I don't trust a word that comes out of that excuse of a king, father and husband. Look at how he approaches Odysseus during the previous song, the inconsistency... And then, there's the fact he can't force his subjects to accept Troy fell. It's like Kratos said: "Gods are petty and pathetic. And your rule is weak.".
@@JabamiLainZeus IS such an ahole, this is Not AS Bad AS "Favorit so'n" from "the Mechanisms" WHO managed to make him even worse of an ahole thenhe worse in the myth, but ist's a Close call . . .Just His describtion of the Babe and how missleading IT IS, then His O do Not think you can do IT, edging him on but also knowing, that Odysseus can Not bear what He asks of him, but demanding IT all the Same and then the BS of ITS the will of the gods, like He was Not their fucking ruler . . .
Zeus was not the one to tell Odysseus to do that. And every god in ancient mythologies, including the israelite God, where like that, demanding gruesome things, the greek gods where not the only ones.
I absolutely will always love the double meaning behind "A foe who won't run, unlike anyone you have faced before." and how it foreshadows in a way that Odysseus has to kill an infant.
I don't trust a word that comes out of that excuse of a king, father and husband. Look at how he approaches Odysseus, the inconsistency... And then, there's the fact he can't force his subjects to accept Troy fell. It's like Kratos said: "Gods are petty and pathetic. And your rule is weak.".
It can also be foresight for the cyclops. It couldn't fight back but when Athena told him to finish it he let his humanity kick in and said no which was a stab to the will of the gods since he forgets she is a god. And because of his mercy he had to deal with Poseidon who became an avenger because of his son's cries.
I really like your choice to depict the child as a monstrous, beast-like thing when he grows up. Like Odysseus is trying to dehumanize him to justify murdering him....
I always interpreted it as Odysseus asking hinself if this child will truly be his undoing if he grows up Like no matter what he does he will find kut and kill everyonenhe loves , sort of a way to talk himself up to doing the unthinkable @@RayGainbows
I don't really think so. If he'd let the son life, the gods who supported troy would definitly convince the child to revenge his family. It might not be Zeus will, but it's still the will of other gods.
Zeus didn't participate in this at all. He was neutral during the Trojan War and he didn't allow the other gods participate either. They did in secret and after Aphrodite was injured by Diomedes, Zeus made them all retire from the war.
@@locusta-bw2vd But, it seems that no matter what Odysseus tries to say he could do to not kill the child, Zeus counters. What tips me off is the two lines; “The Gods will make him know.” And “This is the will of the Gods.” It seems he could let Odysseus do this, but Zeus wants the child dead.
@@prestonstanley7736 It wasn't the will of the gods in the original myth. The gods who supported Greek victory over Troy cursed the Greeks to have a difficult way back home because they broke the rules. They did not respect the temples as refugee shelters, they dragged out women and children who had sought shelter in the temples, they raped and killed (rape of Cassandra, murder of Astyanax). And they got punished for it.
@@prestonstanley7736thing is Zeus is not an omnipotent, omniscient god. Some of the gods supported Troy, others did Greece. Zeus is neutral. And he cant truly prevent some of the gods from doing what he warns from, as they will do it in secret whatever he says
Neo being a psycho covered in blood...that made the name finally click. It's Neoptolemus. Loved the dynamics of that rap. and the whisp that's the vision
@ilikedinosaurs392 He is the son of Achilles, who was also known as Pyrrhus, meaning "Red". He was brought to fight in the Trojan War by Odysseus because the prophecy said they could only win with poisonous arrows of Heracles, the stealing the Palladium and bringing teen Neo to the war. Edit: clicked too early LOL. Here is the rest: Neo took after his father, and in some sources was said to be hella brutal of a killer, killing at least 5 big names in the war and rumored to be ruthless. But there are some sources where he carries out killing someone, making sure to kill them painlessly.
Not really. The gods who supported Troy coming to the boy and saying “hey you wanna kill the man who killed your daddy?” is entirely within the realm of possibility. Most of the gods did pick a side and some did actively participate in the war after all.
I think it depends on how you raise the kid. The Gods will tell him, well than I tell him myself you dumbass. I will love and cherish him and tell him that I chose to raise him instead of giving in to a god's will. That I love him and that I'm sorry that his biological parents had been in a war with us and how desperate every soldier is to protect their home. That I see him as my son even if he had different parent. If he was raised by love why should he avenge a father he can't even remember? Hell, I'll raise him to chose for himself and not because some gods tell him something he already knows I raise my middlefinger to Zeus because he clearly has no understanding how LOVE works. The man who sleeps with every beautiful woman regardless how she feels can 't tell me that the way of raising a child of love can make an enemy Love, information, no secrets and just symphaty are the keys. And to be fair, for the gods it will be a bad tale but for humans? I would live for that. But well Odysseus tried at least with the idea but didn't believe enough in it. PS: "The blood on your hands is something you won't lose. All you can choose is whose" Zeus, I bleed every month with pain don't come me with this info. Because Iwill chose yours. And throw a party with Hades for trying lol
@@Gioppdumister odysseus didnt kill his dad though, i thought achilles did or im just wrong but still that just makes them look like they dont rlly care
And how you made Zeus appear as an eagle like Athena is an owl BECAUSE THOSE ARE THEIR ANIMALS?! The consistent attention to detail is just immaculate!
@@ΣοφοκληςΒλαχόπουλος-ι9ν I think there is a creature which is an aquatic horse in Greek mythology. And also, he's a god, he could turn into a horse that looks normal but walks on water or something.
"Hey, does anyone else here the horse singing?" "Why would a horse be singing, you dolt? Go back to sleep." *At happens* "I told there was someone in that horse!"
People make Little Ajax look so cute, when he was actually one of the greatest Greek warriors, just not as superhuman of a soldier as "Big Ajax". Then during this depicted sack of Troy he dragged Cassandra away from where she clung to the statue of Athena in the temple, and SA'd her. This enraged Athena, who caused many of their ships to sink on the way home and ultimately hit him with a lightning bolt.
THE ATTENTION TO DETAIL. THIS IS ASTOUNDING. The feeling you can see in Odysseus, Zeus being in the clouds, the preview when Odysseus is assigning jobs to his men...wow. I'm always so impressed by your work but this..holy hell. Another beautiful production gigi.
Some of them do. Keep in mind 99% of them aren't from Ithica. 1000 ships sailed to Troy of 12 of which were from Ithica. It's why you never see the named soldiers in this song again. They're sailing to different parts of Greece.
@@Soli_strawberryI mean most off them still didn't, Agamemnon was killed as sune as he got home. Littel ajax got killed one sea(deserved). Teucer got kicked out off home. Same gosed for Diomdes
Every time I hear Zeus say: “This is the will of the Gods…” I remember the words of Pathos Verdes III: “Once a faithful servant of the cruel and uncaring gods…” Also, how Odysseus steps back in sheer horror at 3:03 when Zeus tells him: “if you don’t end him now, you will have no one left to save…”
For me it's a kind of equality: Zeus lets Odysseus choose his destiny by telling him information. The choice is then in his hands. It will be the same for Astyanax (the baby) if he grows up. I don't know if I can express my thoughts well but in my head this situation makes sense. The gods see what could happen and have the habit of intervening all the time in human affairs...
