@@movewithmike i ponder this all the time! Sometimes the synchronization is too perfectly timed almost as if im being heard sometimes but i seem to get transcendent ancestral messages as well that seem too perfect. Theres definitely something to tap into like flipping through tv channels in the nineties
@@movewithmike I think if you do the work, the answers come to you whter through random conversations, or an algorithm finally computing something that reflects what you have been focused on. When the student is ready, the teacher appears.
I suppose TH-cam and all other related algorithm based platforms behave like our Subconscious, they bear the seeds we feed them in first place, So we find what we already knew ( thought we wanted to know) just in images we were not aware of ...❤
This gave me a new perspective on my situation. I was separated from my father and my mother. My mom left with me when I was 8 and ran away from my father and after some years I ended up living with her in an apartment rented by her. She met someone and she left whilst still paying the rent of the apartment but I ended up living all by myself at 13 years old. She instilled into me a deep hatred for my father and if she never left, I would've remained under her control. Even after moving with her partner she still tried to control me for a while but she saw that I am waking up from her hypnosis over me.. I ended up hating her and spending time with my father again and recover my relationship with him after 2 years after I remained all alone and now I learned to forgive her too, because deep down I know she had/has such a big internal turmoil she couldn't see things clearly and I understand her now. Now I feel like I see both sides of their story and I am working on making peace in my heart between them, understanding their life story, even if they still hate each other nowadays.
This is literally what just happened in my personal life. Just broke up with a truly loving woman who resembled my mother and we had codependency. It freed me to be who I am now. Free and unattached.
@@johnglennmercury7 My grandparents had a farm with a road leading straight to a beautiful beach. (Baie des Chaleurs). They had 12 children and instilled such a fear of water into them that, to this day, not one, at least on eart-h, can swim.
Back then the beach was for cleaning dishes and throwing things away. No one swam at the beach and there was a real fear of invaders from overseas for centuries due to slavery....I wouldn't want any of !y 12 children to drown. Your grandparents is did their job well
I have just discovered a gem!! Wow! What an amazing woman with a brilliant mind...This is the start of a beautiful binge watching session of all her videos and I am so excited to learn from her. This is definitely my kind of content. Thanks for posting this.
Without being political (cause for me both sides Suck Hard) we are in big trouble! Individuation for me has been a painful, lonely road. But a road I willingly trudge because I have found so much freedom and I want more. Also I’m currently in College and everything that Marie says is true, except my college is a punitive devouring mother! Vive La Marie!❤❤❤❤❤
@@DivoGo bro, good for you. Happy to hear the positivity in the face of challenge. Glad youre in college already doing this kind of work, it definitely never seems to end!
I can relate to everything said. Had to leave my mother, physically and in any other possible way available. Father died when I was 7 and it was just me and her for a while until she remarried. After taking ayahuasca and making changes in my life after that experience. I set out on my own heroes journey but had to die to the past. Had many dreams of her dying and I cried many nights. My dependency on her changed overtime and I was noticing little things I use to do and how I felt change. I was always independent as a child but a part of me was clinging to her for fear that she might die like my father did. He died in a car accident in our vacation. Very sudden. The part where she speaks about injecting masculinity into children by older males. I’ve experienced that in dreams. Freaked me out. Also notice there’s an energetic component. We are energetically tied to our fathers and mothers so even if you move across the world there’s that energetic attachment there. It has to be severed as well.
Thank you for sharing. You've undergone a deep transformation, facing both the emotional and energetic ties to your past. Severing those attachments is a crucial step on your journey, allowing you to more fully step into your own power and independence. Good work brother.
@ I didn’t do anything otherwise if I would have wanted to, I would have done it a long time ago, out of my own will. But humans don’t have that kind of power, you have to earn it, it’s bestowed upon you by forces greater than ourselves. Hence, taking ayahuasca was a catalyst. The driving force behind all that I mentioned. Just like Jung mentions of the subconscious. Is in control and we are limited by what we can grasp. It is governed or propelled by something we can’t fathom. In my travels to the Amazon of Peru, when I took ayahuasca I asked questions to the shipibo about ayahuasca and they would only reply that it is a mystery and that what ever they knew, the little they knew, they say was a blessing. So, in short and with all my rambling is that we don’t do anything, we are lead and partake in something greater. Even thinking about killing the idea of your mother would have never arised if it wasn’t for something mysterious within you asking for it.
Thanks for sharing your story. How did you die to your past? What did that process look like for you? I'm feeling an internal need for an ending as well. Along with a promising sense that there is freedom after I let go of an old life. I'm moving across the world to a different country to escape codependent bonds. Your story intrigued me.
Having grown up with this kind of men; men who live in the shadows of their mother( my father and the brother to my father), I feel this perspective is exactly true. They are weak men; full of backbiting and backstabbing, winny and expecting other people to take their responsibilities, running to their mother whenever they face a threatening crisis, they lack consistency and clear stance on issues, unnecessarily religious, and lack leadership overall. And they're in their fifties and sixties.
@akerovitalis3451 wow,i know some1like that also n his 40s & his mom take up 4 All his mischievous ways like a baby,instead of ever chastise em,never build him up like a man instead taught him n her daughter how 2 manipulate ppl
This describes my late father perfectly- he was so ashamed of impregnating my mother before marriage that he made her hide me until I was 17 months old! He was a deeply religious Catholic, going to Mass daily, & could never support his family of 8 children. He returned to his mother for meals long after he had children. My mother, then his 6 daughters became his "mothers". He never matured to be a strong, independent man & gambled in the hope of winning a large sum, though he just kept himself alive working as a pianist until the age of 89.
I lived once with a woman who had 2 daughters and a son named John. Her husband left the house the day I arrived to buy a pack of cigarettes and came back 20 years later to see the children. She was cruel to the daughters and the son could do no wrong. Last I heard John, the son, still lived with her at the age of 40.
@@bernadettesavage4786 I agree. The daughters went on to have good lives and poor John was her prisoner. It is better to be abused overtly because one can see it. The real tragedy with John was that what appeared to be love on the surface was actually a covert sadism.
Balance is important. Me and my partner are very different, and I hope that gives our children a balance. It's not necessarily gender stereotypes, but one quiet thoughtful parent, and one energised fun parent, can allow children to play out all aspects of themselves.
The mothers fears play havoc on the child’s own ability to accept and to doubt others intentions,parentifying and obsessing with the child can cause trauma in the seperation induvidualisation stages, make s schizoid personality
@@Saturntabbytype2 seriously?. How can someone know if the reason they have not individuated is due to the child's issue or if it's the mother's behaviour?
Holy shit. That made so much sense, my older brother (1st son of 3) just got recently diagnosed with schizoid personality, my father as well (genetics was our first guess on why both have) and I can say that my mother has nurtured a fear relationship and attachment, mostly with my older brother and a little with me
@@Paulathompson1712 i think everyone at one point in life is able to examine their self, some people never do it but some people just have mental clarity on some behaviors they have and when they examine themselves and the way they’ve grown up, 80% of the time they can blame their parents
Tomorrow I’m going to upload a video about Anima and Animus based on Von Franz's work. I don’t want to promote it since my audience is Spanish-speaking, but I’d love for the person who runs that channel to watch it. Best regards!
Sounds good -- let us know when live. I'll be posting some more Jungian content as well, mostly in relation to poetry. I have one about dreams, Jung, and poetry. Quite the syncretism!
It's not just sons. It looks to be that my mother expressed aspects of this to her two daughters... She parentified me but usually coddled my sister. I understand that it's good to enforce safety/protection with children, but she'd purposefully tell us real horror stories at six years old to get her point across. My sister and I couldn't do anything independantly from our mother or each other for quite a long time... I'm STILL getting used to things. I've barely learned a single thing about living on my own. Now, I've broken ties and am tryna find my own living space blindly.
