Not really Poseidon rarely takes his anger out on mortals unless they really piss him off. That is mostly Zeus or Appolo and his sister. Shit even Athena is more prissy than him usually. The only times i can think of for poseidon to be temperamental enough to pull shit like this is they here and with Atlantis.
@@damianjarzebski5168 He tried to drown Athens after they chose Athena over him, picked a fight with Ares in reaction to Halirrhothius' death, punished Argos for choosing Hera over him, sent a sea monster to attack Troy after Laomedon broke an agreement, and was seen by the Greeks as both their protector from and the cause of earthquakes
Think what I like about this one is how *inhuman* Poseidon is. His face as a human is skull-like, a pale brow and hollow cheeks around monochromatic eyes and a beard that frames his lips apart from his jaws, like teeth. And when he shifts into a horse, he moves fluidly, standing like a statue that shatters the laws of motion when he shifts. Poseidon isn't an especially powerful humanoid here. Poseidon is an aspect of reality and fantasy, reminders of death and fear. Trying to dance around him with words means he teaches you that his vows, like water too, can be unyielding.
There are people arguing in the comments about morality and justice, but ultimately Poseidon is just angry. You can't reason with an storm. There's no justification or logical debate which can make a typhoon change its course. That's the essence of Poseidon here, he's an angry storm, the backstory is just why he's angry, there's nothing Odysseys could say to calm him down, no more than he could talk down a thunderstorm.
yeah I agree, one of the big things I noticed. Poseidon here shifts so effortlessly between the forms. I think it's really nice depiction, he's more than any 1 form, but all of them, as much as he wants. He's a god, and he's not bound to anything. Also I think it just looks REALLY COOL. Also the part where he sinks the fleet really shows how powerful he is, he's not just a guy with storm powers, he IS the unyielding storm. HE sinks your fleets. Also at the beginning when he looks like a human, but his arm extends and deforms like flowing water, he IS the water. And you can't fight the water itself, it morphs into anything. It's soo good.
The moment where Posideon casually toyed with their battleships like it was nothing really emphasizes that this is a GOD they're facing. Like any natural disaster, you don't try to beat them, you survive them.
What’s worse is it’s not even just a god they encountered in the wild. This is THE GOD OF THE SEAS, pissed off at you and confronting you IN THE MIDDLE OF THE OCEAN. I really can’t think of many worse situations to be in as an Ancient Greek. Other than pissing of Hades in the underworld, or Zeus on freaking Olympus.
@@ethanbergeron2688pissing off the sea god when his only means of travel is over sea is by far the dumbest thing that he could have possibly done, literally the act of saying his name out loud sealed him to this fate and it just shows how one single stupid act born from hubris can destroy ones whole world
@@Shadowblader98 In his defence, I'm pretty sure Odysseus didn't know Polyphemus was the son of Poseidon, and hence, that this deed would piss off the god of the sea. Of course that doesn't change the fact that "the wisest of the Greeks" was still acting incredibly foolish and prideful in loudly declaring his name and taunting an aggravated foe after "sparing" him...
@@predwin1998 In the musical yes, Odysseus has no idea that Polyphemus in Poseidons son, but in the book Polyphemus outright states that he's the son of Poseidon and Odysseus still taunts him so that was just pretty dumb.
Fucking love how every animator decided Poseidon is just physicaly beating the shit out of him. No magic jumbo just these good old hands and a little god strength lol
That and the fact he's too scared to fight back. If you just take it, it's possible you could live by acting weak and apologetic. Fight back, you're risking (even more) godly wrath, as well as disrespecting the will of a god. Yeah, it makes no sense, but it's greek mythology, expecting it to make sense is a pretty high bar.
The singer of Poseidon is so amazing at portraying the absolute rage Poseidon was feeling that no one had any doubt he was throwing hands too. The way he said "That's what I HATE" is absolute venemous. I would cry if he said that to me.
@@luffyismyicon3860 You're right. The way you can feel his anger simmering below the surface like a rip, only to lash out at certain parts is incredible. Kinda reminds me of when a teacher goes on a rant and you just wanna make yourself small and try not to be next.
For people asking why Poseidon seems not to care about Odysseus hurting his son and wishing he’d just killed him, for ancient Greeks a death in battle was a glorious end. If Odysseus killed Polyphemus it would be honorable for him and by extension Poseidon. By leaving him maimed and humiliated, he’s humiliated Poseidon, and for a god that’s the worst disservice you can give them. It’s really weird from a 21st century western point of view, but it’s a pretty accurate depiction of Poseidon as a Greek god
Death in glory, versus life in disgrace. The idea isn't completely gone today. Mercy killing comes to mind. Not letting a living creature live in suffering. Let alone the number of vets that regret living through their service, though that in particular touches a number of very sensitive subjects that go to a whole different topic
Poseidon is not blind to the fact that they were trying to survive since his son was eating his men, which I think is poignant is that he is not mad that they tried to survive but rather that they let him live to be the fool rather than a foe worthy of being killed. Odysseus was well known as a clever man, to die to someone considered a hero is an honor in itself. Glory is not just for the the survivor but also the slain, for one to sing praises of deeds the foe has to be one of equal or greater power for it to be worthy of such songs. The cyclops would have been praised for his strength even if killed, instead he lives blind and reknown as a fool rather than a worthy opponent.
It was also super hypocritical for Odysseus to end an infant over the sins of his father but also allow the fiend that killed his best friend to scrape by just being maimed
@@diegogarcicruz6134I was literally going to comment this. But, I’ve heard that those who die at sea, their souls go to Poseidon, not Hades. So, i think Poseidon probably really just could’ve asked him.
I do enjoy that Poseidon's whole point throughout the song is literally 'Buddy, if you'd actually finished my son off, I wouldn't have known who to punish'. He doesn't actually care for his child, or at least it seems that way. It seems that he's doing what he's doing because he knows someone that hurt something of his, and he's a greek god. If someone wrongs you, there is only one course of action.
Oh he cares. Poseidon is fairly consistently depicted as generally caring quite a lot for his kids. The fact that this is a mortal man who has handed an insult to a God.... yea, that just kinda compounds the issue.
@@selonianthDefinitely. And the point about killing the Cyclops is also about this supposed "mercy" that he very clearly doesn't believe from Odysseus: since when is torturing and permanently disabling your opponent more merciful than a quick death?
It's also an excuse: he already hated Athens and Athena and now here is her precious little general no longer under her protection and with his child's blood on his hands. He doesn't even have to hold back. It's perfect.
I love how this one really shows that you can't overpower a god, much less in his element. He seems dangerous in this one Edit: This aged rather poorly.
Just like GOW, we learnt that modern audiences wanna beat the shit out of people who did them dirty, which is fair but cmon, the Greek way wasn't like that
Even though the way Poseidon threatens and mocks Odysseus with his own prideful speech is really impactful and rightfully unsettling, it is so funny to me to imagine Polyphemus just giving his daddy all the details like Polyphemus (sobbing): And- and he said t-that he's my d-darkest moment... Poseidon (About to end this man's who career): Did he now~
Polyphemus:*then he did this *opens his eyes socket*blinded me and left me a burden to you*cries* Posidin:*kind tone*don't worry son,you ARNT a burden to me..with or without a eyeyiu go rest....*toan turns angered as he walks towards the ocean*im going to make him apologize for hurting you. The other gods:uh oh.
I love the inclusion of the baby cause it shows how hypocritical Odysseus is being. Hes willing to kill a baby, to protect his family but not simply kill the cyclops who was trying to kill him. Amazing work
I noticed that too, it’s probably why he looked cold when dropping it. Like “Your willing to kill a defenseless babe, but MY son who was trying harm…you spared? Please. -_-“
well let's be fair he probably let the cyclops live as revenge he wanted him suffer for picking the fight he's just not gonna admit that when apologizing cause let's be real that's asking for it and the gods aren't that good at sussing out liars
I also like the point of the song “Ruthlessness is mercy upon ourself” being ruthless makes things easier for you. Leaving enemies alive allows more enemies to appear. Poseidon wouldn’t have known if his son Was killed
Just have to comment how much I love the parallel of Poseidon dropping the depiction of his son as a baby just like Odysseus did with the baby in the beginning of the story, when he was showing ruthlessness and the obvious choice was to kill the child as a mercy to himself in the future.
If I recall, Zeus goated him into it. After that, everything went to hell in a hand basket. The gods are nothing but spiteful monsters that care not for those without power.
@@Hypogean7 Doesn't change how the gods are playing with the lives of mortals. That's literally what the entire Trojan war is about, the gods playing games with the Trojans and the Greeks. Also, in the very first song, Zeus doesn't even consider the other options of letting Ody raise the kid or send him far from Troy because the gods WILL make sure the kid knows what happens because Greekt Mythology
@@blitzvalentine363 He even says in the lyrics of that song that even if Ody did raise the kid, the gods would just tell the kid about his true heiritage regardless. Meaning the gods are so damn spiteful that they would turn a child against their parent. In the end, the gods would still interfere regardless.
First of all, I like this Poseidon in his roughness. That the way he drags and shoves Odysseus shows that he is nothing more than a man who can do nothing before the power of god. Secondly, I like how Poseidon mocks Odysseus’s emotional trauma, remembering the baby. Obviously, he was referring to Troy here. Thirdly, am I not the only one who thought Odysseus was smug at the moment of apology?This is what Poseidon is talking about and it is clear that he has not forgiven him
I think it was the part when Odysseus state that he took no pleasure in Polythemus' pain. Which was a flat out lie since Odysseus literally shouted out his name to the Cyclops so he can always remember that it was he that blinded him. Also Odysseus never truly apologize about blinding Cyclops. Notice he never outright says he sorry, but rather framing it as a form of self-defense ('I only meant to disarm, I only want to run away'). Which yeah, was true, but not something a father would want to hear.
@@fbiuzz I don't even think this was why he did it. The entire song Poseidon is giving Odysseus a lesson on being ruthless because he is wanting to be good and merciful to everyone he meets. The entire song is Poseidon saying show no mercy to anyone. Then after all that he says to apologize? No. "The line between naivety and hopefulness is almost invisible" Naivety is referring to a lack of wisdom or judgement that Odysseus thinks Poseidon will actually let him go. In Greek mythology Poseidon is the most petty among the gods. After that entire song, and with that background, why would Poseidon all of a sudden show mercy to the man that blinded his son, didn't kill him, and openly told him his name? Poseidon was never going to spare Odysseus or the fleet regardless of whether he apologized or not. It's only thanks to the bag of wind that Odysseus got his last ship away before they died as well.
Something I love about Poseidons attitude about what Odysseus did to his son was that he doesn’t actually care that much about his son, things die all the time, it’s part of a natural order. However, Odesseus MAIMED his son and his “mercy” left him disfigured, which he is taking more of in insult towards than actually caring about the state of his son
Honestly I get that, while I’d be pissed at both happening to someone, forcing someone to live with the injuries you gave them is crueler than just straight killing them.
Considering Odysseus flat out insulted Poseidon by using a horse statue as a false offering, blinded his son and called it 'mercy' despite it being entirely a way to spit upon his foe, and worse of all Odysseus had the sheer gall to get another God's help to negate Poseidon's minimum effort punishment (the storm that the Wind God removed)... Poseidon's beyond pissed.
Actually, it's not that. Poseidon deeply cares about his children. The reason he said you would've escaped if you'd just killed him was because polyphemus complains to Poseidon about Odysseus, causing him to take vengeance. Whereas if Odysseus had just killed him and not you know proudly given out his identity, none of this would've happened
"You reveal your name! then you let him live!" always gets me. Like what the hell was Odysseus trying to accomplish by doing that and what the hell could he hope to even say to Poseidon to escape from this situation? Then he goes and takes the god for a fool. The man's hubris is incommensurable and i love the various shades of grey in it.
In my Uni English class I was arguing that Odysseus’ hubris would ultimately lead to his downfall. However, my professor was saying no, like that hubris was not a thing during this time, it was honorable to claim feats of victories or whatever. And that actually saying who he was, this story would end up going to Ithaca (through bards and storytellers) to tell his wife and everyone else that he, king of Ithaca, was still alive and on the way back home.
The fact that Odysseus’s eyes widened when Poseidon dropped the shadowy baby as a callback to what he had to do in the first song, and that he wouldn’t do the same to the cyclops, was really good.
Horses with forward facing predator eyes are fking terrifying, give them that and mouths that open more like a dogs but keeping the same flat teeth and its really a creey addition you dont want.
When we look into our deepest roots, we often find dark gods staring back. Poseidon is no different, for the god of the seas was once known as the King Earthshaker.
I love the line "the pack of wolves is swimming with the Shark now" for the use of the singular, there is ONE shark, THE shark, doesn't matter how many wolves there are, the Shark can't be beaten. Only escaped.
Also note, what animal is most notorious for stealing sheep from shepherds? What animal is most associated with eating/mauling human children when the parents aren't looking?
If the musical is authentic to the source? Maybe. The Greek Pantheon was kind of fickle that way. Poseidon has a record of acting infrequently, but spectacularly. Like the sea it's self. And Odysseus has stepped on his toes more than once already. So this was a decent breaking point. @@rommielee5888
I do really like Poseidon is saying in this song. That Odysseus's "mercy" was crueler than just simply killing the cyclops and Odysseus's Naivety basically killed all his men.
Yeah, disproportionate retribution is kind of something all the Olympians are known for. Brutal as it is, killing all but a handful of Odysseus's men is pretty on-brand for someone like Poseidon. If it weren't for his desire to see Odysseus suffer that kind of loss, he probably would've just killed everyone and not given him the chance to open the bag.
@@neospiderman2165 I didn't take it as lying so much as a lack of introspection; This is Poseidon playing Trumen to Odysseus' Oppenheimer: Odysseus: "I have blood on my hands!" Poseidon: "Blood on his hands, dammit, he hasn't half as much blood on his hands as I have. You just don't go around bellyaching about it."
I think modern retellings of Greek myth forget how freaking scary Poseidon is…like he IS the ocean so tsunamis, whirlpools, etc, are him. Poseidon is terrifying
before Hades entered Greek mythology, Poseidon was in charge of the underworld too. The ocean is a depthless grave filled with creatures human eyes were never meant to see that will forget the names of all its victims.
