Yeah like, at least he is trying to do better. Literally without the Resistance, Ladybug and Cat Noir would've lost in Deflagration and Representation.. I do think that he deserves to know Adrien's identity also and he would definitely help him.. This time however, he would not tell anyone because Adrien is Cat Noir, one of Paris' biggest heroes and also they all have their miraculouses permanently now. Also, since Adrien already knows that Nino is Carapace, it would make it easier for them to work together..
Hmm wasn't he the one who revealed his identity and alyas to marinette and adrien lol so not really I don't think he was really that worthy for a miraculous
@@AmandaPrice-f8c again revealing that they were rena and carapace was the stupidest thing they had nino do in a Cafeteria might I add where everyone could have overheard him reveal such a secret with out his girlfriend's consent for it but it's not ninos fault its the writers for caracter assassin some of its loved caracters for no reason other then saying that they're main caracter is a saint and has no flaws lmoa
@@AmandaPrice-f8c but chloe saying some how makes sense cause they made her caracter not that smart but making nino do it in season 5 of all seasons is just bad writing
And they definitely Need to do this with more side character like how Zoè got more fleshsed out in The Kwami's Choice she became more than just a nice girl Matinette's friend group who uses a miraculous
@@omundodovini3774 yep we have The protagonists Marinette and Adrian, The Deuertagonist which the mentioned above , The Tritagonists Luka and Kagami the Antagonists Gabriel,Lila,Chloè, Tomoe Nathalie(Formerly), Anti heros Chloè(Formerly), Nathalie, Felix and then the Major characters such as Mylenè, Rose, Zoè and more Reoccuring Characters like Nadja then Minor characters like Ms.Medileev
I really liked Nino, but I think Rocketear is by far his worst episode. He completely betrayed his girlfriend's privacy by telling Adrien her secret identity behind her back, than nearly MURDERED HIM as Chat Noir. He could've solved his problems by just talking to Alya, but he thought basically spying on her was easier than actually communicating. Then he tells Marinette their identities again IN A PUBLIC CAFETERIA. Alya and Nino may share secrets, but he sure can't keep them.
a lot of times people take their measures into their own hands in real life in a irrational way driven by emotion when they are cheated on so his reaction to the situation passes to me as kinda reasonable for someone in this cenario and plus at this point in the story i don't think he knew that adrian is cat noir so meh
@zan.see.x9624 Even if he didn't know Adrien is CN. That doesn't change the fact that he almost murdered an innocent guy because of his baseless suspicions.
he was akumatised when he tried to murder chat noir. also chat noir has done far worse, by that i mean he tried to kill at least 2 people (dark cupid and dark owl) fully concious, and intentionally while wearing the miraculous.
It's so backwards it took literally ONE episode for Nino and Alya to set sail. Whereas Marinette and Adrien takes FIVE SEASONS. Ridiculous. Utterly ridiculous.
Dude, Marinette and Adrien are hardly convincing friends (even in season 5!), they have little chemistry together. And honestly it will all go to hell when the blond finds out the truth of what the dumb girl did in season 5 finale.
I literally rewatched the ep where they get together recently and there's 0 chemistry. Alya didn't even want to go out with him but suddenly changes her mind?? Okay 💀
Honestly didn't really care about him one way or another until Rocketear where my opinion took a nosedive. The amount of mental gymnastics it took him to jump to those conclusions were almost impressive. Though I do like Carapace, he looks cool and his transformation sequence is fun
To be fair he DOES have strong parallels with marinette so it's actuallyvreally in line if you notice thise parallels between him and mari while alya and adrien have parallels as well. So uimbjumping to conclusions due to jumping to conclusions would make sense then.
I have to always think about the fact that any time Astruc seems to hear a character is liked more than Marinette, he has to take them out to the back and shoot them to prove Marinette is the best. This is the best way I can explain why every character seems to have episodes where they're acting either OOC or their flaws are magnified unreasonably. Miraculous is one of the very, very rare fandoms where the source material is probably handled better by the fans than the official writers. Not ALL the fans, but the show half the time feels like one of those ship fics where people like two characters together who already have canon love interests and instead of just having them drift apart, turn the canon love interests into the worst people ever.
No you're right, most characters have their previously shown personalities bulldozed over by the plot and Nino was one of them. As the show goes on they keep throwing more contradictory information at us that makes characters we like suddenly look ignorant at best and maliciously stupid at worst.
Nino is honestly such an underrated character he’s such a loyal chill dude. I don’t think he has really ever had a bad episode (apart from the obvious rocketear). I hope we get episodes where he’s the main focus in season 6
I had to pause the video when he said arrogant and stupid is where he draws the line...... He's based on sun wukong. Literally one of the most popular characters in fiction who practically every anime main character is based on, the trait he's missing is being clever. Sun is a idiot compared to the rest of the group but has a high intuition and likes Play pranks. These two together allow him to win even when outmatched and to abuse the power system. Kim's missing manipulation, intuition and pranks. This would have made him interesting and in the first few episodes he actually has all of said traits. Could've used it to push the plot forward and have him be included in marionettes ... shenanigans..... Yeah let's be honest, it's stalking. However that would be in Character for sun. We have: •Kitsune/Alya(In character to help a friend and have loose morals/ help Marinette) •Monkey King/Kim(would have loose morals and be in it for the shenanigans) •Bak... something neko/Chat(Abused cat that just wants to do whatever it wants, get in its way and you meet destruction.... They gave chat Kim's personality instead of this. Recall he was originally meant to be Felix.)
@Owell_Owl They have a good point. Both kim and nino were quite chill in the first 3 seasons, but in seasons 4&5 they suddenly become insensitive jerks out of nowhere (also kim stopped being a jerk around season 2)
I agree with a lot of this. But the thing that bugged me in Rocketear was not him revealing the secret identities. I understood why. However, I am surprised the show acted like he didn’t nearly murder someone. I wanted to see a PTSD storyline or something where he wakes up from having nightmares and the only person he feels like he can talk to is Alya. Imagine if he finds out Cat Noir is Adrien and he does not know if he can ever make it up to him. Adrien gives him grace, of course, but Nino feels so guilty. But that well developed arc is outside the bounds of Astruc when it comes to this show.
@@kubat4925 which begs the question of why more characters don’t feel guilty about it. But what felt different about this one was there was more anger and almost hate behind it. Car noir did choose to make himself more vulnerable because he dis not want to fight his best friend, but Nino was this close to committing murder which felt unlike him. Maybe because the two rivals at play were friends so I took that to heart. But considering how empathetic Nino is, I am surprised he didn’t feel more distraught over it. It needed more than “i hope we’re good now dude”, if that makes any sense. Nathaniel was really close to murdering Chloe too and I think that bugged me too.
@@gabrielleduplessis7388 Because they know they're not exactly in control of their actions. They are under the influence of black magic so to speak. They're not themselves. Hawk Moth specifically takes advantage of them and lets them be guided by their intrusive thoughts. They don't even keep the memories of being akumatized. They're not aware of what they were doing while being villains. Now, Nino did remember what he did to Cat Noir as he fought off the Akuma on his own and got to keep his memories because of it. However, Nino did express back in Puppeteer 2 that he does not consider akumatized villains as people guilty of their actions but victims of manipulation.
@@kubat4925 forgive me for over analyzing here. I do understand this aspect, but it does seem they have control over what they want their outfits to look at, the type of weapons they use. Haw Moth does not do that. They do. And when they switch up from trying to get the miraculous to seeking revenge on whomever, that is the person’r choice to do that and where Hawk moth loses some of his control. That is why I feel the akumatized people choose what form of violence they use or how far they are willing to take it. It just starts with Hawkmoth allowing them to do once he takes over.
@@gabrielleduplessis7388 The power of butterfly miraculous allows you to be reborn as a super-being with the powers of your choosing with whatever you feel you need to succeed in your mission. However no, by the long shot, no one who gets akumatized is actually aware of what they are doing. It's like they're getting drugged or drunk, technically speaking it's still them, but they have no recollection of what they could've done when they weren't sober as it happens. Blacking out is a thing. And akumatization to an extent is a magical possession, but said individuals don't completely lose themselves, they just lose control over what they're doing. Hawk Moth is capable of controlling his villains by controlling their bodies and even speaking through them but never does so because it would be too dark for miraculous standards but it is a power he possesses as seen in Pixelator, Evillustrator, and Felix. Hawk Moth relies more on persuasion and manipulation in the end than full-on control. Once again you forget that the show established ever since its very beginning that once people are free of the akumas, they're confused about what happened to them and they have no recollection of memories that happened to them during akumatization unless they voluntarily accepted an Akuma or voluntarily denied it. Otherwise, they always end up with "Ladybug, Cat Noir, what just happened?"
