SO APPARENTLY the creators just confirmed that it is in fact Amelie. A bit weird that they had to confirm that via social media and not in the show itself, but whatever. At least it is thematically appropriate for it to be Amelie. I still stand by most of my criticisms tho XD
That's such an important information though, considering their target audience some of them don't have social media, soo they're literally left in the dark and wondering if the woman is Emilie or Amelie.
I kinda like the idea better that Amelie just adopts Adrian making him brothers with Felix. Emily could be introduced as a character from an alternative dimension.
I still find the theory of "dream" very exciting and i really hope it tangles in some way (yes im on purest copium rn because the end of the 5th season left me with such a big frustration i literally ended miraculous for myself for half a year until youtube randomly decided to recommend me some video on it)
This arc could've been done in three seasons, easily. The wish didn't feel like a payoff, and Adrien was gaslit into believing his emotionally abusive dad was a good father. Terrible finale, imo.
3 seasons = 3 acts. Can't be more simple :) 4 seasons would've been dragging it a little (but more forgivable considering the early fandom's patience). But 5? And with no observable reveal?! Yep, the patience has already ran thin.
@@greenstarlover1 Fr, like Arcane did 3 acts in *_9 episodes_* there's no way people will or should ever praise or think highly of Miraculous for poorly executing 3 acts in 5 seasons.
@@zuza3377Oh my gosh. Felix would definitely be someone who would go the k*ll or be k*lled route. At least on people who are making Adrien and Kagami miserable.
The wish is just so weird. Did Emilie return to life? How is Natalie back then? Did Gabriel heal both Natalie and Emelie? Was he one of the sacrifices? Who was the other sacrifice? Just makes me really so confused.
@@MiyuKawasaki that's it it cannot be Emilie for 3 reasons 1. Gabriel didn't wanted Adrien to know that he was monarch reviving Emilie would be a dead giveaway 2. The whole point of Marinette's speech was that Adrien made peace with his mom's death 3. Gabriel's life isn't worth 2 so he could have only safe Nathalie
I think the wish is like what she said it’s for Adrian’s happiness. of course I have not watched the final, but it seems like Emily and Natalie coming back would fit with that wish, and also with all of the “ everyone is getting along perfectly well” thing. Even Lila getting the miraculous of the butterfly fits because, I’m guessing they don’t have the guts to actually to do a reveal , he would still be able to see his friend ladybug. I feel like Gabriel dying with basically him, giving up his own happiness that he could’ve had by wishing just for Emily to be alive and giving that choice to Adrian because he felt bad. Does that mean he’s a good father? Absolutely not he punted Adrian across France.
It feels like the wish as a concept was never fleshed out from the start, which is why it's so confusing now. And also frustrating cause y'all had 5 seasons to figure out what to do with it plus pre production and still dropped the ball. I'm almost impressed. If the wish simply alters the current reality, Ladybug and Chat Noir literally could have given Gabe the wish early on and ended the arc in two seasons max. If the wish destroys the current reality and creates a new one that's an exact copy of the old one with just the changes of the wish, why would Thomas let the wish be made? Like, this is no longer our Adrien, our Nathalie, our Alix, our Sabrina, our Marinette, our Lila. These are entirely different people who just have the same look and memories (I presume) of the old versions but they're not the same ones. The wish needed to be much better explained and Thomas being vague on Twitter is not helpful, cute, smart, or appreciated. I blame zero fans for dropping the show at this point.
I would like if Gabriel was trapped with Lila by the butterfly miraculous because it would be the perfect punishment for him! Being stuck with someone who doesn't respect him and hurts him emotionally and psychologically is the same as Gabriel did with others so it would be a poetic justice. Lila could even do things to make Gabriel miserable, like calling him by his real name to keep reminding him of the past he wants to forget, or commenting on the things that are happening with Adrien to make him sad for being stuck with her and not being able to take advantage of the wish, specifically if Emilie is really alive, Lila would definitely talk about her too, and even if she isn't Gabriel himself said he can't live without her so he would rather be dead than stay without her
Not having the reveal, not having Adrien in the finale, leaving the wish ambiguous JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE MORE SEASONS, is so insane Like, as back from some years we knew that Miraculous would end in S5, but now that Miraculous will go to S8, so they DEFINITELY had a different ending before the confirmation of new seasons, which is the WORST possible decision someone can make Destroying the ending of a show, to have people watch the sequel, Astruc just wrecked the ending of the "Agreste Arc" (boy if THIS was the ending of Adrien's familly arc, then poor guy will have NOTHING to do in the next seasons) so people will still care for the "Lila Arc"
Something worth noting about the wish-Gabriel specifically said there was only *one* thing he wanted to change. Now I was never great at math, but I'm pretty sure reviving Emilie *and* Nathalie would be *two* ...
Oh but Aloe! Thomas couldn't possibly ever give us straight answers because then he'd actually have to think things out instead of coming up with it and changing things as he goes! Seriously, I hate how that seems to be the reason for so many things with this show. Is it Amelie or Emilie? Well we can't know because Thomas might need to change her to fit whatever he wants to do next. Why is the wish so confusing? Well if it's never had its rules set in stone, Thomas is able to make the wish serve whatever purpose he needs it to. Why does the show take 5 whole seasons to end a pretty simple arc in a super mid way? Well Thomas needed to go slow enough to change things on a whim and be vague enough to be able to add and take away concepts and explanations as needed. There is so little in this show that is thoroughly explained in a way that prevents retconning or backtracking or late additions/changes that this feels like it's the only explanation.
Honestly though. Astruc has the bad habit of making things up and droppig plot twists that don't make sense for the sake of shock value and it's nothing but inconsistent (the whole Adrien is a sentimonster came out of nowhere and honestly find it kinda sus that it was canon right after the theory blew up). When making a story you are passionate about, shouldn't you already have the lore and story decided from the start? Instead of making things up and throwing things at the wall as you go along?
🫠 Interesting theory!! Especially the part where Gabriel used the pig miraculous’ powers to cope with the fact he’ll never see Emilie or Nathalie again.. and Lulu’s sooo cute! Can’t wait to see her in future videos! Love how frunsi also sends gloves with the tablet✨ 💗
@@user-yw8ys4kq5x the point is that we don't know at what point during the fight he used the pig miraculous on her. Could have been near the end of the fight XD
If they reveal that his wish was to erase the negative effects of the peacock miraculous, that would only mean that Felix's father is now alive and that would be absolutely horrendous and just terrible writing.
I agree with your Dream Theory. This also explains how Lila was able to snatch the butterfly miraculous right under Gabriel and Bug Noir's noises. Perhaps they both were sharing the same dream which made both of them vulnurable to see Lila. Also, to make the wish Gabriel has to transform first. That has been proven by "Deflagration" where the kwamis got the chance to rebel against Monarch, where in the finale they hugged each other completely hopeless.
honestly i wish that Emilie becomes next hawk moth she fights for 5 season she brings back Gabriel, he becomes hawk moth and cycle never ends this show is basically non fixable so going with it can't make anythings worst and it will be funny
While I love Emilie. And her with the butterfly miraculous would be awesome. But I'd like to see her use it as a hero. I've never been a fan of villian Emilie. Unless it's her being similar to Doofinsmirtz in personality.
They made a wish too dramatic like I get that they wanted to make it deep but from our perspective the „Read heart and soul” makes zero sense (because we didn’t get like a POV of Gabriel’s thoughts or whatever)
5 whole ass seasons full of 25 or more episodes and 8 years and we got this for our finale. Adrien thinking his abusive father is good and still being left in the dark, The reveal not happening, Ladybug fighting Hawkmoth and Chat noir wasnt even in the same country. It was just awful.
I thought the wish would be that Gabriel would sacrifice himself to make Emilie live or him with her. Honestly it is so confusing & not really explained on what is happening. The finale should have had Adrien knew about Gabriel being Monarch & Gabriel knew that Adrien is Chat I thought we would have a Alternative Universe like things be different such as Ladybug & Chat being different holders and people forgetting their past world. I always knew Felix was always a good guy & him being on the team.
Probably the theory that made most sense to me since it was explicitly stated that you have to trade something equal for a wish was that instead of the peacock, it was the butterfly miraculous that would slowly kill its user
19:36 Nice seeing some love for Medibang! It's very comfy and neat. Also cool how this is the backstory of the third member of the Aloubell lore, LuLu! (edited to fix spelling)
I saw the dream theory before and I personally think its true. I mean how could even the Mlb writers think that ending in such a convenient perfect ending with no real consequences.
