To summarize: (microneedling for hair loss) -Microneedling gives stimulation and blood flow to the scalp which promotes hair growth (regenaration) and produce collagen -Ideal microneedle tip: 1mm or 1.5mm -How many times should you do it?: Not more than 2-3 times a week (1x a week is enough) -Don't overdo it and don't do it more than an hour, just a few minutes -It has to heal and healing takes about 1-2 days -It is not primary one of the options for hair loss, but just an ad-on (Minoxidil and Finasteride is still) -Use only in areas where there are hair miniaturization, if the area is completely bald, forget it, it won't work.
AlexanderNino it should work on every area of the body. The international experts all agree that the procedure stimulates any size of hair follicles. No, it will not darken your hair. This procedure doesn’t affect hair color. Sorry.
@@IUtrumpetboy I used DHT blocker (not FDA approved) and minoxidil for 2 months, but fear the potential side effects, so I stopped them all about more than half a year ago. Supplements, yes, I need to increase intake of vitamin A、B2、B6、D and zinc according to my doctor's advice, because my body is short of these things. Microneedling and scalp massages to clear out fibrosis and calcification (may be the true reason for hair loss, not DHT, but DHT do play a role in this cycle. When you've been microneedling for months and start to see results, you may also feel your scalp becoming elastic, while many people using finasteride for months, and finally finasteride stopped working) and ensure proper nutrition and blood flow for your hair follicle, live healthy life and stay away from any kind of chronic inflammation, FOLLICLES WON'T DIE, remember this, have patience and stay optimistic, you will have your hair back.
Hawx Won I’m about to start microneedling again with a dermapen. Glad to hear you’ve had so much success! So, you put your results down to: microneedling, massage (both breaking fibrosis and increasing circulation) as well as nutrition and avoiding inflammation. Is that correct?
@@Michael-gq9cd yes, in my opinion, those things work far more than blocking DHT, even if I significantly tapered off my regime, the regrowth didn't ever stop, I think' it's worth a try
Hawx Won do you need a prescription for a dht blocker or can you just go buy it? And do you know of any side effects from taking it? Just found my first pretty big bald spot a month ago, so I’m pretty new to all of this.
I really feel we are going to get at the absolute source of hairloss and release a surprisingly simple routine that both men and women can do in their youth to prevent hair loss. The future is bright. Stick to a regimen and report your results!
@@vanshajmaken8299 fuckoff you dumbass,..... please don't make assumptions and guarantee people when they're suffering as emotional issue as hairloss.....given a better diet will surely help but doesn't cure androgenic alopecia..... everyone here on this video are doing that.....or take example of homeless and beggars...who don't get even half of what you mentioned...still have a full head of hairs....so bruh please think before saying anything
@@vanshajmaken8299 you're one of those people who say "bro just get more sleep, drink water, and lower stress. All your hair will come back." Absolutely ridiculous.
@@vanshajmaken8299your statement " all these beggars and rickshaw puller" shows how dumb and undirectional you're when you're even trying to explain your point. 1. Beggars and rickshaw pullers are very different.... totally different in what amount of work they do what they eat 2. There's no way to quantify a beggar do a lot of Hardwork to ensure blood circulation....so are the people as fitness lifestyle is booming....so Calling beggars have added advantage just because they tend to roam on streets (even though not all beggars are fully fit or enabled) is right out foolish and dumb. 3. And if you wanna compare a diet of a beggar with middle class, beggars even survive on little rice(just carbs ) where's the vitamins, minerals , proteins now....point is a healthy diet is important....but just a diet is not root cause or sufficient solution for hair loss 4. Whatever is working for is good enough.... but not the only thing necessary....if diet is sufficient to cure there would be research on that too 5. Sure pumpkin seeds might have worked for you in the long run.....but first ensure you have androgenic alopecia , second which stage of norwood scale you're on, your age and then tell people how it curred your hairfall and make you look like a baby with full head of lucious hairs.....that would definitely help. 6. Nobody is arguing here diet is not necessary .....it's necessary but not a absolute treatment....sure natural extracts might work...and will surely looking forward of your research on how foods that can absolutely cures male pattern baldness
I have followed hair loss for years and only just discovered you guys. You're great at explaining things, I intend to follow what else has been released on this channel. Thanks and all the best!
Guy on right keeps trying to psychologically establish dominance over guy on left. It began in the opening act of having him write the word on the board. That officially let the viewers know...”I’m in charge.” It didn’t stop there...
The Dr. on the left ended up making his own “continuation” video after this one. Good for him, but I doubt that video will get the same play. Fact is - it’s hard to shake a first impression.
These guys need more credit all doctors sucks here in America they get paid crazy but still don’t even look the patient. Well done explaining everything.
Secondly, I’ve a suggestion for a video, where u talk about combining various treatments (stimulation & blockers) by degree of hair loss. That is, if ur hair loss is this much, then do this and this, if ur hair loss is this, then do this, this and this etc. You don’t have to go into the depth of any of those treatments since you have in-depth video on each, which u can link in the description. All in all, great channel. Keep it up 👍
This is great. However, there have been many people who have regrown hair in areas of complete baldness with combination of microneedling + minoxidil + fin/dut. So it is absolutely possible to regrow hair in areas where there is almost none left.
True, but these guys would be out of business if they admitted that it does work on completely bald patches, as it has with me (without Minoxidil or Finestride)
Im using 0.5 derma roller 2x a week..i apply minoxidil right away..also finasterude 3x a week since july 2020..amazing results..tiny hairs start to grow..thanks for ur show..
But using combination of both would be powerful to stimulate hair regrowth. Also what was the lenght of dermaroller that was effective, according to study?
Micro needling is the best and lowest risk hair loss protocol they just don’t want to admit it because it’s basically free and they can’t charge for it
@@vigneshpalanisamy1635No, wait atleast a day before you apply minoxidil after micro needling. Otherwise you can risk it getting into your bloodstream which is not good.
@@vigneshpalanisamy1635 They take 1-2 days to heal. Wait until the next day atleast before you apply minoxidil again. Surprised they didn't mention it in the video actually.
@@jimboslice4961 but do u think minoxidil will work once the punctures got healed??? Shall i apply oil in morning rinse it im eve, and apply minoxidil before bed?? Will it work?? Bro
17 and my forehead is 6 cm, I know it's small but it scares me to death of becoming bald in my teens because my dad became bald in his teens, Norwood reaper ain getting me ✊
Keep your hair short....shave head and do pinching massage daily on ur head for as long as u can daily...till the hair grow back...keep them short and keep doing this pinching massage ....u will never lose hair for rest of ur life...keep shaving and keep this cycle going
@@Abbas-tk5gi It stops....for me it has worked wonders.....also. I had read about this in a Singapore study.....I don't have the link now or would have shared it.... The study stated this massage by pinching improves circulation and this in turn removes excess DHT accumulated on the scalp.... Also if done on a shaved head, it's a little easier to implement this pinching massage...
Not much to worry about, you can rock caps and beanies in the summer and in the winter! I often wear a cap indoors with shades! My hair is fine but I have an affective way to make it look thicker and it’s shaved. I’ve never looked better. Take it easy man.
@@tomvucci7966 thanks, I posted this comment back then because I started getting too anxious about my hairline to the point I scrolled through every reddit posts on hairloss to know more. Thinking about it now, it isn't bad at all.
@@xkdjdnskdnscndjdj984 that’s cool that you’re at that place now. For me I can cope with it shaved but I also found a way of making it look more hair thicker in general. I never did have thick hair but now this dry shampoo spray I use looks incredible and I’m currently enjoying having the kind of hair that I’ve never had but as a short shaved look. Without trying it shaved, I wouldn’t even know that this was a possibility. The other thing I’ve done is removed any moles or lumps or bumps from my face. Just waiting for them to heal but it’s so nice having flat skin! Enjoy the sun but cover up man!
Logic of derma- rolling - stimulate the skin. Optimum tip for the scalp ? - more inflammation. Target area between is 1 - 1.5 mm under the skin, where the stem cells zone (bulge) is. Do not do more then 2-3 times a week. Don’t over inflame the area. Is it recommended? - Considered an add-on. Not the first thing suggested. Little is good, to much is not. If fully bald, not going to help. -Behind Minoxidol and , did you say laser therapy?
I don't know it it works for me. I don't understand if my hair are totally gone in that area or if I have a little. I can say that there are "less" there... Will derma rolling help me?
