Race The Tube - High Speed 1 vs The Underground
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 7 พ.ย. 2019
- I caught up with Andy from 'Calling All Stations' again, as we wanted to test out another fastest way between two points in London.
As SouthEasterns High Speed 1 line doesn't appear on the Tube Map (because it's not a TfL service) you might overlook it as a way of getting to Stratford from King's Cross St. Pancras. But how long does it take anyway?
Andy brought along two of his friends - Victoria and David, and we all went different ways to see which was the fastest!
You can watch Andy's Video Here: • S2E1: What's The Quick... and give his channel a subscribe whilst you're there!
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I think Geoff spent more time walking than he did on the train.
Seen as though the train took 5 minutes, he definitely did!
He could have taken the DLR under the shopping centre (Stratford International to Stratford) which may have been very slightly quicker once you factor in the wait time. There is also a shuttle bus run by Here East (which is free and you don't need a pass) that runs from Stratford International to Stratford once every 10-12 minutes.
@@ijmad why would they put on a free bus?
Loved that announcement: "Platform 12 for the 12 12..." if only the journey took 12 minutes...
Then Geoff would have lost LOL
Patrick - if the journey had been quicker Geoff would have lost?!
Or The Train had 12 carriages
@@gabri_maybe Given the 390s are six carriages long, that would be possible (although in this case it had only 6)
*12 instensifies*
I live right by Stratford International and the HS1 is the next best thing to teleportation
As long as you want to teleport to sunny kings cross!!
Its a shame they only go 225 kph. Where i'm from they go 300. So a 3 hour drive takes like 1 hour and 20 mins.
@@annother3350 kings cross is literally amazing now, the area has changed beyond belief
@@ce1834 I liked its edgy side.
Lucky you; must be hecka expensive to live there!
"We'll meet at the totem pole with the roundels". A true transport rendevous.
We need Cable Car vs Jubilee/DLR
Absolutely no competition there haha
The Growl I mean...
Cable Car runs faster in the Peak then it does Off-Peak, so it MIGHT have a chance.
Cable Car vs. Jubilee/DLR?
@@brayand8022 Emirates Air Line vs just getting the Jubilee one stop to Canning Town and changing for the DLR one stop
We need a cable car vs swimming vid
I live in Folkestone right by folkestone central. I can be in st Pancras in less than an hour. Virtually always on time. Brilliant train
Please try the buses to see how stupidly long it would take
*tries to think about other means of transport in london*
Water taxi?
@@elliot7753 Jet pack, Brundlefly machine?
try walking
@@elliot7753 *thinks about the Cable car or airplane from Heathrow to Luton*
Interesting Race would be Queensbury to Heathrow Central at Night. If you use buses, it is meant to be about 15 mins quicker than the Tube.
Yes it's basically 4 Javelin trains per hour from St Pancras to Stratford off-peak, the variations in the departure times are to dovetail with Eurostars arriving and departing. The Javelins fit in around the Eurostars, rather than vice-versa.
Great Britain might be the only place in Europe where stations are called "International".
To be honest GB is the only country where international trains call only at three stations (due to the fact it is an island)
I'm not sure if it is the only one in Europe, but it certainly is one of the few
@@MrOpenGL Technically, Liechtenstein is another country where international trains call only at three stations (due to the fact that there are only three stations in Liechtenstein and that all trains that run through Liechtenstein connect Austria and Switzerland) ;)
Basel has (or did) the SNCF/SBB station and the Basel DB station.
@@Trockenshampooleopard don't forget Monaco, which has only one station. In Liechtenstein the number of trains which stop is the same number of trains which don't stop and go through the whole country without a single stop
@@erik_griswold None of which is called "Basel International".
I love these race videos; they remind me of the old top gear ones!
Keep up these series!
That secret entrance at Stratford International is handy sometimes. I was going somewhere once and the DLR to Stratford Intl was closed so I got the Jubilee Line and then walked from Stratford and got to that entrance. If it wasn't there, it would've been a longer walk for me
HS1 up from Kent, up to the secret exit, round the corner and back onto the GEML is the easiest way up the East Coast while avoiding the crowds of London. It's often been possible on a Sunday on cheap tickets due to engineering works elsewhere.
