10 Weird and Wonderful Things from Rogue Trader - Snipe and Wib
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 24 ก.ค. 2024
- With Warhammer 40,000's 8th edition being released we thought we'd take a look back at the very first edition: Warhammer 40,000 Rogue Trader.
And yes, we are aware the 'dinosaur writing desk' is an old 'nid, you don't have to keep telling us. We did not intend you to take a section in which we call for GW to go to 'an actual jail' particularly seriously.
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I FUCKIN' ADORE ROGUE TRADER.
Dude, make a TTS Special that has Inquisitor ObiWan Sherlock Clousseau. It was be amazing!
I'm working on building a world for a game on Roll20, I will do this.
If Big Daddy Calgar doesn't beat Sicarius with his Dino-desk, I will be sooo disappointed in you.
Bruva Alfabusa luv you Bruva
That dunk desk better appear in TTS
Obiwan Sherlock Clousseau is canon and nothing you do can convince me otherwise.
I would suggest there be more art of him.
His parents really loved old movies from the ancient days of earth.
Need to model a proxy for this guy and his wargear.
Heretic! 2+2=5
I'm going to make my own Obiwan and have him accompanied by a batallion of rainbow warriors.
This video was a thing of beauty.
Your dulcet tones made it beautiful
People needs to see this! THIS is how 40k used to be, in all its glorious and ridiculous and shameless wonder!
40K Theories luv you!
im making the rainbow warriors as a army now
What is a go?
Best line ever said ever.
Enslavers are still totally part of 40k canon. They're the reason the Necrons went into hibernation. True story.
Jody Schaeffer Thats not true but they are canon.
Cool. I knew it was something along those lines. The more you know!
They came back in Gladius: Relics of War as a non-aligned mind-controlling unit that can grab anyone that isn't a Necron.
@John Grammaticus after years of pain an suffering with dark crusade, FUCK THE FUCKING PARIAHS, space marines shouldn't be tossed around like baseballs
@@joehill4094 Necrons be like: "Ha, a space marine... YEET"
Okay, it's time to bring the dino-desk back.
You have the power to make it happen!
Bring it back as a statted unit.
Jack Wagner nobody cares
I want to believe the Dinodesk™ is a servitor with a screen on its head where you write out commands for it.
"fetch"
Are we going to ignore the Eldar Human Hybrid Ultramarine Librarian?
Seems someone else brought him up in the comment section, at least.
Andrew Byron The what now?
Borbali () Illiyan Nastase, a Human/Eldar Hybrid which used to be the Chief Librarian of The Ultramarines.
eesh...
There was a short lived romantic relationship between and eldar seer and a human assassin. It’s canon and both left without trying to kill each other. Both races can have sex but can’t breed. Having sex with any race but their own is seen as having sex with an animal. No there’s not hybrids of human and eldar or tau anymore. True story
The original marines were closer to the Angry marines than the modern ones.
Also had a lot in common with certain *batman enthusiasts marines* as for selections.
Psychopaths, war criminals, murderers, ye ol' jolly boys.
@@krashface4870 Ironically in Rogue Trader, Maccrage a death world and the Ultrasmurfs were the traitor legions and the one standing right now are nothing more but brainwashed, indoctrinated psychotic murderers, criminals and prisoners in order to replace the traitors one. All the marines are the same as I mentioned are the same as the new Smurfs.
@@longwlenguyen4214 While I know there is a traitor chapter of Ultrasmurfs, I'd love for a Rogue Trader 2.0 for players to experience a more wacky form of 40K ttg and with revised minis directly taken from the old ones (aka BEAKIES EVERYWHERE).
Immagine having Nu40k for people wanting a more grimnoble universe, then the Horus Heresy as the true Grimdark and a Rogue Trader 2.0 as the purest basic of what Warhammer was: pure Grim Awesomeness and 80s Sci-fi (with a bit of more earth to earth sides to the lore that adds the unphatomable horrors of chaos, xenos and overall a sensation of true overwhelming for the Imperium)
@@krashface4870 Don't forget the art, the older editions art by Wil Rees, John Blanche and Tony Hough are so absurd, ironic, primitive, alienated, ridiculous, decadent, weird and utterly inhuman to the point you can't even tell if most human worlds are Chaos realms or imperial control, these arts show the Imperium lack of humans characteristic fit very well in a grimdark far future of 40k where there is no "good" guys.
