Cheaters Are Evolving
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 มิ.ย. 2024
- Episode 14 of the Caro Kann Versus Everything speedrun goes into an advance variation of the Caro Kann Defense where my opponent turns out to clearly be cheating after thorough investigation..
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0:00 Teaser
0:14 Game Starts
28.07 Game Analysis Starts
51:00 Cheating Investigation Begins...
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My opponent from this video has now been banned :)
There is a Tanmayrajput12 in there tho :D
You suck at chess, you’re cheating yourself. 🤣
What we on about?😂
Cheaters play dumb moves to lower their accuracy. Then later in the game they come back and rip your heart out. They want to avoid the high accuracy games. He has probably been caught before and just made a new account. There is no way around it. All it really takes is a move or two in critical positions to get the win. They don't cheat on every move. They have learned and evolved! If you look at his account he has just lost like 20 games in a row!🤣
It's even more hilarious when they get totally winning postion, start playing on their own and stalemate - happened to many streamers in the past. Also spending 8-10 seconds when they have one legal move is always funny.
Yeah it makes it way harder to catch I guess, so so annoying
Only a cheater knows a cheater?
@@MiniProfides You follow enough rating climbs you gonna see one of couple patterns with cheaters: plays every move according to engine, gets losing position then turns on the engine or gets winning position and starts playing on their own.
@@mariuszpudzianowski8400 well I think I was the first one to talk about it. Chester's getting smarter. And yet, smarter for what? There is no gains if there is no money prizes. Just a big stupidity of wasting your time and theirs. But again, what is chess about? Isn't chess a waste of time?
Dude he played every move without even taking 2 seconds. Obviously cheating. His moves were soulless .
Literally, u can tell when there's just completely unemotional moves
@@ChessCenturion That's one of the first things that make me suspicious of my opponent - no matter how many threats I make or how complicated the lines get, they don't seem to be bothered. To be honest, some people DO have nerves of steel or just don't see the threats lmao.
@@ChessCenturion I usually play against bots a lot. And he was playing like one. That's why I said that.
Computers really do have a unique playing style
@@ChessCenturion yeah. At one point he started to play like one.
I have a small trick to avoid potential cheaters: check when your opponent’s account was created, if less than 1 year ago - probably cheater or smurf, but it works on 1500+ elo
No games against new accounts, no rematches against anyone. Two basics I stick to in online chess which save me a lot of wasted time.
or just religiously play 1 0 lightning/bullet .. if you run into a cheater there, its expected to be a clock cheat not an engine cheat, and they get detected and banned automatically after enough occurrences over some threshold
Yep, I normally do the same but just forgot here lmao
wait.. the rudraksh guy is most likely friends with the tanmayrajput and they are versing each other to get some losses in, i reckon that if you check their games together they won't have insanely high accuracy on those. the difference of playing each other rather than strangers to lose is that if they play each other its much safer because it doesn't risk the stranger potentially reporting them because thats how cheaters are caught over time, its due to various reports, but if they play with each other they negate that risk and make their accounts seem normal while also lengthening the amount of games they have on the accounts to make it look more normal rather than just 4 games in total with 95/96% accuracy in all 4 of them.
important to notice that instead of being friends maybe its 1 guy with 2 accounts because if you notice the rudraksh account is higher rated and tanmayrajput lost all of those games against rudraksh so maybe rudrakksh is his main account which would make sense because he is higher rated than tanmayrajput so maybe he is prioritizing his elo onto the rudraksh account, in the video we also saw that the rudraksh account is older than tanmayrajput so that reinforces my point of being 1 person with 2 accounts and rudraksh is their main
note: they are also both from india, coincidence?
Pretty sure it's the same guy with 2 accounts boosting himself
One of the reasons I don't take online too seriously anymore... In person is more rewarding even if it's only against friends and family
cheating at chess is just cheating yourself.
Yupp
i think recently since 2020 or even before chess became very popular because of streaming and popular competitive online games tend to attract cheaters sadly. even the biggest triple a video game companies cant seem to solve the cheating problem so sadly cheaters are just something we will have to live with in online chess for the foreseeable future :(
Sounds pretty spot on to me, at least they're clearly trying to stop it
I am 2100 blitz and vsed a 900 elo cheater a few days ago, it was so sad
Just don't understand it
I played a guy like this the other day, except he had games under he had lost over the last few weeks, but played above the clock and played at 97. something accuracy, it was insane
Just no effort to hide anything at all
This pawn sacrifice has actually been played before, lichess shows a game from '93 - idea is: Nb5, Bf4 attacking the knight and targeting the c7 square. It's not amazing for white but interesting.
Just seems like it won't work as Ng6 has tempo or Nc6 prepares e5 to block the diagonal, funny that it's been played before tho
It's an interesting sac, but c3 makes no sense with it. If white plays c4 instead it's actually good.
@@eriksteffahn6172 Yeah, cheater was obviously trying to make some suboptimal moves to avoid getting caught. Didn't help though.