My theory is that he wished for Adrien to have a happy life. Which is why Nathalie and (uhhhhhh whichever one is his mother) are alive but Gabriel is not. This might also explain why Adrien was never told who Gabriel really was: Even if telling Adrien the truth is the right thing to do, the foundations of this reality are centered around keeping Adrien happy, and if learning the truth about his father would make him unhappy than this new world will do anything in its power to keep that from happening.
So bascially, if this theory is true, Adrien isnt "misfortune" but "fortune?" Like if he wanted to hang outside with Nino, and the weather forecast said that there will be a thunderstorm, this "new world" would eradicate that storm cause it makes Adrien unhappy? If a school trip had to be canceled because the teacher was sick, the "new world" would make that teacher healthy for the entire day of the feildtrip to keep Adrien happy? If that's the case it would be very interesting, but I can easily see how the writers would ruin it, and centre this sudden "adrien focused world" to Marinette Plus now in this "new world" (i should have a coubter for how many times i said new world) if Adrien isn't misfortune, he wouldn’t be yang, which is Plagg (bad luck) wait no ignore this paragraph alone, I forgot the show scrapped that idea. As well as I forgot this isn't a fanfic.
Lulu is adorable! Lulu kind of looks like Kyubey from Madoka Magia🥺 Honestly your theory sounds super cool but I feel like it would make sense the most if it was Gabriel’s dream or even Adrien’s dream. Seeing the dream from Adrien’s perspective would’ve been so cool, it would be pretty dark but it would give him needed character development.
It's crazy that the show has gone off the rails so badly that the "it was all a dream/coma before they died" theory makes sense. Also I love lulu so much! She's so cute😍 Also the fact that we're watching you slowly create lore for character/s originally made to just be ur persona is really funny to me for some reason lol (I don't have a melting face but this guy gives the same vibes)🙃
Lila when she got the butterfly miraculous: "Gonna steal gonna be untrue. I'm blackhearted through and through. If I wanna be bad I gotta walk in his shoes."
The dream theory is interesting. I know there's a huge chance that isn't real, but it's still fun. Also, while thinking about "everyone got replaced with clones due to the wish", make me think of a possible fan story where somehow Adrien gets out of the universe while it's getting resetted/rebuilt by the wish and he can tell something is off once he's back. Also Lulu is adorable :o
I think we can settle this debate by looking into the voiceactors since Emilie and Amelie actually have different voiceactors and the woman at the end of the wish did have a voiceline saying "yeah!"
For the people saying that Gabe could’ve just wished for the Peacock miraculous to be fixed, equivalent exchange means they’d need to break a different miraculous. Everyone at the final scene has used the various miraculous, so if any other Miraculous had broken, at least *one* person at that party would be dead or dying.
I've been saying this over and over again. Gabriel redemption versus Chloe's is plain hypocritical and contradicting. Thomas said it himself that She is just plain evil and doesn't deserve redemption, that people don't change and from what I can get from his statements is that if you were bad in the past you will never change you will be that horrible person forever and never change. But here we have a Man who put his child in an isolation room and then basically mentally abused his child, and then also terrorizing the city countless and COUNTLESS of times but that same man, Got a big statue in honor of his "Sacrifice" and got redeemed. I don't think they saw a flaw in this. I think they thought that people would like. They didn't build up the redemption at all, Gabriel just became worse over the seasons after seasons. Now I'll say this over and over again, Chloe didn't need to get any chance if they wanted to just leave her as some pathetic little brat. They could've left her like that and people would have no problem. I mean annoying bratty characters exist for a reason and nobody really hates or cares, they're just there for being antagonists, and yes ofc some people do actually like those characters but thats no surprise because its a very common thing in our media for people to kinda like the villains in some stories.
Your theory is interesting specifically the part where he uses the pig miraculous because it would keep the wish consistent Welcome to your new team lulu
I immediately thought of the svtfoe finale. The fact that this finale managed to be worse is disappointing and the fact that everyone just died and got replaced by exact same copies makes me want to abandon the show after this episode and focus on all the episodes that came before that.
On one hand, there is this trope around making dangerous wishes with ancient artifacts, that you have to make a very specific "right" wish to not frick everything up. For example, the end of Inuyasha had something similar with the Shikon jewel. Alladin freeing the Genie, and I'm sure there are others, but can't think of any. But this, yeah, what a copout this one was. Not only did the villain who terrorized literal children and Paris itself get his way, but his wish was the "correct" wish? I'm calling BS on this one. PS another weird trope is the "Dying dream" bonus points when it's a collective dying dream.
I honestly think that the next villain should be an evil Kwami. Since Kwamis are created whenever humans create something new in the world, surely there has to be some made from purely evil actions. Like a Kwami born from genocide or something.
I honestly hate the dream trope if it's for an extended period of time but yours would be so cool. Marinette being dead or in a coma-like state would be sort of grand? Having the beginning of season 6 focus on Cat/Adrien feels like it refreshes stuff. Although i think that'd mess things up a bit more. I do like the idea that the end was a dream, it makes me sick lol. The idea that it was Marinnettes dream would be sweet, she could be struggling to come to terms with the fact that her bf's dad was her enemy she's been fighting for months (in the shows timeline). Her dream removes the possibility of Gabe being Hawk-Moth or even if he was, he decided to sacrifice himself for Natalie or Emilie, hence the statue. Marinette has been shown to make up stories and fantasize about things so it'd sort of fit her I think. Also didnt LB send CN a message telling him who HM was and in the final scene with them he has his ring on so it's either the removal of the ring erased the message, a different person with the miraculous on or the wish got rid of it. I do hope it's some weird dream fantasy. Too many miraculous in circulation also i swear that the red laptop has the identities of the holders on it and if not, it's Lila she probably can figure it out very quick. I hope this next season is good but knowing miraculous, it might be a trainwreck lol
🫠Helo Allou, Have you heard of a theory that Lila is actually Manon from the future? This theory manages to be more consistent, as for Boo being the witch of the brave movie!! 😅
I have a theory, what if Gabriel sacrificed Emilie's life and his own to save them both (Emilie and Nathalie), let me explain: Gimmi the kwami of reality can grant you a wish but an equivalent exchange needs to be made, so Gabriel could not save Nathalie and Emilie only by giving his own life, we know that Emilie was not dead, she was in a dream from which she could not wake up (that camera where her body was kept her alive), taking into account this information, my theory is that Gabriel sacrificed Emilie's life (who was alive) to revive Nathalie and then sacrificed his life to revive Emilie, so that way both (Emilie and Nathalie) would come back to life. We could say that Gabriel's wish was the following, his wish could have been: relive the two women he loved, Nathalie and Emilie (read my heart), his sacrifice: Emilie's life for Nathalie's and my life for Emilie's (read my soul), in this way he was able to "revive" both giving Emilie's life and his own asking for just one wish. I think it is the most logical theory, there is also a detail in the series that can semi-confirm that I am right, when Gabriel makes his wish, Emilie and he rise into the air as if Gimmi were taking the lives of both of them, to fulfill the wish , Emilie's life (who was alive) for Nathalie's and Gabriel's life for Emilie's, I think it's the most logical thing to think... what do you think.
🫠 Very interesting and well thought-out theories! It honestly just annoys me so much that despite the first arc being "finished", there are still SO many lose ends. The show could've ended here if it wanted to (would've been a bad ending, but an ending nonetheless), but this is a cash cow that they won't let go of apparently, so they just have to keep up making up cliffhangers and unsolved plotlines to keep the audience watching. It's kinda sad, really. 😑 With that out of the way, I LOVE LULU SO MUCH! She's super adorable! 😻 Her concept is also a lot of fun. I love shape-shifting animal sidekicks, and the fact that she's a cat gives her tons of extra points for me x3 Looking forward to seeing her more in your videos! 💜
Hm, a very interesting Theory, i wonder how likely it is for something like this to be the direction that they decide to go with? It’s probably not that likely based on what we know of the people working on it. Still, who knows, weirder things has happened, regardless we’ll only know for certain when Season 6 comes around, i hope they take full advantage of the opportunity that has come from finally ending the Gabriel Plotline and make huge improvements on the Show.
I had another theory or an ending story idea a few months ago that when Jeremy Zag ends this series the whole series never happened no Ladybug no Cat Noir it's all made to be a joint dream that Adrien and Marinette had and when they wake up realizing it was just an extremely vivid dream they run out of their homes going to see if their soul mate exists and meet each other at the park fountain with Master Fu Tikki and Plagg watching them meet, but did it happen, and their memories were made to be a dream?! That's why there isn't any record of Miraculous'
Tbh, I HOPE that the happy ending was all dream, cause that ending was TOO sussy to me, and it's SO unearned. Also, after watching your bits about you discussing whether the dream is from Marinette or Gabriel, I IMMEDIATELY thought about Adrien 🤔 ..... I know that theory still wouldn't sit right since he also wouldn't want lila to have the butterfly miraculous, but still....