Thanks thanks Jeff tec and Andy team love seeing you run around the London and seeing places on the underground that I've never seen
This is actually quite a useful video! I'm going to London in a month and might want to visit here to see the Eurostars at high speed, and this helps with knowing prices and fastest route there
The coolest thing about Stratford International is the track that runs to the Eurostar depot over the platforms. It's really something coming down the escalator with a Eurostar trainset only a few feet away from you. Enjoyed this video, I used the high speed when I was moving into my flat in an area near Stratford. It was much nicer taking the HS and a bus!
"Trains leaving this station can be very busy. Especially during rush hour"
I don't know what's stupider, the comment about rush hour, or the fact some people need to be told this.
Tourists ...
Jodie Brunson no excuse
@ least in where I'm from (Singapore) trains can sometimes be almost as crowded during off-peak hours (e.g. 2200-2300h, Sat morning)
When I saw the title I was like I better hope the High Spead 1 is faster than the tube.
Definitely worth the extra £ for not having to change at bank/Liverpool street
Mind the gap ;)
Excellent as always, Geoff.
That lesser known entrance at Stratford international is used when West Ham play as an entrance for people travelling to Kent after the game. It’s a good locations for the Westfields food court for people that are brave enough to want to eat down there.
Why do you need to be brave enough to eat there, I've never heard anybody say that about the food court at Stressfield white city?
Doreen Patterson because on a match day westfields is rammed , especially the food court
@@maryapatterson put your victim complex away for just 5 minutes.
Doreen we are talking about Westfield Stratford. It is packed there and full of weird smells amd stuff
You guys don't know how lucky you are actually having even one choice, let alone four or more ;) Loved both videos.
I take the 12:12 from Platform 12 (to Canterbury West) regularly...so satisfying!
Another great video Geoff, thank you.
I believe that the South Eastern HS trains travel up to 140mph through the tunnels between Stratford and St Pancras.
It’s actually so fast that the train can’t actually reach 140mph before it has to start braking for Stratford.
i do love these types of vidoes from you
I travelled a lot between Kings Cross (from Cambridge) and Stratford last year, and I did experiment HS1 vs change at LST (to central or TFLRail or GA) vs change at Highbury&Islington a couple of times each. I believe your result is absolutely spot on. HS1 is clearly the fastest way by a lot (though, it is the most expensive), change at LST comes second, and victoria+overground route comes a quite remote third.
This is the greatest travel hack I found out in London. I was meeting my friend in Westfield coming from Paddington, Friday 5.30pm rush hour. Was there by 6pm taking the high speed train :)
you could have been there at 5:45 with elozabeth lone
@@mudchute4dlrif it existed at the time
St James's Park to Paddington is a similarly interesting route.
I believe the tfl planner will give the following route options depending on what's best at that time:
1. Circle to Paddington
2. District to Earl's Court, district to Paddington
3. Circle/District to Victoria, victoria to Oxford Circus, Bakerloo to Paddington
4. Circle/District to Westminster, Jubilee to Baker street, Bakerloo to Paddington
5. Circle/District to Embankment, Bakerloo to Paddington
6. Bus (when service is winding down)
It may have suggested a 7th, but I'm not sure now
7 Circle/District to Victoria, victoria to Green Park, jubilee to Baker Street, Bakerloo to Paddington
happy 10 years for the high speed
5:32 “you know still the cheapest, but it’s more expensive” -amazing- speech Geoff 👏
it would have been 45 mins slower with a wheelchair so the High Speed is definitely the superstar
Great video mate 😊
Great video Geoff
That way in and out of SFA is used frequently by me, at least, as it is one of my local stations, and very convenient if I need to get to St Pancras or King's Cross, either to do something in the area or to get a train to Derby or Leeds.
Fun fact: we did almost the same, going to and back from Margate two months ago: the challenge was to find the fastest way btw Stratford Int'l and Clapham Junction... !!!
One major obstacle in making it a fair challenge is that the different modes of transport in London arrive at different times, even if you leave at 12:05. which can give a significantly unfair advantage/disadvantage to the other competing party.
I always wondered that too. Now I get to find out finally.
so tube fare is either paper ticket or oyster/contactless but the first price listing is for the supposed hi speed one through oyster/contactless, right?
Im curious as to how fast H and C to mile end then central would be. Since the H and C would be very slow but with the possibility of instant change over to the central if the timings are right as both westbound lines share a platform at mile end.
