I remember that GW came out with a "mutant kit" that was literally a spire of fantasy zombies, ork boyz, catachans, and a chaos mutation sprue. It was a stupid good bargain and I miss that GW.
I can't find it online? I remember my friend getting 2 for a fiver each. So sad literally can't find any even second hand made up already, must of been low production
Sounds like when I ordered two Leman Russ turret sprues back in the day - I was going to build an alternate body for them since I didn't like the Leman Russ chassis, but felt the turret and weapons would be identifying enough. They were totally happy to send me just that and charge me just for those.
One amusing little quirk of the way the Eye of Terror campaign was organised: The space "regions" of each system were affected by Battlefleet Gothic games specifically. This, oddly, led to numerous systems where the ground war was won by Chaos, but the void war was dominated by the Imperium, given how popular Imperial Navy fleets were in BFG around that time. As a personal anecdote: I was 18 at the time, playing regular games in GW Reading at the time. One weekend, Reading and the other GW stores in the region (Oxford, Slough, Basingstoke, and Maidenhead, I think) had all been assigned a particular city on one world that they were all contributing to. I brought my Eldar Corsairs BFG fleet that Saturday, and fought a staff member's Slaanesh Chaos fleet in the orbital space above the planet, and managed to break through his lines to bombard the planet. The manager decided that the bombardment would hit a random city from amongst those being fought over, and he phoned up the other stores to resolve the plasma fire raining from the skies from my ships onto battlefields below. I've never before or since managed to kill enemy models in six separate games simultaneously.
That is an awesome story at the end there!!! GW should try and do this full time now I reckon. They could hold campaigns, year long. Let the players decide the fate of the story. Then they should literally canonise it. Write books based on the events. Video game plot lines. And think of all of the fan made content that would be spawned off these things! :O
It is my head canon that Dark Apostles propagating the idea that Horus was weak gets great crowds to chant: “He had the whole galaxy in his hands He had the whole wide galaxy in his hands He had the whole galaxy in his hands And he let it slip away”.
You missed out on what happened to the Scarus sector and the Tau: The ork players were expected to 'ally' with chaos, but a couple of ork forum big bosses rallied the ladz and stomped scarus sector flat, fighting ANYONE and scoring it for scarus, which resulted in the sector being renamed 'Skar-Uz'. At the same time, the Tau players took the opportunity to give everyone a kicking and did so well GW started the 3rd sphere expansion! And yes, there was LOTS of forum drama, and hats of to the chaos players, they definetly ran a tighter, more organised campaign than the Imperials, which was proved pretty conclusively in the Medusa V campaign, where despite massive numerical disadvantage, they did really well again.
You have to admire the ork players for that. A "screw expectations, I've got a funny plan" situation sounds fully in character... a tip of the cap for that!
Dunno how true it is in reality, but it seems like there were physically a lot more Chaos players back then, too... Think that might have swayed things?... I kitbashed a Lost and the Damned army when I was 14 just to take part in this, but it took so long I only got a single battle in... Against some nids with a forge world Hierodule, who immediately minced my boys. Good times, hah!
@@librarianseth5572 It was canonised as the Green Kroozade for a while (read: about half the history of the game) until it kind of got written out with Abaddon's 2nd 13th Black Crusade.
"but a couple of ork forum big bosses rallied the ladz and stomped scarus sector flat" you know that sounds super orky and i kinda like the idea that orks in 40k have there own internet and version of reddit just for WAAAAAGH posting
This is the return of the respectful request that you cover GorkaMorka. I'd you do I'll tell mighty tales of this one bloke that rewrote the rules from the ground up and made eight different kinds of ork clans. One of them were only made up of the old ork minis that only had a poseable shota arm.
Because I watched all the Codex Compliants way too many times, everytime I watch this video again, I will edit this comment. I watched this episode 4 times.
There was a great WD article at the time in which 4 or 5 GW designers were given a Mutation sprue from the chaos space marine box, a catachan sprue, a fantasy zombie sprue and an ork sprue and were told to kitbash mutants with them! The things they came up with were so cool, unique and inspiring!
@@MSilva-ee7nc sadly not, I googled 'white dwarf mutants' trying to find it for you though, and all the pages are amongst the top image search results.
I built and Painted my 13th Company in less than a week, for a tournament at Warhammer World, lots of grey dry brushing. I was running 2 Squads of 15 Fenrisian Wolves in the Army. I think I still have some of the Goblin Riders in my bits box 🤣
My first thought upon seeing that this episode was on Eye on Terror reminded me of you talking about your 13th company and how the list as it stood wasn't playable when you came back to 40k. I think I may have rewatched your videos far too many times.
I have super fond memories of this era of 40k. I helped run many of the Eye of Terror events in my area and even won a Rogue Demon trophy from when GW held a painting competition in our area at the time.
@@matthewberryman6609 I mean if I could put in the little heart I would but since I can't can I keep it as Is. Just cause abi looks a bit more like an actual abbreviation than Abby
I love the Lost and the Damned. All the mutant scratch building and kit bashing was so cool... and it's never made sense to me that Chaos is treated as the most major threat to the Imperium, but 99% of the focus of chaos is placed on the couple of hundred thousand (at most) chaos space marines spread comically thin over a galaxy and not on the billions of rebels, PDF runaways, underhivers, mutants etc that canonically fall to chaos all the time.
