Who Was the More IMPORTANT Sidekick to their SUPERSTAR?
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Ticket made valid points in this discussion
I never heard about Drexler wanting them to draft MJ but I know one of Portland's execs asked Bobby Knight who they should pick & Knight said Jordan. The exec said "but we need a center" to which Knight replied "then play him at center."
If LeBron James doesn’t completely crumble in the 2011 finals Dwyane Wade would be looked at in higher regard. There’s no way Dirk is historically better. That series completely changed nba history.
Dirk changed the game. He was a better PF than Wade was a SG, when the PF position was deep, whereas the SG position was weak.
@@remnant8898 wide is the third best 2 gaurd ever. Dirk might not be top 5 power forward ever
@@zachspath494 #1 the 2 guard position is the weakest historically.
#2 he's not the third best. He's not better than Jerry West.
#3: Even if you don't consider Dirk top 5 PF, he still clears Wade on the all time list. He's done much more with less, and changed the game to a degree.
@@remnant8898 I'm a dallas fan I love dirk but he does not just clear wade like your saying both are in that top 40 to 30 range of player dirk was a horrible defender for most of his career while wade was a great defender and both averaged around the same amount of points per game in thier primes while wade was a way better passer. Dirk is great but wade is probably a little higher on all time lists because he won more and was all around a better player but both are around the same place on all time lists
@@zachspath494 Dirk may have been a bad defender, but the reality is, is that he took his teams further with less help and played in a superior conference for his entire career. Sure, Wade won a chip, but he had Shaq that year who dominated when he came back from injury up until the Finals. That 2011 chip clears any chip that Wade won with his super squad, he had more accolades, all NBA's with the PF position being one of the deepest positions during his time, was better in the playoffs, was a better shooter, scorer and rebounder. IF GM's had to build their team and those two players were the one's they had to build it around, most are taking Dirk over Wade.
Wade was a legit superstar…not a sidekick.
@joceja23 yes he was…
Scottie was a superstar when Jordan left he almost took that team to the finals. If bron left wade ain’t going to no championship
@@demetriussmith9234 he didnt “almost take that team to the finals” LOL and no he wasn’t a superstar…
@joceja23 he was good during the playoffs and he was still a superstar…
@joceja23 ur just lying now
Wade had to tell Bron to start being the #1 and Bron even admitted he thought he could take a backseat and it backfired.
So we just going to ignore them saying give Jordan T-Mac like he wasn't drafted until 97 😭
Tmac wasn’t even really a star till 2001 him and MJ are not the same era😂
Now if '01 T-mac was in 97 then I see tickets point of view 🤣🤣
The Tmac argument is flawed.
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The 80's didn't exist with most of these closet jdrs
For the comic book fans IMO Jordan/Pippen was OG Batman who needed a Robin. Pippen became that Robin! DWade was Batman in Batman Beyond, saw potential that needed a bit of wisdom and experience to become the next Batman (Lebron)!
DWade and LeBron was more like Batman and Superman
Pippen and Jordan are World's finest.
This was perfect
@@deetheoriginal3117 I was thinking the 2010/2011 - 2013/2014 Heat years, with Bron and Wade on the same team. In 2011, Wade played way better Lebron in the finals. I found it hard to call him Superman (OP Hero) or Batman (Tactical genius) that year. 2012 Bron started to become the #1 guy with Wade starting to deal with injuries and slowing down athletically. Which I think is closer to Bruce Wayne in "Batman Beyond" training Terry McGinnis.
Dwade more important to Bron, this is ridiculous
This was one of the most sound discussions involving Ticket on the show
That’s a great question but if we’re being honest you can arguably say “ Pippen to Jordan because Jordan never made to the finals without pippin but Lebron made it to the finals without Wade”
Wade was already a championship alpha, Pippen never did anything without MJ. Pippen had chances too, but the dude was not That Guy, Wade was.
Wym they was drafted together they won 6/6 chips you acting like them 2 dudes was on separated teams them team up later
@@teesweeezy263 MJ was drafted in 84', and Pippen was drafted in 87' my man. Pippen took 3 years to develop into a consistent reliable robin for MJ. Wade was already a champion in 2006 as the main dude, what are you missing here? Pippen had his chances in 94, 99, and 2000 to win on his own teams, but choked, especially in Game 7 vs LA in 2000. Blazers teammates were looking for him in the 4th qtr, but dawg was nowhere to be found, except getting crossed up by Afro Kobe lol.
