I am older guy, I have owned Hi-po 289, Legit Boss 302 crate motor in a maverick, 351w, 5.0 and cleveland, 390, 427, and built 428cj FE, 429scj, 4.6 2v & 3v, Gen 2 coyote. Rare can be really cool and a real pain in the pocket and in just finding parts I owned a 66 Mercury Cyclone GT Holman Moody Edition that had 427 side oiler, fiberglass hood, fenders, deck lid and aluminum bumpers. I didn't know it at the time but it was one of eleven, should not have even been driving it let alone racing it but it was another time. A built coyote with all the shortblock upgrades and cams and boost can make 1000 rwhp without hardy breaking a sweat. As you said everyone is making aftermarket parts for them now, which to an old Ford gear head is something that I never experienced with most of my Ford motors, it was either Ford performance parts or custom stuff. I once bought pistons for one of my FE projects that you could buy a complete LS motor for. Is what it is. I have owned rare and plentiful, I prefer plentiful because more can be done with same money when more parts are available.
I have a 04 Mystichrome Conv.Cobra, I liked your video. The one thing about a Termi is that if you have never driven, rode or owned one then you haven’t experienced one of the iconic cars in American history. The versatility of the motor is still ahead of its time still today. I have a 3.2LC Mammoth Kenne Bell with 3 different power level tunes. 640rwhp-93 oct + torco, 683rwhp-e85, 798rwhp-e85 + pulley swap. They are conservative tunes from Kurgan Motorsports. These motors can handle up to about 1100hp. A lot of motors today can’t handle that straight from the factory and these motors are 16 and 17 years old. They are one of a kind.....Rare.
I’ve crushed many coyotes, terminators, and vettes with my old school set up. 331, V3si, and TKO600. Very few cars with 600+ hp hook up, especially on the street. With those tires and that stance you’ll be bus lengths behind me. Suspension and traction is everything. Push rod all day! Megasquirt or Holley and it’s dead nuts reliable.
@@3pedalfox That's not what show me the receipts meant. In other words where are all these cars that you have crushed. Where are the videos and the PROOF of your claims.
Push rod motors cannot dollar for dollar match the output of overhead cam motors. I have owned built FE motors that made more than 600 rwhp and the money I had in those motors would buy your whole car. It's why Ford developed the 427 SOHC in the sixties because even the hemis could not develop the hp and torque that that motor made but they were hand made and available to only Ford sponsored racers. I could have bought a new in crate 427 SOHC in 1981 for $4500, that's like $50k today. A boosted coyote will leave you in the dust. Why is Ford running a highly modified one in their Cobra Jets? Because it is the best they have and why Pro Stock will not let them run it because Mopar and GM can't keep up with it in full race trim. Push rod engines as much as I love them are in the past when it comes to producing hp and torque big numbers.
@Kenneth Chapman I agree with you 100% on modular motors out performing pushrod motors. But stock block 302 engines can still get the job done. My set up has for many years. Combinations are more than just throwing a blower or turbo on an engine. It takes more than that to actually make a car run well. I will be swapping a Coyote into my fox. The reason why is because, for the amount of money you can build a Dart based engine, you can buy 75% of the parts needed for a swap.
I am so with you the terminator motor is way more unique and it was a production car bench mark for its time it sucks ford was losing money on those motors because they were over built
So the terminator is better because it is more expensive, it has less aftermarket support, less power, and is generally easier to swap. Ya makes sense.
Die hard mustang guy here, coyote is far superior to the terminator engine. No need for me to waste 12 mins of my life watching whatever reasoning you have to say otherwise.
Yup it is a beautiful build and also the information about a terminator swap in a foxbody is like searching in the dark. 5,664 Cobras were produced for the last model year, and it was a short year too in 2004. I love that you kept the stock dash too with your terminator swap.
You forgot to mention 2 things. 1st the Terminator makes a lot more tq at the same hp as an equivalent coyote. 2nd is sound. All the 4.6’s have a deeper roumble.
I am headed to 03-04 swap tell me where you got this crate? I know it's not stock crate but it's at the point where after two blown up 01 svt aluminum cobra builds, I'm swapping.... What company did you buy from? Because the Terminator from Ford i cannot find, they were all hand built in Michigan and no more can i find one original, and i refuse to pick up a 30k warranty on a pulled original anymore I've had two throw a piston out the side of the block and the last one exploded a timing chain and beat everything up ... What company you using for at least crate block?
Termi motor hands down, pushing the 390 in horsepower, honestly I would say that was a bit underrated. From 2001 to 2003 for terminators there was only a gain of 70 horsepower compared to the 99/01 naturally-aspirated 320. Just cranking the boost a little bit knocking on the door for 400 was really easy. I've seen a couple of people with 2003 and 2004 Cobra terminators pushing in the hi 500 horsepower to lo 600-horsepower range, still using the factory Eaton blower, really not too bad you ask me. Actually kind of looking into the hole Stroker thing with the teksid blocks, seen a video off of 1320 videos some guy had a compound boosted / Terminator, everything was pretty much was still stock, running a ported Eaton stock blower also with a pair of turbskies. Doing roll races I found that it was interesting kind of have an idea where I kind of want to go with my Mustang
New sub here. Awesome stuff we are about the same as far as going from pushrods to modular. I have one question. What did u do for engine management? Got a black 89 notch 4 banger but I’m building a 98 cobra motor and was gonna put a s475/T56...just co fused on wiring. Want to keep as much fox as I can.
My first car was a 93 LX 5.0 5 speed, second car was an 03 Cobra convertible. I currently have a 14 GT. A termi swapped foxbody is my dream car, I want another hatchback though.
@@3pedalfox Fad? Not hardly, my 67 Fairlane GTA with a built 428cj, high stall converter, built trans and 430 gears ran 10.38 at 134 mph. I would be divorced if my spouse knew how much it cost to get that engine/car combo into the 10s, let's just say I had more than paid for my 2014 Track pack 5.0 mustang by a substantial amount.
Cool video. Definitely not a common swap, kinda like my buddy's raptor swap. I'm the original owner of my 90 GT and am still pushrod powered (stroked and blown). Happy holidays!
No disrespect cause I really like your channel but your facts are bad off on this one. I totally agree that you see less termi motors so it’s cool for that fact. If you think a coyote swap is cheaper that’s totally false. To build a quality car it’s gone be the same. You have to buy the same stuff to swap either one so not cheaper. Lastly gen1 motors will hold 700 all day. I know that for a fact cause I’ve done it. Like I said no hate just a fact check.