Oh wow! The entire story of the disputes between the two factions of players sounds absolutely fascinating. They sound like they squabbled the way the factions do in the fiction XD
The video missed some of the highlights of the player drama: Eldrad canonically died - this got rolled back at some stage. The Orks said "bugger fighting for Chaos" and decided to launch Da Green Kroozade, conquoring Skar-Uz and renaming a planet More-Dakka Prime. They did this by picking a Chaos controlled area and deliberately posting battle report games against Chaos until GW noticed. The old Da Waaagh! forums (rip) were helping co-ordinate it. Tau did pretty well too. There was also a Battlefleet Gothic component, which Chaos _thoroughly_ won. I'm sure there was other stuff, but I don't really recall it all. It was a while back now.
It would be cool if GW brought back these "tournaments influence cannon" events, though regulation to prevent the really silly/troll moves would be nice.
I played in this campaign at the L.A. Battle Bunker when that was still a thing. We were heavily into Inquisitor and had campaign jump off points that lead into bigger 40k games. It was a lot of fun! My modern armies are still really heavily influenced from those events. It was a hell of a time to be in the hobby, one of the Golden Ages in my opinion.
Pete Hains? I used to do a bit of "Viking" battle re-enactment with him. He was truly a giant of a man, and interesting to talk with. I think that I prefer the old Wolfen models to the new ones.
The production quality in this episode is *chef's kiss* (this is not saying that prior episodes had lower quality, i just want to say that over time each codex compliant episode gets better and better)
All this video did was make me want a new Lost and the Damned faction. Full of heretics, Beastmen, mutants, and zombies that can fight alongside the Chaos Space Marines.
My brain has been transposing the s and r in Kasrkin for 17 years (Dawn of War’s release) and so today I learned that it’s “Kas-er-kin” not “Kar-skin.” Thank you for this invaluable service.
3rd and 4th editions were by far the best of 40k. 3rd brought us this masterpiece. 4th brought us the best Eldar codex to date and also gave us doctrines for Imperial Guard.
I happened to be introduced to 40k sandwiched between two of the big GW campaigns: when the Eye of Terror had just ended, and Storm of Chaos was ramping up--one really good, and beloved by fans; the other eventually reviled. I was 12 at the time, and I could see the influence of all of these things in the local GW store, with the EoT, Armageddon, City Fight, and other great books still on the shelves, and fabulously painted armies on display. There was this feeling that I just missed the biggest party.
You two have come a long way from being just another let’s play channel on TH-cam. It felt like only yesterday I was watching you play a game about kids showering with their parents and Snipe screaming "incorrect parental figure!" lol.
the Necron home base map in DoW: Dark Crusade features a couple of blackstone pylons near the starting point. Just a fun surprise I stumbled upon revisiting the game...
I was very young when I played with this. The Seer Council was absolutely amazing to run, and the Black Guardians just felt so much like how Ulthwé are described. I loved it so much that after falling out of love with 8th and 9th I've gone back to it and just reacquired the books. Thank you for a wonderful video.
The old metal Wulfen models were a joy. Though that was not always the case with space wolf sculpts of the day. Prime example being the old metal space wolf scouts that McVey sculpted.
Great episode y'all! I just want to say that seeing new Codex Compliants from y'all has been a real boon during covid. Your videos have a really fun quality that just makes me happy to see more. It's been a bright spot in a garbage year so you have my sincere thanks.
'.' I was playing a tiny Dark Angels army back then, felt neat feeling like a part of one of the only narrative setbacks chaos had through the whole campain
Same. I was active organizing DA players on the Bolter and Chainsword at the time. Dark Angels players made up a significant gap against chaos in the narrative campaign.
Me and my gaming buddies were at "peak 40k" around then, and a lot of fun was had fighting battles and checking the website as the campaign progressed. Good times!
My favourite bit of 40k was this campaign, and then GW just booted it out of canon, and it's sadly most well known for the massive real-world scrap that the players had, which some, myself included, believe was a deliberate attempt to mimic the setting. Such a shame.
I have been anticipating this one. Loved the episode guys. I remember playing a giant game in the Birmingham store for the eye of terror campaign I think there was like 10 players each with 500 points. I was using my home brew sm chapter, fighting on the imperial side. Choas won. My only surviving model was my captain.
The Lost and Damned list was sooo good and fun to convert and play. I was gutted when they lost support in 4th and ended up leaving them in the boxes and picking up Orks then.
The mutants for the Lost and the Damned list, weren’t just any old conversions, there was an actual kit produced for them. And by actual kit I mean a bag containing sprues of Catachans, Ork Boyz, Zombies and the Chaos mutation sprue. Those original Wolfen minis were so much better than the current ones, hope any Space Puppy players here snapped them up while they could. The whole nothing changed in the timeline then years later GW did a do-over that actually moved the timeline on and was more devastating is like what happened in Fantasy with the Storm of Chaos campaign (although at least 40k didn’t get its whole setting nuked in the do-over). Also, probably worth mentioning both did actually have a small timeline progression, which GW promptly forgot about and set things back to the pre-EoT/SoC state with the Medusa V and Nemesis Crown campaigns respectively. Regarding the cover art, I always thought it’d be kinda neat to replicate it by taking the Abaddon min, orientating the Talon of Horus the other way up and bending its fingers around a marble.