Thanks for the informative video guys. There may be a difference between derma-rolling and microneedling with a mechanical pen. The former may have further potential to damage the hair than the latter, as you are rolling and possible tearing the skin slightly. The latter performs an automated puncturing motion which does less unnecessary damage to the scalp.
My dr tested me for vit d. I was very low. I was already using minoxidil and demra rolling with 1,mm roller. I was rolling about once a month. This combination seemed to stop or slow down my hair loss. But once I started 10,000 iue’s of vit d, my hair grew back and thickened. Even my bald spot grew hair. My hairstylist said your hair is different as she said it was much thicker. Just my results.
I'm so happy I came across this channel. The information and advise given is just amazing. Thanks to the Hairloss show I took the plunge and started using Minoxidil in January and Finasteride in March 2020 and just started derma rolling. I did initially shed hairs, then before I knew it, I actually started to get my old hairline back! I'm 31 yrs old and I can honestly say my hair is back to how it was years ago! I can't wait to see how it will be after a year of using the treatment!
I've been dermarolling for around 4months using a 1.5mm once a week around the temples and have seen some growth. Nothing spectacular just stragglers. So it does kinda work at the temples.
Plz can you elaborate about it. Cause most of the sources that if one experiences a complete baldness on temple area then there will be no way of getting them back.
@@kinnanshah1089 Complete baldness is rare, the hair follicles are still there they are just dormant. Or there is very small hair which is not visible to the eye.
I saw a study that said 0.6mm was optimal for penetration. Now, depending on how much hair you have, your needle length needs to vary to account for the extra padding due to the hair layer. For a bald guy, 0.6mm, for someone with more hair, maybe 1.0mm is needed
Found this channel yesterday and Probably watched all you videos by now. Thanks for info guys keep up the great work. There is so much misinformation around this topic.
Derma rolling + minoxodil is a really good combination as minoxodil can help regrow hair, and derma rolling helps make the hair healthier by increasing blood flow
I started doing this before anyone as far as I knew, said it was a method for hair regrowth. A thought came to my mind one day, " If I cause minor irritation to the surface of skin, as a rule of how the body functions, the body must start repairing itself. If the body starts repairing itself, it must send vital repair elements into the site of repair, including a increase in blood circulation in this particular area." I got tired of feeling like a victim of numerous BS advice, so I started thinking for myself and not listening to the so-called experts. Before the micro needling combs came out, I was using a sanitized sewing needle. Micro needling definitely does work, but you have to be very patient as you won't see progress until about 6 months. I'm 1 1/2 years into consistent microneedling-2--3 times per week. I don't use any shelf-hair soaps nor bar soaps on my scalp. I discovered that they were part of the problem of clogging not only my pores on my scalp but also all over my body. I only use Ajax 100% antibacterial dish soap to wash my scalp and body with now. As an added measure while on days that I have more time, I also pour rubbing alcohol onto my cleaned scalp and then use the micro needling technique to work the solution into the pores of the scalp to help dissolve things that clog the hair follicle. After 1 1/2 years I reopened closed hair follicles and have had a lot of hair growth. I'm on pace at this rate, to experience near full coverage of my scalp again at the top part of the crown. As a rule of thumb, I use the micro needle on every area of my scalp just to prevent extra work later on from unexpected areas loosing hair. If you're consistent, you will gain a good return for the time and effort that you've invested. I recommend while anyone is waiting for their hair to grow back while using this method, to use hair-building-fibers to cover the bald spot. They work and you cannot tell them apart from one's own hair. My wife had taken a few photos outside in the light in a candid way while we were out on vacation up in the mountains. You cannot tell that the hair building fibers are fake. They blend into my hair seamlessly and hide the bald spot even in windy and rainy conditions.
which needle size is best 0.5 or 1 oe 1.5 mm for hair regrowth, and what's the time interval between, do we need to apply before and or after derma rolling, thanks for the reviewed reply, thanks
I can't say dermarolling has done much for my hairline, I'd attribute any of the hair progress to minoxidil once a day. But it has without question reversed the aging of the skin on my face. I dermaroll once a week on Sundays using a 1.5mm roller. Any wrinkles, blemishes, sun spots that I had on my skin are pretty much gone. The results for me were not immediate. I've been using it for around 12 months, and started to see big changes around 4 months.
I have been dermarolling with a 192-pin roller for a month and a half. Very positive experience. Have noticed small hairs poppping in my hairline and midscalp. I am also on min and topical fin ofc. I suggest 1.5mm roller or pen every week, with horizontal, diagonal and perpendicular movements all over the scalp. From my experience, you need to push the roller a lot so that you feel some pain, in order for it to be effective.
Were these "bald areas" of the hairline like they said the video, where you can't see the hair, it's less than 50% of the original diameter? I used a 1.5mm a couple times 6-8 weeks apart and see some baby hair sprouting on the border of my hairline, but not much further down to the perfect no recession line. Also, do you know the optimal frequency of use? I know studies do 10-14 days. I've heard 4-8 weeks is what clinics do.
I do it until it makes me tear up. Feels good and I rest a day before I reapply minoxidil. Still too early (first 3 months) to tell but my face already has great results with dermaroller.
there are several accounts of men who have dermarolled on a completely bald scalp and have experienced regrowth. So i dont think this is only for those who have experienced 50% miniaturization
I have a m shape bald spot due to stress over the years I got this at a young age and now derma rolling with a .5 and I can see hair like peach fuzz in the bald spot areas, I see hair sprouts and I started taking vitamins and using biotin. So I think this combo works very well just be consistent and every other day take collagen
1.5mm needle length once every 3 weeks. Press each spot 1-2x. You want to stop once you see erythema. There is no need to bleed. It takes a couple minutes for the erythema to begin so don’t worry if you don’t see it right away. I went over my scalp once time and it turned red after 3-5min. I see some people staring each spot 5+ times. There is no need. Also risking scarring by doing that. The reason for doing it every 3 weeks is that you want to give it time to heal. That’s where the benifts come. According to literature, tissue repair peaks at the 2 week mark and can last anywhere up to 6 weeks. But for a depth of 1.5mm, I don’t see a reason to wait 6 weeks.
I really enjoy Dr. Russel speaking. He is very optimistic and informative. But what you guys have not covered is the post rolling treatment. What to do and what to avoid. Much thanks Cheers
Great informative video. How long after a hair transplant should you dermaroll? Will it affect the transplanted grafts? Also, do you think taking 1mg fin twice a week is enough or too less for an actual impact.
I prefer a dermastamp, you can vary the length of the needles, Probably less damaging too, because you can push and pull straight up and down, and hairs won't tangle in. Thanks for the video! I was using 2 mm but am going back to 1.25 -1.5 now.
Docs, what’s a good dermaroller brand? The reason for asking is that there are many pseudo-dermarollers for sale online that don’t quite seem to be dermarollers of the sort talked about in this video
Great content as usual guys. It would be really good to see the benefit of oils like rosemary, castor, stinging nettle, onion juice, apple cider etc. Maybe you can debunk some theories or advise us to put it into our routine. I think it’s deffo worth making a video on it as there are many YT videos that make claims on these benefits. Thanks guys !
I'll be honest with you, I have very little knowledge of these things that you have listed. That is in no way saying that they don't have any benefit. I am not aware of the mechanism of action. The problem that you will find with a lot of these natural remedies is that there is not a lot of statistically significant data to explain how they work and how they are used. As I said, I am sure that they may be of benefit, I just myself don't know how.
@@kautilya21 Bullshit. Don't Listen to these idiots: Especially the oils you listed are fabulous for hair growth. I can also recommend mediterranian olive oil and fenugreec seed oil.
Am I the only who gets the impression these two don't get on very well, I dunno, just seems they would always disagree or argue with each opinions haha!
Scientists/doctors always disagree with the semantics/precision of what the other is saying. It is difficult to both accurately and comprehensively cover scientific information using speech. I have worked in a theoretical physics lab at Harvard, and experts in QM/AMO/Astrophysics will talk to each other like this all the time.
Appreciate your honesty. I do agree people with female/male PHL have thin skin on their scalp so I think starting with 0.5mm depth would be smarter based off all the other videos I have watched. I am curious if you would address the different in the Dermarollers vs. micro needling for longer hair and also the difference the way the needles penetrate: 45 degree rotation creating larger wedge type incision vs. 90 degree straight insertion. If you could address this that would be helpful. With Covid more people are looking for treatments that can be done from home and are more reasonable than going to a clinic to get treatments. Thanks.
