He may not know her yet, but he knows his future self does. "You whispered my name in my ear. There's only one way I would ever give someone my name. There's only one time I could..."
@@theoneandonlymsg991 Silence in the Library/The Silence in River's Storyline and Forest of the Dead/The only Water in the Forest is the River. Moffat is brilliant!
First time watching in didn't get the sentimental side of it. ( I didn't know who River was), second watching the episode ( after watching Matt Smith's era) I babbled my eyes out.
+WarGrowlmon18 Not if it is a minor re-write. Which it is. Because she tells him that in warning of what is to come. So the timeline gets altered. It can be done without a paradox since the Universe gets rebooted (11th and the Pandorica). The version of her that is in that last moment, is from Universe nr 2. While the 10th is still in number 1. Since she goes backwards in time relative to the Doctor, this takes away any paradox. And her memory is intact because of her timelord "dna".
Uh................... no. She knows he can do that because she's seen him do it. He learned of it first from her as his younger self met her first. She also drops other hints about their adventures together there too. She mentions about armies running away from him and the Crash of the Byzantium, both things in his future.
+The Time Lord Did he? That would explain, in addition to the fact nights on darillium are so long, why it was able to save more than just her personality
[Spoilers!] I'd heard about that episode tying into this one and featuring that moment at the Singing Towers, and I was prepared to cry... just watched it now and I don't think I have any tears left. "If this is the last night we have together [I didn't say that]... How long is a night on [planet]" when he gives that answer, well, no wonder the screwdriver's relay (which the doctor may have even modified so it learns faster) remembered her so well. [/Spoilers!] River Song has been Saved.
@@morgana-orion Not really. I just finished torchwood and now I'm almost done with The Sarah Jane adventures and soon going into series 7 of DW knowing Whats gonna happen to amy and Rory
Everybody knows that everybody dies. But not every day. Not today. Some days are special. Some days are so, so blessed. Some days, nobody dies at all. Now and then, every once in a very long while, every day in a million days, when the wind stands fair and the Doctor comes to call, everybody lives.
Watching this now, I can't help but think the 10th Doctor became the 11th for that scene, you know, for a few brief moments, he became the man that River married, all that was missing was the GERONIMO!!! as he jumped down the shaft.
I love this scene so much. I always choke up when The Doctor stands in front of the Tardis and realizes River was right. He would become that hero that she described and that she knew. One day he would have whole armies turn and flee from just his voice and he would save the universe from ending. He would save Galifrey and become stronger, better , and more compassionate. He would love more deeply and soar higher than he'd ever know. It just gives me hope that no matter how hard life is now, if we could only see our future or meet someone from our future, they would describe us in such a magnificent way, we would hardly believe how great we'd become.
I really just love that River gets to be a mom. I mean she ends up taking care of not only her students...but also Donna's 'dream' children and CAL. She gets to do what she couldn't when she was alive...and she gets to have peace. A small consolation but it always made me smile that she got to be a mommy :)
+redraven24 we assum she and the doctor have no children because what the silence did to her and her parents. but we know of the memory worm and the fop watch so they could have had a child and wiped there memory leaving the child with there friends to hide from there enemies giving the child a diary and a fop watch to keep from running into them.
Robert Jordan This would be the best storyline I could hope for :) A River-Doctor child out there somewhere and some time, waiting for a moment to emerge. Ugh...I would love that.
+redraven24 yeah i think the only one they could trust such a child with would be dona since she does not remember the doctor and is not a part of his world or Madame Vastra, Jenny Flint, and Strax to train to protect themselves when the child is grown up
For some reason I imagined that when the Grand Intelligence went back in time to ruin the Doctor's future he put the cart of books some place where the Doctor would trip and end up not saving River but Clara went back and moved it to where the Doctor could see it and jump
@@calliecalamity8787 the absolute worst decision in the entire history of the show and any show. id wager its even worse than what GOT did for the entire final season. It completely and totally killed the show for me. i have not watched Doctor who since that episode. Absolutely and totally terrible.
A great quote about death from another great show: "everyone dies alone, but if you mean something to someone, if you help someone, or love someone, if even a single person remembers you, then maybe you never really die at all."
River and the Tenth Doctor were experiencing everything in opposite directions. His first meeting with her is actually her last. And her first meeting with him is his last. They were going out of order. She was given a book of 'spoilers' with pictures of the doctor and the sonic screw driver of an unknown doctor regeneration, it was never specifically stated to be the 10 or the 11ths she just said 'You gave it to me'. Not to mention that her saying when she first met him he had '..a new hair cut and dressed up in a fancy suit' might suggest a different regeneration. Also the doctor may change but how many sonic screw drivers to you have floating around. Of course he's going to recognize his.