@@QuestionEverything562 what does him being pass his prime go to do it with his priming with Chicago Scottie did all the dirty work he made Jordan job easier so what your tell me is that Scotty is role player he was never a superstar stop making it seem like jordan carried him they both needs each other . When he was in Portland he was like 37 he wasn’t the same old Pip. Superstar just don’t grow on trees u supposed to develop them. That what GSW did and everybody hating
Nigga mj ain’t do nothing without Scottie 😂😂 scottie was third in the mvp race when mj left
@@teesweeezy263 Scottie Pip was never a superstar, one MVP potential year does not make a player a superstar. His numbers basically went up by 2 ppg more without MJ, and Scottie showed he wasn't a true leader without MJ in the 94' playoffs. Then in the 94-95 season, just for full disclosure for pro Pippen/LeCasuals like you, what did Scottie do in the first 65 games without MJ? Go look that season up, before MJ came back to them that season, what was the Bulls' record?
Pat Reilly had a lot to do with it too. You heard what Caron Butler said about the Heat Organization as a whole.
Pat taught him more than Wade.
This is by far the best basketball podcast.
I’m purely convinced all these guys aren’t thinking straight the key word is LEGACY, Jordan is who he is because of the 6-0 in the finals record wtf are we talkin bout 🤦🏽♂️. His finals record wouldn’t be that without Scotty. LO doesn’t know what he’s talking about on this topic.
And Lebron is 4-6 even with all the superteam and help he had
Wade is the better pick as of talent, however scottie is far more versatile, useful and longevity
That has zero to do with this conversation
@@TheIcemanthomas who asked
@@TheIcemanthomas q
Wade was clearly a better player than Pippen but Pippen fitted better with Jordan than Wade fitted with Lebron.
Pippen's skills complemented perfectly Jordan's skills.
Wade's skills didnt complement perfectly Lebron's skills. In many ways Wade's style of play made him look like a shorter guard version of Lebron.
@@user-bw6pt9dy6f basically a longer version of what I said minus the longevity
If it wasn’t for Dwyane Wade Sacrificing his game LeBron wouldn’t have won a chip(yet if any at all), MJ jus needed a capable two way second star sidekick.
@joceja23 Just capable i guess.
So if Dwight and lebron was on the same team they lose y’all so quick to lebron would not win without dwade when yet he won 2 rings without him yet Jordan hasn’t even won a series b4 or after he played with scottie pippin y’all takes be so inconsistent they all needed each other but to say lebron wouldn’t win without dwade it is straight up wrong
@joceja23 I would argue Kawhi was greater than Pippen as a perimeter defender. Scottie never had to guard outside of the 3 pt line, Kawhi did. Scottie could afford to sag off a lot in the 90s, he couldn't getaway with that in the 2010s. Pip didn't lockdown Magic in 1991 either, nobody really locked down Magic. MJ was Magic's primary defender throughout those finals.
@@datjitdj1695 jordanite logic
@joceja23 Why is Pippen a greater perimeter defender than MJ to you?
if only the cavs had a coach to teach lebron that before he got to miami
Yeah. Can you imagine if he had like a COY caliber coach at that time?🤯
MJ was lucky to get Phil in 1990(after he had already been to game 6 of the ECF in 1989), so he could learn how to win from such an EXPERIENCED NBA winning coach like Phil was in the 80's.
Scottie was a role player coming of the bench to start his career and averaged 7.9 points per game his rookie year. Where as wade averaged 16.2 points per game his first year and was a starter. Plus pippen was an all star sidekick compared to dwade who was a superstar who won a chip without lebron.
Chris Paul might've been a guard I would name as the number 2 option thst may've been able to win a ring w/ LeBron, at that specific time. I also might throw in D-Rose.
LeBron has two without Wade. Jordan has none without Pippen. We can get into Wade making LeBron a better leader, (though LeBron had at least led a team to the Finals previously) but if we're purely talking about who needed who to win the most, Jordan needed Pippen more.
That’s facts
2 out of what 17 seasons and one being a bubble ring, the other being a fluke 3 game win streak?
@@Christian-eq6pq I'll take 2-17 over 0-15, lol
@@Christian-eq6pq bro go home virgin lmaoo he got 2 without Wade Lmaoo Wade got 1 without Lebron
So we leaving out the fact that LeBron teamed up with other star players?
Chill is definitely right here 👏🏿
Wade was a better offensively and playmaking
Scottie pippen was a great defender top 15 all time and good score
Pipen has more rings than took defensive greatly guarding best person
Wade helped lebron mentality
Wade was best
Woulda coulda shoulda, Pippen helped Jordan win 6 Wade helped Bron win 2. Their math ain't mathing
Pippen' s whole life was upgraded by Jordan . If Pippen stayed with Seattle no one would even know who he was today .