That is the 2nd chapter in my Workbook. We all marry our parents because they are IN US. Archetypally we are born with predispositions and the birth chart can show you that. Our 4th (home/Mother) and our 10th (caeer/Father). This is why Jung was so into Astrology and his last books on Alchemy and AION, The Phenomenology of the Soul describe that the cosmos live inside us. As above, so below. We exteriorize all we don't know about our many selves as Shadow, Anima, Animus - complexes. Marie Louise VonFranz knew that. Her book on Alchemy is my favorite.
I wish I would have been steeped in this stuff when I was younger. Not that I have had a problem with my own mother, but that this is what I should have been learning in school. I would have tried harder and maybe went to college.
I was told about that stuff when in high school, but I thought it was mumbo jumbo, I was more into science... I should have asked questions to the students who told me about that.
What’s wrong with just living? That’s where the spirit blossoms in my view. Thinking, analysing and intellectualising are what lead to paranoia and polarisation.
Humans are animal and spirit. Technology has tricked us into thinking we’re not driven by our primal, animal instincts and Palaeolithic emotions - but we are. We’re born, weaned, socialised, educated, then kicked out of the nest. We then spread out, mate or pair up, reproduce, slow down, and die… just like most other creatures. I appreciate this lady’s years of work but I think she needs a detox from academia and research to focus enjoy life’s pleasure. Intellect and imagination can be fun but thinking is only one aspect of us. Life and the body have so much more to offer!
I agree with you. That seems, ironically enough, a very German way of thinking. Whats not said is that so called protective anxious mothers usually have very little care for the kids, behind closed doors. And way more concerned about looking 'good'.
I had to break free of this, and it's not easy. Mine was massively due to an abandonment complex bought on by my father leaving me as a child. The devouring mother, in the case of mother and son at least, is hugely a shared fantasy, a sort of two way hero projection, the mother expects the son to live up to her expectations and he sees it as his responsibility/duty to do so, and in that they both feel validated by a false sense of meaning, the whole situation being a poor substitute to compensate for an impoverished inner world on both sides. If the son has the urge to break free of this shadow side of the mother, if he feels the burden for what it really is, a seperatio must take place, and he must let that shadow projection die, he must resist the temptation of seduction back into that dynamic at all costs, and they can be huge, and it's imperative that he go onto and through the mortificatio stage to completely break the cycle. Then comes the danger of the transference of that projection. Individuate, get your life back. 🙏 ♥ "The hero must die". C.G.Jung.
I see this age of division has only developed since the interview. There're only extremes and no inbetweens, while simultaneously people think their ideology is in the fringes and the opposite one is the mainstream. Meanwhile, nobody in the big spheres is pushing for individuality and the development of the person.
Edinger once quoted Emerson saying: "As our Religion, our Education, our Art look abroad, so does our spirit of society. All men plume themselves on the improvement of society, and no man improves."
@@MsGaella we have had military conscription in most European countries that I believe served this purpose. I myself missed it and can see how it has benefited the men who has undergone it as, if just in part, an initiation into manhood - albeit lacking the sexual component.
"Men project their Anima on women, and that gives a woman tremendous power, why is it dangerous for a woman to 'identify' with that power?..." •°●°• - Inertia (A thought- Resources 'that can be stored' must be secured)
Are indian mothers motherly? Or domineering and strict? And the current state of indian men: Why does it seem so cringeworthy, why do I see it used as a meme here and there kinda often? The story of Babaji, didn't his physicsa mother choke him or not? And he sought refuge in the divine, doing Dhyan, in Kriya Yoga? Correct me.
@@shobaneshwari she is talking about something else. Man growing up in shadow of a women and women growing up in shadow of a man. You can see that in mummy's boy's who never leave their mother and never grows and hyper independent woman.
@Artlover2803 This didnt come across very clearly in her explanation. Also, ' hyperdependence' is quite subjective. Men being hyperdependent on other female figures and kowtowing to them also diminishes their personality. There is a tendency among some modern thinkers to deliberately undermine the role of the mother and undervalue the family of which the mother is one of the pillars.
Truly it affect man but also woman. When a mother is so controling that her daughter has 4 unwanted abortions just because her mother doesnt like her boyfriend, its bad. By the way they are from India.
I remember reading her book 10 years ago. After that I decided to break the dependency and go far away, never look back. I never talked to her after that. What a strange world!
That’s a European thing. In my culture, we never separate from family, our whole lives. We live with grandmothers and grandfathers and children. Our job is to teach them ourselves, the way of our culture. With virtues like compassion, kindness, friendship, love, and togetherness. While getting them ready for a natural life connected to Mother Earth.
To grow beyond being the son of a controlling mother, a person needs to find their own identity. This means learning to step away from her strong influence and discovering who they are as an individual. For example, if someone always seeks their mother's approval before making decisions, they might start making choices on their own, even if it's uncomfortable at first. By doing this, they become more independent and grow into their true self.
@The_Jungian_Aion Thank you... I did this once.. earlier in life.. then discovered the hero's journey and went to hell and was redeemed by Christ. Lost everything, had to return to live with Mom post Bufo/Peyote ceremonies then realized I literally became re-emeshed and am starting all.over again at 41... I appreciate your feedback, it is in alignment with what I am working on. Being a only child and no other family has made it challenging. Though I am making headway
She has a book called The Problem of the Puer Aeternus that talks about it. What i got from it is basically just to commit to something (job, education, relationship, hobby, lifestyle, addiction etc.) over a long period of time through thick and thin. She also explains the Puer archetype has positive traits that are often squashed and repressed in forcing the maturation, there is the risk of becoming either ultra conformist or contrarian/pariah. Its hard to summarize a 300 page book in a yt comment so i would try to find it and read it if u can. I’m aware that James Hillman has a different take on it, but i’ve yet to read his book on it (Senex and Puer) but if its like his book on the Anima it should be an interestjng read
By being here, expressing interest in becoming conscious and asking questions I can tell that you will succeed! Just keep on walking the path, no matter how hard it may be.
Aint no symbolic mother. Your biggest nurterer will become your greatest threat if you dont break that contact. There is also a type that will shelter you and try to hold on to you and then resent you for not being independent when they discard you
May God help us heal, so we can grow freely and may God cut the omblicale cord between humans and the earthly father and mother spirit. So we can find balance and can at last see the potential in everyone and have respect for ourselves in Jesus name. Smart woman, God bless her. Thank you for sharing.
@@louis-vd3ur For some reason my comment about Jewishness is not displayed in this thread anymore, neither is yours, unless I click on notifications... Google/Jewtube censorship is quite intense!
@The_Jungian_Aion recently, I have had random conversations with men. They just come up to me, lol. For example, I had a salesman in my house (bless him) he started telling me about him, MOTHER, in an not flattering way. He was holding angry back, not sure why he told me. This has happened a few times. Sometimes, I feel a deep hate to me coming from some types of males, for nothing. I have gone on a mission to understand instead of taking it to heart. This is so interesting because I'm seeing it play out in plain sight. I saw something in myself, I would put older women on a pedestal and feel sad when they behaved in a human way, nasty. lol, when I spotted that and took them off, I except them better and i dont take it personally. I'm thinking of knowledge for breakfast, please lol I lived with my dad, and I noticed he loved me as his child, but he hated what I represented, I understand now I represented the feminine. He tried to turn me into a boy. If I rebelled, he was emotional and mentally abused me.
I am happy you've decided to become more conscious and that it helps you look at your life from a more objective place. That is great and I hope that you will go on becoming more conscious and make the choices that are right for your growth, thank you for sharing!