The moment I fell in love with the Doctor was when he turned to Rose Tyler with the most joy I've ever seen on anybody's face in reality or in fiction and said, "Just this once! Everybody lives!" I got spoiled for everything by the Internet, and the moment I knew River and the Doctor were perfect for each other was when she said the same thing. (Some days are so, so blessed... Eleven will be in good hands.) Now I just need to find time to start Season 5...
Something I love about this scene is the fact that before this The Doctor never snapped his fingers to control the doors and now he does it almost all the time. All the cool times that is
He kinda changed his mind on a few things though: 1) they stayed 24 years on Derilium not a night (I know a "night" there is 24 years but do you really think that's what Moffat was thinking when he wrote this episode). 2) It wasn't his screwdriver at all, it was a random new one that he made.
@FortoFight the night one is a technical retcon but the original dialogue still works and it is possible he gives her that screwdriver and he fixed it after the eleventh hour
what i love about this is that the Doctor knows he has to save her, he cant give in, he has no clue he's going to marry her or shes going to be important in his life, he just cares about her as much as he would for anyone he meets, what a brilliant character the Doctor is
I think the point was she can live with her friends in the library, where she would also have access to the history of the universe and all the stories with the Doctor in them, so she can revisit all these moments and enjoy them (she is also an archaeologist so this history of the universe will interest her very much). However, I don't know if you have seen the latest episode (The Name of the Doctor) but your concern is revisited and resolved.
Ironically, this happens in The Long Game. He keeps clicking for Adam to open his head, now wouldn't the tardis open and close its doors every time he did it?
Jaison Orchard Probably not, since the TARDIS is telepathic and can decide whether or not to open the doors. It doesn't just respond to snapping fingers like the brain interface.
lines that made me go oh ahhh "arent I a clever girl" i think clara said those lines before and when river said that impossible man , remember the impossible girl again clara even if its just a coincidence and the writers were just lucky that in fitted in the story its still a pretty cool thing to imagine a think about in a timey whimey kind of way =D
Such a beautiful scene where the Doctor opens the TARDIS with a snap of his fingers. He's a new person in a way, this episode exemplifies the truth that " pain and loss...define as much as happiness or love..."
"That when things get tough you'll have that smirk on your face and everything will be alright" river knew she was going to die soon, but she figured the doctor wasn't going to save her, what she didn't know was that he already did
so because River "dies" in this episode that's why she is a "ghost" at the end of the season seven finally and convinces Clara that she need to save the doctor right?
tanner moore Yeah that was her data ghost. Which is confusing since she was a computer program yet psychically linked to Clara which I don't get. River said that the Doctor never visited her after this and he revealed it was because it was too hard for him to see her again to say goodbye. One thing that upsets me is I think that was her last appearance. It kinda felt like a goodbye to her character and she hasn't been mentioned since besides the brief mention in Time Of. I know she's dead but there's still all her past selves and if she encountered the 10th Doctor here they could easily have her encounter the 12th Doctor and not tell the 11th.
Yeah. I miss Rose, Amy and Rory the most of the Doctor's long-term companions. They left it open for Torchwood to return but haven't done anything with that in YEARS!!!
oh you wonderful person, river. you brought that little spark of mystery and hope that showed just how bright the doctor's life could be. thank you so very much for that...
@upchuck69 This video already shows the way the Doctor thought to save her. He says "Future me had years to think about it, all those years to think of a way to save her." Which was by making the screwdriver with the data recorder that has her data ghost in it and giving it to her, knowing that his past self would figure it all out and save her by injecting her into the core of the library. That's the only way he can save her by putting her mind in the core.
According to Whographica, a book about Doctor Who made in 2015 by Whovians, they still count River Song as having "died" because on the dedicated page to episodes where everyone lives, this episode is not listed as one of them
The same can be said about the occupants of the Library. She too could be freed in the same manner if only we could get someone to sit in that chair and repeat the process.
River Song is the best character. Doctor Who is a great show but I think for me it became a masterpiece when they introduced River Song. She connected the three Doctors over her lifetime(s). She will always be my favorite character in the whole show.
Ah, but now we know that River can still be with the Doctor as witnessed by her being at Trenzlore- of course she did say Goodbye Sweetie this time, so perhaps she is done now.
One thing I was always glad of was that they decided to bring River back and explore her character more rather than just leave us wondering who she was. And they explored her character and role in the Doctor's life over many episodes too instead of just doing one big reveal like a lot of shows do. Sadly I think they're done with her character which upsets me.