EYO YOU DIDNT HAVE TO MAKE HECTOR'S SON SO BABY MODE LIKE, IT REALLY SHOVES IT IN YOUR FACE THAT THIS IS JUST A *CHILD* THAT ODYSSEUS IS BEING TOLD TO KILL 10/10
What I think is very ironic is that Odysseus offered to raise him as his own (valid plan imo) but Zeus said the gods would "make him know". So the gods would inform the child of everything probably just to fulfill thw prophecy. Cause they're mostly divine garbage bins with bad temperments.
I’m also in love with that part😂 this whole video is perfectly made❤ I honestly think that if they make an animated version of this musical, this person should be put in charge of it. Cuz I would watch it many many many times
I had the Iliad as assigned reading in ninth grade, and I really liked it. I had to write an essay on a topic in it after reading, and I wrote about the weapons used. After that, my English teacher made me pick from a set of prompts.
@@ilikedinosaurs392 she was very glad she did that when we covered Pride and Prejudice, which I described as "regency Kardashians." That essay ended up being an attempt to figure out why Elizabeth and Darcy ended up liking each other.
@@metarcee2483 . . .hate to Break IT to you, but pride and prejudice IS nothing Like regency kardashians . . .AS someone WHO hates 99.99 procent of all romance this IS one of very few intelligent and reasonable approaches to romance and belivable misunderstandings
SO MANY THINGS! You actually put the Trojan horse You forshadowed what the characters would do during the battle The EXPRESSIONS are absolutely BEAUTIFUL! The Penelope and Telemachus flashback was expertly done (Penelope looks GORGEOUS!) All the details like Odysseus blowing out the torch and twirling his sword in anticipation were so cool! You actually included a battle scene ZEUS first in the clouds and then in his signature animal the eagle watching from the window The EXPRESSIONS on baby Astyanax are so CUTE Odysseus' internal conflict was done really well. Zeus fading away at the end of the song along with his voice The ANIMATION in general was so SMOOTH This entire thing was absolute FIRE 🔥🔥🔥🔥 Earned my sub in anticipation for more Epic
That vision scene leading to the infant was EXACTLY as I imagined it; the aspiration of grown-up Asyntax striking Odysseus, the eagle leading to the vision of Zeus with a cloudy beard, Odysseus walking down a dark hallway as mist leads him to the room, an EPIC panning shot as Odysseus proposes ways to spare the kid, Zeus disappearing so Odysseus can’t argue with him-INCREDIBLE. I was gonna do an animatic for it, but now I may not have to.
3:15 I love how here he tries to find every reason to not kill the baby. He offers to raise him, send him away, do anything but kill him. It’s such a horrible position to be in, on one hand he will grow up to do horrible things but on the other, maybe he could save him before he turns into that.
The camera sweeping around him during "I can raise him as my own" is SOOO incredible. Absolutely gave me chills. But I love everything about this. The way you use the light at the beginning. That you zoom out to the horse's eye during "slay" is so cool, so menacing. Love how you depict all the different tasks he gives everyone. And oh my oh my how beautiful is Penelope? I mean I'm obsessed with your Ody as well! Aaahhh just love it!
AHHHHH this was so good, fucking love the way you portray Odysseus's turmoil and the way you drew Astyanax grown up not as looking like a human, but like a monster which ngl would fit "when does a man become a monster" part in Just a Man
Anyone else now re listening/watching epic now it’s finished? 😭 kinda sad but I love epic so much and can’t wait to see what jorge creates for us next 🖤
Might be completely off the mark, but was Odysseus removing his helmet in front of Astyanax intended as a parallel to Iliad book 6? Hector removes his helmet in front of Astyanax, both because it’s scares him and to symbolise Hector’s duality: there is Hector the warrior and Hector the family man. In having Odysseus do the same, alongside the lyrics that emphasise his paternal instincts, it could be read as a deliberate comparison of the two. This idea is kind of furthered by Odysseus’ motivation for killing Astyanax: to protect his family, which was Hector’s entire motivation for fighting in the Iliad. There is also the brilliant irony of Odysseus ending what Hector fought so hard to save in order to protect his own wife and son. I think all this proves is that Classics A Level morphed my brain and the damage is permanent
What's interesting about the song and prophecy is that Ancient Greeks believed one cannot prevent fate. Meaning that Odysseus can't change what will happen to him... But also like the Ancient Greeks they would argue different meanings of the stories. Hence why Library Alexandria had a ton of commentary of the meaning Illiad. Since we don't know what happens after Odysseus gets home... We may not know which version of Odysseus action will be in indulging or turning away, because this is the Musical interpretation of the story. And things often have been reframed. But that's my two cents.
@@renamami Interesting, actually never heard of that ending. And looking it up it appears Odysseus dies like a chump about cattle. And in another I looked up he died of old age. I was more pointing out the story changes with each new author. Story beats stay the same but some myths (and plays) change wildly. I know in the next song, to me at least, it is unclear if he goes through with it or not. And we might not know unless its performed on stage, or kept vague for interpretation.
I love the way you show emotion and i love how you portray Odysseus begging to Zeus to have him do anything else but kill this child. You can see how he doesn't want to do it and the way his emotion is portrayed is beautiful. I love how he throws his sword and gets on his knees while trying to give other choices instead of killing him. He really doesn't want to hurt the boy. Zeus is telling him what will happen who will get hurt but Odysseus still has refusal in his eyes. Zeus is telling him that the people he cares most for will get hirt but Odysseus cares so much he can't bring himself to do it. He has to make a choice.
this is actually perfect. The historically accurate gown and the swords! You actually started in the horse! The way you showed every dude in the intro in battle! Not to mention the quality of animation! this is easily my favorite Horse and the Infant animatic of all of them
@@San-san6499if you read the song of Achilles son was just omg. I like how perfectly someone said it because they said, Neo is what Achilles would’ve turned into without Patroclus.
You were able to breathe so much character and epth into Odysseus, alongside the phenomenal song. Odysseus has always been my favorite Greek hero, and you've only cemented that. I wouldn't say it's a problem per say, but a lot of Greek myths rarely really went into the psychology of the characters. We never see how the war effected Odysseus, or how the loss of his men did, but this depicts him as a genuine intelligent, promising man corrupted and led astray by the whims of selfish, destructive gods and their petty disputes.
3:44 It seems to me that the female voice singing along with Zeus belongs to Athena. Could this be a reference to a line from a deleted song This is the way?
Hey! This is the first time I've clicked on anything related to EPIC the musical, I don't know what it's about (except that it has to do with Greek myths) but this animatic has had me crying for the past 5 minutes. I was watching it for the very first time, and at first I was so excited because "omg, the trojan war!!!" and odysseus was hyping everybody up and i was like "omg !!! this is so fun!!!!" but then the what do you fight for // penelope // thelemacus part came on and I started tearing up and getting goosebumps, and by the time the song ended I was full-on bawling!! So, yeah. I just wanted to let you know that I think your work is so incredible!! Even without context your work got real emotions out of me haha
Okay, i love it. The camera mouvement when Odysseus try to negociate with Zeus ("i will raise him as my own") is PERFECT. So dramatic, really feel the whole tragedy of this moment. Great job I love your work !!
okay, this is the first song i've heard from this musical but lemme tell you. my hyperfixation is flaring. the music has the type of vibes hamilton did but with the added glory of pantheon nerd joy! this is everything to me. you're animatic just made it so much better!!!
no because this is by far the best iteration of this song!!! the horse?? zeus in the clouds??? ody knocking down the door and realizing it's a baby?? MWAH PERFECTION
This, this is just so incredible! One of the things I like most about seeing the different animatics to these songs is the different approach each one takes: The preparations inside of the horse, Zeus being in the clouds\the clouds and the mist leading Odysseus, and something about the fact Astyanax being awake and looking at him - just made it so much more devastating! This is so good!