The part about the zeitgeist in relation to medieval art and the renaissance is the key here. What crept in? Rational materialism, which is doubt in the mystical reality of life. It manifests as prideful arrogance, believing we are all there is, we can know everything and we are ultimately alone. As a result we don’t search to honour the mysterious divine but to distract ourselves with knowable comforts and pleasures. At its core it’s Antichristian in nature, believing the knowledge of self is the knowledge of God. Thus mystery is banished to the shadow and humility becomes impossible: the fall from grace. The anxiety talked about is the real and actual impending doom at the bottom of all rational materialism, hedonism: death. But this death anxiety is of the highest existential magnitude: extinction, apocalypse, eternal damnation. Paranoia is the natural state of the psyche that excludes the heart. It can’t live at all because it refuses to accept providence and goes about in a self servicing addiction cycle we consider life. It’s a delusion. It’s not that we need to change how we live, but be changed miraculously. What is being asked inside this anxiety is impossible. It thus necessitates feelings of doom, futility, depression and finally: God. What we have lost is God. Why else would we fail to comprehend love, exploit each other, cause global destruction and enslavement, live meaningless depressing existences of cold and bleak futility?
How might one begin to ask, what I guess to be correct in jungian terminology, 'shadow work' to know if this is present in our own behaviours, and to begin to understand oneself?
This is such a dark topic for me i have always seen evil in my mother even though i admire a lot about her too. She was overbearing, she didn't keep food in the house even though she worked twelve hour shifts, night shifts while i was seven, with my uncle who had just been released from prison as a baby sitter. Their mother suicided while she was pregnant with me and she had nobody else but a free drunk convicts in her life, my male relatives, and i am an only child. She worked hard, stayed sober, but i was the one who fought all the dark dragons while she fought the one dragon that is poverty so that she could have her own trailer to hide her kid in while she worked. Not too put food on the table though. She had a car too. And i got Christmas gifts. But i got slapped across the mouth a lot. And if it bless she would cry for an hour and push me away when i tried to console her so i knew she wasn't crying for lack of me lol we kinda grew up together and i still live with her for a few days
My issue is defining the ratio of princess:bitch (as Marie-Louise von Franz called these aspects of women) that is motivating enough to pursue. Maybe to add another dimension of Jung, extroverted princess and introverted bitch; a woman in possession of ruthlessly efficient ability dismantle and restructure her constellation of thorns so as to present soft petals - not as a distraction from her thorns - with sincerity and intentionality.
Defining the so-called "correct" ratio of princess-to-bitch is something that only you can determine for yourself. I think it varies from person-to-person, and it really depends on what you yourself want out of a relationship, or rather, what you are willing to deal with. In my case, one of the very FIRST things that I look for in ANY potential romantic partner, is self-awareness. Because if a person is AWARE of what their personality is like, then it at least gives them a starting point from which they can work on themselves to improve/regulate their own behaviour - or perhaps even "dismantle" and "restructure" it entirely, as you've suggested.
I’ve been trying to get away from my mom my whole life. After college after grad school after I failed in my late 20s and now after my business failed in my early 30s. Was raised by a single mom who I despised I guess but who I also loved since I have no siblings or a father. It’s strange to despise and love someone. And I guess I have arrested development. A real failure to launch. I want so badly to stand on my own but i’m not very good at life. I keep taking risks and then failing. Without my mom’s place to go back to I’d be homeless so not much of a choice… Ironically I don’t think my mom was overbearing. She’s actually neglectful. We don’t get along or have anything in common. I feel sick when talking to her or spending time with her, but I also feel compelled to force communication with her since I have no one else in the world who loves me. So if I cut her off then I will really be thrown to the wolves and the world has proven to be more hostile than my mom ever was…
It is no small thing to love and despise the same person, for such opposites reside at the core of the human soul. Your struggle is not just with your mother, but with the part of yourself that still lives in her shadow. To step fully into your own life, you must reconcile this tension-acknowledge her neglect without denying your need for connection. Failure is often the soul's way of inviting us to look inward rather than outward for validation. The path to standing on your own begins not with escaping her, but with confronting and integrating what she represents within you. Only then will you find the freedom to live-not against her, but for yourself.
@ @ easier said than done I’m afraid. If I cannot find connection, success, or safety in the world, then my only logical choice is to find it with my mother despite that connection being painful and insufficient. At the end of the day I know my mom will not let me expire on the streets but I cannot say the same about friends, romantic partners, society, my employer, or my government. In 32 years of living I have not found any solid ground in the world to stand on my own two feet. My mom is the only thing keeping me from complete destitution and societal destruction. For that I am grateful. But it’s just the lesser of two evils as neither her or the world give me space to thrive.
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The archetype is always in the psyche, and when it can't manifest in the world as well it remains in the unconscious and live there while projecting itself outwardly, usually in ways that are destructive. Check out some of Robert Moores lectures, this one for example: th-cam.com/video/4Zja82Ue8ZI/w-d-xo.html.
In my conception of this, on a higher "tier" so to speak, the culture/trends and other external systems of "Safety" reflect the Mother archetype. The Mother is The World. She's also Nature (Mother Nature eh?). Thus she becomes The Home. Scale that down. What is Your World?
@1:58 She says "I ONCE READ A BOOK ABOUT..." // Ya'll, I'm a Jungian, but what she says here is WHY YOU NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL WITH JUNGIANISM. Many of their thoughts on societies they call primitive are based on the writings of others, not their own observations. So when she's describing this South American tribe...how in the hell does she know any of that? When you read how absolutely and utterly wrong many 19th century anthropologists were you HAVE TO take what is being said with a giant grain of salt. Many of them simply made sh1t up. The Jungians are BASICALLY right about a lot of things but just realize that you need to dig into source material even more, including maybe VISITING some of the tribes they're talking about. Like...those tribes likely didn't go away, they still exist and you can actually just talk to them.
Well of course. That is actually the question of Whiteness. Who is looking and decides what's primitive? Why differentiate between them out there in the jungle and them in European cities? Yet she goes on to then unify everyone under a "we" regarding nuclear war. That's Whiteness separating itself and in a sweeping move, unifying everyone else under an imposed "we"/universality.
I agree and just to add on to your perspective, just like many paths of truth or self discovery, they only act as guides, the rest is left for the "initiate" to work it out, the whole journey by itself is very personal- The Maa people from Kenya have a rite of passage for young boys that included fighting a lion among other things- this are general but if you talk to the initiate you will discover their experience from boys to men is far from identical despite having gone through a uniform rite of passage.
6:30 sobre el "anima" -en este ejemplo explica que los hombres se enamoran del "anima" de la mujer pero esto le frustra porque no es su ser intrinseco u da de ejemplo a Marilyn Monroe
What wonderful content. Thanks so much. Fat happy soulless and satiated. Bound and stifled in front of the demoness. Failed, (Or uncannily unrecognized in process), heeding of the warning of self annihilation?! Reminds me of a lesser known kabbalistic work wherein the author points to Deity propelling man from his would be psychic demise via violent internal and external upheavals (eg the purpose of apparent ‘evil’). Love it!
From what she is saying, I identify with being a woman who plays the anima but it is not something conscious. How could i change and be my authentic self ? It is very hard to do for me. I do not want to end up miserable and alone
Self-Interrogation as a means to build Self-awareness is the best first step imo. You need to review and find how you help men (I'm assuming) Define themselves. What are the repeated situations that you find yourself in that trigger your transformation into this Anima? Where in those moments do you notice you are being less Yourself and more a vehicle, a canvass?
Just face it when you feel bad for a man , when you try to be the center of their attention just that moment be self conscious and ask yourself why i am doing this
I don't think there's always an absolutism of what is right and wrong. My sister and me were raised by a single mom and who has been the victim of such gross and horrible matriarchal beliefs and systems in place. I have grown to idolize my mother and I do know she's sometimes as imperfect as anyone else but I can't imagine even a single man or even men put together who I know could possibly endure and do all the heavy lifting she's done in raising us. I have grown to respect and understand the feminine nature more and embody what a man gotta be, I do feel chivalry in its true sense seems so dead. It's all about either simps and most folks in this comment section bitching about how wrong of it is for a man to be close to a mother and love her. I've seen my friends with a so called seemingly fairly stable upbringing not caring for their mother, not honoring and acknowledging her struggles the right way and just invalidating and feeling too ashamed to care for her and talk to her and understand her. It's the toxic masculinity all around. There's always a balance needed. A man wouldn't be man that is a leader, that is important to society if he isn't in touch with his feminine side and that is only embraced and learnt by being around mothers and sisters.
