There is no World Outside Consciousness
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 11 ก.ย. 2024
- A discussion about the intersubjective agreement.
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In other words, the five senses are not there for us to perceive reality, but to create the appearance of it.
beautifully said
Well said
How fascinating
Awareness is the appearance of the objects and the senses, it is the only reality.
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Rupert’s a trip man. He’s like the Einstein of non-duality.
He learned from Frances Lucille that learned from Allan Watts that learned from Jiddu Krishnamurti.
But yes, Rupert is a trip 🙏
@@RealidadeDaTerra wasn’t it John Klein?
@@akhileshmagal : yes from The teachings of Jean Klein
Johnny Little: I did not like the expression " He's like Einstein of Non duality ". .I oppose
@@terefefeyssa877 feel free to stand in opposition to whatever you like. If this does it for you, great 👍🏼
Amazing clarity Rupert put out in his teaching for us is absolutely incredible! THANK YOU!!!
I have seen many artists making statements that clearly can be interpreted in a spiritual sense. However even after contacting them they admitted that weren't conscious of such an interpretation. Artists seem to be able to create those statements from within without even understanding it themselves.
Woow!I've been noticing the same thing with some of the lyrics in songs i write without being conscious of the interpretation until after reading it back.Amazing.
direct experience is needed
Yah like what Roger Waters did in dark side of the moon.
indeed becuase for the most part things are playing out subconsciously not consciously for most people
Is there anyone more worthy of attention than Rupert Spira? I think not. Exquisite articulations of infinite truth.
Eckhart Tolle
When you look what is online you will find many, many teachers. Mooji is quite famous for instance (direct path - self inquiry) but I started with Eckhart Tolle back then. Eventually Eckhart doesn't really go deep to the core of spirituality, at least with his audience. Rupert addresses more questions. All of them are unique though. We need as many masters as possible so that every temper is served efficiently.
Though this is not a complete list...Amma the hugging Saint, Paramahansa Yogananda, Karunamayi, Bentinho Massaro, Matt Kahn, Joel Goldsmith, Peace Pilgrin. Adyashanti., Robert Adams, Nisargatta....
Terrance McKenna
yourself haha
Rupert really does makes a lot of sense, in such a limited context.
+nilma99
Just like poetry or artistry.
Beautiful. Thanks, Questioner and Rupert ❤🙏
Amazing.Just Amazing. Thank you.
Many thanks to whoever asked the question(s). And of course, Rupert!!
What he means is that our entire Being universe is made of of 6 things in different combinations. It’s not the outer world or anything that is speaking but your combination of senses that’s reading, interpreting that we take for understanding. As the senses get back in balance you could say is rather optimal. Here is the correct level of attribution of senses;
Smell = 1/2
Sight = 1/4
Thought = 1/8
Hearing = 1/16
Taste =1/32
Touch = 1/64
The "nothingness" of this universe has always existed and is all there is - it's consciousness. Like a qubit it can be 1 or 0 or anything inbetween - the universe is a quantum computer and there is no physical matter (like in a computer game or a dream - it's not real). All thats real is pure consciousness.
We all share the same consciousness, we are all one, we are all God.
Love this!
"""Do not try and bend the spoon, that's impossible. Instead,
only try to realize the truth...there is no spoon...What truth ?
Then you will see it is not the spoon that bends, it is only yourself."""
@Al Garnier
Cucu ???
@Al Garnier ???
@Al Garnier ok
These apparently incomprehensible words from the Matrix are clear now and make perfect sense...thanks for reminding them to us !!
@@bildencarlia6924
Exactly....when I saw the movie
in 1999...I couldn't understand
what was the meaning of the
spoon....but now it's totally
different.
Now I can't understand @Al Garnier
because of the language 😅😅😅😅
Amen
There's no world other than consciousness' take on itself.
Our brain makes us being able to slow time, along consciousness makes us aware of things.
Without those, nothing.
Dude this burns my soul if there is.
there is no time only the illusion of time
so, "awakening" is knowing there is no world, time or space that it is all projected by awareness ?