I'm pretty sure this was the exact time I got into the hobby. I remember looking at the website frantically, so engrossed. I didn't even play any games, it was just cool to watch!
the guy who scoots himself along on a funky little wheel is made out of an ork boy torso, an ork boy right arm, an ork boy left arm, an ork boy pauldron, an ork shoota sight (the "wheel" he scoots on) and a human-esque head. That's a lotta ork bits for a non-ork character
Awesome campaign. The tabletops my GW store put together were so big I had to have someone older than me help measure and move for my models because I wasn't tall enough to reach the center at the time.
The summer of 2003 was such an insane blast for me. I loved participating in the summer campaign and the long nights getting my, at the time, new Death Guard built and battle ready in time. To be 19 again. Funnily enough, I managed to avoid all the drama of the campaign. I only played with randos and friends at my local GW store and never went near the site for Eye of terror myself. I'm still sad about lost and the damned. By the time I had made a legit playable force of mutants and corrupt guard and played maybe three games with them, the codex wasn't considered valid anymore
As someone who was really into the campaign when it started, I can say without a shadow of a doubt that basically no one played their 3 battles a week, the main strategy was picking which planet or part of space to attack. Yahoo groups at the time was the main place to organize and it would often be by legion (I was in the Iron Warriors one). The final newsletter does try to explain the campaign from an in universe perspective, with it basically saying "the Imperium lives because it still rules the space lanes but Chaos has a foothold on most of the planets", which is basically what happened, with Imperial players seemingly just spamming on the space lanes while Chaos players had specific targets.
I am sure someone has pointed this out already, but a warhammer fantasy campaign called the storm of chaos. Weirdly enough, it happened in 2004 and had a very similar outcome(a costly victory basically.) I vaguely remember someone else talking about that campaign, but I dont remember much about it or the warhammer fantasy 6e book.
@@gratuitouslurking8610 No, this was when chaos invaded the fantasy realm. I think it was the largest invasion up to that point. It shares the real world campaign aspect, yet apparently went even more poorly then the eye of terror campaign.
@@qazwer333 iirc the forces of Chaos ended up stalling early on so GW fiddled the results so they could make it to their objective of besieging Middenheim. In the fluff they wrote for the conclusion, the climax was something like Archaon (the Fantasy equivalent of Abaddon) bested Valten (the champion of the forces of Order, but not their leader) in a duel, but then randomly Grimgor Ironhide (roughly the Fantasy equivalent of Ghazkhul) showed up, head butted Archaon, defeating him, then wandered off to find someone better to fight. Overall result was the Chaos invasion failed and Archaon retreated to a nearby fortress, but overall, like with EoT, the status quo was maintained, and over time, again like with EoT, GW rolled back the clock to just before the campaign and left the timeline stuck there.
This was when I bought my first Warhammer models. I didn't play, but I bought a few models just for hobbying. First the paint set that came with 5 push-fit space marines, then a Tau crisis suit, and then some Gaunts and Cadians that I converted to look like Aliens and Colonial Marines. (At the time, £20 would get you a box of 30 guardsmen, or a box of "gaunts" that contained 8 termagants and 8 hormagaunts).
I find it really neat that, 14 years later, background writer Phil Kelly actually picked up right at this point and made it the foundation of what the current 40k setting looks like. I cannot think of a better decision about how to advance the metaplot, and it even made previous, wonky backround material (looking at you, 12 "unseccessful" Black Crusades) better for it. But then again, most things Phil touched turned to gold. I do miss the kind of campaign Eye of Terror was. With some ironing-out of the problems, I'd really dig it if they did something like that again.
I was running events at our FLGS at the time and we had a big 12 player game across 4 tables for our final battle of the campaign. 6 players on the main table, 1 space hulk table that was the chaos bombarding the battlefield and a table of Imperial artillery to add their own bombardment (the old guess the range for your ordnance) and 1 table that was flanking forces that the winner got to bring in some forces to the main table. Lots of fun if a bit chaotic to keep organized. And I so wanted to make a Lost and Damned force but finances were not friendly to the idea at the time.
The Eye of Terror release was so much fun. The Nurgle and Space Wolf models that came out were incredible. I remember at the time GW released a very reasonably priced mutant kit. It contained a few catachan, chaos mutation, ork and Vampire count zombie sprues. It came in a plastic bag and had enough parts to make about 16 mutants. Good times...
I enjoyed playing LatD lists at tournaments for several years. I rarely used the 'big' mutants, but the regular ones (especially the Nurgle ones with T4) were amazing! Hide a CSM in the squad of 30, with a power fist, and you had a 30hp trap for anyone dumb enough to engage them. Special shout out to the fact that you could take the gibbering hordes (swarms of 'undivided' demon babies), and the (then REALLY OOP) Obliterators. I also used the squads of Chaos spawn that you could have as well. For some reason, everyone would ignore them, then they'd run over and get 18 attack on something, and all of a sudden, they were a BIG concern. :P
I used to play against friends and myself and legit played to win as each faction in BFG (ultra marines, tau, 1k sons, tyranids), Inquisitor (Which Hunter Tyrus, deathwatch Brother Artimus, Slick Devlin), Epic (Blood Angels) and 40k (Ultramarines, 1k sons and Lost And Damned Spire Guard, Tyranids, Tau, Ulthwe), and submit my wins and losses. It was amazing. When I got back into 40k I heard that they finally completed the Summer Campaign I played in, my last summer I played I was mind blown it took them so long to get this completed. I remember people in the GW forums, now Warhammer Community, trying to get people to submit bogus games and coordinating how to play and such. It was amazing! Man I miss thay
I wasn't playing the game then (I was pretty young and just wanted to paint everything that looked cool) but I was buying and reading every White Dwarf through this whole campaign, and I bought this Codex (just for the fluff basically). What was really cool to me, being about 12, was that after bugging my parents about for for about 4 years we went to Warhammer World for the first time. I remember seeing the board with the battle they were covering in WD that was being played by a ton of people - what I'm pretty sure I remember as being the final deciding battle for Cadia? With Abbadon, Creed, Yarrick, and that awesome Ork Warboss in tank-like mega armour I can't remember the name of (I was a committed Ork collector as a kid too, I still have that model unpainted somewhere). My sister HATED it but even my parents couldn't help being impressed. They even used a fireplace for the gates of the emperor's palace in the siege of the emperor's palace scene and there was a tiny catflap with milk bottles in front of it. Going to Warhammer World was 100% by far my best & happiest memory of my whole childhood. Maybe I'm remembering this totally wrong but wasn't that final battle being played by the GW staff? Or was it just on that board at Warhammer World? Anyway I should definitely dig out those old W.D. copies again. Cheers for the memories!!!
