Anakin and by extend Luke, were clones of Sidious (and by extend clones of Sidius were actually clones of Luke). So Palpatine could have as much when he was younger. But his power deteriorated with force corruption ongoing.
The Star Wars Customizable Card Game had Han Solo with an ability level of 3, considered Force Attuned. The card for Luke as he was found on Tatooine had him also at level 3. Ever since I saw the Han Solo card, I've subscribed to the theory that it's definitely possible, though the card game had a lot of variation as far as this determination goes.
Although as smart as Han was, he might've been aware of it but kept quiet about it. Having a tough life and being a survivor, it would've given him a secret edge in combat.
My favorite crack adaptation of Midi-chlorians is that they aren't the source of force sensitivity, but a lifeform that can only flourish within the body of a force-sensitive. So the Jedi and similar organizations would measure their count as a proxy for the Force, since it can't be precisely measured directly. That's at least how I cope with the concept =P
But I mean we've seen bacteria colonies that have collective memory and "hive mind" like abilities in reality, it's not too far a stretch to imagine a microorganism that has a collective mind that spans across an entire galaxy. In fact, if you try to imagine how a single-celled species could advance into a dominant race without going multicellular, that's probably what it would look like.
@@jerotoro2021 That's not a bad idea, either. For me, that's a little too sci-fi. Star Wars (in my head canon) is more fantasy/mystical, with space. But, your idea is a cool and very plausible one - a semi-psychic esque (in terms of how they communicate) universal "mind" of sorts. Very cool idea.
I recommend reading the Plagueis novel, (or better, listening to the audiobook), as it totally redefines the concept of a midichlorian without altering what we got in the Phantom Menace.
So its possible Anakin could have been in his own 7th Tier. Remember Obi-Wan said "The Reading is off the chart. Over 20,000" This implies the chart only went up to 20,000 so Anakin could have been well above 20,000. They say Vader after his injuries could only reach about 80% of Sidious full power and Sidious was like you said pushing 20,000 so for sake of argument lets just say 20,000 on the dot which puts Vader at 16,000. So even as injured as he was Vader was still Tier 5. I feel Vader before his injuries could be 40,000, as he was as close to a "being of pure force" as one could get.
Was there a “Vader” before the injuries? I was under the belief that Darth Vader was the persona taken by Anakin based on his visage and mental state post injuries/reforming?
@@jimmyfrench4722 Well Anakin or Vader would work but since he was Vader when he burned on Mustafar I thought it best to use that persona. But since we're talking about M count and not allegiance it really wouldn't matter.
They could've done so much more with Finn. I've seen a handful of really good fan-made scripts over the years. Some really good stuff and everything better than what we got
To be honest when I went to the movies with My mom to watch the Sequel Trilogy I always liked Finn a lot. Maybe it’s cause I found him more intriguing and interesting as a character and maybe because he seemed to grow as a character a lot more than Rey did, but that’s just my opinion.
@@Pendragon667I read the Force Awakens novelization, which is essentially a prequel to Force Awakens with three sections: one for Poe, one for Finn, and one for Rey. Finn's was definitely the most interesting, and it also explained how he was able to hold his own against Kylo Ren, so it annoys me a little whenever I see someone say that it makes no sense or that he had no training, because he did have training. It's just that it was in the novelization and not the movie, which is why so few people know about it.
Finn was such an interesting character, kidnapped by the First Order, then raised and made to be a Storm Trooper, then first mission was like "Nah fuck this shit, I'm not killing innocent people." Then went on to help save the galaxy.
I believe Luke was the perfect mix of hard work and talent. He must’ve had a range between 15-18 thousand but he reallyyyyy took the Force seriously especially having Obi-Wan and Yoda in his training Also Disney would make Rey’s M count around 1 million or so 😂
Jedi Temple Instructor: "These children failed the test and won't become Jedi. Should we send them back to their homes?" Jedi Master: "These weeds aren't going to pull themselves."
5:37 in the early days of the Empire, Palpatine feared Jucasta Nu. He recognized that her unparalleled knowledge gave her FAR more power than any surviving Jedi. It was so great that she could undo the decades of planning and ultimate victory the Emperor had accomplished. Vader was tasked with hunting her down personally. However, she had long become adept at playing the long game and had a powerful vision where her efforts to impart all of her knowledge into holocrons would ultimately save the Jedi. She finished construction of the holocrons, hid them and returned to her beloved library. She took with her the one thing Palpatine was after that she had previously deleted from the Jedi archives, a list of all the potential force sensitive children in the galaxy. She confronted Vader in why the Emperor would want such a list; to find his replacement. Not wanting to be discarded he destroyed the list and killed Jucasta, thus making her Gambit in obfuscation of the holocrons successful,l. With her death knowledge of her database and it's location would remain hidde for Luke Skywalker to find, just as her force vision had foretold.
5:26 I mean a lot of people in the galaxy lived meager lives, so having their kids become a jedi initiate would mean that their kids would be provided for.
1:06 The Force was ALWAYS determined by "Biology" or rather, family line. Luke said, "My father has it, I have it, and..., my sister has it". This is a crystal clear indication that not everyone can become a Jedi. It has to be in your blood. Granted, it wasn't exactly scientific at that point in the franchise. But it was absolutely, indisputably hereditary. No one ever thought that you could just work hard and become a Jedi. At least, not until Disney decided to completely wreck the franchise. If everyone could do it with some hard work, then why did Obi Wan say that boy is our last hope? And why did Yoda respond that there was another? As in, just one more chance besides Luke? Why not just go grab some Tom, Rick or Harry off the street and train them? Oh yeah. I remember. Because the Force was ALWAYS hereditary!!!
I don't think it was always determined by biology, it's just that biology certainly seems to have an impact in it. Even in pre-disney era, we come across SWTOR which introduces Satele Shan, the grandmaster of the jedi order, and her child Theron Shan, who has no notable connection to the force to speak of, so he was not trained as or raised by the jedi. Jedi were also not allowed to have children, yet there being children across the galaxy who were force sensitive enough to be trained as jedi even if their parents or siblings weren't (I think even obi-wan had a sibling who wasn't taken by the jedi), so it can't be entirely biology
@Duckling-ws3kx "Jedi were not allowed to have children". Incorrect. Jedi were not allowed to form attachments. They were encouraged to have children. The child would be given to the Order, and the parents would treat that child like any other youngling. However, even the "Attachment" rule was broken on an absurdly regular basis. But you wouldn't have known that by watching Episodes 4-6. At that point, it would have been pretty clear that Jedi did have children. Because Obi-Wan told Luke that Luke's father was a Jedi. The prohibition against attachments wasn't mentioned until Episode 2. Then, you wouldn't find out about all the other stuff unless you read the books. In any case, it's less correct to say it was always "Biology". As I mentioned, it was always "Family line". Or "Heredity". It didn't turn into biology until Episode 1.
