WHEN OASIS WERE 'THE RAIN' (Feat. Mary McGuigan) - A Tale Of Two Guigsys
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- A documentary on the very earliest years of 'The Rain', the band that would become Oasis. A deep-dive into the years from childhood up until Liam Gallagher joined the band and their name was changed to Oasis. Featuring Mary McGuigan, sister of bassist Paul 'Guigsy' McGuigan
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Many thanks, JH.
The fact that it would be easier to get a private interview with Noel or Liam than Guigsy is so funny to me xD
At this point I'd rather hear a Guig's interview
Guigsy left the band because he couldn't take all the attention, he had a breakdown at one point, so it doesn't surprise me one bit.
Nevermind Liam and Noel getting back together but I bet you guigsy would be the hardest to get to do it.
@@b00ts4ndc4ts Unfortunately Noel has already said if it ever did happen it would most likely be Gem and Andy. He said because he couldnt picture Bonehead and Guigs playing songs like "The Importance of Being Idle"
@@b00ts4ndc4ts don't need him one bit. He had 0 input in songwriting and his bass playing abilities were nothing to write home about
@@AkyovNorthWest i would hope bonehead would be included since he was important to oasis's sound but guigsy isn't needed one bit apart from him probably having no interest in it
so noel liam gem and andy and bonehead joining them for the 90s stuff would be perfect
Guigsy is so mysterious. I would love it if he did an interview. He’s the Charlie Watts of the Oasis story.
I work with a rockstar's sister and it's amazing hearing all the stories from someone who was there for everything. We need more interviews with rockstar siblings.
what rockstar?
Guigs
Timmy Mallet?
Paul Gallagher ??
This is great. Delighted to hear Guigsy's doing well.
Now That's What I Call Music Journalism.
Thank you James and Mary!
Now what's precisely about music in this 45 mins?
Guigsy is a bit of an enigma to say the least. Great video :) BTW - I'll take Tony's word over Mary's because he was actually in the band and his story has ALWAYS been consistent.
Agreed.
@Beatle Stories
I 100% agree.
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She doesn't come across well here imo, attacking Tony and Chris's literacy skills, or lack thereof, and seemingly expressing a desire to do Chris harm with a snooker cue. She seems very dismissive and biased. An interesting listen none the less but I'm not sure what to make of it tbh
@@stephenlee1833 I fully expect her to defend her brother but in one interview she says the first time she met Liam was when Guigsy brought him to the house and she said he even looked like a rock star. Here she says she knew him from around the area they grew up 🤷♂️. I mean I'm going from memory here so I could be wrong, but yeah I agree - she doesn't come off very well with the way she speaks about both Chris and Tony.
One step closer to landing guigsy, come on James you can do it.
Another great video, James. Guigsy is such a mysterious and reserved lad, even in the 90's when he was effectively in Oasis he was this kind of lad - i don't remember to hear his voice in any interview. He Resembles John Deacon from Queen a lot in this aspect. It's great to hear the beginning of Oasis from his perspective. Keep the good work, James. You have a fan in Brazil, rs...
Try and get a conversation out of a heavy weed smoker 😁
@@samanthaurwin4377 A heavy weed smoker who doesn't like to talk. The music press had a hard work trying to get a few words from Guigsy in the 90's. Poor press, rs...
He says “I was off. Lost the plot.” in the Maine Road 1996 video, in response to him leaving the band for a few months for anxiety/depression and then returning. I seem to remember Alan White’s insightful input on the same topic “Yer don’t want Tom, Dick or Harry playing bass in the band”
@@bodg2093 Just got a Scott in for a few months 😁
Gust shanties.On TH-cam there's a small American interview floating somewhere with guigs, his problems sleeping without weed on tour didn't help him as well
I always liked Guigsy, mysterious dude but always seemed so cool, calm and collected, he belonged in the band that’s for sure
Some of your best work yet mate💯
This was magnificent. Great job!
No doubt we’re in for a treat! Love your vids man.
Great video James, best one yet. Keep em coming 👍👍
Awesome video! Great work and information mate. Always wondered about these years.
Absolutely brilliant again James!!
As with most stories where accounts differ, the truth is usually somewhere in the middle. However, Mary McGuigan came off really well in this interview and seems to be honest with her recollections. Bang-up job again with a story that still intrigues me more than any other Oasis story -- the early years of the band.