Think of Berlioz chasing that singer to the point of almost killing another man. After enough rejections, she at last consented to be his wife. He was miserable ever after.
Sometimes the relentless pursuit of a dream reveals its shadow. Berlioz’s story reminds us that what we chase obsessively can imprison us, turning desire into despair.
@@The_Jungian_Aion I wish the interviewer had followed up and asked how a man is to see past that hallucination to the real woman. Further, I think this problem of falling in love with an illusion is just a subset of a larger problem of not seeing one another properly. I wish I had done the interview instead of that guy. This is an interesting channel. I read Puer Aeternus years ago and it is one of my favorite books. I never imagined I would be watching interview clips of her. They just popped up in my suggestions.
Maybe I'm wrong but when he talks about institutions, economy etc. he seems to believe it all is related with a mother figure when now it is perfectly clear that all of that obay to a patriarcal model, not the devouring mother but another arquetipo
@@MariaMoralesZ Not sure if this is on the same lines you're speaking yet when the interviewer mentioned institutions being like 'the mother' it implied blame. When we know men created the institutions and were often women weren't even allowed to attend. Agree with so much she said yet that "blame" he implied is the misogyny whispering.
The archetypal realm is complex, and while patriarchal forces dominate many systems, both the Mother and Father archetypes can be active in different ways. The Mother may manifest as a hidden or complementary force, even within the patriarchal structures you describe.
With the exception of military service after college, most of the first 30+ years of my life were spent in female dominated institutions, even my graduate program in stats was woman-dominated. I had very few male influences growing up and dads work was just a black box. (Anecdotally, whenever I hear a male professor around my age, 40, they’re super lispy and passive aggressive).
We wouldn't be using the word Patriarchy so often if it wasn't for women. It is a scapegoat for the underlying power that women have always possessed. It's easy to put the blame on men for the way the world has gone downhill.
It is true, the Christian morality has led us to idealize women, associating them with beatitude. At the same time, we have repressed sexual instincts and projected them outward through pornography, as we could not reconcile both images: the woman as mother and beauty, and the so-called dirty sexuality. Hence the need to observe thought without judgment, to free oneself from this duality and see things as they truly are.
The dependency on the mother is exaggerated. Artaud said it best some of us don't got no mommy or daddy problems. I noticed women typically like to emphasize the importance of the mother too much because they typically are mother themselves. I think the generation suffers tremendously from this dependency. I think parents must learn to detached from there kids otherwise they will not make there strong enough to survive in today's world.
Moms are pressured to create independent children even in infancy, go back to work after 3 months, sleep train, independent play, etc. Then there's this clinging on later in teen years..
Don't produce kids and sci-tech sectors should come with industrially produced humans. Nature has wired women and men brains as the creator and product will always be attached to another. If you don't want to suffer, then avoid being in conditions to fall in love.
@@avbhinayai try to not but it’s really hard as animal instinct take over and the cycle in woman doesn’t help because you have strong need for finding a mate despite what ur brain says, your body doesn’t think the same
Today the algorithm rewarded the work i have been doing for years. Thank you
TH-cam knows me better than me :D D:
Do you sometimes wonder if the algorithm sends us messages from the unconscious like a Devine messenger?
@@movewithmike i ponder this all the time! Sometimes the synchronization is too perfectly timed almost as if im being heard sometimes but i seem to get transcendent ancestral messages as well that seem too perfect. Theres definitely something to tap into like flipping through tv channels in the nineties
@@movewithmike I think if you do the work, the answers come to you whter through random conversations, or an algorithm finally computing something that reflects what you have been focused on. When the student is ready, the teacher appears.
I suppose TH-cam and all other related algorithm based platforms behave like our Subconscious, they bear the seeds we feed them in first place, So we find what we already knew ( thought we wanted to know) just in images we were not aware of ...❤
This gave me a new perspective on my situation. I was separated from my father and my mother.
My mom left with me when I was 8 and ran away from my father and after some years I ended up living with her in an apartment rented by her. She met someone and she left whilst still paying the rent of the apartment but I ended up living all by myself at 13 years old.
She instilled into me a deep hatred for my father and if she never left, I would've remained under her control. Even after moving with her partner she still tried to control me for a while but she saw that I am waking up from her hypnosis over me.. I ended up hating her and spending time with my father again and recover my relationship with him after 2 years after I remained all alone and now I learned to forgive her too, because deep down I know she had/has such a big internal turmoil she couldn't see things clearly and I understand her now.
Now I feel like I see both sides of their story and I am working on making peace in my heart between them, understanding their life story, even if they still hate each other nowadays.
This is one of the best interviewers I've ever seen. Wow. I am incredibly impressed with how deep he engaged her.
@@introvertedfeeler2215 yes sir like he feeling it.just like us
That’sa man, baby!
We are so programmed that we can no longer recognize the sexes in our own species….that’s a man. Study skull and bones!
This is literally what just happened in my personal life. Just broke up with a truly loving woman who resembled my mother and we had codependency. It freed me to be who I am now. Free and unattached.
I wish you a great journey ahead brother, full of inner and outer growth.
@@The_Jungian_Aion Thank you!
Took me two years after the breakup to realize what I was trapped in. I'm not mad at anyone or anything but I am free and very conscious now.
The word 'matrix' is latin for mother. Which makes alot sense when you think about it
Isnt "mater?
@@angelasali28 both
Thanks for the info.
It does if you’re Andrew Tate lol
a-ha! never noticed that until you said it
Ive never heard her until now. She's so well spoken, and in a 2nd language too!!!!
"Don't do that, it's dangerous. Don't do that, it's dangerous" - that's surely the motto for modern parenting.
@@johnglennmercury7 My grandparents had a farm with a road leading straight to a beautiful beach. (Baie des Chaleurs).
They had 12 children and instilled such a fear of water into them that, to this day, not one, at least on eart-h, can swim.
Back then the beach was for cleaning dishes and throwing things away. No one swam at the beach and there was a real fear of invaders from overseas for centuries due to slavery....I wouldn't want any of !y 12 children to drown. Your grandparents is did their job well
Or “be careful”
Whoever did these subtitles is the real MVP.
Right?! 😮
Thank you.
I have just discovered a gem!! Wow! What an amazing woman with a brilliant mind...This is the start of a beautiful binge watching session of all her videos and I am so excited to learn from her. This is definitely my kind of content. Thanks for posting this.
Dude - this section of the interview is SO important for us in the US. Wow
Without being political (cause for me both sides Suck Hard) we are in big trouble! Individuation for me has been a painful, lonely road. But a road I willingly trudge because I have found so much freedom and I want more. Also I’m currently in College and everything that Marie says is true, except my college is a punitive devouring mother! Vive La Marie!❤❤❤❤❤
@@DivoGo bro, good for you. Happy to hear the positivity in the face of challenge. Glad youre in college already doing this kind of work, it definitely never seems to end!
It's brilliant isn't it?
One's road is singular even 4 twins ...
Yes, but it is still an individual endeavor.
I can relate to everything said. Had to leave my mother, physically and in any other possible way available. Father died when I was 7 and it was just me and her for a while until she remarried. After taking ayahuasca and making changes in my life after that experience. I set out on my own heroes journey but had to die to the past. Had many dreams of her dying and I cried many nights. My dependency on her changed overtime and I was noticing little things I use to do and how I felt change. I was always independent as a child but a part of me was clinging to her for fear that she might die like my father did. He died in a car accident in our vacation. Very sudden. The part where she speaks about injecting masculinity into children by older males. I’ve experienced that in dreams. Freaked me out. Also notice there’s an energetic component. We are energetically tied to our fathers and mothers so even if you move across the world there’s that energetic attachment there. It has to be severed as well.