Lolol bruh said Groming Bron
OMG I WISH I WAS IN THIS CONVO
Wade wasn’t no sidekick 🤡 bron was in 2011
How did wade do the exact opposite of Steph when they both allowed superstars to come to there teams and both took back seats 🤔 and u cant say wade had to do that when they went to the finals and bron just folded 🤦🏾♂️
They pretty much did the same thing. Both Wade and Steph had already won a championship.
It's Scottie. Jordan never made it out the first round until Pippen got there Bron was making deep playoff runs and a final appearance before Wade.
Stop talking bs , pippen was there for a couple years and he was jus ass , MJ carried some trash rosters to the conf finals and second round , and as soon pippen was good enough to be play good Defense and put 15 a game they started winning , stop acting like as soon as pip got there he became that guy, correlation is not causation
And if u really wanna play this game, wade was already a established super star who won a chip before bron got to Miami, Bron legit said Wade taught him how to win , in fact wade sacrificed his game so Lebron could be Lebron , MJ needed guys who were on his same wave length in terms of passion to win and play defense but as far as offense the bulls had no one in the half court apart from pip and MJand tha wasn't the case with the heat
People keep saying this but Pippen coming on the team and Jordan getting out the first round is an incidental. Pippen wasn’t the reason for the Bulls advancing. Pippen was a rookie coming off the bench averaging 10 ppg to Jordan’s 45 ppg that series. We could say LeBron didn’t make the playoffs until he got Larry Hughes, it’s an incidental but not the reason
@@suntansuperman26 people really be acting like those 10 ppg was 100 SMH
@@_wael See the problem is they listen to Nick Wright, Shannon Sharpe, etc who tell half truths to try diminish Jordan to prop up LeBron
JORDAN WON DPOY SCOTTIES ROOKIE SEASON WHEN HE CAME OFF THE BENCH. THEY PUSHED EACH OTHER BUT LETS BE REAL. MICHAEL JORDAN WAS HIM BEFORE SCOTTIE ARRIVED. WHAT JORDAN NEEDED WAS A RELIABLE GUY AND TO BE ABLE TO TRUST HIS LESSER PLAYERS TO MAKE PLAYS. THAT CAME FROM TRUSTING PHIL JACKSON.
Jordan didn’t make it to the finals until scottie averaged 20ppg in the playoffs. Lebron made the finals with his 2nd best player averaging 12ppg.
@@bigboibundy7566in a terrible conference the pistons didn’t even have Ben Wallace
Pippen and Wade were essential to MJ and Wade.
Ticket makes it hard to show yall show bro...😆
Lo missed me with the Magic Johnson point.. Jordan only guarded him in game 1 and Magic torched his ass..so Scottie guarded him the next 4 games
That is magic johnson my nigga that ain't no regular point guard I remember grant hill and penny hardaway giving it to scottie pippen also then jordan had to guard them
Cap
@@triplegezzy3007 what is cap
@@jimmycharlotin7050 the dude danger white saying Scottie guarded magic the next 4 games which was not true
@@triplegezzy3007 this is why coaching is key maybe Phil Jackson took off of magic and allow scottie to guard magic 94 feet so Michael can save his energy on the offensive end but that's no where near what Jason Terry and j.j. barea did to lebron james in the 2011 finals how you let Jason Terry bust your ass in the finals that never happened to jordan
I’m with low on this one.
I’ve looked everywhere and could not find one thing about Clyde saying draft Michael Jordan ticket Be lying just be lying. 😂
Middleton
Scottie pippen is so underrated
Clyde Dexler didn't go to the front office and say draft Jordan it was Clay Thompson dad Mychal Thompson that told them to draft Jordan and they told him that they would fine for him his suggestion
I put those spurs team against any all time great team they will hold their own
Lebron was the sidekick that was Wade's team
Lol. LeBron won 2 MVPs, 2 fmvp and was by far the alpha after year 1
What a dumb comment
@@jsgr5382 naw just facts
@@jsgr5382 LeBron CHOKED 2011 and 2014 NBA finals. Miami is wade team fasho 💯💯💯💯
No disrespect, but who is my man in the bottom left. Smartest guy in this panel and every clip I’ve seen, this man knows ball
LeBron needed Wade leadership and championship experience to succeed in Miami.... Scottie needed Mike mentorship to be the player he became
Scottie needed Mike the same way jordan needed Scottie. Lebron retires with a ring even if he never plays with wade 🤷🏻♂️
@@valo1125 I mean if LeBron wouldn't team with Wade he would have find someone else to team with... cause that's just who he is...MJ had so many chances to leave Bulls when he was going through his struggles but he didn't he stood his ground and created a dynasty...