"The force runs strong in my family" the way he said it implicated to me that force sensitivity isnt necessarily hereditary as a definite rule ,only that it just so happens that their entire family is connected to the force
"The force runs strong in my family" A literal statement of heredity. @@germanpatis9136 : Uses a statement of heredity to argue against heredity. Poorly. Right after he made that statement of heredity, he reinforced it. "I HAVE it. My father HAS it. And my sister HAS it". He did not say that it was stronger in these three. He said they had it at all. In the books that came before the prequels, he searched the galaxy for other people that HAD it. If anyone could become a Jedi, why didn't he just stop at the nearest planet and pick up any random person that volunteered? Oh yeah. Because it's hereditary. I remember now. That doesn't mean that a random person won't be force sensitive. But that is comparatively rare compared to heredity.
Not always, Dooku was high while the rest of his family most likely weren't. Dooku's father hated anything to do with the force which is why he gave him up as an infant. I feel if anyone else in the family had a high M count he would have sent them away as well.
Not to mention, Anakin never reached his full potential before he died. I'm sure the guy is like, in his own Tier 7, next to the likes of the Celestials.
Wouldn’t Sabine have the low-tier sensitivity? Since Huyang said her M-Count is so low she’d never be accepted as a Jedi, ig it’s up to interpretation but I’d say “low” actually do means low.
That little thing was called Plot Armor... Nothing more. Generation Tech has a good video on Em Counts, Sabine would probably be in the 4500-5500 range, which (Canonically) isn't enough to touch the force, but IS enough to feel certain things through the force... Disney just changed it for no reason so now just about anyone can use the force if they "feel it hard enough" or whatever that means...
Yeah Huyang said she was the most least sensitive initiate he had seen in all his years and considering Ahsoka brought her in she might actually have been in the bottom Tier. Though Sabine did have a very secluded and suppressed personality even in Rebels, and you do need to open yourself up to truly connect to the force so it possible she could have been higher.
in my opionion, the controversy exists solely due to people wanting to keep the mystery in star wars. nope. you cant do that. we solve mysteries all the time now. for humans who has at least a 100,000 year head there, it would have been analyzed to hell by now, explaining it all.
Mhm, mhm, that's cool and all... I used to play the old Star Wars CCG back in the late 90's, and I was fascinated by it. They made cards for things and characters that only showed up for a split second in a scene or sometimes things that I have no recollection seeing at all. Characters were separated into Dark and Light sides, and were also labelled by power level and by Force Ability, which was also ranked like this, albeit from 1 to 7 (Droids did not have a Force Ability so were considered a 0 by the game's mechanics). I guess it might've just as well been 4 levels as all of the main Jedi of the original trilogy were the only ones to have a Force Ability higher than 4, such as Luke, Vader, Obi-Wan, Yoda and the Emperor. Still, even those at a level of 4 had amazing powers. Cards also helped flesh out many background elements making the whole experience of watching the movies for the first time an exciting journey for me, as I played the card game before watching the movies.
Guys I think there shld be 12 and not 6 tiers. Like there are so may more levels. So this is my take: Lvl 1: completely not sensitive (below 2500) (Chewbacca) Lvl 2: A bit force sensitive (2501 - 5000) (Han Solo, Sabine) Lvl 3: Jedi service corps (5001 - 8000) (Padawan teachers, YORD) Lvl 4: Jedi knight (8001 - 10000) (Barriss Ofee) Lvl 5: Jedi master (10000 - 11000) (Random masters killed by qimir, Tiplar, Halsey) Lvl 6 Senior jedi masters (11000 - 13000) (Vernestra Rwoh, Quinlan Vos, luminaria unduli, sora bulq) Lvl 7 Council members (13000 - 15000) (Kit fisto, agen kolar, plo koon, Saesee tiin) Lvl 8 Jedi Prodigy (15000 - 18000) (Obi wan Kenobi, mace windu, malgus, traya) Lvl 9 Jedi legend (18000 - 22000) (Revan, Yoda, palpatine, Starkiller, Nihilus, vaylin, vitiate) Lvl 10 Skywalker (22000 - 24000) (Leia, luke, jania, jacen) Lvl 11 Force god 1 (idk) (bendu, bedlam spirits) Lvl 12 Force god 2 final (idk absolutely) (ANAKIN in Ahsoka, THE WHILLS, THE MORTIS GODS, ABELOTH)
Revan in lore wasn't that strong in the force. He was a incredible leader and an above average duelist up there with people like mace but his force powers were more average. His legend and hero status come from his abilities to lead and plan Also Malgus beat his ass and both malak and revan were at most jedi knights they didn't reach the rank of master
The first time I saw Phantom Menace in Theaters and midi-clorians was mentioned I immedietly thougtht of Parasite Eve. Also I would say that since George Lucas said Luke in the EU is what Anakin would have been that would put Luke at the same or just a hair under Anakin. So if Anakin was say 21k Luke was probably 20.5k.
I grew up with SW, vaguely recall seeing A New Hope at a drive in. My friends have always consisted of SW fans. I have never heard anyone say they were upset about midichlorians giving force sensitivity. I'm sure some people do, but the first of your video makes it sound like a majority of fans were really upset about it.
reconning and legends aside, leia was luke's twin and the most force she could do in canon was float in zero g for a little bit. also, to borrow from harry potter, occlumency (vs vadar & interrogator droid)
@@c.ladimore1237 moving in zero g, while also surviving the vacuum of space. Just surviving out there was a pretty top tier ability and that's with no training.
@@SifuPaladin Leia did have training she just stopped at some point. She made it all the way too constructing a lightsaber which was typically near the end of basic training and she even beat Luke in combat. True it wasn't a real fight but she still beat him.
@@dethtrooper09 Disney made Rey the most overpowered person in Star Wars. She should have 700 midichlorians but we both know Disney would give her a million if they could
I thought in canon Sidious had 19k m and Yoda also had 18k m side note Luke probably had the same m count as Anakin as there is no proof that ones m count dwindle with each generation
One thing to note is that Obi-Wan was actually a lower tier canonically. While his overall connection to the force was deep, he couldn't use powerful force abilities the way other Jedi could, hence his need for constantly training himself and being so studious.
I have a pretty OP original Star Wars character who probably falls in the range of about 18,000, mostly because she has a strong tendency towards the Dark Side. Once she actually managed to hold her own against Darth Vader long enough to retreat.
That was a really interesting video. I did wish though you would have mentioned where in the scale some of the alien races that are naturally more force sensitive would be. Maybe an interesting follow up video?