There are people who say Dermarolling isn't good because the hairs grown in patchy areas are only vellus hairs. But cosmetically the difference is major and is the difference between a patchy and shiny head in pictures v.s what could look like a full head of hair. There is a whole industry of tattooing the scalp [micropigmenting] for that very reason. Dermarolling is great.
@@samsungaccount1753 almost a year of microneedling at 1.5mm, but I havent been consistent. Once a week, or three times a month, for several months, and I've seen results. But it requires the repeated wounding to rebuild the cutaneous environment to deliver blood to the hair follicles. Calcification of the skin is a big part of hair loss. My regime is microneedling, and topical finasteride and minoxidil. I get 5mg finasteride from india, crush the pills and mix it with minoxidil. I apply that once a day for two or three weeks, then take a week or two and just apply minoxidil. My experience with this regimen is that the shedding has absolutely halted. And the hair I have is getting thicker. The microneedling really makes a difference, and it's not a pharmaceutical. So it's something that hurts a little but it's not poison. I use the poisons too but I try to keep my body from becoming totally acclimated to the finasteride.
What are your thoughts on dermarolling vs a microneedling device? The logic being that the rolling motion creates a long triangular "slit" in your scalp as it's moving longitudinally as well as vertically, whereas a derma pen type of device goes straight in straight out making a "shaft" wound instead. Maybe more wounding = more growth factors? But you have to be careful about scarring and too much damage like you said
I heard giving it 24 hours after microneedling not right after to add minox..but I heard after 12 hours you can add oils or other tbing so im assuming the same with shower
I have done my hair transplant 10 years ago; it was fine for a few years. Until one day that other hair are became so thin and bald, then your transplant hair look unsually strong, your whole hair just look unnatural. and if one day you go so bald that you want to shave your head, you will then realized your recipient skin area looks like full of scar, different color to your other scalp color. My conclusion is, your transplanted hair look fine in short, but in long term if you do lose hair nearby, then your hair in overall will just look terrible, and the skin also
Would you recommend getting a derma-pen instead? And if you use a derma-roller, do you need to put the needle all the way in? I bought a derma-roller but it seems really difficult and painful to put the entire needle in. Derma-pens are supposed to be less painful and more effective.
7:34 Oh so that's why it hurts so much more on the hairline. So doing it once a week with a dermapen set to 1.5mm, for about 10 minutes, is a good protocol? When it comes to light therapy, is there any significant difference between LED and Laser?
I love your show as it has become the bible of hairloss. Finally an honest couple of doctors who want to put how quality info!! By far you are underrated!! One Question: How long of using the derma roller weekly with 1 mm till someone achieves the maximal/optimal hair regrowth benefits?
Nice, how's everything now? I'm thinking about getting a tranplant because I think the minoxidil/rosemary oil and derma roller is only a temporary solution and it takes too long to see results, I want thick hair again now not in 2 years.
An excellent and very informative video on derma rolling. But both you guys got me confuse about the size of needle used for derma rolling. Do you guys suggest 1mm or 1.5mm needle for an average person?
Axel Andres Amor Chin i understand the concern but those dermapen sold in US are the same dermapen being sold in asia. All are made in china but rebranded. If you watch HAIRLICIOUSLY videos in youtube, he sells rebranded myM dermapen for 4 times the price.
Thank you so much, i have couple of questions please, do you prefer Dermastamp than Dermaroller? Aslo what kind of topicals are recommended to apply after? Is it possible to use it everyday at depth of 0.25 to increase penetration of topicals? lastly could you please talk about combining dermarolling with Peppermint and Rosemary oil?
Pen is considered better from the standpoint of fewer and more focused wounds, but I think rollers are just as good. You may want to invest in a pen if you also intend to puncture your face for anti-aging purposes (as a lot of women for example tend to do), since you can modify easily the needle length. No topicals are recommended for the scalp after rolling. However, I continue my regular minoxidil routine 12h after the dermarolling session.
Thanks for the great info! This is exactly what i was searching for. I had a FUE hair transplant more than a year ago but my crown area is still very bold. Therefore I have decided to try minoxidil and derma roller and to record the results on my channel. Hopefully it will work 🙏. Finger crossed!
Perhaps he isn’t as vain as the rest of us. All of their videos explain that any of the methods they speak about requiring continuous use in order to be effective. Maybe he just isn’t interested in investing the time needed to see results.
the potency of those option is: monoxidil, microneedling, monoxidil + microneedling (the most potent): Dont do monoxidil alone and try firstly needles alone
thanks for this videos and explanation, still have question how many times per month I use it for hair, and can I use the microneedling pen instead of roll?
So, I've been shaving my head to the skin for 8 yrs now... a few months ago, one of my best friends suggested using a homemade remedy of Apple Cidar Vinegar and some oils and water and what d'u know, my entire head is now covered in fine new growth that is thickening week by week! Also, I do a charcoal, bentonite and ground coffee mask all over the top of my head 2-3 times a week and I'm really happy with the results so far. I've supplemented that with some Biotin and collagen gummies and now I'm considering getting a derma-roller. I expect the journey to a complete regrowth to take maybe 1.5-2 yrs but I do believe it'll come right back
Can using a derma roller (1.5 mm or 1.0 mm on thinning areas and areas with miniaturized hair) cause scarring that might interfere with an FUE (or FUT) transplant? Great show by the way, very informative. Thank you for providing it.
Hi Drs. Jayaprakash & Knudsen, first off you both are awesome. I hope you are rolling in clients. My Q: I derma-roll 1x a week with a sterilized 1.5mm roller post-shower. While I'm on minoxidil, I pause my application for 12 hours after the roll to avoid the possibility of infection. I've heard 24hrs is the shortest I should apply but is 12 enough? My main motivation is convenience, as I usually apply minoxidil after showers (and roll on the weekend for added time and convenience). (in case it helps I'm on Norwood scale 3-4, low hairline reduction, but thinning crown and derma roll my crown and hairline for good measure, probably 15 minutes each setting)
Have a few questions if anyone can answer: 1-what’s the best derma roller to use on the head 2-what’s the best size (mm) to use 3-what’s the difference of treatment on using a derma roller on the head for hair loss,and a derma roller for acne on the face I’m 19 and balding and hair is thinning fast,but I don’t know what derma rollers to get and products with that, I also want to treat my acne scars with a separate derma roller too, If anyone can answer any of these it will be appreciated 🙏
Hello sir (one point of view ) you told that while using dermaroller you might sometimes shedd your hair so, can we use it after cutting the hair like totally, so that it goes deep where we can see the result It just my sugg. I might be wrong I am planning to use it about 1 mm to 0.5 mm Expecting your reply Thankyou
For me personally the dermaroller did more for my hair than my minoxidil. First time i used it though i looked like i came out of a fight with Mike Tyson, all bloodied up. Used way to much pressure. I can personally vouch for dermarolling, not based on science but sheer anecdotal. I even grew back some of my hairline that i considered an actual deadzone. I've come to terms with the fact i will never have the lucious hair and hairline i had when i was 18. But my hair looks good now, a bit of a high hairline. But i grew it out long and looks great modelled. Still not ready to go on finasteride. If i notice another decline in my hair, i'll bite that bullet.
What needle size did you use also how many weeks and times per week did you see results? Does it make your hair shed at beginning stages then it makes hair grow?
@@unknownsource4359 I don't have notifications for comments. That's why this 'fool' did'nt answer....... Anyway, i use the 0.5mm roller twice a week. Monday morning and friday morning. Now, 2 years later my hair has not declined and essentially looks the same as 2 years ago.
I've been a Norwwod 7 for 10+ years and started microneedling about 45 days ago, I now have lots of new tiny hairs sprouting up in places I haven't had hair for over 10 years. So you say that once your hair is less than 50% diameter you cant regrow that hair...I say you can regrow hair even if it has stopped growing completely in that area for years, I'm walking proof of that.
@@justineandserena no actually I used 5% minoxidil on and off 3 weeks but each time I got swollen lymph nodes in my neck and behind my right ear which freaked me out! So I stopped but turns out in some people microneedling can cause temporary swollen lymph nodes. Since I had stopped minox I noticed little new hairs still keep sprouting up so I figured I'll see how much I can grow without minox. since any new hairs will become dependent on it. I only use ketoconazole shampoo 2 times week, nioxin stage 2 shampoo twice/three times a week and I always mix 6 drops of peppermint oil in with both shampoos before applying to my head. I also use CRL peptide hr complex every morning after I do a quick derma roll at 0.3mm. I microneedle @ 1.5mm once a week. I've been bald (Norwood 7) shaved my head since my 20s and got SMP @ 35. Never expected to get any hair back on my head so I didnt want to take fin incase of permanent sides. I have access from my work to a microneedling machine and the peptide hr complex. This was more of an experiment I honestly never expected to see any regrowth on the top of my head and in the medical community it is a rule of thumb that once you go bald the hair is gone for good which I now have to say is false.
