because the shape of the gate of divinity... it reminds me of Beserks Eclipse , even more with all the bodies.. in Beserk Griffith betrays and sacrifice the Band of the Hawk - his people. And since From Software is all about Duality and in Elden Ring blending things together is a huge thing an Eclipse is the blending of the Moon and the Sun. In that universe that might be a huge deal and the moment a shaman, Marika, blends herself with Sun and Moon. Its just a thought since the parallels with ER and beserk had buffled me.
I know this question is alittle off the topic of this Elden Lore video but what armors is the Tarnished wearing at the very beginning of this video before meeting Count Ymir?
@square-table-gaming Thank you. You had a different set of armor on it the beginning of the video that had a red semi cape like something on and I couldn't tell what leg armor you had on.
@@LYCAN-MASTER oh! That's just blaidds armor with the chest piece altered so there is no cape. For the head piece I'm using the altered banished knight helm
I know we want to cling to any and all new information with this DLC, but I don’t think that Ymir is telling us the actual truth in regards to the world and the beginning of the golden order and so on. He’s clearly as unhinged as he claims the Marika and the fingers to be. I think his quest is one big red herring.
Ymir is clearly unstable . So, I am forced to wonder how much weight can we truly put on his words ? He is clearly jealous of metyr and wants to replace her . Jealous people seldom tell the truth. I'm not saying he's wrong.I'm just saying .
@@tjniezek3096 Most likely, Metyr was never defective, just abandoned by her parent. Gideon says that Marika wants us to continue to struggle but maybe that's just the last thing that her two fingers have heard from the greater will, relayed by their mother.
I don't actually have anything against Ymir's plan. Like, the dude is _weird,_ but I don't really care if he wants to replace a lying finger monster and become a mutated family man? He's a traumatised guy who wants his kids, no matter if they're creepy hands or not, and he acknowledges all the downfalls of the gods, demi-gods and the fingers that guided them, unlike anyone else. He doesn't seem to want to control the world and mess it up like they did, at the very lest. But I still have to acknowledge all his flaws: He lied to his only follower and made her attack us. He turned her sister into a puppet. He wanted to manipulate and tried to kill us. After assuming the role of Mother, I don't think he cares about the lives of anything beyond the fingers he was finally able to birth. So, in the end he's just as much a problem as any other scheming god or demi-god who believes they should seize a role and make things anew. In fact, his compassion for the fingers and want to replace their Mother kind of parallels Miquella trying to replace his own mother in godhood and start an age of compassion only to immediately attack us as their first act. What a hypocrite. What a shame.
I've been wondering why the scadurtree avatar uses thorn sorceries. Previously they were related to the blood star, but why would the avatar use them? Are its version of thorn sorceries related at all to the base game thorn sorceries?
No its thorns are related to the thorns that are around the scadutree and also the sealing thorns around Enir Ilim. The base game thorns are all red from the blood star, but scadutree's are like a grayish green, more naturalbplant like
Not an insult more of constructive criticism to coleslaw. You mispronounced a fair number of words. It's fine because like the words you were reading were shown to us. But sometimes a couple takes of the recording will help with that. All goodthough. Still gonna check out your channel :).
Coleslaw is new to the space and collabing with us for this vid. I like his delivery and we should always encourage creators trying to put something out y'know?
I think the concept exists in universe, just not as strongly socially enforced. Mostly I think From is always playing around with gender. Gwyndolin, the gender coffin, Marika/Radagon, an apparent male identifying character's chosen title literally being "Mother." It's been a surprisingly consistent theme.
If you could cover the dialects, but you’d need to be a dialect coach to have the ear for all the characters specific uk accents. For instance ranni has a welsh accent
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"You are a fighter, are you not? I can see it in your eyes."