Not to mention that perfect precision blaster shot while upside down and blind. I'll accept him as an example of level 2, but I'd say he's a high 2, if not borderline 3. Poe Daemeron is probably a 2. Finn should be a 3.
You forgot a level 0. The M count of around 1000, which meant you were pronounced useless and used as a cattle to feed the Jedi with "nutritious" food without ever knowing it. Lol, imagine a scenario where Anakin Skywalker overflows the M-count and becomes a Jedi cattle, leading to their downfall before the dark side even strengthens The chosen one came, was misdiagnosed by a robot and became a human cow 🤣
L3 was just a navigational computer which is how they made it through the kessel run and make it through imperial blockades and such all the flying is Han’s skill
Jocasta Nu was quite gifted with the force, to the point at which she made it onto the high council for a time. Appreciate the video, but I can’t stand for the Jocasta nu slander.
The entire fact that obi wan mastered the force through will. Explains that someone who is force sensitive can be trained and through connection. Its exponential
"The Force is what gives a Jedi his power. It's an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us; it binds the galaxy together."
Another point that urks me about midi-chlorians is that they are measured PER CELL. If that would be true those cells would be bursting unless those midi-chlorians are WAAAAAYYYYYY smaller than those pictures you showed suggest.
I haven't read all the comments, but I remember in the early 80s the notion going around that Han was Force sensitive, powerful even, but since he was a non-believer, he didn't even know it The Millennium Falcon could only fly because he believed in IT though, so when they had to fix it up for Lando, Chewie finally had the chance to actually fix it properly. This also explains that Han didn't shoot "first", because and EVERYONE knows, GREEDO DIDN'T SHOOT AT ALL!
After it was introduced I viewed the m count as like a different type of muscle cell. Training beats metabolism, and the right focus in training excels even more.
@ozygoliath making mitochondria the explanation for the force was just a layman's way of making the force scientific, rather than purely mystical. And, I absolutely agree that training, whether physical, mental, neurological, metaphysical, whimsical, or musical, pays dividends over relying entirely on how good your genes, or mom jeans, or skinny jeans, make one feel.
George Lucas confirmed that BOTH Luke & Leia had the same potential as Anakin MAXED OUT. If you can find a "Bench Mark" character (preferbly Palpatine), you could narrow the actual midi-chlorian counts of Yoda, Anakin, and Darth Vader (suit) George Lucas gave us some percentages during another interview explaining how much power Anakin had lost after losing to Obi-Wan on Mustafar. He states that had Anakin reached his full potential, he would have been 2x Palpatines Strength/Power. As a result of his injuries on Mustafar, Vader's (suit) maximum strength/power level is only 80% of Palpatines Strength/Power. Yodas Strength/Power is 2/3 or 66.6% of Palpatines Strength/Power when they fought in ROTS. I've always been fascinated with character Strength/Power levels when it came to Star Wars, lol.
My headcanon is the more force sensitive a person is, the more mediclorian can live in their bodies. The presence of mediclorian is an indicator not the cause.
I assure you knowing someone is probably in the corner somewhere with a rifle pointed at you doesn't require the force. It doesn't even require instinct or need to be in real life. My biggest skill in video games and real life combat is doing exactly that almost always knowing who's doing what and where based on probability. I often go even further towards looking like a jedi by predicting the bullets being fired to the point I'm almost always running through ememy lines and flanking them and then dodging the beaches of normandy because that's just what I'm best at and it gives everyone else plenty of time to do the actual fighting which I'm not always the best at due to overuse of batman tactics instead of outright slaughter.
The M Count per cell theory doesn’t make sense because it wouldn’t explain why Anakin lost so much force sensitivity when he lost to Obi Wan. Then conversely, if absolute M count WAS relevant, Sidious and Dooku would dwarf Yoda with far less body mass.
If i'm not mistaken, Vader's midichlorian actually dropped with his cybernetics, to around 15k, making him from potentially stronger than Sidious, to weaker than him, that's why the emperor was so disappointed after mustafar, and gave Vader parts that were inferior than even what Grevious used, in order to punish him for the failure. Luke i think was around 17~18k, super high, but not Prime Anakin level.
Yeah it dropped but not due to the cybernetics, due to him losing so much living tissue. The Midi chlorions need living tissue to work and channel the force.
Just had the thought: artificial addition of midi-chlorians. Like, pull some from one person's blood, add them to another. Imagine the possibilities...
Actually for some reason that doesn't work which does kind of put a kink in the whole theory. They tried putting Sifo Dias blood into Grevious to try and give him force sensitivity but it didn't work.
Pretty sure Obi Wan was considered to have the lowest midichlorian count of anyone in his class, which likely means he would’ve had a LOWER m count than that. I also believe Dooku was known to be slightly higher than that and
I would say that Leia would have had the same Force potential as Luke if she'd put her focus into her Jedi training. Seeing as she spent so much time on politics and military pursuits, she never lived up to her full potential. In my opinion.
Yeah people tend to confuse the word potential with power. A high M count means you have great "potential", but you do still have to put in the work to gain the power. It would just be easier for her than someone with a lower count.
@@vismortis Yes. She was exactly the same force potential. This is why Yoda said, "No. There is another". Meaning one other person in the galaxy could save them from the Empire. The dumb thing about that is Obi-Wan knew all about Leia. He arranged her adoption.
How do comments not know everyone is force sensitive if alive? Even Lucas said anyone can use the force, and the current canon creators said that everyone is slightly force sensitive, id imagine the more “lucky” or outstanding traits, means more force sensitive than the average person. As we know, the Jedi only took the top 1% of force sensitives in general.
I guess Wedge was in tier 2 (only fighter pilot to fly in all original trilogy movies without being shot down, something not even Luke or Vader can brag about 😁)
The reveal that the force is definitely based on midichlorians kinda ruined it for me. It would've been fine to have that float around among different theories that could neither be proven or denied, but making that canon was a bad decision.
I think it makes sense, why would no one look into it? Like they obviously are extremely advanced but the force being something never looked into seems crazy. I hate when magic is just kept as an unknowable force.
It's funny because a lot of Star Wars fanfiction have done some neat plot twists with it - One of my favorites was a KOTOR/Prequels crossover, where Revan was isekai'd into the Clone Wars era by... I honestly don't remember? The fanfic was one of those unfinished stories that only had about 70,000 words to it before the author abandoned it. But the plot twist with the midichlorians was clever, I thought. Basically, they were a disease that came into being some time between the end of KOTOR and the beginning of the movies. Infection with midichlorians actively reduces a person's force abilities - Anakin's absurd force potential was *in spite* of his super high midichlorian count, for example.
