Race The Tube - Thameslink vs The Northern Line
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- Inbetween Kentish Town and Elephant & Castle you can either travel on the Northern Line, or using Thameslink. TfL's Tube Map only shows the Underground service, but we think it might be quicker not to use the Tube! Time to find out ...
Andy (Calling All Stations) joined up with me and brought his friend Victoria along as well, you can watch what happened to him over on his channel: • Calling All Stations v...
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The look on Geoff's face when he hears the doors won't open 😂
Simon S. 4:20
Simon S. please
thats actually a bug in the train system.. those first class doors on the rear do open at plt 4 at E&C
4:19
I know it said that for me I heard the door sound and walked to them and they opened 😂
The Northern line is more reliable & consistently on schedule. If you have time & comfort is a necessity, definitely the Thameslink.
What you mean those ironing board chairs?
@@taipizzalord4463first class are amazing seats and standard class are good seats
@@DissmashFirst Class are amazing seats? I think you never sat on those things. They look comfy, but they aren‘t comfy at all.
@@mijos3 it’s just my opinion, jeez
@@mijos3they really are great, better than the ugly hard padding you get on the mk3 and old steam trains
Purple train, purple train...Purple train, purple train...
I heard that when I saw your comment
Someone needs to record this
Purple train do do do ro do do, Purple train do do do ro do, Purple train...
Thameslink is fully air conditioned while the Northern line is hot, crowded, dirty and old.
On a side note please do a Thameslink vs Southern+Victoria Line video from East Croydon to Finsbury Park
京O電鉄 same for the jubilee and probably the central line
You've never been on the train during rush hour.
Doesn't matter if they is air-conditioning cause there are so many people, it makes no difference.
I've personally Never done kenish or whatever to elephant but I go from Bellingham to elephant. It's not comfortable in the morning, no where to sit and is super packed. If there was a tube id rather take that cause if I barely miss the train, I'm not waiting ten, twenty minutes for the next one
I don’t know why people boycott the northern line and these deep tube hellhole lines
@@colonelcider8292 I travel by Thameslink to get to Bankside area or London Bridge on weekends, far less stressful than the tube from Kings X
@@suburbia2050 I'm not saying that the tube during rush hour isn't bad.
I'm saying that the Thameslink line isn't so much better.
The dude made it out like the Thameslink line is amazing when it really isn't
Having Clarkson in the pub sipping on a cold beer, laughing at Geoff, with a Veyron parked outside would have been a nice touch. The final scene? The Veyron being towed away causing an enraged Clarkson.
super unrealistic as with a Veyron, even going with 406 km an hour (it's highest speed), Clarkson would still get beaten by all 3 of them...as you simply cannot drive in London anymore
if you've only watched Geoff's video, watch Andy and Victoria's as well - the contrast is amazing! Geoff sits calmly in air-conditioned comfort, on an empty train, whist the other two have a classic Northern Line experience. I'm never likely to make this journey, but if I did, I'd go Thamselink, even with a 15 minute wait!
I agree Thameslink should be on the Tube map, someone needs to tell TfL to stop being parochial, and think of what's useful for travellers in London, rather than just promoting their services
Maybe so, but then at that point what about the other National Rail services? At which point you might as well just get rid of the Tube Map and only use the London Rail Services map...
fetchstix What a brilliant idea!
Thameslink is different though, as a high frequency service running through London. More useful to include on a Tube Map than say Overground services to Cheshunt or West Croydon
I think they should have a shadow line for national rail services, implying where do the lines go, especially for Thameslink
Needs to be nationalised to get its spot on a TfL map.
The tube because (as a regular Thameslink passenger) half the trains are either cancelled, delayed, or not even on the timetable anymore...
Michael Longstaff few times my Thameslink trains decided to go in the opposite direction to what was advertised:)
find a woman that looks at you the way geoff looks at a crossrail roundel
🤣🤣🤣
Mario yes
No way, too much passion, you’d never get a night off,
@Mario Possibly locosexual.
@Mario metrosexual
Geoff, did you just say Thameslink ran to a timetable!?
......
Thameslink ran to a timetable, once. It was a long time ago, but I swear it did happen :D
It's getting better. I think they made a new timetable to match what they'd actually been doing.
