Ultramarines vs Orks, but told like a battle report in the 90's...
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Despite not even being alive for oldhammer editions. It's a weird faux nostalgia and fascination with the old aesthetic and janky mechanics. Love the content.
I thought I was the only one. I prefer the old 90's aesthetic of warhammer it looks way more stylized from the artworks to the models.
I'm in a similar weird boat. Like I know metal models are on the whole worse than plastic but I for some illogical reason prefer them. This gets even stranger considering my preferred 40k army is admech. Which didn't exist as an army till like 7th edition.
Right? I plan on painting my next army (goffs) retro and hell I even want to play blood angels just so I can have that snappy red. Must’ve been a great time to play
@@dickkickem4238you could definitely paint admech in a second ed style scheme. Lots of bright red. Lots of black and white checker board trim on clothing, black and bright yellow stripes on weapons etc. And those delicious goblin green and flock bases.
As someone who was alive then, the new gritty aesthetic was something I messed with at the time through darker paint schemes, washes etc, sponge weathering etc. But I still loved the gloriously bright schemes!
I utterly agree, I was an early 2000s kid with a lot of older cousins and relics from the nineties, I think I got the best of both eras… it’s been incredible :)
In those days, it wasn't polite to play to win. One ~hoped~ to win but played in such a fashion that generally indicated defeat in increasingly cinematic and hilarious ways. Fully adore these animated battle reports!
Many (mainly ork players, from my experience) still play like that. Which is why I love orks. Win or lose it needs to be fun.
Definitely a superior way to play.
This is how Middle Earth is still played at most levels. All about the cinematics.
That's how I personally like to play anything, regardless of game. Shame almost everyone is such a tryhard nowadays.
This! There is a reason the min-maxers got such a bad reputation at the local game stores. No one wanted to play against them, not because you would lose, but because of HOW they won.
Not going to lie hearing that there was a time where GW subbed their own minis put a smile on my face. Great video
It was a different age
I love that they had sub optimal lists and tactics, forgot to do stuff and proxied units because they hadn’t painted enough yet. It’s all so small scale and human. Great battle report. Love the flat colours and basic shapes everywhere. I started in 3rd but there was a lot of this stuff still around to feel nostalgic about it nonetheless. 🎉
This was my favourite battle report at the time.
This really did let us relive it.
@@wombatgirl997 when I was twelve my parents took me to Disneyland. We were all jet lagged and at 3am I was wide awake and reading the dawn raid battle report in the warhammer 40,000 battle book. I remember my dad asking what I was reading and when I tried telling him what the “imperial space marines” and “space Orks” where up to he looked at me like I was mad. I remember the face he pulled 26 years later 😆
For me it was the Rogue Trader era Space Wolves vs Orks battle report. Was impressed back in the day when they then added it to the Space Wolves Codex
Me when
Me when my commander punches the truck so hard it falls over our heads.
I miss those old battle reports in White Dwarf.
It was so awesome! Remember as a kid i was so excited every time a new issue came in the mail 😊.
Loved this, brought back some fond memories! Would definitely watch more of these if you recounted other battle reports - swear there's one soon after this where the orks finally win against marines where 90% of the ork army is obliterated but the player (think its gav Thorpe) remembers its a take and hold objective
I have a long list of them
@@OldenDemon Then I look forward to seeing them on this channel! It's really fascinating to learn about this edition and White Dwarf from before my time.
As someone who didn't have the money or community to actually play Warhammer back in the 90s, but read a lot of books, White Dwarf, and online battle reports from that time period, this is an awesome bit of nostalgia. Hope to see more of them in the future!
That’s the plan
Original razorback was a terrible design and i never used it. Also it being released before 5 man squads were allowed meant transport options were limited as it could only carry 5. could fire either the lasacannon or the two plasma guns. It is the definition of a jack of all trades being master of none.
when there was a HUGE difference between the number of models in an Ork and Space Marine army. 100 Gretchin cost the same as a devastator sqaud if recall correctly.
This was the first white dwarf I ever bought (I was 13), and it propelled me into the hobby almost entirely because of this battle report. Something about the each figure being shown by a round symbol and the vivid colours. 40k just isn’t as fun these days. I still have my ultramarine and Ork armies based almost exactly on the rosters from this bat rep. And i still have this well read copy of WD. Amazing nostalgia. Thank you for making this.