I have to disagree with you bro, Plo Koon with his insane power and skill was at least as powerful as Mace Windu if more. You have to remember Plo was the only, I repeat only Jedi to have defeated Master Yoda in a lightsaber duel and with his Electric Judgment which was extremely rare among any Jedi ever made him a straight up Beast on the battlefield.
its already been stated that Obi Wan had one of the lowest M counts of his generation and also was a part of the agriculture branch..... simple knowledge
hmm, interesting, I wonder if by the time of the sequels that Han may had begun to embrace the force more. To accept it and lean into his minor sensitivity and pull off things like the no look shot, knowing that the force was helping and it wasn't just pure luck of intuition. After everything that happened and all those years he probably would've warmed up to the truth of the force, I'm guessing.
George dropping in a quantifiable measurement of a cosmic/religious energy is probably the worst thing he did to the series. Second to selling it to Disney. Always struck me as incredibly stupid to give characters a hard ceiling for power scaling. Convoluting it even more with somehow lowering that ceiling with the loss of body when before some of the most powerful force wielders had no corporeal form. Instead of just leaving it as "some are naturally talented while others have to work harder" to reach a certain proficiency. Heck it's even written into the very character of Luke in being a man of natural talent of his father Anakin, the discipline of his first teacher Obi Wan, and the wisdom of his second teacher Yoda.
Well the whole naturally talented vs hard work still works fine as naturally talented just means you have a high M count. They state several times in the OG Trilogy the Skywalker family is naturally strong in the force. The only way the whole family could be like that is if it was somehow tied to the literal blood. The odds of Anakin, Luke, Leia, and all their kids both in Canon and EU all just happening to be naturally gifted it was to much of a coincidence, it had to be because of the blood and thus the high M count.
My guy, a changeling bounty hunter was able to hold their own against Ahsoka in the clone wars show for almost a minute, WHILE BEING AN OLD WOMAN. Finn being able to battle Kylo Ren, an overreactive Sith wannabe, is not surprising.
I’d be curious to know the M count of someone like Chirrut Imwe, as despite not being a Jedi, he seems to have some level of increased connection to the force.
Kennedy's special edition of this video: "well thats great, but my Rey is one million billion midi chlorians" ....jesus they messed up star wars sooo bad
Not necessarily. They could either be anywhere near the size of a small virus, or even smaller, which would be around protein sizes. Lets take for example, COVID-19, an infected cell could make tens of thousands of virus before dying. So likely virus size.
@@little-wytch A human cell has billions of proteins in it, so 5-20k of whatever a midiclorian is probably isn't that wild. Not sure if it's a protein or a basically seperate organism like the mitochondria, but either way there'd be room. There are other issues once we get into how they'd actually work biologically, but size/quantity probably isn't one of them.
A little known fact: after reaching 1000 years mark midiclorians mature, hatching into a hideous flesh-eating larvae which devour their host from the inside. Thankfully not even Yoda managed to live that long.
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Bane was probably in the 18-19.000s aswell
Anakin and by extend Luke, were clones of Sidious (and by extend clones of Sidius were actually clones of Luke).
So Palpatine could have as much when he was younger. But his power deteriorated with force corruption ongoing.
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I think my favorite thing about the "Han Solo Is Force-Sensitive" theory is just how utterly offended he'd be by the suggestion.
The Star Wars Customizable Card Game had Han Solo with an ability level of 3, considered Force Attuned. The card for Luke as he was found on Tatooine had him also at level 3. Ever since I saw the Han Solo card, I've subscribed to the theory that it's definitely possible, though the card game had a lot of variation as far as this determination goes.
Everyone is slightly force sensitive dude, the more “lucky” like Han, the more likely he is
Although as smart as Han was, he might've been aware of it but kept quiet about it. Having a tough life and being a survivor, it would've given him a secret edge in combat.
Facts 😅
Kinda ruins the character tho, I mean I have this same problem with alot of other franchises. Stop giving every “hero” some kind of special ability.
My favorite crack adaptation of Midi-chlorians is that they aren't the source of force sensitivity, but a lifeform that can only flourish within the body of a force-sensitive. So the Jedi and similar organizations would measure their count as a proxy for the Force, since it can't be precisely measured directly. That's at least how I cope with the concept =P
That's exactly what I was thinking! It's not a source, just an indicator
But I mean we've seen bacteria colonies that have collective memory and "hive mind" like abilities in reality, it's not too far a stretch to imagine a microorganism that has a collective mind that spans across an entire galaxy. In fact, if you try to imagine how a single-celled species could advance into a dominant race without going multicellular, that's probably what it would look like.
I like that a lot, actually.
@@jerotoro2021 That's not a bad idea, either. For me, that's a little too sci-fi. Star Wars (in my head canon) is more fantasy/mystical, with space. But, your idea is a cool and very plausible one - a semi-psychic esque (in terms of how they communicate) universal "mind" of sorts. Very cool idea.
I recommend reading the Plagueis novel, (or better, listening to the audiobook), as it totally redefines the concept of a midichlorian without altering what we got in the Phantom Menace.
So its possible Anakin could have been in his own 7th Tier.
Remember Obi-Wan said "The Reading is off the chart. Over 20,000" This implies the chart only went up to 20,000 so Anakin could have been well above 20,000. They say Vader after his injuries could only reach about 80% of Sidious full power and Sidious was like you said pushing 20,000 so for sake of argument lets just say 20,000 on the dot which puts Vader at 16,000. So even as injured as he was Vader was still Tier 5. I feel Vader before his injuries could be 40,000, as he was as close to a "being of pure force" as one could get.
I agree but I think force power incrises exponently so he probably wasnt in 40.000 but was more likely around 30.000
Defenetly in his own tier
Was there a “Vader” before the injuries? I was under the belief that Darth Vader was the persona taken by Anakin based on his visage and mental state post injuries/reforming?
@ he bacame Vader when he nealed bedore Sidius after cutting off arm of Mace Windu. But at that time there was still a lot of Anakin left
@@jimmyfrench4722 Well Anakin or Vader would work but since he was Vader when he burned on Mustafar I thought it best to use that persona. But since we're talking about M count and not allegiance it really wouldn't matter.
actually george said he was around 27000 with the twins at 24000
Technically Padme had the highest M count when she was pregnant with Luke and Leia
Probably yes
Correct. She had 46,000
It's average count per cell... It's not additive. So no.
Your mom had the highest M count when she was pregnant with Luke and Leia.
It would be cool if that's how it works. You gain force powers while pregnant with powerful force wielders.
Jeez, imagine being kidnapped by a cult at a young age only to become their gardener.
So, average cult? They do like that free labor.
Personally I find level 2 to be the most interesting. Which is why I hate that they wasted Finn's potential both in the force and in writing.
They could've done so much more with Finn. I've seen a handful of really good fan-made scripts over the years.
Some really good stuff and everything better than what we got
To be honest when I went to the movies with My mom to watch the Sequel Trilogy I always liked Finn a lot.