Am I the only one who had to look up Diomedes and then question how he doesn’t have specific stories about him? The man wounded two gods and Zeus stepped in banning gods from appearing on the battlefield anymore.
The messed up part of all this if he adopts the child and changes his name and raised him on his own. One of the Greek gods will find away to manipulate the kid into becoming Troys avenger. Because this entire war was just that manipulation of the gods.
@@magniwalterbutnotwaltermag1479 Okay yea, but Aphrodite’s the one who 1) promised Paris the love of the most beautiful woman in the world and 2) failed to mention that she was married, possibly affecting Paris’s choice when he chose to give her the apple.
Diomedes was such an absolute legend, nearly killed Aphrodite son by throwing a boulder at him and ever attacked Aphrodite herself when she came to rescue her boy.
the detail!!! the way you drew Zeus and how you portrayed him!! and UGH THE WAY ODYSSEUS WAS DRAWN like he was mentally ready until he realized “Oh it’s an infant!! no harm!!” And then the DREAD ON HIS FACE
Dang, moments like this remind me that Zeus was not a very just or kind figure. Someone once told me that there was something in Homer’s works that indicated Zeus wanted the Trojan War to happen to…basically clear the board of demigod heroes, mainly those descended from him, for fear of them overthrowing him in a repeat of the Titanomachy. So him not only pointing Odysseus’ fear and paranoia at an innocent child, but making it clear that he’d make sure that child turned into a threat even if Odysseus did his best to avoid that, seems entirely in character for any version of him that isn’t made family friendly.
I love how when it says, “The blood on your hands is something you won’t lose, all you can choose is whose.” It’s implying no matter what someone is dying, either the infant or everyone he loves.
Breakdown of the other characters in this song. Because why not? 0:35 Diomedes is one of the great Greek heroes of the Trogan war. Like Odysseus, he's one of Athena's most favored warriors. He lead the inital Greek attack in the Illiad. Which was initially quite sucessfull. He even managed to injure Aries and Aphrodite with Athena's help. But he was shot in the foot by Paris and had to withdraw from the fighting for a while after that. 0:37 Agamemnon leader of the Greek army. He's a bit of cunt is responsible for most of the problems the Greek army faces in the Illiad. But he does go through some serious character development in the Illiad and becomes a lot more humble, brave, and selfless. He starts fighting on the front lines, listening to others, ect. To little to late though because his wife stabs him to death when he gets home. Turns out going through character development 10 years later doesn't give you a free pass to sacrifice your daughter. 0:40 Menelaus is Hellen's original husband. They get remarried after the war and pretty much live happily ever after. 0:43 Tucer is probably the greatest archer on the Greek side. "Ajax the Greater" and "Ajax the Lessor" are his brothers. His older brother "Ajax the Greater" tragically killed himself in the war. And his father refused to let him return home after the war for failing to retrieve his body. 0:45 Ajax is not a kid or particularly small. He's called "little Ajax" here because he's Ajax the lessor. While is older brother (RIP) is Ajax the greater. The two Ajax brothers were essentially the Greek army's reserve. Responsible for defending retreats, counter attacking and defending the ships. Super important job. That's likely what "hold back" is a refernce to. The Ajax's essentially watching the Greek army's back. Lesser Ajax went on to piss off almost every god. And after her survived his first smiting. He then went on to boast about how not even the gods could kill him. Making him get smited for a second time. Turns out they could kill him. 0:48 Nester is a old dude who loves going on long winded expositions about how great he use to be. To anyone who will listen. 0:50 Neo is Alchillies son. Known for being a bit of a pychopath. He gets murdered some years after the Trogan war.
Another moment that just makes this more of a gutpunch is if you know *why* Odysseus is here in the first place. It is... Kinda his own fault, as during the original marriage of Hellen, he was the one who suggested the vow that if someone basically went against this marriage every other suitor would have to go to war to get her back to her husband (he did this to Hellen's father so that Odysseus could get an in on Penelope). However... He tried to dodge the vow. He pretended to be insane. I think it was something like sowing salt in an already barren field. Agememnon responds by threatening Telemecus, which has Odysseus drop the act and gets him forced into this war. *He's here because someone threatened his infant son*. And as we do get a nice visual from gigi... Even if intellectually he knows that Telemecus is now a boy of about eleven or twelve, the last time he saw him, held him, knew him was *as an infant*.
This is amazing! I especially love the moment at 1:45 - I've always wondered what might happen in that scene and this is just the perfect explanation! Also how Odysseus is led to the infant's room by Zeus is such an interesting approach, I have not seen that in any other animatic to this song yet. It is very well made!
At 3:30, the visual story telling where you use the crib to make it appear as if Zeus' eagle is sitting on a throne. Beautiful. Amazing. This animatic deserves so much more attention oml
you included an ARC SHOT in this! that is my favorite camera technique be cuase it has so many different meanings depending on how you do it! the way you did it here, 3:16, successfully conveyed the desperation of Odyssyus, pleading, begging, and searching for another way that this could end. Well done!!
3:35 Ody, he's not making you do anything, he is telling you what will happen, now if you want your wife to live then no really you HAVE to kill him, but Prince Hector's fate is in your hands, not any of the gods. Zeus is just....politely persuading....
Little Ajax has me rolling on the floor. There’s Teucer really concentrated and then lesser Ajax pops up with not a single thought behind those eyes. I also love how we all agree he’s some small child, despite knowing the opposite is the case 😂
Brought literal tears to my eyes, you visualized what I've been imagining for a long time, Im a little late to see this because i didn't think it had been animated but i think you did a great job!
Agamemnon flanking the guards is the most beautiful thing I've ever seen, the way he just barrels into them is incredible. And of course Little Ajax is hilarious as well.
Amazing animatic as always! You are so good at portraying feeling in all of your art. I love how smooth all the tramsitions were for the whole "giving the roles" thing (Agamemnon will flank the guards part). The part where Odyseous is pleading with Zeus is just- chef's kiss. Your animatics always make me love the songs way more than I would if I had only listened to the audio. The art/visuals you do always add so much life and emotion into the song!
*This is officially the best one I’ve watched.* The others people are producing are good, but they don’t have nearly as much vision and dynamism as yours!! You’re so skilled, amazing job!!!
I think this moment decided the rest of the journey back to Ithaca, this here was Odysseus choosing ruthlessness, to prioritize his survival before anything else, and the rest of the quest was the remarking and consequences of this display: The Cyclops, Aeolus, Circe, Poseidon, every time he tried to choose mercy he was punished because he had already sold his soul, he didn't commit to his decision and that's why fate kept him from reaching home until he developed the resolve equivalent to commiting an act of monstruosity, he kept insisting on how unchanged he was, on his purity and perfection, and for that, and only after accepting his actions, he came back to Ithaca a failure.