Really? I thought she came across as a right twat at times
When she mentioned Pete Best, I was thinking throughout the video almost the similarities. It's funny how the Beatles were an influence to them. Now with this, in more ways than one. Excellent video as always. 👍
Fab vid James thanks for your hard work )))
Great video dude, thanks .
Guigsy your a geezer big up to Mary for that amazing insight. Thanks another great video James
Awesome video once again. Much love to you with your brilliant content and these videos are always a blast to watch. James could be the ultimate Oasis historian that I know lol Looking forward to more of these. Btw have you thought of a conspiracy video for Be Here Now since you've done the first two albums besides you did the meaning behind D'You Know What I Mean?
Another great video. Nice work, James. 👍
I worked with Chris Hutton for 3 years, and talk to him regularly… would be great for you to hear it from him
Wow.wonder how has life panned out bet he has some stories to tell
Fantastic video James 📹 👏
Amazing 👏 video. James. Great work
To lose your dad at such a young age must have been horrific. I can’t even imagine.
Your best video yet.
Nice, one James, what a great video
What I find really interesting is how possibly the first ever Oasis song was written by Guigsy and his sister. It's a shame no recordings exist of any of his songs.
Brilliant video I loved Guigseys sister no nonsense tell it like it is
James, I have been a subscriber since the beginning. Love the videos on oasis. Can you please do an updated version of the oasis reunion video since there are talks of a reunion? Just imagine Liam playing acquiesce and Noel joins in the chorus "Because we need each other
We believe in one another
And I know we're going to uncover
What's sleepin' in our soul"
That would be a dream
Thanks mate keep it up
Great story! Thanks!
My Mum worked as a cleaner at Maine Road at the time and knew Paul Ashbee when he cleaned the players cars. He brought his new starter, Liam with him. They used to fill their buckets in the cleaners room, but Mum reckoned Liam was dodgy as he kept gadging cigs from her, so she hid her purse from him. Few years later, he shouted to my Mum and waved when she sneaked us into the Oasis Maine Road soundcheck
Love the storys of Oasis!!! Great job!👌
It was interesting to hear Guigsy's sister's very limited perspective on events. Thanks for sharing
Now that Noel is divorsed, he open the door for a possible Oasis reunion in the future. the bassist spot still in doubt. but who might be?. still, I believe Guigsy hasn't recived the respect he deserve. thank you for keeping the interest in Guigsy. greetings from Chile
I’m going to enjoy this
I believe Tonys story there nothing bitter comes out of his mouth 😎🇬🇧
Noel's new album is coming out in June. James needs to backlog a bunch of Noel content and spam the algorithm with it when Noel is doing the rounds in interviews. Spring-Summer is going to be great as an Oasis fan on TH-cam 😎
Hope u doing Alan White one soon James I love u channel be nice for u to long video on Whitey on why he suddenly fell out with the band and why he wanted footage of him playing removed from the supersonic documentary
Hi James, love your work mate - I saw a Noel interview the other day Absolute Radio and Noel’s new album is apparently called ‘Council Skies’ - the interviewer said ‘That about your childhood?’ And Noel replied ‘It’s the name of a book a mate wrote that just happened to be lying on the worktop’ (or something along those lines.
It just reinforced your presentation of Noel picking up random nearby books and knicking bits of it, massively.
Really interesting listen
This is great. Mary’s a star.
Great interview James. Mary seems like a nice lady and yeah Guigsy never came across as some cut-throat uncaring guy to me either. Honestly the words written in some of those books makes you realise that the actual writers of the book have used their artistic licence to make it a bit more steamy so what else have they changed just for the hell of it...
Would love to hear that song though!!
The Boardwalk is the best Manchester venue ever.. the bands that used to rehearse there are some of Manchester's finest if you played there you always see them knocking about
You know what they say...there's 3 sides to every story: yours, mine, and the truth. It's good to hear Mary's side because as you say undoubtedly there's bound to be sour grapes on Tony and Chris' parts. Cool video
Get an interview with guigsy!