@@deliabailey7422fun fact: he was also king of the gods back then. Mycanean Greece put more stock in cthonic gods than Hellenistic Greece did. Any gods associated with the underworld at all were given higher importance than those without underworld connections. Poseidon, being the underworld's king, was thus given top spot, while Zeus' domain of the sky, basically as far away from the underworld as you could get, left him with little authority in the pantheon. Things got shuffled around during the Grecian Dark Ages, and when we got to the other side, Zeus was now at top billing with the epithet Panhelle'nius, basically labelling him as king of everything, and Poseidon was split between his domain of the seas, and Hades as the new underworld king. However, Poseidon's reign of king of the dead wasn't fully forgotten, honored in his title of The Earthshaker.
Getting caught underneath a wave when I was little, it feels exactly like how they animated it, being spun around and not able to escape until It let's you go
Congratulations on making the scariest Poseidon design I've ever seen, particularly in his horse form with the glowing teeth- that's just goddamn unsettling
He does often have a bit of an _Aquaman_ vibe in modern depictions, doesn't he. This one was *much* better at capturing just what a *terrifying* concept the sea really is! The tempestuousness and unpredictability of storms, the inky blackness of the depths and just how fucking *ill* equipped we are to survive in it as an environment!
I love how when Poseidon shows himself he's a horse, it's a nice hint since he's also the god of horses, and the fact he shapeshifts so freely and smoothly shows how connected he is to the water
No joke, the entire sequence of Odysseus's crew just screaming "Captain!" over and over while drowning gave me chills. It really highlighted how helpless Odysseus actually is in front of Poseidon, to the point where he wasn't able to even help his own crew and was only able to stay alive because Poseidon wanted him to. Not because of his wit, or his smarts, or anything else Odysseus was known for. Only because Poseidon wanted to gloat. Look at how powerless you are. Look at how your decisions have caused your crew's downfall. Look.
Right???, it breaks my heart every time because it also proves Eurlycaus right that his pride and arrogance would get everyone killed. the parts by the ensemble are so good
Not only that but Odysseus blinded the Cyclops and then left him ALIVE in a show of supposed mercy. Poseidon was also showing Odysseus what kind of pain that type of mercy can cause. Or at least that is what I took from it.
The visual of the baby that Poseidon drops hitting the deck timed with the "You are far too nice" lyric hits so hard. It's clear that Odysseus thinks killing that baby is the worst thing he has ever done, so for Poseidon to call him "nice" and merciful right then is exqusite torture.
You could see how watching that baby hit the deck hurt Odysseus. I love how everything Poseidon did, everything he said, every form he took, was some kind of barb to get under Odysseus’ skin, too!
@@ZenitsusDad OMG, right? Especially appearing as a horse. Poseidon took the image Odysseus's greatest achievement (the Trojan Horse) and used it for 4 minutes solid to torture him and then uno reverse it to kill over 500 of the same men who were inside of it to sack/destroy Troy. It was a magnificent choice by the artist and I am in awe of the creativity
@@AnonEMouse-ls7fpIsn’t the horse also fairly associated with Poseidon as a call sign? Odysseus using a Trojan horse on Troy, which Poseidon was betting on that city winning, must’ve felt like a big slap to the face in his name. Add in his son getting blinded (Poseidons generally depicted as a caring father a lot), and all bets were off.
I love Odysseus expressions in his “apology”. He is not just smug, he looks to the side just for a second to figure out how to spin the tale & starts playing the part of being contrite without having to actually say sorry & when he’s done he smiles like he just singlehandedly defeated the ocean. Poseidon just dragged him around like a rag doll & played with the ship just as easy but now that he thinks he can win just by talking he immediately looks confident & relaxed, & just like with the Cyclops it doesn’t work, because Eurylochus is right, he is getting them killed by trying to play smart with Gods
I acutally think he was kinda smug in his response. Like if you look at the way he said it... the dude never truly apologized. It's more of a: "Well... I didn't mean it, but he kinda had it coming. It was just self-defense". I think it's pretty interesting if you take into consideration the songs preceding it like "Warrior of the Mind" and "My Goodbye"... dude basically told Athena, a very powerful god and rival to Poseidon to "fuck off".
@@khoivo7947 you are totally right, he is so prideful that he thinks he can keep going against gods because he is so smart. He refuses to accept his limits & straight up smiles at Poseidon when offering his non apology because he is so sure he can talk his way out of everything
He literally just needed to apologize but he didn't like the arrogant man he was and then asked what Poseidan had done when he was responsible for them because of his own actions, too 'merciful' to put Polyphemus down but too arrogant to just apologize for leaving him blind on that island with other Cyclops who may take advantage
@@liamjacques5335agreed. Poseidon gave him an out and Odysseus practically throw it in his face. I also like how he, after giving Odysseus a look of disgust, looking regretfully towards the sky before he transforms. He knows his dooming most of the crew to aimlessly wonder the underworld due to not having proper burials, but Odysseus must be taught a lesson and they’re unfortunately part of that lesson.
@@thomashuizinga4618 I was about to say exactly this. The look of absolute disgust on Poseidon's face. Until this point, Poseidon had been pretty reasonable. He was angry and he wanted to kill Odysseus, but instead he just basically lectured him and asked for an apology. It's not even rage, it's just "you absolute idiot".
Omg I don’t know how I catch this but at 3:59 for a single frame ody’s face screams “eat SHIT” then for a frame after that it looks like he’s going”AAAAAAAAAAAAAA” behind the wind(for a better representation for the “AAAAAAAAAAAAA” just look up “TheOdd1sOut screaming bloody murder”)
I’m sorry, I can’t get over the fact that we probably have the most intense scene from this musical with Poseidon killing hundreds of men and the writers go “oh right, we need something funny here” Odysseus: “all I gotta do is open this bag” in such a lighthearted tone like he didn’t just almost drown I freaking died
I honestly always read that line as desperation on Odysseus part, he’s grasping for anything and gets reminded of the fairly lighthearted song about the bag (until it wasn’t but still), so he both escapes and taunts Poseidon by doing that
@@NoRegs30 Same! He's just lost hundreds of the men he led for 20 years, who trusted him to lead them, and there's nothing he can do fight back a vengeful god. But as Poseidon said there are 43 left, so how to save those remaining 43 who only live because they're on Odysseus' own ship and Poseidon saved him for last...? By saying/doing something so unexpected Poseidon doesn't have the time to react before they're out. The way he delivers the line is jarring but that, I feel, is because it's intended to be. It needs to make a GOD go "??????" for a long enough moment that the remaining wind can drag them out of immediate reach.
Eh, the Watsonian rationalizations here fall pretty flat I feel. It was still a glaring chunk of bathos, especially in light of the unspeakable tragedy that had just happened. I mean sure, give him a wry smile, a maniacal laugh even, but not this giddy cheeriness like we just switched scripts with a Trolls movie.
@@michaeldeighton323 Lmao, using all those technical words to make a non-argument and then insult the quality. Bathos is used as an intentional anti-climax, a way of immediate subversion to segue into the next part where no clean transition exists. For Odysseus of all characters, it works the best. He's still a soldier. Everyone is dead. His ship is the only one that remains. But HE is still alive and he still has some men. He is an optimistic bastard by design. He remembers what he has, sees Poseidon's hubris as a weakness, then uses the tone shift to confuse the God enough to escape. With Poseidon DECIDING to let him go, with the sinister threat (Which is contained in the musical stings of the piano) that this escape is temporary and that Poseidon won't forget. Tone is carried by the instrumentation as much as the lyrics and their delivery. In comparison to the total piece, there's a more clear transition away from brief triumph to grief. It's only glaring because this is one song out of a series, so there's no continuation. You're condemning a part without the context of the whole. Would it work in a normal play? Probably not, but Musicals don't function the same as plays. They have different rules and standards. So take some time to learn those rules and standards before passing harsh judgement. These words are probably wasted and it will just get countered by semantics, grammatical mistakes, or just calling me a "Fan boy" or whatever like I've seen all around the criticisms that have been confronted. But I figured I'd throw them out there anyways for those who wish to either have a dialogue or see a perspective that goes into detail as to why these things work.
@@CoolColton947 dang, bro. That's gonna register as a solid "yikes" from me. If you don't want to be labeled a fanboy, maybe don't post a comment dripping with obvious resentment that someone dared criticise something you liked. Yes, I am indeed aware of the meaning of the words I used. Very understandable that you would assume I was just ignorantly using them to try and sound smart, I do get that a lot, but that would I hope be a largely incorrect assumption in this case. To be clear, I just listened to the version sans animatic again (this song is really worming into my brain). It really clarified that my issue with that line is primarily due to how Odysseus was animated. The gigantic face-splitting grin, mainly. Hopefully that was sufficient to communicate that I'm not just shitting on stuff for kicks. If not... eh, I've probably spent too much time on this thread already.
I LOVE that you made Poseidon use a horse form, both because its one of the animals he is associated with, but also because it's another layer of mocking Odysseus with the depiction that will remind him of his Trojan Horse
@pixlv6384 look up dark sea scene frozen 2. The ost is great and you'll know why I brought it up. Unless you already watched the trailer and know that ]xxxx[
Holy fuck this is incredible. I love how free form posideon is with his form, quickly shifting from man to horse to weird eldritch horse. And this is some of the best use of posideon being the God of horses I've ever seen or even thought of. Overall, it's a phenomenal job, and I can't wait for more in the future. Edit: just to gush a bit more about this incredible piece of art, the whole transition from huge posideon into the smaller but still big posideon that drops the baby is just *chefs kiss* capital P Phenomenal. As well as the entire sequence of posideon just fucking up Odysseus by the hair, and the whole seen of him murdering the crew make me want an animated Epic:the musical film so bad.
Yeah, it flows well that the gods take on forms that humans can perceive yet they are still fluid enough to shift forms at the drop of a hat, this is especially so with Poseidon here since it also uses water elements along with the shifting between human and horse forms. Overall this is a very fitting visual to show Poseidon’s wrath towards Odysseus for blinding Polyphemus and leaving him alive.
Oops~ sorry 🙏 MEANT: I love how the sea God turns into a 🖤 horse because sailors use to know wavez as the: WHITE HORSES ~ didn't mean to shout\🚀 In the texting. Constantly having to SWITCHBACK ~ & forth is
Honestly the thing I love most about this is the way that Poseidon is animated, it makes him feel like an embodiment of nature. He's not just the Lord of the Sea, he *is* the Sea, and this animation really gets that across to me.
3:38 God, the symbolism of "I am your darkest moment, the monster that always draws near" being said by Poseidon as a HORSE, considering that Odysseus's regrets in Troy is what led to his actions envoking Poseidons wrath made my jaw drop. Triple S+ teir!
It’s also almost the same thing Odysseus said to Polyphem when they departed after stabbing him in the eye "I’m your darkest moment […] the infamous Odysseus“
Like someone already said in the reply, I think it was also to remind Odysseus of his last words to Polythem. Making it clear that he was very aware that the "We took no pleasure in his pain" was a flat out lie on top of no apology for leaving his son, a cyclops, BLIND and calls that "mercy"
Odysseus’ fatal flaw is definitely hubris. And you can totally see it in his ‘apology’. Not only did he look a little smug, he never even apologized. Who cares if you don’t think you actually have to, that’s the God of the fucking Sea, say sorry.
Especially when that god literally just said he’d kill you if you didn’t say sorry. He was so proud of that 600 men led to war and back, and he could’ve kept it that way if he’d just apologized.
@@ZenitsusDad funnily enough, Poseidon would never have done that even if he did apologise. He is literally preaching ruthlessness, why would he be merciful
@@ZenitsusDad I would argue that nothing would've changed. The line is quite clear (in my interpertation) "The line between naivete and hopefulness is almost invisible" means "Looks like you've learned nothing boy" to me.
@@narutim097 Nothing would have changed is exactly right. Poseidon still would have killed all of his men. Poseidon gives Odysseus the chance to apologize as a trick. After singing a whole song about how ruthlessness is required, why would he want an apology or grant mercy. He is looking for Odysseus to essentially say he isn't sorry and he would do it again if he had to. Poseidon says, "The line between naivete and hopefulness is almost invisible" because hoping Poseidon would spare Odysseus or his crew was stupid in the God's viewpoint.
"And I will give BIG thanks to my friend who was willing to pretend to drown in my bed so I could have some references." This added so, so much to the animation, thank your friend for me as well! The hair on my neck stood up watching the soldiers drown.
I love how when Poseidon says "the line between naivety and hopelessness is almost invisible" Odysseus' face disappears. Because he doesnt matter, he just looks like any other human to Poseidon and he isnt doing the ONE thing that Poseidon asked him to. Apologies. The honeyed words and charming expressions of Odysseus are irrelevant, Poseidon asked for an apology and you arent doing that. Thats the only thing that matters here.
I think Poseidon was gonna kill him anyway actually, to humiliate then kill him, so "the line between naivety and hopefulness is almost invisible" is more or less him saying "Did you really think you had a chance of survival?"
@@grawlix-man463 I think he was more gauging how many crewmates he would kill off the bat depending on the next step. Had Odysseus actually apologized, he may have been able to get away with more men. But instead of an apology, he gave Poseidon a justification. Imagine being told your child was made permanently blind and the only thing said by the one who did it was “They wouldn’t let me go.” Like, yeah, I get the response, but to that extreme? To go that far?