One thing I wished they'd included in the 50th was any sort of allusion or reference to River. Even 10 just asking 11 "So about River Song..." and 12 just having too many emotions to say anything at all. It would have been more than enough of an answer for 10, since he naturally knows that The Doctor never shuts up. It would have been interesting at the very least since The Moment took on the form of Rose and 10 never actually saw her, but after all, 9 regenerated into 10 for Rose. But I think 10 would have had a good inkling by then that he and Rose were puppy love compared to what The Doctor would be with River Song. I imagine the prospect, for 10, would have been terrifying since he was the incarnation that knew best how it all would end.
The concept was first used by Russel T Davies with Jack Harkness (who was the face of boe). However, it was Steven Moffat who took this concept and made it a full fledged story arc.
I was at the bookstore today and I found a Doctor Who novel called The Legends of River Song. I guess its some of River's untold adventures both with and without the Doctor.
or it could be the diary of River. I'm only saying that because five thousand year old cave drawings were found with what looks like a Tardis with people standing around it
"Everybody knows that everybody dies, and nobody knows it like the Doctor. But I do think, that all the skies, of all the worlds, might just turn dark if her ever for one moment, accepts it."
Unless the Doctor in the anniversary episode is the half human Doctor from the alternate dimension and River shows up at some point (pre SITL) for him to give her a modified version of his screwdriver. Because if he were the 10th Doctor circa series 2 he would not know her or have any reason to give her a screwdriver. Which means she'll be obviously be back in Capaldi's run and we have most assuredly not seen the last of River Song. Plus we've still got the whole wife aspect to cover.
I think we will see River in Series 8 because we've yet to see the scene where the Doctor gives River his sonic screwdriver.... The sonic that 10 used to "save" River could be Capaldi's.... And I know we've seen him use Matt's from footage of the filming of Series 8 but that screwdriver might get destroyed like the sonic in the beginning of 5s tenure and he'll get a new one and the new one will be given to River... Or maybe it could be a sonic of a future doctor from an even further point....
I agree. We haven't yet seen River meet The Doctor for the first time and we haven't seen him give her the screwdriver. The River that said goodbye in The Name of The Doctor was the "saved" version. I ended up buying this screwdriver on Amazon this week... I'm expecting it to show up again. Maybe it'll be seen just once more. Maybe it'll be Capaldi's device.
And because both RDJ and Moffat envisioned that Doctor Moon is the final regeneration of The Doctor, we can freely imagine that River got to spend the eternity with him - and he with her. After everything after her final, grand sacrifice and after his truly remarkable gesture of spending the whole 24 years with her on Darillium - they did not part ways, not truly.
and that was the day he became my doctor. who would turn armies around with a look and swagger back to his TARDIS, opening the doors with a snap of his fingers. The doctor in the TARDIS, next stop everywhere
Am I the only one who thought of the ninth doctor in the episode the doctor dances, I think that’s what it was called, when he says, “Everybody lives Rose, just this once everybody lives.”
@DJPMinecraft The trick with regeneration is that it seems you need a body, or at least a cell, from which to regenerate. The Master came back because they missed one tiny cell stuck on his ring. It looks as if River's entire body was incinerated. There's nothing she can regenerate from.
This episode deserves awards. This is the first episode of River Song. She didn't show up again for a long while, and her last episode, (to our knowledge) was toward the end of the 12th Doctor's time. That's one Hell of a plotline and I think Steven Moffat deserves more respect for that shit! But this scene. Words can't describe the genius of this scene. I don't remember what I felt the first time I saw this, seen it too many times. But I know that it must've been different than after seeing The Husbands of River Song. And that's... Incredible. It takes a gift to write like this. Or a time machine. But those don't exist now, do they?
There is an interesting thought of River coming back to life, her mind is still in the data core ( just as we saw in NOTD), so what if someone out there in time and space created an artifical body which looks exactly like River, then transfer her mind into it? Interesting concept there.....
The doctor wouldn't trust his name with an artificial river even if she was going to die. However I was thinking all those people got returned back to the library before they were saved. River is saved into the library maybe she can be returned to her body with a little bit of regeneration magic.
of course :D that is a brilliant theory, i'm assuming that they the xmas special will be when the doctor takes river to the singing towers and gives her the screwdriver then he regens happy knowing that his past self will 'save' her
I love the way he says 'you and me, one last run' it's like for that moment he really was her husband even though he doesn't know her yet
He may not know her yet, but he knows his future self does. "You whispered my name in my ear. There's only one way I would ever give someone my name. There's only one time I could..."