The wacky appearance of the Razorback had to do with its original roots - it started off as a Modeling Workshop customized Rhino, and the awkward looking turret was composed primarily from the front hatch cover of the Rhino kit with some plastic weapons attached to the front and some hatches put on the sides.
I love these old style batreps. It's not quite as old, but the Imperial Guard vs Tyranids game in WD 306 was my first ever introduction to the hobby, and I think it would make for a fantastic video. I believe that was from 2006 and was meant to show off the then-new 4th edition Tyranids Codex. Ever since then I have always respected the Deathwatch.
I think my fave battle report was the 4 player "Carnage" Battle Report which had Dark Angels vs Orks vs Tyranids vs Word Bearers
I remember this one ! As a guard player, I reread it a dozen times at least, even if the guard performed very badly in it ahah. The DW did like 80% of the kill at the very end of the battle.
When that vehicle flipped in the air and crushed those models, I IMMEDIATELY wanted to play some Oldhammer. 💖 Thanks for the report!
I really enjoyed this, and I imagine any GW staff from this period would love watching it. I started collecting White Dwarf with issue 193, so this is before my time, but the photographs still have that wonderful glow that permeates all Warhammer content from the early 1990's. As a youngster, I remember feeling really disappointed when an army that I collected lost a battle report, especially if that army had to wait years to get another outing. Looking forward to the next video (and hoping that you'll get around to "Civil War" from 196).
Jervis and Jake actually posed for those pictures
I liked this so much, I did my own 2nd edition style tactics video on my channel, thanks for inspiring
I use razorbacks with those turrents for my epic 40k army, there cool AF.
To be honest, I find this report more engaging than any contenporary battle, even though I'm barely old enough to remember 8e Warhammer Fantasy.
I put it down to the fact that I have no idea how this edition works. It's like watching an ordinary chess game that opens with white launching a pawn into the enemy backline where it explodes, knocking the enemy queen down to one wound.
Compared to more modern GW battle reports, I think the big difference is that nowadays GW emphasizes showing off the miniatures, whereas back then the focus was on narrating what’s happening.
TH-cam battle reports tend to vocally narrate what’s happening, but the visuals tend to be a bit chaotic and similarly focused on showcasing the terrain and armies rather than explaining the sequence of events throughout the turn or game.
@@MasterShake9000 I always go the sense that the old battle reports were a bit slap-dash with the crew putting down what was in the studio army, rolling some dice, forgetting rules, doing something that might seem cool rather than what was tactically optimal.
Over time this changed and it ended up feeling more like an advert for the latest army. They would almost always win their inaugural battle and I really started to dislike the fact that we'd have half a White Dwarf devoted to telling us how great the new army was followed by a battle report that always had them coming out on top.
Hay love your content but just a heads up "olden demon" is a nightmare name to find on youtube. I have tried to find your channel with to show friends before and failed as you tube keeps searching golden demon not olden demon.
Yes, I might add a subtitle or maybe the TH-cam algorithm will recognise me eventually
This was the edition I cut my teeth on when I was 12, didn't paint, didn't have money, and I loved every moment of it. I really appreciate the content, it is a powerful time capsule for me.
Your videos can’t come out fast enough. Love your channel. This feels like content designed for me.
Excellent, my first super fan
It makes me feel rather old to admit that I remember this battle report. Just seeing the polystyrene cactus on the map made countless memories to flood through my mind.
The battle report writing back then tended to be great, too. It was usually written by the participants and was often funny.
you should feel pride for that. regardless of how you feel about modern warhammer, i think that was a wonderful time for warhammer.
I really enjoyed this. thanks!
You were allowed to charge from a moving vehicle in 2nd edition, but depending on how fast it was going meant you were likely to take a hit from leaping from said vehicle.
omg i so remember this report.. i was so happy they got the win as I played ork right from rogue trader
300 Points for a Tactical Squad, 90 for a Commander, and 90 for a Scout Squad. The time of Rogue Trader makes current point values interesting comparisons.
Amazing what the UM where able to do with a fraction of the forces after turn 1. Also a complete waste of the assault squad in the left flank deployed in front of the enemy artillery. Really showed how the combat squad rule changed for good the flexibility of the SM army... when we were young and wild...(sigh)
Wow! It's mad that I remember this and other battle reports so well... Must've read and re read them 100s of times and they're burned into my brain, unlike 90% of the rest of my childhood!