In theory, there is no difference between theory and practice.
In practice, there is.
They do, it’s just that the staff who made the timetable Thameslinked themselves too and now the entire route is delayed.
That’s right, right? Tell me if I’m wrong.
Would have loved it if straight after the race began, Geoff's Thameslink train was cancelled. Clear winner is always Northern Line.
Thats the realistic part. *this train has been cancelled due to a shortage of drivers*
"Elizabeth Line opens December 2018" LOL
2021 calling: this has not aged well....
Wow, it's been way too long since i was in London, last time i was there Blackfriars bridge was just a dirty mess, now it's a smart looking station!
well it did have a huge renovation done in the late part of the last decade / early part of this I think
Not a lot in the way of facilities but got to be one of the best views from a station.
"...I only want to see you laughing on the Purple Train.... Purple Train, Purple Train..."
Thanks for a fun video there's nothing like a little bit of friendly rivalry :^) and those background views of the now demolished Elephant and Castle shopping Centre bring back memories.
I live in Croydon and regularly catch trains to the North, from Kings Cross.
I can never work out whether it’s quicker to get the Thameslink from East Croydon to St Pancras International or Southern to Victoria, then the tube to Kings Cross.
Another race? :)
If the Thameslink train is travelling via London Bridge; then Thameslink. If the Thameslink train is travelling via Elephant and Castle, then the Victoria Line would be quicker from Victoria.
Whichever comes first really. The victoria line is frequent enough being around every 4 minutes so Victoria isnt a massive issue. Thameslink is direct so you dont have to get up and more comfortable than the victoria line, with more space, quieter and comfortable seats, first or standard. So yeah
Geoff: 24 minutes
Andy: 27 minutes
Victoria: 28 minutes
So I decided to do this myself using all methods! The quickest way to do the journey is Northern Line, Bank Branch, change at Euston, cross platform interchange to the Victoria, change at Oxford Circus, cross platform interchange to the Bakerloo. Of course, this relies on just catching trains, and the Bakerloo can let this down. BUT, if one can get off one train and straight onto another, it is the quickest!
Warren Moore But you don't get that nice view from Blackfriars!
but the thameslink keeps you seated!! That sounds exhausting
NEXT RACE: West Hampstead -> London Bridge (Thameslink vs Jubilee)
Jack Thornton jubilee wins
@@travia6688 Is this a guess, or have you tested it?
Jack Thornton it is a guess but jubilee line is the fastest underground train so I'm assuming it would win.
@@travia6688 it has fewer stops
Actually have tested this one, and there wasn’t really much difference from my experience. Jubilee line had more stops in between. Both took about 20 minuets to get from one end to the other.
I'd always pick the Northern line as I love the tube and the Northern line is my favourite tube line. Plus there might be a chance to ride the Kennington loop and... Mornington Crescent!
Hi Geoff. When the London travel restrictions are lifted, I think you should make another episode of “Which Is Faster?”... when I lived in London last year I had a friend who commuted from West Hampstead Thameslink to his office near Blackfriars. One day, ThamesLink was suspended for whatever reason, and instead he took the Jubilee Line from Kilburn (which was nearer to his flat than West Hampstead Thameslink) to Waterloo, then walked to his office. And it’s got me thinking...
Whilst the Jubilee Line doesn’t go to Blackfriars and ThamesLink doesn’t go to Waterloo, they do both run from West Hampstead to London Bridge. So maybe “ThamesLink vs. Jubilee Line” might be in the pipeline in the future?
Many thanks, your content has been keeping me entertained during this mad year.
Stay safe! Joey.
Euston to Queens Park offers a choice between London Overground (typically every 20 minutes) or District/Circle then Bakerloo. It's pretty much worth waiting for LO even if you've just missed one.