I've been sitting at 650 to wheels with a gen1 for a few years now. It's never been opened up, just a 2.3L PD blower and some injectors/fuel pump. I daily it and beat the hell out of it almost daily and it still runs like it's brand new. If I switch to E85 it will probably be right at 700, but I'll save that for the car is no longer my daily. As long as you have a good tune and don't slap the limiter it'll be fine.
The Cobra Motor can handle more power than the Coyote. The Coyote witll break with more horse power than the Cobra motor. When You open a Termi motor the Rods actually say manly on them lol . Ive owned my 03 since new and love it. These cars were running over 1000 Hp back in the day lol and helped to actually test whipple and KB .Thumbs up my man.
Hey what’s up man. I just subscribe to your channel. And although I have to agree with the terminator being a rare motor. You forget about another 32 valve motor that was made in 2003 and 2004 and that was the Mach 1. It was just naturally aspirated, but same format
@@orange1soda 🤷🏾♂️ you can forged it yourself. The mane thing you want is the DOHC. Terminators motors alone where not good for over 500 hp. Anybody tried it was throwing rods. You probably was just born then. But you can look up old Terminators stock block, adding boost & blowing up
@@bmack1447 my 03 terminator makes 830 wheel hp have no issues. 03 04 cobras were the only fully forged motors. The mach 1 is the same motor as the 96 97 98 cobras good to 450 then Boooooom.
It is cool you have something unique. Your car is bad ass. That being said oil pump gear swaps aren't a big deal if that’s all you have to do to make reliable big power. I just have a basic bitch 17 GT. Threw a VMP GEN2R on it. Injectors and a BAP. 611 WHP in 90 degree temps with the big 85MM pulley. I did oil pump gears as well but overall not a whole lot to have a car that gaps 90% of what I come across on the street.
The mod motors are so awesome ecspecially the old 4v motors. When combined with a pd blower its a match made in heaven. Its exactly what those low displacement high flowing head 4v motors needed. Thank God for john coletti. They can make big power big torque and its soooo smooth and seemless. Wonderful engines.
There all modular engines. I have more respect for the previous non vct 4 valves. But the oiling system is designed better on the coyote block and thats what ford intended.
As much as I enjoy your content I have to disagree, owning a 2011 gt that I bought brand new there wasn’t really anything to match back in the day..still own the car today and still kicks ass but do love the fox body...keep up the good work
The terminators were making 1000 rwhp with turbos and fuel system upgrades on completely stock long blocks years before the coyote even existed. The terminator is as stout a motor as ford has ever made and that is a fact. I also prefer the sound of both the terminator and gt500 motors over the coyote (07-14 5.4/5.8 gt500 NOT the predator that is basically a factory modded coyote with the same firing order that makes it sound different). I love the coyotes my next mustang i add to the collection will have one because i wanna own and build a coyote never have. I prefer the sound of the old pre coyote 4v mod motors they shared the same firing order as the old fox bodies and the windsor motors). They sound so freakin mean. That is another point when comparing the two engines that he didnt even mention. The terminator has a more raw untamed old school feeling....im talkin bout the engine and the way it makes power. Even when both are running a tvs blower around the same power level the cobra usually has more torque and it has it lower down in the power band which gives it an awesome feel on the street (not that the coyotes dont have a great feel too). Its just preference as far as stuff like that but all this stuff factors into it. Plus like he said he likes being different and so do i. I dont wanna just have the same thing 500000 other ppl have that was one factor for me when i got my 07 gt500. I was cross shopping them and coyote cars and i found a good deal on an 07 shelby so i got it and i am so glad that i did. These cars sound so old school and mean. The gt500s and terminators were built in the same vein. Same kinda character.
Bro, look forward to seeing your car at the next Foxtoberfest. Also I mentioned on IG we need those details on those hood clamps and that radio dash kit. Dope.
Owned 2 coyotes and a termi, and those termi motors are monsters and were underrated. My 03 cobra put 368 to the wheels....they were closer to 415-420 at the crank....that being said I dont agree with the trash comment on gen 1 coyotes. My stock 2011 put 371 down to the wheels. The numbers were legit. The termis are just torque monsters that already have good forged internals from the factory. Both good motors in different ways. Currently riding with a 2017 gen 2 5.0. Fun car. The cobras feel more like old school muscle cars than the new mustangs
Im pretty sure the 03 termi was a 4 valve 4.6l an a great motor but kinda pricey when it came out and considering the original 5.0 could only reach around 480 to 500hp b4 the block splits an the new one hots the floor with 425 stock I think that math speaks for its self.either way for my money I would look into the 5.2 voodoo with a flat plane crank.str8 nasty in every way
Terminator approved for sure. My Fox notch however went off the wall in some ways....I chose an old Gen II LT1 and a T56. (most people have NO IDEA it's a Chevy motor until I tell them. UNIQUE is fun. GREAT JOB ON YOUR RIDE! VERY IMPRESSIVE👍
I don’t know if I’d say it’s better the 5.0 you can get an extra hundred horsepower and make it 8oo .I think there’s a reason why they don’t make the 4.6 anymore the 5oh took its place.
I'll give it to him he right about most if it but to me honestly the Gen 2 coyote is the top dog then the Gen 3 is next best after those 2 I would definitely take the terminator motor I think the Gen 1 coyote was pure garbage the big difference between me and him is I don't really like the PD superchargers like Whipple I prefer turbos and prochargers and before anyone ask if I have driven them all yes I have a procharged 2015 gt and a hellion sleeper twin turbo 2019 gt and my brother has a 2017 Whipple camaro ss I think they are cool and the bottom end is great but most of the time you ain't laying down 700+ hp on the street from a dig the tires going to blow off lol even with the Toyota r888r I'm just a top end guy I love my roll racing
@@BuiltVSBought I'm not a hater either. Don't know how you came to that conclusion. By that logic you would be a hater also by stating terminators are the best. I own LS and 5.0 by the way.