Fun fact! I’m actually in that book. I was still a halfling and in my boy scout troop I made my pinewood derby car a predator in the colors of my home brew space marines. I was in the stand and shoot section.
I remember that GW came out with a "mutant kit" that was literally a spire of fantasy zombies, ork boyz, catachans, and a chaos mutation sprue. It was a stupid good bargain and I miss that GW.
I remember that, couple of sprues in a sealed plastic bag with gw logo on it. Such an amazing value
I can't find it online? I remember my friend getting 2 for a fiver each. So sad literally can't find any even second hand made up already, must of been low production
Sounds like when I ordered two Leman Russ turret sprues back in the day - I was going to build an alternate body for them since I didn't like the Leman Russ chassis, but felt the turret and weapons would be identifying enough. They were totally happy to send me just that and charge me just for those.
One amusing little quirk of the way the Eye of Terror campaign was organised:
The space "regions" of each system were affected by Battlefleet Gothic games specifically. This, oddly, led to numerous systems where the ground war was won by Chaos, but the void war was dominated by the Imperium, given how popular Imperial Navy fleets were in BFG around that time.
As a personal anecdote:
I was 18 at the time, playing regular games in GW Reading at the time. One weekend, Reading and the other GW stores in the region (Oxford, Slough, Basingstoke, and Maidenhead, I think) had all been assigned a particular city on one world that they were all contributing to. I brought my Eldar Corsairs BFG fleet that Saturday, and fought a staff member's Slaanesh Chaos fleet in the orbital space above the planet, and managed to break through his lines to bombard the planet. The manager decided that the bombardment would hit a random city from amongst those being fought over, and he phoned up the other stores to resolve the plasma fire raining from the skies from my ships onto battlefields below.
I've never before or since managed to kill enemy models in six separate games simultaneously.
That is an awesome story at the end there!!!
GW should try and do this full time now I reckon.
They could hold campaigns, year long. Let the players decide the fate of the story. Then they should literally canonise it. Write books based on the events. Video game plot lines. And think of all of the fan made content that would be spawned off these things! :O
God I hope they bring this stuff back, I don’t care how bad codex creep is, this is dope.
Codex: Eye of Terror, or as I like to call it: Whacky Dabby Abadaddy's Apocalyptically Armed Adventure
>Armed
C'mon, we all know that Abaddon doesn't have arms.
The sequel to the Gothic War, also known as; "Planets blow up, the musical."
Where you high when you wrote this?
Regular codex: People shoot people, your guys are standing on something
Eye of Terror Codex: 🎵 He's got the whole world, In his hands! 🎵
Beat me to it.
and is CRUSHING it
It is my head canon that Dark Apostles propagating the idea that Horus was weak gets great crowds to chant:
“He had the whole galaxy in his hands
He had the whole wide galaxy in his hands
He had the whole galaxy in his hands
And he let it slip away”.
It's the planet killer ship not his claw is this just rizz I can't be the only one to see this😭
You missed out on what happened to the Scarus sector and the Tau: The ork players were expected to 'ally' with chaos, but a couple of ork forum big bosses rallied the ladz and stomped scarus sector flat, fighting ANYONE and scoring it for scarus, which resulted in the sector being renamed 'Skar-Uz'. At the same time, the Tau players took the opportunity to give everyone a kicking and did so well GW started the 3rd sphere expansion!
And yes, there was LOTS of forum drama, and hats of to the chaos players, they definetly ran a tighter, more organised campaign than the Imperials, which was proved pretty conclusively in the Medusa V campaign, where despite massive numerical disadvantage, they did really well again.
You have to admire the ork players for that. A "screw expectations, I've got a funny plan" situation sounds fully in character... a tip of the cap for that!
The ork part just sounds quintessentially Orky, I love it. And nice to hear that even the Tau got to tip their feet in.
Dunno how true it is in reality, but it seems like there were physically a lot more Chaos players back then, too... Think that might have swayed things?... I kitbashed a Lost and the Damned army when I was 14 just to take part in this, but it took so long I only got a single battle in... Against some nids with a forge world Hierodule, who immediately minced my boys. Good times, hah!
@@librarianseth5572 It was canonised as the Green Kroozade for a while (read: about half the history of the game) until it kind of got written out with Abaddon's 2nd 13th Black Crusade.