I never imagined the infant to have hair, or as much as you gave it. And the eyes!! He looked so innocent and curious, like a baby would! Idk how but it really punched me in the gut because the child really LOOKED like a human instead of a red potato
"Menelaus will let our way through the gates to take the whole city at large" menelaus: yes... "Teucer will shoot any ambush attack" teucer: let's gooooo "and little ajax will stay back" ajax: excuse me wtf?
God whenever I hear him still defy the idea of killing the baby-even when the literal gods tell him his family is in danger if he won’t- I can’t help but cry. Who could fault him for that? Who could do something so awful?
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i love this song
“Sir I think the horse is singing”
“I ThInK tHe HoRsE iS sInGiNg do you hear how stupid you are soldier?”
"Gods dammit, we already have someone that tells stupidities, where's Cassandre now?"
"Yeah, shut up Cassandra!"
"No, Cassandra, horses don't 💅🏻slay💅🏻"
Do we need to put you in the cellar again
Lmao Cassandra just dooming Troy because she points out the horse has a full on chant chorus going
"A foe who won't run" punches you in the chest when you realize it's a baby
I don't trust a word that comes out of that excuse of a king, father and husband. Look at how he approaches Odysseus during the previous song, the inconsistency...
And then, there's the fact he can't force his subjects to accept Troy fell. It's like Kratos said:
"Gods are petty and pathetic. And your rule is weak.".
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@@JabamiLainjudging ancient religious figures by today's moral standards is stupid and you're stupid for doing so.
@@JabamiLainZeus IS such an ahole, this is Not AS Bad AS "Favorit so'n" from "the Mechanisms" WHO managed to make him even worse of an ahole thenhe worse in the myth, but ist's a Close call . . .Just His describtion of the Babe and how missleading IT IS, then His O do Not think you can do IT, edging him on but also knowing, that Odysseus can Not bear what He asks of him, but demanding IT all the Same and then the BS of ITS the will of the gods, like He was Not their fucking ruler . . .
@@timtimothy5405I can agree to that in regards to Odysseus, but not for Zeus.
"The blood on your hands is something you won't lose
All you can choose is whose"
That hit hard
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@@afellowpotato This is the way
The gods telling someone to kill a child and then cursing them for it is such a Greek gods thing to do
And they will also curse you if your didn't kill him. There's no winning with these gods
Lmao real
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Zeus was not the one to tell Odysseus to do that.
And every god in ancient mythologies, including the israelite God, where like that, demanding gruesome things, the greek gods where not the only ones.
The Greek gods are in this content. We don't need to compare all the gods in existance to enjoy and talk about them. @@sonofcronos7831
My favourite part about these animatics is that Penelope always looks different and yet she's always the most beautiful woman I've ever seen
In his mind, that's what she was to Odysseus.
@fredfry5100 I'm just saying I'm _gay_ and sad this musical is basically 70 reasons I would fail
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idk why but these replies made me chuckle lol
I absolutely will always love the double meaning behind "A foe who won't run, unlike anyone you have faced before." and how it foreshadows in a way that Odysseus has to kill an infant.
I don't trust a word that comes out of that excuse of a king, father and husband. Look at how he approaches Odysseus, the inconsistency...
And then, there's the fact he can't force his subjects to accept Troy fell. It's like Kratos said:
"Gods are petty and pathetic. And your rule is weak.".
@@JabamiLain what do you mean previous song
@@venuasaur560 I fixed the comment.
It can also be foresight for the cyclops. It couldn't fight back but when Athena told him to finish it he let his humanity kick in and said no which was a stab to the will of the gods since he forgets she is a god. And because of his mercy he had to deal with Poseidon who became an avenger because of his son's cries.
And the fact Odysseus was most likely thinking about a powerful warrior and definitely not a baby hits hard 😭
I really like your choice to depict the child as a monstrous, beast-like thing when he grows up. Like Odysseus is trying to dehumanize him to justify murdering him....
I mean, was kinda right@Princessallstar365
Its also cool because the later line "when does a man become a monster" makes me think of Hectors son too. not only Odysseus.
I always interpreted it as Odysseus asking hinself if this child will truly be his undoing if he grows up
Like no matter what he does he will find kut and kill everyonenhe loves , sort of a way to talk himself up to doing the unthinkable @@RayGainbows
Good point. As Zeus says, the other gods won't let him not become the avenger of troy. Eventually it will happen. @@RayGainbows
Massive respect to anyone who can fit “Telemachus” into a song.
Lol agreed prompts to them
And he did it twice
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Let me help and yeah this animatic is awesome, I can't wait till the circe and underworld sagas come out
You brought my awareness to the little baby, so I appreciate you acknowledge his sweet, new life… l
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"um sir the giant wooden horse is singing about how to take over the city," some random trojan solder to his commander.
The Commander “the hades you on about go go in the lying conner with Cassandra"
na it was probably aeneas 💀💀💀
@@lilamurilega9583he’s a fucking snitch
Landon and his sons literally died for saying that.
@@apollotheoffical"yes sir...:(" the soldier said sadly as he then walked over and sat down pitifully beside Cassandra.
Odysesus: Having a crisis
The baby: Vibing
The babybws just there. Wondering what was haappening 😭
Zeus saying “this is the will of the gods” is the ultimate gaslighting moment
I don't really think so. If he'd let the son life, the gods who supported troy would definitly convince the child to revenge his family. It might not be Zeus will, but it's still the will of other gods.
Zeus didn't participate in this at all. He was neutral during the Trojan War and he didn't allow the other gods participate either. They did in secret and after Aphrodite was injured by Diomedes, Zeus made them all retire from the war.
@@locusta-bw2vd But, it seems that no matter what Odysseus tries to say he could do to not kill the child, Zeus counters. What tips me off is the two lines; “The Gods will make him know.” And “This is the will of the Gods.” It seems he could let Odysseus do this, but Zeus wants the child dead.
@@prestonstanley7736 It wasn't the will of the gods in the original myth. The gods who supported Greek victory over Troy cursed the Greeks to have a difficult way back home because they broke the rules. They did not respect the temples as refugee shelters, they dragged out women and children who had sought shelter in the temples, they raped and killed (rape of Cassandra, murder of Astyanax). And they got punished for it.
@@prestonstanley7736thing is Zeus is not an omnipotent, omniscient god. Some of the gods supported Troy, others did Greece. Zeus is neutral. And he cant truly prevent some of the gods from doing what he warns from, as they will do it in secret whatever he says
“A foe who won’t run unlike anyone you have faced before”
AND ITS JUST A BABY I WAS OVER HERE THINKING IT WAS SOME HELLA TUFF GUY 😭😭😭😭
LMAO SAME😭
LMAOOOO AND SAME WITH THE CIRCE THING😭
''A foe who won't run''
Me: Like a guy who's not afraid to die and will give his all?
Jorge: *An infant*
So did Odysseus 😭
Neo being a psycho covered in blood...that made the name finally click. It's Neoptolemus. Loved the dynamics of that rap. and the whisp that's the vision
Same! It took me awhile though 😅
Same 🙈
As someone who's just finished the song of Achilles I'm loving the sing even more
What did Neoptolemus do?