Thank you for sharing. You've undergone a deep transformation, facing both the emotional and energetic ties to your past. Severing those attachments is a crucial step on your journey, allowing you to more fully step into your own power and independence. Good work brother.
So, you killed the idea of your mother before she actually died?
@ I didn’t do anything otherwise if I would have wanted to, I would have done it a long time ago, out of my own will. But humans don’t have that kind of power, you have to earn it, it’s bestowed upon you by forces greater than ourselves. Hence, taking ayahuasca was a catalyst. The driving force behind all that I mentioned. Just like Jung mentions of the subconscious. Is in control and we are limited by what we can grasp. It is governed or propelled by something we can’t fathom. In my travels to the Amazon of Peru, when I took ayahuasca I asked questions to the shipibo about ayahuasca and they would only reply that it is a mystery and that what ever they knew, the little they knew, they say was a blessing. So, in short and with all my rambling is that we don’t do anything, we are lead and partake in something greater. Even thinking about killing the idea of your mother would have never arised if it wasn’t for something mysterious within you asking for it.
@@Espiral88 interesting. Thanks for your sharing. Wishing you health, wealth and more wisdom.
Thanks for sharing your story. How did you die to your past? What did that process look like for you? I'm feeling an internal need for an ending as well. Along with a promising sense that there is freedom after I let go of an old life. I'm moving across the world to a different country to escape codependent bonds. Your story intrigued me.
Props to the interviewer for giving this woman the respect she deserves whilst she speaks.
Not a woman in sight!
I love how he conducted the interview. He didn't interrupt and asked very relevant and concise questions
@@timmywitty1432 He knows. Spiritual gender isn't tied to biological gender. Two (spiritually) men talking here.
Because true intelligence is in motion. Intelligence doesn't need any validation and so does not seek it.
A very intelligent woman. Good listen.
Wow, she is incredible. Going to look her up for further reading. Thank you for sharing.
She was a Jung’s student and friend
A really good book by her is "The Problem of the Puer Aeternus." (Eternal child ...does not grow up).
Dang, she is incredibly smart
Having grown up with this kind of men; men who live in the shadows of their mother( my father and the brother to my father), I feel this perspective is exactly true. They are weak men; full of backbiting and backstabbing, winny and expecting other people to take their responsibilities, running to their mother whenever they face a threatening crisis, they lack consistency and clear stance on issues, unnecessarily religious, and lack leadership overall. And they're in their fifties and sixties.
@akerovitalis3451 wow,i know some1like that also n his 40s & his mom take up 4 All his mischievous ways like a baby,instead of ever chastise em,never build him up like a man instead taught him n her daughter how 2 manipulate ppl
@@akerovitalis3451 what do u mean unnecessarily religious?
This describes my late father perfectly- he was so ashamed of impregnating my mother before marriage that he made her hide me until I was 17 months old! He was a deeply religious Catholic, going to Mass daily, & could never support his family of 8 children. He returned to his mother for meals long after he had children. My mother, then his 6 daughters became his "mothers". He never matured to be a strong, independent man & gambled in the hope of winning a large sum, though he just kept himself alive working as a pianist until the age of 89.
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@@akerovitalis3451 what a terrible sister/ daughter.
I lived once with a woman who had 2 daughters and a son named John. Her husband left the house the day I arrived to buy a pack of cigarettes and came back 20 years later to see the children. She was cruel to the daughters and the son could do no wrong. Last I heard John, the son, still lived with her at the age of 40.
@virginiabraden6849
The daughters got a better deal in a way. That son was groomed to be codependent.
@@bernadettesavage4786
I agree. The daughters went on to have good lives and poor John was her prisoner. It is better to be abused overtly because one can see it. The real tragedy with John was that what appeared to be love on the surface was actually a covert sadism.
@@virginiabraden6849 well said.
"son husbands"
In most cultures tho, the younger son lives with parents till they die.
Smart lady. Great interviewer. They don't make them like they used to.
They are unique individuals, no-one makes them at all, they make themselves, in cooperation with the Self :)
Im 23, lived at home last 6 yrs, graduating soon and moving out immediately. This really hit
Powerful - this explains so much
Balance is important. Me and my partner are very different, and I hope that gives our children a balance. It's not necessarily gender stereotypes, but one quiet thoughtful parent, and one energised fun parent, can allow children to play out all aspects of themselves.
She is great, Interviewer also first class.
very happy to have found this channel
I'm happy as well!
The mothers fears play havoc on the child’s own ability to accept and to doubt others intentions,parentifying and obsessing with the child can cause trauma in the seperation induvidualisation stages, make s schizoid personality
@@Saturntabbytype2 seriously?. How can someone know if the reason they have not individuated is due to the child's issue or if it's the mother's behaviour?
Holy shit. That made so much sense, my older brother (1st son of 3) just got recently diagnosed with schizoid personality, my father as well (genetics was our first guess on why both have) and I can say that my mother has nurtured a fear relationship and attachment, mostly with my older brother and a little with me
@@Paulathompson1712 i think everyone at one point in life is able to examine their self, some people never do it but some people just have mental clarity on some behaviors they have and when they examine themselves and the way they’ve grown up, 80% of the time they can blame their parents
@@Paulathompson1712It's a childs issue, produced by the behaviour of the mother.
Tomorrow I’m going to upload a video about Anima and Animus based on Von Franz's work. I don’t want to promote it since my audience is Spanish-speaking, but I’d love for the person who runs that channel to watch it. Best regards!
@@Filosofiaplay bro, for sure! I’d 100% check that out. comment back with the link whenever you upload, and I’ll pop in and watch ✌️ God Bless
Sounds good -- let us know when live. I'll be posting some more Jungian content as well, mostly in relation to poetry. I have one about dreams, Jung, and poetry. Quite the syncretism!
@@nathanhassallpoetry sure!
@@Filosofiaplay English subtitles would be great, though.
Sounds good!
Thank you for your talk
It's not just sons. It looks to be that my mother expressed aspects of this to her two daughters... She parentified me but usually coddled my sister. I understand that it's good to enforce safety/protection with children, but she'd purposefully tell us real horror stories at six years old to get her point across.
My sister and I couldn't do anything independantly from our mother or each other for quite a long time... I'm STILL getting used to things. I've barely learned a single thing about living on my own. Now, I've broken ties and am tryna find my own living space blindly.
Breaking the cycle of the "Son Husband" for these single mothers.
@@jelig72 👍👍👍
My goodness... This reminds me of a saying... " A MAN MARRIES HIS MOTHER "
That is the 2nd chapter in my Workbook. We all marry our parents because they are IN US. Archetypally we are born with predispositions and the birth chart can show you that. Our 4th (home/Mother) and our 10th (caeer/Father). This is why Jung was so into Astrology and his last books on Alchemy and AION, The Phenomenology of the Soul describe that the cosmos live inside us. As above, so below. We exteriorize all we don't know about our many selves as Shadow, Anima, Animus - complexes. Marie Louise VonFranz knew that. Her book on Alchemy is my favorite.
Gods work. This has the value of the world nay the whole universe. and I hope people will wake up to it. Thank you for sharing this
She makes Jung ideas les cryptic
I'm sharing this, absolutely brilliant ❤
This woman is kind of brilliant
This is incredible
This video was a mirror for me everything they talked about it what I’ve been doing
Does it encourage you to create new patterns for yourself?
Quite a few good insights!
The gift that keeps on giving.
Marilyn was such a sad story. I feel for her so much
I wish I would have been steeped in this stuff when I was younger. Not that I have had a problem with my own mother, but that this is what I should have been learning in school. I would have tried harder and maybe went to college.
Now is the time!
You still have potential waiting to manifest-not in the past, but in the future!