@@DarrelWashingtonJr9002 yeah the bulls just got mj Scottie and Phil Jackson the Cavs got lebron mo Williams and Mike brown
@@DarrelWashingtonJr9002 Bro they got arguably the best coach of all time and Scottie. Who in the fuck did the Cavs get Lebron? It wasn't until Lebron left that they finally got someone great due to losing so much.
@@valo1125 ok but since then it's been Dwade Cbosh kyrie K love Anthony Davis derrick rose IT Dwight Howard Carmelo Anthony Russell Westbrook Ray Allen and many more...
Scottie Pippen.
Lebron has chips without Wade tho! Lebron also carried teams to deep playoff apperances and finals before and after his time with the Heat. I think the narrative of him learning how to win from Wade is overblown. The most important thing was the front office surronding him with a great squad and Spo is a good coach. Those factors were much more important than learning how to lead
Wade won in 2006 without Lebron
Casual
@galileogalilei6450 I get that. But was the most important thing Lebron learning how to lead from Wade or just have a better #2 and better squad all around him that lead to titles? I would say its having the better teammates, front office, and coach than he ever had his first time in Cleveland!
@deetheoriginal3117 Lebon led teams to the finals, best records in the league and won MVPs before joining the Heat but he didnt know how to lead or win? A real casual just looks at titles being the end all be all. You can be a leader and not win the chip i.e. Chris Paul. Or not a leader at all and still win a chip i.e. Kawhi.
Scottie Pippen did his thing in Portland tho
no he didn't. Dude was the 3rd- 5tth best player on that team all 5 years.
@@remnant8898 You don't watch basketball and you read rosters on the internet.
You don't know about Pippen's role on the teammates and the impact of his defense on that Blazers team.
Mars: *Says nothing and daydreaming about GSW going to another finals*
Ticket: DON’T BRING NO NOTES BOY!!!!
LMFAO!!!
Bron didn’t need wade to teach him to be a leader he needed someone to tell him not to be pass first
He said pippen taught Jordan how to win 🤣 😂 🤣 😂
Low spitting facts LeBron couldn't even carry the heat when dwade started to decline
What the hell Wade started sitting out more and more games every year It took LeBron to be absolutely Dominant for them to win in 12” and 13” he had so many historic performances especially the 45 point game against Boston in 2012 facing elimination down 3-2
Michael Jordan had a HOF COACH Lebron head a 1st or second year coach but no one mentions that
Phil Jackson was a rookie coach when he joined the bulls
Ticket was actually the most correct one in this video
lebron went further without help than jordan did
Scottie is WAAY more !!
LeBron has 2 rings without Wade.
Jordan doesnt have 2 series wins without Pippen
To me it’s pippen… we can say that wade helped lebron become a leader but neither one of them ever said that, that’s just a fan opinion. If that’s true we also have to say that Phil jackson has that much of an impact on mj because he taught my how to win. We also know that lebron won without wade, multiple times. Mj said he wouldn’t have come back from retirement if the bulls traded scottie while mj was gone and the bulls tried to trade scottie for tmac and mj nixed the trade. MJ literally said himself don’t speak his name without saying pippens
Wade literally won in 2006 without Lebron as the first option . Scottie only got to the 2nd round
Scottie got to the western conference finals…
Scottie got to the western conference finals…
@@pjwright3773 hmmm and the Bulls already made the conference finals in 89 before Phil was head coach
@@pjwright3773 we know Lebron didnt win before Wade and afterwards with Kyrie Irving and K Love. Troll
Aye what happened to shaq?
Carmelo LeBron and Bosh is a kill squad y’all buggin
Carmelo is literally what heat needed in Dallas series a floor spacer who can score without any help
Looking back it took Scottie Pippen it took for years to develop into Scottie Pippen if the same thing happen if he was on the supersonics it would’ve took him four or five years to develop
Into Scottie Pippen so they were probably would have still got Shawn Kemp and he probably would’ve still got Gary Payton…
Replace Wade with CP3, how many rings the heat winning?
I say 2
Bro CP3 wasn’t as clutch as Wade, wasn’t a better defender and wasn’t a better scorer. Plus CP3 always folds in the playoffs.