Maybe it’s because of the miraculous AU I created in my own head but I feel like before the wish is acually made the person that wishes sees the version of the world after the wish and then can finnish or cancel the wish but it’s not like a dream more like an interactive game and world created in that dream-wish? goes only as far as it’s needed for the person that makes the wish. (I know it sounds messy but I promise it would make sense) Also why didn’t Gabriel just said „Nah you can take Marinette” I mean who would stop him? Heck he could even bring both Emilie and Nathnalie back and just saying „switch it with Félix” I mean Gabriel hates Félix right? For like 3/4 of the season he wanted to have his perfect aliancie with Adrien and Kagami so he could just get did of Marinette and Félix when he had a chance to. I know that in that cause villain would win but at this point it would be better since the show would be over. Also I want to refuse Ephemeral’s canonical since this episode just gets on my nerves but after the whole world ending I tought they would show like Earth being distroyed with cataclysm and re-creatied with whatever Ladybug’s powers are and then maybe show like you know, everyone being „reborn”. Also does this new versions of characters have the same memorioes as the previous one? It seems like they do given the scene with Marinette but if they then Gabriel would be exposed immeditaly. Also where did Gabriel’s body go? Like was he lying in the basement but we just didn’t see that or did he just disapread in the power of love. Like it would be at least third earth sine Ephemeral said that the wish happened at least once. In short the wish is by far the most confusing thing in this show. Also sorry of english just in case.
I don´t think so. I mean it sounds good and could be the better option BUT there is one crucial detail: When Adrian talked about his father and Mari chooses to lie to him by leaving him in the dark; I know that could mean just one thing: character drama! What will happen when Adrian finds out the truth? Will they break up? I know, it sounds stupid but yeah, the focus of the show is their messed up relationship. Not the relationship betwenn Adrian and his parents. No. It´s all about him and Mari. It´s all about her and the drama that she creates. This is the show and it always will be. Also I love your new Eeveelution.^^
Also, Mari keeping the secret could still be part of the dream. Gabriel's dream as he'd want her to keep his secret! Haha But yes, her keeping the secret could be set up for future drama x3
:melting_face: ahh android... Missing another emoji 😂 Man if this theory turns out to be true... I expect residuals to Aloe! 👏👏🤣🤣 Also great job on short hair lila chibi! (even as a chibi... Still looking evil 🤣) Awesome new tablet! I have a feeling lulu will be used as a way to get interesting silhouettes! She's so adorable and cool! Great job as always! 👏👏😎
uh, I swear all the fans of this show are still watching the drama because they want to end this suffering and relax Show itself dont give a shot about the fans either,im Just so happy its over. But yea we still dosent have a clear explanation of anything. Whole thing is a fanmade of, thomas fantasie💀
you know what would be funny: if Nooroo and Gabriel Switched Places. imagine that beautifull small Kwami with that face and Smile Gabriel gives on the last episode of Season 5 XD (Nightmare Fuel) But the Dream Hypotesis isn't far fetched imo. i mean, before season 5, i thought that Emillie/Amellie were the Sentimonsters instead of Felix/Adrien, given how Idential and perfect both seems to be, and that IMO would fit well given how we see Gabriel being completely Narcisistic about it.
The wish is super weird. With what it did, it almost feels like two wishes since it brought nathalie back as well as emily, seemingly. So it seems like he chose to take on the illness that his family members had from using the miraculous the peacock miraculous. Going by the rules of Gimmi hed probably absorb all that damage to himself and end up dying, which he was doing anyway. Thats what makes the most sense to me. during the series it seemed like his wish would be to bring back his wife, which would not end up destroying the world and with the episode where luka has to go back in time after chat and ladybug reveal their identies it seems like its recreating all of reality, which is what it seemed to be implying throught the series. But based on Gimmi's explanation, most likely would require a sacrifice, probably either himself or some bystander or one of the heroes. It would have been neat if we learned that throughout the story he lost sight of the wish he was originally going to make, and have this fall to darkness aspect of him being more and more focused on selfish goals than just bringing his wife back, (like him being forcing Adrien and Kagami, working with Ms. Tsurugi, and his world domination thing it seemed like he was trending towards) but thats not how the story plays out so it feels like a switch up right at the end ... but does that mean felix's dad is alive now? weird.
Its good to see you join the Cult of Conspiracies(in all seriousness, its nice to see you do something like a theory. It shakes up your content and more variety can help you grow).
I think the wish works like a second chance, except it's the biggest second chance ever. At least, that's what I understood from ephemeral. Sass said that everything would have to be "erased" and written in a "different color". So wouldn't these characters just be reborn the same way except the fact that Nathalie never died?
Questions for aloe 1) In general, do you think MLB is a good or bad show? 2) What's your opinion on Lila? 3) Can a character be a Mary Sue if they have flaws and face consequences, but the writing is forced like for Mari and Zoe? 4) When's your next Bonds beyond fate AU coming out? 5) Would you be willing to rate some of my fanfiction? 6) Could you write a fanfiction for S6 with the Lila arc seperate from bonds beyond fate? 7) Red sauce or white sauce pasta? 8) Do you think Felix is a well written character and what are your opinions on Feligami? 9) Who do you think is the best character and worst in MLB? 10) Best and worst parents in MLB? 11) Comfort food for dealing with MLB 😅 12) Favourite song
Another thing that bugged me about the wish not being explained was how after the wish was made the characters knew about the wish or even depending on what the wish was why they still had miraculouses because going by the show's rules the universe would've been re-written and if he exchanged his life for Natalie or Emilie then the in the new universe the timeline would've changed with no Hawkmoth to try to make the wish or stopped mid way due to death, we know Natalie and Emilie wouldn't even try to make a wish so there'd really be no reason to look into the wish or really any evidence that shows that the new universe is a wish because real life explanations would be given otherwise Tikki and Plagg would've had to tell them but that just brings up the question why tell? Why burden teenagers with the fact they failed at their jobs? If it was Emilie who was brought back then there never would've been a need for Ladybug and Chat Noir assuming that when Gabe replaced his life for Emilie's he died from the peacock death sickness they never would've been heroes so how and why are they here? If Natalie was saved how did they learn about the wish? Again assuming he died from the peacock death sickness instead so in this universe still no wish was made they might not even have learned why he wanted the miraculous so again how they'd know what he'd wish for? While some have argued that Gabe wished for everything to stay the same minus whoever dying that still needs an explenation because how everything happened and then him suddenly dead with whoever brought back to life if it doesn't change the past and then still the universe was re-written, them going through the same events still doesn't explain how they know about the wish being made and if he wished for Marinette to remember, why? He wanted to be remembered as a good man so why let the one person he couldn't trust to keep that secret remember? It's just so confusing because if this is a new universe and that was Emilie technically there should be no miraculous holders because no danger was brough to Paris along with because this is a new universe where Gabe died as far as they know the wish never happened so how and why do they know? I'm just very confused and can't find an explenation anywhere.
I think I might have an answer to your Emilie and Amalie query... so, first off I believe the one we see sitting next to Natalie is Emilie, how did Gabriel make this possible? The answer is simple, he wished Amalie out of existence. Think about it... unlike the rest of the cast she is not featured in the finale or the entire show in general, it was hinted in the episode Emotion that Gabriel does not like her very much and constantly rejects her and her family (thus, not wanting to get too close to her), he refused to attend her husband's funeral, and he never invited her to the Diamonds Dance nor helped her in her "search" for Felix in season 5. It seems to me that he hated Amalie not only for her appearance, but for her leading him down a path of villainy since her and Emilie wanted children and Gabriel decided to help them, but suffered a great loss in his return. Love this theory, Aloubell well done.
🫠🐷 Well, Aluobell.... While this is an interesting theody, there's a big flaw in it.... Gabriel wasn't really loosing until Bug noir took half of his rings away.... But that half included the 🐷Pig Miraculous.... And Marinette, as we saw previously when she took the 🐢Turtle Miraculous, she can't use the rings for.... "Reasons".... So there's no point in time where s/he could have used the power....
I was so excited for the season finale honestly i was pretty disappointed. Now that i hear your theories it gives me hope that this very un thought of ending is really fake and they juked us to have a bigger reaction
Gabriel caused genocide and erased everybody. I'm getting Undertale Genocide flashbacks! Specifically the lines of. Let us erase this pointless world. And move on to the next.