That is a symptom of awakening. Awakening is to break the identity to body and mind, finding yourself as absolute consciousness being the observer of body, mind and experience.
@@klarissa726... but then to know that consciousness constitutes all that seems to be.
@@sandycarter5300 From what I understand now is that awakening is just happening to every conscious being, no matter on what stage. That is something we are doing all the time, sth. we cant avoid. But only spiritual people are so aware of this category of being that they use a word for it in that sense. Schopenhauer talked about this too.
@@klarissa726 The "picture" is that of "beings" in an awakening process, but there aren't actually individual lives or entities. Impersonal consciousness is awakening from its' dream of being embodied as countless beings, places, conditions, etc. It's all only data, and the data appears to be embodied.
Consciousness was never fractured into selves and lives and minds. The one impersonal belief in objectivity is the "culprit" as it posits subjects and objects, self and other. It is all imagined. There's no way to know anything outside of "knowing", but what we imagine we experience is false knowing. What this false knowing claims is not true. There never is a body/mind. There never is intelligent matter. (The atom is empty space.) This is a virtual reality. Reality is formless, indivisible, whole, perfect. It is the divine. Being is indivisibly one. This virtual reality can be compared to being "plugged into" the Matrix.
Instead of a Neo plugged in, it is consciousness that is plugged in. No one is ever in the Matrix.
What this means is that nothing exists if we don't experience it? it's like thinking that the sun revolves around the earth, or that flowers don't exist without us, which is actually quite an egocentric point of view.
That's not what he is saying. He is saying that no thing exists as an independent object. It exists as consciousness.
We have no means to truly know that a flower exists. All we can know is the experience of our own knowing... what follows is inference.
Quite right. I think we can even go as far as saying that we can now that the flower does not exist.
So steadily, reliably right on. Lovely :)
~♥~
And consciousness is a product of the split mind, and is the domain of the perceiver.
Well said
this is so true noting is outside of you
if something is showing up outside of you
then it something that unhealed within you that need healing
and once it disolved within you it no longer going to shows up in your 3d experence
becuase it was within you all the time
my laptop is in consciousness, it is not outside of myself as object it's just my mind that sees it. It's quiet meaningless to ghosts.
Beauty will save the world.
Philosophy of Immanuel Kant was made around this problem.
It trapes you rather than set you free
A lot of nondual teacher seem to confuse epistemology with ontology. In a practical sense, yes, there is only consciousness. Consciousness is the only thing that can be known directly. The world outside consciousness is inferred. That there is a world outside of consciousness can never be verified, however. Not being able to know whether or not something exists is not the same as knowing that something doesn't exist.
Shakespeare's writings, it is said, were authored by le Compte de Saint Germain , a highly advanced spiritual adept who did not age.
He's just trying to shaft his florist. "There are no flowers, there is only seeing and smelling, so I can't pay for them."
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Consciousness is associated with “Thinking” and is independent of “Thinking”.
This thought is understood only by Consciousness.
please talk more on awareness.
i'd have liked the analysis to go a little further and address the practical implications of the teaching.
In my understanding the narrative goes like this: perceiving exists because of 'things' to be perceived/ sensed. Attention is drawn to objects because they are [awareness has them]. 'Flower' is a mind created label for the qualities/structure of this particular object perceived. We only can be certain of seeing/knowing but not of the object of it. The seer and the seen are one, undifferentiated in consciousness. There is no seer and no seen but only consciousness. This seems to be where the conclusion lands every time- nowhere, in nothingness...
Then the thought arises- what are we talking about and who's talking and why... is anything happening, who am i, what's my name? It looks like a dead end but regardless whether those questions are answered or not i then return to the flower and not to the rotten potato next to it, and smell it instead of eating it. Then another thought arises- what makes me distinguish between the two and take one action and not the other? It is my mind that enables survival of this body but then the mind [which doesn't exist other than thought] is also awareness, the same as the nose that smells the flower and the brain that converts the sensation and... here we go again...
and then move to the next analysis [that leads to the same conclusion and questions and... so on and on and on...]. Is this life?!