Maybe it’s cause I found him more intriguing and interesting as a character and maybe because he seemed to grow as a character a lot more than Rey did, but that’s just my opinion.
@@Pendragon667I read the Force Awakens novelization, which is essentially a prequel to Force Awakens with three sections: one for Poe, one for Finn, and one for Rey. Finn's was definitely the most interesting, and it also explained how he was able to hold his own against Kylo Ren, so it annoys me a little whenever I see someone say that it makes no sense or that he had no training, because he did have training. It's just that it was in the novelization and not the movie, which is why so few people know about it.
They wasted like everything😅
Finn was such an interesting character, kidnapped by the First Order, then raised and made to be a Storm Trooper, then first mission was like "Nah fuck this shit, I'm not killing innocent people." Then went on to help save the galaxy.
You missed a joke at the normal level, instead of average Joe, average Poe
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I believe Luke was the perfect mix of hard work and talent. He must’ve had a range between 15-18 thousand but he reallyyyyy took the Force seriously especially having Obi-Wan and Yoda in his training
Also Disney would make Rey’s M count around 1 million or so 😂
I would say that Luke’s m-count is about 17500 per cell. Also, Rey’s, as stated by Disney, is about 1 googolplex per cell.
*2 googolplex per cell
Luke had 23k bro
@@cyber8177I was about to say, anakin had the highest recorded at 25,000. Luke and Leia both had 23,000 but Luke actually received training
@@jacobaurand1672 thats so stupid 😂
Jedi Temple Instructor: "These children failed the test and won't become Jedi. Should we send them back to their homes?"
Jedi Master: "These weeds aren't going to pull themselves."
Jocasta nu was a council master. Finn had a midiclorian count that would’ve been accepted into Jedi order
5:37 in the early days of the Empire, Palpatine feared Jucasta Nu. He recognized that her unparalleled knowledge gave her FAR more power than any surviving Jedi. It was so great that she could undo the decades of planning and ultimate victory the Emperor had accomplished. Vader was tasked with hunting her down personally. However, she had long become adept at playing the long game and had a powerful vision where her efforts to impart all of her knowledge into holocrons would ultimately save the Jedi. She finished construction of the holocrons, hid them and returned to her beloved library. She took with her the one thing Palpatine was after that she had previously deleted from the Jedi archives, a list of all the potential force sensitive children in the galaxy. She confronted Vader in why the Emperor would want such a list; to find his replacement. Not wanting to be discarded he destroyed the list and killed Jucasta, thus making her Gambit in obfuscation of the holocrons successful,l. With her death knowledge of her database and it's location would remain hidde for Luke Skywalker to find, just as her force vision had foretold.
Plants contained midoclorians too... I can imagine that force supplements probably existed, in both good and bad forms.
Midichlorians are the PowerHouse of the cell
Anakin really be putting mediclorians into a senator
And so is han but with storm troopers 3:53
5:26 I mean a lot of people in the galaxy lived meager lives, so having their kids become a jedi initiate would mean that their kids would be provided for.
1:06 The Force was ALWAYS determined by "Biology" or rather, family line.
Luke said, "My father has it, I have it, and..., my sister has it". This is a crystal clear indication that not everyone can become a Jedi. It has to be in your blood.
Granted, it wasn't exactly scientific at that point in the franchise. But it was absolutely, indisputably hereditary. No one ever thought that you could just work hard and become a Jedi.
At least, not until Disney decided to completely wreck the franchise.
If everyone could do it with some hard work, then why did Obi Wan say that boy is our last hope? And why did Yoda respond that there was another? As in, just one more chance besides Luke? Why not just go grab some Tom, Rick or Harry off the street and train them?
Oh yeah. I remember. Because the Force was ALWAYS hereditary!!!
I don't think it was always determined by biology, it's just that biology certainly seems to have an impact in it.
Even in pre-disney era, we come across SWTOR which introduces Satele Shan, the grandmaster of the jedi order, and her child Theron Shan, who has no notable connection to the force to speak of, so he was not trained as or raised by the jedi.
Jedi were also not allowed to have children, yet there being children across the galaxy who were force sensitive enough to be trained as jedi even if their parents or siblings weren't (I think even obi-wan had a sibling who wasn't taken by the jedi), so it can't be entirely biology
@Duckling-ws3kx "Jedi were not allowed to have children".
Incorrect. Jedi were not allowed to form attachments. They were encouraged to have children. The child would be given to the Order, and the parents would treat that child like any other youngling. However, even the "Attachment" rule was broken on an absurdly regular basis.
But you wouldn't have known that by watching Episodes 4-6. At that point, it would have been pretty clear that Jedi did have children. Because Obi-Wan told Luke that Luke's father was a Jedi. The prohibition against attachments wasn't mentioned until Episode 2. Then, you wouldn't find out about all the other stuff unless you read the books.
In any case, it's less correct to say it was always "Biology". As I mentioned, it was always "Family line". Or "Heredity". It didn't turn into biology until Episode 1.
"The force runs strong in my family"
the way he said it implicated to me that force sensitivity isnt necessarily hereditary as a definite rule ,only that it just so happens that their entire family is connected to the force
"The force runs strong in my family" A literal statement of heredity.
@@germanpatis9136 : Uses a statement of heredity to argue against heredity. Poorly.
Right after he made that statement of heredity, he reinforced it. "I HAVE it. My father HAS it. And my sister HAS it". He did not say that it was stronger in these three. He said they had it at all.
In the books that came before the prequels, he searched the galaxy for other people that HAD it. If anyone could become a Jedi, why didn't he just stop at the nearest planet and pick up any random person that volunteered?
Oh yeah. Because it's hereditary. I remember now.
That doesn't mean that a random person won't be force sensitive. But that is comparatively rare compared to heredity.
Not always, Dooku was high while the rest of his family most likely weren't. Dooku's father hated anything to do with the force which is why he gave him up as an infant. I feel if anyone else in the family had a high M count he would have sent them away as well.
I thought obi wan was considered to have a low m count, which explains why he had to work very hard to keep up with the other jedi
Not to mention, Anakin never reached his full potential before he died. I'm sure the guy is like, in his own Tier 7, next to the likes of the Celestials.
Wouldn’t Sabine have the low-tier sensitivity? Since Huyang said her M-Count is so low she’d never be accepted as a Jedi, ig it’s up to interpretation but I’d say “low” actually do means low.
That little thing was called Plot Armor... Nothing more.
Generation Tech has a good video on Em Counts, Sabine would probably be in the 4500-5500 range, which (Canonically) isn't enough to touch the force, but IS enough to feel certain things through the force... Disney just changed it for no reason so now just about anyone can use the force if they "feel it hard enough" or whatever that means...