Okay I know it's not that fitting with the topic of the video but I don't know where else to write about it TvT. So remember the last episode that Félix was actually fun to watch "Emotion"? Yeah, so he said in that episode that he wants to make his own wish and he said that he'll create a free world but I believe that he was just lying to get Ladybug'd sympathy. Anyway I have two ideas of what Félix would wish for: Félix would wish for Adrien, Kagami and himself to become human and in exchange he would gave up the humanity of Gabriel, Tomoe, and Colt (I know Colt is dead but I'm sure Félix would brought him back just to make him suffer) Félix would wish to re-write history where the Peacock Miraculous was never broken that way everything would be happy as for the consequence he would make the other Miraculous to become broken, which one? I don't know Butterfly maybe. Can we also just talk about how evil Félix was wasted? Like imagine all the cool things the Cat Noir reveal, the drama, the inside conflict Félix would have, and also I'm sorry but Feligami is just not my thing like either give Félix no one (make him aro/ace maybe?) or someone who wasn't in love with Adrien cause that makes me think that Kagami just dates Félix because he has Adrien's face. What even are sentimonsters? Like do they have bl*od? Do they have all the 0rgans humans do? Can they age by themselves? Can they even ever trurly be who they want to be? Can they even have like dreams of freedom? Also about Feligami since they both sentimonster so they technically are both created by Duusu wouldn't it be like inbreathing if they got together? (Same for Adrien and Kagami). Can Dusuu control sentimonsters when they want? How the controling objects even work? Answers to some of these questions: Can sentimonsters age by themselves? I think not like the were created in one form. But then again show seems to think that they do. But if they actually don't then that would mean that Emilie, Colt and Tomoe would have to upgrade their children every few months. Can they trurly be who they want to be? I doubt. In episode "Ladybug" the real Ladybug let's Sentibug choose if she wants to help but she doesn't break the contact with Sentibug until she asks for help so I guess that even unintentionaly you give them the mindset you want them to have. So I guess Marinette at the finale just unintentionally gave Adrien a forced mindset even if it's technically the mindset of freedom. Can Dusuu control sentimonsters if they want? It was never shown but I'm sure they can (also I use they/them pronouses for Duusu as in french he's male but in english she's female but I guess in my language dubbing Duusu's also a female anyways) imagine how fun it would be if Duusu would just be board or annoyed at Félix and then make him do something random or something that would ruin Félix's mood (like making him spill his tea or something) and then Félix would be like "Duusu, you little sh*t..." How does the controlling objects even work? Okay so inside the rings there is an amok. For Kagami's and Félix's ring it makes sense since they are singular rings but then comes the twin rings. Is the amok in only one of them or both? If it's in only one why didn't Gabriel just swapped the ring with his wife's earlier to make sure Adrien does what he wants. If it's in both then that means that Félix could control Adrien for the entirety of season 4. Also in "Risk" Félix says no to Gabriel when he's disguased as Adrien but then Nathalie uses the ring and Félix is obediant. But that ring is supposed to hold Adrien's amok not Felix's so do you need just any amok to control a sentimoster and it doesn't matter?
the biggest question i would have is, since everything got destroyed and remade, does the future where bunnyx came from to hunt timetagger even still exists?
There is one problem with your dream theory Lila is shown with the butterfly miraculous after signing up for school: the school was remolded into the paradise it is but we see Mr. Damocles Enrolling Cerise in what could be that same system or is could be the white flashes are signifying the dream the flash after the wish and the flash after the kiss but my guess is that Thomas is thinking of plan right now
Ok I'm gonna say something and it's going to sound crazy I think the person that visited Lila was Gabriel, like the colours of that look similar to the colour of the wish, which doesn't make any sense but what does in this damned show (I'm in the middle of the video so sorry if you talked about this theory already)
I'm wondering if the end was just a dream because Marinette/Ladybug was under the effect of the NightTormentor's nightmare also and so was Lyla But is it really the end of the Agreste story arc? They do like to start over making what happened not actually reality Cliffhangers are what keeps us coming back to see what happens next
Is it wrong that I want Lulu to be in some kind of story? Her lore just sounds so interesting. A question though, what exactly led you to refer to her kind as a "Logical"?
I always thought, if he could just sacrifice himself couldn't he just go ask fu to wish for his wife back and sacrifice himself? Why get them with force? Or just sacrifice someone who's on death row or something like that
Hey Alou, off topic but I have some character suggestions for you to draw for mlb vids Sabrina Nathaniel Gisele (miss bustier’s girlfriend) I’m not forcing but I want to see more art of them since they’re pretty cool characters
HUH. That's a good question actually haha. I feel like they are probably still sentimonsters--because the limit of the wish has to be drawn SOMEWHERE...but idk
With the way the season's ended, and weird character development, I'm thinking about quitting the show. While it has a special place in my heart after watching it for 4 years, I've sorta lost hope of an ending I want it to have. (I was a teen when I started watching, I am now an adult, so that's part of it) If it ends up fulfilling those goals, (like the reveal, Lila being gone, wish being properly explained, etc) Maybe I'll return to it. I've been kind of burnt out on it for a while anyway, and turned to new interests. Its the end of a long era, and this show should've ended its course a loooong time ago. (IT HAS 3 MORE SEASONS CONFIRMED, WHAT THE HECK, AND MORE SPECIALS?? And a second movie was confirmed from the Netflix special!) I did love your theories, so I hope maybe one of them can happen lol. The dream theory though would make me kind of upset, as it feels like the show wouldn't have mattered anyway. As people have been watching it for 8 years now. Which is insane. But yeah, these are my thoughts, its kinda all over the place, so for that I apologize LOL
So my theory is that Gabriel asked to be ill instead of Nathalie and to lose his body so Emilie could get up of her coma. (spoilers/leaks:) It's rumored that Gabriel became a spirit trapped in the butterfly Miraculous. And that's why Lila is so scared at the blue light (being Gabriel) at the end of the episode.
its worse because he was right and gets to be remembered as a hero and adrien gets to be gaslight into believing he was a great person to him and everyone
In my personal opinion, every story has a plot and logic. The logic is the already established rules that are important to the story. Once the plot deviates from the logic, the story becomes chaotic. Miraculous is a big example of that.
SO APPARENTLY the creators just confirmed that it is in fact Amelie. A bit weird that they had to confirm that via social media and not in the show itself, but whatever. At least it is thematically appropriate for it to be Amelie.
I still stand by most of my criticisms tho XD
That's such an important information though, considering their target audience some of them don't have social media, soo they're literally left in the dark and wondering if the woman is Emilie or Amelie.
@@mirai5451 RIGHT?!
I kinda like the idea better that Amelie just adopts Adrian making him brothers with Felix.
Emily could be introduced as a character from an alternative dimension.
I still find the theory of "dream" very exciting and i really hope it tangles in some way (yes im on purest copium rn because the end of the 5th season left me with such a big frustration i literally ended miraculous for myself for half a year until youtube randomly decided to recommend me some video on it)
This arc could've been done in three seasons, easily. The wish didn't feel like a payoff, and Adrien was gaslit into believing his emotionally abusive dad was a good father. Terrible finale, imo.
3 seasons = 3 acts. Can't be more simple :)
4 seasons would've been dragging it a little (but more forgivable considering the early fandom's patience). But 5? And with no observable reveal?!
Yep, the patience has already ran thin.
Imagine if Felix broke Adrian and Kagami out of their cells.
@@greenstarlover1 Fr, like Arcane did 3 acts in *_9 episodes_* there's no way people will or should ever praise or think highly of Miraculous for poorly executing 3 acts in 5 seasons.
@@chasetauscher9544 he would be like "Will you let me Thanos snap your parents now?"
@@zuza3377Oh my gosh. Felix would definitely be someone who would go the k*ll or be k*lled route. At least on people who are making Adrien and Kagami miserable.
Daron nefcy and Thomas astruc seem like twins based on how they handled their shows and aftermaths
Honestly, I am surprised they didn’t just have Gabriel wish to make Chloe be the one to die in his place, so he could live his life out with Emilie.
OOOOF. Don't give thomas idea's. 😭
WTF?!!
The wish is just so weird. Did Emilie return to life? How is Natalie back then? Did Gabriel heal both Natalie and Emelie? Was he one of the sacrifices? Who was the other sacrifice?
Just makes me really so confused.
I think the wish was to heal Nathalie and sacrifice himself. While we saw Amelie not Emilie
@@MiyuKawasaki that's it it cannot be Emilie for 3 reasons
1. Gabriel didn't wanted Adrien to know that he was monarch reviving Emilie would be a dead giveaway
2. The whole point of Marinette's speech was that Adrien made peace with his mom's death
3. Gabriel's life isn't worth 2 so he could have only safe Nathalie
Well if Emily was alive Natalie would’ve never used the peacock miraculous and gotten sick since Emily would still be in possession of it
Well sorry emillie
I think the wish is like what she said it’s for Adrian’s happiness. of course I have not watched the final, but it seems like Emily and Natalie coming back would fit with that wish, and also with all of the “ everyone is getting along perfectly well” thing. Even Lila getting the miraculous of the butterfly fits because, I’m guessing they don’t have the guts to actually to do a reveal , he would still be able to see his friend ladybug. I feel like Gabriel dying with basically him, giving up his own happiness that he could’ve had by wishing just for Emily to be alive and giving that choice to Adrian because he felt bad. Does that mean he’s a good father? Absolutely not he punted Adrian across France.