@@longwlenguyen4214 to be honest, that is what probably sold early players
Actually, it's not a dinosaur. It's a cyber-familiar because Calgar just likes to fuck with people. Also, his primary function isn't being a table, but to keep Cato Sicarius from siting to Calgar's throne, when none's looking.
I like this
I always thought it was an early-design tyranid that got turned into furniture.
"Because, I, Cato Sicarius, am afraid of cyber-familiars."
What I always loved about Rogue Trader was how very 2000AD (the comic) it was. Less grim dark but very satirical in it's own way.
yeah i think you might be on to something there, the rougue trader art ( at the good end) is very similar to 2000ad
Equal parts Judge dread, Dune, madmax
Nemesis the Warlock, specifically.
@@AndorianBlues Torquemada: "Be Pure, Be Vigilant, Behave!"
The Emperor last words: "Be faithful, Be vigilant, Be strong."
You can see the links in the rules clearly in the Realm of Chaos books which covered both 40k and Fantasy lore and where you could have warbands where characters and models could be gifted weapons from 40k as rewards from the Dark Gods, with strong hints that Chaos champions went on Moorcockian quests across time and space and could return bearing boltguns and chainswords. It also offers inspiration for a lot of fun ideas; like for example having a Norsican tribe of Chaos worshippers being gifted 40k firearms by one of the Chaos Gods a'la Zardoz.
I love this comment, largely just because that’s cool, partially for the zardoz reference.
"The gun is good! The p///s is evil!"
-Khorne, probably
Note that Obiwan Sherlock Clousseau has a vortex grenade.
Hey, you never know what you need to fight heresy.
He shall send his enemies *TO THE SUPER WARP!!!*
lol nice
Isnt that like.... a mint nuke.
@@ultramarinescaptain3840 Oh no, Vortex weapons are WAY worse than nukes. They open brief tears in reality, creating the titular vortex effect that will start sucking in everything in the area and dragging it into the warp (Basically, Hell). In one of the Soul Drinkers novels, a Mechanicum Skitarrii veteran describes having seen a Vortex weapon detonated against an enemy Titan, that there was a pure black explosion that collapsed on itself and the titan and everything within the blast radius was just gone, leaving a perfectly smooth and perfectly hemispherical crater where the titan had been.
Vortex weapons are so powerful and also, so rare that in the Imperium, you need to get special permission from Segmentum High Command to take one out of storage, let alone detonate one. Oh and there is a possibility that if you do set one off, the vortex will persist, sucking up everything as it randomly floats around the battlefield, potentially getting bigger and occationally there is a chance that Daemons could use the rift to invade the material universe.
holy crap that inquisitor caught me off guard. I haven't laughed like that in ages.
there is another one that might chock you, i dont remember his name but he was half human and half space elve (that was the name of the eldars back then. also there where Space orks)
Ah, you mean Illiyan Nastase?
@Allister Ramos
That's the one and he wasn't an inquisitor he was an ultramarine. Anyway the real biggest crime Games Workshop ever committed was getting rid of genestealer orks... or maybe the pariahs.
A half-xenos ultrasmurf? That would be impossible today.
Dunno. Now with Roboute being around and being BBs with Eldar, the probability of Illiyan being around ain't so impossible anymore.
1:52
Space Marine: "See this? It says you're gay!"
Ork: "ZOGGIT!"
You didn't mention the half-Eldar, Ultramarine Navigator-Librarian
Whilst I love your Lets Plays, this type of stuff is the real reason I'm subscribed. Tis a thing of beauty
dammit. I left a thing Alfabusa's patreon for the new TTS question segement and I could have left it as Inquisitor Obiwan Sherlock Clousseau. If only I had known he existed at the time.
Wasted opportunity.
Great video guys! I love the Rogue Trader era. Everything in it's massive, unknown universe seemed possible. And, as so much was fan driven, like it was ours. 40k today, despite some obvious improvements, feels small and restricted in comparison. Like it's all been explored with nothing left to discover. And it takes itself a touch too seriously.
More Rogue Trader content pls!