How old are you now?
@Jamluji 38.
I was told about that stuff when in high school, but I thought it was mumbo jumbo, I was more into science... I should have asked questions to the students who told me about that.
@@Longashe there’s more than enough time.
What’s wrong with just living? That’s where the spirit blossoms in my view. Thinking, analysing and intellectualising are what lead to paranoia and polarisation.
Humans are animal and spirit.
Technology has tricked us into thinking we’re not driven by our primal, animal instincts and Palaeolithic emotions - but we are. We’re born, weaned, socialised, educated, then kicked out of the nest. We then spread out, mate or pair up, reproduce, slow down, and die… just like most other creatures.
I appreciate this lady’s years of work but I think she needs a detox from academia and research to focus enjoy life’s pleasure.
Intellect and imagination can be fun but thinking is only one aspect of us. Life and the body have so much more to offer!
@@emilygunning2350 Exactly!Because the other end of the spectrum,the devouring father,leads to destruction!...look at our present world!
Wdym animals arent intellectuel beings like us we still got the brain , good luck with ignoring that its impossible @@emilygunning2350
I agree with you. That seems, ironically enough, a very German way of thinking.
Whats not said is that so called protective anxious mothers usually have very little care for the kids, behind closed doors. And way more concerned about looking 'good'.
wow split anima pretty much describes my life
Iv seen it in myself too.
I had to break free of this, and it's not easy. Mine was massively due to an abandonment complex bought on by my father leaving me as a child.
The devouring mother, in the case of mother and son at least, is hugely a shared fantasy, a sort of two way hero projection, the mother expects the son to live up to her expectations and he sees it as his responsibility/duty to do so, and in that they both feel validated by a false sense of meaning, the whole situation being a poor substitute to compensate for an impoverished inner world on both sides.
If the son has the urge to break free of this shadow side of the mother, if he feels the burden for what it really is, a seperatio must take place, and he must let that shadow projection die, he must resist the temptation of seduction back into that dynamic at all costs, and they can be huge, and it's imperative that he go onto and through the mortificatio stage to completely break the cycle.
Then comes the danger of the transference of that projection.
Individuate, get your life back. 🙏 ♥
"The hero must die". C.G.Jung.
Great ❤ Greetings from Georgia 🇬🇪 Thank you
With love. Just added Georgian subtitles for the full documentary for you, I hope it's more or less accurate :)
Thank you very much
I see this age of division has only developed since the interview. There're only extremes and no inbetweens, while simultaneously people think their ideology is in the fringes and the opposite one is the mainstream. Meanwhile, nobody in the big spheres is pushing for individuality and the development of the person.
Edinger once quoted Emerson saying: "As our Religion, our Education, our Art look abroad, so does our spirit of society. All men plume themselves on the improvement of society, and no man improves."
@@The_Jungian_Aion That's a very interesting take on the idea of individual vs group.
WOW!
How succinct
Hi Bambi! 💗
I’m surprised when I asked what society doesn’t have initiation rights that she didn’t say Western societies in modern times!
@@MsGaella we have had military conscription in most European countries that I believe served this purpose. I myself missed it and can see how it has benefited the men who has undergone it as, if just in part, an initiation into manhood - albeit lacking the sexual component.
That's what leave is for. @@theodorurhed
@@Grimenoughtomaketherobotcry leave?
@@theodorurhed It means a short term, day or weekend pass to leave the base for rest and recreation.
@@Grimenoughtomaketherobotcry ah now I see what you mean;P
Masterpiece 👏🏻👏🏻
"Men project their Anima on women, and that gives a woman tremendous power, why is it dangerous for a woman to 'identify' with that power?..."
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- Inertia
(A thought- Resources 'that can be stored' must be secured)
In India , one of the forms of the Divine is as Mother. Motherliness is hugely valued.
Are indian mothers motherly? Or domineering and strict? And the current state of indian men: Why does it seem so cringeworthy, why do I see it used as a meme here and there kinda often?
The story of Babaji, didn't his physicsa mother choke him or not? And he sought refuge in the divine, doing Dhyan, in Kriya Yoga? Correct me.
@@shobaneshwari she is talking about something else. Man growing up in shadow of a women and women growing up in shadow of a man.
You can see that in mummy's boy's who never leave their mother and never grows and hyper independent woman.
@Artlover2803 This didnt come across very clearly in her explanation. Also, ' hyperdependence' is quite subjective. Men being hyperdependent on other female figures and kowtowing to them also diminishes their personality. There is a tendency among some modern thinkers to deliberately undermine the role of the mother and undervalue the family of which the mother is one of the pillars.
Truly it affect man but also woman. When a mother is so controling that her daughter has 4 unwanted abortions just because her mother doesnt like her boyfriend, its bad. By the way they are from India.
wow this is great
Damn. Keeps it real.
I remember reading her book 10 years ago. After that I decided to break the dependency and go far away, never look back. I never talked to her after that. What a strange world!
How was it for you?
Please what's the name of her book?
Pure GEM 🤓💎 ❤
That’s a European thing. In my culture, we never separate from family, our whole lives. We live with grandmothers and grandfathers and children. Our job is to teach them ourselves, the way of our culture. With virtues like compassion, kindness, friendship, love, and togetherness. While getting them ready for a natural life connected to Mother Earth.
@ lol I won’t argue that it’s a waste of my time.
She is talking in different context
How does one grow out of being the son of a devouring mother
To grow beyond being the son of a controlling mother, a person needs to find their own identity. This means learning to step away from her strong influence and discovering who they are as an individual. For example, if someone always seeks their mother's approval before making decisions, they might start making choices on their own, even if it's uncomfortable at first. By doing this, they become more independent and grow into their true self.
@The_Jungian_Aion Thank you... I did this once.. earlier in life.. then discovered the hero's journey and went to hell and was redeemed by Christ. Lost everything, had to return to live with Mom post Bufo/Peyote ceremonies then realized I literally became re-emeshed and am starting all.over again at 41... I appreciate your feedback, it is in alignment with what I am working on. Being a only child and no other family has made it challenging. Though I am making headway
She has a book called The Problem of the Puer Aeternus that talks about it. What i got from it is basically just to commit to something (job, education, relationship, hobby, lifestyle, addiction etc.) over a long period of time through thick and thin. She also explains the Puer archetype has positive traits that are often squashed and repressed in forcing the maturation, there is the risk of becoming either ultra conformist or contrarian/pariah. Its hard to summarize a 300 page book in a yt comment so i would try to find it and read it if u can. I’m aware that James Hillman has a different take on it, but i’ve yet to read his book on it (Senex and Puer) but if its like his book on the Anima it should be an interestjng read
By being here, expressing interest in becoming conscious and asking questions I can tell that you will succeed! Just keep on walking the path, no matter how hard it may be.
@spicybeanburrito1002 Thank you! Yes, I have experienced the extremes already. Lol(funny not funny)
Aint no symbolic mother. Your biggest nurterer will become your greatest threat if you dont break that contact.
There is also a type that will shelter you and try to hold on to you and then resent you for not being independent when they discard you
May God help us heal, so we can grow freely and may God cut the omblicale cord between humans and the earthly father and mother spirit. So we can find balance and can at last see the potential in everyone and have respect for ourselves in Jesus name. Smart woman, God bless her. Thank you for sharing.
Got to love psychology. Wow. Just... Wow 😳 💯
Amen.
Saturn and Jupiter are currently at a square to each other and tensions are rising...2024.
Black American culture is matriarchal, for reference.
That's a good example.
Jewishness is transmitted by the mother.
And among Jews neurosis is a classic male trait superior to confidence. Confidence "chutzpah" is considered an affront
@@louis-vd3ur For some reason my comment about Jewishness is not displayed in this thread anymore, neither is yours, unless I click on notifications...
Google/Jewtube censorship is quite intense!
Not necessarily. Just listen to rap those guys have no respect for women calling them btchs and hoes then talking about violating women.
