Every 6 liter ive bought has come with a truck attached. Buy a messed up Yukon Denali or something for $1500. Comes with all extra accessories and things you need. Part out the truck to recoup most or all of your initial cost and you're all set.
Most times when you buy a 6.0 out already it ends up having issues and everyone has a hard on for a 6.0. Best bang for buck is 5.3 with a cam and good 243/799/706 head.
Guys the show is a real winner so far . Down to earth builds and not a bunch of big budget stuff. Good vibes and friendly happy folks. Please Please Please dont change as you grow or sale out to tv types or start the money games with your viewers. I appreciate your hard work and bringing us good info and entertainment. 🛠️💪🇺🇲👍✝️🙏
Agreed. I get tired of the big budget shows acting like they are stuck with some kind of tight ass budget, but then they show tens of thousands of dollars of parts they are throwing at a "budget" immaculate car.
"So if you're still with us and haven't clicked the new vice grip garage video yet..." 😂😂 I'm a huge VGG fan and super appreciate the props and respect among the car community, especially the youtube car channel community. I knew I liked you, Tony (and the crew), but this just put the cherry on top! I'm already a subscriber and really appreciate your content and what y'all bring to us viewers. Thanks for being real and relatable!
I've had all three and the best is the ignored 4.8. Find an early 2000 Yukon or GMC as a donor. That 4.8 will outlast the other 2 no problem. And you are right the new VGG video was great as always. But I am here so you DONT LOSE THE SHOP
So what's so great about the 4.8 ? You didn't even give some specifics about pros and cons, please give the comment section some proper information on why you say get a 4.8 instead of a 5.3/ 6.0 ?
Study all three engines. Architecture, specifications, block designs etc. I can't lay it all out in the comments section. Start with Wikipedia for example. If you do then you will have learned the differences and decide which is best for your application. For me from my own experiences I properly prefer the performance of the 4.8 But make up your own mind and go with that works for you.@@hajileserpud9539
@@hajileserpud9539 For budget builds they just hold up the longest. It comes down to bore/stroke. The 4.8/5.3 have smaller bores which means less pressure on the rod. Keeping the power lower at lower rpm really helps keep the engine alive. The 4.8 has a shorter stroke, moving that power band even higher, helping the rods out further. The bigger displacement engines tend to spool the turbo sooner which further stresses the rods. Simply put, at 700hp on all 3 engines the 6.0 sees the most stress over the entire rpm band and higher peak torque. The lq4 has come down in price a lot in the past few years so I tend to go with that for a higher ceiling potential and lower rpm grunt.
@@mickrambo6787more stress equals more output overall. I use 6.0 for everything. They like to go full blast and come back for more, time again and more. Why bother with loosing displacement? I’m talking factory engines in the trucks it came in being tortured in the line of commercial duty. Talking every generation of 6.0ls, from the 99 cast head first versions I had were a beast! And all the one ton dump trucks and fleet vehicles that got disrespected by random employees and other negligence. Skirt slap and all. Nobody should ever shy away from a 6.0 for a street built and stock engine because of reliability. That’s Ludacris
Love what y'all have been doing lately. Just a better vibe compared to the Motor Trend & Hagerty stuff. Can't wait to see more Sikeclone stuff... I'd love to build something similar someday using a Olds Bravada chassis body-swapped with a late-model Corvair I have sitting around.
for a 24x 5.3 the L33 code is the unicorn. aluminum block, 799 heads, gen 4 rods, 4.8 flat top pistons and a slightly bigger cam. came out of a 2004-2007 silverado Z71 4x4
My 2004 Silverado 2500HD has the LQ4 6.0 and love it. My understanding is the 5.3 is more for HP and the 6.0 is for torque. That's what i read, anyway. 248000 miles and going strong.
I do know that if you get an older 4.8 5.3 block and it has to be stamped 4.8/5.3. Those have walls thick enough that you can bore them out to LS1 pistons. Also the 5.3 has a dish piston and the 4.8 had a flattop piston giving it a higher compression ratio than the 5.3 in a way to boost power. So don’t shy away from an older quality 4.8 motor. Keep the flattop pistons and put a 5.3 crank in it and have fun.