I really thought you'd mention all the Doctor Who references, and the fact that Abbadon started life as a mercenary.
First edition 40k always reminded me of something heavily inspired by the 2000AD comic book, kinda was! Good vid!
big time i never realized it till i saw this video, i read 2000ad in the late '80s and stated playing 40k in the mid '90s
@@andrewescocia2707 Yeah, the influences are there, zany and violent fun!!
Wasn't there and entire ABC warrior storyline with the Imperium in it? Like marine terminators and everything.
You noobs! The dinosaur is the original Tyranid warrior, known these days as the Protonid.
Having grown up playing RT at the time it is funny watching you look at this game. Everyone pretty much ditched the GM straight away and played it as a wargame.
After two and half decades of taking itself too seriously, Geedubs is at last starting to learn how to have fun again (Regimental Standard anyone?)
A very fun video, thanks :)
leakycheese I think you will find the dinosaur is a dinosaur. The Tyranid is the early Tyranid, had five legs. I agree with your other comments though.
Col. Hertford And a read of this: www.google.co.uk/amp/s/auretioustaak.wordpress.com/2014/02/20/the-rarest-of-them-all-the-unreleased-protonid-aka-the-rogue-trader-tyranid/amp/
Hunter Slayer
Two's company; Three's the gm.
I prefers Loch Ness monsters in 40k universe being Plesiosaurs that time travels through warp gates over it being Tyranids
Back in my days of Rogue Trader and WHFB I remember a game at a local convention where we had one guy who was simultaneously GMing a 40K game and a WHFB Siege game. Out of the blue, and on a whim, a squad of teleporting Terminators that had a teleporter accident were thrown through the warp, space, and time and regurgitated out on the to the WHFB table where they proceeded to do what Terminators do and just mowed down fantasy forces all willy-nilly. Nobody complained. Everyone had a great time.
8:19 These guys seem to be inspired by either Hellhounds or Hounds of Tindalos,which are also Lovecraftian.
You forgot about RT Calgar also having a autograph signed by Emps on the wall, Illiyan Nastase The Human/Eldar Hybrid Chief Astrophat of The Ultramarines (and Half-Eldar being a thing), Doomdiver and his ridiculous rules to appear out of nowhere and disappear on the same turn he arrived, and Kharn going from someone who was uncontrollable in and out of fighting into a more cool-headed guy with every new edition (no, I'm serious, he used to be beyond crazy and each edition made him undergoe reverse-Flanderization).
And some other things like Chaos Genestealer Cults, Ork Genestealer Cults, and CHAOS ELDAR.
Tau Genestealer Cults
I come to your aid Snipe.
Drugs. You feed the dinosaur vast quantities of drugs.
fun-fact about the Lizardmen; in the Albion, Dark Shadows campain of 2002/2003 the retrieved magic weapons acted like powerswords or plasmaweapons and other 40k tech.
"better than beakies" no such thing
Great vid! Rogue trader was such a mess. But a fun one.
As for the dino theory - maybe it's just shot with a paralyzing dart, when Papa Smurf needs to write something?
a sad thing about that old calgar model is all the e-bay listing where they have split up and try to sell every part for themselves and not as a complete kit :(
Anders Johansson I got a compete one :p had for about a decade
Damn, that's cruel.
This book is how I was introduced to the hobby. Bought the Rogue Trader rules and the 30 marines box set. Best fluff in any miniature game ever!
This dinosaur prejudice cannot stand.
What about the original ultramarines chief librarian and the sisters of purefication
Ii think the sisters of purification, due to pretty obvious similarities, became the Sisters of Battle we know and love today.
Didn't Dinosaurs from Rogue Trader pretty much just transform within the lore into Grox? I mean, they ARE described as pretty much being some dinosaur looking thing... although less raptor looking and more like, mini herbivore or something.
Also, Holy crap, named Patreon Call outs, WOO!
Oh Grox are in Rogue Trader already (page 212 of the main rule book, for reference) :)
And yeah, we've wanted to do it for ages but just haven't had a scripted video in a long time to put it in!
Nah I think they all fucked off back to the exodite worlds. Speaking of which when am I ever going to see them have an army again GW?
Actually the Grox are carnivorous and angry creatures that require lobotomy in order to be tamed.