@TheHairLossShow Great video Dr. Jayaprakash and Dr. Knudsen. Could you clarify on 3 points? 1. What length needle would you apply to the temples and the thin area of the forehead, where you'd usually see the 'anger' vein? (given usual depth for scalp is between 1mm - 1.5mm) 2. Is it best to microneedle when you wake up, during the day, before bed or doesn't it matter? 3. Aside from drugs such as minoxidil, is are there any other serums (e.g. rosemary oil) to the scalp, or best leave without?
I used fina for 20 years, minodixil religiously, PRP, cortisone etc. They worked. But when I started to use Dermaroller, it completely changed my hair!!! Thanks to DR, I reduced the bald area on my crown and some hair (very few) regrowth on my temples. I used 1.5 mm DR + castor oil. AMAZING!!!!!!!! The only problem with DR is that during rolling I broke some hairs. So I skipped to Dermapen. Now I have two question: how long should I wait to Dermorolling after hair transplant? Considering my HT involved only my hairline, can I have dormorolling on the crown as soon as possible?
What about the side effects? Im in the fence of taking finasteride. I'm 25 years old, and started balding at 15 i have a lot of hair yet but it is advancing slowly but surely. Thanks
I saw that vid, too . But he did a lot more then just use the derma roll , used biotin shampoo, and pills , or gummy’s . But true tho dude he did get his hair back , Jose rios , was the dude,
How often should we do this? I know you said maybe 2-3x per week, but like for how long, indefinitely? And how long would a typical microneedling session take? Thanks for the info either way!
Im going to a dermatologist and she is hitting the hairline for me with long ass needling. She has done lots of research on this and wanted to try it out with me over the year. I just finished my first session with her. Every 4 weeks ill be getting this done. Hopefully this works or ill be heading to Kenya to get a hair transplant. Since a good doctor there will cost me around 2500 to fill in the temples. Hopefully I do not need to do this and going to the dermatologist for face and hairline shows amazing results. I will not put Minoxidil on my hair until tomorrow night.
@@jemand7488 yeah it did. Middle front hairline was narrow and then filled back out some. I was told this process can take up to a year to see full gains.
To summarize: (microneedling for hair loss)
-Microneedling gives stimulation and blood flow to the scalp which promotes hair growth (regenaration) and produce collagen
-Ideal microneedle tip: 1mm or 1.5mm
-How many times should you do it?: Not more than 2-3 times a week (1x a week is enough)
-Don't overdo it and don't do it more than an hour, just a few minutes
-It has to heal and healing takes about 1-2 days
-It is not primary one of the options for hair loss, but just an ad-on (Minoxidil and Finasteride is still)
-Use only in areas where there are hair miniaturization, if the area is completely bald, forget it, it won't work.
thanks you
So if im trying to make my baby hairs (on my hairline) darker or more defined will this work? Im not balding I just have a crooked hairline lol
AlexanderNino it should work on every area of the body. The international experts all agree that the procedure stimulates any size of hair follicles. No, it will not darken your hair. This procedure doesn’t affect hair color. Sorry.
Thanks for the summary
My hairline is naturally a M shape. If I use the roller to the area where there’s gaps would it work ???
Actually I got my hair grown back with dermaroller where they have been lost completely for 3 years. And they grew back to normal within a year.
Without any medications? Or supplements?
@@IUtrumpetboy I used DHT blocker (not FDA approved) and minoxidil for 2 months, but fear the potential side effects, so I stopped them all about more than half a year ago. Supplements, yes, I need to increase intake of vitamin A、B2、B6、D and zinc according to my doctor's advice, because my body is short of these things. Microneedling and scalp massages to clear out fibrosis and calcification (may be the true reason for hair loss, not DHT, but DHT do play a role in this cycle. When you've been microneedling for months and start to see results, you may also feel your scalp becoming elastic, while many people using finasteride for months, and finally finasteride stopped working) and ensure proper nutrition and blood flow for your hair follicle, live healthy life and stay away from any kind of chronic inflammation, FOLLICLES WON'T DIE, remember this, have patience and stay optimistic, you will have your hair back.
Hawx Won I’m about to start microneedling again with a dermapen. Glad to hear you’ve had so much success!
So, you put your results down to: microneedling, massage (both breaking fibrosis and increasing circulation) as well as nutrition and avoiding inflammation. Is that correct?
@@Michael-gq9cd yes, in my opinion, those things work far more than blocking DHT, even if I significantly tapered off my regime, the regrowth didn't ever stop, I think' it's worth a try
Hawx Won do you need a prescription for a dht blocker or can you just go buy it? And do you know of any side effects from taking it? Just found my first pretty big bald spot a month ago, so I’m pretty new to all of this.
Its a good job they both have hair or nobody would believe them
LOL
😂😂
Like an underweight chef 😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂
@@chendaforest or a fat gym instructer
I really feel we are going to get at the absolute source of hairloss and release a surprisingly simple routine that both men and women can do in their youth to prevent hair loss. The future is bright. Stick to a regimen and report your results!
@@vanshajmaken8299 did all this from a young age, still losing hairs.. RIP
@@vanshajmaken8299 fuckoff you dumbass,..... please don't make assumptions and guarantee people when they're suffering as emotional issue as hairloss.....given a better diet will surely help but doesn't cure androgenic alopecia..... everyone here on this video are doing that.....or take example of homeless and beggars...who don't get even half of what you mentioned...still have a full head of hairs....so bruh please think before saying anything
@@vanshajmaken8299 you're one of those people who say "bro just get more sleep, drink water, and lower stress. All your hair will come back." Absolutely ridiculous.
@@vanshajmaken8299your statement " all these beggars and rickshaw puller" shows how dumb and undirectional you're when you're even trying to explain your point.
1. Beggars and rickshaw pullers are very different.... totally different in what amount of work they do what they eat
2. There's no way to quantify a beggar do a lot of Hardwork to ensure blood circulation....so are the people as fitness lifestyle is booming....so Calling beggars have added advantage just because they tend to roam on streets (even though not all beggars are fully fit or enabled) is right out foolish and dumb.
3. And if you wanna compare a diet of a beggar with middle class, beggars even survive on little rice(just carbs ) where's the vitamins, minerals , proteins now....point is a healthy diet is important....but just a diet is not root cause or sufficient solution for hair loss
4. Whatever is working for is good enough.... but not the only thing necessary....if diet is sufficient to cure there would be research on that too
5. Sure pumpkin seeds might have worked for you in the long run.....but first ensure you have androgenic alopecia , second which stage of norwood scale you're on, your age and then tell people how it curred your hairfall and make you look like a baby with full head of lucious hairs.....that would definitely help.
6. Nobody is arguing here diet is not necessary .....it's necessary but not a absolute treatment....sure natural extracts might work...and will surely looking forward of your research on how foods that can absolutely cures male pattern baldness
@@vanshajmaken8299 cool will check it out
Excellent information you two. This channel is going to explode in poularity in the coming few weeks
Appreciate that. Thanks.
Am loseting my hair plza halep me and contact number inde medsen 4 my hair
Old guy seems like a jerk though
Nah... I actually like Dr russle a bit more. He has more experiance.
@@nathitawule2411 Halep??? Judging by your comment your grasp of the english language is more of a pressing issue for you.
I have followed hair loss for years and only just discovered you guys. You're great at explaining things, I intend to follow what else has been released on this channel. Thanks and all the best!
Is Kim your hero? 😣
Ny update?
Is there any chance of a derma-rolling routine? A video demonstration would be amazing :) especially showing what is enough and what is too much.
So this is what "M.Night Shyamalan" and "Steven Spielberg" is up to this days...😁
Lmao!
ROFL LOL what the hell man
I was not ready for that one. My sides hurt 😂
omg bro.. I wasn't ready.
Nailed it bro
first 3 minutes sounds like a nutswinging contest in who could define dermarolling better ;x
Lol 😂😂😂
🤣🤣🤣
Guy on right keeps trying to psychologically establish dominance over guy on left. It began in the opening act of having him write the word on the board. That officially let the viewers know...”I’m in charge.” It didn’t stop there...