+Dan eM "This seems to be where the conclusion lands every time- nowhere, in nothingness..." I'm curious as to why you conclude this. If by "nowhere" you means no location in space and by "nothingness" you mean no-thing (object)-ness I would agree, but I think you are referring more to it being a void. If all experience is made of it, how can it be a void?
As far as distinctions/preferences go, there are a couple of different things at play. A body has certain built in attractions and detractions for it's survival of course. Nobody is attracted by the smell or sight putrid food because the body knows it isn't good for it. But think about a foods lutefisk or a strong blue cheese, etc. that many are repelled by but some are attracted to because of culture, etc.
Perhaps think of things from the perspective of being in a sleeping dream. Consider closely the things you've mentioned having taken place in your dream state rather than waking state. Are they external from you? No. Is the experience of smelling a flower different in the dream state different than the waking state?
+saidas108 i wasn't referring to a void...
the problem with these discussions is the inconsistency of the discourse, i.e. moving back and forth between the dogmatic non-duality and concessions to the body-mind in analyses like the one in this video. i hear teachers often mentioning concessions in language, made to the person/ego/body-mind, and wonder whether they mean concessions to the corporate human body-mind [including their own awakened one] or to the body-mind of a particular student only.
i assume that very few bodies/minds in the environment of the modern society can live as pure consciousness and the majority of us have to make concessions not only in discourse but in the practical living of life with all its illusions [these are the concessions that we accept as relative reality although we know they are not true...].
You say "Nobody is attracted by..." there's nobody to be attracted or repulsed by anything because there're no bodies and no things; all there is, is consciousness that has no qualities of liking or disliking stuff. To be attracted to... or repulsed by... needs a body as a subject and a thing as an object, which exists only as illusions and as concessions to the 'practical' life. Is there a body, is there a flower, is there anything other than sensing that happens, as consciousness? i mean, following this logic that seems to have no flaws, everything converges into silence where there's nothing more to say and yet i have to get back to concessions and live with them most of the time...
Dan eM "This seems to be where the conclusion lands every time- nowhere, in nothingness..."
This is what lead me to conclude you meant void..."nowhere and nothingness" which is the definition of "void". :) Awareness is quite the opposite in fact in being Fullness..no lack.
You seem to be going in and out of Advaita thought and make it unnecessarily cumbersome with Advaita speak ala "there's nobody to be attracted or repulsed..."
The "concessions to speech" you referred to are using any words at all. "Neti neti" (not this not this) applies here. You can only say what Awareness is not, not what it is because every thought and word is not it. I think people would benefit from seeing the irony in intellectualizing Advaita.
+saidas108 look at that- the Advaita police caught me using the intellect and now i am on the hall of shame, for all to see and learn.... If you know another way to communicate without the use of the intellect, great but for the majority of the mortals this is how it works and i'm not going to defend that.
i don't think you paid enough attention to what i said, i.e. it is Rupert's discourse that seems to be going in and out of Advaita and would have liked some further clarification on the need for concessions made to the body-mind living in a world that is inside consciousness. i simply attempted paraphrasing in a summary what i understood from the message, highlighting the ambiguity of it and questioning on whose behalf and how concessions needed to be made without compromising the essence of the teaching.
Dan eM No need for that Dan. I wasn't trying to be offensive. Nuances and even direct meaning are often difficult to communicate online.
I wasn't be critical of using the intellect as it is quite necessary for most of us...a thorn to remove a thorn. I was just pointing out the tendency many have to intellectualize Advaita (figuring it out/understanding it) which you must admit, is rather ridiculous in perspective.
Perhaps you can elaborate a bit more on what you mean by "concessions" you referred to. I've mostly heard Rupert use the word in reference to the to limitations of words in discussing Advaita. I'm not sure what you mean by "concessions made to living in the body-mind world".
how does he sleep
In what does it prove that the intersubjective agreement is wrong ?
What says Rupert (the shared consciousness) seems to me as an assessment, a conclusion too quickly drawn !