Are they ever going to tune that sodding piano?
Love the scarf btw, very district line!
Goodness. Never the HS1 was so young. The first time I took it was to Canterbury in 2014. I have never heard of Stratford international since that journey
Wish I'd known about this when I used to use this route!
Love your video
@Geoff Marshal Hi. May is ask what sort of camera's do you use?
Congratulations, this is the first time the UK was right on the ‘high speed’ term. They love to call everything ‘high speed’ even tho in many cases it doesn’t even go above 200km/h - 125mph.
On this route with the distance between the two stations being a mere 5 miles as the crow flies I'm not entirely convinced whether it achieves much better, this sort of leg is a really bad one to showcase what high speed can do need to give them enough time to get up to speed and allow them to cruise for a bit for that. Really think that until HS2 is operational would have to take the Eurostar run to really make the most of it, HS2 will showcase it better too though the run from Old Oak Common to Birmingham Interchange is long enough to let the trains do what they are good at. Still wish we hadn't obsessed with trying to catch up to the 1980's and had considered actually using modern technology like UK Ultraspeed had proposed but better to spend more money to live in the past I guess :s
Spitbars Productions At the moment of writing this comment, according to Wikipedia, the top speed any East Midlands train can reach is 125mph. The only reason why it would go higher is because the driver was speeding or there’s a special service that for some reason can go faster.
@@CityWhisperer Beat me to it was about to ask them to please identify a single track section anywhere in their service region with a track speed limit that high. Doesn't mean a damn what your vehicle can do if the infrastructure is unable to support it in actual service thus why there is not much of a market for busses with the horse power to do 200 mph lack of suitable roads would be an issue.
Seraphina Completely agree, I think the UK invests too much on buying new trains when their infrastructure can’t make the best out of them. There’s a huge bottle neck on what the trains can do and what the infrastructure can actually stand.
@@CityWhisperer Yeah, you have class 158s capable of 145 km/h being used on the Kyle of Lochalsh railway with a top speed of what, 70 km/h? and jointed track?
Don't get me wrong, I love that line dearly, but maybe it would be better to move the 158s to places where they can actually run at 145 km/h (like the Far North line) and then replace them with trains that have smaller top speeds
I enjoyed watching that although I had a forgone conclusion which would be fastest! Why don't you do "Westfield Stratford to Westfield White City", that would be interesting!
As an Australian, it's always weird to hear UK and American people refer to Westfield. I don't think of it as an export.
@@Bungle2010 Yeah, Bunnings didn't work out in the UK - not a lot of DIY there, it seems. That's OK, more for us - I'm sitting about a mile or so from ours right now. In a world where religion seems to be dying out (at least here), the church of Bunnings on a Sunday is going strong. Plus, barbecued sausages :)
@@thelorax9622 The Kingfisher brands (B&Q, Screwfix) and Wickes dominate the market, more or less. It's not that people don't do DIY, it's just that cracking a different market can be incredibly difficult.
The European and American portion of Westfields is owned by the French now :(
Interesting trips. I don’t think you used the shorted walking route from International to Stratford Station. I recall when I last did it, if you turn tight at the over bridge there are some steps upto a centre entrance to the shopping centre then turn left and follow directions.
I stayed in a hotel by Stratford international a few months back - always took high speed service as it’s way easier than doing all the changes on the underground (especially as I was travelling to Euston way places
I would love to see a James Bond movie with you starring in it. Perfect match
The name's Marshall, Geoff Marshall, licenced to visit #AllTheStations.
@@DavidShepheard coming to a railway station near you! License to ride them all, after all, he's gotta catch 'em.
Take note Hollywood get Geoff to star as the new 007.
First time I payed London a visit, it took me a worryingly large amount of time to comprehend that when they say "...the 1212 service" they actually mean the departing time and not the train number. Because in continental Europe train numbers are often used the same way as flight numbers on seat reservations and such. I was always waiting for the voice to say "will depart 12 past 12 from plattform n"
No then it’d be something like the ‘1D12’ from KGX to DOV at 12 past 12
Dear Friend:
I am a fervent admirer of the railways and next year I will visit England for 12 days, the cities of London, York, Liverpool and Manchester. I am interested in knowing some station around London to observe the trains at speed. Which would you recommend for filming train passes at good speed? Many thanks and warm regards from Argentina, Fausto.-
Welcome back Andy! It’s been a while Sents you left for a bit
You’ll have to do it again once Cross-Elizabeth-Purple-Rail opens
In their bath chairs.