And interestingly, if you can find it, GW did rules for Grox in 40k a few years ago in a white dwarf - you could probably convert them to the modern game with a bit of work!
Since this is 40k, the dinosaur is either drugged or brainswiped out of its mind. OR subspecies of Squigs and really thinks Girlyman is Da Biggest Boss.
or Dinosaurs themselves time travels to 41st millennium through naturally occurring Warp gates
Warhammer fantasy “still” has a unique Khorne artifact that is quite literally a world eater possessed chainsword that weaseled its way through the warp.
Where is this!? I need to see this for myself!
Dashiell Gillingham either Liber Chaotica or one of the old WHFRPG sourcebooks if I recall correctly.
*Swell Guy intensifies....*
Marneus Calgar's writing desk is the head of a Tyranid, not a dinosaur. The "protonids" looked very different than they do these days, but even back they the Smurfs didn't get along with them very well.
This is amazing!
There's just something about that old Rogue Trader aesthetic. It's like something out of 2000AD with the dark bits played up for comedy and its tongue planted firmly in its cheek. It was a simpler time.
Bring back the glory days of Rogue Trader, with psychic panama-hats and space sharks!
(in a joyful and not mocking tone) Those "dinosaurs" are in fact the first try at tyranids called Protonid.
No mentions of how adeptus mechanicus uses *SENTIENT MOTHERFUCKING ROBOTS* to fight ?
Cro martini but RT did have a system for making robots... as well as vehicles. Later in White Dwarf they introduced a system for programming robots using cards and a flow chart.
The programming system was joy in itself to play, said no one ever. Thirty minute algorithms could be written to make solo play against a Knight titan possible, or a simple five line (or square in this case) bombot army was genius!
It is interesting but it's just perfected/true AI. We already have partial AI and it's a common sci fi concept that we will have true AI in the future. That's why it's not really featured here, if I had to guess.
i still got mine and yes GW was a whole lot less corperate then. happy and less expensive days *sigh* and NOTHING IS BETTER THAN THE BEAKIES
I've always loved Mk. VI armor.
I think the dinosaur is actually the old design for tyranid. There is crazy pale version. Stays in line with Ultramarines lore.
Even the blind squirrel known as the TH-cam algorithm hands me a nut now and then. This was great fun to watch.
I actually started playing back in ‘87 when my boss at the game store handed me the rules and a box of RTB-01 Marines. He also informed me that I was running a demo in two days. The only spray paint I had at home was red. I made 30 Blood Angels. I’ve played Blood Angels ever since.
I kind of miss the old days of silly, fast and loose play. But I don’t miss the Rogue Trader rules that let me wipe out an entire Squat army with a single 0.5 point virus grenade.
I'm still waiting for an Oddworld tabletop wargame to get released
Yes.
What a wonderful video. Brought back so many memories. I was into 40k around the 2nd edition and still have a stack of White Dwarfs in a closet somewhere (and I'm talking about the White Dwarfs that actually covered games other than GW properties) and I even have the issues with the floppy 45 records-if anyone knows what I'm talking about.
Was sent here by the credits of the latest "If the Emperor had a Text-to-Speech Device".
I am very pleased by this video. Very informative. :D
Oh man, this old stuff makes me LAUGH...but it a good way. ITS. SO. 80s. Just like you said!
Also, that comment on the Emperor ascending to the Throne after the Age of Strife...I guess the Horus Heresy wasnt a thing just yet.
It wasn't. I think the whole Horus Heresy came into existence to provide lore for Space Marine, which was an expansion for Adeptus Titanicus (the two later being combined into Epic).
Makes sense
The Bomb Squigs made me smile and seeing the Rouge Trader and a Minic is my favorite, I love being an Ork player
7:39 I named my new deathguard sorc hq after an old rogue trader chaos warriors "character" named....get this...."DREAD INDY BABYLON" the old school names could be pants pissing hilarious some times.
I don't get it
Back in this era, WHFB & 40k were stated to be in the same universe. You had chaos champions in Fantasy using plasma guns , and in Talisman (which is set in the WHFB universe) you had an expansion that made it possible for the heroes to go out into 40k and bring back bolters. The realms of Chaos books is probably the largest piece of "overlap" though.