@@gB-gm7vy I was picking up the same thing lol.
The Dr. on the left ended up making his own “continuation” video after this one. Good for him, but I doubt that video will get the same play. Fact is - it’s hard to shake a first impression.
These guys need more credit all doctors sucks here in America they get paid crazy but still don’t even look the patient. Well done explaining everything.
Secondly, I’ve a suggestion for a video, where u talk about combining various treatments (stimulation & blockers) by degree of hair loss. That is, if ur hair loss is this much, then do this and this, if ur hair loss is this, then do this, this and this etc.
You don’t have to go into the depth of any of those treatments since you have in-depth video on each, which u can link in the description.
All in all, great channel. Keep it up 👍
This is great. However, there have been many people who have regrown hair in areas of complete baldness with combination of microneedling + minoxidil + fin/dut. So it is absolutely possible to regrow hair in areas where there is almost none left.
is it true
True, but these guys would be out of business if they admitted that it does work on completely bald patches, as it has with me (without Minoxidil or Finestride)
which roller did u buy @@RandomUser25122
If you looked with a microscope there still would likely be hair
Finally a reliable information source! Thank you!
Thanks
I use 10 mm dermaroller. It stimulates my brain.
Atta boy
@@cholulahotsauce6166 si papi si! jajaja
Im using 0.5 derma roller 2x a week..i apply minoxidil right away..also finasterude 3x a week since july 2020..amazing results..tiny hairs start to grow..thanks for ur show..
Bro right after derma rolling?? How is the results now??
how is your results now?
Yes how is the results now mate?
How many mins you roll for?
There was a study that showed dermarolling by itself to be more effective than minoxidil for regenerating hair growth in bald areas of the head.
But using combination of both would be powerful to stimulate hair regrowth.
Also what was the lenght of dermaroller that was effective, according to study?
Cite the study pls
@@joestar3335 I don't have it on-hand, just Google it and I'm sure it'll pop right uo.
@@tonyorob Can you tell me what size of needles was effective according to study?
@@ayadhussin6771 I believe it was .05mm
Micro needling is the best and lowest risk hair loss protocol they just don’t want to admit it because it’s basically free and they can’t charge for it
Shall we use minoxidil soon after micro needling
@@vigneshpalanisamy1635No, wait atleast a day before you apply minoxidil after micro needling. Otherwise you can risk it getting into your bloodstream which is not good.
@@jimboslice4961 is it so. Wont the punctures get healed within that??
@@vigneshpalanisamy1635 They take 1-2 days to heal. Wait until the next day atleast before you apply minoxidil again. Surprised they didn't mention it in the video actually.
@@jimboslice4961 but do u think minoxidil will work once the punctures got healed???
Shall i apply oil in morning rinse it im eve, and apply minoxidil before bed?? Will it work?? Bro
17 and my forehead is 6 cm, I know it's small but it scares me to death of becoming bald in my teens because my dad became bald in his teens, Norwood reaper ain getting me ✊
Keep your hair short....shave head and do pinching massage daily on ur head for as long as u can daily...till the hair grow back...keep them short and keep doing this pinching massage ....u will never lose hair for rest of ur life...keep shaving and keep this cycle going
@@Abbas-tk5gi It stops....for me it has worked wonders.....also. I had read about this in a Singapore study.....I don't have the link now or would have shared it....
The study stated this massage by pinching improves circulation and this in turn removes excess DHT accumulated on the scalp....
Also if done on a shaved head, it's a little easier to implement this pinching massage...
Not much to worry about, you can rock caps and beanies in the summer and in the winter! I often wear a cap indoors with shades! My hair is fine but I have an affective way to make it look thicker and it’s shaved. I’ve never looked better.
Take it easy man.
@@tomvucci7966 thanks, I posted this comment back then because I started getting too anxious about my hairline to the point I scrolled through every reddit posts on hairloss to know more. Thinking about it now, it isn't bad at all.
@@xkdjdnskdnscndjdj984 that’s cool that you’re at that place now. For me I can cope with it shaved but I also found a way of making it look more hair thicker in general. I never did have thick hair but now this dry shampoo spray I use looks incredible and I’m currently enjoying having the kind of hair that I’ve never had but as a short shaved look. Without trying it shaved, I wouldn’t even know that this was a possibility. The other thing I’ve done is removed any moles or lumps or bumps from my face. Just waiting for them to heal but it’s so nice having flat skin! Enjoy the sun but cover up man!
Logic of derma- rolling - stimulate the skin.
Optimum tip for the scalp ? - more inflammation. Target area between is 1 - 1.5 mm under the skin, where the stem cells zone (bulge) is.
Do not do more then 2-3 times a week. Don’t over inflame the area.
Is it recommended? - Considered an add-on. Not the first thing suggested.
Little is good, to much is not.
If fully bald, not going to help.
-Behind Minoxidol and , did you say laser therapy?
So an average person should use 1mm needle or 1.5mm? What do you say?
I don't know it it works for me. I don't understand if my hair are totally gone in that area or if I have a little. I can say that there are "less" there... Will derma rolling help me?
Thanks for the informative video guys.
There may be a difference between derma-rolling and microneedling with a mechanical pen.
The former may have further potential to damage the hair than the latter, as you are rolling and possible tearing the skin slightly.
The latter performs an automated puncturing motion which does less unnecessary damage to the scalp.
You wanna get medical grade. The thinner the needle the better .
My dr tested me for vit d. I was very low. I was already using minoxidil and demra rolling with 1,mm roller. I was rolling about once a month. This combination seemed to stop or slow down my hair loss. But once I started 10,000 iue’s of vit d, my hair grew back and thickened. Even my bald spot grew hair.
My hairstylist said your hair is different as she said it was much thicker.
Just my results.
That's great. Glad you are on to it!
Did u use vitamin d cream on your head or just took it orally as a supplement
I'm also very low in vit D. Did you also take other supplements or did anything else, beside 10.000 IU's vit D? Thanks in advance
What is 10000 iues of vitamin d?
@@kenshiroFNS 10,000 I of D3
I'm so happy I came across this channel. The information and advise given is just amazing. Thanks to the Hairloss show I took the plunge and started using Minoxidil in January and Finasteride in March 2020 and just started derma rolling. I did initially shed hairs, then before I knew it, I actually started to get my old hairline back! I'm 31 yrs old and I can honestly say my hair is back to how it was years ago! I can't wait to see how it will be after a year of using the treatment!
Broooooooo are u using derma roller ? What's ur results
I've been dermarolling for around 4months using a 1.5mm once a week around the temples and have seen some growth. Nothing spectacular just stragglers. So it does kinda work at the temples.
Plz can you elaborate about it. Cause most of the sources that if one experiences a complete baldness on temple area then there will be no way of getting them back.
You suggest 1.5mm or 1mm for good results?
@@kinnanshah1089 Complete baldness is rare, the hair follicles are still there they are just dormant. Or there is very small hair which is not visible to the eye.
@Tommy Harris Yes. Finasteride, minoxidil and alftradiol.
@Javoy Johnson stable
I saw a study that said 0.6mm was optimal for penetration. Now, depending on how much hair you have, your needle length needs to vary to account for the extra padding due to the hair layer. For a bald guy, 0.6mm, for someone with more hair, maybe 1.0mm is needed
Found this channel yesterday and Probably watched all you videos by now. Thanks for info guys keep up the great work. There is so much misinformation around this topic.
Mark if you are looking for a trusted you tube channel for hair growth videos. You must visit theradome you tube channel.
Derma rolling + minoxodil is a really good combination as minoxodil can help regrow hair, and derma rolling helps make the hair healthier by increasing blood flow
But you will end up losing the hair when you stop using derma rolling
@@Al-Dhahabi04so just use derma roller not with minoxidil
But that is not healthy,bcs high concentrations of minoxidil will be absorbed to the blood
You guys should do reaction videos to people trying popular methods to treat their scalp/ skin It would be a great source of edutainment.