As someone who grew to dislike Nino, it all comes down to how those flaws were ultimately portrayed. Now, if he had those flaws back in the beginning and he grew out of them as the show would go on, or they would just die down, there wouldn't be a problem. The problem is that Nino in the first seasons of the show is at his peak and ever since season 4, whenever we do focus more on him, he becomes a cringefest constantly showing us his worst. While it is true that it's the bad writing that is to blame for this, it doesn't change that what happened to Nino is still canon and didn't essentially go away. The problem with him revealing Alya's identity doesn't really come down to how Nino didn't reveal such a thing incorrectly (though in season 5 he certainly does in the cafeteria of all places) but that he did so without his girlfriend's consent or consideration. One thing is to reveal YOUR true identity, and the other is to doxx someone. Yes, Adrien is friends with both Nino and Alya, yes he's trustworthy, and yes their identities are compromised to the big bad, but Alya is still not given a choice to confess to Adrien her own identity in her own right. Nino was in no place to do this for her. The reason he revealed his identity was not exactly "giving more context to the situation" but more so being a bit petty and spiteful and having the last word, because for what it's worth, Adrien was still winning this argument and even Nino knows that perhaps he's right, but he's still hurt and is still giving in to his insecurities so tries to find one more reason to justify it. He even then proceeds to talk shit about CN, even though Nino and CN also were supposedly good buddies. For Nino to both reveal the secret of his loved one without their consent and talk shit about his close bud over misunderstanding kind of shows that in fact, he's not emotionally intelligent or mature and certainly just not trustworthy. And this also hurts because originally, as you pointed out, he absolutely was emotionally intelligent and supportive. He may have been a bad liar, but he at least TRIED to keep things secret and understood why they are as such, but as the show went on, Nino just lost this attribute of his, which is also why people are even more pissed at him because it straight-up feels like betrayal. We were all rooting for Nino and he just let us down. The hate doesn't necessarily come from him being unlikable, but from him being disappointing. Nino is as assassinated as a character as other characters that went through season 5. And it just continued to happen: he threw a basketball at his best friend who was clearly upset and didn't bother hiding his sad friend and cheered when Adrien fell to the ground (and look, I understand, it's supposed to be a joke and they didn't animate a proper dodgeball and used basketball for some reason which is a very bad idea; this joke though is lowkey "kick the dog" moment however and it adds to the frustration); then there's infamous "he gets dumb by risk" by not seeing or thinking far ahead that Adrien's departure is the worst thing that can happen to him and then compromising Rena Furtive which ended up in fox miraculous being also lost (and sparing any jewelry would be a bliss); and then there are his actions related to the Resistance, which was one big of a joke that hardly did anything useful to the overall story. While the idea was actually nice, it was executed terribly and it made Nino indeed act more like a typical teenager, which sadly doesn't end up as a plus because too little too late, he should've acted like this in the beginning so we as the audience could later on see him grow and get to love him more. Seeing characters regress or even seeing their character development in reverse will always end up in people just hating them because if a good character starts to become trash, people will feel betrayed forever investing in them and their experience would be soured. There's also a scene in which he tries to play guitar as Luka's replacement which went badly and while this in itself is not an issue, the issue is that Nino only kept accumulating bad stuff and didn't do anything to truly redeem himself for it, so now any inconvenience regarding him just adds fuel to the hate. TL;DR: The problem with Nino comes down to him regressing from the positive character he was at the beginning of the story and showcasing more of his bad traits that are never treated as a serious issue and it leaves the audience betrayed by such misbehavior and people would start to hate him. Nino was always flawed, but those flaws never got in the way as much as they did lately and he just didn't develop in a positive direction with any potential his character had, feeling like it was wasted. Carapace was a nice hero but ultimately he ended up being as important as Pigella.
Nino is the best friend Adrien ever had. He is mature enough to understand Adrien’s complicated relationship with his father and he is always there to cheer him up.
I feel like with a lot of these characters, the writers went in with a couple of bullet points about their personality (Alya is supportive and is basically a journalist, Nino is a good friend and bad with secrets, Mylène is timid and easily-frightened, etc) and any other moments of character growth or intelligence is purely due to the whims of the plot, because at this point I don’t trust the writers to have done any of this on purpose, they just followed a line and went with whatever the plot needed the characters to be
I'm surprised that people don't like Nino - I really like that even though he is a good friend for Adrian and boyfriend for Alya he is just a regular person who make mistakes like all people do - Carapace is also my favorite of the OG 5 heroes. Mostly due to green being my favorite color.
Season 4 and 5 did him dirty and people felt betrayed by his character assassination. It's really not Nino being the issue but the writing not letting him become better but instead making him worse, which wasn't the intention but ended up being as such.
You forget to cover how much he disrespected Adrien and Kagami relationship when they were dating. One of the main plots in the New York special was of him and Alya trying to get Adrien to cheat on Kagami with Marinette in New York. Yes. Adrien and Kagami were still a thing back then.
Every day I rage that Nino didn't get the Cat Miraculous and Zoe who Adrien barely has an interaction with does. Also Adrien should have told Nino he's Cat Noir, he told Adrien he's Carapace and Adrien should have told him he's Cat Noir. Felix, his cousin and maybe Kagami should also know, they know Marinettes and not Cat Noirs, seriously why is Cat Noirs identity such a mystery while more characters know Marinettes?
Yeah I totally agree with you. It’s like Marinette and Alya are best friends and Alya knows that Marinette is Ladybug and Marinette entrusted Alya with the Ladybug miraculous in that one s4 episode when Marinette leaves Paris. Then, in s5 in that one episode where Marinette and Adrien don’t wanna be Ladybug and Cat Noir anymore Alya gets the ladybug miraculous and for some reason Zoe gets the cat miraculous. It shoulda been Nino getting the cat miraculous cuz him and Adrien are best friends and woulda made a lot more sense, not some s4 unnecessary Chloe replacement who barely had any interaction with Adrien. And the only reason the writers did this is to make Zoe feel like a somewhat important character since she barely gets any screen time. Plus Alya and Nino are dating and know each other’s identities and could be an amazing duo, unlike Alya and Zoe who probably have never had an interaction before. Wtf Astruc 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Maybe in a way it's a good thing that way I'll allow him to distance himself from ladybug and he can be his own person without Marinette and ladybug bugs influence and if he decides to switch sides I think the writers will maybe make him an anti here vigilanti tiype
To be fair. Zeno Robinson wasn’t his original voice actor. It was Ben Diskin. Zeno Robinson didn’t start doing Nino until the New York special and season 4 and 5. Although Zeno’s voice for Nino is too close to his Hunter voice from the owl house. So it’s rather a bit distracting.
@@DFeligamiAdrizoeSworaDennisFan To you maybe, I can barely hear Hunter from him, which I actually find a bit disappointing as Hunter is my fave and Hunter's impression just isn't present with Nino.
Another good Nino moment in Rogercop is when Andre is demanding he hand over his phone to look at the footage and Nino outright says no to the mayor, even calling him dude I used to find him pretty annoying but he’s grown on me a bit
It's very easy to call Nino a bad friend in S3-5 because we barely even see him acting like a friend. Heck, he barely got screentime. It's a constant Marinette, Alya, and Adrien drama. Nino barely, if not outright never, got time to spend more time with Adrien and have the two to just bond. Adrien never share his secrets. Their entire friendship is just something on paper but not in action.
And then he has his immature moments that just straight-up damage his friendship with Adrien and nuke any potential positive development because of it. Adrien maybe would've entrusted his identity to Nino, if Nino didn't talk shit about him for doing something he certainly never did. It was this quick for Nino to turn his back on him and how can you trust someone like that?
@@kubat4925 the writers would never allow Adrien to tell his identity to anyone, bcs that means he'll get more importance. We've seen how allergic they are to Adrien's development as a character
@@fatherplatypus2316 And this hurts Nino's character too since his premise as a character is Adrien's best friend. If Adrien doesn't get anything, then Nino gets even less.
i think one of the more petty reason I've seen for disliking him is the change of voice that he had after season 3. his voice actor at the time had good reason to want to not voice him any more and despite people saying he was fired or let go, no he wasn't he still is in the show. he just isn't voicing max or Nino any more. because he wanted someone that was more ethnically close to the characters (he is white and the new guy play them now is black.)
Actually, I would discard that reason, because while racism in fandom is a thing, the very person who did replace him is the icon, the myth, the legend, of Zeno Robinson, who has multiple fantastic roles like Hawks from BNHA, Hunter from TOH, Remi from Big City Greens, Goh from Pokemon, Green Poncho from Craig of the Creek, and so on, and people are enamored with his voice acting. Granted, his performance of both Max and Nino is not his strongest, which may add to the problem, because if the very GOAT Zeno himself, can't find himself to give him an iconic performance, you know that something is wrong.
@@kubat4925 The weak voice acting, it is not just a problem with just Zeno. i feel a lot of the voice actors aren't given the best direction in the resent season. like some of those line delivery's are rough. it is probably cause a lot of them where still recording from home this season, though hopefully it will be better next season. On to your first point though, well sure some of the discontent of the voice may stem from racisms. i feel a lot of people that watch this show don't like change. like I've seen this discourse over the new animation over the past few moths and its just insane. i just felt it was petty to only hate on his character just for a change in voice. especially since i feel that his character stay really constantly good this season. Sorry if it sounds like I'm writing an essay i just find it the best way i have to get my point across but often time i end up sounding like a robot lol. 😅
@@bobblue890 With Zeno I'd say it's the most noticeable but good point overall. Not liking change is one thing, but racism will do its thing regardless of what happens. And let me tell you that when Zeno delivers, he delivers and no one complains, but as you pointed out, the voice acting is weak but no one ever blames Zeno for this. I too noticed blatant racism, but sometimes racism is not the biggest offender. And trust me, animation is not the only one suffering.