@@niceofgames To be fair they really were stuck due to his body blocking the way out, I doubt they could get him up from a drug induced unconscious without dealing some big damage, plus the fact that the cyclops would probably just immediately continue fighting them if they got him up some other way. It's amazing how many terrible situations Odysseus gets himself in just because he can't stop talking lol
personally i think this part of the song is actually mirroring to a similar part in Polyphemus that follows the same dynamic. Odysseus and his crew fuck up, they apologise to whomever they pissed off, Odysseus makes some stupid ass smug joke ("Im so glad we see eye to eye" and "We took no pleasure in his pain" when everyone was deadass excited about killing the cyclops😭), and the guy they pissed off finally revealing that they didn't plan to spare them at all. plus, i really like the way the musical thwarts Odysseus' hubris (pride/arrogance in greek) so much to the point where he never even considers that he had messed up not when he let the cyclops live, but when he revealed his name. in the odyssey, the entire lesson is "don't be fucking cocky cause u aint that smart", and his greatest flaw was his arrogance. in the musical, i think the reason Poseidon doesn't mention Odysseus' hubris is because gods are by nature very arrogant, and to them taunting and mocking is only natural (we can see them mocking mortals constantly: when Zeus uses the wordplay to insinuate the infant, when Poseidon throws Odysseus around, etc.). that's why Poseidon only emphasises on Odysseus' hypocritical "mercy". but in "Monster", we can see that Odysseus is so fucking arrogant he can't see he's arrogant. in fact, just how he compares himself to fucking eldritch horrors, immortal sorceresses, and a whole ass god, that highlights his pride. he's not willing to admit that he killed his men when he revealed his name. he's not willing to admit that he messed up, so he insists on how he is too "merciful". i think it's intentional, because in 'Luck Runs Out', Eurylochus does mention how Odysseus relies on wit. while it could be interpreted only that he was always trying to trick everyone, the reason first and foremost that he even is running around tricking everyone is because he is arrogant. an average mortal wouldn't go for Odysseus' tricks not only because they aren't as smart, but also because... the enemies are divine. they're monsters and gods from the mythos, and those who are humble would know that its not their place to even attempt to fool them. we can see that since the beginning of the play, in "The Horse and The Infant". when Zeus orders Odysseus to kill the baby, before anything else, Odysseus starts suggesting tricks instead of something straightforward ("raise him as my own, or send him far away from home, make sure his past is never known"). later, it isn't his guilt, or his mercifulness, that separates him from Athena. it is his pride: even as Athena scolds him, he ends up insulting HER. so i feel that luck runs out was basically Eurylochus trying to bring Odysseus back to earth, reminding him that they were all just mortals after all (how much longer til your great days cease) thanks for coming to my ted talk 😭
@@amberx1273 I keep seeing people pointing to The Horse And The Infant as an example of Odysseus being arrogant and I honestly don't see it at all. I mean, yes, he is arrogant and overconfident and makes a number of fuckups and his trash-talking of Athena was ill advised even if he probably had a point, but trying to find alternatives to "kill the baby" instead of just immediately going along with it is the kind of arrogance we need a lot more of in this world. Without the ability to try and come up with "tricks" like that, humans would basically just be pawns doing whatever the gods wanted with no agency whatsoever. If anything, that particular example shows a good balance of realism and arrogance: Odysseus does his best to find a way out of the situation, but he doesn't actually try any of those other methods in the end.
The disrespect of Poseidon just dragging him across the deck by the hair is insane, considering he could have thrown him across the deck literally ANY OTHER WAY.
greek gods, wouldn't be themselves if they weren't hypocrites. Zeus is the god of hospitality and punishes those who break into the homes of others or don't treat guests well, but he constantly breaks into the homes of women and dosen't let anyone on Olympus but the big 12
@@CaptainPoseidon282okay I did not know Zeus of all things was the god of hospitality(I would've expected that from Hestia honestly or some other more domestic affiliated god) so I literally wheezed and laughed cause oh my, the hypocrisy just gets thicker with each new fact that I learn and i have looked up and done so much research on mythology since I was in elementary lol
The way Odysseus’ men desperatly shout « Captain » while drowning, like they think he can help them is so heartbreaking. The way they loved him is just ❤❤❤
I've seen several Poseidons animated at this point, and this one is my favorite by far -- The dark, oily hair; the calm anger; the way he "flows" from one place to another; the embodiment of horses, in a dread-inducing way. Other Poseidons seem like they're trying to scare or unnerve Odysseus, but this one couldn't care less; he's just here to squash a bug.
Im not sure if anyone else mentioned this, but I love it when Poseidon goes from horse to giant with his foot on the ship, how the water is his cloak. It's such a small detail that adds so much to the fact that Poseidon is a GOD
And earthquakes. But yes that’s what the Trojan Horse was suppose to be in the view of the Trojans. A offering to Poseidon for safe travel back to Greece by the “retreating” Greek forces.
I love how his face when reacting to Odysseus's "apology" looked a lot like what I imagined the phrase The Lion the Witch and the audacity of this b**** would look like
I agree with that assessment and this is the first time I've seen someone with the same interpretation. Poseidon wanted to hear what happened to his son from the horses mouth so to speak and if Athena hadn't abandoned Ody then he would have seen it was a trick and possibly would have avoided falling for it.
2:55 I think it’s neat that Odysseus’s eyes fade into nothing like the rest of his crews eyes having Poseidon see that Odysseus is just another person and another victim to get revenge on
Depending how far you go back demeter also turns into a horse to outrun poseidon. She isn't fast enough, poseidon catches her after turning into a horse himself and the result is persephone.
Even they didn't really do the whole of Poseidon justice, they focused on the Stormbringer aspect a lot, Earthshaker was addressed once in BoTL, Father of Horses is pretty focused on but they only give Father of Monsters the bare minimum focus. Once with Tyson in SoM and Antaeus in BoTL.
Could you help me understand correctly what he means by that statement? English is not my first language and I've only been studying for a few years, so before I heard this song I didn't even know what the word "ruthlessness" means. Now that I've translated it and there were like 1000 different words to say it in my first language I'm so confused about what the lesson might be that Poseidon wants to teach Odysseus.
4:16 Being the god of the seas, there's no reason that Posiden couldn't have stopped the ship's escape. "Remember me," is the same thing Odysseus told Polyphemus While the original intent was to kill Odysseus, he decided to instead to let him live with the mistake that caused hundreds of deaths. He ultimately gave the same sentence, loss of the flock and personal pain
I feel like it's practically confirmed by the lines "I've been waiting for this moment." "When your home's so close, that's when our paths collide." from Get in the Water, that Poseidon lets him go here because he knows where Odysseus is going, just to inflict greater damage later on.
To be fair, Poseidon is god of the sea, but the anemoi *are* the winds- Can't get much stronger than an element itself, especially with three of the four working in tandem.
@@Latedozer True but he's clearly surprised. He didn't expect Odysseus to have the actual wind in a bag. Like we can claim he's a god and should have been able to do X, Y, Z but the whole point of Greek mythology is that the gods are frequently extremely mortal and flawed beings who are only deified because they're powerful, not because they're the pinnacle of sentience
The detail of Poseidon holding a baby with such care and then Dropping them IN FRONT of Odysseus. Like "killing a baby is fine for you, but not my son?” I can’t, that’s incredible. 1:49
I love how the constant shifting of Poseidon's form from creepy horse to giant to the ocean itself really demonstrates what I love about Greek mythology. The gods love to appear human and hang out with mortals, but when angry, a god of his caliber is just a malicious force of nature.
thing is he didn't apologize, at least not for the crime Poseidon is accusing him of, Poseidon already knows why he blinded him what he's asking for is for him to apologize for sparing his son and forcing him to act, but Odysseus apologizes for blinding the cyclops (though even this was more of claiming self defense rather than responsibility) and even says he would have done less if he could which means he missed the whole point of everything Poseidon just said
@@cesar6447 “I’m sorry for how my actions may have made you feel, since you clearly don’t understand why what I did was fully justified, but it’s time for us both to move on and leave this negativity in the past.”
I love your version of Poseidon. He’s not just some powerful, magical person - he’s a force of nature, wild, uncontrollable, and totally unconcerned with human casualties when it comes to getting revenge. He’s simultaneously totally inhuman and somehow still very tied to the depths of human passion and cruelty.
You can see for a moment that he seems regretful of killing the 550 crew members because it was because of Odysseus’s hubris that he had to make an example of them
I love how Poseidon just drops the baby made of water onto the deck of the ship. Showing that he doesnt actually care about his son, only that Odysseus hurting his son was also indirectly a slight against him. While simultaneously taunting Odysseus with his regret of having to kill Hectors child.
no posieden does care he tries to be laid back but polythemus had alot of context if they had just killed the cyclops poesdien wouldn't have been told he also wouldn't have been that angry because let us be real blinding a guy when you could kill him then laughing as you escape and giving your name is worse than just a burning spear to the throat
@@marley7868 The point is that by only blinding Polythemus he was able to cry out to his father, meaning Poseidon had to take revenge against Odysseus so the world didn't think he was spineless. If Odysseus just killed him than he'd never be able to call out to Poseidon and Poseidon would likely have never found out, and thus wouldn't have done anything.
Am i the only one who think Poseidon asking for for an apology was him tricking Odysseus to confess to blinding polyphemus and getting the go ahead to wipe his crew?
I think if Odysseus had sincerely apologized, Poseidon would have just drown 2 ships, before going after Odysseus. Which would lead to Ody using the bag to escape with everyone. But since Odysseus didn't, and even tried to mask the truth, Poseidon drowned all but Odysseus ship (to save him for the last) to show him what happens when you anger the Gods. Sorry for my garbage English
No it was worse. Him demanding an apology was just to give Odysseus a hope that he’d actually be spared. But really there was nothing that could convince him to spare any of them at that point
Omg when Poseidon says “you totally could’ve avoided lol this had you just killed my son” AND THEN DROPS THE SHADOW OF A BABY IN FRONT OF ODY SINCE HE ALREADY KILLED THE BABY IN THE HORSE AND THE INFANT. GENIUS
The pure DISTRESS on Odysseus's face compared to the eldritch horror of Poseidon's horse form is so raw. Adore it. Even despite not having pupils its so easy to tell in Poseidon's human form how much he loves to tear at Odysseus's pride, ego and heart. That baby reference was downright cruel yet so interesting.
The ancients Greeks were terribly afraid of death at sea because it was impossible to recuperate the bodies and so the poor souls were left to wonder out of the underworld since there had not been a right funeral for them, your Poseidon just incarnate that fear so well!! THIS IS AMAZING!! They way he has just inflicted the worst punishment for them and their families this is exactly how I imagined this song to look! You are great!,
@@Shadowblader98Yep that is pretty much right, you have to think that navigation in the Mediterranean Sea, especially in the zone around Ancient Greek territory was very hazardous because of the winds and sea currents that would develop around the islands that were on course and there were no life saving swimming techniques that would help at the time so falling in the ocean was a sure death sentence but the real problem was not death itself as it was pretty much an accepted part of life in their culture, it was the loss or the disfigurement of the body that really scared the Greeks, it was dishonourable to not give the proper funeral to the dead, reason why they usually took time to clean the battle fields too, leaving their dead to rot and being scavenged by the animals (birds and dogs as the Iliad cites if I remember correctly) was a terrible thing to do, but at sea nothing could be saved, the men claimed by it were lost forever
Also there are funerary rights where people put coins on the dead eyes so that they could pay charon’s toll on the styx river and enter realm of the dead. If you died at sea and your body lost, no one can give them the toll. So their souls are stuck in the sea or on the wrong side of the river. Never to enter.
@@Shadowblader98 both are correct, it depended on what tradition was used and where: the Persians introduced the tradition of giving a coin to the dead for the afterlife to the Greeks so they probably later adapted it in using two coins for the eyes, the ritual was found also in the Romans in the a.C centuries so there probably existed different kinds of rituals, Charon would still take the money no matter from where you cough it out 😂
why ain’t no one talking ab 1:50 when Poseidon drops am illusion of an infant and Odysseus looks absolutely broken. AMAZING attention to detail and I adoreee this animatic
..I think this is the best Epic animatic I've ever seen, the fluidity, the designs, the actual creeps Poseidon's horse form gives, the horror of the crew drowning. It's just perfect you're an amazing animator
One thing that I like about the artistic depiction here is that when Poseidon asks for an apology, Odysseus seems to try and placate him diplomatically. He is good with his words, he's a tricked the cyclops this way. He seems so confident in his supplication to Poseidon, and that is where Poseidon seems to take offense. It specifically after Odysseus tries to sway a god that the god strikes his crew down for the audacity of it. I love that detail.
Love the long-haired look you gave poseidon. For some reason. That's always a look reserved for Hades, but I really get why poseidon would look like that. He looks more like a man who had been adrift at see for ages. And the heavy emphasis on how his anger would manifest was great.
Bro, Poseidon mentioning the Trojan Horse in the "I am your darkest hour" part was awesome, but the mention of ODYSSUS THROWING THE BABY OFF THE WALL, BRO! In the "I mean, you could have avoided all of this if you had just killed my son. But no!" ANNIFLAMMA, YOU WERE GENIUS!
Okay, but why is no one talking about how you draw Poseidon as this fluid, formless *thing* eerily crawling along the edge of the ship before diving back into the water as he says "the pack of wolves is swimming with the shark now"? Or how you draw the massive waves and Poseidon's eerie smile in the waters as he drowns almost all of Odysseus' crew? Or how Poseidon's arm fluidly transitions between water and flesh when he first seizes Odysseus? OR THE TRANSITION OF THE HORSE DIVING INTO THE WATER TO GIANT POSEIDON SLAMMING HIS FOOT DOWN ON THE SHIP????? So many good moments, holy geez!!
@@RalMaybeyep, he created horses and is the father of cyclops’s When I saw his form as a giant horse emerging from the water, it actually gave me chills This animation is top tier
This is beautiful. The part that captures me is the smirk on Odyssey's face when he "apologizes" to Poseidon, stating that he was only trying to survive and he "took no pleasure in his pain". Polyphemus likely already told Poseidon of Odysseus's gloating. Poseidon's face clearly depicts his disbelief. This mortal man, with his and his crew's lives on the line isn't taking the situation seriously. He's not showing fear in his apology, and appears to think that he worded it so nicely, so clearly he's safe from harm? Except he wasn't and he lost that smirk real quick. Amazing animation.
I in his shoes would be very carefull, he sails in Poseidons Domaine, he could be killed very fast and he is stupid enough, after he lost alredy the Support of one goddess to anger one of the most powerful. I thought Odysseus was smart but well he showed that he didn't think of the consequences.
I love how Athena's leitmotif plays in the background when Poseidon is making his point. And the way Poseidon throws Odysseus' words back at him is so brutal; excellent writing.
The line "when does a ripple become a tidal wave, when does a man become a monster?" gives me goosebumps every single time. It goes from another metaphor about consequence among a dozen others to a bone chilling callback.
This is my favorite depiction of Poseidon ever. The fluidity, the sheer malice that radiates from him just showing up. It may be just me but he seems to be holding in anger the entire time we see him. And he’s just waiting to snap, I.e the “apology” and “die” I just love this depiction so much and felt the need to try and put it into words
I have never seen a more terrifying portrayal of Poseidon. AND YOU LEANED INTO THE WEIRD HORSE GOD THING. AND IT MADE IT SCARIER. wtf. The motion was so engaging as well. So much storytelling and expression. Fantastic work
2:10 feel like a nice detail that could have been added would be bleeding from the scalp after having just been yanked around like a rag doll by the hair
Okay maybe it's just me but is Poseidon drawn at a different frame rate than Odysseus and the crew? He's so fluid--it really shows the idea that he's a god on a different playing field than the rest of them. I've watched this at least fifteen times in the past two days. This is genuinely incredible.