I started doing this before anyone as far as I knew, said it was a method for hair regrowth. A thought came to my mind one day, " If I cause minor irritation to the surface of skin, as a rule of how the body functions, the body must start repairing itself. If the body starts repairing itself, it must send vital repair elements into the site of repair, including a increase in blood circulation in this particular area." I got tired of feeling like a victim of numerous BS advice, so I started thinking for myself and not listening to the so-called experts. Before the micro needling combs came out, I was using a sanitized sewing needle. Micro needling definitely does work, but you have to be very patient as you won't see progress until about 6 months. I'm 1 1/2 years into consistent microneedling-2--3 times per week. I don't use any shelf-hair soaps nor bar soaps on my scalp. I discovered that they were part of the problem of clogging not only my pores on my scalp but also all over my body. I only use Ajax 100% antibacterial dish soap to wash my scalp and body with now. As an added measure while on days that I have more time, I also pour rubbing alcohol onto my cleaned scalp and then use the micro needling technique to work the solution into the pores of the scalp to help dissolve things that clog the hair follicle. After 1 1/2 years I reopened closed hair follicles and have had a lot of hair growth. I'm on pace at this rate, to experience near full coverage of my scalp again at the top part of the crown. As a rule of thumb, I use the micro needle on every area of my scalp just to prevent extra work later on from unexpected areas loosing hair. If you're consistent, you will gain a good return for the time and effort that you've invested. I recommend while anyone is waiting for their hair to grow back while using this method, to use hair-building-fibers to cover the bald spot. They work and you cannot tell them apart from one's own hair. My wife had taken a few photos outside in the light in a candid way while we were out on vacation up in the mountains. You cannot tell that the hair building fibers are fake. They blend into my hair seamlessly and hide the bald spot even in windy and rainy conditions.
which needle size is best 0.5 or 1 oe 1.5 mm for hair regrowth, and what's the time interval between, do we need to apply before and or after derma rolling, thanks for the reviewed reply, thanks
What type of rubbing alcohol you using on scalp? Does it stimulate hair regrowth? Im very curious
i have been using derma roller for 6 months, it works great more than 50% hair recovered.
Wauw!!!
Could you post before after pics?
How long do you do it for? Can you over do it
How many times yiu use it per a week ?
Are you balding ?
And your scalp is now scarred up?
weird power game between the two here :) lol
Is the doc on the right.
Competition produced best results
I can't say dermarolling has done much for my hairline, I'd attribute any of the hair progress to minoxidil once a day. But it has without question reversed the aging of the skin on my face. I dermaroll once a week on Sundays using a 1.5mm roller. Any wrinkles, blemishes, sun spots that I had on my skin are pretty much gone. The results for me were not immediate. I've been using it for around 12 months, and started to see big changes around 4 months.
Can you use the same roller on scalp and face ? Or is that bad
Thanks for your statement!!
I have been dermarolling with a 192-pin roller for a month and a half. Very positive experience. Have noticed small hairs poppping in my hairline and midscalp. I am also on min and topical fin ofc. I suggest 1.5mm roller or pen every week, with horizontal, diagonal and perpendicular movements all over the scalp. From my experience, you need to push the roller a lot so that you feel some pain, in order for it to be effective.
I tried it for six months, weekly with a 1.5mm roller. No change. Frustrating.
@@j-manmarkus7591 are you also on min? maybe you need to add it to the regimen.
@@kautilya21 yes, the big three...minox foam, proscar, and big 3 shampoo.
Were these "bald areas" of the hairline like they said the video, where you can't see the hair, it's less than 50% of the original diameter?
I used a 1.5mm a couple times 6-8 weeks apart and see some baby hair sprouting on the border of my hairline, but not much further down to the perfect no recession line. Also, do you know the optimal frequency of use? I know studies do 10-14 days. I've heard 4-8 weeks is what clinics do.
I do it until it makes me tear up. Feels good and I rest a day before I reapply minoxidil. Still too early (first 3 months) to tell but my face already has great results with dermaroller.
Finally, a useful show on this topic
Name a more iconic duo
A great explanation for the hair loss treatment. Would help a lot of people in choosing the right hair loss treatment for them.
You two Doctors are just awesome...You have been very helpful to me in understanding hair loss and the options available...Thank you very much...!!!
there are several accounts of men who have dermarolled on a completely bald scalp and have experienced regrowth. So i dont think this is only for those who have experienced 50% miniaturization
I have a m shape bald spot due to stress over the years I got this at a young age and now derma rolling with a .5 and I can see hair like peach fuzz in the bald spot areas, I see hair sprouts and I started taking vitamins and using biotin. So I think this combo works very well just be consistent and every other day take collagen
@@BettingWithDoc idk about that one....
@@BettingWithDoc whats your Instagram brotha can I see?
Ive been using on for 3 months. Definitely isnt working for my recding hairline, mines has got worse over the 3 months i have used it.
@@Project.99w210 hello. how often do you dermaroll? I also got a 0.5 mm dermaroll and just about to start doing this routine.
Why these videos don’t have 1 million views ?
1.5mm needle length once every 3 weeks. Press each spot 1-2x. You want to stop once you see erythema. There is no need to bleed. It takes a couple minutes for the erythema to begin so don’t worry if you don’t see it right away. I went over my scalp once time and it turned red after 3-5min. I see some people staring each spot 5+ times. There is no need. Also risking scarring by doing that. The reason for doing it every 3 weeks is that you want to give it time to heal. That’s where the benifts come. According to literature, tissue repair peaks at the 2 week mark and can last anywhere up to 6 weeks. But for a depth of 1.5mm, I don’t see a reason to wait 6 weeks.
can i put minoxidil after that?
I really enjoy Dr. Russel speaking. He is very optimistic and informative.
But what you guys have not covered is the post rolling treatment. What to do and what to avoid.
Much thanks
Cheers
You're right, they didn't.
Could you talk about vitamins and the benefits ? Biotin and folic acid etc ? Many thanks 😊
U r cute
You guys kept your promise 👏🏽
Great informative video. How long after a hair transplant should you dermaroll? Will it affect the transplanted grafts? Also, do you think taking 1mg fin twice a week is enough or too less for an actual impact.
Why is this important question being ignored?
@@7paradigm7 I totally agree
There's a comment down below that answered the question.. his doctor said 3 months after but on the forums most say 6 months
I remember when not too long ago, everyone used to laugh at these things and say they were harmful. How times have changed.
I prefer a dermastamp, you can vary the length of the needles, Probably less damaging too, because you can push and pull straight up and down, and hairs won't tangle in.
Thanks for the video! I was using 2 mm but am going back to 1.25 -1.5 now.
I use a 1.5 mm stamp and love it. Way more effective and easier to use than a roller
I invested in a Derminator
Which brand?
Phil Chadwick Dr Pen A6 is a good one
guys who use dermastamp.. ever get any shedding or hair loss from it? my left side took a hit
Docs, what’s a good dermaroller brand? The reason for asking is that there are many pseudo-dermarollers for sale online that don’t quite seem to be dermarollers of the sort talked about in this video
you can buy one on amazon, just make sure the reviews are good
Great content as usual guys. It would be really good to see the benefit of oils like rosemary, castor, stinging nettle, onion juice, apple cider etc. Maybe you can debunk some theories or advise us to put it into our routine. I think it’s deffo worth making a video on it as there are many YT videos that make claims on these benefits. Thanks guys !
I'll be honest with you, I have very little knowledge of these things that you have listed. That is in no way saying that they don't have any benefit. I am not aware of the mechanism of action. The problem that you will find with a lot of these natural remedies is that there is not a lot of statistically significant data to explain how they work and how they are used. As I said, I am sure that they may be of benefit, I just myself don't know how.
The Hairloss Show thanks for your honest reply guys. Keep up the good work with the videos 👍🏽
They don’t work. Stick with min, fin, keto and rolling.
@@kautilya21 Bullshit. Don't Listen to these idiots: Especially the oils you listed are fabulous for hair growth. I can also recommend mediterranian olive oil and fenugreec seed oil.
@@kautilya21 How do you know?
Does it matter how old you are or how long you've been balding in choosing the depth? He said the skin gets thinner over time.
Age isn't a factor
Thank you Doctors for such a nice explanation about derma rolling.
When should we put cream lotion onto our scalp ? Before or after derma rolling session ? Thank you for the wonderful service
which cream r u suggesting
This video has great before and after photos. th-cam.com/video/kHBteCwhsmY/w-d-xo.html
Definitely after. You want to derma roll a clean scalp
Am I the only who gets the impression these two don't get on very well, I dunno, just seems they would always disagree or argue with each opinions haha!
It’s a race thing
Scientists/doctors always disagree with the semantics/precision of what the other is saying. It is difficult to both accurately and comprehensively cover scientific information using speech. I have worked in a theoretical physics lab at Harvard, and experts in QM/AMO/Astrophysics will talk to each other like this all the time.