@@d4red3v1l8 The thing is, Felix has already way more info than Luka. And it's better to have someone who is on Adrien's side and knows him better. Luka adores Marinette and is a shipper, which means,he is less objective. Also, Felix knwos about Adrien when he was a kid and sentimonsters and Kagami. He could be way more reliable ally than Luka.
I don't hate Nino though. Personally, I like him better as the friend toward Adrian, Alya, and Marinette. Never a fan of him and Alya being a couple after the Animan episode because it came out of nowhere, and after Alya said "he's like a brother to me."
I feel many people don’t talk how Adrian wasn’t the only one that S4-S-5 ruined, Nino has done many horrible and honestly stupid action between S4-S5 that gave me no other choice to hate me.
Ok, when it comes to the secret identities, Adrien should already know, let me explain. During miracle queen, Hawky figured out all the identities, that Cat Noir didn’t because they were already transformed, except Kagami and Nino, and the only hero’s that aren’t there are Carapace and Ryuko, Adrien already knows that Kagami is Ryuko so that leaves Nino as Carapace… wait, so Agreste smooth brain called and told me to shut up so, ignore everything I just said
I have a love-hate relationship with Nino, even though I know he is a teenager and he has flaws, it doesn’t feel like he learns his lesson in Seasons 5, but I blame the writing of it and how it doesn’t make sense for his character as a whole for him to not care about Adrien being punished by his dad by making him mad or seeing if Adrien is okay. They destroyed the rest of the characters in Season 5 and that was not cool to me. Keep the rest of them as good and understanding people. I really don’t think we need to make every character bad.
Hot take: I think Nino should give up his miraculous and start the path of becoming a cop. Nino is to detective Naomasa Tsukauchi as Adrien is to All might, just saying.
I love nino and one thing is, is that I want to see that in season 6 or Adrien scared about what his cataclysm can do and he gets pressured by it and Nino starts to talk sbout it too him and Adrien confesses too him that hes cat noir i want to see that and yiu may think he wont be able to keep the secret he was able to keep the secret that he is carapace and Aly secret identity
I wish that alya and Nino broke up in season 4 from alya hiding the secret of ladybug, if they got back together in season 5, then I wouldn’t mind if they go through a good revelation
As a Ghanaian, I can confirm, that is not how you pronounce Anansi. Its pronounced "ah - nan - sih". Like the si in sink. Also, Astruc made a pretty strange choice with Nora's character. After all, in myth, Anansi is a spider who, because he's small and weak, uses underhanded tactics and tricks to get his way. He's an underdog kind of guy. And Astruc decided to turn that character into a boxer? Really? Seems strange to me but OK.
I don't really get the Nino hate, for a teenager he has his moments where he comes out more mature for his age... Same for Alya, the main reason why these two are hated, I think, is the forced plot... Hoping Lila's season 6 lies would actually make sense than having to take away the characters' braincells just to maks it work...
The thing is, his more immature moments started to appear later than earlier. It's usually better for a character to give their worst at first before giving their best, so people can be proud of how far they've come as a person and how much they grew. Instead, they're left feeling betrayed by how supposedly good character suddenly became more trashy on the way. It's betrayal, disappointment, and the sorrow of what is lost that turns into rage directed at the characters like Nino.
This is a lot of justifications - that said, in order to even enjoy the show, one has to do that for literally every single character and episode, soooo... I think you make good points, I think also the fact that Nino is such a good friend to Adrien who is a fan favorite - when Nino fails, is a jerk, and all that, it hits the audience a lot harder. It would be way different if we didn't know he's basically Adrien's only real emotional support. We want him to be perfect for Adrien, I think. But that may be also projection on my part, because I really like Nino, I think he's one of the best characters, so when he gets sidelined a lot to just 'pal' and then comes back only to create drama (like rocketear, etc.) again - it hits harder than if it were someone we already expected selfishness from. Also, random, but while I think 'Carapace' was chosen for silly reasons, the same way a ton of the names are created, just... barely tangential whimsical stuff (Flaremiddible? Pigella? Come on...) From a completely fridge-logic perspective, it's actually kind of genius since it basically amounts to him calling himself 'sheild' or 'protector'. All this being said, I'm a huge TMNT fan, Mikey's my favorite in every iteration of it. Soooo... I may be biased too LOL.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Nino and Adrien had more chemistry than Adrien and Marinette! Honestly, they could've been a good couple, plus some much needed reprezentation for this show, although I highly doubt Astruc can write a gay couple without coming off weird or forced.
Okay, I'm nearly finished... But who else remembers when people used to spam: Nino hears all Nino sees all All hail Nino All over the internet, even in fanfictions. Cause I do. Plus, the theories that Nino would become the next guardian cause he had the turtle miraculous. Good times. Although it's not that good cause he can't keep a secret. It was even shown in Animan, where he blundered a few times (showing that he knew about Marinette's crush on Adrien.) Before being interrupted by Alya. Whew, I guess the reveal would've happened sooner if he WAS a guardian.
Honestly, I don't think I could ever hate Nino. I just generally take the last few seasons out of consideration cause they're honestly sh*t. I haven't really kept up with the show, but I know it's taken a turn for the worse. And I know there's been a lot of forced moments, and a lot of out of character moments. So, I will continue to like Nino, honestly I care more about Nino and Alya's relationship than Marinette and Adrien's at this point.
Nino is an excellent friend to Adrien and everyone else; however, the issue is that he's oblivious to Adrien's distress and cannot keep a secret. It shows a lot in the shows, and it starts in Animan as it is evident that Alya told Nino about Marinette's crush on Adrien and almost let it slip when Nino and Alya become official and confirm it in Puppeter 2 when they tried to leave Marinette and Adrien alone. Then, in Rocketear, Nino tells Adrien about him being Carapace and Alya being Rena Rouge without her consent or thinking clearly, as jealousy and jumping to conclusions lead him to this. Then, in Illusions, Nino tells Marinette about their secret in public at their school, which is dangerous. In Risk, it shows how oblivious Nino is regarding Adrien's emotional distress regarding his privileged life as a model because Adrien is obviously sad about the whole situation. After all, Adrien isn't shy about his problem with his father. Nino knows about it and is an easy tell when it happens, as everyone in the school knows what a shit father Gabriel is. However, when it comes to Adrien's true feelings about the rich and modeling world he lives in, Adrien isn't as open about it, which does lead Nino to believe he knows his best friend well when in reality, he doesn't because Nino assumes that Adrien has it all and that Adrien is stuck with a shitty father and that it.
Nino originally wasn't oblivious to Adrien's distress though. You can see back in the first 3 seasons that Nino is aware of how badly Adrien feels and has it. This stings even more because it essentially is a betrayal of trust the fans had for him.
@@kubat4925I mean.. even in season 4.. there is that one part in Guiltrip where he feels guilty for not being able to help Adrien with his father.. and Adrien's situation clearly upsets him and it makes him feel guilty that he can't do anything to help.. and even Cat Noir became very upset because of that.. because he felt like he let Nino down because he got turned into a Reflekta.. In other words, I feel as if if Adrien were to tell Nino his identity.. Nino would think about what he did to Cat Noir as Rocketear and all the horrible things he said about him to "him" being Adrien and I think that would really affect him in a way that would help him become more mature.. the writers do have a chance to turn this around in the next season by going in this direction.. let's just hope that they don't mess it up.. Adrien and Nino are best friends and to develop on their relationship I feel as if a full circle moment must happen with them and Nino matures and always helps Adrien, to make up for his mistakes in the past.. personally, I think it would really be helpful for both characters and it would bring back the Adrien and Nino dynamic from season 1 to a more personal level and it would really help both characters understand eachother better and grow.. especially Nino, it would help redeem those flaws of his in my opinion..
@@Nathaplays_nat3 except Adrien would not even think of doing that because of what happened. And do you really expect writers to not mess this up? They already messed it up!
@@kubat4925 who knows..? he might decide to do it one day.. he is his best friend after all.. and if Nino was truthful to him.. Adrien may decide to do the same thing, despite what happened.. We still have hope.. Hopefully season 6 does him justice with this storyline..
I’m biased because I just really like Zeno Robinson. I mean, the first time I heard Nino’s new voice, he sounded just as weird as everyone else to me since it was the NYC special and everyone pitched their voices way down for some reason
Something I realized about the finale too is the whole idea that everyone is getting careless and taking risks more and more-- that was Risk's power. So Nino completely glazing over Adrien's obvious distress and not taking Marinette seriously is in fact in character and not his fault-- honestly if Ladybug can be forgiven for not second-guessing Felix (especially knowing he exists and appears to cause trouble on occasion, plus did so very recently in Gabriel Agreste) I think Nino can be forgiven for his bad friending in Risk/Strikeback lol
Not true at all. Nino as Smarty Pants pointed out was emotionally intelligent enough to actually take notice of Adrien's emotional state. Adrien in Risk hardly tries to cover his true feelings, it's very obvious he puts on a fake smile when confronted, but literally frows every other second. His cousin literally points this out that it can be seen on National TV. For characters, especially Nino, to not see it it's just an insult to their actual intelligence (or lack thereof when it comes to the plot). There's also the fact that Nino fails to consider that Adrien's trip would not be a chance to see the world when the whole trip is arranged by Gabriel, who would most likely keep him in his hotel room all day if he can help it and only release him for photoshoots.