I dont beleive that. The terminator and coyote can get up to pretty high hp levels on completely stock longblocks whereas most ls stuff you gotta have other engine mods to achieve that the 4v dohc ford motors were basically made for boost. The ls might have an edge all motor because of raw displacement (they have to be significantly larger in displacement to have said edge) although cube for cube the coyotes are hard to deal with all motor. The terminators have literally made 1000 rwhp on stock longblocks nothing else touched just power adder and fuel system mods. They was doing this years before the coyote even existed and some people fail to remenber this shit. The coyote guys are always on here beating their chests acting superior to the terminators too but really the terminator had the stoutest bottom end ever put into a mustang. It literally has forged manly h beam rods from the factory. The new coyotes can make big power but them rods are not as good as the terminators rods and that is a fact. The terminator is rare only 19000 total made so of course an engine is gonna be more costly by comparison...but it can make some big power on an untouched long block and its one of the meanest sounding motors ever created. This is coming from an 07 gt500 owner. The 5.4 4v in my car is a badass engine too and its better than the terminator in alot of ways but the connecting rods is def not one of those things. The gt500 has powdered forged rods like the newer coyotes have. Its pretty good and can take some power but not as much ultimately as a terminator is capable of on stock bottom. The gt500s have been pushed to 1000 rwhp with turbos on stock motors too but i personally would trust a terminator motor more at 1000 than a gt500 motor because of the stout ass manly h beam rods they have. Im gonna build mine budget minded with a blower swap and im going manly h beam rods as well. Wish my car came with them factory. Its a good excuse to raise the low ass compression these cars have up though.
@@midnight347 why would you up the compression when you are going to boost it? You want low compression so you can run more boost. I have a 1990 coupe coyote 98 cobra 09 shelby and a tt Ls 69 Camaro. You won't get anywhere near 1000 hp stock bottom end with blowing up the engine with the the exception of the LS. AROUND 800 with the coyote, my shelby gt500 made a little over 800 before it started to fall apart my 98 cobra is stock. My LS easily makes 1000 hp and I don't have any problems. It has AFR heads comp cam ARP head studs and that's it for the mechanical. I've had to pour tons of money into my Fords to make the same HP. Like I said, LS is still King.
@@robertelee6712 because 8.4:1 is really low and you can make more power with higher compression. Im going up to 9.7:1 its probably on the edge of pump but im gonna use boostane. You can go even higher todays tuning doesnt require ya to run super low compression like the old days that is a misconception. You need to raise your octane but ya need to do that anyways if youre gonna be makin some big time power imo. If you can run e85 or something else badass like that you can go like 11:1 or better on these engines and its so much better. They make a ton more power with some compression in em.
Absolutely but there are also not many GT500 motors available and I am not sure how well the 5.8 will fit inside of that engine bay. Sorry I am responding from my regular email.
The Terminator is a killer. It is a true purpose built engine with decent internals. Ford SVT threw in everything but the kitchen sink and never really profited. Unlike the Ford Coyote and GM LS, the Terminator wasn’t about profit or cost cutting, it was about performance, potential and the ability to hold up well with significant modifications. Reading through the forums you’ll find plenty of claims close to 200mph, probably faster than what the SN195 is made to run but they do it. I think the stock Horsepower was somewhere around 415hp or close.
Legit im on my 3rd coyote gen3 in my gt lost the 1st one to oil gears. 2nd was on 20 lbs boost and made it 8k miles and developed a rod knock. 3rd engine alls good so far 5k miles on it.
I love the LS and I have an LS swapped 93 standard cab, but I also love the Terminator because my "affordable dream car" was the 04 cobra Mustang. (So im sorry but you keeping a subscriber with a LS) 😂
Terminator is old Research and Development goes back to 1996. Everybody has already done the swap 10 years. Being specific a B motor. Terminator was in a Mark IV. Terminator swap is parts ahead. Your late to the party due to your age..There are no 03/04 cobras laying around. I had a yellow one 03 a red 04 have you ever had the whole car off the lot.
Valter lol I’m late to the game due to my age now that’s funny. I don’t need to prove my age to you nor how many cars I used to own. Where is all of the info since everybody has done the swap. What did you learn when you did the swap since EVERYBODY has done it. I am not telling you what I have done you have seen what I have done and doing now but since it’s so old I would love to see your 2020 GT500 that you bought off the lot.
Blue Oval Media I’m not in to 2020 automatic But your swap was done and most are atleast 10 years old google Bryan Lester and Bryan Anderson Ga did them years ago go to their Facebook page But you stunting on dated builds homie I feel how your In Love with your build but it’s new to you like protouring bigs wheels to Sema we been doing that just saying catch up of course used impressive to you but your late to the party
Valter but you have no proof nor videos of your so called build but still want to tell me I’m ten years behind. I never stunted as if I just discovered something new. I was just giving my opinion on a vehicle that you can see with your own eyes but you keep telling about what other people built 10 years ago but what about yours.
Sry bro but lol the Coyote is the Baddest Mod Motor outthere above the 4.6s a good poweradder combo on a coyote by sumone who knows how to build a highperformance mod motor or even a stock engine with a poweradder could blow both doors off yur foxbody an the fact that its alot heavier is even more amazing,just my opinion butnow that is one Beautiful Foxbody wit the blue valve covers looks mean man it would be nice if you could fire that beast up so we can hearit run.NICE Vid Bro keep the Blue Oval Debates coming 👍
I agree the coyote is the greatest motor ever I just liked the terminator because of it being rare. Make sure you check out the other videos on the channel of the car running
Stock engine for stock engine the Terminator engine actually has more horsepower than the first gen coyote it's actually making what the Gen 2 coyote is making or closer to 430 440 horsepower the engine was underrated from the factory to 390
The terminator was supercharged vs na coyote. It took a supercharger on a 4.6 to make same power as na 5.0. Take away the power adder and then see how much hp/tq the terminator makes.
@@ratrodo3113 it's probably only making about 320 without the blower about the same as a 99 to 01 cobra or Mach 1 but it has a built bottom in and can probably take a lot more abuse than the coyote motor
LS guys know their shit sucks. That's why they have to put them in foxbodys to say they're fast. LOL! You have the best of both worlds, the OG Mustang of our generation, and the engine that put the Camaro out of production for almost 10 years. 💪💪💪
I feel ya bro wearing that Fox Cast shirt you got,bawls but I agree it's a hard stuff!# and to get your hands on Termi and make it work I give you props!! What does the placard say who built it on the Nichi Line? Some builders are much accredited for it and have buillt the the GT 350 R engines and one of them is my boy Phil Pregano. FUCK YOUR LS SWAP!! With your flat top pistons........