It's likely, a lot of his scenes are done in a silhouette, which is a lot easier to animate rather than whole detailed line art characters. Especially for the scenes where Poseidon is all watery
This is tickling my brains in ALL the right ways, including him playing out Odysseus dropping the baby, and the “ALL I GOTTA DO IS OPEN THIS BAG, *W H A T?!* ”
I loved the 'dropping the baby' part in it. It really underlines how bizarre it actually is that he let the cyclops live at all. Like. You killed an innocent infant but let the monster that killed several of your men (including your best friend) live?
@@Cheshiregrinn91 The great offense wasnt that he was inconsistent with his mercy, its that he lies to even himself, disguising cowardice and tactical extraction BOTH the same as true mercy, offending the gods who quite literally choose to spare us every day, showing true clemency, and being spun as vindictive monsters when they, in their own celestial scope, act proportionate to THEIR emotions. Edit: for clarification, the God Poseidon is probably mad cuz they can't see the humanity in the gods just cuz they're powerful, similar to the psyclops who acted just like any greek rancher would at the time, and when the gods know better cuz they've practically existed forever, man thinks it can fool them with some disingenuity.
Everything about this is great, but the way horse Poseidon looks (horseidon?) just makes it even BETTER. Mostly because we all how how notorious horses are for being difficult to properly proportion, and every horse frame here is amazing
You have no idea how many horse videos I have watched to make sue that the proportion would look right 😰 And the worst thing is.... I want to draw more Horseidon!
@@anniflamma1496I absolutely Loved the horse parts, I also loved the terryfing glowing teeth version, the eyes reminded me a lot of Alternates from Mandela Catalog in a eery predatory way
@@anniflamma1496you can kinda chill about it Since horseidon isnt actually a horse but would be poseidon taking a form of a horse And considering he is still liquid there you can spill some mistakes there and that wouldnt be a big deal
One thing I like about this is the line " You could have avoided this had you just killed my son." It shows that, yes, if Polyphemus had been killed, Poseidon likely would have been sad, but not vengeful, because Polyphemus was killing Odysseus' crew. But what Odysseus did was put his son through PAIN. If they'd just slit his throat in his sleep, or shoved the pike into Polyphemus' brain, then it would have been quick and done with minimal pain. But they chose to "spare" him, causing him immense pain and making him live the life of a cripple. In their mercy, they were ultimately cruel. THAT is where Poseidon drew his line, and the pain Odysseus caused will be paid back in abundance.
This reply comes 4 weeks later at the time of me writing this, but 557* lives he was about to snuff out. Odysseus starts with 600 men under his command then pisses Poseidon off to the point that in a single moment, it's whittled down to 43.
@@dearroseprincess289 well, Polyphemus killed the 7 on the first ship, which only had 43, and the rest were full and got killed. There were only 43 on Odysseus’s ship, the rest that got drowned had the other 550
I find it fascinating that Poseidons face in this almost looks like a horse, long, narrow, the beard sculpting a specific shape out of it. Shows that even when playing nice with mortals, his realm is on display, or soemthing
“Playing nice” is not how I would describe this- All joking aside, I get what you mean. Even disregarding the potential symbolism of the horse’s face made by the space between his facial hair, (which could also have been a happy little accident), his human form seems wild and untamed, with his long hair flowing down unhindered and his gaunt face only aids the look of a fierce man who does not care about the thoughts or feelings of others. Even when he looks human, he still looks “other” in a way, because he does not look like he could be a part of most groups that people usually consider “civilized”, or even like part of a group at all, rather than a sort of “lone wolf” within the wilderness. Idk I just really love how emphasized it is that he is “other” even if he looks human.
"When does a ripple become a tidal wave?" When Poseidon gets pissed off because you literally blinded one of his million sons to save 600 people's lives.
“When does a man become a monster?” When Odysseus gets angry that Poseidon killed his men when HE was the one wouldn’t kill his son even though ATHENA freaking told him to.
@@RalMaybe no seriously like can you imagine all of this goes down and Odysseus is having a mental breakdown and Athena just comes outta nowhere like “I told you so”
I love the “invisible” as Odysseus’s face goes away and the cyclops eye in the background of Poseidon. Disassociating and just letting his rage for his son’s pain guide his hand.
1:49 in my head, this is poisdon calling Odyessus out on his double standards "So you'll kill an infant child to prevent him from being a threat, but not the active threat that was my son?"
Gosh, I love how CREEPY you made Poseidon! He absolutely REEKS of a vengeful god. The horse imagery is amazing, the expressions of horror and pain that flash in the eyes of Odysseus and his men are drawn and animated incredibly well, the movements are all so smooth and fluid... EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS IS SO GOOD!!!! You did amazing! :D
There is a brutal irony to not having killed the Cyclops after killing Hector's child back in Troy in order to avoid a future fate. Having Posiedon holding a shaow child as he sang that line was a brutal reminder of what Odysseus has already done, a demonstartably even more ruthless action than killing the Cyclops would have been.
Exactly. My headcanon is that Poseidon isn’t just punishing him for wounding his son. He’s punishing him for being a massive self serving hypocrite who’s more willing to spare a dangerous monster than he is a defenseless child.
3:52 I don’t know why, but the sudden tone change cracks me up every time. Everything is mournful and terrifying until… “✨ALL I GOTTA DO IS OPEN THIS BAG! ✨😄” “WAT?! 😟”
@@TIME-fe6ne For me it doesn't 😭 if I'm about to get killed by a sea god and I suddenly remembered I have a bag of air that could save me I WOULD BE HELLA HAPPY
I love the bit where Poseidon is holding the shadow of the child then drops it as a reminder of what Odysseus did to the infant and the look of regret on Odysseus’s face when Poseidon dose this.
the parallel from Poseidon dropping the baby gave me chills. He's saying 'maybe if you hadn't killed this child, none of this would have happened'. literal chills
думаю, немного иначе: когда Одиссей убил младенца, он защищал свою страну от возможности восстания против себя. Была вероятность, что выживший ребëнок узнает, как жестоко обошлись с его настоящим домом и будет мстить. И когда Посейдон швыряет тень с формой ребенка, он как бы говорит: "вот ситуация такая же, конечно же мне придëтся защищать свою репутацию бога, даже если мне пофиг на этого циклопа. Я вынужден из-за тебя марать руки о твой флот, может, хоть скажешь, что тебе жаль?" И тут Одиссей врет ему вместо извинений, ещë и улыбается, а после ещë и сбегает. Спойлер: я понимаю, почему в песне Get in the Water Посейдон грозится после такого унизительного проступка выколоть глаза сыну Одиссея, если главный герой не даст сделать хотя бы видимость мести и дальше будет вести себя слишком нагло
I don't know if anyone's mentioned this yet, but I absolutely love the contrast at the start. Odysseus and his men are shown on the ship, meanwhile as soon as Poseidon appears, he takes up the ENTIRE FRAME. It's just such a nice way to show how small they all are, compared to one of the prime gods of the Greek mythos. I mean this one being has complete dominion over the sea, so him swelling over the ship displays that immense power very well.
I CANNOT PROPERLY ARTICULATE HOW MUCH I LOVE THIS DESIGN OF POSEIDON. He's just got SUCH A MASSIVE PRESENCE whenever he's in frame, he FEELS intimidating
Poseidon: "It isn't very often that I get pissed off."
Everyone familiar with his mythology: "Why the fuck you lying?"
Hypocrite lol
Edit: I don’t really think hypocrite is the right word. I think I meant liar lol
BROseidon and Zeus's thundercock are responsible for like 80% of Greek drama
@@Epic_Halfblood On brand for the Olympians
Not really Poseidon rarely takes his anger out on mortals unless they really piss him off. That is mostly Zeus or Appolo and his sister. Shit even Athena is more prissy than him usually. The only times i can think of for poseidon to be temperamental enough to pull shit like this is they here and with Atlantis.
@@damianjarzebski5168 He tried to drown Athens after they chose Athena over him, picked a fight with Ares in reaction to Halirrhothius' death, punished Argos for choosing Hera over him, sent a sea monster to attack Troy after Laomedon broke an agreement, and was seen by the Greeks as both their protector from and the cause of earthquakes
Think what I like about this one is how *inhuman* Poseidon is. His face as a human is skull-like, a pale brow and hollow cheeks around monochromatic eyes and a beard that frames his lips apart from his jaws, like teeth. And when he shifts into a horse, he moves fluidly, standing like a statue that shatters the laws of motion when he shifts.
Poseidon isn't an especially powerful humanoid here. Poseidon is an aspect of reality and fantasy, reminders of death and fear. Trying to dance around him with words means he teaches you that his vows, like water too, can be unyielding.
There are people arguing in the comments about morality and justice, but ultimately Poseidon is just angry. You can't reason with an storm. There's no justification or logical debate which can make a typhoon change its course. That's the essence of Poseidon here, he's an angry storm, the backstory is just why he's angry, there's nothing Odysseys could say to calm him down, no more than he could talk down a thunderstorm.
Fun fact: Before the Greek Dark Age, Poseidon was seen as the god of the underworld as well as of the sea, horses and earthquakes.
yeah I agree, one of the big things I noticed. Poseidon here shifts so effortlessly between the forms. I think it's really nice depiction, he's more than any 1 form, but all of them, as much as he wants. He's a god, and he's not bound to anything. Also I think it just looks REALLY COOL. Also the part where he sinks the fleet really shows how powerful he is, he's not just a guy with storm powers, he IS the unyielding storm. HE sinks your fleets. Also at the beginning when he looks like a human, but his arm extends and deforms like flowing water, he IS the water. And you can't fight the water itself, it morphs into anything. It's soo good.
Of course, Poseidon's form keeps changing my favorite quote PJO Poseidon said was "The sea does not like to be restrained"
Also weird horse teeth
The moment where Posideon casually toyed with their battleships like it was nothing really emphasizes that this is a GOD they're facing. Like any natural disaster, you don't try to beat them, you survive them.
"You don't try to beat them, you survive them" is the PERFECT description you can give a god
What’s worse is it’s not even just a god they encountered in the wild. This is THE GOD OF THE SEAS, pissed off at you and confronting you IN THE MIDDLE OF THE OCEAN. I really can’t think of many worse situations to be in as an Ancient Greek. Other than pissing of Hades in the underworld, or Zeus on freaking Olympus.
@@ethanbergeron2688pissing off the sea god when his only means of travel is over sea is by far the dumbest thing that he could have possibly done, literally the act of saying his name out loud sealed him to this fate and it just shows how one single stupid act born from hubris can destroy ones whole world
@@Shadowblader98 In his defence, I'm pretty sure Odysseus didn't know Polyphemus was the son of Poseidon, and hence, that this deed would piss off the god of the sea. Of course that doesn't change the fact that "the wisest of the Greeks" was still acting incredibly foolish and prideful in loudly declaring his name and taunting an aggravated foe after "sparing" him...
@@predwin1998 In the musical yes, Odysseus has no idea that Polyphemus in Poseidons son, but in the book Polyphemus outright states that he's the son of Poseidon and Odysseus still taunts him so that was just pretty dumb.
Fucking love how every animator decided Poseidon is just physicaly beating the shit out of him. No magic jumbo just these good old hands and a little god strength lol
That and the fact he's too scared to fight back. If you just take it, it's possible you could live by acting weak and apologetic. Fight back, you're risking (even more) godly wrath, as well as disrespecting the will of a god.
Yeah, it makes no sense, but it's greek mythology, expecting it to make sense is a pretty high bar.
The singer of Poseidon is so amazing at portraying the absolute rage Poseidon was feeling that no one had any doubt he was throwing hands too. The way he said "That's what I HATE" is absolute venemous. I would cry if he said that to me.
@@luffyismyicon3860 You're right. The way you can feel his anger simmering below the surface like a rip, only to lash out at certain parts is incredible.
Kinda reminds me of when a teacher goes on a rant and you just wanna make yourself small and try not to be next.
Bros gonna catch these waves.
I like to think it's a combination like with each hot a wave crashes into another ship
For people asking why Poseidon seems not to care about Odysseus hurting his son and wishing he’d just killed him, for ancient Greeks a death in battle was a glorious end. If Odysseus killed Polyphemus it would be honorable for him and by extension Poseidon. By leaving him maimed and humiliated, he’s humiliated Poseidon, and for a god that’s the worst disservice you can give them.
It’s really weird from a 21st century western point of view, but it’s a pretty accurate depiction of Poseidon as a Greek god
Death in glory, versus life in disgrace. The idea isn't completely gone today. Mercy killing comes to mind. Not letting a living creature live in suffering. Let alone the number of vets that regret living through their service, though that in particular touches a number of very sensitive subjects that go to a whole different topic
Poseidon is not blind to the fact that they were trying to survive since his son was eating his men, which I think is poignant is that he is not mad that they tried to survive but rather that they let him live to be the fool rather than a foe worthy of being killed. Odysseus was well known as a clever man, to die to someone considered a hero is an honor in itself. Glory is not just for the the survivor but also the slain, for one to sing praises of deeds the foe has to be one of equal or greater power for it to be worthy of such songs. The cyclops would have been praised for his strength even if killed, instead he lives blind and reknown as a fool rather than a worthy opponent.
@@heathrin18 I do understand your point
Ancient Greeks = Klingons
It was also super hypocritical for Odysseus to end an infant over the sins of his father but also allow the fiend that killed his best friend to scrape by just being maimed
The literal god of the sea: "Any lasts words before I end you?"
Odysseus: *BAG*
yeah, youre the god of the seas, youre an olympian, youre the brother of Zeus, I should listen to you, u huh. NO YOU
"A"
Gawr Gura ahh answer
Imagine if Odysseus died there and those were his last words. Poseidon would’ve had to live the rest of his life wondering what the hell he meant
@@diegogarcicruz6134I was literally going to comment this. But, I’ve heard that those who die at sea, their souls go to Poseidon, not Hades. So, i think Poseidon probably really just could’ve asked him.
I do enjoy that Poseidon's whole point throughout the song is literally 'Buddy, if you'd actually finished my son off, I wouldn't have known who to punish'. He doesn't actually care for his child, or at least it seems that way. It seems that he's doing what he's doing because he knows someone that hurt something of his, and he's a greek god. If someone wrongs you, there is only one course of action.