Eldar Vs Orks with the big refinery in the centre and maybe a Take and hold objective is another one I loved. I still have a lot of these models as well, but lost more than I care to think about given the value of them these days!
(Probably doesn't need anything as a music bed after the intro. Let the battle speak for itself✌️)
Still figuring out music levels and stuff, it’s all a work in progress
this is 10 times better than the braindead card game that 40k is now
The perfect ending to a classic battle report.
I wasn't around for Oldhammer but the old models somehow manage to look goofy and badass at the same time
Mostly the game being a "grimdark parody" instead of the "grimderp trying to be grimdark" it is since the start of the millenia.
@@wombatgirl997 Lion El'jonson was just a rip off of Lionel Jonson, who wrote a poem called "Dark Angel." The Primarch of the Night Lords is just Batman with the last name of the crazy guy from Apocalypse Now. The assassin sent to kill him was M'Shen (Martin Sheen, who was sent to kill Kurze in the movie). Sly Marbo is just Sylvester ('Sly') Stallone's Rambo. There was all sorts of silly shit.
Also less funny stuff. The Imperial machine cult is taken from the Foundation Trilogy. The Tyrannids are a mashup of Starship Troopers' Bugs and Aliens movies from the late 80s. Eldar are just space elves, with the name taken from Tolkien. Chaos was straight ripped off from Michael Moorcock (and early Warhammer also included Order as their counterbalance).
It goes on.
@@wombatgirl997 Ghazgull Mag Uruk Thraka. I actually only get that now thanks to you, *31 years on*
This is beautiful. I have only played 2nd Edition in the last 20 years. I am glued to this video.
I absolutely love these! The level of analysis is impressive to say the least. Proxy techmarine - lol!
So well done, absolutely loving it. Looking forward to your next video already, please keep them coming!
By the way: any plans to branch out into WHF as well?
It’s possible, realistically there are only a finite amount of 40k battle reports
Ah, the time when playing the game was not about winning, but about having a memorable, crazy battle.
Oh man, I'm suddenly 13 again watching this, and remembering the hours I spent poring over WD battle reports. I remember this one so well. This really made my day.
Greatest content on youtube right here
Very cool and fun video. I love the battle report o-matic and you highlighting the obvious flaws in the game was hilarious. Glad I'm subscribed this early
Much appreciated!
I still have my 40k Battle Book, containing reprints of this and three other reports, and idly read it every now and then just for fun. Great work with this video, you really brought a treasured 40k memory to life.
It was a great book
Man, this has unlocked something in my brain! I started playing in the mid-90s when my best mate took me into a games workshop, and I was instantly hooked! The Space Wolf Codex spoke to me, and I've been collecting them ever since. I can probably still name the wolf guard in the space wolves vs Ork battle report in the codex 😆 really looking forward to seeing more content from this era, great work so far! Cheers!
As fun to watch as it was fun to play 2nd edition back in the day.
You make great content, well done and thanks 👏
Glad you enjoy it!
Always nice to see the boys in green take home a victory. A rare treat!
Ah I remmeber this BR. When it walked by we'd go 'Shwiiiingg!' and then we'd fall to our knees worshipping it whilst saying 'We're not worthy! We're not worthy!'. The 90's were a weird time.
The 90s have nothing on the rampant goddamned lunacy running rampant now.
You know what? Yeah, I agree that playing to win should be punished with stoning! To half death of course.
JK, I get what WD was trying to do with these. Playing to win would be improper, leave that to the try-hard tournaments.
Shock Attack Gun was my favorite Ork weapon of 2nd edition. So many clutch moments shooting those snotlings...
Like most battlereports that come out post Codex release, this one is weighted against the Marines from the beginning. I mean he spends all his points on Devastators and then leaves them completely by themselves out of cover... I mean come on... The assault marines literally did nothing the entire game. If the devastators would have gotten two rounds of shooting off they could have "devastated" (pun) the orks.
Those oldhammer Sanctioned Psyker models lol fuck me. Imagine going into battle against the horrors of 40K and next to you is some guy who looks like he just finished his magic show in Las Vegas.