@@Twisted_Code When he dies
@@Twisted_Code Which referred to « Let’s kill Hitler » episode
@@mr_louisfr no its when they get married
@@jst978 noo in that episode he said "look in my eyes"!
How they did rivers story was genius, A start and an ending at the same time
it Begins with the Ending and Ends at the Start... somewhat
Perfect time loop!
Not they. MOFFAT
@@Federation-Cosmo-BoltIt begins with the ending and ends with the second-to-last meeting, actually 😂
"He just can't do it, can he? That man.. that IMPOSSIBLE man....he just can't give in!"
*sobs*
"Never cruel or cowardly. Never give up and never give in."
Asher_Ronin Never eat pears.
That impossible man vs the impossible astronaut. Man oh man. Moffat really new how to make some amazing call backs.
@@theoneandonlymsg991 Silence in the Library/The Silence in River's Storyline and Forest of the Dead/The only Water in the Forest is the River. Moffat is brilliant!
First time watching in didn't get the sentimental side of it.
( I didn't know who River was), second watching the episode ( after watching Matt Smith's era) I babbled my eyes out.
river is right. the universe would be a much darker place if the doctor ever truly gave up.
+Mark Durl Indeed. We saw that in Turn Left and when the Doctor's victories were reversed in Name of.
But it would be even darker if his never gave up, remember the Time Lord Victorious from Water on Mars?
playfulpippapony nah, that was a clear cut example of what happens when the doctor hasnt got his companions to keep his dark side in check.
i don't give up either
That captain committed suicide. Was not a happy ending to that episode at all.
The finger-clicking thing is a paradox: the Doctor learned about it from River but she learned about it from him because he learned about it from her.
+WarGrowlmon18 Not if it is a minor re-write. Which it is. Because she tells him that in warning of what is to come. So the timeline gets altered. It can be done without a paradox since the Universe gets rebooted (11th and the Pandorica). The version of her that is in that last moment, is from Universe nr 2. While the 10th is still in number 1. Since she goes backwards in time relative to the Doctor, this takes away any paradox. And her memory is intact because of her timelord "dna".
Uh................... no. She knows he can do that because she's seen him do it. He learned of it first from her as his younger self met her first. She also drops other hints about their adventures together there too. She mentions about armies running away from him and the Crash of the Byzantium, both things in his future.
+WarGrowlmon18 Well yeah, it's quicker to list the things that aren't a paradox in Doctor Who. :P
+WarGrowlmon18 Bootstrap paradox. *plays Beethoven's Fifth on guitar*
+WarGrowlmon18 not so much of a paradox since the tardis is telapathic and exists at every moment in space time
"What I did was give her a screwdriver. Why would I do that?"
Because you thought that the Sonic Trowel was stupid. That's why.
+Etienne Grämer Well that helped.
give her a sonic gun from the 1 ep with the epty child
Etienne Grämer if you look correctly the 12th doctor scanned her when he gave her the screwdriver ;3
+The Time Lord Did he? That would explain, in addition to the fact nights on darillium are so long, why it was able to save more than just her personality
Etienne Grämer sonic trowel would be good for an archeologist (which River is)
Okay so I just watched 'The Husbands of River Song' and because it links to this episode I'm now crying like a baby
Same here
+Emily White me too
Aren't we all.
24 years
[Spoilers!]
I'd heard about that episode tying into this one and featuring that moment at the Singing Towers, and I was prepared to cry... just watched it now and I don't think I have any tears left. "If this is the last night we have together [I didn't say that]... How long is a night on [planet]" when he gives that answer, well, no wonder the screwdriver's relay (which the doctor may have even modified so it learns faster) remembered her so well.
[/Spoilers!]
River Song has been Saved.
"He just can't give in." -River, this scene
"Never give up, never give in." -The War Doctor, 50th Anniversary
Never gonna give you up. Never gonna let you down
@@theseeker2360 You just replied to a six year old comment on a doctor who TH-cam clip with rickroll lyrics are you okay???
@@morgana-orion Not really. I just finished torchwood and now I'm almost done with The Sarah Jane adventures and soon going into series 7 of DW knowing Whats gonna happen to amy and Rory
Everybody knows that everybody dies. But not every day. Not today. Some days are special. Some days are so, so blessed. Some days, nobody dies at all. Now and then, every once in a very long while, every day in a million days, when the wind stands fair and the Doctor comes to call, everybody lives.
Brilliant writing.