Since you mentioned the ladybug and chat noir movie how long does it take for them to make each of those movies because they came out within like 6 months the first one came out sometime in like season 1 or 2 if I'm correct then the second one came out in season 4 those two seasons are not long apart
5:04 The expression is to "hold the fort", not "hold *down* the fort". If I ask you to hold the fort, the metaphor being employed is perfectly clear. You and I are in a fort holding out against the enemies of the fort who are besieging the fort. I have to leave for a minute to get some print toner or take the cat to the vet. While I do that (don't worry about how I'm getting past the besieging army, I have a secret tunnel and fake glasses), I want you to hold the fort so that when I get back, we will still have the fort. A perfectly reasonable metaphor embodying a sound military strategy. If I ask you to hold *down* the fort, what on Earth am I talking about? Hold down the fort because as we know, it's an inflatable hover-fort and without our combined weight, it may float away into the sky? Hold down the fort and when I get back, we can tickle the fort? No. Meaningless.
I like Nino, but i just so diskliked him not in rocketeer cuz i was kinda feeling sad for him.The revial thing was ok, it added drama for Adrian, and let's not forget just like you said hawk moth already knows, and marinette revialed too. And the stalking thing...I think he wanted to talk to her, but after seeing cat noir he decided to stalk/record her. But in the... I think illusion was the tiddel. He LITERALLY wants to akumatize Adrian's dad, just when he changed. So yeah... I hated him in that episode... SO MUCH. But the boyfriend and friend thing is awesome. Also the resistans was good idea, he sacrifice himself to save ladybug in kwamis choice. But the script change i don't think he was selfish... And i think it was for the plot, Adrian wanting to kiss Marinette and all. So yeah i only REALLY hated him in one episode he was so out of character, but otherwise i like him! 😄
There is no reason to care about alya and nino...they are clearly the once who trusts lila.. .but I wanna say...is that they are both the untrusted friends I have ever seen.
Nino is just.... Tolerable for me, is not good nor bad and he have his parts one story... When the story exist. I can tolerate him when he have his little parts, but when they tried to give him more space I can't take him. Yeah, that's my opinion.
@@MidnghtStarr unless your a minor character who Isn't Ms Mendileev then no and this fandom is way too harsh with some of the characters like they unfairly critise characters like Zoè for example they say things like she is unnecesssary and while yes that is true however no complains that about characters like Rose,Juleka,Nathaniel,Alix and the protagonist marinette the fans call a Mary Sue but when do that they directly contridict themselves by pointing out all her mistakes
Chloe most likely doesn't know who the other heroes are, when you get de-akumatized you lose the memory of what you did when akumatized, even if she did remember she wouldn't spread it because then they'd more popular than her
I completely agree. As a matter of fact, I think Adrien’s friendship with Nino is more iconic than Yugi’s friendship with Joey from YuGiOh. Joey was a bully until the dark magic of the millennium puzzle made him Yugi’s friend. Joey is literally under an unbreakable spell that’s masquerading as friendship. Meanwhile, we know the Miraculous have effects outside of hero/villain mode. Gabriel can detect emotions when he’s not Hawkmoth. Natalie could detect amoks when she wasn’t Mayura. L Marinette was much luckier after receiving the Ladybug Miraculous (otherwise how are we to believe that she flawlessly designed a pair of sunglasses for a rock star that he actually likes. And even Gabriel Agreste gave her praise. I mean sure, Marinette is talented, but to have two celebrities praise you? Come on, there’s some luck there. Meanwhile, Adrien, with the Cat Miraculous, the antithesis of the lucky Ladybug Miraculous, probably has bad luck from his miraculous. His dad is suddenly abusive (Adrien says Gabriel used to be nice before Emilie died), his childhood friend (Chloe) is a bully. And yet, in contrast to Joey, Nino instantly became good friends with Adrien in spite of the bad luck the Cat Miraculous could bring. And Nino is a great friend too! Like, it’s iconic really.
I agree. I think people forget that these are TEENAGERS!! That don't have the emotional maturity or cognitive maturity of an adult, yet people charge him to the standards of someone much older than him. I think he's a good character and I actually think her did get a bit of character growth and development. He's just a kid and for a boy his age, he is both competent, reliable, and considerate. Sure he has his idiot moments, but if he didn't, wouldn't he run the risk of being a Mary Sue? He's fine the way he is and with a little more growth (which he has been proven to be open to) he can only get better.
The problem is that his more immature moments happen later than sooner. If we're introduced to Nino being emotionally intelligent and mature at first, then seeing him act immature feels like he just regressed as a person, and that is never nice to watch. Because you were rooting for this champ and he started to act worse than better. His competence just successfully diminishes as the series goes on and he never really faces the consequences of his actions. Alya should've dumped his ass for doxxing her, doesn't matter if she trusts Adrien or isn't a superhero anymore, she should have a say in who gets to know her true identity and it's not Nino's secret to share, and that's one example. And it's really not about him being Gary Stu but about him becoming worse as a person instead of better because his immature moments start to accumulate in seasons 4 and 5 when he already should've actually showcased even more positive development from the first seasons. Season 5 is the end of an era and Nino just didn't get the growth you speak of, which isn't right.
Why Hate yeah in rocketeer he was wrong but he thought cat noir was stealing his girl and in strike back he saved her from getting crushed by a ferris wheel Great character all around
1. His girlfriend would survive in her magical invincible armor 2. Him believing as such is an issue as Nino should know better at this point in the story, 4 seasons and he believes his girlfriend and his hero bud would betray him like this? And if even so it doesn't justify him doxxing his girlfriend.
It took me centuries to realize Nino was voiced by Eddie brock from spectacular spider- man then when the va new rule i first had bad thoughts but dumb me didn't know about it i accepted it because i didn't know then i found out he is voiced by hawks, thrash and alan allbright made it better
Nino never really stood out to me, character-wise. He never seems to be emotionally close to Adrien or understand him, and never realized that Gabriel was ABUSIVE, not overprotective.
Nino starting a resistance group was literally one of the best things he did for S5 (having friends is like having superpowers)
Yeah like, at least he is trying to do better. Literally without the Resistance, Ladybug and Cat Noir would've lost in Deflagration and Representation..
I do think that he deserves to know Adrien's identity also and he would definitely help him.. This time however, he would not tell anyone because Adrien is Cat Noir, one of Paris' biggest heroes and also they all have their miraculouses permanently now. Also, since Adrien already knows that Nino is Carapace, it would make it easier for them to work together..
He’s one of the few that actually earned their miraculous privilege
Hmm wasn't he the one who revealed his identity and alyas to marinette and adrien lol so not really I don't think he was really that worthy for a miraculous
Chloe also told, and she was allowed to be queen bee for some time, and nino trusts them
@@AmandaPrice-f8c again revealing that they were rena and carapace was the stupidest thing they had nino do in a Cafeteria might I add where everyone could have overheard him reveal such a secret with out his girlfriend's consent for it but it's not ninos fault its the writers for caracter assassin some of its loved caracters for no reason other then saying that they're main caracter is a saint and has no flaws lmoa
@@AmandaPrice-f8c but chloe saying some how makes sense cause they made her caracter not that smart but making nino do it in season 5 of all seasons is just bad writing
There's literally an 3-hour podcast (in Spanish, but exists) on why he is probably the worst person for a miraculous
NGL he had such good development , he went from background character to main , and I feel he's very important to season 6
He's actually a deturtagonist
And they definitely Need to do this with more side character like how Zoè got more fleshsed out in The Kwami's Choice she became more than just a nice girl Matinette's friend group who uses a miraculous
@@Owell_Owljust like Alya, Tikki and Plagg.
@@omundodovini3774 yep we have The protagonists Marinette and Adrian, The Deuertagonist which the mentioned above , The Tritagonists Luka and Kagami the Antagonists Gabriel,Lila,Chloè, Tomoe Nathalie(Formerly), Anti heros Chloè(Formerly), Nathalie, Felix and then the Major characters such as Mylenè, Rose, Zoè and more Reoccuring Characters like Nadja then Minor characters like Ms.Medileev
@@Owell_Owl i feel that chloe now is more like a contagonist
I really liked Nino, but I think Rocketear is by far his worst episode. He completely betrayed his girlfriend's privacy by telling Adrien her secret identity behind her back, than nearly MURDERED HIM as Chat Noir. He could've solved his problems by just talking to Alya, but he thought basically spying on her was easier than actually communicating. Then he tells Marinette their identities again IN A PUBLIC CAFETERIA.
Alya and Nino may share secrets, but he sure can't keep them.
a lot of times people take their measures into their own hands in real life in a irrational way driven by emotion when they are cheated on so his reaction to the situation passes to me as kinda reasonable for someone in this cenario and plus at this point in the story i don't think he knew that adrian is cat noir so meh
@zan.see.x9624 Even if he didn't know Adrien is CN. That doesn't change the fact that he almost murdered an innocent guy because of his baseless suspicions.
he was akumatised when he tried to murder chat noir. also chat noir has done far worse, by that i mean he tried to kill at least 2 people (dark cupid and dark owl) fully concious, and intentionally while wearing the miraculous.
It's so backwards it took literally ONE episode for Nino and Alya to set sail. Whereas Marinette and Adrien takes FIVE SEASONS.