The white doctor is quite rude and impatient with the Indian doctor.
@@dinoleo3804 He knows more because he has been doing this a lot longer.
@@robertbrandywine And he talk him everything he knows.
Appreciate your honesty. I do agree people with female/male PHL have thin skin on their scalp so I think starting with 0.5mm depth would be smarter based off all the other videos I have watched. I am curious if you would address the different in the Dermarollers vs. micro needling for longer hair and also the difference the way the needles penetrate: 45 degree rotation creating larger wedge type incision vs. 90 degree straight insertion. If you could address this that would be helpful. With Covid more people are looking for treatments that can be done from home and are more reasonable than going to a clinic to get treatments. Thanks.
Which one is better? 45 degree or 90 degree for women with long hair?
I just started derma rolling. I will be back with update
There are people who say Dermarolling isn't good because the hairs grown in patchy areas are only vellus hairs. But cosmetically the difference is major and is the difference between a patchy and shiny head in pictures v.s what could look like a full head of hair. There is a whole industry of tattooing the scalp [micropigmenting] for that very reason. Dermarolling is great.
Alas! We have no medicine / treatment for growing hair even in 2020 :(
But we do... Finasteride, minoxidil, stemoxydine, RU etc etc..
Jonathan finasteride can cause impotence
Ismail Aden no evidence of that as far as I know
Jonathan I have never used to it but I have seen Drs warning people not used and if you google it you will see many side effects it can causes
Ismail Aden it has no lasting impacts after stopping. Also, DHT is an irrelevant hormone after adolescence
Thank you for asking my prior question about derma rolling
My experience is that hair is pulled out when the hair is wet, where as no hair is its tangled and pulled out by the needles if my hair is dry.
same as me
do u have the solution?
@@samsungaccount1753 Yes, do it in a dry head, not a wet head.
@@Bshipbuilder how long ve u been using this
@@samsungaccount1753 almost a year of microneedling at 1.5mm, but I havent been consistent. Once a week, or three times a month, for several months, and I've seen results. But it requires the repeated wounding to rebuild the cutaneous environment to deliver blood to the hair follicles. Calcification of the skin is a big part of hair loss.
My regime is microneedling, and topical finasteride and minoxidil. I get 5mg finasteride from india, crush the pills and mix it with minoxidil. I apply that once a day for two or three weeks, then take a week or two and just apply minoxidil. My experience with this regimen is that the shedding has absolutely halted. And the hair I have is getting thicker. The microneedling really makes a difference, and it's not a pharmaceutical. So it's something that hurts a little but it's not poison. I use the poisons too but I try to keep my body from becoming totally acclimated to the finasteride.
I swear it doesn't seem like I could go even 1mm into my scalp before hitting bone.
you mean "air"...
hahaha
@SUCKRPUNCHED damn is it working
SUCKRPUNCHED don’t use 2 mm on face
SUCKRPUNCHED how is that going?
CJ P. Haha
So far, these doctors are the only TH-camrs saying that rolling won't work on bald areas.
i had my micro pen at 0,6 so basically i tortured myself for nothing? so sad
Dam I just bought a .25 roller
No, i dont think so. Research suggests and even proves .5 is good enough
What are your thoughts on dermarolling vs a microneedling device? The logic being that the rolling motion creates a long triangular "slit" in your scalp as it's moving longitudinally as well as vertically, whereas a derma pen type of device goes straight in straight out making a "shaft" wound instead. Maybe more wounding = more growth factors? But you have to be careful about scarring and too much damage like you said
Using a derma pen would mean theres less of a chance of it damaging your existing hairs because its more accurate, but the process can take longer
New subscriber here. I'm loving this channel. ❤️
Question: would you use this after showering or before. Also, would you apply minoxidil after a sesh or before?
I heard giving it 24 hours after microneedling not right after to add minox..but I heard after 12 hours you can add oils or other tbing so im assuming the same with shower
I have done my hair transplant 10 years ago; it was fine for a few years. Until one day that other hair are became so thin and bald, then your transplant hair look unsually strong, your whole hair just look unnatural. and if one day you go so bald that you want to shave your head, you will then realized your recipient skin area looks like full of scar, different color to your other scalp color. My conclusion is, your transplanted hair look fine in short, but in long term if you do lose hair nearby, then your hair in overall will just look terrible, and the skin also
great info but what I need to know is how often do someone use the derma roller
Would you recommend getting a derma-pen instead? And if you use a derma-roller, do you need to put the needle all the way in? I bought a derma-roller but it seems really difficult and painful to put the entire needle in. Derma-pens are supposed to be less painful and more effective.
Nman321 dr pen a6 is the best and easiest to use
@@michaels999 I've seen all the reports of good results with a derma-roller. Just wanna make sure that the same or better results happen with a pen
@@nakulgandhi95 use dermastamp instead maybe, I heard it's better than the roller
7:34 Oh so that's why it hurts so much more on the hairline.
So doing it once a week with a dermapen set to 1.5mm, for about 10 minutes, is a good protocol?
When it comes to light therapy, is there any significant difference between LED and Laser?
I can't even roll it on my former hairline, feels like I'm right on bone
I love your show as it has become the bible of hairloss. Finally an honest couple of doctors who want to put how quality info!! By far you are underrated!! One Question: How long of using the derma roller weekly with 1 mm till someone achieves the maximal/optimal hair regrowth benefits?
Once in a week would work best
After getting transplants from my beard and pubic area my hair on my head looked great.i went on to co star in the sitcom Steinfeld as Cosmo Kramer.
Nice, how's everything now? I'm thinking about getting a tranplant because I think the minoxidil/rosemary oil and derma roller is only a temporary solution and it takes too long to see results, I want thick hair again now not in 2 years.
An excellent and very informative video on derma rolling. But both you guys got me confuse about the size of needle used for derma rolling. Do you guys suggest 1mm or 1.5mm needle for an average person?
I have tried myM dermapen, bought it cheap in Philippines for 17 USD, and my hair now looks better than before.
..gud on u man..
Don't go cheap on these ones. There is a great potential for scarring
Axel Andres Amor Chin i understand the concern but those dermapen sold in US are the same dermapen being sold in asia. All are made in china but rebranded. If you watch HAIRLICIOUSLY videos in youtube, he sells rebranded myM dermapen for 4 times the price.
@@GinoObiso I use the Derminator II from Voughner Wellness, 10/10 would buy again
Axel Andres Amor Chin i checked their website and they looked medical grade which is good. Too bad they dont import to Philippines.
Thank you so much, i have couple of questions please, do you prefer Dermastamp than Dermaroller? Aslo what kind of topicals are recommended to apply after? Is it possible to use it everyday at depth of 0.25 to increase penetration of topicals? lastly could you please talk about combining dermarolling with Peppermint and Rosemary oil?
Pen is considered better from the standpoint of fewer and more focused wounds, but I think rollers are just as good. You may want to invest in a pen if you also intend to puncture your face for anti-aging purposes (as a lot of women for example tend to do), since you can modify easily the needle length. No topicals are recommended for the scalp after rolling. However, I continue my regular minoxidil routine 12h after the dermarolling session.
Thanks for the great info! This is exactly what i was searching for. I had a FUE hair transplant more than a year ago but my crown area is still very bold. Therefore I have decided to try minoxidil and derma roller and to record the results on my channel. Hopefully it will work 🙏. Finger crossed!
@Fred Forbes check the video on my channel and you will see how does it look now
Hi there, any updates on your progress?
This Channel is fantastic and has helped me so much
What are the long term effects? Skin condition/quality? Do you need to keep doing this forever?
Why Dr Russell hasn't tried it?
Perhaps he isn’t as vain as the rest of us. All of their videos explain that any of the methods they speak about requiring continuous use in order to be effective. Maybe he just isn’t interested in investing the time needed to see results.
Thank you.. How many minutes do you recommend on each session
@Bruno LaFoure lol
@Bruno LaFoure fool .... if u can’t reply nicely den shut the fuck yo
2 or 3 times a week? I’ve been doing research and people have been stating once a week or once every two weeks
the potency of those option is: monoxidil, microneedling, monoxidil + microneedling (the most potent): Dont do monoxidil alone and try firstly needles alone
thanks for this videos and explanation, still have question how many times per month I use it for hair, and can I use the microneedling pen instead of roll?
Should you avoid derma-rolling if you have scalp psoriasis?