*bro holding a sword twice the size of him* "what gave it away"
Your eyes obviously, he says so himself
Ymir was a broken man. I think he had a happy life, a son. But his son passed. His mind cracked, and through magic, summoned a fingercreeper, a small one, sickly. He truly believed it was little Yuri reborn, but even this died. And so he set on taking Metyr’s power, all in the vain hope to birth his son once more
I like that! 👍
Reminds me of another mother who lost her child and is trying to rebirth her to no avail - Renalla.
"You see Tarnished, thats the very problem with society, the fact that we live in one."
Your profile pic is perfect.
Ymir is my new favorite FormSoftware NPC. Educated and cultured, mentally unstable but still skilled and mostly reasonable, has deep lore connections that I think are underrepresented in lorehunts, and is passionate about his cause no matter how we may judge him. I think him and Sellen would be interesting to hear in the Raya Lucaria debate parlor.
Ymir and Sellen are easily my favorite NPCs in Elden Ring.
And pastor of vows, the dog pope miriel
@@x_Skeleton_x they're both kinda creepy and sinister but also clearly not so crazy that it's affecting their intellect. Honestly love the evil characters in Elden Ring and the capacity for the player to be a real bastard.
Need merch with ymir saying "Im not the stepmom, Im the mom that stepped up"
Ron stampler?
Lowkey ymir and Romina can say the same 😂
😭
I’d rock the hell outta that.
So did we commit matricide?
Here so early the Greater Will is still talking to Metyr
These Metyr, Rellana and Ymir deserved cutscenes.
And Romina in my humble opinion
Biggest disappointment In the DLC in front of no boss rush.
Could've had both as big as the map was @@Moss_and_Such
@@strawhatshinigami9190 different teams I’m sure. I wonder what their cinematic team was up to that they were only able to drop a few in engine cutscenes over the course of two years. Hope they were busy with something cool
I think Metyr works well enough without a cutscene, the build of of the finger ruins and Ymir work just as well. Definitely agree with the Rellana needing one, same with Romina.
I was sad that he didn't have a peaceful ending to the questline. He seemed like a fine, refined and knowledgeable chap, I'd be happy to let him be the new fingercreeper mom, fine by me
like, "yeah buddy, take good care of those fingercreepers, Imma go kill a god now, see you later"
I'd be happy with that outcome
Actualy same, i mean, the dude won,t be a problem, nor his existance would be a problem
He turned Anna into a puppet lmao. He needed to go
In a dlc filled with shocking lore revelations, the reveal that the greater will had abandoned the lands between even before Marika became a god was easily the most harrowing. Generations of suffering, death, discrimination, and genocide all for what?
Parental abandonment is a really prominent theme in elden ring. Marika abandons or discards several of her kids, Malenia rejects all of her offspring of Rot, and finally the greater will abandoned Metyr. Renalla seems to be the only mother in this game who gave a shit about her kids lol.
The guy in Castle Morne also abandoned his daughter to keep defending his castle, notably.
Nah cuz radagon walked out so even Rennalla got done dirty by parental abandonment. Divorce hit hard
@@soldierinsane2689 Pretty sure you're thinking of Rani, Rennalla is the mother who got divorced.
By offspring of the Rot, do you the Kindred pests or Milicent and her sisters? I ask because Malenia arguably had very good reason to steer clear of one group and seems to have no clue the other exists.
@@paytoncotroneo8840okay so imagine your off in a foreign land working and then suddenly your sister goes into a depressive sprial
Ymir: "Hmm, the Tarnished has rang the last bell. I am looking forward our theological debate about the nature of -"
Tarnished: "I defeated Metyr."
Ymir: "... what?"