I love watching videos like this, which is quicker.. by like 2 minutes! its just a different world in London! 🤣 Here in Rural East Yorkshire we have a bus twice a day that takes you on an hour journey to the nearest train station where once an hour (if we're lucky) we get a 2 car refurbished 150 to the nearest City 🤣🤣
I love the new Thameslink trains
That Nutter I miss the sound of the 319s though
dronespace move to manchester/Liverpool they are there now
Race suggestions:
1) Harrow-on-the-Hill to Baker Street (Chiltern + Bakerloo line vs Metropolitan line)
2) Farringdon to Abbey Wood (Elizabeth line vs Thameslink)
3) Hammersmith to Aldgate East (Hammersmith & City line vs District line)
4) Moorgate to Waterloo:
Northern line to Bank + Waterloo & City line to Waterloo
Circle line to Embankment + Bakerloo/Northern line to Waterloo
Elizabeth line to Bond Street/Tottenham Court Road + Jubilee line/Northern line to Waterloo
I love “train stuff” ...can’t get enough! Love watching you guys, especially on the Tube...brings back happy memories of my anorak years!
"It's worth noting what has appeared on the carriage diagrams here on Thameslink trains, can you see it?"
Ah you were such an innocent little boy Geoff back then... but at least it's open now, three and a half years later!
Thameslink is faster... If it is not disrupted!
I work nearby and I may have seen you guys outside the "pub" 😁.
I watched your video Geoff and Andy video at the same time!! It was intense to watch them both at the same time! Great video Geoff and also IF Andy sees this comment great video as well, one of the best races that I've seen for a long while.
I love all the videos on this channel - cheers Geoff!
Purple train, violet line, Geoff? Good to see Andy from calling all stations!
shoutout to the kickass Empanadas in Elephant and Castle; Leños y Carbon
Yay!
Happy memories of doing this sort of races on the Saturday red rovers in the early 1960s with my late brother and his friend in one team and me and my friend in the other.
Next time I am in the UK (London), will do these races again, I am wondering if number one son, grand daughter and wife would be up for it? Hope so.
Thank you for reviving some great memories!
John in Ontario
John Murray You will need to study the maps - lot more connections available these days!
Amazing video! Really enjoyed this!
Keep coming back to these because I’ve found myself now doing it in Edinburgh😂 there’s now two direct ways to get from the Airport to Ocean Terminal with the tram extension and Skylink. Maybe one you could do? Could even provide local knowledge and or a competitor 😉
I actually stopped your video when you got to the pub, and watched Andy's video to the end, then came back to finish yours.
On Farringdon the train changes power from 750V DC supply to 25KV AC supply.
That was great. I watched both almost at the same time. Fun stuff. Do more of these
My money is on Geoff...if I had money...
Watched both. Excellent! Kind of like the top gear races!
My favourite north to south hack on the northern line is to change to the Vic!
Great video! I’ve been on the Woolwich Arsenal line but the train got diverted via New Cross as there was a trespasser
4:10 isn’t Blackfriars station the one Ethan Hunt parkoured across in Mission Impossible: Fallout?
Yes it is!
DeadlyAviator Amazing!
the building he jumps from is at the north end of the platform. Blackfriars rail station offers by far the most spectacular views, either side!
U could also do it between West Hampstead and London bridge
Dan Smith think would be quicker on jubilee. Also only 1 or 2 trains direct trains to LBG an hour?
Since the May timetable change there are at least as many TL trains to London Bridge as to Elephant
I recently travelled from Tate Modern to KX St Pancras. The time difference was very small between walking to the Northern, crossing the river to Monument for the Circle, and Thameslink from 'the bridge. In the end I used Thameslink cause I wanted to try it out and it's technically the most direct
Suggestion for another race: when Crossrail opens, try Stratford to Ealing Broadway using Crossrail vs the central line
Which is quicker from Hammersmith to King's Cross. Hammersmith & City or Piccadilly?
Also is that your voice at 3:12?
Magnum Colclough no it isn't but Geoff recently met the person whose voice that is
I'm glad I wasn't the only one who thought that at first
Thats a good idea, Geoff should do this.
Simon S. who?
Circle/ Hammersmith & City: 25min
Piccadilly: 28min
I've been delayed too many times by the Thameslink trains bring late or cancelled. I always choose the tube for the reliability! (Especially on a cold winters night when I just want to get home!!!)
Considering Geoff departed 1 minute after, and even though Thameslink looks like a more direct route with less stops, the times are somehow this similar? That's... surprising... (I'm not from London).