Carrillo internals is what makes the Terminator a badass motor. G1 was trash lol no argument. G2 is a tad better and G3 is good but you better sleeve it. It has more reinforcement vs G2 does but that plasma coating can be all over the place. The oil pump gear failure is from two step, limiter and bad harmonics from centrifugal super chargers. Plenty of stock block G2+ making 1200hp+ I want a Terminator SN95 with a power glide. Now to convince the wife.
@@michealortiz3350 03 got Manley and going into 04 but some of the 04s did get Carillo rods and pistons but yes Manley was their main supplier originally.
@@michealortiz3350 sorry bro yeah they did. You can reach out to them if your Google search isn't revealing it. I'd even go as far as to say I remember some 03s late July build date has Carillo rods.
The coyote v8 was in part engineered to be fuel efficient in its stock form with a abit of muscle, terminator is good motor but if your comparing apples to apples stock terminator vs stock coyote they would be equally good, your comparing your modified terminator, come down to texas and put up against these quote on quote "modified " coyotes !! Lol
Theres a reason there aren't many around...they all blew up...the 5.4 was a terrible motor...all the intakes cracked on those also...it had bad cam phasers....and would blow out the plugs
Foxbody engine swap Respect level: (1-10) (10) Coyote swap = from 11 up mustang (10) Termi swap = from 03Cobra mustang (1) Fauxyote swap = from f-150 truck (0) LS swap = from trucks, vans Cheap ain’t good and good ain’t cheap. It cost money to be unique and separate yourself.
Have you seen what the Gen 3s have been doing in numbers lol the gen 3s are the best motors out rn and thats not to say the Gen 2s lacking. Yes we get the the termi is a Gem itself but do some research Gen 2s and 3s are pushing 1100who 8 sec EASY and still a daily. Lol theres a guy right w 80 passes running 8 sec Gen 3 with the tick so where u getting this infor from? Lol theres another guy david single turbo STOCK motor NO OPG and with the tick w a solid 50 passes that reset the Gen 3 record trapping 8.2 now as for Gen 1s those you definitely need to work on
Kenny. it's not what you have at the motor. It's what you have at the rear wheels. You make some valid points. The terminator motor has a forged pistons,crankshaft, & rods that makes the bottom end very strong. But 600 at the motor isn't going to be enough. It's a nice build, though!!! th-cam.com/video/CyoNBQo3AA4/w-d-xo.html Let this be your guide to were you might want to go!!! 1200hp to the wheels!!! Pure Sleeper!!! Nice dedication to your father & your family. May Allah Bless!!!
For the record on 93 octane I have 621 HP to the wheels. Here is the link to prove it. th-cam.com/video/iz3M9DpU0j8/w-d-xo.html 1200HP on the street will mean nothing to me. Thats nice for the track but 1200 is never my goal for this car as you will do nothing but spin the tires on the street.
I'm late on this but you could tittle this video I'm different yeah I'm different , and it would dope too if you had a vert could pull up on the scene with your ceiling missing . Much love bro .
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I am older guy, I have owned Hi-po 289, Legit Boss 302 crate motor in a maverick, 351w, 5.0 and cleveland, 390, 427, and built 428cj FE, 429scj, 4.6 2v & 3v, Gen 2 coyote. Rare can be really cool and a real pain in the pocket and in just finding parts I owned a 66 Mercury Cyclone GT Holman Moody Edition that had 427 side oiler, fiberglass hood, fenders, deck lid and aluminum bumpers. I didn't know it at the time but it was one of eleven, should not have even been driving it let alone racing it but it was another time. A built coyote with all the shortblock upgrades and cams and boost can make 1000 rwhp without hardy breaking a sweat. As you said everyone is making aftermarket parts for them now, which to an old Ford gear head is something that I never experienced with most of my Ford motors, it was either Ford performance parts or custom stuff. I once bought pistons for one of my FE projects that you could buy a complete LS motor for. Is what it is. I have owned rare and plentiful, I prefer plentiful because more can be done with same money when more parts are available.
Love this comment and you have great taste.
I have a 04 Mystichrome Conv.Cobra, I liked your video. The one thing about a Termi is that if you have never driven, rode or owned one then you haven’t experienced one of the iconic cars in American history. The versatility of the motor is still ahead of its time still today. I have a 3.2LC Mammoth Kenne Bell with 3 different power level tunes. 640rwhp-93 oct + torco, 683rwhp-e85, 798rwhp-e85 + pulley swap. They are conservative tunes from Kurgan Motorsports. These motors can handle up to about 1100hp. A lot of motors today can’t handle that straight from the factory and these motors are 16 and 17 years old. They are one of a kind.....Rare.
Ls swapping a foxbody is like whiping before you doodoo. Makes no sense. Love that car btw!
Dude I just laughed so hard.
@@mewrongwayKOCXF sorry I don't speak inbred. Moron
I would love to have a terminator for my Crown Victoria...
I'm a Coyote owner (2013 GT) but as long as its a Ford powering a foxbody I'm 100% for it! No GM engine should be in a Ford product period
I want to know what you have against push rod motors?
5.0 POSSE BX NY RICHIE SCAN . GREAT VIDEO NOTCH BACKs 4 EVER
As a 03 cobra owner I love ur vids Man U got one of the cleanest if not the cleanest fox on TH-cam keep the vids coming
I’ve crushed many coyotes, terminators, and vettes with my old school set up. 331, V3si, and TKO600. Very few cars with 600+ hp hook up, especially on the street. With those tires and that stance you’ll be bus lengths behind me. Suspension and traction is everything. Push rod all day! Megasquirt or Holley and it’s dead nuts reliable.
Show me the receipts LOL
@Blue Oval Media it’s less than a coyote or termi swap 😂😂😂
@@3pedalfox That's not what show me the receipts meant. In other words where are all these cars that you have crushed. Where are the videos and the PROOF of your claims.
Push rod motors cannot dollar for dollar match the output of overhead cam motors. I have owned built FE motors that made more than 600 rwhp and the money I had in those motors would buy your whole car. It's why Ford developed the 427 SOHC in the sixties because even the hemis could not develop the hp and torque that that motor made but they were hand made and available to only Ford sponsored racers. I could have bought a new in crate 427 SOHC in 1981 for $4500, that's like $50k today. A boosted coyote will leave you in the dust. Why is Ford running a highly modified one in their Cobra Jets? Because it is the best they have and why Pro Stock will not let them run it because Mopar and GM can't keep up with it in full race trim. Push rod engines as much as I love them are in the past when it comes to producing hp and torque big numbers.