@ilikedinosaurs392 He is the son of Achilles, who was also known as Pyrrhus, meaning "Red". He was brought to fight in the Trojan War by Odysseus because the prophecy said they could only win with poisonous arrows of Heracles, the stealing the Palladium and bringing teen Neo to the war.
Edit: clicked too early LOL. Here is the rest:
Neo took after his father, and in some sources was said to be hella brutal of a killer, killing at least 5 big names in the war and rumored to be ruthless. But there are some sources where he carries out killing someone, making sure to kill them painlessly.
you can't convince me that they just didnt want him to do it for their entertainment cause, "The gods will make him know" is crazy
Not really. The gods who supported Troy coming to the boy and saying “hey you wanna kill the man who killed your daddy?” is entirely within the realm of possibility.
Most of the gods did pick a side and some did actively participate in the war after all.
I think it depends on how you raise the kid. The Gods will tell him, well than I tell him myself you dumbass. I will love and cherish him and tell him that I chose to raise him instead of giving in to a god's will. That I love him and that I'm sorry that his biological parents had been in a war with us and how desperate every soldier is to protect their home. That I see him as my son even if he had different parent.
If he was raised by love why should he avenge a father he can't even remember? Hell, I'll raise him to chose for himself and not because some gods tell him something he already knows
I raise my middlefinger to Zeus because he clearly has no understanding how LOVE works. The man who sleeps with every beautiful woman regardless how she feels can 't tell me that the way of raising a child of love can make an enemy
Love, information, no secrets and just symphaty are the keys.
And to be fair, for the gods it will be a bad tale but for humans? I would live for that.
But well Odysseus tried at least with the idea but didn't believe enough in it.
PS: "The blood on your hands is something you won't lose. All you can choose is whose" Zeus, I bleed every month with pain don't come me with this info. Because Iwill chose yours. And throw a party with Hades for trying lol
@@tktsunami6236While that's possible, knowing Greek tragedy rules it would have never ended well.
Tbh, yeah. Even if he chose Odysseus, he'd probably get offed by some avenging Troy soldier for betraying his blood father or smth
@@Gioppdumister odysseus didnt kill his dad though, i thought achilles did
or im just wrong
but still that just makes them look like they dont rlly care
And how you made Zeus appear as an eagle like Athena is an owl BECAUSE THOSE ARE THEIR ANIMALS?! The consistent attention to detail is just immaculate!
Is Poseidon gonna be a dolphin lmao 🤣
@@ΣοφοκληςΒλαχόπουλος-ι9ν Doesn't a lyric say "The pack of wolves is swimming with the shark now" otherwise it would have to be a horse
@@ΣοφοκληςΒλαχόπουλος-ι9ν He should be a horse, that was his animal.
@@tarniabook3076 I know but how is he going to appear to Odysseus as a horse? Since he is on the sea
@@ΣοφοκληςΒλαχόπουλος-ι9ν I think there is a creature which is an aquatic horse in Greek mythology. And also, he's a god, he could turn into a horse that looks normal but walks on water or something.
Imagine you’re a sleeping Trojan and you get woken by some Greek belting his heart out inside a wooden horse.
I guess the acoustics must be good.
"Hey, does anyone else here the horse singing?"
"Why would a horse be singing, you dolt? Go back to sleep."
*At happens*
"I told there was someone in that horse!"
To be fair, they all party so hard that the Trojans were all drunk out their minds… so a singing wooden horse isn’t too much 😂
00:17 "We'll be the ones to Slaayyyyyy~~~~~~ 💅"
Period.
I can’t listen to this song without saying slay like that ahaha
I knew someone would say this eventually
People make Little Ajax look so cute, when he was actually one of the greatest Greek warriors, just not as superhuman of a soldier as "Big Ajax". Then during this depicted sack of Troy he dragged Cassandra away from where she clung to the statue of Athena in the temple, and SA'd her. This enraged Athena, who caused many of their ships to sink on the way home and ultimately hit him with a lightning bolt.
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Holy sh-t
@@VFM_ofYa “little Ajax” was also known as Ajax the Lesser. Odysseus even suggested he be put to death because he knew Athena was going to be pissed.
Athena taking zeos lighting bolt like "dad, let me hit this mudeficker-"
Nah, I support Athena on this one, fuck Little Ajax
THE ATTENTION TO DETAIL. THIS IS ASTOUNDING. The feeling you can see in Odysseus, Zeus being in the clouds, the preview when Odysseus is assigning jobs to his men...wow. I'm always so impressed by your work but this..holy hell. Another beautiful production gigi.
Having a fire in a wooden horse though might have been an oversight 😝
@@amynguyen527 I was thinking that 😂
“Ten years of war they killed us slowly… but now we’ll be the ones to 💅slay💅”
FR THATS THE FIRST THING I THOUGHT OF LMAO
I WAS GOING TO SAY THAT LOL
I WAS SEARCHING FOR A COMMENT LIKE THIS
DIABETES WILL LEAD THE CHARGE!
I legitimately can’t sing that part of the song without doing a girlie girl slay pose
I'm just going to focus on how adorably cute and hilarious little Ajax is, otherwise I'll just be bawling 😭🤣
imma bout to end thus mans whole career.....
did you know that Little Ajax dies too-
@@SIMPLY_GJ I mean, I'm aware Odysseus is the only one who survives back home sooo... 😄
@@Random_Kelsey Little Ajax no more-
@@SIMPLY_GJ yours simply not going to get em to ball g just accept the gamer over screen
@@Random_Kelsey menelaus does as well!, he and Helen actually have a happy ending
You know it hits differrent when odysseus is telling the soldiers to fight so they can see their families agian and realizing they never get to.😢
Some of them do. Keep in mind 99% of them aren't from Ithica. 1000 ships sailed to Troy of 12 of which were from Ithica.
It's why you never see the named soldiers in this song again. They're sailing to different parts of Greece.
@James--Parker oh ok thanks for explaining😅.This makes me feel way more relieved!
@@Soli_strawberryI mean most off them still didn't, Agamemnon was killed as sune as he got home. Littel ajax got killed one sea(deserved). Teucer got kicked out off home. Same gosed for Diomdes
Every time I hear Zeus say: “This is the will of the Gods…” I remember the words of Pathos Verdes III: “Once a faithful servant of the cruel and uncaring gods…”
Also, how Odysseus steps back in sheer horror at 3:03 when Zeus tells him: “if you don’t end him now, you will have no one left to save…”
the "Cruel and uncaring gods" hits harder after "I'll make sure his past is never know" is followed by "The gods will make him know"
This is why I am Christian. Why the heck would you follow someone who's rooting against you?
@@fernandonava6693I mean, the Christian God’s record isn’t spotlessly clean either.
For me it's a kind of equality: Zeus lets Odysseus choose his destiny by telling him information. The choice is then in his hands. It will be the same for Astyanax (the baby) if he grows up. I don't know if I can express my thoughts well but in my head this situation makes sense. The gods see what could happen and have the habit of intervening all the time in human affairs...
@@fernandonava6693
didn't like the Old Testament, if you were born with unmarried parents you go to hell no matter what and so will your children too?