@@caw25sha when it opens?! 😂
Is there a discount for those with Oyster ZIPs on the Oyster Fare?
I'm a West Ham fan and I live in Camden Town so I use southeastern high speed pretty much every match day I can go to. It gets really busy on match days
Oyster cards are not valid on South Eastern High speed trains that H.S 1 St pancas to Stratford International?
such a geoff video lmao on a time crunch but stopping for some fast (slow) facts
3:26. Why in the heck is that platform announcement so satisfying.
Nice One!
I genuinely thought it would say "Platform twelve, for the 12:12, twelve service to, twelve"
Imagine if the train number was 395012. Twelves everywhere
@@owenwoolnough7654 TWELVE!!!!
Does the high speed train charge if you have a zones 1-2 travelcard if you stay within those zones?
@@Bungle2010 Sadness
Nice video
It was mentioned that only in 2015 Oyster Cards were usable on the high speed line between St Pancras International and Stratford.
I was a games maker at the Paralympics in 2012 and I was given a complementary Oyster card. I was allowed to use the card to travel from Stratford to St Pancras International, but perhaps this was something special because of the Olympics?
The gaps are probably to allow for the Eurostar schedule?
Not only Eurostar, but also slower trains when HS1 leaves FastTrack and joins conventional rail. They probably don't want them trains stopping in Ashford for too long. And HS1 doesn't stop at all stations between Ashford and Dover, so it has to be in sync with trains that do.
You should do a video to show how tourists/airport workers can get to Heathrow on a 7 day zone 1-3 Travelcard by taking 1/2 buses from a zone 3 tube station.
I wish I had a taskforce like you assembled here as I have a 5-way dilemma to commute to work, and citymapper had suggested 5 routes that are within 2 minutes of each other: I live near the home office (Westminster) and work near Finsbury Square (Moorgate) and this was the solution:
1. Walk to St James Park, take the circle line till it loops around back to moorgate
2. Walk to St James Park, take anything eastbound and walk from cannon street (13 minutes)
3. Walk to Pimlico, talk Victoria line down to stockwell and take the northern line up to moorgate
4. Walk to Pimlico, take Victoria line up to Euston and take the northern line down to moorgate
5. Walk to St James Park, take anything to monument, change at bank and take the northern line up to moorgate
I generally stick with 1 or 2 as there's only one train breakdown to worry about. I've tried 3 and was a complete disaster due to the northern line branching at stockwell. 4 sounds like a rush hour nightmare, though I haven't attempted it. 5 involves the safety hazard of changing at bank and monument
I like the sound of 2 as that doesn't seem to involve any particular service and then the brisk walk after. There's nothing better than having to rely on your own feet as oppose to the wrong leaves on the line etc etc
A challenge for next year; catch a 01:01 (am or pm) on the 01/01 from platform 1 (any station). Catch a 02:02 on the 02/02 from platform 2. and so on.....12 nice episodes.
You could use Oyster for High Speed in 2012. I was working at the Olympics and I had a LOCOG issued Oyster card with a travelcard on it and I remember going to St Pancras, going up to a ticket office and asking if I could use it for High Speed and they said yes. So I did take it to Stratford.
Super video
Never knew there was an Oyster fare between STP and Stratford Int, it's cheaper than I was expecting actually! I doubt I'd go to Stratford that way, but use the Javelins all the time to go to Kent
So do you have any information about the saddle tank locomotive which is shown when you are together at Stratford?
brilliant info - thank you
In 1983-84, fiancée, now wife, lived by Earls Court Station, I lived by East Ham. Faster on bicycle than District Line - and I stopped for pedestrians crossing roads. Exhilarating
When I did this I went Thameslink to Blackfriars then district to Tower Hill then DLR to Canning Town then DLR to Stratford, took about 45 mins but was fun!