"but a couple of ork forum big bosses rallied the ladz and stomped scarus sector flat" you know that sounds super orky and i kinda like the idea that orks in 40k have there own internet and version of reddit just for WAAAAAGH posting
He's got the whole world in his hands.......
Until his arms fall off again
Would be a shame if he
Dropped the ball again
Everyone looking at Wolf part of the books:
"Finally, I will have more wolves in my wolves"
You mean you wolf have wolf wolves in wolf wolves
@Autumn Anxiety wolf wolf wolf wolf
YO DAWG
@@ProjectThunderclaw Yo! We put some wolves in your space wolves, so you can have wolves while you have wolves.
There are no wolves on Fenris!
I am a Veteran of this Campain.
My 2nd Companie Ultramarines helped to secure a Imperial victory at the store in Bremen/Germany.
Courage and Honour.
Salute brother seargent
COURAGE AND HONOR!! *Stomp stomp*
Moin moin, my Traitors didn't win a single game across Germany and Austria
Help! Im 14 Again and Playing In a hot Games Workshop during the middle of summer! Good times.
SAME! I can't forget the smell of some of the people who attended those hot afternoons.
Those were the days. Must have been about the same age
This is the return of the respectful request that you cover GorkaMorka.
I'd you do I'll tell mighty tales of this one bloke that rewrote the rules from the ground up and made eight different kinds of ork clans. One of them were only made up of the old ork minis that only had a poseable shota arm.
And that shoota may or may not have been a six shoota arm ;)
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Please continue
Babe, wake up there's a new codex Compliant video.
Because I watched all the Codex Compliants way too many times, everytime I watch this video again, I will edit this comment.
I watched this episode 4 times.
I'll see you later this week I suppose lmao
IT HAS BEGUN!!!
should I edit my comment each time I see this comment after watching this video again? Hmmm.
I read this comment: 02_time(s).
@@th3WhiteKnight
Brother, reply to me every time aswell.
I’ve now watched it 2 times :D
@@Therealblacktux done
There was a great WD article at the time in which 4 or 5 GW designers were given a Mutation sprue from the chaos space marine box, a catachan sprue, a fantasy zombie sprue and an ork sprue and were told to kitbash mutants with them!
The things they came up with were so cool, unique and inspiring!
I miss stuff like that
Do you remember the issue?? Pdfs of old WDs are easy to find and I would love to see that one
@@MSilva-ee7nc sadly not, I googled 'white dwarf mutants' trying to find it for you though, and all the pages are amongst the top image search results.
they actually did a special mail order deal with those sprues in a set,
@@apocrypha5363 I will see if i can find it tho. It must be from the same year as the codex and that narrows it down quite a lot
Oh I remember the howling on how this campaign was quietly swept under the rug when Chaos decisively won.
I've been hoping you'd do this, LOVE IT. I remember my 13th Company army very fondly even if it did look absolutely terrible paint job wise
I built and Painted my 13th Company in less than a week, for a tournament at Warhammer World, lots of grey dry brushing. I was running 2 Squads of 15 Fenrisian Wolves in the Army. I think I still have some of the Goblin Riders in my bits box 🤣
My first thought upon seeing that this episode was on Eye on Terror reminded me of you talking about your 13th company and how the list as it stood wasn't playable when you came back to 40k.
I think I may have rewatched your videos far too many times.
Oh cool what army?
I never new I wanted to be called a ravenous little nerdling....
Nerdling = Nurgling?
@@afl2138 no, Nerdlings are the Tzeentchian variant
@@ProjectThunderclaw ok, never thought of this, but fuck yes
I have super fond memories of this era of 40k. I helped run many of the Eye of Terror events in my area and even won a Rogue Demon trophy from when GW held a painting competition in our area at the time.
It's official now abaddons nickname is now Abby
Yes
I think it spelt Abi with a little heart over the i.
@@matthewberryman6609 I mean if I could put in the little heart I would but since I can't can I keep it as Is. Just cause abi looks a bit more like an actual abbreviation than Abby
Always has been
His first name is Ezekeyel, so it would be Zeke Abby
I love the Lost and the Damned. All the mutant scratch building and kit bashing was so cool... and it's never made sense to me that Chaos is treated as the most major threat to the Imperium, but 99% of the focus of chaos is placed on the couple of hundred thousand (at most) chaos space marines spread comically thin over a galaxy and not on the billions of rebels, PDF runaways, underhivers, mutants etc that canonically fall to chaos all the time.
Your characters could get stronger by playing more games, excellent stuff👍
Snipe's comment about their mental health this year was very relatable. Hope both you are doing well, stay safe.
The amount of oversized plushies grows
What do you mean "oversized"? They are the only valid size for a plushie!
How many do they need to have before they can be traded in for a 6 foot alligator plushie?
I thought that the plushie was actually part of the t-shirt.
Squishmallows! ❤️
Aaaaand we're back
13:48 holy smokes those barrel holes!
Oh wow! The entire story of the disputes between the two factions of players sounds absolutely fascinating. They sound like they squabbled the way the factions do in the fiction XD
Sounded a bit like the Eve Online dramas that seep out into the mainstream.
The video missed some of the highlights of the player drama:
Eldrad canonically died - this got rolled back at some stage.
The Orks said "bugger fighting for Chaos" and decided to launch Da Green Kroozade, conquoring Skar-Uz and renaming a planet More-Dakka Prime. They did this by picking a Chaos controlled area and deliberately posting battle report games against Chaos until GW noticed. The old Da Waaagh! forums (rip) were helping co-ordinate it.