Don't we touch here the limits of the "only-subjective" consideration, which conducts to a new religion : the non-dual religion ?
Yes, what Rupert says most of the time is true, from a SUBJECTIVE point of view (i.e. from the point of view of my consciousness), but I don't see why BOTH views (subjective AND objective) wouldn't be true. For example : there is a flower made of matter, even if I never really experiment it as such. It would explain equally the fact that we share a same field of perceptions, no ?
+Tr3s Lunas following
+Tr3s Lunas It sure would. But is there really a flower made of matter? Can you affirm its existence? No problem in communicating that way, with an objective approach. Otherwise we would always be "meta-communicating". But to attain the reality of the flower is impossible. There is seeing. The object is the name we give it for communication purposes, for organizing the information that appears in consciousness.
+AllanZi
Is there really NOT a flower made of matter TOO ? Can you affirm its NON-existence ON ITS OWN ?
You can't.
If you leave a room with a chair, the chair doesn't exist any more for you, but still exists for anyone else who enters the room. Ok, to explain that, you can say like Rupert "the shared world is evidence of the shared consciousness", but where is the proof of that ? It stays just an hypothesis. Another belief.
You are free to choose for yourself the belief system you want, but you can't affirm that the non-dual vision is the only credible or possible truth, otherwise you become the priest of a new religion.
The mind likes to always oppose things : "duality" against "non-duality" in that case. But why ? Why wouldn't both be good ? An appearance of duality in nonduality AND an appearance of non-duality in duality.
+Tr3s Lunas So many times in my life I have stood looking at a space I am familiar with and knowing absolutely for myself that it was not there. That there are no things, no time, no space. My visual field remained and I functioned as always, although I made no choices, I was breathed and I knew there was nothing there, just an infinite blank screen. This is my experience. It was blissful each time. A Teacher told me that I must trust my subtle perception to realize and actualize mySelf. So I do.
+claysu1 Thank you. You speak of awakening and it is beautiful. I do believe in that and I am longing for that too (I only had glimpses). That's not what I interrogate. I just ask myself what is the part of interpretation that is made afterwards in trying to explain, speak about and communicate from that "place". It must be so hard to share that !
What you live is true, but how can you be sure that it is not "just" a change of perception from you ? In what your experience puts an end to a world of matter ?
Even if you feel that all is One now, that there is no more separation for you, why couldn't it be only an appearance or an impression FOR YOU - ONLY ? That is : you feel One, but there is always Two ?
That's what makes me skeptical now about pure non-duality.
But I absolutely admit that these interrogations can only be the questions of a separate self, and if I lived what you live, perhaps would it be as clear for me as it is for you... (and I surely would be so happy that I wouldn't care anymore of that :-D ) Nevertheless I still have not found someone who can make that clear for me.
Words have no meaning or basis in actual truth they only can have true value people can find ways to justify any action no matter how evil you can't trust people by what they think or say...only by what they do never fear what another person says for fear is only false evidence appearing real
so there is no flower? what about the earth before there were any eyes or ears or bodies to encounter it? Are we saying it wasn't there? I love Rupert but this particular subject is hard for me to understand. I realize that we only experience things with our sense perceptions but that doesn't seem to be a reason to believe that matter doesn't exist. It seems like there's a very good chance matter indeed does exist. It's very possible that we are completely surrounded by matter. I would love anyone's help in clearing this up for me.
Seen another say to that there has always been an eternal observer, God.
Your senses exist beyond this body... .. . If you never heard about Earth as a soul, you can't incarnate there can you... .. . But the Earth itself is a living consciousness concept... .. . LOL
@@2donnyblack2 Wow. Thats quite a model you got there
@@darrenfromla Research OBE's, Out of Body experiences... .. . Try to have one, WITHOUT drugs obviously... .. . There you will get all your answers... .. .
Monroeinstitute has a channel here on youtube... .. .
Thank me later... .. .
@@2donnyblack2 there’s no answers. Just experiences.
Where is consciousness?
Does consciousness live in my head as me and projects a world out of my eyes? I don't really get it.