Obsessed with how you had Odysseus take his helmet off to look at Asyntax , when in the Iliad he didn't recognize his dad Hector because of his helmet
EYO YOU DIDNT HAVE TO MAKE HECTOR'S SON SO BABY MODE
LIKE, IT REALLY SHOVES IT IN YOUR FACE THAT THIS IS JUST A *CHILD* THAT ODYSSEUS IS BEING TOLD TO KILL
10/10
What I think is very ironic is that Odysseus offered to raise him as his own (valid plan imo) but Zeus said the gods would "make him know". So the gods would inform the child of everything probably just to fulfill thw prophecy. Cause they're mostly divine garbage bins with bad temperments.
The gods were split during the Trojan War. Those on the Troy side would have wanted vengeance for Troy.
@@flamenami true true true
@@flamenami I feel like they got angrier since Odysseus did kill him
@@AreesDaOG yes but they couldn’t act directly since Zeus forbade direct intervention in the war (even though some of em broke the rules)
1:27 THAT SWORD SPIN I CANNOT AHHHH
Please I am OBSESSED with the way you handled 1:47 because this actually shows why Odysseus would say 'WHO was that?' instead of 'WHAT was that?'
I’m also in love with that part😂 this whole video is perfectly made❤ I honestly think that if they make an animated version of this musical, this person should be put in charge of it. Cuz I would watch it many many many times
knowing what the myths already had, i actually teared up when seeing little Astyanax
he was just a little boy
Diomedes leading the army while Agamemnon flanks around is surprisingly accurate to the Iliad lmao
Diomedes is a badass in the Iliad. Love that guy.
I had the Iliad as assigned reading in ninth grade, and I really liked it. I had to write an essay on a topic in it after reading, and I wrote about the weapons used. After that, my English teacher made me pick from a set of prompts.
@@metarcee2483 lmao
@@ilikedinosaurs392 she was very glad she did that when we covered Pride and Prejudice, which I described as "regency Kardashians." That essay ended up being an attempt to figure out why Elizabeth and Darcy ended up liking each other.
@@metarcee2483 . . .hate to Break IT to you, but pride and prejudice IS nothing Like regency kardashians . . .AS someone WHO hates 99.99 procent of all romance this IS one of very few intelligent and reasonable approaches to romance and belivable misunderstandings
SO MANY THINGS!
You actually put the Trojan horse
You forshadowed what the characters would do during the battle
The EXPRESSIONS are absolutely BEAUTIFUL!
The Penelope and Telemachus flashback was expertly done (Penelope looks GORGEOUS!)
All the details like Odysseus blowing out the torch and twirling his sword in anticipation were so cool!
You actually included a battle scene
ZEUS first in the clouds and then in his signature animal the eagle watching from the window
The EXPRESSIONS on baby Astyanax are so CUTE
Odysseus' internal conflict was done really well.
Zeus fading away at the end of the song along with his voice
The ANIMATION in general was so SMOOTH
This entire thing was absolute FIRE 🔥🔥🔥🔥
Earned my sub in anticipation for more Epic
I couldn't have said it better! So well done!!! 🤘🏻
120% agree this is my favorite animation done so far! It's being saved! I listen to these songs a lot while playing assassin's creed odyssey
I mean if I had a wife that looks like Penelope I too would do everything to get back.
Okay, but Neo killing the brothers of hector. That moment was just 🙌
That vision scene leading to the infant was EXACTLY as I imagined it; the aspiration of grown-up Asyntax striking Odysseus, the eagle leading to the vision of Zeus with a cloudy beard, Odysseus walking down a dark hallway as mist leads him to the room, an EPIC panning shot as Odysseus proposes ways to spare the kid, Zeus disappearing so Odysseus can’t argue with him-INCREDIBLE.
I was gonna do an animatic for it, but now I may not have to.
3:15 I love how here he tries to find every reason to not kill the baby. He offers to raise him, send him away, do anything but kill him. It’s such a horrible position to be in, on one hand he will grow up to do horrible things but on the other, maybe he could save him before he turns into that.
The camera sweeping around him during "I can raise him as my own" is SOOO incredible. Absolutely gave me chills.
But I love everything about this.
The way you use the light at the beginning. That you zoom out to the horse's eye during "slay" is so cool, so menacing. Love how you depict all the different tasks he gives everyone.
And oh my oh my how beautiful is Penelope?
I mean I'm obsessed with your Ody as well! Aaahhh just love it!
Oh my god, I’m so glad you’re doing this song! Odysseus’s inner turmoil is such a bop
AHHHHH this was so good, fucking love the way you portray Odysseus's turmoil and the way you drew Astyanax grown up not as looking like a human, but like a monster which ngl would fit "when does a man become a monster" part in Just a Man
Anyone else now re listening/watching epic now it’s finished? 😭 kinda sad but I love epic so much and can’t wait to see what jorge creates for us next 🖤
ive been trying to get backstories from the whole musical, ik mainly what’s it about but i need an in dept overview 😭😭
My sister is into Epic and whenever we were on the road she explained this song to me.
This song is now stuck in my head as "The Baby Murder Song"
Nah that's the next one
Don't spoil him!!!
"The blood on your hands is something you won't lose all you have to choose is whose" ... damn Zeus
The trojans hearing an amazing ballad begin from inside the wooden horse: 👁️👄👁️
Might be completely off the mark, but was Odysseus removing his helmet in front of Astyanax intended as a parallel to Iliad book 6? Hector removes his helmet in front of Astyanax, both because it’s scares him and to symbolise Hector’s duality: there is Hector the warrior and Hector the family man. In having Odysseus do the same, alongside the lyrics that emphasise his paternal instincts, it could be read as a deliberate comparison of the two. This idea is kind of furthered by Odysseus’ motivation for killing Astyanax: to protect his family, which was Hector’s entire motivation for fighting in the Iliad. There is also the brilliant irony of Odysseus ending what Hector fought so hard to save in order to protect his own wife and son.
I think all this proves is that Classics A Level morphed my brain and the damage is permanent
But also the contrast, in the end, Hector Always Chose Honor and pride over His family
AUGH THAT WAS MY FAVOURITE BOOK OF THE ILIAD 😭
What's interesting about the song and prophecy is that Ancient Greeks believed one cannot prevent fate. Meaning that Odysseus can't change what will happen to him...
But also like the Ancient Greeks they would argue different meanings of the stories. Hence why Library Alexandria had a ton of commentary of the meaning Illiad.
Since we don't know what happens after Odysseus gets home... We may not know which version of Odysseus action will be in indulging or turning away, because this is the Musical interpretation of the story. And things often have been reframed. But that's my two cents.
I believe that one ending says that Odysseus is killed by the son he had with Circe, so in a way he was killed by his kid. It just wasn't Astyanax
@@renamami Interesting, actually never heard of that ending. And looking it up it appears Odysseus dies like a chump about cattle. And in another I looked up he died of old age.
I was more pointing out the story changes with each new author. Story beats stay the same but some myths (and plays) change wildly. I know in the next song, to me at least, it is unclear if he goes through with it or not. And we might not know unless its performed on stage, or kept vague for interpretation.
"Diabetes will lead the charge"
that will be a slow atack
@@MarekMango💀
As a diabetic myself, never disrespect my man Diomedes ever again.