Tau did pretty well too.
There was also a Battlefleet Gothic component, which Chaos _thoroughly_ won.
I'm sure there was other stuff, but I don't really recall it all. It was a while back now.
@@jacksea3814 i remember this, hilarious times
It would be cool if GW brought back these "tournaments influence cannon" events, though regulation to prevent the really silly/troll moves would be nice.
Content for the Content Throne, Comments for the Comment Algorithm.
Once again the Eldar look at the lesser races and think “can we not leave you alone for five millennia without you all killing each other?”
I played in this campaign at the L.A. Battle Bunker when that was still a thing. We were heavily into Inquisitor and had campaign jump off points that lead into bigger 40k games. It was a lot of fun! My modern armies are still really heavily influenced from those events. It was a hell of a time to be in the hobby, one of the Golden Ages in my opinion.
Pete Hains? I used to do a bit of "Viking" battle re-enactment with him. He was truly a giant of a man, and interesting to talk with.
I think that I prefer the old Wolfen models to the new ones.
30th episode on my 30th birthday... Today is good.
Happy birthday! :D
@@SnipeandWib :D
happy birthday ^.^
I had a Lost and the Damned army back in the day mostly made out of plastic Catachans. My big mutants were made out of all sorts of stuff, though.
yesssss i’ve been waiting for this one. i love my lost and damned army even if it is now actually lost and damned by GW
It’s weird seeing so many current chaos models in a book from 2003
*cries in Khorne Berzerker*
or.... the entire craftworld eldar line
The production quality in this episode is *chef's kiss* (this is not saying that prior episodes had lower quality, i just want to say that over time each codex compliant episode gets better and better)
All this video did was make me want a new Lost and the Damned faction. Full of heretics, Beastmen, mutants, and zombies that can fight alongside the Chaos Space Marines.
My brain has been transposing the s and r in Kasrkin for 17 years (Dawn of War’s release) and so today I learned that it’s “Kas-er-kin” not “Kar-skin.”
Thank you for this invaluable service.
I... I feel so seen... I'm almost never acknowledged as a [MYSTERIOUS CADIAN PYLON]
3rd and 4th editions were by far the best of 40k. 3rd brought us this masterpiece. 4th brought us the best Eldar codex to date and also gave us doctrines for Imperial Guard.
8:30 for a moment I thought that Wulfen on the top right was holding a fish. Love these campaign books really gets the creative juices flowing
I happened to be introduced to 40k sandwiched between two of the big GW campaigns: when the Eye of Terror had just ended, and Storm of Chaos was ramping up--one really good, and beloved by fans; the other eventually reviled. I was 12 at the time, and I could see the influence of all of these things in the local GW store, with the EoT, Armageddon, City Fight, and other great books still on the shelves, and fabulously painted armies on display. There was this feeling that I just missed the biggest party.
I own this book and I played in the GW campaign back in the day.
I still watched the whole video and thoroughly enjoyed it.
Pretty sure my campaign poster from White Dwarf is still up in my old room at my parent's.
"Reports of Chaos players cheating"
Nooooo, say it isn't so.
What? Thousand Sons players are scheming and Alpha Legion players and infiltrating loyalist groups? My goodness, how out of character!
Maaannn the Eye of Terror Campaign happened just about when I started playing 40K at school.
Regular day: too many videos uploaded from too many channels I love. Choice paralasis.
*Snipe and Wib upload*
Problem solved!
*instantly clicks*
The cover art for this book was my first time seeing anything from 40k and damn did it leave an impression!
Oh wow huh just noticed ABD is a patron of theirs.
Man, he's hella rad
Lost and the Damed was sooooo much fun to build. Was terribly sad when GW didn’t continue it into future editions. 😢
You two have come a long way from being just another let’s play channel on TH-cam.
It felt like only yesterday I was watching you play a game about kids showering with their parents and Snipe screaming "incorrect parental figure!" lol.
This can't have been 2003...thanks for making me feel so old...especially as one of the shots of players in store is from my local Games Workshop
the Necron home base map in DoW: Dark Crusade features a couple of blackstone pylons near the starting point. Just a fun surprise I stumbled upon revisiting the game...
I was very young when I played with this.
The Seer Council was absolutely amazing to run, and the Black Guardians just felt so much like how Ulthwé are described.
I loved it so much that after falling out of love with 8th and 9th I've gone back to it and just reacquired the books.
Thank you for a wonderful video.
Oh hey, I had a cameo in a way I'd never thought I would.
Maaaan the old aesthetic for the Wulfen was so much better :'(
The old metal Wulfen models were a joy. Though that was not always the case with space wolf sculpts of the day. Prime example being the old metal space wolf scouts that McVey sculpted.
Another fab video, folks! I love the kitbashed dudes - using an ork shoota sight as a wheel was a genius move on the builder’s part!
Is it just me who is also breaking out these old books to 'read' along?
this is the finest channel in all of youtube
Ah, the good old days. When the writing was good, the army lists were fun and the campaigns made sense... How times change...
Great episode y'all!
I just want to say that seeing new Codex Compliants from y'all has been a real boon during covid. Your videos have a really fun quality that just makes me happy to see more. It's been a bright spot in a garbage year so you have my sincere thanks.