I just realized. In the final episode of 12 and River, 12 also references the Wind Standing Fair
Watching this now, I can't help but think the 10th Doctor became the 11th for that scene, you know, for a few brief moments, he became the man that River married, all that was missing was the GERONIMO!!! as he jumped down the shaft.
Beautiful
I love this scene so much. I always choke up when The Doctor stands in front of the Tardis and realizes River was right. He would become that hero that she described and that she knew. One day he would have whole armies turn and flee from just his voice and he would save the universe from ending. He would save Galifrey and become stronger, better , and more compassionate. He would love more deeply and soar higher than he'd ever know.
It just gives me hope that no matter how hard life is now, if we could only see our future or meet someone from our future, they would describe us in such a magnificent way, we would hardly believe how great we'd become.
I didn't even make that connection, but now I'm crying even harder! You're brilliant!
I prefer 12s interpretation that everyone, no matter how insignificant we feel in ourselves. We atleast mean something to one other person.
I really just love that River gets to be a mom. I mean she ends up taking care of not only her students...but also Donna's 'dream' children and CAL. She gets to do what she couldn't when she was alive...and she gets to have peace. A small consolation but it always made me smile that she got to be a mommy :)
+redraven24 we assum she and the doctor have no children because what the silence did to her and her parents. but we know of the memory worm and the fop watch so they could have had a child and wiped there memory leaving the child with there friends to hide from there enemies giving the child a diary and a fop watch to keep from running into them.
Robert Jordan This would be the best storyline I could hope for :) A River-Doctor child out there somewhere and some time, waiting for a moment to emerge. Ugh...I would love that.
+redraven24 yeah i think the only one they could trust such a child with would be dona since she does not remember the doctor and is not a part of his world or Madame Vastra, Jenny Flint, and Strax to train to protect themselves when the child is grown up
redraven24
Doctor's and River's child/children.... SO CUTE!
For some reason I imagined that when the Grand Intelligence went back in time to ruin the Doctor's future he put the cart of books some place where the Doctor would trip and end up not saving River but Clara went back and moved it to where the Doctor could see it and jump
+Vasun05 No. No Clara ex machina here.
Aidan Auld awwwww but it would be so interesting that the Doctor failed to saved River because of something like a cart in the way or something else
@@alexisauld7781 yes. Yes Clara ex machina
@@calliecalamity8787 the absolute worst decision in the entire history of the show and any show. id wager its even worse than what GOT did for the entire final season. It completely and totally killed the show for me. i have not watched Doctor who since that episode. Absolutely and totally terrible.
A great quote about death from another great show: "everyone dies alone, but if you mean something to someone, if you help someone, or love someone, if even a single person remembers you, then maybe you never really die at all."
Person of interest?
@@LosteoinYep!!!
A great idiot once said "thanks to denial, I'm immortal" 🤣🤣🤣
3:16 *and he smiles...*
I break down in tears every time I see this
Many years later I still get feels when he opens the tardis with a click of his finger.
Even now.
River and the Tenth Doctor were experiencing everything in opposite directions. His first meeting with her is actually her last. And her first meeting with him is his last. They were going out of order. She was given a book of 'spoilers' with pictures of the doctor and the sonic screw driver of an unknown doctor regeneration, it was never specifically stated to be the 10 or the 11ths she just said 'You gave it to me'. Not to mention that her saying when she first met him he had '..a new hair cut and dressed up in a fancy suit' might suggest a different regeneration. Also the doctor may change but how many sonic screw drivers to you have floating around. Of course he's going to recognize his.
The moment I fell in love with the Doctor was when he turned to Rose Tyler with the most joy I've ever seen on anybody's face in reality or in fiction and said, "Just this once! Everybody lives!" I got spoiled for everything by the Internet, and the moment I knew River and the Doctor were perfect for each other was when she said the same thing. (Some days are so, so blessed... Eleven will be in good hands.)
Now I just need to find time to start Season 5...
Omg me too! The "everybody lives" line from the doctor in "the empty child" damn near makes me cry
Okay, but seriously, the shot when he snaps to open the TARDIS has to be one of the best pieces of cinematography in the show
Did anyone catch the little girl say "Aren't I a clever girl?" WHAAA???
Omg I thought I was the only one!!
+hfghfhf run, run you clever boy.
Clever girl...
Jo-Ann Klimowicz
I think Clara said it, too.
"That impossible man" 🤔
Something I love about this scene is the fact that before this The Doctor never snapped his fingers to control the doors and now he does it almost all the time. All the cool times that is
So after this event, 11th Doctor would flip his fingers to open the TARDIS.
extraleague01 And that’s exactly what the Tenth Doctor does.