Oh he cares. Poseidon is fairly consistently depicted as generally caring quite a lot for his kids. The fact that this is a mortal man who has handed an insult to a God.... yea, that just kinda compounds the issue.
@@selonianthDefinitely. And the point about killing the Cyclops is also about this supposed "mercy" that he very clearly doesn't believe from Odysseus: since when is torturing and permanently disabling your opponent more merciful than a quick death?
It's also an excuse: he already hated Athens and Athena and now here is her precious little general no longer under her protection and with his child's blood on his hands.
He doesn't even have to hold back. It's perfect.
@@Bloodanna What does Athens have to do with it? Odysseus isn't from there
@@RavenSutcliffeAthens is involved by proxy of Athena being involved. Poseidon is still ticked Athens picked Athena over him as their patron deity.
I love how this one really shows that you can't overpower a god, much less in his element. He seems dangerous in this one
Edit: This aged rather poorly.
Well that didn't age well lol
nope
Just like GOW, we learnt that modern audiences wanna beat the shit out of people who did them dirty, which is fair but cmon, the Greek way wasn't like that
Hahahaha…welp 😂
Vengeance Saga Ody: “Wanna bet? Hold my beer.” 😆😆😆
Even though the way Poseidon threatens and mocks Odysseus with his own prideful speech is really impactful and rightfully unsettling, it is so funny to me to imagine Polyphemus just giving his daddy all the details like
Polyphemus (sobbing): And- and he said t-that he's my d-darkest moment...
Poseidon (About to end this man's who career): Did he now~
Polyphemus:*then he did this *opens his eyes socket*blinded me and left me a burden to you*cries*
Posidin:*kind tone*don't worry son,you ARNT a burden to me..with or without a eyeyiu go rest....*toan turns angered as he walks towards the ocean*im going to make him apologize for hurting you.
The other gods:uh oh.
@@sherryelder9511honestly the other gods are probably used to it considering the fact that Poseidon gets mad SO FREAKIN OFTEN
@@ThatOneNerdInCabin13Poseidon would probably get pissed and wipe out an entire city just because a cupbearer spilled a bit of wine on him.
@@ThatOneNerdInCabin13That makes the “I try to chill with the waves” line funnier to me. Because in myth, Poseidon is so rarely seen being chill.
@@TheBeastBanditI mean, his statement isn't inaccurate. Close to shore and safety, the waves are calm. Out on the sea? Not so much.
I love how Odysseus goes from mental breakdown to "Jokes on you I have a bag"
fair. but it's funny
You just know in this context Poseidon is probably thinking "ok who gave this guy the magic escape bag?"
@@Shadowblader98 More like going "DAMN IT HERMES!!!"
@@IceQueen975 Hermes: nope this one wasn't me, at least not this time
And he says it in such a jolly way too lol
I love the inclusion of the baby cause it shows how hypocritical Odysseus is being. Hes willing to kill a baby, to protect his family but not simply kill the cyclops who was trying to kill him. Amazing work
I noticed that too, it’s probably why he looked cold when dropping it. Like “Your willing to kill a defenseless babe, but MY son who was trying harm…you spared? Please. -_-“
I think that's part of it, though. He killed the baby and it kind of broke his resolve. I think the guilt is what's causing this change
well let's be fair he probably let the cyclops live as revenge he wanted him suffer for picking the fight he's just not gonna admit that when apologizing cause let's be real that's asking for it and the gods aren't that good at sussing out liars
@@marley7868 lol very true
I also like the point of the song “Ruthlessness is mercy upon ourself” being ruthless makes things easier for you. Leaving enemies alive allows more enemies to appear. Poseidon wouldn’t have known if his son Was killed
Just have to comment how much I love the parallel of Poseidon dropping the depiction of his son as a baby just like Odysseus did with the baby in the beginning of the story, when he was showing ruthlessness and the obvious choice was to kill the child as a mercy to himself in the future.
If I recall, Zeus goated him into it. After that, everything went to hell in a hand basket. The gods are nothing but spiteful monsters that care not for those without power.
@@winterknight5923 Zeus is still the god of Justice, and Apollo was his prophet without compare. He didn't lie to Odysseus, his warnings were sincere.
@@Hypogean7 Doesn't change how the gods are playing with the lives of mortals. That's literally what the entire Trojan war is about, the gods playing games with the Trojans and the Greeks. Also, in the very first song, Zeus doesn't even consider the other options of letting Ody raise the kid or send him far from Troy because the gods WILL make sure the kid knows what happens because Greekt Mythology
@@blitzvalentine363 He even says in the lyrics of that song that even if Ody did raise the kid, the gods would just tell the kid about his true heiritage regardless. Meaning the gods are so damn spiteful that they would turn a child against their parent. In the end, the gods would still interfere regardless.
@@winterknight5923 In ancient greek culture, the true parents were the blood parents.
First of all, I like this Poseidon in his roughness. That the way he drags and shoves Odysseus shows that he is nothing more than a man who can do nothing before the power of god.
Secondly, I like how Poseidon mocks Odysseus’s emotional trauma, remembering the baby. Obviously, he was referring to Troy here.
Thirdly, am I not the only one who thought Odysseus was smug at the moment of apology?This is what Poseidon is talking about and it is clear that he has not forgiven him
I think it was the part when Odysseus state that he took no pleasure in Polythemus' pain. Which was a flat out lie since Odysseus literally shouted out his name to the Cyclops so he can always remember that it was he that blinded him.
Also Odysseus never truly apologize about blinding Cyclops. Notice he never outright says he sorry, but rather framing it as a form of self-defense ('I only meant to disarm, I only want to run away'). Which yeah, was true, but not something a father would want to hear.
@@fbiuzzYES I AM ABOUT THIS. YOU EXPRESSED MY THOUGHTS BETTER THAN ME
As a fellow smug guy myself, Poseidon is right, we kinda deserve the worst the moment we apologize.
@@fbiuzz I don't even think this was why he did it. The entire song Poseidon is giving Odysseus a lesson on being ruthless because he is wanting to be good and merciful to everyone he meets. The entire song is Poseidon saying show no mercy to anyone. Then after all that he says to apologize? No.
"The line between naivety and hopefulness is almost invisible"
Naivety is referring to a lack of wisdom or judgement that Odysseus thinks Poseidon will actually let him go. In Greek mythology Poseidon is the most petty among the gods. After that entire song, and with that background, why would Poseidon all of a sudden show mercy to the man that blinded his son, didn't kill him, and openly told him his name?
Poseidon was never going to spare Odysseus or the fleet regardless of whether he apologized or not. It's only thanks to the bag of wind that Odysseus got his last ship away before they died as well.
nah you weren't, I was questioning why this man was smiling as he was trying to appease Poseidon
Something I love about Poseidons attitude about what Odysseus did to his son was that he doesn’t actually care that much about his son, things die all the time, it’s part of a natural order. However, Odesseus MAIMED his son and his “mercy” left him disfigured, which he is taking more of in insult towards than actually caring about the state of his son
Agreed.
Honestly I get that, while I’d be pissed at both happening to someone, forcing someone to live with the injuries you gave them is crueler than just straight killing them.
@@Draftsman_MC1300At least the person is still alive.
Considering Odysseus flat out insulted Poseidon by using a horse statue as a false offering, blinded his son and called it 'mercy' despite it being entirely a way to spit upon his foe, and worse of all Odysseus had the sheer gall to get another God's help to negate Poseidon's minimum effort punishment (the storm that the Wind God removed)... Poseidon's beyond pissed.
Actually, it's not that. Poseidon deeply cares about his children. The reason he said you would've escaped if you'd just killed him was because polyphemus complains to Poseidon about Odysseus, causing him to take vengeance. Whereas if Odysseus had just killed him and not you know proudly given out his identity, none of this would've happened
"You reveal your name! then you let him live!" always gets me. Like what the hell was Odysseus trying to accomplish by doing that and what the hell could he hope to even say to Poseidon to escape from this situation? Then he goes and takes the god for a fool. The man's hubris is incommensurable and i love the various shades of grey in it.
I've always Poseidon facepalming during that line, just because the second half has an element of "you dumbass" to it
@@constantlycomic1290 absolutely!
Ody really doxxed himself for free .99
I think Odysseus was trying to follow in Polites' example of being kind and honour his friend
In my Uni English class I was arguing that Odysseus’ hubris would ultimately lead to his downfall. However, my professor was saying no, like that hubris was not a thing during this time, it was honorable to claim feats of victories or whatever. And that actually saying who he was, this story would end up going to Ithaca (through bards and storytellers) to tell his wife and everyone else that he, king of Ithaca, was still alive and on the way back home.
The fact that Odysseus’s eyes widened when Poseidon dropped the shadowy baby as a callback to what he had to do in the first song, and that he wouldn’t do the same to the cyclops, was really good.
Horses with forward facing predator eyes are fking terrifying, give them that and mouths that open more like a dogs but keeping the same flat teeth and its really a creey addition you dont want.
Could not imagine Posei-horse being the last thing I see before I drown 😭 Nightmarish is an understatement.
@@TheBeastBanditid prefer an actual kelpie
It reminds me of mlp infection aus lol
The eyes themselves, when Poseidon says the line,”Die” and after the ensemble asks when does a ripple become a tidal wave 🌊, are SO CREEPY 😨😰
@@TheBeastBandit hades better be offering therapy in the underworld cuz damm
Man Poseidon spitting back his “I am your darkest moment” after killing most of his men is wild
"All i gotta do is open this bag :D"
I noticed that it echoed Odysseus’s line saying that exact thing to the cyclops.
@@animacaodeumamador1006 WHAT?!
@@Epic_Halfblood remember me….
@@Epic_Halfblood There is another animatic (I dont remember the name now) where it shows how Odysseus and his crew escaped from the Cyclops
It's so creepy when the lyrics say "die" and that terrifying smiling horse just looms over the ships
Remember creepypastas?
Imagine one called "Posieden"
Berserk Horse lookin' ahh
That's one of my favorite parts. It's so scary
When we look into our deepest roots, we often find dark gods staring back. Poseidon is no different, for the god of the seas was once known as the King Earthshaker.
@@DontObliteratetheCommenter why do I need this tho? Like creepy pasta for Greek gods and mythology. Sounds sick dude
I like that Poseidon grabs Odysseus instead of beating him to make him uncomfortable and made him feel helpless and feel like a child
I love the line "the pack of wolves is swimming with the Shark now" for the use of the singular, there is ONE shark, THE shark, doesn't matter how many wolves there are, the Shark can't be beaten. Only escaped.
Sea wolves : Orcas...
@@TravellingTortuga I thought he said 'the mackerels' are swimming with the sharks now lol
Also note, what animal is most notorious for stealing sheep from shepherds? What animal is most associated with eating/mauling human children when the parents aren't looking?
"Your honor, Exhibit A combating the Commenters point" *Shows Jaws*
This entire time I thought he was saying "pack of fools" instead of "pack of wolves"
Odysseus: trying to silver tongue his way out of trouble.
Poseidon: "Oh, I ain't having any of that."
I wonder, at least in terms of the musical, do you think a frank and honest "I'm sorry for hurting your son" from Odysseus would have worked?
@@rommielee5888 IMO Poseidon would’ve still tried to kill him & his crew.
@@curestarlight3023 Indeed, may as well not give him the satisfaction xD
Poseidon: talk no jutsu doesn't work here
If the musical is authentic to the source? Maybe. The Greek Pantheon was kind of fickle that way. Poseidon has a record of acting infrequently, but spectacularly. Like the sea it's self. And Odysseus has stepped on his toes more than once already. So this was a decent breaking point. @@rommielee5888
I do really like Poseidon is saying in this song. That Odysseus's "mercy" was crueler than just simply killing the cyclops and Odysseus's Naivety basically killed all his men.
Yeah, disproportionate retribution is kind of something all the Olympians are known for. Brutal as it is, killing all but a handful of Odysseus's men is pretty on-brand for someone like Poseidon. If it weren't for his desire to see Odysseus suffer that kind of loss, he probably would've just killed everyone and not given him the chance to open the bag.
Like he really think lying to a God face 2 face was gonna work
yes
@@neospiderman2165 One of the most powerful Olympian as well
@@neospiderman2165 I didn't take it as lying so much as a lack of introspection; This is Poseidon playing Trumen to Odysseus' Oppenheimer:
Odysseus: "I have blood on my hands!"
Poseidon: "Blood on his hands, dammit, he hasn't half as much blood on his hands as I have. You just don't go around bellyaching about it."
i like that part at 0:52 when odysseus realizes he made quite a large mistake. like he doesnt even open his mouth
I think modern retellings of Greek myth forget how freaking scary Poseidon is…like he IS the ocean so tsunamis, whirlpools, etc, are him. Poseidon is terrifying
before Hades entered Greek mythology, Poseidon was in charge of the underworld too. The ocean is a depthless grave filled with creatures human eyes were never meant to see that will forget the names of all its victims.
@@deliabailey7422fun fact: he was also king of the gods back then. Mycanean Greece put more stock in cthonic gods than Hellenistic Greece did. Any gods associated with the underworld at all were given higher importance than those without underworld connections. Poseidon, being the underworld's king, was thus given top spot, while Zeus' domain of the sky, basically as far away from the underworld as you could get, left him with little authority in the pantheon.
Things got shuffled around during the Grecian Dark Ages, and when we got to the other side, Zeus was now at top billing with the epithet Panhelle'nius, basically labelling him as king of everything, and Poseidon was split between his domain of the seas, and Hades as the new underworld king. However, Poseidon's reign of king of the dead wasn't fully forgotten, honored in his title of The Earthshaker.
Can't forget earthquakes.
One thing I wished Percy Jackson did was show Poseidons meaner side.
@@cmae03 eh, it makes sense why they didn't. He IS Percy's dad after all.
I absolutely love that when Poseidon is throwing Odysseus around you get the feeling of being sucked into a whirlpool.
Ooooh, true! I couldn't wrap my head around this sequence 😅
I am obsessed with the animation of that scene
Getting caught underneath a wave when I was little, it feels exactly like how they animated it, being spun around and not able to escape until It let's you go
This!!! It’s one of my favorite parts of animation here. It perfectly encapsulates the helpless feeling of drowning!!!
@@dylanfoolerIt’s very poetic when you put it that way, Poseidon being the wave not letting odysseus go and being trapped in its grasp.
Congratulations on making the scariest Poseidon design I've ever seen, particularly in his horse form with the glowing teeth- that's just goddamn unsettling
Very much so!