@Kenneth Chapman I agree with you 100% on modular motors out performing pushrod motors. But stock block 302 engines can still get the job done. My set up has for many years. Combinations are more than just throwing a blower or turbo on an engine. It takes more than that to actually make a car run well. I will be swapping a Coyote into my fox. The reason why is because, for the amount of money you can build a Dart based engine, you can buy 75% of the parts needed for a swap.
I am so with you the terminator motor is way more unique and it was a production car bench mark for its time it sucks ford was losing money on those motors because they were over built
I love the motor it is great
Coyote exhaust sounds like garbage compared to Terminators
LS guys around here had no problem with the terminators back in the day.
So the terminator is better because it is more expensive, it has less aftermarket support, less power, and is generally easier to swap. Ya makes sense.
Cant ever beat the 2v sound tho 😂
Die hard mustang guy here, coyote is far superior to the terminator engine. No need for me to waste 12 mins of my life watching whatever reasoning you have to say otherwise.
Yup it is a beautiful build and also the information about a terminator swap in a foxbody is like searching in the dark. 5,664 Cobras were produced for the last model year, and it was a short year too in 2004. I love that you kept the stock dash too with your terminator swap.
Got a shelby gt 500 and I'll take a centrifugal over a wimple any day
Why?
Whipple ALL DAY
You forgot to mention 2 things. 1st the Terminator makes a lot more tq at the same hp as an equivalent coyote. 2nd is sound. All the 4.6’s have a deeper roumble.
Facts
And remember colletti lost his job because he said we gave away $10,000 worth of free parts
I am headed to 03-04 swap tell me where you got this crate? I know it's not stock crate but it's at the point where after two blown up 01 svt aluminum cobra builds, I'm swapping.... What company did you buy from? Because the Terminator from Ford i cannot find, they were all hand built in Michigan and no more can i find one original, and i refuse to pick up a 30k warranty on a pulled original anymore I've had two throw a piston out the side of the block and the last one exploded a timing chain and beat everything up ...
What company you using for at least crate block?
I'm a Turbo'ed Stroked 351 fan. Incredibly beautiful build. Love went into that,
Thanks so much
Termi motor hands down, pushing the 390 in horsepower, honestly I would say that was a bit underrated. From 2001 to 2003 for terminators there was only a gain of 70 horsepower compared to the 99/01 naturally-aspirated 320. Just cranking the boost a little bit knocking on the door for 400 was really easy. I've seen a couple of people with 2003 and 2004 Cobra terminators pushing in the hi 500 horsepower to lo 600-horsepower range, still using the factory Eaton blower, really not too bad you ask me. Actually kind of looking into the hole Stroker thing with the teksid blocks, seen a video off of 1320 videos some guy had a compound boosted / Terminator, everything was pretty much was still stock, running a ported Eaton stock blower also with a pair of turbskies. Doing roll races I found that it was interesting kind of have an idea where I kind of want to go with my Mustang
New sub here. Awesome stuff we are about the same as far as going from pushrods to modular. I have one question. What did u do for engine management? Got a black 89 notch 4 banger but I’m building a 98 cobra motor and was gonna put a s475/T56...just co fused on wiring. Want to keep as much fox as I can.
Ron francis Kit with 04 cobra computer and an SCTx4
My first car was a 93 LX 5.0 5 speed, second car was an 03 Cobra convertible. I currently have a 14 GT. A termi swapped foxbody is my dream car, I want another hatchback though.
Go and get it
LLMMMAAOOOO
“EVerYoNe hAzZ a CoYOTeeh sWaP”
🤣🤣 600hp and still runs 11’a swallow that pill 😂😂
Does it run 11"s?????
$10k for 11s is slow AF! Coyotes are a fad. I’ve seen to many builds done wrong. Gen 2 is a must, T56, and 4.10 to start.
GEN 3 coyote makes 600 hp NA on E85. Add full length headers and drag radials and you can run high 10s with the 10 speed automatic
@@3pedalfox Fad? Not hardly, my 67 Fairlane GTA with a built 428cj, high stall converter, built trans and 430 gears ran 10.38 at 134 mph. I would be divorced if my spouse knew how much it cost to get that engine/car combo into the 10s, let's just say I had more than paid for my 2014 Track pack 5.0 mustang by a substantial amount.
Love the terminator motors
Me too
Coyote is a waaaaaaaaaay better engine and overall platform then a terminator……. FACTS
You know what I might agree now
Cool video. Definitely not a common swap, kinda like my buddy's raptor swap. I'm the original owner of my 90 GT and am still pushrod powered (stroked and blown). Happy holidays!
I'm going with a teksid build...F a LS!
The voodoo is number 1
No disrespect cause I really like your channel but your facts are bad off on this one. I totally agree that you see less termi motors so it’s cool for that fact. If you think a coyote swap is cheaper that’s totally false. To build a quality car it’s gone be the same. You have to buy the same stuff to swap either one so not cheaper. Lastly gen1 motors will hold 700 all day. I know that for a fact cause I’ve done it. Like I said no hate just a fact check.
I've been sitting at 650 to wheels with a gen1 for a few years now. It's never been opened up, just a 2.3L PD blower and some injectors/fuel pump. I daily it and beat the hell out of it almost daily and it still runs like it's brand new. If I switch to E85 it will probably be right at 700, but I'll save that for the car is no longer my daily. As long as you have a good tune and don't slap the limiter it'll be fine.
The Cobra Motor can handle more power than the Coyote. The Coyote witll break with more horse power than the Cobra motor. When You open a Termi motor the Rods actually say manly on them lol . Ive owned my 03 since new and love it. These cars were running over 1000 Hp back in the day lol and helped to actually test whipple and KB .Thumbs up my man.
No way you can find a mustang gt coyote 11-20 for 3500 lol. More like a truck motor. Gt motor 5k and up.
Hey what’s up man. I just subscribe to your channel. And although I have to agree with the terminator being a rare motor. You forget about another 32 valve motor that was made in 2003 and 2004 and that was the Mach 1. It was just naturally aspirated, but same format
It wasnt a fully forged engine. The mac1 is crap.