Ridiculous. Utterly ridiculous.
Dude, Marinette and Adrien are hardly convincing friends (even in season 5!), they have little chemistry together. And honestly it will all go to hell when the blond finds out the truth of what the dumb girl did in season 5 finale.
I literally rewatched the ep where they get together recently and there's 0 chemistry. Alya didn't even want to go out with him but suddenly changes her mind?? Okay 💀
How is that backwards? That's really common in the romance genre.
@@baoziday5178 Still feel more believable that the whole Adrienette crap.
@@mayotango1317 definitely, especially since I don't ship them either, lol. Marinette is in love with the idea of Adrien and not him as a person
Honestly didn't really care about him one way or another until Rocketear where my opinion took a nosedive. The amount of mental gymnastics it took him to jump to those conclusions were almost impressive. Though I do like Carapace, he looks cool and his transformation sequence is fun
To be fair he DOES have strong parallels with marinette so it's actuallyvreally in line if you notice thise parallels between him and mari while alya and adrien have parallels as well. So uimbjumping to conclusions due to jumping to conclusions would make sense then.
I have to always think about the fact that any time Astruc seems to hear a character is liked more than Marinette, he has to take them out to the back and shoot them to prove Marinette is the best. This is the best way I can explain why every character seems to have episodes where they're acting either OOC or their flaws are magnified unreasonably.
Miraculous is one of the very, very rare fandoms where the source material is probably handled better by the fans than the official writers. Not ALL the fans, but the show half the time feels like one of those ship fics where people like two characters together who already have canon love interests and instead of just having them drift apart, turn the canon love interests into the worst people ever.
Most rational Miraculous hater
A cute moment with Nino is in zombiezou when he refuses to leave Alya when she gets touched by the kissing zombies.
No you're right, most characters have their previously shown personalities bulldozed over by the plot and Nino was one of them. As the show goes on they keep throwing more contradictory information at us that makes characters we like suddenly look ignorant at best and maliciously stupid at worst.
While we’re on the subject of characters smarty pants actually like, can we maybe get a video about adriens bodyguard?
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Nino is honestly such an underrated character he’s such a loyal chill dude. I don’t think he has really ever had a bad episode (apart from the obvious rocketear). I hope we get episodes where he’s the main focus in season 6
I’ve been currently on my semesterly miraculous binge, not the show, just your miraculous videos
me too
I love Nino but he got shafted, but idk I haven’t watched since season 4. I feel like Nino should have found out Adrian’s identity
Just like Kim, Nino was flawed, but likable, until the latest seasons ruined everyone.
Exageragting much?
I had to pause the video when he said arrogant and stupid is where he draws the line......
He's based on sun wukong. Literally one of the most popular characters in fiction who practically every anime main character is based on, the trait he's missing is being clever. Sun is a idiot compared to the rest of the group but has a high intuition and likes Play pranks. These two together allow him to win even when outmatched and to abuse the power system.
Kim's missing manipulation, intuition and pranks. This would have made him interesting and in the first few episodes he actually has all of said traits. Could've used it to push the plot forward and have him be included in marionettes ... shenanigans..... Yeah let's be honest, it's stalking. However that would be in Character for sun.
We have:
•Kitsune/Alya(In character to help a friend and have loose morals/ help Marinette)
•Monkey King/Kim(would have loose morals and be in it for the shenanigans)
•Bak... something neko/Chat(Abused cat that just wants to do whatever it wants, get in its way and you meet destruction.... They gave chat Kim's personality instead of this. Recall he was originally meant to be Felix.)
@Owell_Owl They have a good point. Both kim and nino were quite chill in the first 3 seasons, but in seasons 4&5 they suddenly become insensitive jerks out of nowhere (also kim stopped being a jerk around season 2)
@@almessasorrow4950 I really like how you present the characters kore than how the show presents them.
@@usernotfound_____yet calling nino a jerk a bit of an exagerration I'd rather say overworrying much
I agree with a lot of this.
But the thing that bugged me in Rocketear was not him revealing the secret identities. I understood why.
However, I am surprised the show acted like he didn’t nearly murder someone. I wanted to see a PTSD storyline or something where he wakes up from having nightmares and the only person he feels like he can talk to is Alya.
Imagine if he finds out Cat Noir is Adrien and he does not know if he can ever make it up to him. Adrien gives him grace, of course, but Nino feels so guilty.
But that well developed arc is outside the bounds of Astruc when it comes to this show.
Akumatized people attempt to murder somebody all the time.
@@kubat4925 which begs the question of why more characters don’t feel guilty about it.
But what felt different about this one was there was more anger and almost hate behind it. Car noir did choose to make himself more vulnerable because he dis not want to fight his best friend, but Nino was this close to committing murder which felt unlike him.
Maybe because the two rivals at play were friends so I took that to heart. But considering how empathetic Nino is, I am surprised he didn’t feel more distraught over it. It needed more than “i hope we’re good now dude”, if that makes any sense.
Nathaniel was really close to murdering Chloe too and I think that bugged me too.
@@gabrielleduplessis7388 Because they know they're not exactly in control of their actions.
They are under the influence of black magic so to speak. They're not themselves. Hawk Moth specifically takes advantage of them and lets them be guided by their intrusive thoughts. They don't even keep the memories of being akumatized. They're not aware of what they were doing while being villains.
Now, Nino did remember what he did to Cat Noir as he fought off the Akuma on his own and got to keep his memories because of it. However, Nino did express back in Puppeteer 2 that he does not consider akumatized villains as people guilty of their actions but victims of manipulation.
@@kubat4925 forgive me for over analyzing here.
I do understand this aspect, but it does seem they have control over what they want their outfits to look at, the type of weapons they use. Haw Moth does not do that. They do.
And when they switch up from trying to get the miraculous to seeking revenge on whomever, that is the person’r choice to do that and where Hawk moth loses some of his control.
That is why I feel the akumatized people choose what form of violence they use or how far they are willing to take it.
It just starts with Hawkmoth allowing them to do once he takes over.
@@gabrielleduplessis7388 The power of butterfly miraculous allows you to be reborn as a super-being with the powers of your choosing with whatever you feel you need to succeed in your mission.
However no, by the long shot, no one who gets akumatized is actually aware of what they are doing. It's like they're getting drugged or drunk, technically speaking it's still them, but they have no recollection of what they could've done when they weren't sober as it happens. Blacking out is a thing. And akumatization to an extent is a magical possession, but said individuals don't completely lose themselves, they just lose control over what they're doing.
Hawk Moth is capable of controlling his villains by controlling their bodies and even speaking through them but never does so because it would be too dark for miraculous standards but it is a power he possesses as seen in Pixelator, Evillustrator, and Felix. Hawk Moth relies more on persuasion and manipulation in the end than full-on control.
Once again you forget that the show established ever since its very beginning that once people are free of the akumas, they're confused about what happened to them and they have no recollection of memories that happened to them during akumatization unless they voluntarily accepted an Akuma or voluntarily denied it. Otherwise, they always end up with "Ladybug, Cat Noir, what just happened?"
Its unfortunate this show takes the route of creating drama for the sake of drama. It ruins a lot of people's characters.
As someone who grew to dislike Nino, it all comes down to how those flaws were ultimately portrayed.
Now, if he had those flaws back in the beginning and he grew out of them as the show would go on, or they would just die down, there wouldn't be a problem. The problem is that Nino in the first seasons of the show is at his peak and ever since season 4, whenever we do focus more on him, he becomes a cringefest constantly showing us his worst. While it is true that it's the bad writing that is to blame for this, it doesn't change that what happened to Nino is still canon and didn't essentially go away.
The problem with him revealing Alya's identity doesn't really come down to how Nino didn't reveal such a thing incorrectly (though in season 5 he certainly does in the cafeteria of all places) but that he did so without his girlfriend's consent or consideration. One thing is to reveal YOUR true identity, and the other is to doxx someone. Yes, Adrien is friends with both Nino and Alya, yes he's trustworthy, and yes their identities are compromised to the big bad, but Alya is still not given a choice to confess to Adrien her own identity in her own right. Nino was in no place to do this for her. The reason he revealed his identity was not exactly "giving more context to the situation" but more so being a bit petty and spiteful and having the last word, because for what it's worth, Adrien was still winning this argument and even Nino knows that perhaps he's right, but he's still hurt and is still giving in to his insecurities so tries to find one more reason to justify it. He even then proceeds to talk shit about CN, even though Nino and CN also were supposedly good buddies. For Nino to both reveal the secret of his loved one without their consent and talk shit about his close bud over misunderstanding kind of shows that in fact, he's not emotionally intelligent or mature and certainly just not trustworthy.
And this also hurts because originally, as you pointed out, he absolutely was emotionally intelligent and supportive. He may have been a bad liar, but he at least TRIED to keep things secret and understood why they are as such, but as the show went on, Nino just lost this attribute of his, which is also why people are even more pissed at him because it straight-up feels like betrayal. We were all rooting for Nino and he just let us down. The hate doesn't necessarily come from him being unlikable, but from him being disappointing. Nino is as assassinated as a character as other characters that went through season 5.