A 4.8 and a dished piston 5.3 are within 10hp with stock heads and the same mods n/a, the difference is the extra tq the 5.3 makes. I wouldn't waste my time turning a 5.3 into an LS1 unless you have very special circumstances, like having the pistons laying around, able to get the machine work done dirt cheap and it's n/a only. If you're using boost don't waste your time or money on machine work or heads, just a cam+springs, fuel system, converter, turbo a 4.8/5.3 with 706/862 heads, no need to use 243/799 on anything smaller than 6.0 and I wouldn't on a 6.0 for the extra tq under the curve vs 10hp or less for 800rpms at the very top, rec ports on a flat top piston 6.0 are a compromise and a half, maybe they make more power with the largest cam they allow p-v for vs the same on with cathedral ports, however the cathedral ports allow significantly more cam, build more compression, make more tq, have less valvetrain to issues with budget parts, cost less, spool quicker, better throttle response, better part throttle driving and economy. I can't see using an 821/823 head on less than a 388/402/408/416/427/442/454/468. A ported, milled 243/799 on a 5.7/6.0/6.2/383/402/408/416/427 or ported, milled and possibly upgraded to 2' intake valve 706/862 is better for a flat top 5.3/5.7/6.0/6.2/383 then 706/862 ported, milled with std valves on a 4.8/5.3/5.7/6.0.
The 6.0 already had the advantage of more displacement but the 823 rec port heads will out flow the 799 cathedral port heads without even trying. all day long not a fair test ! But a fun test overall 😎👍
You guys are killing it cranking out high quality content like this! Really appreciate the hard work you boys do. Also Tony you took that nose waxing like a champ. I pluck one nose hair and my eyes start watering and I go into a sneezing fit.
I’m stoked on this video! I just got a Yukon for free with a 5.3 as my donor vehicle for my 98 s10. I’ve been gathering parts and knowledge to do the swap! I’m nervous but can’t wait!
@@yurimodin7333I have been watching and reading everything I can! I originally was going to go old school sbc but this was free. My dad and I painted the truck, and it’s dropped 3 inches. It’s looks really good, so this swap has to be perfect 🤞🏻
I took a 03 5.3 and used msd and carburetor it runs good in my 86 Caprice 2dr watching you guys do a simple cam swap is exactly what i want to do this winter love your show and vgg is next in my Q
Hi I just pulled a truck engine 5.3 and hope to get installed in my 69 3/4 ton truck what do I need to do a carburetor and type of disarm controller would you recommend I’ve never touched one other than change oil and filter on it
@@unclecowboy2003 I just bought the msd holly kit for the ls platform comes with harness the only thing you supply is starter and carb of choice for now i have the Edelbrock 1406
I’m about to do this with an edelbrock dual plane edelbrock 600 or 650 and a smartspark slss box instead of an msd box based off another TH-cam channels bad experiences with it.. I almost considered getting the distributor kit too but the price was too high for me.
@@dbag222 that's interesting I had never heard of the system I am looking to do another one for my truck I am interested in how that works for you I don't have a problem with the msd so far I didn't know there was anything else 😕
Summit cams generally use smaller base circles meaning the 7.4 pushrods are on the short side. They'll work but they'll be noisy. Combine that with low oil pressure not providing the lifters with enough volume/pressure to pump up properly and that will definitely set you back 40-50 hp.
Everytime I've pulled a 4.8 from the yard they have always been so clean. Not beat on. The 5.3s are hit and miss and the 6.0s always had bad cam bearings.
Friggin awesome! Damn entertaining. Tony's always been real, the boys are great! Content perfect for local shop boys, everyone looking for more power, knowledge and know how. Very cool! Never a waste of time. Thanks.
One of (there are more) the things I have really liked about your channel is that you DON’T build the same things as other channels. And now another LS video. Sigh…. I do have to say that running a chassis (only) on a chassis dyno is a first and was hilarious! As was the ending. You are a stand up guy for showing that! 👍
IDK, I love the LS platform, it was pretty new to them, so damn easy to build. And that 5.3 was a fail for sure, it's got problems. the 6.0 was on par though.
I can't think of a single youtube or professionally produced show as good as you do it. You brought the thunder on HRG with awesome projects, doing it again here, VGG is one side of American TH-cam, Mullet country boys, who you have to watch on 1.75 speed as they talk so slow, and do the same content over and over, then you guys the other side, the drive to do new projects, and really put in the effort, nothing else like it!