@@orange1soda 🤷🏾♂️ you can forged it yourself. The mane thing you want is the DOHC. Terminators motors alone where not good for over 500 hp. Anybody tried it was throwing rods. You probably was just born then. But you can look up old Terminators stock block, adding boost & blowing up
@@bmack1447 my 03 terminator makes 830 wheel hp have no issues. 03 04 cobras were the only fully forged motors. The mach 1 is the same motor as the 96 97 98 cobras good to 450 then Boooooom.
The 4v 4.6/5.4 look a lot better than the coyote.
It is cool you have something unique. Your car is bad ass. That being said oil pump gear swaps aren't a big deal if that’s all you have to do to make reliable big power.
I just have a basic bitch 17 GT. Threw a VMP GEN2R on it. Injectors and a BAP. 611 WHP in 90 degree temps with the big 85MM pulley.
I did oil pump gears as well but overall not a whole lot to have a car that gaps 90% of what I come across on the street.
I love 03-04 Cobras but I would take a Dart Block 363 with a blower or turbo personally. But both are top notch IMO
I am a fan of both as well
The mod motors are so awesome ecspecially the old 4v motors. When combined with a pd blower its a match made in heaven. Its exactly what those low displacement high flowing head 4v motors needed. Thank God for john coletti. They can make big power big torque and its soooo smooth and seemless. Wonderful engines.
100% agree with everything you say. I’m in the middle of a Gen 2 swap. Peace.
Big fan of the gen 2 and congrats.
Ford guys are hilarious
There all modular engines. I have more respect for the previous non vct 4 valves. But the oiling system is designed better on the coyote block and thats what ford intended.
As much as I enjoy your content I have to disagree, owning a 2011 gt that I bought brand new there wasn’t really anything to match back in the day..still own the car today and still kicks ass but do love the fox body...keep up the good work
So I will admit that the coyote motor is the best ford ever made. I just believe in having things that are rare.
The terminators were making 1000 rwhp with turbos and fuel system upgrades on completely stock long blocks years before the coyote even existed. The terminator is as stout a motor as ford has ever made and that is a fact. I also prefer the sound of both the terminator and gt500 motors over the coyote (07-14 5.4/5.8 gt500 NOT the predator that is basically a factory modded coyote with the same firing order that makes it sound different). I love the coyotes my next mustang i add to the collection will have one because i wanna own and build a coyote never have. I prefer the sound of the old pre coyote 4v mod motors they shared the same firing order as the old fox bodies and the windsor motors). They sound so freakin mean. That is another point when comparing the two engines that he didnt even mention. The terminator has a more raw untamed old school feeling....im talkin bout the engine and the way it makes power. Even when both are running a tvs blower around the same power level the cobra usually has more torque and it has it lower down in the power band which gives it an awesome feel on the street (not that the coyotes dont have a great feel too). Its just preference as far as stuff like that but all this stuff factors into it. Plus like he said he likes being different and so do i. I dont wanna just have the same thing 500000 other ppl have that was one factor for me when i got my 07 gt500. I was cross shopping them and coyote cars and i found a good deal on an 07 shelby so i got it and i am so glad that i did. These cars sound so old school and mean. The gt500s and terminators were built in the same vein. Same kinda character.
Nice car
If the LS is worse then the terminator why is the worlds fastest foxbody powered by a 5.3 LS with a stock bottom end. Riddle me that.
Haha why the fuc do you think there is no Ford motors in a Chevy? Cuz LS is far superior
Tell me this, if the LS is so good, why is it still slower then the fastest mod motor in the 1/4 mile and standing mile?? I'll wait 😴😴
Bro, look forward to seeing your car at the next Foxtoberfest. Also I mentioned on IG we need those details on those hood clamps and that radio dash kit. Dope.
Ryan G that radio piece was custom made and the hood pins are called aero catch
@@singleandsaved Ah ok. I figured it was a custom piece. Looks good man.
Owned 2 coyotes and a termi, and those termi motors are monsters and were underrated. My 03 cobra put 368 to the wheels....they were closer to 415-420 at the crank....that being said I dont agree with the trash comment on gen 1 coyotes. My stock 2011 put 371 down to the wheels. The numbers were legit. The termis are just torque monsters that already have good forged internals from the factory. Both good motors in different ways. Currently riding with a 2017 gen 2 5.0. Fun car. The cobras feel more like old school muscle cars than the new mustangs
The first 15 seconds was the best!!
Im pretty sure the 03 termi was a 4 valve 4.6l an a great motor but kinda pricey when it came out and considering the original 5.0 could only reach around 480 to 500hp b4 the block splits an the new one hots the floor with 425 stock I think that math speaks for its self.either way for my money I would look into the 5.2 voodoo with a flat plane crank.str8 nasty in every way
That 5.2 is pricey
Hey I got a 99 what you think about me putting a 97-98 LSC MOTOR IN
As long as it is supercharged
Terminator approved for sure. My Fox notch however went off the wall in some ways....I chose an old Gen II LT1 and a T56. (most people have NO IDEA it's a Chevy motor until I tell them. UNIQUE is fun.
GREAT JOB ON YOUR RIDE! VERY IMPRESSIVE👍
Ahh you burned my eyes writing that!
You running a boost-a-spark?
I don’t know if I’d say it’s better the 5.0 you can get an extra hundred horsepower and make it 8oo .I think there’s a reason why they don’t make the 4.6 anymore the 5oh took its place.
Where do you find the termi motor
I'll give it to him he right about most if it but to me honestly the Gen 2 coyote is the top dog then the Gen 3 is next best after those 2 I would definitely take the terminator motor I think the Gen 1 coyote was pure garbage the big difference between me and him is I don't really like the PD superchargers like Whipple I prefer turbos and prochargers and before anyone ask if I have driven them all yes I have a procharged 2015 gt and a hellion sleeper twin turbo 2019 gt and my brother has a 2017 Whipple camaro ss I think they are cool and the bottom end is great but most of the time you ain't laying down 700+ hp on the street from a dig the tires going to blow off lol even with the Toyota r888r I'm just a top end guy I love my roll racing
I respect what you are saying.
I love the terminator and coyote but the LS is still the king.