What an perfect time to buffer 0:46 that face lol
'The wind stands fair'- the Doctor said this in the 2015 Christmas special at the singing towers of Durilliam. Did anybody else notice the reference?!
This is just before the fall of Ten. Ten, who fell so much further than the fall of the Eleventh.
I cnt believe steven moffat thought so far into the future all the way to the end of series 9
He kinda changed his mind on a few things though:
1) they stayed 24 years on Derilium not a night (I know a "night" there is 24 years but do you really think that's what Moffat was thinking when he wrote this episode).
2) It wasn't his screwdriver at all, it was a random new one that he made.
@FortoFight the night one is a technical retcon but the original dialogue still works and it is possible he gives her that screwdriver and he fixed it after the eleventh hour
what i love about this is that the Doctor knows he has to save her, he cant give in, he has no clue he's going to marry her or shes going to be important in his life, he just cares about her as much as he would for anyone he meets, what a brilliant character the Doctor is
"Aren't I a clever girl?"
*Velociraptor Screeching*
Murray gold truly is amazing. He makes the show come alive. Doctor Who wouldn't be the same without the music.
I think the point was she can live with her friends in the library, where she would also have access to the history of the universe and all the stories with the Doctor in them, so she can revisit all these moments and enjoy them (she is also an archaeologist so this history of the universe will interest her very much). However, I don't know if you have seen the latest episode (The Name of the Doctor) but your concern is revisited and resolved.
you know I didn't cry when I first saw this but after getting to know river it makes me tear up
3:10 Imagine if the TARDIS doors didn't open.
LOL FAIL
Ironically, this happens in The Long Game. He keeps clicking for Adam to open his head, now wouldn't the tardis open and close its doors every time he did it?
She would get very annoyed with the Doctor doing that.
Jaison Orchard Probably not, since the TARDIS is telepathic and can decide whether or not to open the doors. It doesn't just respond to snapping fingers like the brain interface.
Years later, I still get the chills and thrills seeing the Doctor rushing to save River and that snapping to the TARDIS.
lines that made me go oh ahhh "arent I a clever girl" i think clara said those lines before and when river said that impossible man , remember the impossible girl again clara even if its just a coincidence and the writers were just lucky that in fitted in the story its still a pretty cool thing to imagine a think about in a timey whimey kind of way =D
"Never ignore a coincidence. Unless you're busy, in which case always ignore a coincidence." -The Doctor. I like this theory.
if you remember, in the name of the doctor, it shows a flash of the library. could be!
Traykin WHERE????????? I MUST FIND IT!!!!
@@peterhouston-hencken455 such a good quote XD
I feel the River of nostalgia flowing over me.
Such a beautiful scene where the Doctor opens the TARDIS with a snap of his fingers. He's a new person in a way, this episode exemplifies the truth that " pain and loss...define as much as happiness or love..."
"That when things get tough you'll have that smirk on your face and everything will be alright" river knew she was going to die soon, but she figured the doctor wasn't going to save her, what she didn't know was that he already did
so because River "dies" in this episode that's why she is a "ghost" at the end of the season seven finally and convinces Clara that she need to save the doctor right?
tanner moore Yeah that was her data ghost. Which is confusing since she was a computer program yet psychically linked to Clara which I don't get. River said that the Doctor never visited her after this and he revealed it was because it was too hard for him to see her again to say goodbye. One thing that upsets me is I think that was her last appearance. It kinda felt like a goodbye to her character and she hasn't been mentioned since besides the brief mention in Time Of. I know she's dead but there's still all her past selves and if she encountered the 10th Doctor here they could easily have her encounter the 12th Doctor and not tell the 11th.
+WarGrowlmon18 She's coming back in the Christmas special! With Capaldi
PLEASE tell me that's not a joke!?!?!?!
+WarGrowlmon18 nope is not a joke this is happening now all we need is a check up on rose and the half human doctor and the touchwood gang
Yeah. I miss Rose, Amy and Rory the most of the Doctor's long-term companions. They left it open for Torchwood to return but haven't done anything with that in YEARS!!!
1:15 the superhero with his cape flapping behind him
This is one of those moments that bring tears to my eyes. Just with a dream to go in a world where river has gone. A peaceful world.
oh you wonderful person, river. you brought that little spark of mystery and hope that showed just how bright the doctor's life could be. thank you so very much for that...
Oh look at that... I'M VERY GOOD!!!
"Stay with me. You and me. One last run."