@@JustAGuy-vt3lh chill out. pull the stick out of your ass. but don't eat it ither unless u want to explode! u can't eat chocolate remember?😉
No sugar for them ever again! 😅😂
3:22 The baby is like "What's going on??? 🤨🤨"
I love the way you show emotion and i love how you portray Odysseus begging to Zeus to have him do anything else but kill this child. You can see how he doesn't want to do it and the way his emotion is portrayed is beautiful. I love how he throws his sword and gets on his knees while trying to give other choices instead of killing him. He really doesn't want to hurt the boy. Zeus is telling him what will happen who will get hurt but Odysseus still has refusal in his eyes. Zeus is telling him that the people he cares most for will get hirt but Odysseus cares so much he can't bring himself to do it. He has to make a choice.
this is actually perfect. The historically accurate gown and the swords! You actually started in the horse! The way you showed every dude in the intro in battle!
Not to mention the quality of animation!
this is easily my favorite Horse and the Infant animatic of all of them
If WE how with the illiad though, Odysseus would have worn a helmet/ cap Made from leather and hog tusks, IT IS one of the exlpicitly described things
0:50 oh.. the son of Achilles
Achilles was a beast because of revenge for his lover
Imagine what his son is gonna do in revenge for his dad
Frrrr,anyway ive Just finish ed the Song of Achiiles,DONT MAKE ME CRY AGAIN@@San-san6499
@@San-san6499by lover do u mean the guy who shared his tent….yea they were def lovers
@@San-san6499if you read the song of Achilles son was just omg. I like how perfectly someone said it because they said, Neo is what Achilles would’ve turned into without Patroclus.
I love how little Ajax is a child here, knowing that he's a grown ass man😂 That's so funny
I assumed it was "Little Ajax Jr." Aka Eurysaces
2:50 THIS IS THE SON OF NONE OTHER THAN TROY’S VERY OWN PRINCE HECTOR 😫 😫 😫
2:30 he was infact not ready
OH MY GODS GIGI that sequence from 0:36 to 0:52 was absolute PERFECTION! I can not stop rewatching it!
Same I've been watching it non stop im obssesed
That part's got me hooked really... The camera movement, angles like it's a masterpiece
Yeah right the part was soo good
You were able to breathe so much character and epth into Odysseus, alongside the phenomenal song. Odysseus has always been my favorite Greek hero, and you've only cemented that. I wouldn't say it's a problem per say, but a lot of Greek myths rarely really went into the psychology of the characters. We never see how the war effected Odysseus, or how the loss of his men did, but this depicts him as a genuine intelligent, promising man corrupted and led astray by the whims of selfish, destructive gods and their petty disputes.
I would recommend Hades town
3:44 It seems to me that the female voice singing along with Zeus belongs to Athena. Could this be a reference to a line from a deleted song This is the way?
Hey! This is the first time I've clicked on anything related to EPIC the musical, I don't know what it's about (except that it has to do with Greek myths) but this animatic has had me crying for the past 5 minutes. I was watching it for the very first time, and at first I was so excited because "omg, the trojan war!!!" and odysseus was hyping everybody up and i was like "omg !!! this is so fun!!!!" but then the what do you fight for // penelope // thelemacus part came on and I started tearing up and getting goosebumps, and by the time the song ended I was full-on bawling!! So, yeah. I just wanted to let you know that I think your work is so incredible!! Even without context your work got real emotions out of me haha
It's the musical version of the "Odyssey".
Nah! How dare you make Astyanax that cute!!! It only makes it hurt more! 😭
But seriously, I love this! You truly brought the entire song to life.
The disgust in his face at 3:07 is just so realistic ;-: The horror he felt at being told he needed to kill a child.
WHY IS NO ONE TALKING ABOUT THE ANIMATION IN THE PART WHERE ODYSSEUS IS TALKING ABOUT THE PLAN?! IT'S GORGEUS AND VERY SMOOTH, HELP-!!
I loved how you showed Hector's son removing the tapestry and crying because of his lost home, like he would if he lived and learned about it.
Okay, i love it. The camera mouvement when Odysseus try to negociate with Zeus ("i will raise him as my own") is PERFECT. So dramatic, really feel the whole tragedy of this moment. Great job I love your work !!
okay, this is the first song i've heard from this musical but lemme tell you. my hyperfixation is flaring. the music has the type of vibes hamilton did but with the added glory of pantheon nerd joy! this is everything to me. you're animatic just made it so much better!!!
Exactly!! This song has Yorktown and my shot vibes w a lil of who lives who dies
no because this is by far the best iteration of this song!!! the horse?? zeus in the clouds??? ody knocking down the door and realizing it's a baby?? MWAH PERFECTION
This, this is just so incredible! One of the things I like most about seeing the different animatics to these songs is the different approach each one takes: The preparations inside of the horse, Zeus being in the clouds\the clouds and the mist leading Odysseus, and something about the fact Astyanax being awake and looking at him - just made it so much more devastating! This is so good!
Am I the only one who had to look up Diomedes and then question how he doesn’t have specific stories about him? The man wounded two gods and Zeus stepped in banning gods from appearing on the battlefield anymore.
He probably once did, but most of the epics have not been recovered and likely never will in a state where we can properly understand their stories.
@@galantina4086 that’s fair. Just caught me off guard, because from what we know about him currently, he’d be great for tv, movies, games, etc.
@@nevoth815 yes that’s true, it’s unfortunate we don’t know more about him and how he was presented in the epics.
Ody: ... Make sure his past is never known
Zeus: *The Gods will make him know*
Well, I think I've got a solution Zeus, maybe don't make him know..?
Don’t know why this is taking me out 😂😂😂 stop snitching Zeus
The messed up part of all this if he adopts the child and changes his name and raised him on his own. One of the Greek gods will find away to manipulate the kid into becoming Troys avenger. Because this entire war was just that manipulation of the gods.
Technically it was all Aphrodite’s fault.
@@ThatOneNerdInCabin13technically Eris, she started the whole Gold Apple thing
@@magniwalterbutnotwaltermag1479 Okay yea, but Aphrodite’s the one who 1) promised Paris the love of the most beautiful woman in the world and 2) failed to mention that she was married, possibly affecting Paris’s choice when he chose to give her the apple.
Diomedes jumping out of the Trojan horse gives me chills! Fantastic job!
Diomedes was such an absolute legend, nearly killed Aphrodite son by throwing a boulder at him and ever attacked Aphrodite herself when she came to rescue her boy.
@@Sergei_Ivanovich_Mosine's always been my favorite greek hero. Love that guy.
the detail!!! the way you drew Zeus and how you portrayed him!! and UGH THE WAY ODYSSEUS WAS DRAWN like he was mentally ready until he realized “Oh it’s an infant!! no harm!!” And then the DREAD ON HIS FACE
Dang, moments like this remind me that Zeus was not a very just or kind figure. Someone once told me that there was something in Homer’s works that indicated Zeus wanted the Trojan War to happen to…basically clear the board of demigod heroes, mainly those descended from him, for fear of them overthrowing him in a repeat of the Titanomachy.
So him not only pointing Odysseus’ fear and paranoia at an innocent child, but making it clear that he’d make sure that child turned into a threat even if Odysseus did his best to avoid that, seems entirely in character for any version of him that isn’t made family friendly.
he mustve not liked odysseus because he descended from him
1:08 GAVE ME CHILLS
I love how when it says, “The blood on your hands is something you won’t lose, all you can choose is whose.” It’s implying no matter what someone is dying, either the infant or everyone he loves.