It feels like the wish as a concept was never fleshed out from the start, which is why it's so confusing now. And also frustrating cause y'all had 5 seasons to figure out what to do with it plus pre production and still dropped the ball. I'm almost impressed.
If the wish simply alters the current reality, Ladybug and Chat Noir literally could have given Gabe the wish early on and ended the arc in two seasons max. If the wish destroys the current reality and creates a new one that's an exact copy of the old one with just the changes of the wish, why would Thomas let the wish be made? Like, this is no longer our Adrien, our Nathalie, our Alix, our Sabrina, our Marinette, our Lila. These are entirely different people who just have the same look and memories (I presume) of the old versions but they're not the same ones. The wish needed to be much better explained and Thomas being vague on Twitter is not helpful, cute, smart, or appreciated. I blame zero fans for dropping the show at this point.
The equivalent exchange explaination would have sufficed. No need to complicate it further.
I would like if Gabriel was trapped with Lila by the butterfly miraculous because it would be the perfect punishment for him! Being stuck with someone who doesn't respect him and hurts him emotionally and psychologically is the same as Gabriel did with others so it would be a poetic justice. Lila could even do things to make Gabriel miserable, like calling him by his real name to keep reminding him of the past he wants to forget, or commenting on the things that are happening with Adrien to make him sad for being stuck with her and not being able to take advantage of the wish, specifically if Emilie is really alive, Lila would definitely talk about her too, and even if she isn't Gabriel himself said he can't live without her so he would rather be dead than stay without her
Dang.... that's dark, but I like it. 😂
Not having the reveal, not having Adrien in the finale, leaving the wish ambiguous
JUST BECAUSE WE HAVE MORE SEASONS, is so insane
Like, as back from some years we knew that Miraculous would end in S5, but now that Miraculous will go to S8, so they DEFINITELY had a different ending before the confirmation of new seasons, which is the WORST possible decision someone can make
Destroying the ending of a show, to have people watch the sequel, Astruc just wrecked the ending of the "Agreste Arc" (boy if THIS was the ending of Adrien's familly arc, then poor guy will have NOTHING to do in the next seasons) so people will still care for the "Lila Arc"
Something worth noting about the wish-Gabriel specifically said there was only *one* thing he wanted to change. Now I was never great at math, but I'm pretty sure reviving Emilie *and* Nathalie would be *two* ...
I still feel like they keeping it a mystery to see the reaction of the community to later say "yeah it is Adrian's mom or yeah its the sister"
Pretty much
Oh but Aloe! Thomas couldn't possibly ever give us straight answers because then he'd actually have to think things out instead of coming up with it and changing things as he goes!
Seriously, I hate how that seems to be the reason for so many things with this show. Is it Amelie or Emilie? Well we can't know because Thomas might need to change her to fit whatever he wants to do next. Why is the wish so confusing? Well if it's never had its rules set in stone, Thomas is able to make the wish serve whatever purpose he needs it to. Why does the show take 5 whole seasons to end a pretty simple arc in a super mid way? Well Thomas needed to go slow enough to change things on a whim and be vague enough to be able to add and take away concepts and explanations as needed. There is so little in this show that is thoroughly explained in a way that prevents retconning or backtracking or late additions/changes that this feels like it's the only explanation.
Honestly though. Astruc has the bad habit of making things up and droppig plot twists that don't make sense for the sake of shock value and it's nothing but inconsistent (the whole Adrien is a sentimonster came out of nowhere and honestly find it kinda sus that it was canon right after the theory blew up). When making a story you are passionate about, shouldn't you already have the lore and story decided from the start? Instead of making things up and throwing things at the wall as you go along?
E-yep.
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Interesting theory!! Especially the part where Gabriel used the pig miraculous’ powers to cope with the fact he’ll never see Emilie or Nathalie again.. and Lulu’s sooo cute! Can’t wait to see her in future videos! Love how frunsi also sends gloves with the tablet✨ 💗
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if Gabe did use the pig miraculous then why didn't he win easily in the final fight why was he having a hard time defeating bugnoir?
@@user-yw8ys4kq5x the point is that we don't know at what point during the fight he used the pig miraculous on her. Could have been near the end of the fight XD
If they reveal that his wish was to erase the negative effects of the peacock miraculous, that would only mean that Felix's father is now alive and that would be absolutely horrendous and just terrible writing.
I agree with your Dream Theory. This also explains how Lila was able to snatch the butterfly miraculous right under Gabriel and Bug Noir's noises. Perhaps they both were sharing the same dream which made both of them vulnurable to see Lila.
Also, to make the wish Gabriel has to transform first. That has been proven by "Deflagration" where the kwamis got the chance to rebel against Monarch, where in the finale they hugged each other completely hopeless.
honestly i wish that Emilie becomes next hawk moth she fights for 5 season she brings back Gabriel, he becomes hawk moth and cycle never ends
this show is basically non fixable so going with it can't make anythings worst and it will be funny
While I love Emilie. And her with the butterfly miraculous would be awesome. But I'd like to see her use it as a hero. I've never been a fan of villian Emilie. Unless it's her being similar to Doofinsmirtz in personality.
They made a wish too dramatic like I get that they wanted to make it deep but from our perspective the „Read heart and soul” makes zero sense (because we didn’t get like a POV of Gabriel’s thoughts or whatever)
5 whole ass seasons full of 25 or more episodes and 8 years and we got this for our finale. Adrien thinking his abusive father is good and still being left in the dark, The reveal not happening, Ladybug fighting Hawkmoth and Chat noir wasnt even in the same country. It was just awful.
Actually, that is not Emily in the ending, that is Amalie. It’s not that out of place that she’s there because Felix is there.
I thought the wish would be that Gabriel would sacrifice himself to make Emilie live or him with her. Honestly it is so confusing & not really explained on what is happening. The finale should have had Adrien knew about Gabriel being Monarch & Gabriel knew that Adrien is Chat
I thought we would have a Alternative Universe like things be different such as Ladybug & Chat being different holders and people forgetting their past world. I always knew Felix was always a good guy & him being on the team.
Probably the theory that made most sense to me since it was explicitly stated that you have to trade something equal for a wish was that instead of the peacock, it was the butterfly miraculous that would slowly kill its user
19:36 Nice seeing some love for Medibang! It's very comfy and neat.
Also cool how this is the backstory of the third member of the Aloubell lore, LuLu! (edited to fix spelling)
Thank you! ❤
And it's "Lulu."
I decided to not make it "LouLou" because that looks weird to me XD
@@TheArtisticAloubell Good idea, very nice!
I saw the dream theory before and I personally think its true. I mean how could even the Mlb writers think that ending in such a convenient perfect ending with no real consequences.
I love the film theory reference at the end. Would love to see matpat and you do a collab 😅
The Aloubell Lore Is CRAZY!
My theory is that he wished for Adrien to have a happy life. Which is why Nathalie and (uhhhhhh whichever one is his mother) are alive but Gabriel is not.
This might also explain why Adrien was never told who Gabriel really was: Even if telling Adrien the truth is the right thing to do, the foundations of this reality are centered around keeping Adrien happy, and if learning the truth about his father would make him unhappy than this new world will do anything in its power to keep that from happening.
Great theory! 😁
So bascially, if this theory is true, Adrien isnt "misfortune" but "fortune?"
Like if he wanted to hang outside with Nino, and the weather forecast said that there will be a thunderstorm, this "new world" would eradicate that storm cause it makes Adrien unhappy?
If a school trip had to be canceled because the teacher was sick, the "new world" would make that teacher healthy for the entire day of the feildtrip to keep Adrien happy?
If that's the case it would be very interesting, but I can easily see how the writers would ruin it, and centre this sudden "adrien focused world" to Marinette
Plus now in this "new world" (i should have a coubter for how many times i said new world) if Adrien isn't misfortune, he wouldn’t be yang, which is Plagg (bad luck) wait no ignore this paragraph alone, I forgot the show scrapped that idea. As well as I forgot this isn't a fanfic.
Lulu is adorable! Lulu kind of looks like Kyubey from Madoka Magia🥺
Honestly your theory sounds super cool but I feel like it would make sense the most if it was Gabriel’s dream or even Adrien’s dream. Seeing the dream from Adrien’s perspective would’ve been so cool, it would be pretty dark but it would give him needed character development.