The 6.0 in my truck had a low oil pressure warning when I bought it 150,000 miles ago. I switched it to 15w40 rotella, run it a quart over full with around a quart of Lucas oil. Tows 15-20k a day and runs perfect at 350,000 miles. Don’t do what I do though lol
Commercial user of the 6.0 engines since 99 and beyond, skirt slap and all. Most dependable loyal hearty engines ever. Seen all the problems they get and they are better than the rest all day long.
@@ericharris893 I’ve had lots of them as well and I really like them. This ones way better on fuel then any of the others I’ve had though for some reason
Hell yeah Tony what a bad deal for you buddy I was really hoping the ole 5.3 was gonna win Thanks for the great content brother. Y’all are the best. !!!!!!
@@LeeHendo yep..and i soon left. When I build my engines...I want them to last. The 370 cube I built for my Buick has logged 50k in 5 years..a lot of those miles were spent at wide open throttle up to the 7k rev limit I've set.
@@mynameis63 an N/A 370 isn't really the best bang for the buck if pure power is the goal, a 4.8/,4,L80e pullout from a Van with a cam+springs, converter, shift kit/double feed and a basic Don't BS Me GT45 build will put down a strong 550-600whp on Diehl Paving,'s stingy Dyno and run solid 10s if not high 9s in a Fox weight platform for less than most people can buy a used 6.0 for much less send one off to the machine shop and do a full on performance build, most N/A engines will need significantly more peak HP to run those times because they can't generate the TQ curve these turbo engines make under the curve. If you like an N/A build I understand, it's not the ticket for the most possible speed per $ though, it's just what you want to invest in and run.
I think its great Tony went independent. I remember all the articles I read in Hot Rod magazine and just thinking only if I had unlimited money to buy all those high dollar parts. Now then as Im adult I pay the bills first before even thinking about blowing money on just a toy, these days its about survival. Not everybody is getting sponsor kickbacks because i freely made a commercial selling your hot rod parts.Toneys show is great for the real world auto guys.
The main thing that you get with the 6.0 is the much better squareport heads. Also LY6 is VVT not DOD. My LY6 with stock everything but slightly smaller cam (.590 lift) made 399hp 399ft/lb at the wheels through a manual. Something is very wrong with that 6.0
I was thinking the same thing, my 5.7 LS-6 with a similar size cam and very mildly worked heads made 404/350 through a manual. I figured a 6.0 with square ports would do a good bit better
I think we all agree it’s at least 50hp off. I always use a FAST and long tubes but they should be 400 minimum as there’s sit. The intake manifold they are using SUCK under 7000 RPM.
I wonder if a leakdown would help diagnose the power problem on the 5.3? Stay safe guys. That unrestrained driveshaft had me worried. Can't wait to see some AWD goodness!!!
It would be odd not to leakdown test every engine on the stand during preinstall inspection. My bro and I briefly run them on engine stands. We always get the harnesses and I delete ATS when I download then reflash the ECUs. (OBDX make some great adapters, just get a blue connector to spare to make yourself a bench harness.)
You guys are the best and I wanna stay positive so this is coming from a place of love: y’all gotta step up the audio game. Master it better. The highest highs vs lowest lows. I’m trying to hear talking and then boom tony hammers the head and my speaker explodes. Don’t be afraid to start that patreon dogs. I’ll donate.
If your going to have a junkyard LS on the engine stand throwing parts at it, might as well replace the oil pick up o-ring, (barbell) galley plug, front & rear main seal and cam plate just for reassurance.
There's no reason to bother with anything but a cam and springs on a 4.8 or 5.3, just use 706/862 heqds, with Ethanol ring gap is optional too, just add boost. You're going to be way ahead of a 6.0, even with aftermarket heads, cam, intake, even with a stroker 402+ci a boosted 4.8 will dominate, even with a crap GT45, a 78/75, S475/S480/S488 T4 ot T6 and the sky is the limit with enough fuel system and Ethanol access. I would like to see a revival of water injection that can be tuned and used with Holley tuning solutions and allow 87oct pump swill to support 700hp or so.