And it just continued to happen: he threw a basketball at his best friend who was clearly upset and didn't bother hiding his sad friend and cheered when Adrien fell to the ground (and look, I understand, it's supposed to be a joke and they didn't animate a proper dodgeball and used basketball for some reason which is a very bad idea; this joke though is lowkey "kick the dog" moment however and it adds to the frustration); then there's infamous "he gets dumb by risk" by not seeing or thinking far ahead that Adrien's departure is the worst thing that can happen to him and then compromising Rena Furtive which ended up in fox miraculous being also lost (and sparing any jewelry would be a bliss); and then there are his actions related to the Resistance, which was one big of a joke that hardly did anything useful to the overall story. While the idea was actually nice, it was executed terribly and it made Nino indeed act more like a typical teenager, which sadly doesn't end up as a plus because too little too late, he should've acted like this in the beginning so we as the audience could later on see him grow and get to love him more. Seeing characters regress or even seeing their character development in reverse will always end up in people just hating them because if a good character starts to become trash, people will feel betrayed forever investing in them and their experience would be soured. There's also a scene in which he tries to play guitar as Luka's replacement which went badly and while this in itself is not an issue, the issue is that Nino only kept accumulating bad stuff and didn't do anything to truly redeem himself for it, so now any inconvenience regarding him just adds fuel to the hate.
TL;DR: The problem with Nino comes down to him regressing from the positive character he was at the beginning of the story and showcasing more of his bad traits that are never treated as a serious issue and it leaves the audience betrayed by such misbehavior and people would start to hate him. Nino was always flawed, but those flaws never got in the way as much as they did lately and he just didn't develop in a positive direction with any potential his character had, feeling like it was wasted. Carapace was a nice hero but ultimately he ended up being as important as Pigella.
Nino is the best friend Adrien ever had. He is mature enough to understand Adrien’s complicated relationship with his father and he is always there to cheer him up.
I would have liked if it was Adrien who would have given him the miraculous instead... The parallels of friendship would have been appreciated
Ugh. Don’t mention that AU.
Euh Adrien is not the best at making choices.
Scarlet lady?But it's so good AU😭@@DFeligamiAdrizoeSworaDennisFan
I used to like Nino. But season 4 the episode Rocketear fucked that up! And he just infuriated me! Same with the episode Illusion!
To be the worst thing about Nino is how little we get of him
Give this poor boy more screentime
I thought people are positive about Nino. Compared to most of the cast, he seemed to me the one of the few who stayed true to his character.
I feel like with a lot of these characters, the writers went in with a couple of bullet points about their personality (Alya is supportive and is basically a journalist, Nino is a good friend and bad with secrets, Mylène is timid and easily-frightened, etc) and any other moments of character growth or intelligence is purely due to the whims of the plot, because at this point I don’t trust the writers to have done any of this on purpose, they just followed a line and went with whatever the plot needed the characters to be
Not me unable to keep my eyes of Chat Noir. Who was this about again? Oh righ - Nino
I'm surprised that people don't like Nino - I really like that even though he is a good friend for Adrian and boyfriend for Alya he is just a regular person who make mistakes like all people do - Carapace is also my favorite of the OG 5 heroes. Mostly due to green being my favorite color.
Season 4 and 5 did him dirty and people felt betrayed by his character assassination. It's really not Nino being the issue but the writing not letting him become better but instead making him worse, which wasn't the intention but ended up being as such.
I love Nino, we all need a Nino in our lives
You forget to cover how much he disrespected Adrien and Kagami relationship when they were dating. One of the main plots in the New York special was of him and Alya trying to get Adrien to cheat on Kagami with Marinette in New York.
Yes. Adrien and Kagami were still a thing back then.
I feel like that’s more of a plot hole than a character flaw
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Every day I rage that Nino didn't get the Cat Miraculous and Zoe who Adrien barely has an interaction with does. Also Adrien should have told Nino he's Cat Noir, he told Adrien he's Carapace and Adrien should have told him he's Cat Noir. Felix, his cousin and maybe Kagami should also know, they know Marinettes and not Cat Noirs, seriously why is Cat Noirs identity such a mystery while more characters know Marinettes?
Yeah I totally agree with you. It’s like Marinette and Alya are best friends and Alya knows that Marinette is Ladybug and Marinette entrusted Alya with the Ladybug miraculous in that one s4 episode when Marinette leaves Paris. Then, in s5 in that one episode where Marinette and Adrien don’t wanna be Ladybug and Cat Noir anymore Alya gets the ladybug miraculous and for some reason Zoe gets the cat miraculous. It shoulda been Nino getting the cat miraculous cuz him and Adrien are best friends and woulda made a lot more sense, not some s4 unnecessary Chloe replacement who barely had any interaction with Adrien. And the only reason the writers did this is to make Zoe feel like a somewhat important character since she barely gets any screen time. Plus Alya and Nino are dating and know each other’s identities and could be an amazing duo, unlike Alya and Zoe who probably have never had an interaction before.
Wtf Astruc 🤦♂️🤦♂️🤦♂️
Maybe in a way it's a good thing that way I'll allow him to distance himself from ladybug and he can be his own person without Marinette and ladybug bugs influence and if he decides to switch sides I think the writers will maybe make him an anti here vigilanti tiype
I think plagg has a type for blondes who like blue hair
@@AshBlueFox16yeah he's like "hey since your rich and being abused your now the holder of the cat miraculous holder"
@@Owell_Owl well the cartoon hotspot did say plagg is drawn to characters who have been abused
12:08 I’m definitely biased, carapace is awesome and his voice actor xeno Robinson is also awesome
To be fair. Zeno Robinson wasn’t his original voice actor. It was Ben Diskin. Zeno Robinson didn’t start doing Nino until the New York special and season 4 and 5. Although Zeno’s voice for Nino is too close to his Hunter voice from the owl house. So it’s rather a bit distracting.
@@DFeligamiAdrizoeSworaDennisFan To you maybe, I can barely hear Hunter from him, which I actually find a bit disappointing as Hunter is my fave and Hunter's impression just isn't present with Nino.
@@DFeligamiAdrizoeSworaDennisFanI like it when two characters have the same voice 🤷♂️
@@StillSomeoneFair enough.
Another good Nino moment in Rogercop is when Andre is demanding he hand over his phone to look at the footage and Nino outright says no to the mayor, even calling him dude
I used to find him pretty annoying but he’s grown on me a bit
Carapace needed more appearances in Season 2.
It had to be said, no one ever talks about my boy.
I will talk about your boy, sue me.
@@kubat4925 HOW DARE YOU SIR!!!!!
@@IsabelleBorck and how dare Nino disappoint me. I was rooting for him and look how they massacred my boy!
It's very easy to call Nino a bad friend in S3-5 because we barely even see him acting like a friend. Heck, he barely got screentime. It's a constant Marinette, Alya, and Adrien drama. Nino barely, if not outright never, got time to spend more time with Adrien and have the two to just bond. Adrien never share his secrets. Their entire friendship is just something on paper but not in action.
And then he has his immature moments that just straight-up damage his friendship with Adrien and nuke any potential positive development because of it. Adrien maybe would've entrusted his identity to Nino, if Nino didn't talk shit about him for doing something he certainly never did. It was this quick for Nino to turn his back on him and how can you trust someone like that?
@@kubat4925 the writers would never allow Adrien to tell his identity to anyone, bcs that means he'll get more importance. We've seen how allergic they are to Adrien's development as a character
@@fatherplatypus2316 And this hurts Nino's character too since his premise as a character is Adrien's best friend. If Adrien doesn't get anything, then Nino gets even less.
i think one of the more petty reason I've seen for disliking him is the change of voice that he had after season 3. his voice actor at the time had good reason to want to not voice him any more and despite people saying he was fired or let go, no he wasn't he still is in the show. he just isn't voicing max or Nino any more. because he wanted someone that was more ethnically close to the characters (he is white and the new guy play them now is black.)
Actually, I would discard that reason, because while racism in fandom is a thing, the very person who did replace him is the icon, the myth, the legend, of Zeno Robinson, who has multiple fantastic roles like Hawks from BNHA, Hunter from TOH, Remi from Big City Greens, Goh from Pokemon, Green Poncho from Craig of the Creek, and so on, and people are enamored with his voice acting. Granted, his performance of both Max and Nino is not his strongest, which may add to the problem, because if the very GOAT Zeno himself, can't find himself to give him an iconic performance, you know that something is wrong.
@@kubat4925 The weak voice acting, it is not just a problem with just Zeno. i feel a lot of the voice actors aren't given the best direction in the resent season. like some of those line delivery's are rough. it is probably cause a lot of them where still recording from home this season, though hopefully it will be better next season.
On to your first point though, well sure some of the discontent of the voice may stem from racisms. i feel a lot of people that watch this show don't like change. like I've seen this discourse over the new animation over the past few moths and its just insane. i just felt it was petty to only hate on his character just for a change in voice. especially since i feel that his character stay really constantly good this season.
Sorry if it sounds like I'm writing an essay i just find it the best way i have to get my point across but often time i end up sounding like a robot lol. 😅
@@bobblue890 With Zeno I'd say it's the most noticeable but good point overall.
Not liking change is one thing, but racism will do its thing regardless of what happens. And let me tell you that when Zeno delivers, he delivers and no one complains, but as you pointed out, the voice acting is weak but no one ever blames Zeno for this.
I too noticed blatant racism, but sometimes racism is not the biggest offender. And trust me, animation is not the only one suffering.