This is one of few battle reports I remember. I love seeing it animated. A friend and I had hoped to do something similar but with Gorkamorka.
This is sorely lacking in the hobby, cinematic fun. It's all about meta, rules, do I have more autism than my opponent.
Recently started collecting Orks - I *demand* that GW reintroduce a "Cyboar" unit!
Boars went out of favour for Squigs it seems
I know... but the pun! THE PUN!
@@kimarous Take it further. Cyboarks.
@@dawnfire82 Cyborks are already a thing.
holy shit the nostalgia. i still have my 2nd ed tyranids codex, but i dont remember the rules and dont have the rulebook so it all looks insane to me now. :D
Loved the storytelling, didn’t really like the weird ai pics though. Feels tacky
What a brilliant video! You give context to the battle, the presentation is excellent (I love those old battle report maps, and you brought it to life), and the analysis was interesting. Subscribed!
Glad you enjoyed it, it takes a while to put one together so I have shorter videos coming in the meantime
Thank you. I really miss 2nd edition and those battke reports. This brought a couple of tears to my eyes.
could you cover the old Orks Drift ive heard so much about it but never got hold of that old WDwarf
Oh my God Emperor! This is very nostalgic!
This take me back - thanks dude!
Love seeing all those WDs in the very beginning. I recognize most of them!
Nice video. Great narration. Consider making more of these.
They are strongly considered
Please keep these videos coming, loved every minute of it.
This was the first edition of White Dwarf I ever saw and it made me want to get into Warhammer. Unfortunately the only ship was an hour and a half away and my parents wouldn't take me.
Only took another 25 years to start, but I got there in the end.
God I've been so hyped for a new video here. Let's go!
4:55 just reminded me: Wouldn't it be amazing for modern 40k to go back to using asymmetric scenario objectives again? I know, that's what Secondaries currently are there for, sorta, but I find that having asymmetric win conditions would focus the gaming experience better by getting rid of a lot of book-keeping.
what's stopping you from doing this with friends?
@Dinkledord Nothing, certainly! I would hope that it could become part of the official rules again because I haven't been the biggest fan of the 9th edition mission rules, but, yeah, one could certainly adapt 2nd edition mission cards for friendly match-ups. Just a bit of work necessary.
Please do the Guard vs Eldar report its the one that got me into a guard army with the beautiful and deadly hellhound.
It’s on the list, and pretty high up as well
I love this style of batrep!!! Please make more!
This is great, but my biggest issue with this channel is the overuse of AI images. It's ethically sketchy and sours an otherwise enjoyable video.
Attempts to get a real sausage dog to stand near an nuclear explosion were met with disaster
Love this nostalgia kick, I read the reports as a teenager when they came out and these videos are great trip back
I really hope you do orks v orks v orks 😂
This was my favourite part of White Dwarf. Many a late night reading these reports over and over! Would love to see the Warhammer (not 40k) report featuring Dragons and a Giant. Loved that one especially. Wish I had those magazine copies still.
This is a pretty sweet channel, I hope the algorithm gods show you favor.
If not, there are always the sacrifices
The out rules for the battle wagon was great, it was an open topped vehical, the only open top transport in the game at that point. The best thing about it was that as an open toped transport it could move up to 6 (7 with a red paint job) and then the boys inside could jump out and charge on there own.
this is second edition, you cant charge from a moving vehicle and no red paint job, charges are declared before movement
Terrific nostalgia trip! Maybe you could cover also battle reports from Space Marine (2nd Epic edition)? Eldar vs. Imperial Guard with a few Ultramarine allies.
Epic is a possibility but I’d need to do a ton of research beforehand
The Skaven versus Wood Elves from the late 80s, which might have been the very first battle report(?). I read and re-read that thing a dozen times. It had zoats and wardancers and jezzails and all sorts of cool, creative stuff.
40k hasn't had good rules since 3rd Edition. FACT. 40k hasn't had GREAT rules since 2nd Edition. FACT.
As someone who played 40k in 90s to the mid-aughts and is now getting back into it, I love these reports. Especially the shots of old 40k art and models.
Great commentary, thanks for the time to make this. I remember this report!
Glad you enjoyed it!
What an amazing video idea. The nostalgia vibes from this was amazing. I miss all the wacky stuff
Hi mate, love the vids so far, some wonderful memberberries. just wondering what program you use to create the old bat reps?