Taking 5 seconds a move and playing perfectly is a little suspect to say the least 😂
It is only fun to play at a high rating if you understand the games. No one would be impressed by your chess rating if you could easily discern their cheating with a Quick Look on their profile. This means that the guy does it to purely boost his ego which is weird when you cheated you way there. Playing at that level without cheating would just mean getting crushed 10/10 times which isn’t fun
Exactly, bro probably doesn't even know how he won
@4:38 you consider different moves where Qb5, Nf6, e6 are mentioned as candidates. In such positions, especially if you are material up and prefer a safe way forrward (useful in blitz and rapid); as a rule of thumb, always look for moves that probably can't be avoided without serious concessions. In that position (4:38), after white recaptures on d4, I would say that e6 can not really be avoided, because e5 is not realistical. e6 also allows the f8-bishop to develop, and the knight can develop via either Nf6, or Ne7-c6 (or to f5). The f8 bishop should probably not go to g7, as that would require the additional g6 move as a preparation, losing time and making the already weak e5 square more critical later on. Given the above reasoning, I would appreciate being a pawn up and prioritize safety for the king and rapid development. My first move would be e6, no doubt, followed by developing the f8-bishop to d6 blunting whites f4 bishop in the process. I would then follow up with Knight to e7 and to c6 to put pressure on the pawn on d4, that can no longer be defended by a pawn (a big bonus). I would then castle king to safety and starting to focus on the pawn on d4. My queen would probably eventually find her way to b6 and the a8-rook would go to c8 and aiming to double rooks on c-file. If white allows major trades of rooks or queen, then this is a big advantage for black. I would say the position is already almost lost for white strategically.
(Most probably computers would point out the above development scheme for black, but perhaps without the thought process, so I hope the comment helps. I am not an IM/GM-expert myself, but used to that position type.)
TOTALLY agree .... Li Chess is even worse. It's not worth logging on.
Lichess dont even have money to try tackle the issue sadly
I mean listen, even i considered only pawn to e6 and rook to c8 moves. I did not considered knight to f6 at all because i was thinking about the threats. I was like what does knight to f6 do? Just open the pawn get ready to castle fast.
It's a fair point, I just didn't realise how immediate the threats were until I actually played Nf6, annoying but that's chess and I know I won't make the same mistake again
@@ChessCenturion good. Also as a reference. To improve in chess and become a good player, you should use the engine analysis without been told the best moves. This way you can use your own mind to analyse and understand why that move is bad or good when the engine bar fluctuates. This way you teach yourself to understand deeper using your mind, and your mind in difficult situations will use critical thinking to come up with understanding and best moves. I think that's the issue with engines and chess players. Providing best move insights and giving players easy alternatives without them even trying to think, or understand, teaches them to be lazy and learn nothing. And when the critical positions come, they are struggling because they been teached with easy, and easy doesn't come when they need.
Sure, knowing basic opening principles before going into self analysis helps a bit.
I think this is what people don't know when using engines. They think, oh it's easy I just need to learn the best moves and I'm the best.
That's the problem I see in chess right now. We are teached with easy and laziness and we want trophies and to be in top spots, thinking engines teach us everything. I guess in a sense, that's why cheaters cheat.
Because they get frustrated cause they can't be good at chess even with the engines. I don't see the point of cheating in chess. There is nothing to prove that you are better and just make people annoying by playing against a strong engine and make then go into deep thinking for nothing. No one gains anything, but frustration.
Unless there is money involved, I don't see the point of cheating. Proving what?
Rc8 not Nf6. Though it did not matter since he cheated and you would lose no matter what you did, if he wanted to win.
Yeah e6 or Rc8 was necessary
You know what the worst part is? You don't even know if you played and lost to a cheater if you don't have the membership because you can't do game review. I'm sure i have played many cheaters by now thinking that they were just good players.
58:08 This might be the weirdest part of the video. The position is of course a theoretical draw the whole time. Makes you wonder what kind of engine is used there that can lead to such a misevaluation.
There were a few small moments where black was winning as the line jumped between a draw and a loss. I’m assuming the engine was just lagging behind
@@TonyLiu-xy2us From 57:52 onwards it was a draw the whole time. I might be missing something, but I don't see how the engine lagging behind causes it to jump from a draw to a win, while it's actually just a draw.
Yeah this is why I was so confused, its a theoretical draw - how can the engine get that wrong 😂
Shocking ban 😂!
Totally unexpected 😂
58:10 is a draw - black is not winning.
Yeah I was so confused
Give this Job to Kramnik, he’ll be so happy after getting a job to report someone 😂😂😂, but really well played though😊!
Annoyed I played Nf6 but I was always gonna lose
Bro what’s your hair style?
Uhhh no idea I just blow dry it for like 30 seconds backwards and hope it's presentable 😂
@@ChessCenturion It's kind if 1990's, somehow that's how I would define it, not that there's anything wrong.
Tbf I highly rate how guys look in 90s films, call me old fashioned but I just don't like the pretty boy kinda look on me
Kramink is right tho :D
About what?
Not cheating you r just 800 elo
U what 😂
ay yo, you high or something?
Bros a bit lost
says the 2000 whos killing 1500
Are you ignorant, dumb or just plain stupid?
Being 2000 and using 3000 elo stockfish aren't quite the same
@@ChessCenturionI do think smurfing is as annoying as cheating. You are crushing bad players and I'm 100% sure at least some of them thought this site is full of cheaters and quit. Even tho it might be a smurf.
@@yoooyoyooo Well in theory fast elo gains on new accounts and pairing system should limit the damage here. You actually get paired with people who are on long winning streaks when you keep winning - which also means you can be paired with a cheater.
@@mariuszpudzianowski8400 You will at least crush some souls on the way. I don't know. With so many people cheating and smurfing, I'm afraid many honest players just quit in disgust.