Yeah Huyang said she was the most least sensitive initiate he had seen in all his years and considering Ahsoka brought her in she might actually have been in the bottom Tier. Though Sabine did have a very secluded and suppressed personality even in Rebels, and you do need to open yourself up to truly connect to the force so it possible she could have been higher.
I don't think he was referring to her m count, but to her mental block/mandalorian upbringing which prevented her from being open to the force.
@@Dire_Pack Tech was overthinking it. He's wrong.
@@jonathancharron7360 he has basically the same video as this, but first.
“It’s over 9000!!!” - American Dubbed Vageta.
in my opionion, the controversy exists solely due to people wanting to keep the mystery in star wars. nope. you cant do that. we solve mysteries all the time now. for humans who has at least a 100,000 year head there, it would have been analyzed to hell by now, explaining it all.
Mhm, mhm, that's cool and all... I used to play the old Star Wars CCG back in the late 90's, and I was fascinated by it. They made cards for things and characters that only showed up for a split second in a scene or sometimes things that I have no recollection seeing at all. Characters were separated into Dark and Light sides, and were also labelled by power level and by Force Ability, which was also ranked like this, albeit from 1 to 7 (Droids did not have a Force Ability so were considered a 0 by the game's mechanics).
I guess it might've just as well been 4 levels as all of the main Jedi of the original trilogy were the only ones to have a Force Ability higher than 4, such as Luke, Vader, Obi-Wan, Yoda and the Emperor. Still, even those at a level of 4 had amazing powers. Cards also helped flesh out many background elements making the whole experience of watching the movies for the first time an exciting journey for me, as I played the card game before watching the movies.
This whole idea sounds like they suddenly let L. Ron Hubbard write the script.
And who's that ?
Guys I think there shld be 12 and not 6 tiers. Like there are so may more levels. So this is my take:
Lvl 1: completely not sensitive (below 2500) (Chewbacca)
Lvl 2: A bit force sensitive (2501 - 5000) (Han Solo, Sabine)
Lvl 3: Jedi service corps (5001 - 8000) (Padawan teachers, YORD)
Lvl 4: Jedi knight (8001 - 10000) (Barriss Ofee)
Lvl 5: Jedi master (10000 - 11000) (Random masters killed by qimir, Tiplar, Halsey)
Lvl 6 Senior jedi masters (11000 - 13000) (Vernestra Rwoh, Quinlan Vos, luminaria unduli, sora bulq)
Lvl 7 Council members (13000 - 15000) (Kit fisto, agen kolar, plo koon, Saesee tiin)
Lvl 8 Jedi Prodigy (15000 - 18000) (Obi wan Kenobi, mace windu, malgus, traya)
Lvl 9 Jedi legend (18000 - 22000) (Revan, Yoda, palpatine, Starkiller, Nihilus, vaylin, vitiate)
Lvl 10 Skywalker (22000 - 24000) (Leia, luke, jania, jacen)
Lvl 11 Force god 1 (idk) (bendu, bedlam spirits)
Lvl 12 Force god 2 final (idk absolutely) (ANAKIN in Ahsoka, THE WHILLS, THE MORTIS GODS, ABELOTH)
I'd actually put the Anakin in 12 and at least the son and daughter in 11. Remember Anakin was able to bend them to his will.
I didn’t think Obi-Wan had a high M count. I thought he just worked his ass off to become as great as he did.
Obi wan definitely wasn’t prodigy level. Canonically he was average in terms of his M count and force sensitivity/strength with the force.
The bedlam spirits are literally the strongest beings in Star Wars lol
Revan in lore wasn't that strong in the force. He was a incredible leader and an above average duelist up there with people like mace but his force powers were more average. His legend and hero status come from his abilities to lead and plan
Also Malgus beat his ass and both malak and revan were at most jedi knights they didn't reach the rank of master
The first time I saw Phantom Menace in Theaters and midi-clorians was mentioned I immedietly thougtht of Parasite Eve.
Also I would say that since George Lucas said Luke in the EU is what Anakin would have been that would put Luke at the same or just a hair under Anakin. So if Anakin was say 21k Luke was probably 20.5k.
To me, I immediately thought power levels from Dragonball Z. It made me groan out loud.
I grew up with SW, vaguely recall seeing A New Hope at a drive in. My friends have always consisted of SW fans. I have never heard anyone say they were upset about midichlorians giving force sensitivity. I'm sure some people do, but the first of your video makes it sound like a majority of fans were really upset about it.
reconning and legends aside, leia was luke's twin and the most force she could do in canon was float in zero g for a little bit. also, to borrow from harry potter, occlumency (vs vadar & interrogator droid)
@@c.ladimore1237 moving in zero g, while also surviving the vacuum of space. Just surviving out there was a pretty top tier ability and that's with no training.
@@SifuPaladin Leia did have training she just stopped at some point. She made it all the way too constructing a lightsaber which was typically near the end of basic training and she even beat Luke in combat. True it wasn't a real fight but she still beat him.
not canon anyways. we don't really know leias true power, and probably neither does she.
Love your channel dude you just got another sub
Im going to get my self an x-ray after this
Jango and boba were shown to be force sensitive. Which is why they were such good bounty hunters.
Can you imagine being taken from your family as a child just to be made a Jedi's secretary? 😂
Luke skywalker has 23000 midichlorians anakin 27000 darth sidious 20000 Yoda 18000 Rey 700
Don’t you know? Rey has 4,000,000
@@Neon1880 incorrect she only has 700 midichlorians (she is so weak)
@@dethtrooper09 Disney made Rey the most overpowered person in Star Wars. She should have 700 midichlorians but we both know Disney would give her a million if they could
I thought in canon Sidious had 19k m and Yoda also had 18k m
side note Luke probably had the same m count as Anakin as there is no proof that ones m count dwindle with each generation
@@howardhalldavisv In canon, nobody's specific number was given.
One thing to note is that Obi-Wan was actually a lower tier canonically. While his overall connection to the force was deep, he couldn't use powerful force abilities the way other Jedi could, hence his need for constantly training himself and being so studious.
8:08 that those below them would consider unnatural!
I have a pretty OP original Star Wars character who probably falls in the range of about 18,000, mostly because she has a strong tendency towards the Dark Side. Once she actually managed to hold her own against Darth Vader long enough to retreat.
That was a really interesting video.
I did wish though you would have mentioned where in the scale some of the alien races that are naturally more force sensitive would be. Maybe an interesting follow up video?
Love that ahsoka picture "the jedi would kidnap children" "the jedi would adopt children".😅
Could parents refuse this? Seems like a crime if it was non-consensual.
So it's like the psyker levels from Warhammer40k but less hellish (somethimes)
i have a video idea, could you do every imperial droid next episode but i loved the vid
I KNEW IT!!! I knew Han Solo was Force-sensitive. You can't fly like he did and NOT be.