None cause CP3 it just never work out for him he gets hurt at the wrong time I’ll take D-wade Bad knees and all
Cant tell chris paul has played with great players and great teams he such a choke artist i cant even tell u
@@cutamuta any of his teammates better than lebron and bosh
don't tell me Lebron teamed up with just a 2nd option 😅
MJ and Scottie aren't winning any rings if they never played with each other. They were the perfect duo, they complemented each other so well, and I don't think any other players at the time would've gotten as much out of them as they got out of each other. LeBron has at least gotten 2 without Wade, and both times his sidekick was a vastly different player than Wade, which I think people tend to underrate about LeBron.
Smh, but would LeBron ever evolved into a championship alpha without the Wade and Riley's Heat? I sincerely doubt it.
@@QuestionEverything562 Neither LeBron nor MJ were winning championships until they got the right supporting star, the right coach, and the right system that maximized their strengths. We could go back and forth all day on shit like this
@@camctrail MJ needed Pippen, but was Pippen a greater player than Wade? No, and you know that. MJ never had as a talented of a crew as Bron did in Miami in those first three years. LeBron definitely needed the Heat's real system and culture in order to finally win a title in year 9. Wade had to give up his stats in order to cushion LeBron's ego. Scottie just had to accept being the Robin, which came easy to him because that's who he inherently was as a person. Whereas Wade was already a championship lead alpha before Bron. Wade and the Heat taught LeBron how to become a champion. MJ already had that winning killer mindset, he just needed to trust Jackson and Winter's Triangle System, and help Scottie blossom into a reliable 2-way all-star wing player. LeBron had the greater overall sidekick for his first two-three years there.
@@QuestionEverything562 I could make the case that Pip was a greater player than Wade lol, the margin is slim enough between them that I could make a good case. MJs crew of Pippen, Rodman, and Kukoc is as talented as any lineup LeBron has ever had, stop underrating MJs teammates to elevate MJ.
Ok so if MJ already had that killer winning mindset, then why didn't he win before year 7? Because he was facing dynasties in the playoffs with awful supporting casts and putting up insane individual numbers. Hmm, who else was facing dynasties in the playoffs with awful supporting casts and put up insane individual numbers before he won a championship... can you think of anyone? 🙄 You know MJ was coined in the media as not a winner at the time right? Same shit that LeBron went through, MJ went through too. MJ needed Phil to help him become less of an individual player and more of a team player. LeBron needed Wade to help him become less of a team player and more of an individual player.
We can go back and forth all night dude
@@camctrail you could try but it’s a losing argument to say Pip is GREATER than Wade is blasphemous. It’s unfair bc we didn’t see Pip play his whole career without MJ so we would never know how special he could have been. Whereas before Lebron went and joined Wades team and eventually made it his own team. Wade was a MVP and had already won a championship. There’s no argument to pip being greater
Pippen over wade. Magic was busting Michael ass till Scottie stepped up
Wade was a FMVP before Bron even had an appearance
@@tj2wavyyy so what. We’re taking about when they were on the same team. That’s not a fair argument when Scotties whole prime was on Jordan’s team. If bron left that heat team wade ain’t bring them to no conference championship. Scottie did
@Aaron9 magic dropped a trip dip on Jordan in that finals then they put Scottie on him
@@demetriussmith9234 This myth needs to end right now lol Magic was whooping on both their asses until like game 3 then both MJ and Scottie stepped up their defense and took turns slowing him down
Funny, it was MJ that was guarding magic.
To say LeBron would’ve never won a championship without going to Miami is crazy… look at the landscape of the league he would’ve won in 2012 with that Cavs roster and potentially would’ve never had that blunder in 2011 if he wasnt trying to play off Wade. But Jordan fasho wouldnt have won shit without Scottie. Dude literally took major defensive assignments and was the teams designated play maker
This is such a dishonest statement. So LeBron was gonna win 2012 regardless with the Cavs, the same team his own fans shit on to justify him going to Miami in the first place but all of a sudden he’s going to win with that team now. And then you’re going to say Jordan wasn’t gonna win without Pippen as if it’s facts.
The team had no designated playmaker, in a system like the triangle the ball was getting moved around, he happened to get 7 assists a game not just cuz he was good passer but because he had a guy that was putting up 30 to 40 points every night
You don’t know ball…
Dont know basketball or didn’t watch either or
Guarantee i know more about ball than yall. I aint TicketTV this aint what you want
What? MJ need Scottie pippen to teach him how to win? SERIOUSLY?! WHAAAT 😆😆
Lebron went to the finals without wade and Jordan never did without Pippen 😅
Calling dwayne wade a sidekick is wild 🤡. Lebron joined his team not the other way around and they lost the first finals because of lebron not wade.