Imagine nothing exists, but a formless state of being without any dimensions which (one drop of water from the ocean) enters a virtual reality body like suit that has 5 senses within which the world, the universe is projected. Once that formless" being" enters that virtual reality it forgets that it is in fact this formless single infinite being that is omnipresent, but now believes that it is human in a 3D world that actually sees, touches, feels, smells, hears and that objects are real. It even believes that the illusory body that it is experiencing the world through is real, and that it has a brain and that consciousness is generated by that brain. If it could remember that it is in fact this other formless conscious being, it would not confuse itself with the illusory virtual reality. Put another way, there is no body, no brain, no one (you the person body) thinking that there is a consciousness living in your head (no head!). there is a false perception. There only exists "consciousness" which is experiencing a virtual reality show in a sense which it has been created as a means to experience the finite world. Your purpose, if any, is to wake up and realize that you are not this body and that this world is just an illusory virtual reality....re-gain that awareness of who you really are - that is enlightenment. "Be in the world, but not of it." Paramahansa Yogananda. We see the world only through the limited prism of the mind, we do not see the whole picture, so we misinterpret what we are experiencing. You are not a drop in the ocean, you are the entire ocean, in a drop.
@@ommeditationmind1554 thank you! Did you read a book by Michael Newton "Journey of Souls"? If yes, what do you think about this book? Thank you!
@@ommeditationmind1554 Excellent!!! Expressed so well! What a good surprise to find this comment!
@@ommeditationmind1554 beyond mind, need to say it again..absolutely Love this comment. So rare to find this clarity...anywhere.
@@sandycarter5300 Thank You. Only Conciousness speaking to consciousness!
There is no consciousness
Not in you obviously :D
@@2donnyblack2 what's a "YOU"
@@gladman9634 A concept we made up within consciousness... .. . As all words are made up... .. . Words have no meaning, we gave it the meaning... .. .
@@2donnyblack2 in that case the word consciousness applies to the same "rules"
@@gladman9634 -_- Kinda maybe sorta... .. .
The title is not true.
It is
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The questioner basically read his books or watched his videos and just parroted back to Rupert, his own style. Haha
The physical world and reality exists. We can show in other ways such as how a brain can stop working yet the rest of the physical body can still be alive, such as someone alive on a life support machine. Matter over mind.
Im sorry but the idea that there is nothing "out there" is incoherent. He's basing his whole philosophical on a mistake: Just because we cant really know if there is an external world because we're trying to rigorous adhere to the principles of epistemology because we are trapped by subjectivity, that has nothing to do with the ontology of the external world
_"m sorry but the idea that there is nothing "out there" is incoherent."_
Everything you experience comes thru the agency of the mind...everything. The entire world becomes the contents of the mind. No mind...no world. All mind is an inner experience...all the world is known by the mind and is therefore an exclusive inner experience. Period.
@Icy_cool "Period" at the end. of my reply is the equivalent to Q.ED...there's no "ands", "ifs" or "buts"...
Sorry...
@Icy_cool Declare your ontology. Define...(apart from the sterile dictionary's definition) the word *_existence._*
We'll wait...
@Icy_cool questions have question marks. Try telling the people of Yemen that your definition of existence is irrefutable. They're being fucked up by Israel co.pliments Trump's foreign policy. Trump's love for the greatness of the U.S is existence bro??...you usually kid yourself like this all the time??...
@Icy_cool The love you talk of is all rhetoric and you cannot point at its source or origin.
_"how do I get a glimpse of this one mind, when I had anaesthesia my Consciousness went black void please explain that"_
If YOU thought this was *THE* question of the century, sorry to disappoint you.
Even if you're NOT under anaesthesia, how do you propose to view The One Mind??. What's your reference point for viewing this One mind??.
Anaesthesia is a cop out if you have no idea even when you're aware and kickin'...no??...
There is only sitting on a f###ing chair
Rupert has no idea what is or isn't outside of consciousness
Negative
Lies!
god here again
i am the i in Calculus!
i am the i in je suis!