I got me a 5-3 out of a 2005 Chevy Silverado it had 300,000 mi on it replace head gaskets all the bearings were good camshaft was fine runs like a Corvette I'm very amazed the power it has very reliable very dependable starts with one tap of the key😊
I always use Marine engines when I'm using the SBC last one was a 5.7 vortec mercruiser I made it carburated sent the heads to Memphis to Lunati had biggest valves and springs put in them small cam because it was a daily high rise Volvo plenta intake with a 1" aluminum plate 700 Quadra jet Holley fuel pump and regulator hedman headers 428hp 418 ft didn't have a lot in it except the heads they will hold together at that high rpm longer they are blue printed and internally balanced makes a big difference
Truly cool watching an unborn car running on a dyno!!👍 Im catching on, too! Made sure I ate dinner before watching you guys bringing out pies or steak or whatever!! Homemade lasagna tonight! Woo hoo!!
I have a 08 saab 97x with the Gen 2 motor. It has the Gen 3 parts on it. I blew the original Gen 3 aluminum motor and got a junkyard Gen 2. I am making 400whp with it. The 97x is a trailblazer. My tuner is good and I used all the cheapest parts. I feel really good about my build.
Those manifolds are killing a quite a bit of power. I made 420whp on a dynapack dyno through a 200-4r, and 7.5 inch rear, with the same cam/springs, 317 heads on an otherwise bone stock LQ4.
I tend to agree with the Driveway Engineer on LS swaps. "When you get it don't look at how many miles it has, get everything PCM harness ect. Put it in, change oil and go do burnouts!" You're likely to either make it worse than it was if you open it up or you'll spend eternity looking for the "best" parts to put in it and never get it done. Probably have double HP stock as the POS you're pulling so throw it in and do burnouts.
I've always watched your videos al the way through before i watch anyone else. tony, consider me a true stay tuned fan.. lol really enjoyed the video man keep them coming
Are you sure you didn’t get a 4.8? It’s been awhile but the flat top pistons with the crosses on them use to be 4.8 ones. Most of the flattop gen 4 5.3 stuff I seen either was smooth with the single dot or valve relief
Man, you have got me thinking. I was told it was a 5.3 by Brad who acquired it for us and this was such a haul we just threw parts at it! If it is a 4.8 then maybe we aren't too far off on power!
@@StayTunedTA just a thought wouldn’t be the first person how honest bought or sold a 4.8 that was thought to be a 5.3. Was it originally a dod engine or non dod? If it was non dod to start it’s probably a 4.8
@@StayTunedTAI tried looking at pistons in video. Took screenshots and blew up. They look flat top to me, but pic quality is poor. Compression being 180... I thought 4.8L.
Every point of compression and every bit of displacement is always a positive on a NA MOTOR ,now you can say that if you turbocharged the motor then the answer might be no as you can just add some more boost to make up for the difference,but if the bore size is bigger and helps with much more flow as in making sure the valves aren’t shrouded WITH BIGFER CAMS AND VLAVES then yeah it matters ,IT COMES DIWN TO THE SET UP EVERYTIME !
Those PPVs are great, if you can find a clean car in the $6-9k range, these a lot of sleeper goodness there and it can double as a family car, best part is the apple juice and cheerio dust comes off the rubber floor and vinyl seats easy and no child seat sized human can kick the back of your seat.
I’m so confused. Stock 5.3 and stock 6.0 make that much power. What are they doing wrong? Cam and spring upgrade even with low compression should make way more than that.
Nice job, good to see power on the dyno. 5.3 with cathedral ports didn’t stand against 6.0 with rectangular ports. But it shows what each engine can do with spring and cam upgrade.
That 5.3 should have made more power than it did. Something is definitely very wrong with that build. FYI: My LS2 with 243 heads (cathedral ports), SS2 cam and long tubes (very similar to their build) dyno'd 365 N/A on a Mustang Dyno, so IDK if I can agree with your rec port statement.
Definitely not the point of this video. He wasn't trying to beat the 6.0 in power. He wanted to find out if the 6.0 was worth the extra $1000 in a fairly basic street build using the same performance upgrades
I really enjoyed this episode, and for me, it doesn't have to end in tyre smoke to be entertaining and informative. I particularly like the fact this 'stuff' covered in this episode is more 'down to earth' and real world i.e. 'stuff' more people would likely be able to afford and aspire to etc. Thanks for all the hard work that must go into making these episodes, and keep up the good work. PS - I shouldn't laugh, but the bit where you pulled your nose hair after losing the bet had me in stitches!