Michael Jordan never won a playoff series without Scottie Pippen what is LO talking about
Low is right
It’s definitely Pippen. LeBron already went to a Finals, plus he won after without Wade. If you wanna go the “Bron needed Wade to teach him how to win,” that’s fair. But he was at least on the cusp, in 2007 he just didn’t have the talent. I think what LeBron got from Wade he could’ve got from his coach. MJ needed the actual talent that Pippen was, to perfectly compliment and even raise his game.
Wade already won in 2006 without Lebron as the first option. Try again.
on the cusp? Bron went to the Finals in a depleted Eastern Conference and got swept. MJ was facing dynsaties within his own conference with no help whatsoever. These are not the same.
@@remnant8898 so the spurs weren’t a dynasty?? How About The Warriors? Also did lebron have help?? I’m sorry is getting swept PRIOR TO THE FINALS better than getting swept in the finals?? Also isn’t Chicago in the East, when Jordan went 6-0 who all was he facing? (It’s rhetorical) y’all try to diminish Lebron’s accomplishments, JORDAN went through the same shit, Finals, 1st Round, it’s still a loss.
Pippen taught MJ how to win? Lol how by averaging less than 10 points in multiple playoff series
Scottie Pippen was a perfect synergistic blend with Jordan where together they spearheaded one of the best teams in NBA History.
Wade + Lebron was simply a game of "your turn, my turn". Just Lebron being the superior heliocentric star. Wade could not shoot in a stationary position or in catch&shoot situations. His off ball value as an Offensive player is Westbrookian.
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Not wrong although Tbf he was a highly capable defender
Wade wasn’t a good shooter but he was actually an excellent off ball player whether it was quick post ups, back doors to the basket, etc. Also, his steals , help side blocks and athleticism were perfect for Lebron
@@Thanosdidtherighthing "excellent off ball player"
There's isn't any data at a team level that suggests he was a High End Offensive player when paired next to Lebron; Wade's passing/playmaking fell off a cliff and his scoring efficiency didn't increase that much as a opposed to when he is on the floor by himself.
Who legit thinks Scottie Pippen was a superstar sidekick? And if so, which years was he a quantifiable superstar?
Never.
It just depends on how many NBA players you believed were “Superstars” in the 90s. Bc he was easily top 10-15 throughout the decade. And his resume through the 90s was insane. It just depends on your definition of a “superstar.”
@@LYDD. These are the superstars who played the majority of the 90s; MJ, Hakeem, Barkley, Malone, Shaq, Drexler, Robinson, and Ewing. My criteria for a true superstar is a player that can consistently get his teams to the playoffs, an MVP level player, a top 3-5 MVP candidate consistently, and any player that can at some point lead a team to either the Finals or win the championship outright. I'm not saying they have to have everything on that list, but just at least one or two parts of that criteria to quantify as a flat out superstar.
I always thought Scottie was a fringe superstar, but never quite an actual legit full-time superstar, much in the vain of John Stockton. Guys who were great players, but depended on others to carry the scoring on their teams, not quite That Guy types. Scottie was the perfect personality type/teammate to pair with Jordan's dominant win at all costs character archetype.
@@QuestionEverything562 I agree with you for the most part I was just saying based on others definition of a superstar that I could see why under their criteria Scottie would be considered a “superstar.” If someone were to say Scottie is a superstar I would probably disagree but I wouldnt argue too much on it since he could have possibly been considered a superstar had he been able to manage his own team for a decade. He really only had one year to prove he was a superstar when MJ retired but fell short and he also proved he doesn’t have leadership qualities.
@@QuestionEverything562 I would consider Scottie a high level all star or a low level superstar at best. He wasn’t a bonafide superstar like Wade though
Low big W
I think what people are failing to realize is MJ and Kobe both didn't win a chip without Phil Jackson and the triangle.
And a top 50 player ever and perfect pieces
Nobody failed to realize that shit because it was a reality.
I love this argument, but the people arguing are missing alot of points.
Hey you right LOW dwade was that dude at the moment he taught lebron how to win
Bro how can wade be a better side when pippen got Jordan 6 rings with no Ls
0:59 Michael Jordan needed Phil Jackson to win. Plain and simple
The greatest duo ever is MJ and Pippen, they never won without each other but Bron and Wade won without each other
You're missing the point. Lebron needed Wade to teach him how to lead a team to win a championship. Lebron wouldn't have won anything if he didn't learn that. No team can win without a proper leader.