I remember GW releasing a kit which allowed you to make Lost and the Damned Kitbashes which was super useful and fun
3E of 40k and 6E of Fantasy were the best ❤️
Sadly I missed this one back in the day, it was right about the time of my first break from 40K
Even on my hiatus from warhammer I'll always come back for codex compliant 🥰🥰
'.' I was playing a tiny Dark Angels army back then, felt neat feeling like a part of one of the only narrative setbacks chaos had through the whole campain
Same. I was active organizing DA players on the Bolter and Chainsword at the time. Dark Angels players made up a significant gap against chaos in the narrative campaign.
Me and my gaming buddies were at "peak 40k" around then, and a lot of fun was had fighting battles and checking the website as the campaign progressed. Good times!
My half price books has a lot of the codexes they've reviewed it was cool to pick up a few after seeing the videos I enjoyed the most
I'm sure it's my teenage nostalgia talking but Eye Of Terror era art was absolutely fantastic
My favourite bit of 40k was this campaign, and then GW just booted it out of canon, and it's sadly most well known for the massive real-world scrap that the players had, which some, myself included, believe was a deliberate attempt to mimic the setting. Such a shame.
So many fond memories of making my mutants out of imperial guard, zombies and chaos mutation sprues. 😍
I have been anticipating this one. Loved the episode guys. I remember playing a giant game in the Birmingham store for the eye of terror campaign I think there was like 10 players each with 500 points. I was using my home brew sm chapter, fighting on the imperial side. Choas won. My only surviving model was my captain.
The Lost and Damned list was sooo good and fun to convert and play. I was gutted when they lost support in 4th and ended up leaving them in the boxes and picking up Orks then.
At that time, I played a Salamanders army at the GW store in New Zealand. It was a great time for a young player like me. Great video :D
The mutants for the Lost and the Damned list, weren’t just any old conversions, there was an actual kit produced for them. And by actual kit I mean a bag containing sprues of Catachans, Ork Boyz, Zombies and the Chaos mutation sprue.
Those original Wolfen minis were so much better than the current ones, hope any Space Puppy players here snapped them up while they could.
The whole nothing changed in the timeline then years later GW did a do-over that actually moved the timeline on and was more devastating is like what happened in Fantasy with the Storm of Chaos campaign (although at least 40k didn’t get its whole setting nuked in the do-over). Also, probably worth mentioning both did actually have a small timeline progression, which GW promptly forgot about and set things back to the pre-EoT/SoC state with the Medusa V and Nemesis Crown campaigns respectively.
Regarding the cover art, I always thought it’d be kinda neat to replicate it by taking the Abaddon min, orientating the Talon of Horus the other way up and bending its fingers around a marble.
Id kill to have an actual lost and the damned model line and codex. I just settled on buying a few boxes of the blackstone ones for now.
I'm pretty sure this was the exact time I got into the hobby. I remember looking at the website frantically, so engrossed. I didn't even play any games, it was just cool to watch!
the guy who scoots himself along on a funky little wheel is made out of an ork boy torso, an ork boy right arm, an ork boy left arm, an ork boy pauldron, an ork shoota sight (the "wheel" he scoots on) and a human-esque head.
That's a lotta ork bits for a non-ork character
Still one of my favorite CC videos, now with an even cooler thumbnail
Awesome campaign. The tabletops my GW store put together were so big I had to have someone older than me help measure and move for my models because I wasn't tall enough to reach the center at the time.
The summer of 2003 was such an insane blast for me. I loved participating in the summer campaign and the long nights getting my, at the time, new Death Guard built and battle ready in time. To be 19 again.
Funnily enough, I managed to avoid all the drama of the campaign. I only played with randos and friends at my local GW store and never went near the site for Eye of terror myself. I'm still sad about lost and the damned. By the time I had made a legit playable force of mutants and corrupt guard and played maybe three games with them, the codex wasn't considered valid anymore
One of the best codex covers, ever.
That last image is used in the Risk 40K edition. Abaddon lives.
As someone who was really into the campaign when it started, I can say without a shadow of a doubt that basically no one played their 3 battles a week, the main strategy was picking which planet or part of space to attack. Yahoo groups at the time was the main place to organize and it would often be by legion (I was in the Iron Warriors one). The final newsletter does try to explain the campaign from an in universe perspective, with it basically saying "the Imperium lives because it still rules the space lanes but Chaos has a foothold on most of the planets", which is basically what happened, with Imperial players seemingly just spamming on the space lanes while Chaos players had specific targets.
That opening just gets me
I don't know how in the Warp I've missed this channel over the years, but that's not important bc I have found you now.
I took part in that campaign as an Ork, mostly I posted my BFG games because, unlike GW, I recognise that it's the best game they ever made.
I hope and pray everyday for a new proper codex for lost and the damned.
My little nostalgic heart!! I loved this book when I was a wee teen. Spend so long dreaming of how my Lost and Damned army was going to look ❤❤❤
I am sure someone has pointed this out already, but a warhammer fantasy campaign called the storm of chaos. Weirdly enough, it happened in 2004 and had a very similar outcome(a costly victory basically.) I vaguely remember someone else talking about that campaign, but I dont remember much about it or the warhammer fantasy 6e book.
I remember a few comments bringing it up on the Armegeddon codex review? Something about 40k artifact items being found in Fantasy?
@@gratuitouslurking8610 No, this was when chaos invaded the fantasy realm. I think it was the largest invasion up to that point. It shares the real world campaign aspect, yet apparently went even more poorly then the eye of terror campaign.