IKR LIKE DAMNNNNN
This HAD to be a berserk reference
He does often have a bit of an _Aquaman_ vibe in modern depictions, doesn't he. This one was *much* better at capturing just what a *terrifying* concept the sea really is! The tempestuousness and unpredictability of storms, the inky blackness of the depths and just how fucking *ill* equipped we are to survive in it as an environment!
yeah it's almost as bad as the nucklevee
I love how when Poseidon shows himself he's a horse, it's a nice hint since he's also the god of horses, and the fact he shapeshifts so freely and smoothly shows how connected he is to the water
No joke, the entire sequence of Odysseus's crew just screaming "Captain!" over and over while drowning gave me chills. It really highlighted how helpless Odysseus actually is in front of Poseidon, to the point where he wasn't able to even help his own crew and was only able to stay alive because Poseidon wanted him to. Not because of his wit, or his smarts, or anything else Odysseus was known for. Only because Poseidon wanted to gloat. Look at how powerless you are. Look at how your decisions have caused your crew's downfall. Look.
I was thinking the same thing hearing the chorus of “Captain” is so eerie, especially when it is sharply cut off.
Oh my god, I totally didn't pick up on the undertone of 'captain' through that part, that's absolutely chilling!
Right???, it breaks my heart every time because it also proves Eurlycaus right that his pride and arrogance would get everyone killed. the parts by the ensemble are so good
Not only that but Odysseus blinded the Cyclops and then left him ALIVE in a show of supposed mercy. Poseidon was also showing Odysseus what kind of pain that type of mercy can cause. Or at least that is what I took from it.
@@TsukiNoShinjitsuOh shit I never thought of it that way!! That’s an excellent point!
The visual of the baby that Poseidon drops hitting the deck timed with the "You are far too nice" lyric hits so hard. It's clear that Odysseus thinks killing that baby is the worst thing he has ever done, so for Poseidon to call him "nice" and merciful right then is exqusite torture.
You could see how watching that baby hit the deck hurt Odysseus. I love how everything Poseidon did, everything he said, every form he took, was some kind of barb to get under Odysseus’ skin, too!
given what the gods are up to any given weekend, its not hard to see why hed say that
@@ZenitsusDad OMG, right? Especially appearing as a horse.
Poseidon took the image Odysseus's greatest achievement (the Trojan Horse) and used it for 4 minutes solid to torture him and then uno reverse it to kill over 500 of the same men who were inside of it to sack/destroy Troy.
It was a magnificent choice by the artist and I am in awe of the creativity
@AnonEMouse-ls7fp Poseidon basically says, "oh, you like horses? I INVENTED THEM."
@@AnonEMouse-ls7fpIsn’t the horse also fairly associated with Poseidon as a call sign? Odysseus using a Trojan horse on Troy, which Poseidon was betting on that city winning, must’ve felt like a big slap to the face in his name.
Add in his son getting blinded (Poseidons generally depicted as a caring father a lot), and all bets were off.
I love Odysseus expressions in his “apology”. He is not just smug, he looks to the side just for a second to figure out how to spin the tale & starts playing the part of being contrite without having to actually say sorry & when he’s done he smiles like he just singlehandedly defeated the ocean. Poseidon just dragged him around like a rag doll & played with the ship just as easy but now that he thinks he can win just by talking he immediately looks confident & relaxed, & just like with the Cyclops it doesn’t work, because Eurylochus is right, he is getting them killed by trying to play smart with Gods
I acutally think he was kinda smug in his response. Like if you look at the way he said it... the dude never truly apologized. It's more of a: "Well... I didn't mean it, but he kinda had it coming. It was just self-defense". I think it's pretty interesting if you take into consideration the songs preceding it like "Warrior of the Mind" and "My Goodbye"... dude basically told Athena, a very powerful god and rival to Poseidon to "fuck off".
@@khoivo7947 you are totally right, he is so prideful that he thinks he can keep going against gods because he is so smart. He refuses to accept his limits & straight up smiles at Poseidon when offering his non apology because he is so sure he can talk his way out of everything
He literally just needed to apologize but he didn't like the arrogant man he was and then asked what Poseidan had done when he was responsible for them because of his own actions, too 'merciful' to put Polyphemus down but too arrogant to just apologize for leaving him blind on that island with other Cyclops who may take advantage
@@liamjacques5335agreed. Poseidon gave him an out and Odysseus practically throw it in his face. I also like how he, after giving Odysseus a look of disgust, looking regretfully towards the sky before he transforms. He knows his dooming most of the crew to aimlessly wonder the underworld due to not having proper burials, but Odysseus must be taught a lesson and they’re unfortunately part of that lesson.
@@thomashuizinga4618 I was about to say exactly this. The look of absolute disgust on Poseidon's face. Until this point, Poseidon had been pretty reasonable. He was angry and he wanted to kill Odysseus, but instead he just basically lectured him and asked for an apology. It's not even rage, it's just "you absolute idiot".
Omg I don’t know how I catch this but at 3:59 for a single frame ody’s face screams “eat SHIT” then for a frame after that it looks like he’s going”AAAAAAAAAAAAAA” behind the wind(for a better representation for the “AAAAAAAAAAAAA” just look up “TheOdd1sOut screaming bloody murder”)
I’m sorry, I can’t get over the fact that we probably have the most intense scene from this musical with Poseidon killing hundreds of men and the writers go “oh right, we need something funny here”
Odysseus: “all I gotta do is open this bag” in such a lighthearted tone like he didn’t just almost drown
I freaking died
I honestly always read that line as desperation on Odysseus part, he’s grasping for anything and gets reminded of the fairly lighthearted song about the bag (until it wasn’t but still), so he both escapes and taunts Poseidon by doing that
@@NoRegs30 Same! He's just lost hundreds of the men he led for 20 years, who trusted him to lead them, and there's nothing he can do fight back a vengeful god. But as Poseidon said there are 43 left, so how to save those remaining 43 who only live because they're on Odysseus' own ship and Poseidon saved him for last...?
By saying/doing something so unexpected Poseidon doesn't have the time to react before they're out. The way he delivers the line is jarring but that, I feel, is because it's intended to be. It needs to make a GOD go "??????" for a long enough moment that the remaining wind can drag them out of immediate reach.
Eh, the Watsonian rationalizations here fall pretty flat I feel. It was still a glaring chunk of bathos, especially in light of the unspeakable tragedy that had just happened.
I mean sure, give him a wry smile, a maniacal laugh even, but not this giddy cheeriness like we just switched scripts with a Trolls movie.
@@michaeldeighton323
Lmao, using all those technical words to make a non-argument and then insult the quality.
Bathos is used as an intentional anti-climax, a way of immediate subversion to segue into the next part where no clean transition exists. For Odysseus of all characters, it works the best. He's still a soldier. Everyone is dead. His ship is the only one that remains. But HE is still alive and he still has some men. He is an optimistic bastard by design. He remembers what he has, sees Poseidon's hubris as a weakness, then uses the tone shift to confuse the God enough to escape. With Poseidon DECIDING to let him go, with the sinister threat (Which is contained in the musical stings of the piano) that this escape is temporary and that Poseidon won't forget.
Tone is carried by the instrumentation as much as the lyrics and their delivery. In comparison to the total piece, there's a more clear transition away from brief triumph to grief. It's only glaring because this is one song out of a series, so there's no continuation. You're condemning a part without the context of the whole.
Would it work in a normal play? Probably not, but Musicals don't function the same as plays. They have different rules and standards. So take some time to learn those rules and standards before passing harsh judgement.
These words are probably wasted and it will just get countered by semantics, grammatical mistakes, or just calling me a "Fan boy" or whatever like I've seen all around the criticisms that have been confronted. But I figured I'd throw them out there anyways for those who wish to either have a dialogue or see a perspective that goes into detail as to why these things work.
@@CoolColton947 dang, bro. That's gonna register as a solid "yikes" from me. If you don't want to be labeled a fanboy, maybe don't post a comment dripping with obvious resentment that someone dared criticise something you liked.
Yes, I am indeed aware of the meaning of the words I used. Very understandable that you would assume I was just ignorantly using them to try and sound smart, I do get that a lot, but that would I hope be a largely incorrect assumption in this case.
To be clear, I just listened to the version sans animatic again (this song is really worming into my brain). It really clarified that my issue with that line is primarily due to how Odysseus was animated. The gigantic face-splitting grin, mainly.
Hopefully that was sufficient to communicate that I'm not just shitting on stuff for kicks. If not... eh, I've probably spent too much time on this thread already.
I LOVE that you made Poseidon use a horse form, both because its one of the animals he is associated with, but also because it's another layer of mocking Odysseus with the depiction that will remind him of his Trojan Horse
I just realized something.
Related question:
Have you bothered to watch Frozen 2.
@@DontObliteratetheCommenter no 👍
@@pixlv6384 good never watch it
@pixlv6384 look up dark sea scene frozen 2. The ost is great and you'll know why I brought it up.
Unless you already watched the trailer and know that ]xxxx[
@@DontObliteratetheCommenter why?
Holy fuck this is incredible. I love how free form posideon is with his form, quickly shifting from man to horse to weird eldritch horse. And this is some of the best use of posideon being the God of horses I've ever seen or even thought of. Overall, it's a phenomenal job, and I can't wait for more in the future.
Edit: just to gush a bit more about this incredible piece of art, the whole transition from huge posideon into the smaller but still big posideon that drops the baby is just *chefs kiss* capital P Phenomenal. As well as the entire sequence of posideon just fucking up Odysseus by the hair, and the whole seen of him murdering the crew make me want an animated Epic:the musical film so bad.
Yeah, it flows well that the gods take on forms that humans can perceive yet they are still fluid enough to shift forms at the drop of a hat, this is especially so with Poseidon here since it also uses water elements along with the shifting between human and horse forms. Overall this is a very fitting visual to show Poseidon’s wrath towards Odysseus for blinding Polyphemus and leaving him alive.
😮❤~ o live how he appears as a BLACK ~🖤 horse since sailors know great waves as WHITE HORSES ~ 🍚 🍥 🌨
@amandabartels458 this is fantastic information, thank you
Oops~ sorry 🙏 MEANT:
I love how the sea God turns into a 🖤 horse because sailors use to know wavez as the: WHITE HORSES ~ didn't mean to shout\🚀
In the texting. Constantly having to SWITCHBACK ~ & forth is
Can’t agree more
Honestly the thing I love most about this is the way that Poseidon is animated, it makes him feel like an embodiment of nature. He's not just the Lord of the Sea, he *is* the Sea, and this animation really gets that across to me.
3:38 God, the symbolism of "I am your darkest moment, the monster that always draws near" being said by Poseidon as a HORSE, considering that Odysseus's regrets in Troy is what led to his actions envoking Poseidons wrath made my jaw drop. Triple S+ teir!
OH MY GOD YOURE RIGHT?
I didn't pick that up until I read this, now I love this even more, thank you!
N he used the Trojan horse Stat to win 2
It’s also almost the same thing Odysseus said to Polyphem when they departed after stabbing him in the eye "I’m your darkest moment […] the infamous Odysseus“
Like someone already said in the reply, I think it was also to remind Odysseus of his last words to Polythem. Making it clear that he was very aware that the "We took no pleasure in his pain" was a flat out lie on top of no apology for leaving his son, a cyclops, BLIND and calls that "mercy"
Odysseus’ fatal flaw is definitely hubris. And you can totally see it in his ‘apology’. Not only did he look a little smug, he never even apologized. Who cares if you don’t think you actually have to, that’s the God of the fucking Sea, say sorry.
Especially when that god literally just said he’d kill you if you didn’t say sorry. He was so proud of that 600 men led to war and back, and he could’ve kept it that way if he’d just apologized.
@@ZenitsusDad funnily enough, Poseidon would never have done that even if he did apologise. He is literally preaching ruthlessness, why would he be merciful
@@deejaydee1578 that’s true. I think there still would’ve been some kind of punishment but I don’t know that 557 of his men would’ve paid the price
@@ZenitsusDad I would argue that nothing would've changed. The line is quite clear (in my interpertation) "The line between naivete and hopefulness is almost invisible" means "Looks like you've learned nothing boy" to me.
@@narutim097 Nothing would have changed is exactly right. Poseidon still would have killed all of his men. Poseidon gives Odysseus the chance to apologize as a trick. After singing a whole song about how ruthlessness is required, why would he want an apology or grant mercy. He is looking for Odysseus to essentially say he isn't sorry and he would do it again if he had to. Poseidon says, "The line between naivete and hopefulness is almost invisible" because hoping Poseidon would spare Odysseus or his crew was stupid in the God's viewpoint.
“You are the worst kinda of good cause you’re not even great” just hits different
It’s the 11th commandment that thou shalt head bang at “NOT E-VEN GREAT”
so true
"And I will give BIG thanks to my friend who was willing to pretend to drown in my bed so I could have some references." This added so, so much to the animation, thank your friend for me as well! The hair on my neck stood up watching the soldiers drown.
I love how when Poseidon says "the line between naivety and hopelessness is almost invisible" Odysseus' face disappears.
Because he doesnt matter, he just looks like any other human to Poseidon and he isnt doing the ONE thing that Poseidon asked him to. Apologies.
The honeyed words and charming expressions of Odysseus are irrelevant, Poseidon asked for an apology and you arent doing that. Thats the only thing that matters here.
I think Poseidon was gonna kill him anyway actually, to humiliate then kill him, so "the line between naivety and hopefulness is almost invisible" is more or less him saying "Did you really think you had a chance of survival?"
@@grawlix-man463 I think he was more gauging how many crewmates he would kill off the bat depending on the next step. Had Odysseus actually apologized, he may have been able to get away with more men.
But instead of an apology, he gave Poseidon a justification. Imagine being told your child was made permanently blind and the only thing said by the one who did it was “They wouldn’t let me go.” Like, yeah, I get the response, but to that extreme? To go that far?
@@niceofgames To be fair they really were stuck due to his body blocking the way out, I doubt they could get him up from a drug induced unconscious without dealing some big damage, plus the fact that the cyclops would probably just immediately continue fighting them if they got him up some other way.