Got a LS 1 dude pullout told customer cam or piston bad- took home my 15 yr old daughter tore down only had 1 bad hydraulic lifter - cam good piston/cylinders good - rebuilding back to factory spec for her 1964 nova 2 - 4 door classic
I'll take the 4.8ltr and a couple of Borg Warner S362sxe turbochargers and whoop both of those...🏁LET'S GO, Angelo 18:09.. Just throw the torque wrench on the table....don't worry about relieving the tension...it'll be fine😂
With just a simple cam swap I can't justify $1000 more for maybe 20-30hp more. However, doing a full build (stroked, heads, forced induction, etc) that little bit more displacement makes a huge difference. I think for most street builds I would save the cash and put it into something else on the car like a/c or extra tires that never seem to last long.
29:55... I ALWAYS replace that o-ring if I have to mess with the oil pick-up tube for whatever reason, OR if i have the pan off an unknown engine. EVEN if that o-ring is not that old and is still soft. I've been BURNED by that o-ring before, so now it's just automatic for me to lube it and replace it EVERY time I have to pull that tube loose, or on an unknown short block im working on with the pan off. 25-30 PSI max is just about EXACTLY what I've seen every time with a bunged up o-ring.
It's true. Torque-to-yield... " Stretch Bolts " provide engineered bolt tension based upon the yield strength of the bolt alloy. If that bolt is stretching, you are on. You just have to be close. Like hand-grenades. May the force be with you.
Every 6 liter ive bought has come with a truck attached. Buy a messed up Yukon Denali or something for $1500. Comes with all extra accessories and things you need. Part out the truck to recoup most or all of your initial cost and you're all set.
Luv the show
Do u have to degree the cam like i watch on horsepower tv or is that crap ? !!! Hope someone can answer
Most times when you buy a 6.0 out already it ends up having issues and everyone has a hard on for a 6.0. Best bang for buck is 5.3 with a cam and good 243/799/706 head.
Tell me where you can get a Yukon or denali for $1500....... 😅
@@1BigDaDo auctions. I've bought several.
In Michigan you can find them all day long, frames rusted out
The fact that you dont have a bunch of crazy back end staffing and a giant production is what makes this show awesome.
It keeps it real.
Hey do still take $3k handouts from advertisers and still call their builds "budget" and don't count it towards the total.
Summit's a proud sponsor for our "budget build"❤😂
Salty ass people
Guys the show is a real winner so far . Down to earth builds and not a bunch of big budget stuff. Good vibes and friendly happy folks. Please Please Please dont change as you grow or sale out to tv types or start the money games with your viewers. I appreciate your hard work and bringing us good info and entertainment. 🛠️💪🇺🇲👍✝️🙏
Agreed. I get tired of the big budget shows acting like they are stuck with some kind of tight ass budget, but then they show tens of thousands of dollars of parts they are throwing at a "budget" immaculate car.
"So if you're still with us and haven't clicked the new vice grip garage video yet..." 😂😂 I'm a huge VGG fan and super appreciate the props and respect among the car community, especially the youtube car channel community. I knew I liked you, Tony (and the crew), but this just put the cherry on top! I'm already a subscriber and really appreciate your content and what y'all bring to us viewers. Thanks for being real and relatable!
This channel is much better than VGG in everyway, his formula is tired. TA is always doing something different.
VGG = muff cabbage.
We love VGG over here and we're good buddies!
That tickled me too, but VGG posts later.
VGG is in my queue, around 3 videos after this one. 👍🏻
I've had all three and the best is the ignored 4.8. Find an early 2000 Yukon or GMC as a donor. That 4.8 will outlast the other 2 no problem. And you are right the new VGG video was great as always. But I am here so you DONT LOSE THE SHOP
Appreciate ya!
So what's so great about the 4.8 ? You didn't even give some specifics about pros and cons, please give the comment section some proper information on why you say get a 4.8 instead of a 5.3/ 6.0 ?
Study all three engines. Architecture, specifications, block designs etc. I can't lay it all out in the comments section. Start with Wikipedia for example. If you do then you will have learned the differences and decide which is best for your application. For me from my own experiences I properly prefer the performance of the 4.8 But make up your own mind and go with that works for you.@@hajileserpud9539
@@hajileserpud9539 For budget builds they just hold up the longest. It comes down to bore/stroke. The 4.8/5.3 have smaller bores which means less pressure on the rod. Keeping the power lower at lower rpm really helps keep the engine alive. The 4.8 has a shorter stroke, moving that power band even higher, helping the rods out further. The bigger displacement engines tend to spool the turbo sooner which further stresses the rods. Simply put, at 700hp on all 3 engines the 6.0 sees the most stress over the entire rpm band and higher peak torque. The lq4 has come down in price a lot in the past few years so I tend to go with that for a higher ceiling potential and lower rpm grunt.