Unfortunately he doesn't do them at all anymore, not even for Liam or Noel (who requested it for the DM, Supersonic & Knebworth Docs). Talking to Mary is the next best thing - or perhaps even better! Because Guigsy was notorious back in the 90s for giving 1-word answers to interviewers, whereas Mary is really funny and has a great memory of everything that went on
@@JamesHargreavesGuitar another great video... keep them coming
@@JamesHargreavesGuitar Noel in Supersonic.It wasnt like:Oh poor Guigs.No it was like fuck that cunt we have got things to do!!!!🤣🤣🤣🤣Noel is great!!!!🤣🤣🤣
@@JamesHargreavesGuitar tony must be on your radar?
Your voice sounds great Mary, don't worry about it! My voice on the other hand....
Did Mary know that Guigsy didn't play a single bass note on recording of DM !!
Hard to believe but true
I think noel played
Yes he did. Guigsy plays on all of Definitely Maybe except for Up In The Sky and Slide Away.
Please include the year when stepping through the events. This way we can rewind the clock 92-93 etc. the timeline is historic
Interesting stuff. Thoughts on a reunion? Maybe for a Whats the Story Anniversary?
That is a mighty, mighty beard 👏👏
Is that book Guigsy wrote still in print?:
I went to Burnage High School with Chris Hutton and McGuigan , same year and many same classes. I was also at the very first Rain gig in the Milestone and pretty much all of their gigs and the first few Oasis gigs including first Liam Gig and first Noel gig. I can tell you now Mary is talking complete bollocks! Chris Hutton's account is pretty much what happened. So many lies coming out of Mary's mouth. The Burnage 17 were all white and called the 'Chip Barm Boys' Paul did not witness the stabbing! it happened at the lower school when we were all in the upper school (separate site) The thatcherite bit is also correct, Mary is a staunch leftie driving todays agenda - it was different times then no matter what she thinks. Chris Hutton also started the band and not Paul.
When you saw the first gig with both Liam and Noel did you think they were good? I know that might sound like a silly question because hindsight is a wonderful thing, but when I first heard them (I didn't know what they looked like at the time) I knew they'd be big, I think it was "married with children" but I never thought they'd become as big as they became, like a 90s Beatles. Also what was Liam like, was he always like he is now?
@@Beatlestories as I remember, Liams first gig on own was awful, many have said it but he basically just did an Ian Brown impression, don’t remember any of the songs but they were very loud. When Noel started, Liam stopped with the dancing around and was more like we know, I remember the songs being a bit different but nothing stood out - only a short set and I remember them doing a couple of acoustic numbers and I thought that "what’s this, why they trying to be all professional' i do remember them supporting some band called Popcorn Groove and then a couple of months later they headlined (Boardwalk) But no ! at no point did I think they would get anywhere, I also thought that being from Manchester would hold them back as it was post Madchester when NME and MM had basically done a complete turn around and slagged off any band with any connection to Manchester.
now then mate went Burnage at the same time, spot on about the stabbing at lower school when we were at upper school, the chip barm boys brings back some memories me, Jon N (rip) Ian L, Lee K and Dave S went as the crispy cod boys!! I remember you I think are you a blue?Me Ian L and Lee K made the hit list after the canteen thing.
@@maccamcfcflc what form were you in years 1-3 ? names all ring a bell and yes a blue (literally there when we were shit haha) i think you may have gone to the youth FA cup final v utd
@@jameshughes5997 was in B , yes loads of us went youth cup final from school and at upper went away with big Keith W, Jamie G and Kevin M and Colin J, Mr Smoka was our year master
“Bone heads guitar got repossed” 😂😂😂
hmm Mary does seem nice and a very loving sister, but a few of her answers do sound a bit tit for tat and spiteful toward Hutton.
I'm sure there's a documentary when someone, maybe Guigs himself stated he had a quick temper- retaliating, hittin people for not much. But I understand, he had it tough. I guess without hearing it from Guigsy himself, I can't believe too much from others.
Mary is obviously biased and protective of him, while Chris etc. may have had a slight vendetta, maybe slightly bitter and may actually have spoken some truth.
And towards Tony. She seems to be a nice lady but she wasn't there for a lot of things I'm hearing so far
She's full of shit I've seen her before talk shit
If I'm being honest she definitely seems a bit biased. A lot of things Tony and Chris have said she just blindly dismisses, and she claims that neither of them actually wrote their own books, solely because she doesn't think they could spell some of those words.