Please if anyone has any references to any books on this. This is so interesting.
Marie-Louise von Franz - The Problem Of The Puer Aeternus.
@The_Jungian_Aion recently, I have had random conversations with men. They just come up to me, lol. For example, I had a salesman in my house (bless him) he started telling me about him, MOTHER, in an not flattering way. He was holding angry back, not sure why he told me. This has happened a few times. Sometimes, I feel a deep hate to me coming from some types of males, for nothing. I have gone on a mission to understand instead of taking it to heart. This is so interesting because I'm seeing it play out in plain sight. I saw something in myself, I would put older women on a pedestal and feel sad when they behaved in a human way, nasty. lol, when I spotted that and took them off, I except them better and i dont take it personally. I'm thinking of knowledge for breakfast, please lol
I lived with my dad, and I noticed he loved me as his child, but he hated what I represented, I understand now I represented the feminine.
He tried to turn me into a boy. If I rebelled, he was emotional and mentally abused me.
I am happy you've decided to become more conscious and that it helps you look at your life from a more objective place. That is great and I hope that you will go on becoming more conscious and make the choices that are right for your growth, thank you for sharing!
@@The_Jungian_Aion an invitation
The part about the zeitgeist in relation to medieval art and the renaissance is the key here.
What crept in? Rational materialism, which is doubt in the mystical reality of life.
It manifests as prideful arrogance, believing we are all there is, we can know everything and we are ultimately alone. As a result we don’t search to honour the mysterious divine but to distract ourselves with knowable comforts and pleasures. At its core it’s Antichristian in nature, believing the knowledge of self is the knowledge of God. Thus mystery is banished to the shadow and humility becomes impossible: the fall from grace.
The anxiety talked about is the real and actual impending doom at the bottom of all rational materialism, hedonism: death. But this death anxiety is of the highest existential magnitude: extinction, apocalypse, eternal damnation. Paranoia is the natural state of the psyche that excludes the heart. It can’t live at all because it refuses to accept providence and goes about in a self servicing addiction cycle we consider life. It’s a delusion.
It’s not that we need to change how we live, but be changed miraculously. What is being asked inside this anxiety is impossible. It thus necessitates feelings of doom, futility, depression and finally: God.
What we have lost is God. Why else would we fail to comprehend love, exploit each other, cause global destruction and enslavement, live meaningless depressing existences of cold and bleak futility?
insightful
How might one begin to ask, what I guess to be correct in jungian terminology, 'shadow work' to know if this is present in our own behaviours, and to begin to understand oneself?
7:49 Holy crap i didn't realize this was what was going on for a long time with my first kids mom
This is such a dark topic for me i have always seen evil in my mother even though i admire a lot about her too. She was overbearing, she didn't keep food in the house even though she worked twelve hour shifts, night shifts while i was seven, with my uncle who had just been released from prison as a baby sitter. Their mother suicided while she was pregnant with me and she had nobody else but a free drunk convicts in her life, my male relatives, and i am an only child. She worked hard, stayed sober, but i was the one who fought all the dark dragons while she fought the one dragon that is poverty so that she could have her own trailer to hide her kid in while she worked. Not too put food on the table though. She had a car too. And i got Christmas gifts. But i got slapped across the mouth a lot. And if it bless she would cry for an hour and push me away when i tried to console her so i knew she wasn't crying for lack of me lol we kinda grew up together and i still live with her for a few days
What's that pic @1:00?
My issue is defining the ratio of princess:bitch (as Marie-Louise von Franz called these aspects of women) that is motivating enough to pursue. Maybe to add another dimension of Jung, extroverted princess and introverted bitch; a woman in possession of ruthlessly efficient ability dismantle and restructure her constellation of thorns so as to present soft petals - not as a distraction from her thorns - with sincerity and intentionality.
Defining the so-called "correct" ratio of princess-to-bitch is something that only you can determine for yourself. I think it varies from person-to-person, and it really depends on what you yourself want out of a relationship, or rather, what you are willing to deal with. In my case, one of the very FIRST things that I look for in ANY potential romantic partner, is self-awareness. Because if a person is AWARE of what their personality is like, then it at least gives them a starting point from which they can work on themselves to improve/regulate their own behaviour - or perhaps even "dismantle" and "restructure" it entirely, as you've suggested.
I’ve been trying to get away from my mom my whole life. After college after grad school after I failed in my late 20s and now after my business failed in my early 30s. Was raised by a single mom who I despised I guess but who I also loved since I have no siblings or a father. It’s strange to despise and love someone. And I guess I have arrested development. A real failure to launch. I want so badly to stand on my own but i’m not very good at life. I keep taking risks and then failing. Without my mom’s place to go back to I’d be homeless so not much of a choice…
Ironically I don’t think my mom was overbearing. She’s actually neglectful. We don’t get along or have anything in common. I feel sick when talking to her or spending time with her, but I also feel compelled to force communication with her since I have no one else in the world who loves me. So if I cut her off then I will really be thrown to the wolves and the world has proven to be more hostile than my mom ever was…
It is no small thing to love and despise the same person, for such opposites reside at the core of the human soul. Your struggle is not just with your mother, but with the part of yourself that still lives in her shadow. To step fully into your own life, you must reconcile this tension-acknowledge her neglect without denying your need for connection. Failure is often the soul's way of inviting us to look inward rather than outward for validation. The path to standing on your own begins not with escaping her, but with confronting and integrating what she represents within you. Only then will you find the freedom to live-not against her, but for yourself.
@ @ easier said than done I’m afraid. If I cannot find connection, success, or safety in the world, then my only logical choice is to find it with my mother despite that connection being painful and insufficient. At the end of the day I know my mom will not let me expire on the streets but I cannot say the same about friends, romantic partners, society, my employer, or my government.
In 32 years of living I have not found any solid ground in the world to stand on my own two feet. My mom is the only thing keeping me from complete destitution and societal destruction. For that I am grateful. But it’s just the lesser of two evils as neither her or the world give me space to thrive.
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I grew up without a mother or really without any adult female influence and I still have these dependency problems?
The archetype is always in the psyche, and when it can't manifest in the world as well it remains in the unconscious and live there while projecting itself outwardly, usually in ways that are destructive. Check out some of Robert Moores lectures, this one for example: th-cam.com/video/4Zja82Ue8ZI/w-d-xo.html.
In my conception of this, on a higher "tier" so to speak, the culture/trends and other external systems of "Safety" reflect the Mother archetype.
The Mother is The World. She's also Nature (Mother Nature eh?). Thus she becomes The Home. Scale that down. What is Your World?
@1:58 She says "I ONCE READ A BOOK ABOUT..." // Ya'll, I'm a Jungian, but what she says here is WHY YOU NEED TO BE VERY CAREFUL WITH JUNGIANISM. Many of their thoughts on societies they call primitive are based on the writings of others, not their own observations.
So when she's describing this South American tribe...how in the hell does she know any of that? When you read how absolutely and utterly wrong many 19th century anthropologists were you HAVE TO take what is being said with a giant grain of salt. Many of them simply made sh1t up.
The Jungians are BASICALLY right about a lot of things but just realize that you need to dig into source material even more, including maybe VISITING some of the tribes they're talking about. Like...those tribes likely didn't go away, they still exist and you can actually just talk to them.
Jung admired Levy Bruhl, "The Soul of the Primitive." If you can find it. Macmillan, 1928.
Jung himself visited many tribes..
Well of course. That is actually the question of Whiteness. Who is looking and decides what's primitive? Why differentiate between them out there in the jungle and them in European cities? Yet she goes on to then unify everyone under a "we" regarding nuclear war. That's Whiteness separating itself and in a sweeping move, unifying everyone else under an imposed "we"/universality.