Thanks for all the vids ^^
Glad you like them! thank you - very kind.
The friend has an MTV t-shirt with the old logo. She definitely knows what she's talking about... Trains and best music channel ever pre 2003.
District Line v Thameslink - Blackfriars to Wimbledon (Could also add a South Western to Waterloo option and walk to Blackfriars)
Yes ...at 06:16...the 2 exits at elephant n castle are confusing...!!! 😂👌
DoubleDeckerAnton
Any new uploads?
😂
TfL should start assigning letters or numbers to station exits like modern metro systems!
@@koninkrijkc8559 Though that could end up with situation like Helsinki where there’s a sign reading ”Exit A-D, I, O, S”
Used to commute Westham into city. C2C vs District Tube. C2C so much more pleasant even though I had to time it right and walk further. Noise, rattling A/C daylight, smells, less time on train, all matter on a commute.
It’s back on the tube map!
I was once challenged to come up with words that sound like villages in England, but aren't. I came up with "mildew" and "crapping".
Geoff ! I wait at that Farringdon sign every weekday to get a Brighton Service...It would have made my day to find you in declassified 1st Class !
Were you alluding to a hit by Prince?
"Purple train, purple train…"
The best thing about this video is it shows the rabbit-warren disadvantage of taking the tube. Like cramming matches into a box getting on, and spilling them all over the place getting off. The exit signage in the tube is there first and foremost for efficient disengorgement of the passengers, not necessarily to point you to your optimal exit - and this video shows that even experts get foxed by it..
In any case subject yourself to that if a comfortable service gave you a view of the river too? Now Thameslink will run 24 trains / hr - through the core - its as good as turn-up & go. Please say hello to Andy. He's gone quiet and I hope he's OK. T
Meanwhile, in the north, Can you run faster than the bus?
4:15 *”Due to a short platform at the next station, The doors in this coach will not open. Please move forward to alight from the train.”* *(Please listen for further announcements)*
just come here after the all calling stations video. so glad thameslink won especially with all that money spend on it. new trains and more TPH
It’s so weird I used to walk there everyday 😮 great video as always!
The first Nation Rail stations to have contactless card readers were on the Kentish Town to Elephant and Castle section of Thameslink. Also until recently (covid) you could use a senior citizen Freedom Pass 24hrs a day. I assume this was to take pressure oiff the Northern Line.
Discovering Thameslink connects Farringdon to Gatwick opens up my airport options from Aylesbury. Children line to Amersham, Metropolitan Line to Farringdon, Thameslink to Gatwick. Simples!
All Luton/St Albans - Sutton/Wimbledon Thameslink services have First Class declassified. There are no First Class provision or even any First Class tickets issued for Luton/St Albans - Sutton/Wimbledon Thameslink services. This was also the case when Class 319 operated on this route. You could have gone to the First Class cabin at the front of the train!
Kind regards, Peter Skuce
(Geoff - add Andy's link in the corner pls!) Well done Andy and Victoria - great effort.
Only ever used Thameslink two or three times. Once from Blackfrairs to Wimbledon and twice Wimbledon to City Thameslink ...either way, it took an age.
Looked like fun in a stressful sort of way
Rewatching after TfL put Thameslink back on the tube map.
The tube map is very messy now though.
You Should Do Central Line VS District Line From Mile End To Earling Boardway
it is Ealing Broadway
Central should be about 8-10 minutes quicker
I see that unusual hot summer in Britain is over, isn't it?
nope. still going but not quite as extreme
Miguel Angel Tomé Until the next ones.
The only "tube challenge" where Geoff didn't need to run XD
Mochamad Fachri no he did walk the tube
yeah but ain't any challenge in it. not as high as what they attempted in this video even (you should watch the other side from CAS, you'll get what I mean).
Mochamad Fachri yeah i do know what you mean yeah i knew that i was joking
@Geoff Marshall, you did'nt visit Chilean stalls in the Elephant very interesting.
London hub for for the guests from Chile.