I cried when I heard this after watching Series 5-7
The foreshadowing for ‘The Husbands of River Song’ is amazing here.
the universe rarely fails to be a fairytale, but that's where we come in
-the doctor, twice upon a time
@upchuck69 This video already shows the way the Doctor thought to save her. He says "Future me had years to think about it, all those years to think of a way to save her." Which was by making the screwdriver with the data recorder that has her data ghost in it and giving it to her, knowing that his past self would figure it all out and save her by injecting her into the core of the library. That's the only way he can save her by putting her mind in the core.
I swear this is how it feels when my iPhone is on one percent and my charger is the other side of the house
Don't cry... Don't cry...
According to Whographica, a book about Doctor Who made in 2015 by Whovians, they still count River Song as having "died" because on the dedicated page to episodes where everyone lives, this episode is not listed as one of them
We sort of saw River's entire life in a mis-matched order started with her death and ended with the events just before then.
@ 1:55 "The Doctor fixed the Data Core", you are safe ( not dead )....
+G.S. Monroe her essence is safe her body was destroyed when she used herself to free the people inside.
The same can be said about the occupants of the Library. She too could be freed in the same manner if only we could get someone to sit in that chair and repeat the process.
River's first thought after coming back: GOD DAMN IT, *insert Doc's name*, YOU CHEATED AGAIN!
'Everybody knows that everybody dies' 'but not everybody' ' not today' brilliant
Best episode ever.
(Of anything)
River Song is the best character. Doctor Who is a great show but I think for me it became a masterpiece when they introduced River Song. She connected the three Doctors over her lifetime(s). She will always be my favorite character in the whole show.
3:35 Everybody lives !
0:29 LOL I KNEW IT while he was walking away I was like ummm doctor aren't u forgetting something?
omg...SHE SAYS 'aren't I a CLEVER girl', Run you clever boy? Oh my Moffat how can you do these things? Props to you Moffat!!
this screwdriver is a bootstrap paradox xD
Ah, but now we know that River can still be with the Doctor as witnessed by her being at Trenzlore- of course she did say Goodbye Sweetie this time, so perhaps she is done now.
One thing I was always glad of was that they decided to bring River back and explore her character more rather than just leave us wondering who she was. And they explored her character and role in the Doctor's life over many episodes too instead of just doing one big reveal like a lot of shows do. Sadly I think they're done with her character which upsets me.
Just this once Rose. EVERYBODY LIVES!
One thing I wished they'd included in the 50th was any sort of allusion or reference to River. Even 10 just asking 11 "So about River Song..." and 12 just having too many emotions to say anything at all. It would have been more than enough of an answer for 10, since he naturally knows that The Doctor never shuts up. It would have been interesting at the very least since The Moment took on the form of Rose and 10 never actually saw her, but after all, 9 regenerated into 10 for Rose. But I think 10 would have had a good inkling by then that he and Rose were puppy love compared to what The Doctor would be with River Song. I imagine the prospect, for 10, would have been terrifying since he was the incarnation that knew best how it all would end.
This 2 part episodes are FILLED with future references. We didn't know then, but it's so emotional and fun to notice it whenever I rewatch them.
next time his screwdriver breaks he needs to make a new mark6, and modify to the one in silence in the library.
A bit of 9 in that speech. Love it.
"Everybody lives, Rose. Just this once, EVERYBODY LIVES!"-9th Doctor (The Doctor Dances)
Should be called: Everybody Saved~
Or The Doctor saves River Song, LIKE A BOSS.
He hasn't given her that screwdriver yet...
He went to the Singing Towers with her in a Minisode called "Last night". I think that's when he gave her the screwdriver.
When Thanos snaps his fingers half the Universe dies,
When The Doctor snaps his fingers everybody lives.
I'm glad River got her happily ever after.
The concept was first used by Russel T Davies with Jack Harkness (who was the face of boe). However, it was Steven Moffat who took this concept and made it a full fledged story arc.
I was at the bookstore today and I found a Doctor Who novel called The Legends of River Song. I guess its some of River's untold adventures both with and without the Doctor.
or it could be the diary of River. I'm only saying that because five thousand year old cave drawings were found with what looks like a Tardis with people standing around it
Uh no. That's not what it is.
"Everybody knows that everybody dies, and nobody knows it like the Doctor. But I do think, that all the skies, of all the worlds, might just turn dark if her ever for one moment, accepts it."
I don't even know why I'm crying so hard, I didn't cry like this the first time I watched this episode. But now I am having all of the feels.
Unless the Doctor in the anniversary episode is the half human Doctor from the alternate dimension and River shows up at some point (pre SITL) for him to give her a modified version of his screwdriver. Because if he were the 10th Doctor circa series 2 he would not know her or have any reason to give her a screwdriver. Which means she'll be obviously be back in Capaldi's run and we have most assuredly not seen the last of River Song. Plus we've still got the whole wife aspect to cover.