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It's crazy that the show has gone off the rails so badly that the "it was all a dream/coma before they died" theory makes sense. Also I love lulu so much! She's so cute😍
Also the fact that we're watching you slowly create lore for character/s originally made to just be ur persona is really funny to me for some reason lol
(I don't have a melting face but this guy gives the same vibes)🙃
Lulu is super cute! I really like her design!!! Looking forward to when we get to meet ay-ay, lol.
Thank you! X3
And I'd say the crew is complete for now haha
And technically, I'm the "A" part of the equation XD
@@TheArtisticAloubell I had the thought you were the "a" actually, tbh I really only said that as a joke lol
@@gamerbeat9551 I know it was a joke XD you're good! ❤️
Lila when she got the butterfly miraculous: "Gonna steal gonna be untrue. I'm blackhearted through and through. If I wanna be bad I gotta walk in his shoes."
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The dream theory is interesting. I know there's a huge chance that isn't real, but it's still fun.
Also, while thinking about "everyone got replaced with clones due to the wish", make me think of a possible fan story where somehow Adrien gets out of the universe while it's getting resetted/rebuilt by the wish and he can tell something is off once he's back.
Also Lulu is adorable :o
Thank you ❤
I think we can settle this debate by looking into the voiceactors since Emilie and Amelie actually have different voiceactors and the woman at the end of the wish did have a voiceline saying "yeah!"
For the people saying that Gabe could’ve just wished for the Peacock miraculous to be fixed, equivalent exchange means they’d need to break a different miraculous.
Everyone at the final scene has used the various miraculous, so if any other Miraculous had broken, at least *one* person at that party would be dead or dying.
I've been saying this over and over again. Gabriel redemption versus Chloe's is plain hypocritical and contradicting. Thomas said it himself that She is just plain evil and doesn't deserve redemption, that people don't change and from what I can get from his statements is that if you were bad in the past you will never change you will be that horrible person forever and never change. But here we have a Man who put his child in an isolation room and then basically mentally abused his child, and then also terrorizing the city countless and COUNTLESS of times but that same man, Got a big statue in honor of his "Sacrifice" and got redeemed. I don't think they saw a flaw in this. I think they thought that people would like. They didn't build up the redemption at all, Gabriel just became worse over the seasons after seasons. Now I'll say this over and over again, Chloe didn't need to get any chance if they wanted to just leave her as some pathetic little brat. They could've left her like that and people would have no problem. I mean annoying bratty characters exist for a reason and nobody really hates or cares, they're just there for being antagonists, and yes ofc some people do actually like those characters but thats no surprise because its a very common thing in our media for people to kinda like the villains in some stories.
Alou is here with another video!!! Also yes, the wish is very weird
Lulu looks so cute! 🥰
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Your theory is interesting specifically the part where he uses the pig miraculous because it would keep the wish consistent
Welcome to your new team lulu
Bro just became MatPat
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Maybe I was MatPat the whole time?!?!?! LOL
@@TheArtisticAloubellbut that's just a theory. A BELL THEORY!
I immediately thought of the svtfoe finale. The fact that this finale managed to be worse is disappointing and the fact that everyone just died and got replaced by exact same copies makes me want to abandon the show after this episode and focus on all the episodes that came before that.
Gabriel also knew that most of marinettes friends had miraculouses, so it makes sense he would think the rest of them would ALSO have them.
On one hand, there is this trope around making dangerous wishes with ancient artifacts, that you have to make a very specific "right" wish to not frick everything up. For example, the end of Inuyasha had something similar with the Shikon jewel. Alladin freeing the Genie, and I'm sure there are others, but can't think of any. But this, yeah, what a copout this one was. Not only did the villain who terrorized literal children and Paris itself get his way, but his wish was the "correct" wish? I'm calling BS on this one.
PS another weird trope is the "Dying dream" bonus points when it's a collective dying dream.
I honestly think that the next villain should be an evil Kwami.
Since Kwamis are created whenever humans create something new in the world, surely there has to be some made from purely evil actions.
Like a Kwami born from genocide or something.
*gasp* those fingernails are cute
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This video actually gave me a idea for my Au I been trying to rewrite this scene for ever!!!
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I absolutely LOVE your art style ❤️
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I honestly hate the dream trope if it's for an extended period of time but yours would be so cool. Marinette being dead or in a coma-like state would be sort of grand? Having the beginning of season 6 focus on Cat/Adrien feels like it refreshes stuff. Although i think that'd mess things up a bit more.
I do like the idea that the end was a dream, it makes me sick lol.
The idea that it was Marinnettes dream would be sweet, she could be struggling to come to terms with the fact that her bf's dad was her enemy she's been fighting for months (in the shows timeline). Her dream removes the possibility of Gabe being Hawk-Moth or even if he was, he decided to sacrifice himself for Natalie or Emilie, hence the statue. Marinette has been shown to make up stories and fantasize about things so it'd sort of fit her I think.
Also didnt LB send CN a message telling him who HM was and in the final scene with them he has his ring on so it's either the removal of the ring erased the message, a different person with the miraculous on or the wish got rid of it. I do hope it's some weird dream fantasy. Too many miraculous in circulation also i swear that the red laptop has the identities of the holders on it and if not, it's Lila she probably can figure it out very quick.
I hope this next season is good but knowing miraculous, it might be a trainwreck lol
You dying and someone the exact copy of you replacing you
Sounds like a certain game that was released a month ago-
🫠Helo Allou, Have you heard of a theory that Lila is actually Manon from the future?
This theory manages to be more consistent, as for Boo being the witch of the brave movie!! 😅
I've heard of the theory, but haven't been curious enough to pursue it XD
I have a theory, what if Gabriel sacrificed Emilie's life and his own to save them both (Emilie and Nathalie), let me explain:
Gimmi the kwami of reality can grant you a wish but an equivalent exchange needs to be made, so Gabriel could not save Nathalie and Emilie only by giving his own life, we know that Emilie was not dead, she was in a dream from which she could not wake up (that camera where her body was kept her alive), taking into account this information, my theory is that Gabriel sacrificed Emilie's life (who was alive) to revive Nathalie and then sacrificed his life to revive Emilie, so that way both (Emilie and Nathalie) would come back to life.
We could say that Gabriel's wish was the following, his wish could have been:
relive the two women he loved, Nathalie and Emilie (read my heart), his sacrifice:
Emilie's life for Nathalie's and my life for Emilie's (read my soul), in this way he was able to "revive" both giving Emilie's life and his own asking for just one wish.
I think it is the most logical theory, there is also a detail in the series that can semi-confirm that I am right, when Gabriel makes his wish, Emilie and he rise into the air as if Gimmi were taking the lives of both of them, to fulfill the wish , Emilie's life (who was alive) for Nathalie's and Gabriel's life for Emilie's, I think it's the most logical thing to think... what do you think.
🫠 Very interesting and well thought-out theories! It honestly just annoys me so much that despite the first arc being "finished", there are still SO many lose ends. The show could've ended here if it wanted to (would've been a bad ending, but an ending nonetheless), but this is a cash cow that they won't let go of apparently, so they just have to keep up making up cliffhangers and unsolved plotlines to keep the audience watching. It's kinda sad, really. 😑
With that out of the way, I LOVE LULU SO MUCH! She's super adorable! 😻 Her concept is also a lot of fun. I love shape-shifting animal sidekicks, and the fact that she's a cat gives her tons of extra points for me x3 Looking forward to seeing her more in your videos! 💜
Thank you so much
Hm, a very interesting Theory, i wonder how likely it is for something like this to be the direction that they decide to go with? It’s probably not that likely based on what we know of the people working on it.
Still, who knows, weirder things has happened, regardless we’ll only know for certain when Season 6 comes around,
i hope they take full advantage of the opportunity that has come from finally ending the Gabriel Plotline and make huge improvements on the Show.
Man, Miraculous is starting to look like the Fnaf lore. Complicated and full of unanswered questions
Exactly but at least Fnaf has one singular timeline unlike Miraculous
I had another theory or an ending story idea a few months ago that when Jeremy Zag ends this series the whole series never happened no Ladybug no Cat Noir it's all made to be a joint dream that Adrien and Marinette had and when they wake up realizing it was just an extremely vivid dream they run out of their homes going to see if their soul mate exists and meet each other at the park fountain with Master Fu Tikki and Plagg watching them meet, but did it happen, and their memories were made to be a dream?!
That's why there isn't any record of Miraculous'
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( i couldnt find the melting face Emoji)
And Lulu is so cute 🥺🐱 and the Tablet Looks cool
Thank you very much ❤
TBH whatever the wish is they will bring emilly somehow, same with gabe but with the "alternative universe" stick
WHY DOES DIS MAKE SOOOOOO MUCH SENSE!?!L!?!?