Not to mention that perfect precision blaster shot while upside down and blind. I'll accept him as an example of level 2, but I'd say he's a high 2, if not borderline 3. Poe Daemeron is probably a 2. Finn should be a 3.
What about the AI in the falcon? I think it's more the AI than his piloting ability which is why rey was so good.
Also, every time Han Solo says, "I've got a bad feeling about this"... that must be the force tingles!
@@zealot491 Precisely! He is very good at sensing when the poop is about to hit the fan!
You forgot a level 0. The M count of around 1000, which meant you were pronounced useless and used as a cattle to feed the Jedi with "nutritious" food without ever knowing it. Lol, imagine a scenario where Anakin Skywalker overflows the M-count and becomes a Jedi cattle, leading to their downfall before the dark side even strengthens The chosen one came, was misdiagnosed by a robot and became a human cow 🤣
level 0: force void ( like the yuzan vong)
level 7: force entity (wills, wbw anakin, abeloth)
Basically
Ohhh so Leia getting boinked by Han & being the daughter of Vader gave her those powers in episode 8
Im pretty sure Hans flying skills came from the falcon as L3-37 was made one with the ship which most likely helped
L3 was just a navigational computer which is how they made it through the kessel run and make it through imperial blockades and such all the flying is Han’s skill
Jocasta Nu was quite gifted with the force, to the point at which she made it onto the high council for a time. Appreciate the video, but I can’t stand for the Jocasta nu slander.
The entire fact that obi wan mastered the force through will. Explains that someone who is force sensitive can be trained and through connection. Its exponential
"The Force is what gives a Jedi his power. It's an energy field created by all living things. It surrounds us and penetrates us; it binds the galaxy together."
Another point that urks me about midi-chlorians is that they are measured PER CELL. If that would be true those cells would be bursting unless those midi-chlorians are WAAAAAYYYYYY smaller than those pictures you showed suggest.
I haven't read all the comments, but I remember in the early 80s the notion going around that Han was Force sensitive, powerful even, but since he was a non-believer, he didn't even know it
The Millennium Falcon could only fly because he believed in IT though, so when they had to fix it up for Lando, Chewie finally had the chance to actually fix it properly.
This also explains that Han didn't shoot "first", because and EVERYONE knows, GREEDO DIDN'T SHOOT AT ALL!
After it was introduced I viewed the m count as like a different type of muscle cell. Training beats metabolism, and the right focus in training excels even more.
Tai Chi: training means LOWERING YOUR METABOLISM!
@paradoxworkshop4659 Yes but my comment still stands, training beats relying purely on your "natural" metabolism
@ozygoliath making mitochondria the explanation for the force was just a layman's way of making the force scientific, rather than purely mystical.
And, I absolutely agree that training, whether physical, mental, neurological, metaphysical, whimsical, or musical, pays dividends over relying entirely on how good your genes, or mom jeans, or skinny jeans, make one feel.
Don't forget about all the times Han Solo said he "had a bad feeling about this". Likely a faint hint of precognition of danger.
George Lucas confirmed that BOTH Luke & Leia had the same potential as Anakin MAXED OUT.
If you can find a "Bench Mark" character (preferbly Palpatine), you could narrow the actual midi-chlorian counts of Yoda, Anakin, and Darth Vader (suit)
George Lucas gave us some percentages during another interview explaining how much power Anakin had lost after losing to Obi-Wan on Mustafar.
He states that had Anakin reached his full potential, he would have been 2x Palpatines Strength/Power.
As a result of his injuries on Mustafar, Vader's (suit) maximum strength/power level is only 80% of Palpatines Strength/Power.
Yodas Strength/Power is 2/3 or 66.6% of Palpatines Strength/Power when they fought in ROTS.
I've always been fascinated with character Strength/Power levels when it came to Star Wars, lol.
Yoda was higher than that.
@deckzone3000 Not if George Lucas said "Yoda was 2/3 the power of Darth Sidious."
My headcanon is the more force sensitive a person is, the more mediclorian can live in their bodies.
The presence of mediclorian is an indicator not the cause.
Do not forget about the force level of Sabine Wren when she was capable to push Ezra to the Thrawn’s StarDestroyer
Like Sabine, if Han had undergone rigorous training, he likely would have the capability of touching the force.
I assure you knowing someone is probably in the corner somewhere with a rifle pointed at you doesn't require the force. It doesn't even require instinct or need to be in real life. My biggest skill in video games and real life combat is doing exactly that almost always knowing who's doing what and where based on probability. I often go even further towards looking like a jedi by predicting the bullets being fired to the point I'm almost always running through ememy lines and flanking them and then dodging the beaches of normandy because that's just what I'm best at and it gives everyone else plenty of time to do the actual fighting which I'm not always the best at due to overuse of batman tactics instead of outright slaughter.
“I have a bad feeling about this” -Han Solo
I 100% believe he was SLIGHTLY attuned.
You could also call level second in the list the lucky level
Obi Wan probably has the highest power per midicholrian rate in all of star wars
wait nvm it's probably Plo or Fisto
Lando Calrissian more like Lando Calrizzian😂
The M Count per cell theory doesn’t make sense because it wouldn’t explain why Anakin lost so much force sensitivity when he lost to Obi Wan. Then conversely, if absolute M count WAS relevant, Sidious and Dooku would dwarf Yoda with far less body mass.
If i'm not mistaken, Vader's midichlorian actually dropped with his cybernetics, to around 15k, making him from potentially stronger than Sidious, to weaker than him, that's why the emperor was so disappointed after mustafar, and gave Vader parts that were inferior than even what Grevious used, in order to punish him for the failure.
Luke i think was around 17~18k, super high, but not Prime Anakin level.
Yeah it dropped but not due to the cybernetics, due to him losing so much living tissue. The Midi chlorions need living tissue to work and channel the force.
Just had the thought: artificial addition of midi-chlorians. Like, pull some from one person's blood, add them to another. Imagine the possibilities...
Actually for some reason that doesn't work which does kind of put a kink in the whole theory. They tried putting Sifo Dias blood into Grevious to try and give him force sensitivity but it didn't work.
@@digitaladventurer2142probably similar organ transplant failure, similar to why I don’t qualify for organ transplant 🫤🙁
Finn is a trained soldier, he's probably used weapons similar to a light saber before.
Then begs the question is it possible to synthetically produce more cells that increases force sensitivity.
Pretty sure Obi Wan was considered to have the lowest midichlorian count of anyone in his class, which likely means he would’ve had a LOWER m count than that. I also believe Dooku was known to be slightly higher than that and
The level one Jedi in thumbnail looked like Markiplier
Wouldn’t Leia also be at the same power level of Luke?