Considering you find one of those special Larval Tears Nearby, I was wondering if Yuri was once Ymirs real child that died and he desired to bring him back in the shape of a finger creeper, because what is strange is that Yuri´s grave is there from the beginning but eventually Ymir will hold the little creeper who he also calls Yuri,
Perhaps he tried a similar method as Renalla but since he did not have the Rune of the Unborn, the Yuri he resurected was shortlived and likely kept dying over and over, turning Ymir desperate and maybe hatching this maniacal scheme in the process
I’m convinced this is what happened. Grief can really affect a person mentally and emotionally. If Ymir lost a child to an illness at a young age he probably spiraled into depression. He may have dabbled in forbidden arts in order to bring back his son, hence his obsession with birth and being a mother. If he lost the human Yuri’s mother when the former was very young he may have become a ‘Mr. Mom’ in order to raise his child alone.
This is what I thought when playing it. I assumed Yuri was his actual child because I found the grave before the whole finger thing came to light. It felt like he went mad after the loss of his child.
i wonder if Ymir with his obsession with the fingers and his ties to the Carians explains or is somewhat connected to the reason that the court yard of the Caria manor is overrun with finger creepers
Relnala: ,,What you got there?" Count yimir holding young fingercreeper: ,,A starlight shard"
I think we have to take what Ymir says with a grain of salt since he's clearly insane.
Mpreg? In MY Souls game? More likely than you'd first think!
Find God
@@blodiaaa6990 No
@@blodiaaa6990 You can find him in Tijuana on Wednesdays
@@blodiaaa6990We all did that: they're at the end of the game!
@@blodiaaa6990 instructions unclear. God slain.
When I saw him clutching the fingercreepers I was so confused
15:15 "the microcosm is essentially the tool used by Metyr, the Mother of Fingers, to speak with the Greater Will"
I have to say I disagree with this interpretation. Considering the cosmic tone of Metyr, we can look at the word as its parts - micro and cosmos, literally referring to the local space around the Land Between, as opposed to the macrocosm of the universe at large. "The Mother received signs from the Greater Will from the beyond of the microcosm." I think the beyond here means that the Greater Will was simply outside of that local space, sent a star to the Lands Between, and kept going, eventually passing out of contact range with Metyr.
Metyr's remembrance calls her a 'magnificently gleaming daughter of the Greater Will', but, as Ymir says, we are *all* children of the Greater Will, and none of us, including her, can fathom its implications. This creates a potential interpretation of the Greater Will causing the 'great rupture far across the skies' (the Big Bang) that created the stardust (hydrogen) that all life eventually came from, sent the Elden Beast and Metyr, and eventually... got bored and left. An uncaring parent that favored an entire world as a passing fancy.
Great video overall, was waiting for y'all to cover the Count, whom I have been unreasonably infatuated with from the release of the DLC.
"I'd venture to guess... Ymir was much less cryptic with the young demigod than he was with us"
I don't think the inhabitants of the lands between know how to not be cryptic. I think its built into their concept of language lol
"What doest thee gibbering fool mean, none of mineth w'rds art enshielf in meaning as all shalt beest reveal'd by the toucheth of the moon falling upon the golden 'rd'r on a summ'rs feast day"
Ye man idk seems to all make sense here.
@@juliusarcher7241same linguistics is basic
You forgot the only person who's never cryptic in the entire game "Marika's tits you must be hungry"
Ymir gotta be one of the weirdest Souls characters. lol
A funny thing about Ymir is he's basically Elden Ring's equivalent of Carl Sagan, an astronomer and scholar who stressed the inherent connectedness of all things as children of the Cosmos.
"We are all made of star stuff, we are a way for the Cosmos to know itself."
Carl Sagan is one of my idols
The moment he popped up, said to look at his fingers and proclaimed himself to be a mother, I basically yelled "NOPE" and started swinging.
its 2024, he can be a mother to some weird ass spider finger creature if he wants to!