Tbh, I HOPE that the happy ending was all dream, cause that ending was TOO sussy to me, and it's SO unearned. Also, after watching your bits about you discussing whether the dream is from Marinette or Gabriel, I IMMEDIATELY thought about Adrien 🤔 ..... I know that theory still wouldn't sit right since he also wouldn't want lila to have the butterfly miraculous, but still....
Maybe it’s because of the miraculous AU I created in my own head but I feel like before the wish is acually made the person that wishes sees the version of the world after the wish and then can finnish or cancel the wish but it’s not like a dream more like an interactive game and world created in that dream-wish? goes only as far as it’s needed for the person that makes the wish. (I know it sounds messy but I promise it would make sense)
Also why didn’t Gabriel just said „Nah you can take Marinette” I mean who would stop him? Heck he could even bring both Emilie and Nathnalie back and just saying „switch it with Félix” I mean Gabriel hates Félix right? For like 3/4 of the season he wanted to have his perfect aliancie with Adrien and Kagami so he could just get did of Marinette and Félix when he had a chance to. I know that in that cause villain would win but at this point it would be better since the show would be over.
Also I want to refuse Ephemeral’s canonical since this episode just gets on my nerves but after the whole world ending I tought they would show like Earth being distroyed with cataclysm and re-creatied with whatever Ladybug’s powers are and then maybe show like you know, everyone being „reborn”. Also does this new versions of characters have the same memorioes as the previous one? It seems like they do given the scene with Marinette but if they then Gabriel would be exposed immeditaly. Also where did Gabriel’s body go? Like was he lying in the basement but we just didn’t see that or did he just disapread in the power of love. Like it would be at least third earth sine Ephemeral said that the wish happened at least once.
In short the wish is by far the most confusing thing in this show. Also sorry of english just in case.
I don´t think so. I mean it sounds good and could be the better option BUT there is one crucial detail: When Adrian talked about his father and Mari chooses to lie to him by leaving him in the dark; I know that could mean just one thing: character drama! What will happen when Adrian finds out the truth? Will they break up? I know, it sounds stupid but yeah, the focus of the show is their messed up relationship. Not the relationship betwenn Adrian and his parents. No. It´s all about him and Mari. It´s all about her and the drama that she creates. This is the show and it always will be.
Also I love your new Eeveelution.^^
Lulu does look like an Eeveelution XD
Also, Mari keeping the secret could still be part of the dream. Gabriel's dream as he'd want her to keep his secret! Haha
But yes, her keeping the secret could be set up for future drama x3
:melting_face: ahh android... Missing another emoji 😂
Man if this theory turns out to be true... I expect residuals to Aloe! 👏👏🤣🤣 Also great job on short hair lila chibi! (even as a chibi... Still looking evil 🤣)
Awesome new tablet! I have a feeling lulu will be used as a way to get interesting silhouettes!
She's so adorable and cool! Great job as always! 👏👏😎
I have an android XD
I just like using the really obscure emojis that apparently take a while to find XD
Anyway, thank you ❤
Ahh! Lol make sense makes more fun that way! 👍🌟
And of course!
uh, I swear all the fans of this show are still watching the drama because they want to end this suffering and relax
Show itself dont give a shot about the fans either,im Just so happy its over. But yea we still dosent have a clear explanation of anything. Whole thing is a fanmade of, thomas fantasie💀
you know what would be funny: if Nooroo and Gabriel Switched Places. imagine that beautifull small Kwami with that face and Smile Gabriel gives on the last episode of Season 5 XD (Nightmare Fuel)
But the Dream Hypotesis isn't far fetched imo. i mean, before season 5, i thought that Emillie/Amellie were the Sentimonsters instead of Felix/Adrien, given how Idential and perfect both seems to be, and that IMO would fit well given how we see Gabriel being completely Narcisistic about it.
They basically said "ephemeral is relevant and important" and then changed the rules.
What didn't make sense to me was how he could just choose what his sacrifice would be.
The wish is super weird. With what it did, it almost feels like two wishes since it brought nathalie back as well as emily, seemingly. So it seems like he chose to take on the illness that his family members had from using the miraculous the peacock miraculous. Going by the rules of Gimmi hed probably absorb all that damage to himself and end up dying, which he was doing anyway. Thats what makes the most sense to me.
during the series it seemed like his wish would be to bring back his wife, which would not end up destroying the world and with the episode where luka has to go back in time after chat and ladybug reveal their identies it seems like its recreating all of reality, which is what it seemed to be implying throught the series. But based on Gimmi's explanation, most likely would require a sacrifice, probably either himself or some bystander or one of the heroes.
It would have been neat if we learned that throughout the story he lost sight of the wish he was originally going to make, and have this fall to darkness aspect of him being more and more focused on selfish goals than just bringing his wife back, (like him being forcing Adrien and Kagami, working with Ms. Tsurugi, and his world domination thing it seemed like he was trending towards) but thats not how the story plays out so it feels like a switch up right at the end
... but does that mean felix's dad is alive now? weird.
Its good to see you join the Cult of Conspiracies(in all seriousness, its nice to see you do something like a theory. It shakes up your content and more variety can help you grow).
Thanks ❤
Ahhhhh, LuLu is adorable!!
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You know what creator mess everything up when fans start infinite tsukuyomi-ng his plot. I hope it better be it.
god i usually hate "it was just a dream" endings, but this finale is so awful i would prefer it all being a dream ...
I think the wish works like a second chance, except it's the biggest second chance ever. At least, that's what I understood from ephemeral. Sass said that everything would have to be "erased" and written in a "different color". So wouldn't these characters just be reborn the same way except the fact that Nathalie never died?
Questions for aloe
1) In general, do you think MLB is a good or bad show?
2) What's your opinion on Lila?
3) Can a character be a Mary Sue if they have flaws and face consequences, but the writing is forced like for Mari and Zoe?
4) When's your next Bonds beyond fate AU coming out?
5) Would you be willing to rate some of my fanfiction?
6) Could you write a fanfiction for S6 with the Lila arc seperate from bonds beyond fate?
7) Red sauce or white sauce pasta?
8) Do you think Felix is a well written character and what are your opinions on Feligami?
9) Who do you think is the best character and worst in MLB?
10) Best and worst parents in MLB?
11) Comfort food for dealing with MLB 😅
12) Favourite song
Another thing that bugged me about the wish not being explained was how after the wish was made the characters knew about the wish or even depending on what the wish was why they still had miraculouses because going by the show's rules the universe would've been re-written and if he exchanged his life for Natalie or Emilie then the in the new universe the timeline would've changed with no Hawkmoth to try to make the wish or stopped mid way due to death, we know Natalie and Emilie wouldn't even try to make a wish so there'd really be no reason to look into the wish or really any evidence that shows that the new universe is a wish because real life explanations would be given otherwise Tikki and Plagg would've had to tell them but that just brings up the question why tell? Why burden teenagers with the fact they failed at their jobs? If it was Emilie who was brought back then there never would've been a need for Ladybug and Chat Noir assuming that when Gabe replaced his life for Emilie's he died from the peacock death sickness they never would've been heroes so how and why are they here? If Natalie was saved how did they learn about the wish? Again assuming he died from the peacock death sickness instead so in this universe still no wish was made they might not even have learned why he wanted the miraculous so again how they'd know what he'd wish for?
While some have argued that Gabe wished for everything to stay the same minus whoever dying that still needs an explenation because how everything happened and then him suddenly dead with whoever brought back to life if it doesn't change the past and then still the universe was re-written, them going through the same events still doesn't explain how they know about the wish being made and if he wished for Marinette to remember, why? He wanted to be remembered as a good man so why let the one person he couldn't trust to keep that secret remember?
It's just so confusing because if this is a new universe and that was Emilie technically there should be no miraculous holders because no danger was brough to Paris along with because this is a new universe where Gabe died as far as they know the wish never happened so how and why do they know? I'm just very confused and can't find an explenation anywhere.
I think I might have an answer to your Emilie and Amalie query... so, first off I believe the one we see sitting next to Natalie is Emilie, how did Gabriel make this possible? The answer is simple, he wished Amalie out of existence.
Think about it... unlike the rest of the cast she is not featured in the finale or the entire show in general, it was hinted in the episode Emotion that Gabriel does not like her very much and constantly rejects her and her family (thus, not wanting to get too close to her), he refused to attend her husband's funeral, and he never invited her to the Diamonds Dance nor helped her in her "search" for Felix in season 5.