After Effects and Procreate for the images
I have never played any warhammer before 9th. This is really fun stuff to learn, your editing makes it engaging. Keep up the good work.
4:20
The far right mini!
I've had him for years, a friend at my local FLGS gave him and two old guardsmen to me. I've wondered for years WTF he was. I now have my answer.
Possibly a very late comment and may have been already answered, but the Tactical Marines used Frag Grenades to kill the 10 Gretchen.
Really enjoyed this. For me, 1993 - 1997 was peak GW.
Man, I miss 2nd edition. My friends and I played the hell out of that edition of 40k, more than Rogue Trader 40k.
3rd ed. was my last edition of 40k. I sold my 12,000 point Space Marine army when 4th edition came out. Never looked back... until I just watched this video. Now, I want to find another 2nd ed. box set for sale. 😆 🤣 😂
3:46
Shocked to learn that Predator prices have literally never fluctuated, £20 in 1999 is equivalent to about £42.75 in 2023, pretty much exactly what GW charges for one now.
Good old memories, as much as I loved 2nd Edition... There was a lot of dumb stuff too like the Virus stuff!!! Been an avid Ork player since 2nd Edition (And seeing the 'Ere We Go Rogue Trader book that same time). Ahhh... Must resist old man nostalgia rant and "Kids these days" ramblings!
I'd love to see a Warcraft Classic revival of this loaf-of-bread boltgun period. Having a Commander running around full of combat drugs, the various blast markers floating around and of course the Shokk gun feels so much more fun than all the self-serious grimdarkness
8.35 "Jervis must've felt pretty confident at this point, and with only 3 heavy weapons left in the Ultramarine army, and 5 undamaged Ork vehicles ready to move into their deployment zone, what could possibly go wrong?"
It could be a battle report featuring Jervis Johnson, that's where it always goes wrong for Jervis.
Yup, the Virus Grenade one of the most hated cards back then. I lost nearly half of my Eldar Army against a Blood Angels player to this card. Which was a good thing for him since if I had those guys the game would have ended much differently. With me crushing him by turn three as it was I still nearly won and would have if the game had gone on for one more turn. Eldar were very strong back then and that is why GW nerf'd them hard back in 1998.
The game was so much fun back then. Loved White Dwarf magazine. Between hyper competitive players and GW's business decisions, it was ruined for me.
“Looked like someone tipped a bag of liquorice allsorts into an ashtray full of Bombay mix..”
Lmao, such a vivid picture.
Rainbow Ork armies are the best Ork armies. Always loved the original fluff about Ork tribes being a mix of different clans depending on who the boss could bully into joining up.
Truly amazing, you're doing yeoman's work here!
This BTW is basically why I hate the new editions. These missions had ACTUAL objectives that not only enhanced but directly related to the games instead of this "have you unit stand on this anonymous pie-plate" nonsense we have now.
Love your vids. The combination of wit, insight into the game and dachshunds is the best 2nd Ed stuff I’ve seen. Make more. 😎👏👏👏
Damn, I remember reading this at the time! I remember with some fondness the Battlereport only books they did, the Epic one with Orks vs Yarrick always stuck in my mind!
I want that book!!
Hello,
I would love to see a new interpretation of the Space Wolves vs Orks Battle Report from the old Space Wolves Codex. Space Wolves were my first 40K army and love on first sight.
the Ork army back then looked llke the comedic part of the WH40K universe
I see fluff bunnies in the comments and have a message for you all:
Play the game you want to play, confrim with your opponent what type of game you are looking for (especially if its pick up and play). It's on both players to make sure they and their opponent are having fun, you cannot expect people to play a "thematic fluff" game just because you don't play competitive.
If you go to tournaments as a fluff bunny - Be prepped to be tables 6/6 times, you are at a competitive event.
Sincerely,
A dirty try hardy filthy casual
Some of those Rogue Trader models really express something rare and special. I don't know enough about sculpture to put it succinctly.
Ooh baby this is my 40k teenage years haha. I have (had?) every white dwarf shown in that intro.. precious nostalgia! Haha I haven't actually played for a looong time.
"The Tactical Squad shall draw the enemy's fire, thus allowing the Devastator Squad to attack from a position of strength"
Gotta follow the codex when you play as Ultramarines, no wonder they lost here