@@MeowLestyTo quote the original comment, "NOPE"
Lol in a game like elden ring. thats where you draw the line 😂😂
You know when I first encountered that, I went silent and was filled with a unyielding duty to kill this man after stating such things
I'd react the same way lmao. When I read that you said "NOPE", I also read that in my voice cause I do the same thing 😅
Several people have mentioned that we don't actually kill Meytr, she travels through the microcosm when she's defeated and that's potentially what "wounds" Ymir. Possibly he needed Metyr properly dead to take her place
We called that out in last week's episode on Metyr, I think that's a good theory
Ymir, the Mpreg Empyrean
Are Ymir's intentions noble...? I would argue as noble of those of Marika.... or Miquela..... or Rani..... or our own Tarnished..... We all seek to solve the same problem, doing what we think is best. If the solution works, who's to say if the primary motivation for that choice was right or wrong?
As to Yuri, for me at least, the game didn't provide enough info to make a clear decision. It could be that Yuri was finger child that failed, or it could be it was his real child, who's death scarred him so much, he came to desire a new family, one even closer tied to him!
In a way, Ymir was more on point than Marika and the Golden order about the Gods and that stuff even if Radagon tried to investigate that very side through fundamentalism after meeting rennala and the glintstone wisdom.
He left the carian family and the worshipping of the Moon because to him It was like a "false God", since he wants to be still part of the GW scheme. As Ranni states in the ending "reaching the great beyond" It looks like the Moon can be a proper way to reach godhood, a way that Ymir couldnt accept.
I think he left the Carian family because he was the same person as Marika and the only reason he married Rennala in the first place was to bring Liurnia under the rule of the erdtree. And possibly to cuckoo some offspring into the Carian family for mysterious reasons.
Imagine mass domesticating finger creepers. The perfect pet.
Yea, so these videos have become my adult Saturday morning cartoon 😂
That is an honor to hear, seriously
Something i dont think ive seen anyone discuss is his name. The norse giant from whose body formed the world.
I noticed Metyr and the Elden Beast are wounded in the same place and are mirrors of each other. Vassal and daughter...
Nokstella, their lord of Night and fated age of stars. The Erdtree, age of plenty and its ever destined fate of flame... Seems like the two are inevitably drawn together...
Jòlan and Anna remind me of the Nox Puppets Nightmaiden and Swordress.
Night and Flame.
He probably just cared more about fingers than humans because humans disapointed him greatly. He was gonna replace them with fingers with himself at the top. This is why we had to get rid of him. But we had ample clues before the end to know this would not end with him living for very long. We had no way to bring back hope to him. This is a story about hope, and how dreadful it is when you don't have any left.
so sad that we end up killing him after he becomes the mother. i would’ve just let him chill there tbh
My favorite lore channel by far, hope the guest narrator is just for this one video though
I dont care that he isnt that popular he is my favourite and he will be a mother of fingers!
amazing as usual, and awsome to see a collab
The mythology behind the norse Ymir giving birth to the ice giants reflects the idea of a man being a mother.
The giant Ymir was the first born in the universe, the first sentient being.
I believe ER Ymir reflects that in being the first to have a greater understanding of the universe through sorcery.
A mother of giant (fingers) .
I doubt that Ymir sees the fingers as a tool, at least entirely. I think his final words being "Im sorry Yuri, I wanted to b your mother" is more than enough to show that, though ruthless, hes absolutely not THAT cold.
This might just be character assassination on your end
He definitely cared about Yuri, but the fingers as a whole? Im not so sure. If you believe Yuri is a stand-in for his dead son that makes sense.
@@square-table-gaming i think the description of cherishing fingers cover his views on the fingers. In the simplest terms, if Ymir had no feelings towards the fingers, he wouldnt care about their opinion on him so the description wouldn't need to state how Ymir sees the spell
If the Boss from Smiling Friends was in Elden Ring xDD
I just had a feeling bruh
Ya he gave me one of my favorite spells so didn’t wana kill him with it haha. Loved the dlc just hoped for a few more cutscenes
Imagine if ymir and messmer had a talk, one wants his mother back, and the other wants to be one
Ymir tried to murder us for Metyr's remembrance which would yield him the power of the genuine article. Deep down, he knows he's even more defective than her.