@@syzorst 1-9 WITHOUT SCOTTIE PIPPEN. It MJ duh smh
@@coreythomas3633 LeBron missed the playoffs in his first two years, also blew a 2-1 series lead with a super team while having the all-time meltdown by a superstar in NBA finals history. When did MJ ever have a meltdown or not play up to par or leave Pippen out to dry in a series? Pepperidge Farm remembers, b*tch.
@@QuestionEverything562 MJ never made a play-off without SCOTTIE AND CHOKE A 2-1 LEAD AGAINST THE PISTONS. LEBRON 2007 SEASON SHOWS HE CAN CARRY A TEAM WITHOUT THE BEST TALENT.
@@QuestionEverything562 when did MJ ever made past the first round with Scottie. He miss the playoffs twice in his career. And got swept twice. Stop the stupidity.
Shaq and co came to Miami and taught D Wade how to win, Who did Lebron have in cleveland ? Nobody !
Dwyane Wade and it's not even close Dwyane Wade let his own team to a championship
Wade was a top 3 player when Lebron joined him. This isn't even close
The Bulls had a won 60% of their games when Pippen played without Jordan from 90-91 to 97-98. The Heat were a .500 team when Lebron didn’t play. Shooting guards have never been the most important player on a championship team. There’s like 3 shooting guards in the 90’s alone that could’ve won 6 with Pip and Phil
Pippen with out another super star almost got to the finals
The old guy does not like mj lol.Lebron choked even in 2011 with d wade .The oj just can't give it to Micheal Jordan
🔥 The difference is LeBron and Wade orchestrated a team Jordan and Pippen was drafted . Debate over
Wade to lbj
y’all really acting like scottie wasn’t the best defender and the playmaker of those bulls teams. Do anything to discredit scottie to prop jordan smh
He wasn’t it was MJ. Both great defenders but MJ was the better defender out the 2
No he wasn't Phil Jackson said Scottie was the most complete player on the team in 1995 including defense rebounds and assist when asked about Jordan he said Jordan scoring was great but not the end all be all
Scottie is no way, shape or form is a better playmaker than MJ
@@Chillboyhaad Once again bro his own coach said Scottie was the most complete player on the team u can Google the interview if you need clarification
@@keithmitchell8372 yes, if you was around that time, that was called building Scottie’s confidence up at the time. Because despite all these new age narratives and lies. Scottie was a known choker and he needed that to help with his game. That was around 94-95, with no Jordan.
not true they didnt draft jordan cause they had drex as a 2 guard
It’s for sure pippen. Wade pairing with Wade hurt his legacy in a lot of people’s eyes. Combine that with the fact that Wade got hurt and wasn’t himself which significantly lowered lowered their chances of winning that 3rd title. Also add in the fact that they aren’t a good mesh with each other bc their games are somewhat similar. Both are optimally ball dominant players who are best driving to the rim and can play make for their team. Lebron pairs with someone like Ray Allen I. Their prime or Klay Thompson and that helps open up the paint for bron, gives him a huge offensive catch and shoot guy. Okay also adds so really good defense and Ray adds some solid shot creation of his own when bron needs to rest. Neither player is on the level of wade so the hate for pairing up with them wouldn’t be the same.
Yawn trolll
It’s Scottie, without em Jordan doesn’t 3 peat twice and win 6 titles to proclaim him as the goat and possibly doesn’t make finals to even later. Without Wade Bron already made the finals and had other teams such as the cavs and lakers titles.
Chris Paul and Lebron would’ve been a great fit together.
I would like to believe that scottie help MJ become a better playmaker and defender, it's not a coincidence that MJ peek playmaker and defense was when scottie came on to the scene.
Not saying scottie taught him but made MJ reflect on himself saying "so that's how I can improve my team and my game"
He became alot let selfish when he came.
it's easy to be less selfish when you finally have someone else who's good
What ? MJ won defensive player of the year when Scottie was coming off the bench lol
@@NothingElseMattersJM okay and? He was still on the team playing great defense, once again it's not an accident that his peek defensive years was when scottie was on the team
@@randomperson2540 that’s not true from any statistical metric. He was at his absolute best as an individual defender BEFORE Scottie blew up. Maybe from a team standpoint he got better but not individually.
@@TheIcemanthomas why you think I said "improve my team" there was never a problem with MJ shot blocking and on ball D, but it was his off ball/help Defense that was noticeable improved when scottie came, it why he won dpoy.