Hehe the Elizabeth line opening date was a bit optimistic wasn't it 😁
Great video Geoff and I went on Thameslink yesterday and it was quite fast if you get the quicker train as there is one that goes around Redhill and Coulsdon or one that goes straight to East Croydon. London Bridge looks great after the work that took place. I think Thameslink should be put on the map as after all the work that's been put into it deserves to be promoted on the map to increase passengers. Crossrail and London overground are on it but they are TFL so maybe TFL just want to keep national rail off the map.
Get the London rail services map
I actually really like it when I get to come out of the wrong exit.
My travel is also complex. I need to get from Greenwich maritime to Finsbury park. I take instead of DLR to bank and northern to kings cross. But is faster to get to Greenwich and get Thameslink and drop off at London bridge and take northern afterwards or take overground from Shadwell.
3:32 #PurpleTrain x4
I always get Thames -link to and from herne hill and city Thames-link every working day much quicker and less crowed and hot than the Victoria line and the central line. 😁
You should gather 5 people and do Farringdon to London St Pancras International, subsurface has 3 people, elizabeth line and thameslink, and maybe meet at kings cross as its closest to the circle, met, hammersmith line which will obviously be the longest so give it a bigger chance of winning
I think most of the time going south Kentish Town and Elephant & Castle only has the four Sutton trains per hour on Thameslink.
Because of the unreliability of Thameslink, it has usually been quicker by tube in my experience. I got caught in a half hour delay after leaving London Bridge for St Pancras recently! Thankfully I was in the declassified 1st class, and got plenty of delay repay...
Kentish Town is the sneaky Thameslink stop that everyone in Camden Town secretly uses
I think there should be three available maps - a Tube Map, which has Underground services only, a TfL map which has the Underground, DLR, Trams, Overground and Crossrail lines and an "All Services" map which has all of the above lie and has National Rail services within the Greater London area and which link up with TfL services.
Should do a Farringdon to Abbey wood race now. Which is quicker Elizabeth line or Thameslink
Looks like fun!
We do a similar race from West Hampstead to Farringdon almost daily... Better to get the air-conditioned Thameslink trains...
Good morning Geoff!
I was hoping the tube would win but then again I'm glad Geoff won.
Maybe I'll have to change my profile pic to a Thameslink logo!
Does Thameslink have a logo?
Idk...
Of course every second Northern Line train goes by Bank at Kentish Town, which means there is a bigger gap between trains then most of the other Underground lines.
Ever thought of visiting Toronto and racing RW_Transit? I've been on the TTC, that might be interesting.
In December 2020 Thameslink was back on tube map
I’m thinking of doing “Which is faster? Metro or Northern” between Newcastle and Sunderland :)
I think this needed expanding and see which is faster Thameslink or Northern line all the way to Morden?
Northern Line , add26 mins from E&C. TL to Morden South takes an eternity after E&C.
Your telling me I can get from Stevenage to London Bridge faster and not be cramped inside a toilet on wheels? 🤔 🤣
The trains look quite clean, I saw a first class sign, on a subway?
“The thameslink and northern line both go to Elephant & Castle!”
The bakerloo line: I’m just a hAlLuCiNaTiOn…
Many years ago I had the option of Moorgate to Kings Cross via the Northern Line or Thameslink. The Northern Line always won, except during tube strikes. Subsequently I moved to New York where the Subway is so much better than the Tube.
Why is the subway better than the tube?
@@ajs41
1. Express trains. 1.5 miles can be done in 5 mins.
2. Price: £2.50 to go anywhere on the system
3. Air conditioning
4. Taller carriages (no crouching)
5. Not as crowded. New Yorkers may disagree but you don't often get the situation where you have to wait 4 or 5 trains before there's room to board.
6. On time. Not many people realize that there's a timetable but if you do use it you'll realize that the trains are remarkably punctual, especially outside of rush hours.
Most of my experience is with the 1, 2 and 3 trains, which have a pretty good service.
Finsbury Park to London Bridge would be a good one :)
I never knew that Thameslink goes to Sutton / Bedford for East Midlands Trains / via Mitcham Junction, East Croydon and Wimbledon (London Tramlink Station) / Luton for East Midlands Trains / Mill Hill Broadway / East Croydon / Brighton / West Hampstead / London St Pancras for Eurostar, Southeastern and East Midlands Trains / St Albans City / Three Bridges