I've seen this mentioned before, my only question would be how does he utilize the remembrance? As far as we know only the finger maidens can turn those into items and there are none in the land of shadow.
@@square-table-gaming He managed to travel from the College/Caria Manor to the land of shadows, I think he can trace his way back or could give birth to his own two fingers that'd have their own finger readers.
@@froilanflorentino1252 potentially he's been there since the lands were separated. It's unlikely he came there after the fact as it seems Miquella only opened the way recently
@@square-table-gaming There's also a high possibility that he could locate the new exit by reading his fate forward from the stars. Radahn doesn't hold them anymore when we killed his original body.
I searched for the little boy for awhile ngl
He’s “like Thops” because it’s the same voice actor…
You know that's not what we meant haha
No? Ymir is voiced by Matthew Gravelle while Thops is voiced by Matthew Morgan.
He's like Thops because they are both carian sorcerer-astrologers.
Everytime I see a new Elden Ring lore video from you I feel like I'm watching cartoons in the morning lol
This npc reminds me of the contrast of the priests versus the mages from demon’s souls. In the end the power comes from the greater will, yet is dressed to fit each groups diction. Perspective or the lack there of has shaped the world. Its like is baptists vs Catholics ( lol one is automatically capitalized) what does the GW think of this conflict or did it move on long ago leaving the petri dish to its fate?!?
Your thumbnail just made me realize... the collar and hat are supposed to look like Metyr (minus her tail).
That colossal sword in a face all the time )))
Ymir’s quest kinda reminds me of dark souls 1, the having to ring 2 bells
Ymir probably has the best intentions of anyone in Elden Ring. He discovered knowledge unique to him, noone else talks about the cosmos and origin of life. I forgive him for being ruthless as you have to be in this horrendous world, with all the other powers constantly jostling.
So, the Greater Will is a deadbeat dad?
Just an odd tangent, but I followed the word "Ymir" to Merriam-Webster, learned that the word was first used in print in 1793, and then clicked through to the page containing other words first used in print that year. Here are a few I found interesting and/or my brain tried to associate with this vid, the questline, and Elden Ring overall (associations with leaves and plant life in second set):
Amentia
Anti-reform
Bi-sexual
Callused
Counterrevolution
Decompound
Defoliate
Midrib
Rootlet
Venation
Quick follow up:
Couldn't find "Ansbach" in the dictionary, but it led me to ambatch: a rapidly growing thorny tree (Aeschynomene elaphroxylon) of the Nile valley valued for its white pithlike wood.
Scooby-Doo foghorn sounds.
He’s an interesting character who offers some very intriguing insight and revelations about the nature of the world, even if his reliability and sanity is dubious at best.
Great video. This is just feedback that i wanna give is the audio between you and the collab. It is kinda unbalanced. When he tries to read the item description, the audio bass is increasing. Which makes the transtion sound a little bit unnatural.
When I first saw the baby creeper he held I was like, wtf?
I wonder if Gideon saw the greater wills ,will, rather than marika and it wants us to struggle. because why would it create something and then abandon it.
Like most tv shows .. i looked forward to these videos every week lol
Thank you!
He was a unique figure, but one area so many forget about is the area to get here, the Bonnie Village. Itd be best saved for a Halloween Video but seeing it and the story hidden in it, as well as the NPC invader of the base game given light, it adds an air of unease to the location and enemies
More Slaw!
*pounding the table* More Slaw! More Slaw! More Slaw! More Slaw! More Slaw!
(I don't care about audio, Coleslaw is Good)
I always joked that fromsoft changed the gender of Daedicar after early access because they were scared of mpreg. And then they give us a full mpreg NPC huh.