It's amazing how many terrible situations Odysseus gets himself in just because he can't stop talking lol
personally i think this part of the song is actually mirroring to a similar part in Polyphemus that follows the same dynamic. Odysseus and his crew fuck up, they apologise to whomever they pissed off, Odysseus makes some stupid ass smug joke ("Im so glad we see eye to eye" and "We took no pleasure in his pain" when everyone was deadass excited about killing the cyclops😭), and the guy they pissed off finally revealing that they didn't plan to spare them at all.
plus, i really like the way the musical thwarts Odysseus' hubris (pride/arrogance in greek) so much to the point where he never even considers that he had messed up not when he let the cyclops live, but when he revealed his name.
in the odyssey, the entire lesson is "don't be fucking cocky cause u aint that smart", and his greatest flaw was his arrogance. in the musical, i think the reason Poseidon doesn't mention Odysseus' hubris is because gods are by nature very arrogant, and to them taunting and mocking is only natural (we can see them mocking mortals constantly: when Zeus uses the wordplay to insinuate the infant, when Poseidon throws Odysseus around, etc.). that's why Poseidon only emphasises on Odysseus' hypocritical "mercy".
but in "Monster", we can see that Odysseus is so fucking arrogant he can't see he's arrogant. in fact, just how he compares himself to fucking eldritch horrors, immortal sorceresses, and a whole ass god, that highlights his pride. he's not willing to admit that he killed his men when he revealed his name. he's not willing to admit that he messed up, so he insists on how he is too "merciful".
i think it's intentional, because in 'Luck Runs Out', Eurylochus does mention how Odysseus relies on wit. while it could be interpreted only that he was always trying to trick everyone, the reason first and foremost that he even is running around tricking everyone is because he is arrogant. an average mortal wouldn't go for Odysseus' tricks not only because they aren't as smart, but also because... the enemies are divine. they're monsters and gods from the mythos, and those who are humble would know that its not their place to even attempt to fool them.
we can see that since the beginning of the play, in "The Horse and The Infant". when Zeus orders Odysseus to kill the baby, before anything else, Odysseus starts suggesting tricks instead of something straightforward ("raise him as my own, or send him far away from home, make sure his past is never known"). later, it isn't his guilt, or his mercifulness, that separates him from Athena. it is his pride: even as Athena scolds him, he ends up insulting HER.
so i feel that luck runs out was basically Eurylochus trying to bring Odysseus back to earth, reminding him that they were all just mortals after all (how much longer til your great days cease)
thanks for coming to my ted talk 😭
@@amberx1273 I keep seeing people pointing to The Horse And The Infant as an example of Odysseus being arrogant and I honestly don't see it at all.
I mean, yes, he is arrogant and overconfident and makes a number of fuckups and his trash-talking of Athena was ill advised even if he probably had a point, but trying to find alternatives to "kill the baby" instead of just immediately going along with it is the kind of arrogance we need a lot more of in this world. Without the ability to try and come up with "tricks" like that, humans would basically just be pawns doing whatever the gods wanted with no agency whatsoever.
If anything, that particular example shows a good balance of realism and arrogance: Odysseus does his best to find a way out of the situation, but he doesn't actually try any of those other methods in the end.
The disrespect of Poseidon just dragging him across the deck by the hair is insane, considering he could have thrown him across the deck literally ANY OTHER WAY.
greek gods, wouldn't be themselves if they weren't hypocrites. Zeus is the god of hospitality and punishes those who break into the homes of others or don't treat guests well, but he constantly breaks into the homes of women and dosen't let anyone on Olympus but the big 12
@@CaptainPoseidon282okay I did not know Zeus of all things was the god of hospitality(I would've expected that from Hestia honestly or some other more domestic affiliated god) so I literally wheezed and laughed cause oh my, the hypocrisy just gets thicker with each new fact that I learn and i have looked up and done so much research on mythology since I was in elementary lol
I loved him shaking Odysseus around like he's rubbing a dog's face in the mess they made
Honestly my fave part
Hair hurts more tbh
The way Odysseus’ men desperatly shout « Captain » while drowning, like they think he can help them is so heartbreaking. The way they loved him is just ❤❤❤
Did the same thing when fighting the cyclops. "Captain" wad the last thing they ever said
They put complete trust in his command, since they went to war and none of the 600 men died there.
"Ruthlessness is mercy upon- CAPTAIN" goes hard
@@umseraleatorio2428 ikr
Honestly, they didn’t even realize that he was leading them to their deaths
I've seen several Poseidons animated at this point, and this one is my favorite by far -- The dark, oily hair; the calm anger; the way he "flows" from one place to another; the embodiment of horses, in a dread-inducing way. Other Poseidons seem like they're trying to scare or unnerve Odysseus, but this one couldn't care less; he's just here to squash a bug.
Im not sure if anyone else mentioned this, but I love it when Poseidon goes from horse to giant with his foot on the ship, how the water is his cloak. It's such a small detail that adds so much to the fact that Poseidon is a GOD
Wanted to comment this but I was already scrolling lol. Glad someone said this, it’s such a cool detail :D
Small details is all that matters
I forgot that Poseidon is also the god of horses 🐎
They say horses are made out of sea foam ❤❤❤
They called Hippocamps, but yeah, sea horses
And earthquakes.
But yes that’s what the Trojan Horse was suppose to be in the view of the Trojans. A offering to Poseidon for safe travel back to Greece by the “retreating” Greek forces.
@@saland6027No, all horses.
Wait really?!
I love how his face when reacting to Odysseus's "apology" looked a lot like what I imagined the phrase The Lion the Witch and the audacity of this b**** would look like
This is the best description I've read about that particular scene
FR he looks like he's thinking "bitch did you not hear a word I just said? You needed to escape fine but you should've finished the job"
I agree with that assessment and this is the first time I've seen someone with the same interpretation. Poseidon wanted to hear what happened to his son from the horses mouth so to speak and if Athena hadn't abandoned Ody then he would have seen it was a trick and possibly would have avoided falling for it.
I love the fact that he never actually apologized. He never said I’m sorry for what I did.
2:55 I think it’s neat that Odysseus’s eyes fade into nothing like the rest of his crews eyes having Poseidon see that Odysseus is just another person and another victim to get revenge on
i am loving the 'posiden being god of horses' representation that we haven't seen since the percy jackson books.
Actually, they did it in God of War too- and in an incredibly creepy fashion.
Depending how far you go back demeter also turns into a horse to outrun poseidon. She isn't fast enough, poseidon catches her after turning into a horse himself and the result is persephone.
@@kariissmol9172 I never knew there was a version where Poseidon was the father of Persephone it's usually always Zeus.
Tfw you're main domain is the sea but in your heart of hearts you're a horse girl
Even they didn't really do the whole of Poseidon justice, they focused on the Stormbringer aspect a lot, Earthshaker was addressed once in BoTL, Father of Horses is pretty focused on but they only give Father of Monsters the bare minimum focus. Once with Tyson in SoM and Antaeus in BoTL.
_Ruthlessness is mercy upon ourselves_ is maybe the absolute *hardest* bar in lyrical history.
That's what I've been thinking it's so great
… it took me so long to realize that’s what he was saying. I thought it was “Mercy on our sails” and I just went with it
Another great line is "You are the worst kind of good, cause you're not even great." That was a hell of a bar.
I thought he said 'right' tbh
Could you help me understand correctly what he means by that statement? English is not my first language and I've only been studying for a few years, so before I heard this song I didn't even know what the word "ruthlessness" means. Now that I've translated it and there were like 1000 different words to say it in my first language I'm so confused about what the lesson might be that Poseidon wants to teach Odysseus.
4:16
Being the god of the seas, there's no reason that Posiden couldn't have stopped the ship's escape.
"Remember me," is the same thing Odysseus told Polyphemus
While the original intent was to kill Odysseus, he decided to instead to let him live with the mistake that caused hundreds of deaths.
He ultimately gave the same sentence, loss of the flock and personal pain
Holy crapp good jon
I feel like it's practically confirmed by the lines "I've been waiting for this moment." "When your home's so close, that's when our paths collide." from Get in the Water, that Poseidon lets him go here because he knows where Odysseus is going, just to inflict greater damage later on.
To be fair, Poseidon is god of the sea, but the anemoi *are* the winds- Can't get much stronger than an element itself, especially with three of the four working in tandem.
@@CalamitasBrimstoneWitch yeah, but all it would've taken was a Rouge wave
@@Latedozer True but he's clearly surprised. He didn't expect Odysseus to have the actual wind in a bag. Like we can claim he's a god and should have been able to do X, Y, Z but the whole point of Greek mythology is that the gods are frequently extremely mortal and flawed beings who are only deified because they're powerful, not because they're the pinnacle of sentience
The detail of Poseidon holding a baby with such care and then Dropping them IN FRONT of Odysseus. Like "killing a baby is fine for you, but not my son?” I can’t, that’s incredible. 1:49
I love how the constant shifting of Poseidon's form from creepy horse to giant to the ocean itself really demonstrates what I love about Greek mythology. The gods love to appear human and hang out with mortals, but when angry, a god of his caliber is just a malicious force of nature.
I love how Poseidon is like “Apologize”. But Odysseus is like “Nah. I’m going to explain why I did it but not apologize. Because, no 😂”
Odysseus was even smiling at the end, so sure he’d been clever enough to sway Poseidon to agreeing with him. Big mistake.
thing is he didn't apologize, at least not for the crime Poseidon is accusing him of, Poseidon already knows why he blinded him what he's asking for is for him to apologize for sparing his son and forcing him to act, but Odysseus apologizes for blinding the cyclops (though even this was more of claiming self defense rather than responsibility) and even says he would have done less if he could which means he missed the whole point of everything Poseidon just said
he was serving apology youtube video before it was cool
@@cesar6447 “I’m sorry for how my actions may have made you feel, since you clearly don’t understand why what I did was fully justified, but it’s time for us both to move on and leave this negativity in the past.”
Except he’s also lying about the scenario, spinning the situation to make him the good guy
I love your version of Poseidon. He’s not just some powerful, magical person - he’s a force of nature, wild, uncontrollable, and totally unconcerned with human casualties when it comes to getting revenge. He’s simultaneously totally inhuman and somehow still very tied to the depths of human passion and cruelty.
Just as the Greek gods are
You can see for a moment that he seems regretful of killing the 550 crew members because it was because of Odysseus’s hubris that he had to make an example of them
THIS IS GENIUS
THE WAY HIS ARM TURNS INTO WATER??? WOW
HIM TURNING INTO A TERRIFYING HORSE IS AMAZIINNGNGNGNGG RAAAAA
i'm going nuts
I love how Poseidon just drops the baby made of water onto the deck of the ship. Showing that he doesnt actually care about his son, only that Odysseus hurting his son was also indirectly a slight against him. While simultaneously taunting Odysseus with his regret of having to kill Hectors child.
it also references what Odysseus does to Hector’s infant son at the end of the war.
@@tiringsarcasm read the final sentence of my comment again lol
@@TheMightySceptile I have made a severe lapse in my judgement
no posieden does care he tries to be laid back but polythemus had alot of context if they had just killed the cyclops poesdien wouldn't have been told he also wouldn't have been that angry because let us be real blinding a guy when you could kill him then laughing as you escape and giving your name is worse than just a burning spear to the throat
@@marley7868 The point is that by only blinding Polythemus he was able to cry out to his father, meaning Poseidon had to take revenge against Odysseus so the world didn't think he was spineless. If Odysseus just killed him than he'd never be able to call out to Poseidon and Poseidon would likely have never found out, and thus wouldn't have done anything.
poseidon inflicted emotional damage on odysseus when he dropped that baby, holy shit
and then he got ragdolled for good measure
Am i the only one who think Poseidon asking for for an apology was him tricking Odysseus to confess to blinding polyphemus and getting the go ahead to wipe his crew?
I think if Odysseus had sincerely apologized, Poseidon would have just drown 2 ships, before going after Odysseus. Which would lead to Ody using the bag to escape with everyone.
But since Odysseus didn't, and even tried to mask the truth, Poseidon drowned all but Odysseus ship (to save him for the last) to show him what happens when you anger the Gods.
Sorry for my garbage English
@@terra4822 nah you good. But yeah you make a good point.
@@terra4822 good point, but I thought it was more about the fact that Ody even believing Poseidon is naive
No it was worse. Him demanding an apology was just to give Odysseus a hope that he’d actually be spared. But really there was nothing that could convince him to spare any of them at that point
His whole song is about being ruthless so I agree, I really dont think he was sincere in asking for an apology
Omg when Poseidon says “you totally could’ve avoided lol this had you just killed my son” AND THEN DROPS THE SHADOW OF A BABY IN FRONT OF ODY SINCE HE ALREADY KILLED THE BABY IN THE HORSE AND THE INFANT. GENIUS
"That cyclop was my son!"
"How was I supposed to know? God genetics makes _zero_ sense."
Just dont enter a random cave with jars and cheese (artificial things, thus created by someone), and starts to drink and eat.
Yeah and dont kill the livestock of someonelse
@@lisamutschler2868
@sonofcronos7831 and don't make racist "eye to eye" jokes
Fair points, but he was not angry about any of that. He couldn't care less about what Odysseus did to anybody else.
mythology tip: if you meet a giant, he is either a son of Poseidon, Gaia, or both.
The pure DISTRESS on Odysseus's face compared to the eldritch horror of Poseidon's horse form is so raw. Adore it. Even despite not having pupils its so easy to tell in Poseidon's human form how much he loves to tear at Odysseus's pride, ego and heart. That baby reference was downright cruel yet so interesting.
The ancients Greeks were terribly afraid of death at sea because it was impossible to recuperate the bodies and so the poor souls were left to wonder out of the underworld since there had not been a right funeral for them, your Poseidon just incarnate that fear so well!! THIS IS AMAZING!! They way he has just inflicted the worst punishment for them and their families this is exactly how I imagined this song to look! You are great!,
I remember hearing that apparently dying at sea was worse cause their souls basically belonged to the sea now forever restless
@@Shadowblader98Yep that is pretty much right, you have to think that navigation in the Mediterranean Sea, especially in the zone around Ancient Greek territory was very hazardous because of the winds and sea currents that would develop around the islands that were on course and there were no life saving swimming techniques that would help at the time so falling in the ocean was a sure death sentence but the real problem was not death itself as it was pretty much an accepted part of life in their culture, it was the loss or the disfigurement of the body that really scared the Greeks, it was dishonourable to not give the proper funeral to the dead, reason why they usually took time to clean the battle fields too, leaving their dead to rot and being scavenged by the animals (birds and dogs as the Iliad cites if I remember correctly) was a terrible thing to do, but at sea nothing could be saved, the men claimed by it were lost forever
Also there are funerary rights where people put coins on the dead eyes so that they could pay charon’s toll on the styx river and enter realm of the dead. If you died at sea and your body lost, no one can give them the toll. So their souls are stuck in the sea or on the wrong side of the river. Never to enter.