I agree and just to add on to your perspective, just like many paths of truth or self discovery, they only act as guides, the rest is left for the "initiate" to work it out, the whole journey by itself is very personal- The Maa people from Kenya have a rite of passage for young boys that included fighting a lion among other things- this are general but if you talk to the initiate you will discover their experience from boys to men is far from identical despite having gone through a uniform rite of passage.
Its not about this tribe or that, its about what tribes do as common practice. Generalization or learning from a good source is mot fake information
And yes as men we need guidance here in this world of form that is seducing us …
How can one know if their failure to individuate is due to "mother issues" or because the child was perhaps disordered??
Is there a father equivalent video?
Nope. The father can be the symbolic mother as well.
@@The_Jungian_Aion Excuse me but what do you mean?
@@franjk7114 A father can mother and a mother can father, it depends on their personality. Both male and female have masculine and feminine aspects.
6:30 sobre el "anima" -en este ejemplo explica que los hombres se enamoran del "anima" de la mujer pero esto le frustra porque no es su ser intrinseco u da de ejemplo a Marilyn Monroe
What wonderful content. Thanks so much. Fat happy soulless and satiated. Bound and stifled in front of the demoness. Failed, (Or uncannily unrecognized in process), heeding of the warning of self annihilation?!
Reminds me of a lesser known kabbalistic work wherein the author points to Deity propelling man from his would be psychic demise via violent internal and external upheavals (eg the purpose of apparent ‘evil’). Love it!
You're welcome Zack!
Care to share the name of the text friend? Interesting that Kabbalah texts have started to pop up in my own research and I'd like to learn more.
That work is: “The cipher of Genesis.” (Suaerz, Carlos)
to sum it up, don't simpin man
Where can i get a video where mother is dependent on son for emotional needs?
"is there any society where they stay in the dependency of the mother" aah yeahh?? our modern city society which is most people worldwide
Can someone help with the music played in between!
From what she is saying, I identify with being a woman who plays the anima but it is not something conscious. How could i change and be my authentic self ? It is very hard to do for me. I do not want to end up miserable and alone
For gaining the wisdom you'll need to study deeply while examining your daily experience and reflecting. You can do it.
@@lizamorina5531 Hmm...maybe trust that you are enough. That you already are a whole powerful person with no need of subterfuge.
Self-Interrogation as a means to build Self-awareness is the best first step imo.
You need to review and find how you help men (I'm assuming) Define themselves.
What are the repeated situations that you find yourself in that trigger your transformation into this Anima?
Where in those moments do you notice you are being less Yourself and more a vehicle, a canvass?
Just face it when you feel bad for a man , when you try to be the center of their attention just that moment be self conscious and ask yourself why i am doing this
Once she mentioned Jupiter and Saturn that’s when I knew she KNOWS. Everything she speaks of is from astrology ❤
Many sided to what is.
@@The_Jungian_Aion the occult & spiritual side. 4th dimension, time travel & occultism ..
It's ok dude, you'll be ok when mom passes away due to old age. You can then start finding a wife and making a family when you're 70.
2:10 Now wait a moment! Where have I seen this... 😄🤣🤔
I don't think there's always an absolutism of what is right and wrong. My sister and me were raised by a single mom and who has been the victim of such gross and horrible matriarchal beliefs and systems in place. I have grown to idolize my mother and I do know she's sometimes as imperfect as anyone else but I can't imagine even a single man or even men put together who I know could possibly endure and do all the heavy lifting she's done in raising us. I have grown to respect and understand the feminine nature more and embody what a man gotta be, I do feel chivalry in its true sense seems so dead. It's all about either simps and most folks in this comment section bitching about how wrong of it is for a man to be close to a mother and love her. I've seen my friends with a so called seemingly fairly stable upbringing not caring for their mother, not honoring and acknowledging her struggles the right way and just invalidating and feeling too ashamed to care for her and talk to her and understand her. It's the toxic masculinity all around. There's always a balance needed. A man wouldn't be man that is a leader, that is important to society if he isn't in touch with his feminine side and that is only embraced and learnt by being around mothers and sisters.
Anything about identity and feeling like ur parent etc
It's complicated.
Think of Berlioz chasing that singer to the point of almost killing another man. After enough rejections, she at last consented to be his wife. He was miserable ever after.
Sometimes the relentless pursuit of a dream reveals its shadow. Berlioz’s story reminds us that what we chase obsessively can imprison us, turning desire into despair.
@@The_Jungian_Aion I wish the interviewer had followed up and asked how a man is to see past that hallucination to the real woman. Further, I think this problem of falling in love with an illusion is just a subset of a larger problem of not seeing one another properly. I wish I had done the interview instead of that guy.
This is an interesting channel. I read Puer Aeternus years ago and it is one of my favorite books. I never imagined I would be watching interview clips of her. They just popped up in my suggestions.
Fascinating! When was this video filmed?
Publish in 1988, took around 5 years to make.
@@The_Jungian_Aion thanks for sharing!
What about her anima? And animus?
That's the fourth function, the inferior, both aspirational and projective. The door to the unconscious...
02:10 Unintentionally describing contemporary Western society in the 21st century.
never big into the psychi, but she explains so much today. in a way, predicted the porn/of world
12:30 nobody agrees on anything anymore.
Maybe I'm wrong but when he talks about institutions, economy etc. he seems to believe it all is related with a mother figure when now it is perfectly clear that all of that obay to a patriarcal model, not the devouring mother but another arquetipo
@@MariaMoralesZ Not sure if this is on the same lines you're speaking yet when the interviewer mentioned institutions being like 'the mother' it implied blame. When we know men created the institutions and were often women weren't even allowed to attend. Agree with so much she said yet that "blame" he implied is the misogyny whispering.
The archetypal realm is complex, and while patriarchal forces dominate many systems, both the Mother and Father archetypes can be active in different ways. The Mother may manifest as a hidden or complementary force, even within the patriarchal structures you describe.
Every aspect of human life including spheres of influence is tied to both the masculine and the feminine energies at varying degrees-
With the exception of military service after college, most of the first 30+ years of my life were spent in female dominated institutions, even my graduate program in stats was woman-dominated. I had very few male influences growing up and dads work was just a black box. (Anecdotally, whenever I hear a male professor around my age, 40, they’re super lispy and passive aggressive).
We wouldn't be using the word Patriarchy so often if it wasn't for women. It is a scapegoat for the underlying power that women have always possessed. It's easy to put the blame on men for the way the world has gone downhill.
It is true, the Christian morality has led us to idealize women, associating them with beatitude. At the same time, we have repressed sexual instincts and projected them outward through pornography, as we could not reconcile both images: the woman as mother and beauty, and the so-called dirty sexuality. Hence the need to observe thought without judgment, to free oneself from this duality and see things as they truly are.
Consciously containing the opposites, that is the way.
I need Theo Von to travel in time to interview this lady 😂
And you thought Rand was tough...
The dependency on the mother is exaggerated. Artaud said it best some of us don't got no mommy or daddy problems. I noticed women typically like to emphasize the importance of the mother too much because they typically are mother themselves. I think the generation suffers tremendously from this dependency. I think parents must learn to detached from there kids otherwise they will not make there strong enough to survive in today's world.
@@abrahamgomez653 No, actually the ones who are detached from parents, who doesn’t have a mother watching over them, are the ones who suffer the most.
Moms are pressured to create independent children even in infancy, go back to work after 3 months, sleep train, independent play, etc. Then there's this clinging on later in teen years..
Don't produce kids and sci-tech sectors should come with industrially produced humans. Nature has wired women and men brains as the creator and product will always be attached to another. If you don't want to suffer, then avoid being in conditions to fall in love.
@@avbhinayai try to not but it’s really hard as animal instinct take over and the cycle in woman doesn’t help because you have strong need for finding a mate despite what ur brain says, your body doesn’t think the same
lol maybe just maybe we are okay!
Fathers can be like this
Yes. Was it in your case?
15:00 on Christimas eve Jupiter will be square to Saturn