Funny that although everything is supposed to link to hands, fingers and digitals the big "flutes" we have to blow look like peens with PHIMOSIS
I will say I think yimir reminds me of our own tarnished. He was hurt and wanting to repair things that were far out of his reach. He wanted to care for a creature abandoned like he must feel. Like everyone in the world must feel. Similar to real life. We look for signs in the stars for any sight of God or for a sign to bring about better times. While I will say yimir tipped off and did twisted things but we cannot forget that he is a damaged person and when we are broken our minds are not quite our own. I loved this quest and I actually wish we could have reasoned with him and saved all three. But this is a fromsoft game and there is never any happiness even if that what we desire. A truly depressing experience and a great representation of real life. As messed up as it is the world is almost exactly like elden ring minus the amazing cool vistas and magic and such. It’s just boring and sad in reality
I had a thought about the hat.. it looks almost like the gate of divinity. And then I saw the "greater will circle" at the area where metyr is. And then I had this theory:
Could it be that the greater will is in conncetion with the gate of divinity? I suspect that the greater will is mimicing the Moon and it offered Marika a opportunity to be raised to godhood without the stars -a betrayal.
What would that make Miquella? I know he was questioning the golden order bc how they abandoned Malenia but maybe not the greater will itself.
What do you say?
I think it was the Elden beast that was connected to the gate of divinity since we can hear it's roar during the scene where Marika stands in front of the gate with the string of runes
@@square-table-gamingThank you so much for replying !!Good Hint! I didnt notice that! That makes sense. Could that be that it resembles an eclipse?? Because the shape of the gate of divinity... it reminds me of Beserks Eclipse , even more with all the bodies.. in Beserk Griffith betrays and sacrifice the Band of the Hawk - his people.
And since From Software is all about Duality and in Elden Ring blending things together is a huge thing an Eclipse is the blending of the Moon and the Sun. In that universe that might be a huge deal and the moment a shaman, Marika, blends herself with Sun and Moon. Its just a thought since the parallels with ER and beserk had buffled me.
Why do Ymir videos always ignore the Finger Weaver's Cookbooks? You find one right next to the entrance to Metyr.
I don't believe that student was Ymir as it seems like that person having the ability to even write down their findings is a bit of a miracle.
I would love to see a BAYLE is a mimic or even an omen theory
Sorry I scream BAYLE at people. Bayle is what I meant
I know this question is alittle off the topic of this Elden Lore video but what armors is the Tarnished wearing at the very beginning of this video before meeting Count Ymir?
Oathseeker armor, death knight grieves and legs, Miquella's crown
@square-table-gaming Thank you. You had a different set of armor on it the beginning of the video that had a red semi cape like something on and I couldn't tell what leg armor you had on.
@@LYCAN-MASTER oh! That's just blaidds armor with the chest piece altered so there is no cape. For the head piece I'm using the altered banished knight helm
@square-table-gaming ok thank you.
Something about Ymir was always a little…unsettling
I know we want to cling to any and all new information with this DLC, but I don’t think that Ymir is telling us the actual truth in regards to the world and the beginning of the golden order and so on. He’s clearly as unhinged as he claims the Marika and the fingers to be. I think his quest is one big red herring.
Nice was looking for new Elden ring lore videow
Ymir is clearly unstable . So, I am forced to wonder how much weight can we truly put on his words ? He is clearly jealous of metyr and wants to replace her . Jealous people seldom tell the truth. I'm not saying he's wrong.I'm just saying .
@@tjniezek3096 Most likely, Metyr was never defective, just abandoned by her parent.
Gideon says that Marika wants us to continue to struggle but maybe that's just the last thing that her two fingers have heard from the greater will, relayed by their mother.
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I don't actually have anything against Ymir's plan. Like, the dude is _weird,_ but I don't really care if he wants to replace a lying finger monster and become a mutated family man? He's a traumatised guy who wants his kids, no matter if they're creepy hands or not, and he acknowledges all the downfalls of the gods, demi-gods and the fingers that guided them, unlike anyone else. He doesn't seem to want to control the world and mess it up like they did, at the very lest.