I would say that Leia would have had the same Force potential as Luke if she'd put her focus into her Jedi training. Seeing as she spent so much time on politics and military pursuits, she never lived up to her full potential. In my opinion.
@@Agate53115 Yeah she and Luke had the same potential as Anakin but she never fully committed to her training.
Yeah people tend to confuse the word potential with power. A high M count means you have great "potential", but you do still have to put in the work to gain the power. It would just be easier for her than someone with a lower count.
@@vismortis Yes. She was exactly the same force potential. This is why Yoda said, "No. There is another". Meaning one other person in the galaxy could save them from the Empire.
The dumb thing about that is Obi-Wan knew all about Leia. He arranged her adoption.
How do comments not know everyone is force sensitive if alive? Even Lucas said anyone can use the force, and the current canon creators said that everyone is slightly force sensitive, id imagine the more “lucky” or outstanding traits, means more force sensitive than the average person. As we know, the Jedi only took the top 1% of force sensitives in general.
I guess Wedge was in tier 2 (only fighter pilot to fly in all original trilogy movies without being shot down, something not even Luke or Vader can brag about 😁)
The reveal that the force is definitely based on midichlorians kinda ruined it for me. It would've been fine to have that float around among different theories that could neither be proven or denied, but making that canon was a bad decision.
I think it makes sense, why would no one look into it? Like they obviously are extremely advanced but the force being something never looked into seems crazy.
I hate when magic is just kept as an unknowable force.
It's funny because a lot of Star Wars fanfiction have done some neat plot twists with it -
One of my favorites was a KOTOR/Prequels crossover, where Revan was isekai'd into the Clone Wars era by... I honestly don't remember? The fanfic was one of those unfinished stories that only had about 70,000 words to it before the author abandoned it. But the plot twist with the midichlorians was clever, I thought.
Basically, they were a disease that came into being some time between the end of KOTOR and the beginning of the movies. Infection with midichlorians actively reduces a person's force abilities - Anakin's absurd force potential was *in spite* of his super high midichlorian count, for example.
I have to disagree with you bro, Plo Koon with his insane power and skill was at least as powerful as Mace Windu if more. You have to remember Plo was the only, I repeat only Jedi to have defeated Master Yoda in a lightsaber duel and with his Electric Judgment which was extremely rare among any Jedi ever made him a straight up Beast on the battlefield.
I would say Revan and Bane would be two who are close to Anakin on the scale, Vitiate too
Most people were completely Force blind. Han Solo was Force Blind unless this is canon.
its already been stated that Obi Wan had one of the lowest M counts of his generation and also was a part of the agriculture branch..... simple knowledge
hmm, interesting, I wonder if by the time of the sequels that Han may had begun to embrace the force more. To accept it and lean into his minor sensitivity and pull off things like the no look shot, knowing that the force was helping and it wasn't just pure luck of intuition. After everything that happened and all those years he probably would've warmed up to the truth of the force, I'm guessing.
I believe that Finn had STRONG force sensitivity and Ryan Johnson killed the idea.
4:40 she did do a force push in ahsoka
So where do Bendu and the Ones fit on this scale?
I mean....nice video, nerd.
Clearly Rey, being “all the Jedi” must be in the 30-40k ballpark. At least that what Disney keep trying to tell me.
7:11 Plo Kloon was higher than that, probably the next tier.
Apparently Han’s m count is 6,500
I swear man, the people saying "Jesus is king" and then spamming a bunch of cross emojis gotta be the most annoying people.
Bots.
@brankin421 I know 😭
The christian god has the worst fan base, hands down.
What? They're just routing for Obi-wan lol.
@@ArtyfierWho's here on X date are up there as well. Always at top too
George dropping in a quantifiable measurement of a cosmic/religious energy is probably the worst thing he did to the series. Second to selling it to Disney. Always struck me as incredibly stupid to give characters a hard ceiling for power scaling. Convoluting it even more with somehow lowering that ceiling with the loss of body when before some of the most powerful force wielders had no corporeal form. Instead of just leaving it as "some are naturally talented while others have to work harder" to reach a certain proficiency. Heck it's even written into the very character of Luke in being a man of natural talent of his father Anakin, the discipline of his first teacher Obi Wan, and the wisdom of his second teacher Yoda.
Well the whole naturally talented vs hard work still works fine as naturally talented just means you have a high M count. They state several times in the OG Trilogy the Skywalker family is naturally strong in the force. The only way the whole family could be like that is if it was somehow tied to the literal blood. The odds of Anakin, Luke, Leia, and all their kids both in Canon and EU all just happening to be naturally gifted it was to much of a coincidence, it had to be because of the blood and thus the high M count.
I always felt like the man just binged Toriyama's work and decided to lift the idea, like he did with all sorts of other sci-fi.
DISNEY storm troopers those are! George Lucas troopers they are not. Good aim ‘they’ have. -totally not yoda
My guy, a changeling bounty hunter was able to hold their own against Ahsoka in the clone wars show for almost a minute, WHILE BEING AN OLD WOMAN. Finn being able to battle Kylo Ren, an overreactive Sith wannabe, is not surprising.
I’d be curious to know the M count of someone like Chirrut Imwe, as despite not being a Jedi, he seems to have some level of increased connection to the force.
Kennedy's special edition of this video: "well thats great, but my Rey is one million billion midi chlorians" ....jesus they messed up star wars sooo bad
Obi-Won Kenobi is the ultimate underdog.
per cell? they'd have to be sub-atomic in size for 5k per cell. nevermind 20k, wouldn't they?
Not necessarily. They could either be anywhere near the size of a small virus, or even smaller, which would be around protein sizes. Lets take for example, COVID-19, an infected cell could make tens of thousands of virus before dying. So likely virus size.
@@little-wytch A human cell has billions of proteins in it, so 5-20k of whatever a midiclorian is probably isn't that wild. Not sure if it's a protein or a basically seperate organism like the mitochondria, but either way there'd be room. There are other issues once we get into how they'd actually work biologically, but size/quantity probably isn't one of them.
A little known fact: after reaching 1000 years mark midiclorians mature, hatching into a hideous flesh-eating larvae which devour their host from the inside. Thankfully not even Yoda managed to live that long.
It is not the size of your miticlorians that matter. It is how you use it.
Darth Raven also has a ver high MidiChlorian count
Obi-Wan had the lowest count ever recorded in Jedi history
Only M-count we know of in canon is Anakin's. He had over 20,000. All others is speculation.
In legends all skywalkers have the same m count, so Luke and Anakin were equal
Kidnapping implies that it was without the parents consent.
7:18 plo koon was not that low
So you’re telling me… that to be considered as a potential Jedi… you had to be… over 9,000?
I love the scientific explanation of something which don't exist😂