@@qazwer333 iirc the forces of Chaos ended up stalling early on so GW fiddled the results so they could make it to their objective of besieging Middenheim.
In the fluff they wrote for the conclusion, the climax was something like Archaon (the Fantasy equivalent of Abaddon) bested Valten (the champion of the forces of Order, but not their leader) in a duel, but then randomly Grimgor Ironhide (roughly the Fantasy equivalent of Ghazkhul) showed up, head butted Archaon, defeating him, then wandered off to find someone better to fight. Overall result was the Chaos invasion failed and Archaon retreated to a nearby fortress, but overall, like with EoT, the status quo was maintained, and over time, again like with EoT, GW rolled back the clock to just before the campaign and left the timeline stuck there.
Another banging installment. I'd love to see you guys do a codex compliant on the Legion of the Damned.
Every day with a new Codex Compliant is a good day. Bless you both in what you do!
I wholeheartedly echo your sentiment about Battlefleet gothic! This game format needs to make a comeback.
This was when I bought my first Warhammer models.
I didn't play, but I bought a few models just for hobbying. First the paint set that came with 5 push-fit space marines, then a Tau crisis suit, and then some Gaunts and Cadians that I converted to look like Aliens and Colonial Marines. (At the time, £20 would get you a box of 30 guardsmen, or a box of "gaunts" that contained 8 termagants and 8 hormagaunts).
I find it really neat that, 14 years later, background writer Phil Kelly actually picked up right at this point and made it the foundation of what the current 40k setting looks like. I cannot think of a better decision about how to advance the metaplot, and it even made previous, wonky backround material (looking at you, 12 "unseccessful" Black Crusades) better for it. But then again, most things Phil touched turned to gold.
I do miss the kind of campaign Eye of Terror was. With some ironing-out of the problems, I'd really dig it if they did something like that again.
I was running events at our FLGS at the time and we had a big 12 player game across 4 tables for our final battle of the campaign. 6 players on the main table, 1 space hulk table that was the chaos bombarding the battlefield and a table of Imperial artillery to add their own bombardment (the old guess the range for your ordnance) and 1 table that was flanking forces that the winner got to bring in some forces to the main table. Lots of fun if a bit chaotic to keep organized. And I so wanted to make a Lost and Damned force but finances were not friendly to the idea at the time.
The Eye of Terror release was so much fun. The Nurgle and Space Wolf models that came out were incredible. I remember at the time GW released a very reasonably priced mutant kit. It contained a few catachan, chaos mutation, ork and Vampire count zombie sprues. It came in a plastic bag and had enough parts to make about 16 mutants. Good times...
“Chaos is found in greatest abundance wherever order is being sought. It always defeats order, because it is better organized.” -Sir Terry Pratchett.
The way he called me a ravenous little nurgling makes me feel funny
I enjoyed playing LatD lists at tournaments for several years. I rarely used the 'big' mutants, but the regular ones (especially the Nurgle ones with T4) were amazing! Hide a CSM in the squad of 30, with a power fist, and you had a 30hp trap for anyone dumb enough to engage them. Special shout out to the fact that you could take the gibbering hordes (swarms of 'undivided' demon babies), and the (then REALLY OOP) Obliterators. I also used the squads of Chaos spawn that you could have as well. For some reason, everyone would ignore them, then they'd run over and get 18 attack on something, and all of a sudden, they were a BIG concern. :P
I used to play against friends and myself and legit played to win as each faction in BFG (ultra marines, tau, 1k sons, tyranids), Inquisitor (Which Hunter Tyrus, deathwatch Brother Artimus, Slick Devlin), Epic (Blood Angels) and 40k (Ultramarines, 1k sons and Lost And Damned Spire Guard, Tyranids, Tau, Ulthwe), and submit my wins and losses. It was amazing. When I got back into 40k I heard that they finally completed the Summer Campaign I played in, my last summer I played I was mind blown it took them so long to get this completed. I remember people in the GW forums, now Warhammer Community, trying to get people to submit bogus games and coordinating how to play and such. It was amazing! Man I miss thay
I wasn't playing the game then (I was pretty young and just wanted to paint everything that looked cool) but I was buying and reading every White Dwarf through this whole campaign, and I bought this Codex (just for the fluff basically).
What was really cool to me, being about 12, was that after bugging my parents about for for about 4 years we went to Warhammer World for the first time. I remember seeing the board with the battle they were covering in WD that was being played by a ton of people - what I'm pretty sure I remember as being the final deciding battle for Cadia? With Abbadon, Creed, Yarrick, and that awesome Ork Warboss in tank-like mega armour I can't remember the name of (I was a committed Ork collector as a kid too, I still have that model unpainted somewhere).
My sister HATED it but even my parents couldn't help being impressed. They even used a fireplace for the gates of the emperor's palace in the siege of the emperor's palace scene and there was a tiny catflap with milk bottles in front of it.
Going to Warhammer World was 100% by far my best & happiest memory of my whole childhood.
Maybe I'm remembering this totally wrong but wasn't that final battle being played by the GW staff? Or was it just on that board at Warhammer World? Anyway I should definitely dig out those old W.D. copies again.
Cheers for the memories!!!
Fun fact! I’m actually in that book. I was still a halfling and in my boy scout troop I made my pinewood derby car a predator in the colors of my home brew space marines. I was in the stand and shoot section.
I wish the Lost and Damned got a new Codex...