Great video you guys! I remember finally getting my hands on RT back around 91' or so. I first saw the 'European Range" in a Dragon Magazine and had to know more.
How do you guys not have more subscribers? This was well edited and the banter was entertaining. Plus, dude, Calgar not having a dinosaur writing desk in modern 40k really is a crime.
This brings back memories, I started playing a few months before 2nd edition came out. A great game. Ty
i'm actually old enough to have been playing rogue trader when it was current. and it was truely glorious
Fantastic video. Great from start to finish :)
I love the "old book" and its illustrations. They are timeless and perfect. . .
Yalls channel is phenomenal. Thank you so much for the content
This was great. I was 10 when this was released and I bought it and flicked through it's pages almost everyday, until the spine broke as well as the follow up book 'Chapter Approved'. The rule book with all the fluff really set off the imagination, the designers must've had so much fun coming up with it all. The tone of 40k was closer to 2000AD, which seemed huge at the time, and as someone said earlier...no-one played with a GM as far as I know, that was ditched immediately. Very nostagic, thanks for the video.
Brings back memories of when I first got into 40k. It was more like a RPG then a war game.
This was great, didn't know about all the craziness contained within that book. Excellent. XD
Me and my friends played rogue trader loads! Sometimes we would mix up 40k and fantasy battle, and say they'd discovered a primative race on a newly discovered world and just wanted to kill it!! Great video!
Also, model names - remember Citadel Combat Cards? And endless parade of glory. "Kharth Skullface", "Gerda von Evilstein", "Gruk the Loon", and the mighty "Bogi Dungbreath". Incredible.
Iron-Bonce the Squat is the best thing ever, and I am totally going to play him in my next DnD game.
Also, I rolled a mutant as well, just for fun, and got an invisible, paranoid, crystal-man.
I like to imagine that Kylie Minogue wasn’t a space marine chapter, it was one space marine who was so good he was basically an entire chapter all by himself which I think is somehow scarier than an entire chapter of bloodthirsty tools of war
I’ve seen this video so many times and it never gets old
Yvraine came out this year, and has a gyrinx. Seriously cool looking magic kitty
Reading a Rogue Trader's 1987 codex while listening Winoc Swynghedauw's Dark Future album = *PERFECTION*
my favorite thing from rogue trader are: Valedictors and Rainbow Warriors are first founding legions whose primarchs are 2 missing ones(this was incorporated into the version of 40k universe that my Mega-crossover uses)
and there's Metal Slug song in this video
Genestealer centaur = Zoats
My head cannon has always been that the fantasy setting is, either, on a distant world, or, accessed through the warp, cool to hear that out loud. In my mind gorzag gitstompa was a warlord there who, for some reason, rode a Herald of tzeentch to 40k real space. It's fun to try to make all the elements work cohesively
On the eve of 9th edition, re-watching the retro reviews and getting a giggle, glad to still have my Rogue Trader.
That Zombies Ate My Neighbors music at 7:50 took me by surprise!
+Kudos for having the original space crusade computer game music in the background :)
Did I just see Stumm grenades on silly-quisitor?
I bet he's good friends with the arbiters...
More like good friends with Judge Dredd, where Stumm grenades come from originally. In fact GW "Arbiters" are basically Mega-City Judges "reporuposed" (ahem) into 40k.
*face palms*
Man, 8th being out so long ago makes me feel old. I wasnt even a 40k fan yet, and i still feel old about it
Nice choice of track from Front Mission!
Great video! Glad I found your channel. Will subscribe for sure :D
The Gyrinx mase a comeback with Yvrain though, that's kinda cool.
Absoultely wonderful video, lol. Loved it. Completely highlighted all my childhood confusion surrounding that book! I started to play 40k during Rogue Trader era, still have my first edition and it was so....weird. The fluff made no freakin sense. But i loved it and just kind of just accepted it because all the other kids were bigger than me 😂. I had SO many questions! lol Great to know it wasn't just me. Now, tell me more theories about the dinosaur...
Man! Love the video. I’m glad I found this channel
Ah fond memories. I still have all my RT books and it was interesting crossing over between fantasy and it for some very interesting battles.
That little bit of 1st edition insanity @ 12:35 is totally legal in 8th edition, right? You could say the marine was in good with the Adeptus Mechanicus and was a big fan of the 1985 movie The Eliminators and got tank tread upgrades!! Very good use of you Imperial Good Boy Points!