But I still have to acknowledge all his flaws:
He lied to his only follower and made her attack us. He turned her sister into a puppet. He wanted to manipulate and tried to kill us. After assuming the role of Mother, I don't think he cares about the lives of anything beyond the fingers he was finally able to birth. So, in the end he's just as much a problem as any other scheming god or demi-god who believes they should seize a role and make things anew. In fact, his compassion for the fingers and want to replace their Mother kind of parallels Miquella trying to replace his own mother in godhood and start an age of compassion only to immediately attack us as their first act. What a hypocrite. What a shame.
Calling him Mother is wierd I dont get it. He should have called himself Father
He literally birthed fingers from his body
Fun fact: Metyr means Mother in Ancient Greek
Ymir is not the mommy I wanted.
Love your Vids dont ever stop 👍
I've been wondering why the scadurtree avatar uses thorn sorceries. Previously they were related to the blood star, but why would the avatar use them? Are its version of thorn sorceries related at all to the base game thorn sorceries?
No its thorns are related to the thorns that are around the scadutree and also the sealing thorns around Enir Ilim. The base game thorns are all red from the blood star, but scadutree's are like a grayish green, more naturalbplant like
@@bombthing it just seems odd to me that fromsoft would make the two so similar if there wasn't some connection. But I do see what you mean
Im not so sure about the reader who is reading item descriptions. The equipment is bad or he reads too fast. Not sure which bothers me more
Maybe with a boost from the Collab we can get him monetized and we can hear his chops with some better equipment!
For some reason, i heard people saying Metyr possessed him after you defeat her or something? Not sure where people got that idea from tho.
me to
Hunter Mills
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Not an insult more of constructive criticism to coleslaw. You mispronounced a fair number of words. It's fine because like the words you were reading were shown to us. But sometimes a couple takes of the recording will help with that. All goodthough. Still gonna check out your channel :).
Would you be interested in doing a collab? I can do voices or read for lore. Love your videos and the lore. I hold some Elden drunk souls records
I'll keep it in mind! Thanks for offering
Coleslaw??
Mother
I'm a little confused. If the greater will abandoned the Lands Between long ago, then who sent the Elden Beast?
It was after it sent the Elden beast that it abandoned everyone, basically, "here, figure it out for yourselves"
@square-table-gaming so basically, the greater will abandoned Metyr after it sent the Elden Beast and Marika attained godhood?
since the elden beast is the elden ring itself, and the dragons have an elden lord, i think the world has been abandoned for a very long time
@@mynameisurl1073 you could argue there was some time between Play the album beast arriving and Marika attaining godhood but yeah basically
not so keen on the new narrator!!
Coleslaw is new to the space and collabing with us for this vid. I like his delivery and we should always encourage creators trying to put something out y'know?
Lord, is this how far it's come? We have TH-camrs outsourcing the grunt work for Elden Ring lore dumps?
A collab is outsourcing?
Oh new voice?
Just for the item descriptions, we collabed with a new creator in the space
where does he pop his baby fingercreepers out from?
Honestly... The ending of his quest line was lame and lazy.
In whay way was it lazy
So does gender even exist in the lands between? Like at all? I’m NOT complaining, just curious.
I think the concept exists in universe, just not as strongly socially enforced. Mostly I think From is always playing around with gender. Gwyndolin, the gender coffin, Marika/Radagon, an apparent male identifying character's chosen title literally being "Mother." It's been a surprisingly consistent theme.
@@AwwGeeZ1983 very interesting! I kinda love it.
If you could cover the dialects, but you’d need to be a dialect coach to have the ear for all the characters specific uk accents. For instance ranni has a welsh accent
Not to get spicy but I'm amazed no right wing grifters have tried to stir up transphobic outrage over Ymir
There have been a couple in our comment section but we don't entertain that shit around here
@@square-table-gaming daaaamn right we don't.
Brainrot
@@MrFox-ox2ze They never got this far into the DLC lol
@@arieldreemurr6284 huh... transphobia=skill issue? This is a Meta I can support