@@mickrambo6787more stress equals more output overall. I use 6.0 for everything. They like to go full blast and come back for more, time again and more. Why bother with loosing displacement? I’m talking factory engines in the trucks it came in being tortured in the line of commercial duty. Talking every generation of 6.0ls, from the 99 cast head first versions I had were a beast! And all the one ton dump trucks and fleet vehicles that got disrespected by random employees and other negligence. Skirt slap and all. Nobody should ever shy away from a 6.0 for a street built and stock engine because of reliability. That’s Ludacris
Love what y'all have been doing lately. Just a better vibe compared to the Motor Trend & Hagerty stuff. Can't wait to see more Sikeclone stuff... I'd love to build something similar someday using a Olds Bravada chassis body-swapped with a late-model Corvair I have sitting around.
I no a 6.0 liter LS stock has 405 HP how do you put couple Grand in motor and it only makes 350 HP doesn't make any sense
Use the same heads
That cylinder head flip 😳😂😂😂😂
I was like 😮 That could've been an expensive mistake.
for a 24x 5.3 the L33 code is the unicorn. aluminum block, 799 heads, gen 4 rods, 4.8 flat top pistons and a slightly bigger cam. came out of a 2004-2007 silverado Z71 4x4
i think they only come in the extended cabs. i have them in both my trucks been pretty good to 400,000 km. i wanna refresh one for a project
That's a hot rod engine right there!
I found one in a rotted out 2005 Silverado with 144'000 on the clock. Saving that little gem for a V8 S10 swap with a 200r4.
L33 is very overrated! Any gen4 5.3 will do just as well or better for less money.
@BlueWaterSpeedMarine the only benefit of an L33 or LC9 is the siamese bores. But if youre not trying to make 1300whp then it doesnt even matter
I've never seen anybody chassis Dyno just a chassis before that's badass!!
Now you've seen it all!
They don’t call it a chassis Dyno for nothing…
L😂L
My 2004 Silverado 2500HD has the LQ4 6.0 and love it. My understanding is the 5.3 is more for HP and the 6.0 is for torque. That's what i read, anyway. 248000 miles and going strong.
6.0 it's 345 horsepower 370.... I don't know what the 5.3 is depends what year... Cuz if I remember they go from 285 all the way to like 340
You could actually hear the difference, that 6.0 sounds awesome. Tony took the nose waxing like a man.
Thank you for consistently putting out quality content for myself and everyone to enjoy every week. Love you guys!
You and Derek should do an annual collaborative video called "Cold Snacks and Pizza" - Seriously appreciate the work you guys are putting in!
Hahaha that would be a blast. Thanks for watching!
I do know that if you get an older 4.8 5.3 block and it has to be stamped 4.8/5.3. Those have walls thick enough that you can bore them out to LS1 pistons. Also the 5.3 has a dish piston and the 4.8 had a flattop piston giving it a higher compression ratio than the 5.3 in a way to boost power. So don’t shy away from an older quality 4.8 motor. Keep the flattop pistons and put a 5.3 crank in it and have fun.
A 4.8 and a dished piston 5.3 are within 10hp with stock heads and the same mods n/a, the difference is the extra tq the 5.3 makes. I wouldn't waste my time turning a 5.3 into an LS1 unless you have very special circumstances, like having the pistons laying around, able to get the machine work done dirt cheap and it's n/a only. If you're using boost don't waste your time or money on machine work or heads, just a cam+springs, fuel system, converter, turbo a 4.8/5.3 with 706/862 heads, no need to use 243/799 on anything smaller than 6.0 and I wouldn't on a 6.0 for the extra tq under the curve vs 10hp or less for 800rpms at the very top, rec ports on a flat top piston 6.0 are a compromise and a half, maybe they make more power with the largest cam they allow p-v for vs the same on with cathedral ports, however the cathedral ports allow significantly more cam, build more compression, make more tq, have less valvetrain to issues with budget parts, cost less, spool quicker, better throttle response, better part throttle driving and economy. I can't see using an 821/823 head on less than a 388/402/408/416/427/442/454/468. A ported, milled 243/799 on a 5.7/6.0/6.2/383/402/408/416/427 or ported, milled and possibly upgraded to 2' intake valve 706/862 is better for a flat top 5.3/5.7/6.0/6.2/383 then 706/862 ported, milled with std valves on a 4.8/5.3/5.7/6.0.