Hi, can I use a derma-pen instead of a roller? (Bonus of using a pen is that I would also control the needle depth).
Pens are better than rollers
@@jayyoda4596 why ?
So, I've been shaving my head to the skin for 8 yrs now... a few months ago, one of my best friends suggested using a homemade remedy of Apple Cidar Vinegar and some oils and water and what d'u know, my entire head is now covered in fine new growth that is thickening week by week! Also, I do a charcoal, bentonite and ground coffee mask all over the top of my head 2-3 times a week and I'm really happy with the results so far. I've supplemented that with some Biotin and collagen gummies and now I'm considering getting a derma-roller. I expect the journey to a complete regrowth to take maybe 1.5-2 yrs but I do believe it'll come right back
Can using a derma roller (1.5 mm or 1.0 mm on thinning areas and areas with miniaturized hair) cause scarring that might interfere with an FUE (or FUT) transplant? Great show by the way, very informative. Thank you for providing it.
If it's too long, or you use it for too long in one go, or too much, then it can cause scarring, dont over do it
Hi Drs. Jayaprakash & Knudsen, first off you both are awesome. I hope you are rolling in clients.
My Q: I derma-roll 1x a week with a sterilized 1.5mm roller post-shower. While I'm on minoxidil, I pause my application for 12 hours after the roll to avoid the possibility of infection. I've heard 24hrs is the shortest I should apply but is 12 enough?
My main motivation is convenience, as I usually apply minoxidil after showers (and roll on the weekend for added time and convenience).
(in case it helps I'm on Norwood scale 3-4, low hairline reduction, but thinning crown and derma roll my crown and hairline for good measure, probably 15 minutes each setting)
Dr Vikram is so handsome!
Gross
Lucas Rothenberger jealous much lol?
Have a few questions if anyone can answer:
1-what’s the best derma roller to use on the head
2-what’s the best size (mm) to use
3-what’s the difference of treatment on using a derma roller on the head for hair loss,and a derma roller for acne on the face
I’m 19 and balding and hair is thinning fast,but I don’t know what derma rollers to get and products with that,
I also want to treat my acne scars with a separate derma roller too,
If anyone can answer any of these it will be appreciated 🙏
Same question
@the hair loss show
Please can you shoot a video on how to properly prepare the head and effectively microneedle with a dermapen for hair growth?
Hello sir (one point of view ) you told that while using dermaroller you might sometimes shedd your hair so, can we use it after cutting the hair like totally, so that it goes deep where we can see the result
It just my sugg. I might be wrong
I am planning to use it about 1 mm to 0.5 mm
Expecting your reply
Thankyou
Excellent channel! Glad I came across this!
Glad to hear it.
For me personally the dermaroller did more for my hair than my minoxidil.
First time i used it though i looked like i came out of a fight with Mike Tyson, all bloodied up. Used way to much pressure.
I can personally vouch for dermarolling, not based on science but sheer anecdotal. I even grew back some of my hairline that i considered an actual deadzone. I've come to terms with the fact i will never have the lucious hair and hairline i had when i was 18. But my hair looks good now, a bit of a high hairline. But i grew it out long and looks great modelled.
Still not ready to go on finasteride. If i notice another decline in my hair, i'll bite that bullet.
What needle size did you use also how many weeks and times per week did you see results? Does it make your hair shed at beginning stages then it makes hair grow?
White size of mm
hate it when these fools dont answer questions after they type a paragraph
@@unknownsource4359 Yeah I agree with you bro. Great comment 😂
@@unknownsource4359
I don't have notifications for comments. That's why this 'fool' did'nt answer.......
Anyway, i use the 0.5mm roller twice a week. Monday morning and friday morning.
Now, 2 years later my hair has not declined and essentially looks the same as 2 years ago.
I've been a Norwwod 7 for 10+ years and started microneedling about 45 days ago, I now have lots of new tiny hairs sprouting up in places I haven't had hair for over 10 years. So you say that once your hair is less than 50% diameter you cant regrow that hair...I say you can regrow hair even if it has stopped growing completely in that area for years, I'm walking proof of that.
P Diddy.. but are you also using finistride an monxidil or strictly derma rolling?
@@justineandserena no actually I used 5% minoxidil on and off 3 weeks but each time I got swollen lymph nodes in my neck and behind my right ear which freaked me out! So I stopped but turns out in some people microneedling can cause temporary swollen lymph nodes. Since I had stopped minox I noticed little new hairs still keep sprouting up so I figured I'll see how much I can grow without minox. since any new hairs will become dependent on it. I only use ketoconazole shampoo 2 times week, nioxin stage 2 shampoo twice/three times a week and I always mix 6 drops of peppermint oil in with both shampoos before applying to my head. I also use CRL peptide hr complex every morning after I do a quick derma roll at 0.3mm. I microneedle @ 1.5mm once a week. I've been bald (Norwood 7) shaved my head since my 20s and got SMP @ 35. Never expected to get any hair back on my head so I didnt want to take fin incase of permanent sides. I have access from my work to a microneedling machine and the peptide hr complex. This was more of an experiment I honestly never expected to see any regrowth on the top of my head and in the medical community it is a rule of thumb that once you go bald the hair is gone for good which I now have to say is false.
@TheHairLossShow
Great video Dr. Jayaprakash and Dr. Knudsen. Could you clarify on 3 points?
1. What length needle would you apply to the temples and the thin area of the forehead, where you'd usually see the 'anger' vein? (given usual depth for scalp is between 1mm - 1.5mm)
2. Is it best to microneedle when you wake up, during the day, before bed or doesn't it matter?
3. Aside from drugs such as minoxidil, is are there any other serums (e.g. rosemary oil) to the scalp, or best leave without?
Thank you very much for your informative videos, love ya!
I used fina for 20 years, minodixil religiously, PRP, cortisone etc. They worked.
But when I started to use Dermaroller, it completely changed my hair!!!
Thanks to DR, I reduced the bald area on my crown and some hair (very few) regrowth on my temples.
I used 1.5 mm DR + castor oil. AMAZING!!!!!!!!
The only problem with DR is that during rolling I broke some hairs. So I skipped to Dermapen.
Now I have two question:
how long should I wait to Dermorolling after hair transplant?
Considering my HT involved only my hairline, can I have dormorolling on the crown as soon as possible?
What about the side effects? Im in the fence of taking finasteride. I'm 25 years old, and started balding at 15 i have a lot of hair yet but it is advancing slowly but surely. Thanks
@@axelvdp1 the sides are very subjective.
I had more sides from dieting down to 6% body fat than from fina
@@raffaelecorrente1123 thanks
How did you use Dr and castor oil? Can you please explain process? Thanks
you can use dermastamp its better and its depth is adjustable also hairs dont get pulled or break
my hair is already growing back thanks to dermarolling and rosemary oil/black castor and peppermint oil
Dont lie
Working for me roller and peppermint oil
How long after did you see results? Also how many times per week were you using it?
@@gary36104 How long after did you see results? Also how many times per week were you using it?
@@r.k862 probably 5 to 6 months. First month twice a week then once a week will keep doing it for thicker results
Nice to see an Indian guy👍🏻👍🏻
I have a question a women with facial hair would derma rolling be a good suggestion
Hmm i saw a guy on another video after 1 year of using 0.25 mm and had excellent results.
Bald area or just thinning area? Thanks.
I saw that vid, too . But he did a lot more then just use the derma roll , used biotin shampoo, and pills , or gummy’s . But true tho dude he did get his hair back , Jose rios , was the dude,
How often should we do this? I know you said maybe 2-3x per week, but like for how long, indefinitely? And how long would a typical microneedling session take? Thanks for the info either way!
About 2 minutes.
Im going to a dermatologist and she is hitting the hairline for me with long ass needling. She has done lots of research on this and wanted to try it out with me over the year. I just finished my first session with her. Every 4 weeks ill be getting this done. Hopefully this works or ill be heading to Kenya to get a hair transplant. Since a good doctor there will cost me around 2500 to fill in the temples. Hopefully I do not need to do this and going to the dermatologist for face and hairline shows amazing results. I will not put Minoxidil on my hair until tomorrow night.
Nobody cares.
@@wanik4 You cared enough to respond, so thank you. 🤗
@@Inf7cted did it work ??
@@jemand7488 yeah it did. Middle front hairline was narrow and then filled back out some. I was told this process can take up to a year to see full gains.
@@Inf7cted what is the size of the needles ? Ive been using 1 mm with little to no results