I hope Adrien tells Nino about him being Cat Noir in season 5. Adrien deserves someone to talk about it to.
It will probably by Luka who knows already or Felix. But Nino can't keep a secret at all.
@@damesayo4656 I doubt it’ll be Felix, I hope it’s Luka as well tho
@@d4red3v1l8 The thing is, Felix has already way more info than Luka. And it's better to have someone who is on Adrien's side and knows him better. Luka adores Marinette and is a shipper, which means,he is less objective. Also, Felix knwos about Adrien when he was a kid and sentimonsters and Kagami. He could be way more reliable ally than Luka.
Nino was the MVP of Season 5.
Honestly he's fine but Rocketear and Risk does not do him any favours.
I like that dude.
I don't hate Nino though. Personally, I like him better as the friend toward Adrian, Alya, and Marinette. Never a fan of him and Alya being a couple after the Animan episode because it came out of nowhere, and after Alya said "he's like a brother to me."
I feel many people don’t talk how Adrian wasn’t the only one that S4-S-5 ruined, Nino has done many horrible and honestly stupid action between S4-S5 that gave me no other choice to hate me.
I never watched the entirety of Miraculous, but I can say for sure Nino is a great friend and a great hero. Flawed? Yes. But great never the less!
I hope Adrien/Cat Noir and Nino/Carapace will make the great best friend team up and adrien telling nino his secret identity in season 6
Personaly I find max the most annoying , him using “the probability of yadayada is 99%”
Like why? No nerd talks like that
Fr, it's okay for a character to be smart but Miraculous made him a walking stereotype
@@baoziday5178 it dosent even make him sound smart, it makes him sound like a dweeb
@@baoziday5178Max is ok . Him using probability is just a running gag . He isn't very stereotypical
He’s probably one of my favourites
Ok, when it comes to the secret identities, Adrien should already know, let me explain.
During miracle queen, Hawky figured out all the identities, that Cat Noir didn’t because they were already transformed, except Kagami and Nino, and the only hero’s that aren’t there are Carapace and Ryuko, Adrien already knows that Kagami is Ryuko so that leaves Nino as Carapace… wait, so Agreste smooth brain called and told me to shut up so, ignore everything I just said
I have a love-hate relationship with Nino, even though I know he is a teenager and he has flaws, it doesn’t feel like he learns his lesson in Seasons 5, but I blame the writing of it and how it doesn’t make sense for his character as a whole for him to not care about Adrien being punished by his dad by making him mad or seeing if Adrien is okay.
They destroyed the rest of the characters in Season 5 and that was not cool to me. Keep the rest of them as good and understanding people. I really don’t think we need to make every character bad.
"Hes dumb and arrogant" you yust descriped 99% of the characters
Anyone else miss ben diskin as nino don't get me wrong zino robinson is awesome but i kinda wish ben stayed as nino all the way through the series
This video is so random and I love it!
i love detective nino lol
Hot take: I think Nino should give up his miraculous and start the path of becoming a cop. Nino is to detective Naomasa Tsukauchi as Adrien is to All might, just saying.
i didnt even know his full name is lahiffe
I love nino and one thing is, is that I want to see that in season 6 or Adrien scared about what his cataclysm can do and he gets pressured by it and Nino starts to talk sbout it too him and Adrien confesses too him that hes cat noir i want to see that and yiu may think he wont be able to keep the secret he was able to keep the secret that he is carapace and Aly secret identity
I wish that alya and Nino broke up in season 4 from alya hiding the secret of ladybug, if they got back together in season 5, then I wouldn’t mind if they go through a good revelation
I feel like Astruc is going to ruin the guy.....
0:10 He’s cool when he’s King Monkey, but that’s pretty much it. :/
As a Ghanaian, I can confirm, that is not how you pronounce Anansi. Its pronounced "ah - nan - sih". Like the si in sink. Also, Astruc made a pretty strange choice with Nora's character. After all, in myth, Anansi is a spider who, because he's small and weak, uses underhanded tactics and tricks to get his way. He's an underdog kind of guy. And Astruc decided to turn that character into a boxer? Really? Seems strange to me but OK.
I think Nora being the opposite of Anansi is meant to be ironic.
@@EnemyOfLactose1758 never thought of that, but it would make sense.
I don't really get the Nino hate, for a teenager he has his moments where he comes out more mature for his age... Same for Alya, the main reason why these two are hated, I think, is the forced plot... Hoping Lila's season 6 lies would actually make sense than having to take away the characters' braincells just to maks it work...
The thing is, his more immature moments started to appear later than earlier. It's usually better for a character to give their worst at first before giving their best, so people can be proud of how far they've come as a person and how much they grew. Instead, they're left feeling betrayed by how supposedly good character suddenly became more trashy on the way. It's betrayal, disappointment, and the sorrow of what is lost that turns into rage directed at the characters like Nino.
This is a lot of justifications - that said, in order to even enjoy the show, one has to do that for literally every single character and episode, soooo... I think you make good points, I think also the fact that Nino is such a good friend to Adrien who is a fan favorite - when Nino fails, is a jerk, and all that, it hits the audience a lot harder. It would be way different if we didn't know he's basically Adrien's only real emotional support. We want him to be perfect for Adrien, I think.
But that may be also projection on my part, because I really like Nino, I think he's one of the best characters, so when he gets sidelined a lot to just 'pal' and then comes back only to create drama (like rocketear, etc.) again - it hits harder than if it were someone we already expected selfishness from.
Also, random, but while I think 'Carapace' was chosen for silly reasons, the same way a ton of the names are created, just... barely tangential whimsical stuff (Flaremiddible? Pigella? Come on...) From a completely fridge-logic perspective, it's actually kind of genius since it basically amounts to him calling himself 'sheild' or 'protector'.
All this being said, I'm a huge TMNT fan, Mikey's my favorite in every iteration of it. Soooo... I may be biased too LOL.
I've said it before and I'll say it again: Nino and Adrien had more chemistry than Adrien and Marinette! Honestly, they could've been a good couple, plus some much needed reprezentation for this show, although I highly doubt Astruc can write a gay couple without coming off weird or forced.
Okay, I'm nearly finished...
But who else remembers when people used to spam:
Nino hears all
Nino sees all
All hail Nino
All over the internet, even in fanfictions. Cause I do.
Plus, the theories that Nino would become the next guardian cause he had the turtle miraculous. Good times.
Although it's not that good cause he can't keep a secret. It was even shown in Animan, where he blundered a few times (showing that he knew about Marinette's crush on Adrien.) Before being interrupted by Alya.
Whew, I guess the reveal would've happened sooner if he WAS a guardian.
Honestly, I don't think I could ever hate Nino. I just generally take the last few seasons out of consideration cause they're honestly sh*t. I haven't really kept up with the show, but I know it's taken a turn for the worse. And I know there's been a lot of forced moments, and a lot of out of character moments. So, I will continue to like Nino, honestly I care more about Nino and Alya's relationship than Marinette and Adrien's at this point.
we need a positive character review of gorilla i don't care if it's the only positive character review we need a video dedicated to the chad gorilla
Nino is an excellent friend to Adrien and everyone else; however, the issue is that he's oblivious to Adrien's distress and cannot keep a secret. It shows a lot in the shows, and it starts in Animan as it is evident that Alya told Nino about Marinette's crush on Adrien and almost let it slip when Nino and Alya become official and confirm it in Puppeter 2 when they tried to leave Marinette and Adrien alone. Then, in Rocketear, Nino tells Adrien about him being Carapace and Alya being Rena Rouge without her consent or thinking clearly, as jealousy and jumping to conclusions lead him to this. Then, in Illusions, Nino tells Marinette about their secret in public at their school, which is dangerous. In Risk, it shows how oblivious Nino is regarding Adrien's emotional distress regarding his privileged life as a model because Adrien is obviously sad about the whole situation. After all, Adrien isn't shy about his problem with his father. Nino knows about it and is an easy tell when it happens, as everyone in the school knows what a shit father Gabriel is. However, when it comes to Adrien's true feelings about the rich and modeling world he lives in, Adrien isn't as open about it, which does lead Nino to believe he knows his best friend well when in reality, he doesn't because Nino assumes that Adrien has it all and that Adrien is stuck with a shitty father and that it.
Nino originally wasn't oblivious to Adrien's distress though. You can see back in the first 3 seasons that Nino is aware of how badly Adrien feels and has it. This stings even more because it essentially is a betrayal of trust the fans had for him.
@@kubat4925I mean.. even in season 4.. there is that one part in Guiltrip where he feels guilty for not being able to help Adrien with his father.. and Adrien's situation clearly upsets him and it makes him feel guilty that he can't do anything to help.. and even Cat Noir became very upset because of that.. because he felt like he let Nino down because he got turned into a Reflekta..
In other words, I feel as if if Adrien were to tell Nino his identity.. Nino would think about what he did to Cat Noir as Rocketear and all the horrible things he said about him to "him" being Adrien and I think that would really affect him in a way that would help him become more mature.. the writers do have a chance to turn this around in the next season by going in this direction.. let's just hope that they don't mess it up.. Adrien and Nino are best friends and to develop on their relationship I feel as if a full circle moment must happen with them and Nino matures and always helps Adrien, to make up for his mistakes in the past.. personally, I think it would really be helpful for both characters and it would bring back the Adrien and Nino dynamic from season 1 to a more personal level and it would really help both characters understand eachother better and grow.. especially Nino, it would help redeem those flaws of his in my opinion..