Priceless photo of them at spike island,I heard about boneheads Jackson pollocks painted van through Noel but I imagined years ago it to be white tho! But that white paint wouldn't stand out ,didn't know guigs was there I've seen bonehead with 3 q of hair but had to double click him here .
So one side says Apples, the other side says Oranges...seems to me the truth is Bananas.
She wasn't there for most stuff she's full of shit
@Adam Weishaupt
Dude you couldn’t be more wrong if you actually put effort into being wrong. The truth is very very obviously grapes. Possibly even sour ones.
@@happybee7725 not grapes I'd say more like flying pigs
There’s always three stories.. Yours, mine and the truth.
I'm early to this one.
Noel might need oasis back together if he's took to the cleaners in the divorce settlement..
He’s getting divorce again?
He'll have begging bowl out and Liam should F him off
I’ve always doubted whether Guiggsy could ever play bass .
Cryptic tweet from Noel to Liam about forgiveness and liam response was " should i reach out to our kid for forgiveness or tell him to eff off
Noel's marriage is over and Liam did not like Noel's ex so
I read somewhere a member called John Morrin as well
played the keyboard in the rain for a couple of gigs
Have you any videos at all of paul mcguigan speaking also mcguigan is an Irish surname particularly around Tyrone in Ulster northern ireland is it possible they hav some irish backgrounds
Great video leave a reply to me if you can
The whole band is Irish mate
@@robwood8331 idk is paul arthurs Irish originally but a lot are originally BC Gallagher McCarroll and mcuigagan i know are so I'd love to find out hopefully
@@ciaranfahy4689 they are all Irish every one of them Arthurs McGuigan McCarroll Gallagher
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@@jamesbaron8398 sound
Love guigsy life style
10/10 🌍❤️☘️
No need for Mary to be so rude about Tony...uncalled for.
So next big reconstruction will be "let's have a rave on the roof"
Help me here. I worked in a record shop at that time period. I had a cassette of a band I thought was called Rain or the "The Rain". The cover of the cassette was a woman with a fully body painted yellow/green snake on it. I have never been able to find this album or what the band was. We received a number of one-off EPs in those days and I wonder if it is the same band. Any ideas?
Something doesn't quite make sense; around the 38 minute mark it says that someone asked Liam if he wanted to go round and meet the boys from The Rain for a rehearsal, and a bit later on McCarroll says: "This kid just turned up". But they already knew Liam from attending the gigs and even going to their rehearsals!!!! So Liam was no stranger to the band. So how can these two scenarios be reconciled? Someone's getting their stories wrong.
Do a video on scott mcleod
Rain reunion, original lineup.....right fu***ng now !!!!
Down at the pub when they were in school?
How does that work?
How old do you have to be to buy a drink in a pub in Burnage?
Went school with Guigsy and Chris Hutton.Paul was at upper school when the stabbing happened at the lower school, she was right about the hit list coz i was on it we were told they couldn't guarantee or safety,all the real trouble happend on the anniversary of stabbing the year after,it was wild.
Gotta love the Oasis lore
I've read Tony mccarolls book twice but never considered in the least Chris's h book
Same here. Not even remotely interested but I'll bet he's made a few quid just from it all
@@Beatlestories its more accurate to be honest
Well there's probably gonna be a reunion now that Sara has taken half of Noel's money.
She did stay around longer than I thought she would.
She knew what she wws doing ....Meg was the one who got screwed
Never happening.
I hope.
Noel solo project is better than a live tour for nostalgic parka monkeys.
@@SuperDavidGnomo Yeah I hope not either, unless they are gonna do another album. Reunions just for the sake of a tour/money grab are usually sheeite.
@@thadonis. a one off two night concert would be mega though
Did you read Liam's tweet about Noel? What do you think? It's like an earthquake
Yeah, don’t know what to make of it 😂
I remember the stabbing. My dad was the ice-cream man in Burnage at the time and was very upset
Did you know Noel and Liam?
Reunion thoughts?
I think the odds of The Rain getting back together are very very slim indeed... 😉
@@JamesHargreavesGuitar 🤣
@@JamesHargreavesGuitar What is your favourite Oasis song James? DLBIA?