I think we will see River in Series 8 because we've yet to see the scene where the Doctor gives River his sonic screwdriver.... The sonic that 10 used to "save" River could be Capaldi's.... And I know we've seen him use Matt's from footage of the filming of Series 8 but that screwdriver might get destroyed like the sonic in the beginning of 5s tenure and he'll get a new one and the new one will be given to River... Or maybe it could be a sonic of a future doctor from an even further point....
There is a mini-sode called First night and last night you should look up.
Jonathan Russo That's the problem, there's a continuity error because he doesn't give her that screwdriver.
I agree. We haven't yet seen River meet The Doctor for the first time and we haven't seen him give her the screwdriver. The River that said goodbye in The Name of The Doctor was the "saved" version.
I ended up buying this screwdriver on Amazon this week... I'm expecting it to show up again. Maybe it'll be seen just once more. Maybe it'll be Capaldi's device.
Geoffrey Sorensen River met the Doctor for the first time in Let's Kill Hitler...
SP Murphy yeah man, me too!
And I'm wondering how and why the fuck is Clara there!
So many questions still remaining, love this god damned show.
And because both RDJ and Moffat envisioned that Doctor Moon is the final regeneration of The Doctor, we can freely imagine that River got to spend the eternity with him - and he with her. After everything after her final, grand sacrifice and after his truly remarkable gesture of spending the whole 24 years with her on Darillium - they did not part ways, not truly.
and that was the day he became my doctor. who would turn armies around with a look and swagger back to his TARDIS, opening the doors with a snap of his fingers. The doctor in the TARDIS, next stop everywhere
Am I the only one who thought of the ninth doctor in the episode the doctor dances, I think that’s what it was called, when he says, “Everybody lives Rose, just this once everybody lives.”
I'm sure it's been said many times before, but the cover of the book at the end looks like the doors of the TARDIS.
@DJPMinecraft The trick with regeneration is that it seems you need a body, or at least a cell, from which to regenerate. The Master came back because they missed one tiny cell stuck on his ring. It looks as if River's entire body was incinerated. There's nothing she can regenerate from.
1:30 when the score hits just right
So this is everyone when their phone is about to die
This episode deserves awards. This is the first episode of River Song. She didn't show up again for a long while, and her last episode, (to our knowledge) was toward the end of the 12th Doctor's time. That's one Hell of a plotline and I think Steven Moffat deserves more respect for that shit!
But this scene. Words can't describe the genius of this scene. I don't remember what I felt the first time I saw this, seen it too many times. But I know that it must've been different than after seeing The Husbands of River Song. And that's... Incredible. It takes a gift to write like this. Or a time machine. But those don't exist now, do they?
There is an interesting thought of River coming back to life, her mind is still in the data core ( just as we saw in NOTD), so what if someone out there in time and space created an artifical body which looks exactly like River, then transfer her mind into it? Interesting concept there.....
+kylephantom4 " artifical body which looks exactly like River" You mean like the Teselecta?
Ábel Farkas
not really the teselecta cause thats a robot, but actual flesh that is created.
The doctor wouldn't trust his name with an artificial river even if she was going to die. However I was thinking all those people got returned back to the library before they were saved. River is saved into the library maybe she can be returned to her body with a little bit of regeneration magic.
+kylephantom4 Autons?
+kylephantom4 Like in the factory with the flesh I think it was called "the flesh" wasn't it ?
In a mini episode the 11th doctor brings river to the singing towers of darillium so that means he should have a different screwdriver
after watching the Husband of River Song you know how the Doctor got River memories...
Favorite monologue of the entire show.
Back then when doctor who was a masterpiece
I believe they published it on the DVD sets... I don't think it was aired on television.
of course :D that is a brilliant theory, i'm assuming that they the xmas special will be when the doctor takes river to the singing towers and gives her the screwdriver then he regens happy knowing that his past self will 'save' her
hes really loving the clicking finger open door thing
watch us run...you and me river one last run...... always makes me tear up
I love the falling superman move
What do we say to the God of Death? 1:28
Theriot6592 Shaolan Lead Amen
Not today!
Not today!
Shame the show ended horribly :(
In fairness, River did die. It's just that a copy of her was saved
Doctor Who is the only show that can foreshadow after the fact and do it flawlesly
Yes, that is very strong possibility. Perhaps CAL smiling at the Doctor when he turned around, was a clue in itself.