@@Nathaplays_nat3 except Adrien would not even think of doing that because of what happened. And do you really expect writers to not mess this up? They already messed it up!
@@kubat4925 who knows..? he might decide to do it one day.. he is his best friend after all.. and if Nino was truthful to him.. Adrien may decide to do the same thing, despite what happened..
We still have hope.. Hopefully season 6 does him justice with this storyline..
Why didn't they make a doll of Carapace?
Honestly, I feels like Ladybug, Cat Noir, Rena Rouge, and Queen Bee are the only ones favored by the merchandise. Everyone else gets mostly ignored
i dont hate or love nino. he is very neutral to me
my issue is I can't get used to the voice change.
I’m biased because I just really like Zeno Robinson. I mean, the first time I heard Nino’s new voice, he sounded just as weird as everyone else to me since it was the NYC special and everyone pitched their voices way down for some reason
Something I realized about the finale too is the whole idea that everyone is getting careless and taking risks more and more-- that was Risk's power. So Nino completely glazing over Adrien's obvious distress and not taking Marinette seriously is in fact in character and not his fault-- honestly if Ladybug can be forgiven for not second-guessing Felix (especially knowing he exists and appears to cause trouble on occasion, plus did so very recently in Gabriel Agreste) I think Nino can be forgiven for his bad friending in Risk/Strikeback lol
I don't think so, on the contrary it should have made him risk talking to his dad about not doing it
No. I’m sorry. But Nino became such a bad friend towards Adrien in seasons 4 and 5!
Not true at all. Nino as Smarty Pants pointed out was emotionally intelligent enough to actually take notice of Adrien's emotional state. Adrien in Risk hardly tries to cover his true feelings, it's very obvious he puts on a fake smile when confronted, but literally frows every other second. His cousin literally points this out that it can be seen on National TV. For characters, especially Nino, to not see it it's just an insult to their actual intelligence (or lack thereof when it comes to the plot). There's also the fact that Nino fails to consider that Adrien's trip would not be a chance to see the world when the whole trip is arranged by Gabriel, who would most likely keep him in his hotel room all day if he can help it and only release him for photoshoots.
I don't hate him, I just think he's kinda boring
Since you mentioned the ladybug and chat noir movie how long does it take for them to make each of those movies because they came out within like 6 months the first one came out sometime in like season 1 or 2 if I'm correct then the second one came out in season 4 those two seasons are not long apart
Please do my favourite character Alex next
I LIKE KIM AND NINO!
5:04 The expression is to "hold the fort", not "hold *down* the fort". If I ask you to hold the fort, the metaphor being employed is perfectly clear. You and I are in a fort holding out against the enemies of the fort who are besieging the fort. I have to leave for a minute to get some print toner or take the cat to the vet. While I do that (don't worry about how I'm getting past the besieging army, I have a secret tunnel and fake glasses), I want you to hold the fort so that when I get back, we will still have the fort. A perfectly reasonable metaphor embodying a sound military strategy. If I ask you to hold *down* the fort, what on Earth am I talking about? Hold down the fort because as we know, it's an inflatable hover-fort and without our combined weight, it may float away into the sky? Hold down the fort and when I get back, we can tickle the fort? No. Meaningless.
I like Nino, but i just so diskliked him not in rocketeer cuz i was kinda feeling sad for him.The revial thing was ok, it added drama for Adrian, and let's not forget just like you said hawk moth already knows, and marinette revialed too. And the stalking thing...I think he wanted to talk to her, but after seeing cat noir he decided to stalk/record her. But in the... I think illusion was the tiddel. He LITERALLY wants to akumatize Adrian's dad, just when he changed. So yeah... I hated him in that episode... SO MUCH. But the boyfriend and friend thing is awesome. Also the resistans was good idea, he sacrifice himself to save ladybug in kwamis choice. But the script change i don't think he was selfish... And i think it was for the plot, Adrian wanting to kiss Marinette and all. So yeah i only REALLY hated him in one episode he was so out of character, but otherwise i like him! 😄
Hopefully he's a normal person selfish AND selfless
I don't hate him I think he's honestly a good character in my opinion
There is no reason to care about alya and nino...they are clearly the once who trusts lila.. .but I wanna say...is that they are both the untrusted friends I have ever seen.
Nino is just.... Tolerable for me, is not good nor bad and he have his parts one story... When the story exist.
I can tolerate him when he have his little parts, but when they tried to give him more space I can't take him.
Yeah, that's my opinion.
5:00 Why is adrien running like that 😭
Apparently, according to some sources, Adrian will be really into running as a sport in season 6, so be prepared for more weird running ig
@@StillSomeone 😂😂
I like Kim because we’re both are stupid
And where was Nino when Adrian was suffering from depression because Ladybug left him aside and marginalized him?
can there be a single character which isn't hated 💀
@@MidnghtStarr unless your a minor character who Isn't Ms Mendileev then no and this fandom is way too harsh with some of the characters like they unfairly critise characters like Zoè for example they say things like she is unnecesssary and while yes that is true however no complains that about characters like Rose,Juleka,Nathaniel,Alix and the protagonist marinette the fans call a Mary Sue but when do that they directly contridict themselves by pointing out all her mistakes
@@Owell_OwlIt’s called an opinion. Jack a**!
Nino has a last name?!
Isn't it lahiffe?
@@SweetSentiLight101
I have been watching this show since begin season 2, and I've never heard nino's last name
@@Smh-academy oh..ok!
Is it bad if I say that these side characters are more interesting than Marinette 😂?
Chloe most likely doesn't know who the other heroes are, when you get de-akumatized you lose the memory of what you did when akumatized, even if she did remember she wouldn't spread it because then they'd more popular than her
Screw whoever is hating on Nino he’s like the best character
I completely agree. As a matter of fact, I think Adrien’s friendship with Nino is more iconic than Yugi’s friendship with Joey from YuGiOh. Joey was a bully until the dark magic of the millennium puzzle made him Yugi’s friend. Joey is literally under an unbreakable spell that’s masquerading as friendship. Meanwhile, we know the Miraculous have effects outside of hero/villain mode. Gabriel can detect emotions when he’s not Hawkmoth. Natalie could detect amoks when she wasn’t Mayura. L Marinette was much luckier after receiving the Ladybug Miraculous (otherwise how are we to believe that she flawlessly designed a pair of sunglasses for a rock star that he actually likes. And even Gabriel Agreste gave her praise. I mean sure, Marinette is talented, but to have two celebrities praise you? Come on, there’s some luck there. Meanwhile, Adrien, with the Cat Miraculous, the antithesis of the lucky Ladybug Miraculous, probably has bad luck from his miraculous. His dad is suddenly abusive (Adrien says Gabriel used to be nice before Emilie died), his childhood friend (Chloe) is a bully. And yet, in contrast to Joey, Nino instantly became good friends with Adrien in spite of the bad luck the Cat Miraculous could bring. And Nino is a great friend too! Like, it’s iconic really.
I agree. I think people forget that these are TEENAGERS!! That don't have the emotional maturity or cognitive maturity of an adult, yet people charge him to the standards of someone much older than him. I think he's a good character and I actually think her did get a bit of character growth and development. He's just a kid and for a boy his age, he is both competent, reliable, and considerate. Sure he has his idiot moments, but if he didn't, wouldn't he run the risk of being a Mary Sue? He's fine the way he is and with a little more growth (which he has been proven to be open to) he can only get better.
The problem is that his more immature moments happen later than sooner. If we're introduced to Nino being emotionally intelligent and mature at first, then seeing him act immature feels like he just regressed as a person, and that is never nice to watch. Because you were rooting for this champ and he started to act worse than better. His competence just successfully diminishes as the series goes on and he never really faces the consequences of his actions. Alya should've dumped his ass for doxxing her, doesn't matter if she trusts Adrien or isn't a superhero anymore, she should have a say in who gets to know her true identity and it's not Nino's secret to share, and that's one example. And it's really not about him being Gary Stu but about him becoming worse as a person instead of better because his immature moments start to accumulate in seasons 4 and 5 when he already should've actually showcased even more positive development from the first seasons. Season 5 is the end of an era and Nino just didn't get the growth you speak of, which isn't right.
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Hate yeah in rocketeer he was wrong but he thought cat noir was stealing his girl and in strike back he saved her from getting crushed by a ferris wheel Great character all around
1. His girlfriend would survive in her magical invincible armor
2. Him believing as such is an issue as Nino should know better at this point in the story, 4 seasons and he believes his girlfriend and his hero bud would betray him like this? And if even so it doesn't justify him doxxing his girlfriend.
It took me centuries to realize Nino was voiced by Eddie brock from spectacular spider- man then when the va new rule i first had bad thoughts but dumb me didn't know about it i accepted it because i didn't know then i found out he is voiced by hawks, thrash and alan allbright made it better
Nino never really stood out to me, character-wise. He never seems to be emotionally close to Adrien or understand him, and never realized that Gabriel was ABUSIVE, not overprotective.
I mean everybody in season 5 in the class knows than Gabriel is abusive with Adrien . They just realised this when Gabriel was against Adriennette