It seems to me that he hated Amalie not only for her appearance, but for her leading him down a path of villainy since her and Emilie wanted children and Gabriel decided to help them, but suffered a great loss in his return.
Love this theory, Aloubell well done.
thank you ! ^_^
I don't like the fact that Marinette flat out lied to adrian. Thats disgusting to me.
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Well, Aluobell.... While this is an interesting theody, there's a big flaw in it.... Gabriel wasn't really loosing until Bug noir took half of his rings away.... But that half included the 🐷Pig Miraculous.... And Marinette, as we saw previously when she took the 🐢Turtle Miraculous, she can't use the rings for.... "Reasons".... So there's no point in time where s/he could have used the power....
Nice OC by the way, you’re very talented.
Thank you
I was so excited for the season finale honestly i was pretty disappointed. Now that i hear your theories it gives me hope that this very un thought of ending is really fake and they juked us to have a bigger reaction
Gabriel caused genocide and erased everybody.
I'm getting Undertale Genocide flashbacks! Specifically the lines of. Let us erase this pointless world. And move on to the next.
Okay I know it's not that fitting with the topic of the video but I don't know where else to write about it TvT. So remember the last episode that Félix was actually fun to watch "Emotion"? Yeah, so he said in that episode that he wants to make his own wish and he said that he'll create a free world but I believe that he was just lying to get Ladybug'd sympathy. Anyway I have two ideas of what Félix would wish for:
Félix would wish for Adrien, Kagami and himself to become human and in exchange he would gave up the humanity of Gabriel, Tomoe, and Colt (I know Colt is dead but I'm sure Félix would brought him back just to make him suffer)
Félix would wish to re-write history where the Peacock Miraculous was never broken that way everything would be happy as for the consequence he would make the other Miraculous to become broken, which one? I don't know Butterfly maybe.
Can we also just talk about how evil Félix was wasted? Like imagine all the cool things the Cat Noir reveal, the drama, the inside conflict Félix would have, and also I'm sorry but Feligami is just not my thing like either give Félix no one (make him aro/ace maybe?) or someone who wasn't in love with Adrien cause that makes me think that Kagami just dates Félix because he has Adrien's face.
What even are sentimonsters? Like do they have bl*od? Do they have all the 0rgans humans do? Can they age by themselves? Can they even ever trurly be who they want to be? Can they even have like dreams of freedom? Also about Feligami since they both sentimonster so they technically are both created by Duusu wouldn't it be like inbreathing if they got together? (Same for Adrien and Kagami). Can Dusuu control sentimonsters when they want? How the controling objects even work?
Answers to some of these questions:
Can sentimonsters age by themselves? I think not like the were created in one form. But then again show seems to think that they do. But if they actually don't then that would mean that Emilie, Colt and Tomoe would have to upgrade their children every few months.
Can they trurly be who they want to be? I doubt. In episode "Ladybug" the real Ladybug let's Sentibug choose if she wants to help but she doesn't break the contact with Sentibug until she asks for help so I guess that even unintentionaly you give them the mindset you want them to have. So I guess Marinette at the finale just unintentionally gave Adrien a forced mindset even if it's technically the mindset of freedom.
Can Dusuu control sentimonsters if they want? It was never shown but I'm sure they can (also I use they/them pronouses for Duusu as in french he's male but in english she's female but I guess in my language dubbing Duusu's also a female anyways) imagine how fun it would be if Duusu would just be board or annoyed at Félix and then make him do something random or something that would ruin Félix's mood (like making him spill his tea or something) and then Félix would be like "Duusu, you little sh*t..."
How does the controlling objects even work? Okay so inside the rings there is an amok. For Kagami's and Félix's ring it makes sense since they are singular rings but then comes the twin rings. Is the amok in only one of them or both? If it's in only one why didn't Gabriel just swapped the ring with his wife's earlier to make sure Adrien does what he wants. If it's in both then that means that Félix could control Adrien for the entirety of season 4. Also in "Risk" Félix says no to Gabriel when he's disguased as Adrien but then Nathalie uses the ring and Félix is obediant. But that ring is supposed to hold Adrien's amok not Felix's so do you need just any amok to control a sentimoster and it doesn't matter?
the biggest question i would have is, since everything got destroyed and remade, does the future where bunnyx came from to hunt timetagger even still exists?
There is one problem with your dream theory
Lila is shown with the butterfly miraculous after signing up for school:
the school was remolded into the paradise it is but we see Mr. Damocles Enrolling Cerise in what could be that same system
or is could be the white flashes are signifying the dream the flash after the wish and the flash after the kiss
but my guess is that Thomas is thinking of plan right now
Ok I'm gonna say something and it's going to sound crazy
I think the person that visited Lila was Gabriel, like the colours of that look similar to the colour of the wish, which doesn't make any sense but what does in this damned show (I'm in the middle of the video so sorry if you talked about this theory already)
I'm wondering if the end was just a dream because Marinette/Ladybug was under the effect of the NightTormentor's nightmare also and so was Lyla
But is it really the end of the Agreste story arc? They do like to start over making what happened not actually reality
Cliffhangers are what keeps us coming back to see what happens next
I said this before I watched the rest of the video where you said your theory and the dreams are combined
Is it wrong that I want Lulu to be in some kind of story? Her lore just sounds so interesting. A question though, what exactly led you to refer to her kind as a "Logical"?
That's just what she is. Since she's not a cat--had to call her SOMETHING. So I called her a "Logical." X3
I always thought, if he could just sacrifice himself couldn't he just go ask fu to wish for his wife back and sacrifice himself? Why get them with force? Or just sacrifice someone who's on death row or something like that
Imagine if that even isn’t Emile, WAIT WHAT IF that Emile is a copy as well?
Hey Alou, off topic but I have some character suggestions for you to draw for mlb vids
Sabrina
Nathaniel
Gisele (miss bustier’s girlfriend)
I’m not forcing but I want to see more art of them since they’re pretty cool characters
I usually only draw characters that are directly important to what I'm talking about.
But we'll see!
Quick thought: Do you think that Felix and Adrien are no longer sentimonsters if they have been "replaced"? Are they real authentic humans?
HUH. That's a good question actually haha.
I feel like they are probably still sentimonsters--because the limit of the wish has to be drawn SOMEWHERE...but idk
I mean Amelie and Emilie share the same model so that’s proper why the model is labeled as Emilie
Lulu is so adorable! I love her so much!
Thank you ❤
HEY OH! 😃😃 Your intro music is from BFDI by jacknjellify.
My intro music is actually Itty Bitty 8-bit by Kevin Macleod haha😅
With the way the season's ended, and weird character development, I'm thinking about quitting the show. While it has a special place in my heart after watching it for 4 years, I've sorta lost hope of an ending I want it to have. (I was a teen when I started watching, I am now an adult, so that's part of it)
If it ends up fulfilling those goals, (like the reveal, Lila being gone, wish being properly explained, etc) Maybe I'll return to it. I've been kind of burnt out on it for a while anyway, and turned to new interests. Its the end of a long era, and this show should've ended its course a loooong time ago. (IT HAS 3 MORE SEASONS CONFIRMED, WHAT THE HECK, AND MORE SPECIALS?? And a second movie was confirmed from the Netflix special!)
I did love your theories, so I hope maybe one of them can happen lol. The dream theory though would make me kind of upset, as it feels like the show wouldn't have mattered anyway. As people have been watching it for 8 years now. Which is insane. But yeah, these are my thoughts, its kinda all over the place, so for that I apologize LOL
I personally think that they were trying to leave so many clues to get fans excited for the next season, but I think they over did it
So my theory is that Gabriel asked to be ill instead of Nathalie and to lose his body so Emilie could get up of her coma. (spoilers/leaks:)
It's rumored that Gabriel became a spirit trapped in the butterfly Miraculous. And that's why Lila is so scared at the blue light (being Gabriel) at the end of the episode.
I finally finished season five 😭
It is sad that the bad guy did win
its worse because he was right and gets to be remembered as a hero and adrien gets to be gaslight into believing he was a great person to him and everyone
@@monerb7185And Marinette is seen as a hero when she's the one who trusted Gabriel. Like Marinette! You idiot!
Remember Ephemeral, take that against Recreation.
Did someone wished for something?!
(I don't regret that Fairly oddparents reference lol)
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Hi!❤
In my personal opinion, every story has a plot and logic. The logic is the already established rules that are important to the story. Once the plot deviates from the logic, the story becomes chaotic. Miraculous is a big example of that.
The whole things about this so called conclusion revolve around how it doesn't conclude anything
The wish's just too weird... *insert melting emoji*
By the way, the new character's so cute!! *insert black cat emoji*
thank you
@@TheArtisticAloubell idk why I couldn't do the emojis so I had to write "*insert emoji*"