LOL I am not a hater so I understand
@@BuiltVSBought I'm not a hater either. Don't know how you came to that conclusion. By that logic you would be a hater also by stating terminators are the best. I own LS and 5.0 by the way.
I dont beleive that. The terminator and coyote can get up to pretty high hp levels on completely stock longblocks whereas most ls stuff you gotta have other engine mods to achieve that the 4v dohc ford motors were basically made for boost. The ls might have an edge all motor because of raw displacement (they have to be significantly larger in displacement to have said edge) although cube for cube the coyotes are hard to deal with all motor. The terminators have literally made 1000 rwhp on stock longblocks nothing else touched just power adder and fuel system mods. They was doing this years before the coyote even existed and some people fail to remenber this shit. The coyote guys are always on here beating their chests acting superior to the terminators too but really the terminator had the stoutest bottom end ever put into a mustang. It literally has forged manly h beam rods from the factory. The new coyotes can make big power but them rods are not as good as the terminators rods and that is a fact. The terminator is rare only 19000 total made so of course an engine is gonna be more costly by comparison...but it can make some big power on an untouched long block and its one of the meanest sounding motors ever created. This is coming from an 07 gt500 owner. The 5.4 4v in my car is a badass engine too and its better than the terminator in alot of ways but the connecting rods is def not one of those things. The gt500 has powdered forged rods like the newer coyotes have. Its pretty good and can take some power but not as much ultimately as a terminator is capable of on stock bottom. The gt500s have been pushed to 1000 rwhp with turbos on stock motors too but i personally would trust a terminator motor more at 1000 than a gt500 motor because of the stout ass manly h beam rods they have. Im gonna build mine budget minded with a blower swap and im going manly h beam rods as well. Wish my car came with them factory. Its a good excuse to raise the low ass compression these cars have up though.
@@midnight347 why would you up the compression when you are going to boost it? You want low compression so you can run more boost. I have a 1990 coupe coyote 98 cobra 09 shelby and a tt Ls 69 Camaro. You won't get anywhere near 1000 hp stock bottom end with blowing up the engine with the the exception of the LS. AROUND 800 with the coyote, my shelby gt500 made a little over 800 before it started to fall apart my 98 cobra is stock. My LS easily makes 1000 hp and I don't have any problems. It has AFR heads comp cam ARP head studs and that's it for the mechanical. I've had to pour tons of money into my Fords to make the same HP. Like I said, LS is still King.
@@robertelee6712 because 8.4:1 is really low and you can make more power with higher compression. Im going up to 9.7:1 its probably on the edge of pump but im gonna use boostane. You can go even higher todays tuning doesnt require ya to run super low compression like the old days that is a misconception. You need to raise your octane but ya need to do that anyways if youre gonna be makin some big time power imo. If you can run e85 or something else badass like that you can go like 11:1 or better on these engines and its so much better. They make a ton more power with some compression in em.
Preach! I should be in the 600 club and Hopefully in a couple of months I’ll be in the 700 club.
Lets get it
Placing an 04 termi in my 1958 Edsel Bermuda with 6 speed, gonna be SWEEEEEET! Love the whine !!
That will be amazing
I like your car, so glad you went ford power!!!
bruh you flexing hard the first three minutes my boi
Drag race a coyote with the same numbers to prove the termi is better
No problem let me know when yours is finished
Do you think the gt500 motor is a rare engine? You don't see hardly any swap into a 93 notch.
Absolutely but there are also not many GT500 motors available and I am not sure how well the 5.8 will fit inside of that engine bay. Sorry I am responding from my regular email.
The Terminator is a killer. It is a true purpose built engine with decent internals. Ford SVT threw in everything but the kitchen sink and never really profited. Unlike the Ford Coyote and GM LS, the Terminator wasn’t about profit or cost cutting, it was about performance, potential and the ability to hold up well with significant modifications. Reading through the forums you’ll find plenty of claims close to 200mph, probably faster than what the SN195 is made to run but they do it. I think the stock Horsepower was somewhere around 415hp or close.
You know your stuff very well
Im past 8mins and i still likes coyotes
I like coyotes too and I state that in the video.
@@BuiltVSBought just a joke my friend, if i had your car i may see things differently though
i want to see how you would do against a 18+ gen3 10 speed auto
Legit im on my 3rd coyote gen3 in my gt lost the 1st one to oil gears. 2nd was on 20 lbs boost and made it 8k miles and developed a rod knock. 3rd engine alls good so far 5k miles on it.
I love the LS and I have an LS swapped 93 standard cab, but I also love the Terminator because my "affordable dream car" was the 04 cobra Mustang. (So im sorry but you keeping a subscriber with a LS) 😂
😂😂😂😂😂😂 I appreciate you
You need to get iron fist lead foot if you haven’t. Amazing book and you clearly own a terminator lol Js.
Terminator is old Research and Development goes back to 1996. Everybody has already done the swap 10 years. Being specific a B motor. Terminator was in a Mark IV. Terminator swap is parts ahead. Your late to the party due to your age..There are no 03/04 cobras laying around. I had a yellow one 03 a red 04 have you ever had the whole car off the lot.
Valter lol I’m late to the game due to my age now that’s funny. I don’t need to prove my age to you nor how many cars I used to own. Where is all of the info since everybody has done the swap. What did you learn when you did the swap since EVERYBODY has done it. I am not telling you what I have done you have seen what I have done and doing now but since it’s so old I would love to see your 2020 GT500 that you bought off the lot.
I bought my My motor to MMR and rebuilt it to my likings it was sweet for the year I drove it
Blue Oval Media I’m not in to 2020 automatic
But your swap was done and most are atleast 10 years old google Bryan Lester and Bryan Anderson Ga did them years ago go to their Facebook page
But you stunting on dated builds homie
I feel how your In Love with your build but it’s new to you like protouring bigs wheels to Sema we been doing that just saying catch up of course used impressive to you but your late to the party
Blue Oval Media The Terminator swap is late and then you confessed to having in past dealings with 700 hp
Valter but you have no proof nor videos of your so called build but still want to tell me I’m ten years behind. I never stunted as if I just discovered something new. I was just giving my opinion on a vehicle that you can see with your own eyes but you keep telling about what other people built 10 years ago but what about yours.
Coyote 5.0 < 4V Terminator 4.6 HOWEVER ...Boss 302 "Roadrunner" 5.0 is way better than both.