Breakdown of the other characters in this song. Because why not?
0:35 Diomedes is one of the great Greek heroes of the Trogan war. Like Odysseus, he's one of Athena's most favored warriors. He lead the inital Greek attack in the Illiad. Which was initially quite sucessfull. He even managed to injure Aries and Aphrodite with Athena's help. But he was shot in the foot by Paris and had to withdraw from the fighting for a while after that.
0:37 Agamemnon leader of the Greek army. He's a bit of cunt is responsible for most of the problems the Greek army faces in the Illiad. But he does go through some serious character development in the Illiad and becomes a lot more humble, brave, and selfless. He starts fighting on the front lines, listening to others, ect. To little to late though because his wife stabs him to death when he gets home. Turns out going through character development 10 years later doesn't give you a free pass to sacrifice your daughter.
0:40 Menelaus is Hellen's original husband. They get remarried after the war and pretty much live happily ever after.
0:43 Tucer is probably the greatest archer on the Greek side. "Ajax the Greater" and "Ajax the Lessor" are his brothers. His older brother "Ajax the Greater" tragically killed himself in the war. And his father refused to let him return home after the war for failing to retrieve his body.
0:45 Ajax is not a kid or particularly small. He's called "little Ajax" here because he's Ajax the lessor. While is older brother (RIP) is Ajax the greater. The two Ajax brothers were essentially the Greek army's reserve. Responsible for defending retreats, counter attacking and defending the ships. Super important job. That's likely what "hold back" is a refernce to. The Ajax's essentially watching the Greek army's back.
Lesser Ajax went on to piss off almost every god. And after her survived his first smiting. He then went on to boast about how not even the gods could kill him. Making him get smited for a second time. Turns out they could kill him.
0:48 Nester is a old dude who loves going on long winded expositions about how great he use to be. To anyone who will listen.
0:50 Neo is Alchillies son. Known for being a bit of a pychopath. He gets murdered some years after the Trogan war.
Another moment that just makes this more of a gutpunch is if you know *why* Odysseus is here in the first place.
It is... Kinda his own fault, as during the original marriage of Hellen, he was the one who suggested the vow that if someone basically went against this marriage every other suitor would have to go to war to get her back to her husband (he did this to Hellen's father so that Odysseus could get an in on Penelope). However... He tried to dodge the vow. He pretended to be insane. I think it was something like sowing salt in an already barren field. Agememnon responds by threatening Telemecus, which has Odysseus drop the act and gets him forced into this war.
*He's here because someone threatened his infant son*.
And as we do get a nice visual from gigi... Even if intellectually he knows that Telemecus is now a boy of about eleven or twelve, the last time he saw him, held him, knew him was *as an infant*.
This is amazing! I especially love the moment at 1:45 - I've always wondered what might happen in that scene and this is just the perfect explanation! Also how Odysseus is led to the infant's room by Zeus is such an interesting approach, I have not seen that in any other animatic to this song yet. It is very well made!
Diomedes bursting out of the belly of the horse with the force of a speeding locomotive on crack is very much a Diomedes thing to do, not gonna lie.
At 3:30, the visual story telling where you use the crib to make it appear as if Zeus' eagle is sitting on a throne.
Beautiful. Amazing. This animatic deserves so much more attention oml
1:26 ok but that sword swing
2:30 made me wanna cry
Came back here after it's all done to say thank you. I started this journey with Gigi's Horse and the Infant, and it has been one wild ride
you included an ARC SHOT in this! that is my favorite camera technique be cuase it has so many different meanings depending on how you do it! the way you did it here, 3:16, successfully conveyed the desperation of Odyssyus, pleading, begging, and searching for another way that this could end. Well done!!
I CAN'T EXPRESS HOW MUCH I LOVE THE SECTION WHERE HE'S JUST TELLING PEOPLE WHAT TO DO
IT IS so Epic!!!
3:35 Ody, he's not making you do anything, he is telling you what will happen, now if you want your wife to live then no really you HAVE to kill him, but Prince Hector's fate is in your hands, not any of the gods. Zeus is just....politely persuading....
1:40 the last time someone tried to climb the wall it didn't end well
@patroclies yes, from the Song of Achilles 🥲
No! Why!?
Little Ajax has me rolling on the floor. There’s Teucer really concentrated and then lesser Ajax pops up with not a single thought behind those eyes. I also love how we all agree he’s some small child, despite knowing the opposite is the case 😂
Brought literal tears to my eyes, you visualized what I've been imagining for a long time, Im a little late to see this because i didn't think it had been animated but i think you did a great job!
I am so inspired by you. You are one of my favorite art creators, I LOVE THIS MUSICAL I AM SO EXCITED
3:22 baby: who tf are you talking to?
Agamemnon flanking the guards is the most beautiful thing I've ever seen, the way he just barrels into them is incredible. And of course Little Ajax is hilarious as well.
Oh I love how you did the vison and Zeus! The vision attacking and Zeus being in the clouds and as a hawk is perfection!
Amazing animatic as always! You are so good at portraying feeling in all of your art. I love how smooth all the tramsitions were for the whole "giving the roles" thing (Agamemnon will flank the guards part). The part where Odyseous is pleading with Zeus is just- chef's kiss.
Your animatics always make me love the songs way more than I would if I had only listened to the audio. The art/visuals you do always add so much life and emotion into the song!
*This is officially the best one I’ve watched.* The others people are producing are good, but they don’t have nearly as much vision and dynamism as yours!! You’re so skilled, amazing job!!!
I think this moment decided the rest of the journey back to Ithaca, this here was Odysseus choosing ruthlessness, to prioritize his survival before anything else, and the rest of the quest was the remarking and consequences of this display: The Cyclops, Aeolus, Circe, Poseidon, every time he tried to choose mercy he was punished because he had already sold his soul, he didn't commit to his decision and that's why fate kept him from reaching home until he developed the resolve equivalent to commiting an act of monstruosity, he kept insisting on how unchanged he was, on his purity and perfection, and for that, and only after accepting his actions, he came back to Ithaca a failure.
This is amazing
I never imagined the infant to have hair, or as much as you gave it. And the eyes!! He looked so innocent and curious, like a baby would! Idk how but it really punched me in the gut because the child really LOOKED like a human instead of a red potato
Omg the when the songs music changes to the lullaby notes, its gutwrenching
"Menelaus will let our way through the gates to take the whole city at large"
menelaus: yes...
"Teucer will shoot any ambush attack"
teucer: let's gooooo
"and little ajax will stay back"
ajax: excuse me wtf?
BABY ASTYNAX IS SO CUTE AND SQUISHY!!! WHY DID HE HAVE TO BE SPLATTED 😭
Definitely my best animation of Epic. You are so talented 💖
The first to put the Horse in the animation REALLY GLORIOUS
Love from Argentina 🇦🇷
Thanks for the heart Gigi!!! :3
1:50 Ody rockin that homer simpson look.
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God whenever I hear him still defy the idea of killing the baby-even when the literal gods tell him his family is in danger if he won’t- I can’t help but cry. Who could fault him for that? Who could do something so awful?