@@Ananomouse wasn't the rite to put the coin under the tongue not eyes?
@@Shadowblader98 both are correct, it depended on what tradition was used and where: the Persians introduced the tradition of giving a coin to the dead for the afterlife to the Greeks so they probably later adapted it in using two coins for the eyes, the ritual was found also in the Romans in the a.C centuries so there probably existed different kinds of rituals, Charon would still take the money no matter from where you cough it out 😂
why ain’t no one talking ab 1:50 when Poseidon drops am illusion of an infant and Odysseus looks absolutely broken. AMAZING attention to detail and I adoreee this animatic
..I think this is the best Epic animatic I've ever seen, the fluidity, the designs, the actual creeps Poseidon's horse form gives, the horror of the crew drowning. It's just perfect you're an amazing animator
So much this, the horses brought all my fear of kelpies to life!
One thing that I like about the artistic depiction here is that when Poseidon asks for an apology, Odysseus seems to try and placate him diplomatically. He is good with his words, he's a tricked the cyclops this way. He seems so confident in his supplication to Poseidon, and that is where Poseidon seems to take offense. It specifically after Odysseus tries to sway a god that the god strikes his crew down for the audacity of it. I love that detail.
Love the long-haired look you gave poseidon. For some reason. That's always a look reserved for Hades, but I really get why poseidon would look like that. He looks more like a man who had been adrift at see for ages. And the heavy emphasis on how his anger would manifest was great.
It also looks like a wild horses' mane.
@@fbiuzz and seaweed
I thought the hair was long and dark to be like the encompassing depths of the sea like floating in the ocean and looking straight down
During the Mycenaean period Poseidon was also lord of the underworld so it fits.
Zeus, Poseidon and Hades all have similar hair and beard
Bro, Poseidon mentioning the Trojan Horse in the "I am your darkest hour" part was awesome, but the mention of ODYSSUS THROWING THE BABY OFF THE WALL, BRO! In the "I mean, you could have avoided all of this if you had just killed my son. But no!"
ANNIFLAMMA, YOU WERE GENIUS!
Not only was he the God of the Seas and water in general. He was also the God of Horses and Earthquakes. I love seeing his horse form.
Okay, but why is no one talking about how you draw Poseidon as this fluid, formless *thing* eerily crawling along the edge of the ship before diving back into the water as he says "the pack of wolves is swimming with the shark now"? Or how you draw the massive waves and Poseidon's eerie smile in the waters as he drowns almost all of Odysseus' crew? Or how Poseidon's arm fluidly transitions between water and flesh when he first seizes Odysseus? OR THE TRANSITION OF THE HORSE DIVING INTO THE WATER TO GIANT POSEIDON SLAMMING HIS FOOT DOWN ON THE SHIP????? So many good moments, holy geez!!
Don't forget how his clothing as his giant self flows seamlessly into the ocean as though made from it
This animatic has my favorite interpretation of Poseidon. I’d be scared as shit of-
A SEA HORSE.
@@TheBeastBandit Isn't Poseidon the god of horses of something? people never mention that..
@@RalMaybeyep, he created horses and is the father of cyclops’s
When I saw his form as a giant horse emerging from the water, it actually gave me chills
This animation is top tier
@@counterfeit4450 Neat
This is beautiful. The part that captures me is the smirk on Odyssey's face when he "apologizes" to Poseidon, stating that he was only trying to survive and he "took no pleasure in his pain". Polyphemus likely already told Poseidon of Odysseus's gloating. Poseidon's face clearly depicts his disbelief. This mortal man, with his and his crew's lives on the line isn't taking the situation seriously. He's not showing fear in his apology, and appears to think that he worded it so nicely, so clearly he's safe from harm? Except he wasn't and he lost that smirk real quick. Amazing animation.
Until the end. He sounded so chipper as he made his escape. Kind of disgusting
I in his shoes would be very carefull, he sails in Poseidons Domaine, he could be killed very fast and he is stupid enough, after he lost alredy the Support of one goddess to anger one of the most powerful.
I thought Odysseus was smart but well he showed that he didn't think of the consequences.
I love how Athena's leitmotif plays in the background when Poseidon is making his point. And the way Poseidon throws Odysseus' words back at him is so brutal; excellent writing.
The line "when does a ripple become a tidal wave, when does a man become a monster?" gives me goosebumps every single time.
It goes from another metaphor about consequence among a dozen others to a bone chilling callback.
This is my favorite depiction of Poseidon ever. The fluidity, the sheer malice that radiates from him just showing up. It may be just me but he seems to be holding in anger the entire time we see him. And he’s just waiting to snap, I.e the “apology” and “die” I just love this depiction so much and felt the need to try and put it into words
I have never seen a more terrifying portrayal of Poseidon. AND YOU LEANED INTO THE WEIRD HORSE GOD THING. AND IT MADE IT SCARIER. wtf. The motion was so engaging as well. So much storytelling and expression. Fantastic work
AND EVERY BIT OF HORSE SYMBOLISM JUST TIES BACK TO THE TROJAN HORSE!? IT WORKS SO WELL.
@@claran3616 agh! Fr!!
2:10 feel like a nice detail that could have been added would be bleeding from the scalp after having just been yanked around like a rag doll by the hair
Okay maybe it's just me but is Poseidon drawn at a different frame rate than Odysseus and the crew? He's so fluid--it really shows the idea that he's a god on a different playing field than the rest of them. I've watched this at least fifteen times in the past two days. This is genuinely incredible.
It's likely, a lot of his scenes are done in a silhouette, which is a lot easier to animate rather than whole detailed line art characters. Especially for the scenes where Poseidon is all watery
Oh yeah, absolutely. Between the horse scene and all of the times he formed on the ship, he's almost fully animated a bunch of the time.
This is tickling my brains in ALL the right ways, including him playing out Odysseus dropping the baby, and the “ALL I GOTTA DO IS OPEN THIS BAG, *W H A T?!* ”
I loved the 'dropping the baby' part in it. It really underlines how bizarre it actually is that he let the cyclops live at all. Like. You killed an innocent infant but let the monster that killed several of your men (including your best friend) live?
@@Cheshiregrinn91 The great offense wasnt that he was inconsistent with his mercy, its that he lies to even himself, disguising cowardice and tactical extraction BOTH the same as true mercy, offending the gods who quite literally choose to spare us every day, showing true clemency, and being spun as vindictive monsters when they, in their own celestial scope, act proportionate to THEIR emotions.
Edit: for clarification, the God Poseidon is probably mad cuz they can't see the humanity in the gods just cuz they're powerful, similar to the psyclops who acted just like any greek rancher would at the time, and when the gods know better cuz they've practically existed forever, man thinks it can fool them with some disingenuity.
Everything about this is great, but the way horse Poseidon looks (horseidon?) just makes it even BETTER. Mostly because we all how how notorious horses are for being difficult to properly proportion, and every horse frame here is amazing
You have no idea how many horse videos I have watched to make sue that the proportion would look right 😰 And the worst thing is.... I want to draw more Horseidon!
@@anniflamma1496I absolutely Loved the horse parts, I also loved the terryfing glowing teeth version, the eyes reminded me a lot of Alternates from Mandela Catalog in a eery predatory way
@@anniflamma1496you can kinda chill about it
Since horseidon isnt actually a horse but would be poseidon taking a form of a horse
And considering he is still liquid there you can spill some mistakes there and that wouldnt be a big deal
The one thing that chills me is the men screaming for Odysseus as Poseidon drowns them.
One thing I like about this is the line " You could have avoided this had you just killed my son." It shows that, yes, if Polyphemus had been killed, Poseidon likely would have been sad, but not vengeful, because Polyphemus was killing Odysseus' crew. But what Odysseus did was put his son through PAIN. If they'd just slit his throat in his sleep, or shoved the pike into Polyphemus' brain, then it would have been quick and done with minimal pain. But they chose to "spare" him, causing him immense pain and making him live the life of a cripple. In their mercy, they were ultimately cruel. THAT is where Poseidon drew his line, and the pain Odysseus caused will be paid back in abundance.
“Close your heart.”
He was closing his heart for the 550 lives he was about to snuff out.
I loved it!
This reply comes 4 weeks later at the time of me writing this, but 557* lives he was about to snuff out. Odysseus starts with 600 men under his command then pisses Poseidon off to the point that in a single moment, it's whittled down to 43.
@@dearroseprincess289 I know, I was just rounding
@@dearroseprincess289 well, Polyphemus killed the 7 on the first ship, which only had 43, and the rest were full and got killed. There were only 43 on Odysseus’s ship, the rest that got drowned had the other 550
I find it fascinating that Poseidons face in this almost looks like a horse, long, narrow, the beard sculpting a specific shape out of it. Shows that even when playing nice with mortals, his realm is on display, or soemthing
“Playing nice” is not how I would describe this-
All joking aside, I get what you mean. Even disregarding the potential symbolism of the horse’s face made by the space between his facial hair, (which could also have been a happy little accident), his human form seems wild and untamed, with his long hair flowing down unhindered and his gaunt face only aids the look of a fierce man who does not care about the thoughts or feelings of others. Even when he looks human, he still looks “other” in a way, because he does not look like he could be a part of most groups that people usually consider “civilized”, or even like part of a group at all, rather than a sort of “lone wolf” within the wilderness.
Idk I just really love how emphasized it is that he is “other” even if he looks human.
I love that use the horse, not many know Posidon is also the God of horses. Best animatic of this song
I LOVE how creepy horse Poseidon looks at the end, this is amazing
The fathomless vastness, beauty and ruthlessness of the sea, all colliding in one form. 10/10
The horse has such a cool double meaning:
It is symbolic of Poseidon, AND a nod to the Trojan horse. A.k.a Poseidon taunting Odysseus’s trauma.
"When does a ripple become a tidal wave?"
When Poseidon gets pissed off because you literally blinded one of his million sons to save 600 people's lives.
“When does a man become a monster?”
When Odysseus gets angry that Poseidon killed his men when HE was the one wouldn’t kill his son even though ATHENA freaking told him to.
@@ThatOneNerdInCabin13 Athena watching Odysseus continue to make the same dumb mistake until all of his friends and crew dies:
@@RalMaybe no seriously like can you imagine all of this goes down and Odysseus is having a mental breakdown and Athena just comes outta nowhere like “I told you so”
Poseidon's representation as a dark horse running over the oceans is terrifying and awesome.
I love the “invisible” as Odysseus’s face goes away and the cyclops eye in the background of Poseidon. Disassociating and just letting his rage for his son’s pain guide his hand.
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in my head, this is poisdon calling Odyessus out on his double standards
"So you'll kill an infant child to prevent him from being a threat, but not the active threat that was my son?"
Gosh, I love how CREEPY you made Poseidon! He absolutely REEKS of a vengeful god. The horse imagery is amazing, the expressions of horror and pain that flash in the eyes of Odysseus and his men are drawn and animated incredibly well, the movements are all so smooth and fluid... EVERYTHING ABOUT THIS IS SO GOOD!!!! You did amazing! :D
I love how even when the crew got onto their knees he still didn’t forgive them which shows just how petty he is
I mean, Poseidon is one big three. Even other gods bow to him,(sans Zeus, Hera and Hades) mortals really mean nothing to him.
The way Posiedon just manhandles Odyesseyus shocked me. The fury and helplessness were perfectly captured.
There is a brutal irony to not having killed the Cyclops after killing Hector's child back in Troy in order to avoid a future fate.
Having Posiedon holding a shaow child as he sang that line was a brutal reminder of what Odysseus has already done, a demonstartably even more ruthless action than killing the Cyclops would have been.
Exactly. My headcanon is that Poseidon isn’t just punishing him for wounding his son. He’s punishing him for being a massive self serving hypocrite who’s more willing to spare a dangerous monster than he is a defenseless child.
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I don’t know why, but the sudden tone change cracks me up every time. Everything is mournful and terrifying until…
“✨ALL I GOTTA DO IS OPEN THIS BAG! ✨😄”
“WAT?! 😟”
SAME 😭😭 It ruins the whole moodddd
Head cannon that he gets it from Hermes lol
@@alijahsamone man i always forget Hermes is Odysseus' great grandpa lmao
I came to this video specifically to look for these comments
@@TIME-fe6ne For me it doesn't 😭 if I'm about to get killed by a sea god and I suddenly remembered I have a bag of air that could save me I WOULD BE HELLA HAPPY
I love the bit where Poseidon is holding the shadow of the child then drops it as a reminder of what Odysseus did to the infant and the look of regret on Odysseus’s face when Poseidon dose this.
the parallel from Poseidon dropping the baby gave me chills. He's saying 'maybe if you hadn't killed this child, none of this would have happened'. literal chills
думаю, немного иначе: когда Одиссей убил младенца, он защищал свою страну от возможности восстания против себя. Была вероятность, что выживший ребëнок узнает, как жестоко обошлись с его настоящим домом и будет мстить. И когда Посейдон швыряет тень с формой ребенка, он как бы говорит: "вот ситуация такая же, конечно же мне придëтся защищать свою репутацию бога, даже если мне пофиг на этого циклопа. Я вынужден из-за тебя марать руки о твой флот, может, хоть скажешь, что тебе жаль?"
И тут Одиссей врет ему вместо извинений, ещë и улыбается, а после ещë и сбегает.
Спойлер: я понимаю, почему в песне Get in the Water Посейдон грозится после такого унизительного проступка выколоть глаза сыну Одиссея, если главный герой не даст сделать хотя бы видимость мести и дальше будет вести себя слишком нагло
I don't know if anyone's mentioned this yet, but I absolutely love the contrast at the start. Odysseus and his men are shown on the ship, meanwhile as soon as Poseidon appears, he takes up the ENTIRE FRAME. It's just such a nice way to show how small they all are, compared to one of the prime gods of the Greek mythos. I mean this one being has complete dominion over the sea, so him swelling over the ship displays that immense power very well.
I CANNOT PROPERLY ARTICULATE HOW MUCH I LOVE THIS DESIGN OF POSEIDON. He's just got SUCH A MASSIVE PRESENCE whenever he's in frame, he FEELS intimidating
The pure goofiness 😭 "all I gonna do is open this bag!" Then the "WHAT!?"