That Eliminators reference gets a like :)
@@HellbellyUK Thanks!
@@HellbellyUK That was a surprisingly fun movie.
Missed chance there: should've called the Mutant "Daddy-Long-Legs"
I love all the tables from the old rules. The tables for gifts and mutations from The Lost and the Damned and Slaves to Darkness were things of beauty, and the table for Chaos weapons was just perfect. I found those books in a second hand bookshop when I was a kid in the 90s, and that was the end for me. My soul was lost, and I'd happily spend my time just rolling up champions and weapons that I would never use for anything.
this was my era. I pored over each of those books as a teen spending my limited funds on whatever games workshop products I could get my hands on. It didn't feel janky at the time, even though the original rulebook was more of an RPG than a tabletop game, every month new rules would appear in White Dwarf, and vehicles were incomprehensible (which didn't matter because just one land raider on the table was unusual). WH40K felt dark and gothic and punk rock and very "alternative" to the Travellers and Star Frontiers and such that defined scifi tabletop at the time. it was a breath of fresh air - or rather, a blast of dirty smoke and metal power-chords. It was amazing and I loved it. Now coming back 25 years later it is considerably more polished and "serious" but the DNA is still there, and I love it all over again.
7:24 you missed Abradon, bahaha! Great video, encapsulates my thoughts when I look at the old shit too!
that one dark angel marine with "have a nice day" written on his boltgun
Love these videos :D
Thankfully we still have dinosaurs; the dragons of the eldar exodite worlds. Exodites ride on what looks like oversized raptors, mount guns on giant sauropoda and ceratopsidae; so GW with all your changes to the eldar, gives us real models! (though the fan-made ones are really cool). Who wouldn't want to see a battle between dinosaurs/dragon riders and let's say THunderwolf Cavalry.
And who knows, maybe Calgar used to make hunting trips to an exodite world. Imean, where else would a chapter daddy get his writing desk? IKEA?
I don't know if you can tell by my name, I happen to be an avid fan of Rogue Trader. As of right now, a few of my old college buds are crafting an online campaign.
Our modern adaptation of the standard RP system,
Each player places a PDF copy of their character sheet into a power point doc. along with a detailed account of their backstory, gear, and other such items. I (the GM) write the story in a word document, create a spreadsheet of various custom baddies, and create a power point filled with beautiful 40k art to go along with the RP session. Each art power point will be opened up in a roll 20/ Skype feed. This is a technique I have been doing for about 4 years with various Rogue Trader and Cyberpunk campaigns.
I love rouge trader so much
The production value of your vid got a thumbs up but the running dino rant got my subscription. Well played.
This book together with Lost and the Damned and Slaves to Darkness are some lovely stuff
as someone who just glanced at the old editions (I think it was...third edition catalogue I stumbled upon once) this was a treat, especially the inquisitor, I stumbled over the image before, but never the fact he had a name like that.
I am here because of Inquisitor Clousseau! The ‘40K theories’ channel did an April 1 video about him; and here you were in my suggested almost immediately after.
i love this guys, they are adorable and its feels nice always watch their videos
that was fun, i still play the odd game using that rule set. the main thing i miss from back then is the ork art work and the glorious mad boys it was so much fun. and i am fairly certain i still have my inquisitor obiwan figure kicking about somewhere
New viewer, been binging the Warhammer40k content. I was hoping there was a Total Warhammer video or fantasy in general, perhaps I missed it.
Either way, thanks to your channel I now know of hair squigs. Glorious.
7:38 WE NEED MORE OF THIS!
That was awesome. Make me remember old day when i was playing...
The scenario table at the end of rogue trader book is just epic too, the one with the insane religion is hilarious.
Warhammer siege had all the rule to mix 40k and battle in an awesome way of destruction.
Anti-plant missile to destroy forest or the worst --> stasis missild to make cry others players.
Ere we go for ork, added another level of crazyness to the games..
Madboy who travel the whole table to congrat the ennemy commander
The bioniks ork were just epic...
And the special table for vehicle... was... full audio system : the rule said you can play heavy metal music very loudly, only to stop it is to destroy the vehicle...