You notice that guys who are really good help defenders tend to win that award
Low is not giving pippen no credit…. You cant assume any old player would have been the teammate mike needed to win 6 titles which is the foundation of jordan legacy. It is not as simple as “its lebron”
1-9 WITHOUT SCOTTIE PIPPEN. It MJ duh smh
8 ppg for Pippen when MJ won mvp
@@Thanosdidtherighthing smh ya will say anything to protect MJ. It very pethetic people are tired of that.
@@Thanosdidtherighthing 0 rings without Scottie Pippen. Period stop it 😂
@@coreythomas3633 Grown ass man acting like u doing ain’t right.
@@Thanosdidtherighthing
What?
MJ in those 10 playoff games w/out Pip⤵️
1-9 W-L (‘85 ECF Game 3; Win-CHI +2)
36/6/7/2/2 on
12/26 FG + 12/14 FT per game (56% TS; +1)
35% USG, 29/11 AST%/TOV%, +2 NETRTG
In 43 MPG
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85’➡️ 29/6/9/3/1 on 57% TS (+2)
34/78 FGM (44%) + 48/58 FTM (83%)
29% USG, 31/13 AST%/TOV%, +8 NETRTG
In 43 MPG
Moncrief➡️ 27/5/5/1/1 on 72% TS (+17)
28/51 FGM (55%) + 48/52 FTM (92%)
21% USG, 17/9 AST%/TOV%, +37 NETRTG
In 42 MPG
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86’➡️ 44/6/6/2/1 on 58% TS (+4)
48/95 FGM (51%) + 34/39 FTM (87%)
40% USG, 26/11 AST%/TOV%, -4 NETRTG
In 45 MPG
Bird➡️ 28/8/8/2/1 on 64% TS (+10)
28/53 FGM (53%) + 25/30 FTM (83%)
24% USG, 26/13 AST%/TOV%, +20 NETRTG
In 45 MPG
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87’➡️ 36/7/6/2/2 on 53% TS (+2)
35/84 FGM (42%) + 35/39 FTM (90%)
39% USG, 30/7 AST%/TOV%, 0 NETRTG
In 43 MPG
Bird➡️ 26/10/9/1/0 on 67% TS (+16)
24/45 FGM (53%) + 28/31 FTM (90%)
23% USG, 29/11 AST%/TOV%, +29 NETRTG
In 45 MPG
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If MJ gets to replace Scottie with Tmac, who does Bron replace Wade with? Delavadova?
@Aaron9 we know like they comparing a top 3 sg to scottie
@@datjitdj1695 Scottie Pippen is better than D Wade
@@upyall no…
@@upyall no 😂💀
@@upyall Scottie is a slightly better defender. Wade was a significantly better offensive player
The Scottie slander is disgusting
kareem gotta be after pippen
Wade wasn't a sidekick he was a self made champion and lead the heat in scoring in the playoffs and was the teams leader
Pippen
Lebron is winning a ring with 90% of the all stars in that time.
Wade and Pippen were both legit superstars.
Kobe should of been in this discussion if those are the guys they call “side kicks”
Kobe not no damn side kick and pippen not no legit superstar
@@KingTaylor-pl2el Larry Bird said Pippen was the 2nd best player in the NBA because of his all around game in like 91 or 92. If you don’t understand just how great Pippen was that’s on you.
@@jacoblee5796 stop it 😂😂😂. In 91/92 pippen wasn't top ten in the NBA. Charles'Barkley and John Stockton better than pippen
@@KingTaylor-pl2el Not according to Larry Bird…
@@jacoblee5796 Larry bird didn't say that stop the cap 🎓🧢
I agree with Wade being more important, but I disagree with Wade teaching Lebron how to be a leader. Lebron has always been a leader, he was a leader while he was in high school winning chips. Lebron managed to lead the Cavs to the NBA finals before he went to the Heats, so it wasn't like he was being bounced out of the 1st round of the playoffs every year. Wade taking a backseat to Lebron in Miami is different from him teaching Lebron on how to be a leader. Now another interesting debate I would like for y'all to have is... What if Detroit had the number 1 overall pick instead of the Cavs. How would that scenario impacted Lebron legacy 👀
Wade definitely taught LeBron how to be a leader cry
If you watched those seasons in Miami you can tell Lebron became a better leader. During his early stint in Cleveland he’d be joking with his teammates all the time and they’d have a whole comedy pre game routine before each game.
Wade taught LeBron choking ass everything