I use that entrance all the time :)
I'm binge watching your videos while preparing vegetables tonight, have you ever been to matlock bath on the train?
sure have! back in 2017 as part of All The Stations ... th-cam.com/video/Kci2o53e5A4/w-d-xo.html
Thanks for the cost chart because I was really wondering how expensive it would be to get from the airport to the inner city and I think both have an okay price. I would probably take the tube with less lugage (so when arriving) and the train with more lugage. Depends of course als on where you stay but as a tourist I found that really helpful to decide whether that would be something I would invest a bit more money in or go all cheap :D And also good to know that oyster is now possible because it wasn't when I was there in 2014 with my school.
@@geofftech2 Thanks for the info. Most planes from the airport near me usually land at Stratford so this particular video was especially helpful for the future. But the Gatwick trick is one I will definitely remember, who know when I will ever need it.
If you mean London City Airport then the DLR goes to Bank in the middle of the City of London, and you can get to the West End from there on the Circle Line. DLR to Stratford and then into Central London probably isn't the best option.
loved using the Javelins during the Olympics
Was that a little Andrew Barclay or an Avonside loco on the plinth behind you four??
Hi Geoff, what's the industrial locomotive behind you on the closing shot?
I was wondering that too?
That's Robert the tank engine made in 1933 to shunt coal in Mines in Northamptonshire. Moved to London in 1933 for the Kew Bridge Steam Museum and eventually settled in Stratford 1999.
@@AndrewWood1 Thank you!
Would love to use HS1 at some point (after this situation is over either between St Pancras or Stratford to Ashford in Kent
@geoff you didn’t mention the saddle tank loco in the background
Can you use this route for free if you have a zone 1-2 season ticket?
All the twelves, all of them
I see you again
...I really wish they would re-name 'Stratford International' to something like 'Stratford High Speed'
@@Bungle2010 errh, you obviously miss-read my comment, I said Stratford High SPEED! The station is on a High Speed Railway Line!
Geoff mentions using his railcard to get discounts on the tube - which railcard is he referring to? I have read that neither the Network railcard nor the Two Together railcard can be added to an Oyster card for a discount.
1:47 So, the Totem Pole shows from bottom to top:
- TfL Rail (RER-style Commuter rail services)
- Overground (S-Bahn type services)
- DLR (Light Railway, Docklands supplement to the Underground)
- National Rail (Commuter and Inter-city rail services)
- Underground (Metro-style service)
That is highly mixed up, if not messed up. My 'recommendation' for a renewal of this pole (necessary latest once the #PurpleTrain is officially up and running) - bottom to top:
- DLR*
- Underground*
- Overground
- Cross/Elizabeth Link/Rail/Express
- National Rail
* can be exchanged
Geoff is adding music to his vlogs now?!?! Oh, just a piano...
I live in gravesend, and it basically takes me 18 minutes to get to London
Andy is back!
What class was it
Is that a fire alarm going of at 6.24
6:17 Can we expect a 'Exits and Entrances You Didn't Know About On HS1' video Geoff?
Even if it was a few minutes slower I’d still take the HS because it’s much more relaxing and you nearly always get a seat, the only thing is that it isn’t as scenic as overground or TFL rail because it’s mostly in a tunnel
I think an All The Stations suffixed 'International' is due. Ebbsfleet, Stratford,Ashford, Birmingham, Harwich is overdue.
Like watching you guys work together.
Do a time rase from London liverpool street to cheshunt 1 of you use Greater Anglia and the other get the overground service to cheshunt.?
Once I went from Southwark to Stratford by 388 bus and it took 2 HOURS
Yeah buses are slow
Can you go Stratford to Canary Wharf race
Routes:
Jubilee
DLR
DLR - Jubilee
Cable Car - Jubilee
Can you go Stratford to Canary Wharf race
Routes:
Jubilee
DLR
DLR - Jubilee
Cable Car - Jubilee
339 - DLR
108 - DLR
Central - DLR
Not Count: National Express - DLR
That's easy
Take the buses.
@@temibanjo3805 some of these routes sound so stupid tho
Stratford International is the station name, but you can't get to Europe? How does that happen?
That moment when London's public transport is so complicated you can make a whole youtube channel about it and still never be finished... While in Czechia and Germany you simply buy a ticket which costs always the same and just check the times on an app which offers you the best connection
@@Bungle2010 even more confusing since it is in London...
Geoff always forget the iconic red buses.
2:44 *past the pi a n o o o o o o*
nice tunes m8