Sry bro but lol the Coyote is the Baddest Mod Motor outthere above the 4.6s a good poweradder combo on a coyote by sumone who knows how to build a highperformance mod motor or even a stock engine with a poweradder could blow both doors off yur foxbody an the fact that its alot heavier is even more amazing,just my opinion butnow that is one Beautiful Foxbody wit the blue valve covers looks mean man it would be nice if you could fire that beast up so we can hearit run.NICE Vid Bro keep the Blue Oval Debates coming 👍
I agree the coyote is the greatest motor ever I just liked the terminator because of it being rare. Make sure you check out the other videos on the channel of the car running
That’s one sick build man.
Thanks so much
So the only reason the terminator motor is because its rare?
Stock engine for stock engine the Terminator engine actually has more horsepower than the first gen coyote it's actually making what the Gen 2 coyote is making or closer to 430 440 horsepower the engine was underrated from the factory to 390
The terminator was supercharged vs na coyote. It took a supercharger on a 4.6 to make same power as na 5.0. Take away the power adder and then see how much hp/tq the terminator makes.
@@ratrodo3113 it's probably only making about 320 without the blower about the same as a 99 to 01 cobra or Mach 1 but it has a built bottom in and can probably take a lot more abuse than the coyote motor
Good video! I love my coyote swaps tho.
Its a good thing love ford power I love both
So true...
Theres a bunch in junkyard for a reason...you dont find ls only ls3 in suvs... you never find a true ls which is all aluminum in scrapyard
My man talking TRUTH!
LS guys know their shit sucks. That's why they have to put them in foxbodys to say they're fast. LOL!
You have the best of both worlds, the OG Mustang of our generation, and the engine that put the Camaro out of production for almost 10 years. 💪💪💪
I love it
Such a dope build
Over paid for an engine 🙌
I feel ya bro wearing that Fox Cast shirt you got,bawls but I agree it's a hard stuff!# and to get your hands on Termi and make it work I give you props!! What does the placard say who built it on the Nichi Line? Some builders are much accredited for it and have buillt the the GT 350 R engines and one of them is my boy Phil Pregano. FUCK YOUR LS SWAP!! With your flat top pistons........
Always keep it...
FORD POWER!!!
"I BLEED BLUE"
Can i get some of this action this summer?? 😁
There’s a reason “everybody don’t got it.” Lol It’s a piece of shit compared to the coyote.
Nothing like a turbo 6.0 fox
I have gen 1 coyote 2.3 supercharger 600hp and love it . COYOTE FTW
Carrillo internals is what makes the Terminator a badass motor. G1 was trash lol no argument. G2 is a tad better and G3 is good but you better sleeve it. It has more reinforcement vs G2 does but that plasma coating can be all over the place. The oil pump gear failure is from two step, limiter and bad harmonics from centrifugal super chargers. Plenty of stock block G2+ making 1200hp+
I want a Terminator SN95 with a power glide. Now to convince the wife.
03 cobras didn't have Carrillo internals 🤦♂️
@@michealortiz3350 03 got Manley and going into 04 but some of the 04s did get Carillo rods and pistons but yes Manley was their main supplier originally.
@@Hanibul_Lecktor no, none of the 04's got Carrillo rods.
@@michealortiz3350 sorry bro yeah they did. You can reach out to them if your Google search isn't revealing it. I'd even go as far as to say I remember some 03s late July build date has Carillo rods.
@@michealortiz3350 I'll help you, one sec
Are you still running AC?
I will have it hooked up by May
@@BuiltVSBought my car th-cam.com/video/JExEQhz6EAw/w-d-xo.html
@@matthewtully1745 Man open the hood for us next time but great car.
HAHA bruh, My brother and I are doing a termi swap to the 87 white notchback I have.. going to get a wrecked terminator and use it to do the swap
The coyote v8 was in part engineered to be fuel efficient in its stock form with a abit of muscle, terminator is good motor but if your comparing apples to apples stock terminator vs stock coyote they would be equally good, your comparing your modified terminator, come down to texas and put up against these quote on quote "modified " coyotes !! Lol
Theres a reason there aren't many around...they all blew up...the 5.4 was a terrible motor...all the intakes cracked on those also...it had bad cam phasers....and would blow out the plugs
The termi is a 4.6 hater. Read something sometime!
Facts💯🔥🔥
I love your build.
Foxbody engine swap Respect level: (1-10)
(10) Coyote swap = from 11 up mustang
(10) Termi swap = from 03Cobra mustang
(1) Fauxyote swap = from f-150 truck
(0) LS swap = from trucks, vans
Cheap ain’t good and good ain’t cheap. It cost money to be unique and separate yourself.
Love the content good video
Have you seen what the Gen 3s have been doing in numbers lol the gen 3s are the best motors out rn and thats not to say the Gen 2s lacking. Yes we get the the termi is a Gem itself but do some research Gen 2s and 3s are pushing 1100who 8 sec EASY and still a daily. Lol theres a guy right w 80 passes running 8 sec Gen 3 with the tick so where u getting this infor from? Lol theres another guy david single turbo STOCK motor NO OPG and with the tick w a solid 50 passes that reset the Gen 3 record trapping 8.2 now as for Gen 1s those you definitely need to work on
Kenny. it's not what you have at the motor. It's what you have at the rear wheels. You make some valid points. The terminator motor has a forged pistons,crankshaft, & rods that makes the bottom end very strong. But 600 at the motor isn't going to be enough. It's a nice build, though!!! th-cam.com/video/CyoNBQo3AA4/w-d-xo.html Let this be your guide to were you might want to go!!! 1200hp to the wheels!!! Pure Sleeper!!! Nice dedication to your father & your family. May Allah Bless!!!
For the record on 93 octane I have 621 HP to the wheels. Here is the link to prove it. th-cam.com/video/iz3M9DpU0j8/w-d-xo.html 1200HP on the street will mean nothing to me. Thats nice for the track but 1200 is never my goal for this car as you will do nothing but spin the tires on the street.
I'm late on this but you could tittle this video I'm different yeah I'm different , and it would dope too if you had a vert could pull up on the scene with your ceiling missing . Much love bro .
Just unsubscribed....bye....
First. Beautiful fox you have.
I'm a big fan of your channel and have been subscribed for a while under my real name and thanks
Blue Oval Media thank you I appreciate your support Merry Christmas to you and your family.🙏🏻