Yep, DLBIA 👍👍🎸🎸
@@JamesHargreavesGuitar James... With regards to a reunion... What lineup do you think it would be?... If it was the original lineup ( or the 96 lineup)... They couldn't really play any songs from after they split... After giants, it wasn't really oasis anymore
Our band formed in 1990 and were called : The January rains, which always got abbrieviated down to 'The Rains. Gigged in and around Ofordshire and Northamptonshire until about 97. Didn't find out about Oasis's former name till years later. If they hadn't have changed their name, who knows.... May have been a law suit.
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Have you spoke to big un
Oasis were never the Rain. Two different bands
I love Bonehead and Guigsy…regardless of their playing abilities I’d wish they’d stayed in the band.
i wonder if Guigsy still smokes the mary jane
"As one of the more quieter members of the band"...haha I think that is not so difficult
Chris Hutton could’ve been integral to the band in some way, in its early days.
She haaaates Chris Hutton 😄
I had to give up after 20mins, as Mary is clearly talking nonsense. A chronic case of everybody else is wrong and I'm right. She is a bully and a bit of a psycho from what I've heard so far. No chance in heck she knows anything about what she claims in the first 20 mins, and is purely trying to discredit everyone.
Thank you. My thoughts exactly. Except I wanted to give up just before the 9 minute mark haha! This is simply not a balanced recollection. She insults Tony and Chris' interlect/literacy. Also rarely does anyone write their own book, there is nearly always a co-writer, this highlights her lack of knowledge. How would she know the incident with the school teacher didn't happen? I could go on. I still am not very fond of Guigs, not only from the books but, from his words and attitude in the interviews I have seen him in.
Well said she's full of shit
She's defo a psycho
I thought the same, everyone else is at fault, but her brother obviously.
Definitely agree here. I don’t think she comes across as a very nice person. Bit like her brother to be honest lol. Basically just says people can’t spell and wants to hurt someone with a pool cue.
Any sister is going to try and defend their brother, but that doesn’t take away the fact that Guigs was most probably a twat. In my personal opinion it’s why we don’t hear from him. There’s probably a bit of embarrassment there.
James only seems to be agreeing with her so he can get the interview. It’s all a bit obvious :)
Too much white background hurts the eyes!! Lol
Tony and guigsy were mates??? Wtf! Guigsy later is said to have threatened to run a knife through him
Claims the singer character assassinated the bassist, then proceeds to character assassinate and patronize the singer of a band your deaf Aunty could over complicate the bass lines. Nice vid.
My personal opinion is (and it is only an opinion) but usually there is no smoke without fire. If you’ve got more than one source saying someone is a bit of a c**t then it’s probably true. Just like there’s more than one source saying bonehead was a smashing guy which is probably true also.
Personally I think Guigs was probably not a very nice fella back in the day to certain people and I think this is why since leaving the band he has pretty much gone into hiding. He’s probably a bit embarrassed and maybe a bit guilty becauss of it. We all grow up. Also your sister is always going to stick up for you regardless.
My favourite line in the Oasis supersonic movie was said by Noel Gallagher. He said Oasis wasn’t for wimps…..
i read chris huttons book years ago and it was embarassing. it was like alan partridge saying ‘and i had the last laugh’ over and over.
Did Guigsy make enough money from Oasis to live a comfortable life? I hope so. I often wonder how Bonehead and Alan White are, if they need to work or if their past glories from Oasis have ensured a life of luxury.
Theyd have made a few million each id guess, depends on your lifestyle i guess.
Alan White is definitely living good, he was there for Morning Glory, Be Here Now, SOTSOG, and Heathen Chemistry. Bonehead could definitely live a comfortable life, but he's a guitarist for Liam Gallagher now.
I’d believe Mary over Tony and a random guy named Chris whose looking for his 15 mins any day. Tony’s still (and understandably so) very sour about getting kicked out of the band. And Chris is someone, no one would know if it wasn’t for 2 separate people he never met, hmm 🤔
nutbar
I assume guigs wouldnt be involved in any potential reunion, guess itd be bonehead on bass, gem guitar, liam and noel and drums well, one of 4.
I wanna know how Boneheads plastering, taping and jointing skills are now.