If you swap the crank all you'll have is a 4.8. The 4.8 and 5.3 used the same crank
The 6.0 already had the advantage of more displacement but the 823 rec port heads will out flow the 799 cathedral port heads without even trying. all day long not a fair test ! But a fun test overall 😎👍
Was looking for this comment before making it my self.
I have 799 heads. Can I still use the same intake manifold with the 823 heads?
I do believe they make an adapter. But I could be wrong. But no it will not work as is
both heads wer 243s
@1pimpmuke4life wrong. and wrong again cathedral ports were 799's. and the rec ports were 823's. 5.3 had cath. 6.0 had rec
You guys are killing it cranking out high quality content like this! Really appreciate the hard work you boys do. Also Tony you took that nose waxing like a champ. I pluck one nose hair and my eyes start watering and I go into a sneezing fit.
I’m stoked on this video! I just got a Yukon for free with a 5.3 as my donor vehicle for my 98 s10. I’ve been gathering parts and knowledge to do the swap! I’m nervous but can’t wait!
Good luck with the project!
do your homework.....ALOT of mods you have to do to make that fit. One reason I opted for a 350 for my 96 Jimmy.......its just a 4.3 but longer.
@@yurimodin7333I have been watching and reading everything I can! I originally was going to go old school sbc but this was free. My dad and I painted the truck, and it’s dropped 3 inches. It’s looks really good, so this swap has to be perfect 🤞🏻
@@StayTunedTAthank you! I love the channel, and I’ve been a fan since you started on HRG, keep up the great work!!
I've got a 99 zr2 s10 with a 5.3. A ton of time and a boatload of money later, and the engine looks like it came in the truck from the factory!
I took a 03 5.3 and used msd and carburetor it runs good in my 86 Caprice 2dr watching you guys do a simple cam swap is exactly what i want to do this winter love your show and vgg is next in my Q
Hi I just pulled a truck engine 5.3 and hope to get installed in my 69 3/4 ton truck what do I need to do a carburetor and type of disarm controller would you recommend I’ve never touched one other than change oil and filter on it
@@unclecowboy2003 I just bought the msd holly kit for the ls platform comes with harness the only thing you supply is starter and carb of choice for now i have the Edelbrock 1406
I’m about to do this with an edelbrock dual plane edelbrock 600 or 650 and a smartspark slss box instead of an msd box based off another TH-cam channels bad experiences with it.. I almost considered getting the distributor kit too but the price was too high for me.
@@dbag222 that's interesting I had never heard of the system I am looking to do another one for my truck I am interested in how that works for you I don't have a problem with the msd so far I didn't know there was anything else 😕
@@dbag222 hi did you get your truck done with the sls box instead of the msd and how does it run
Summit cams generally use smaller base circles meaning the 7.4 pushrods are on the short side. They'll work but they'll be noisy. Combine that with low oil pressure not providing the lifters with enough volume/pressure to pump up properly and that will definitely set you back 40-50 hp.
Coming home from work and seeing Stay Tuned posted a video, makes life 100 times better.
YUS SUH!!!!
Hell yea man, thanks for watching!
clearly 4.8 is the way to go
She's so great my four-point-eight.
Everytime I've pulled a 4.8 from the yard they have always been so clean. Not beat on. The 5.3s are hit and miss and the 6.0s always had bad cam bearings.
Sloppy Mechanics really proved that the 4.8s are just as capable
You mean four point great!
Friggin awesome! Damn entertaining. Tony's always been real, the boys are great!
Content perfect for local shop boys, everyone looking for more power, knowledge and know how. Very cool!
Never a waste of time.
Thanks.
Always look through your pushrods. I even blow compressed air and brake cleaner to get rid off any contaminants.
Nothing but motor-on-frame on Dyno is probably the coolest dyno run if seen yet.
Ayyy a shout out to our guy at VGG. Talent recognizes talent
Derek rules!
One of (there are more) the things I have really liked about your channel is that you DON’T build the same things as other channels. And now another LS video. Sigh…. I do have to say that running a chassis (only) on a chassis dyno is a first and was hilarious! As was the ending. You are a stand up guy for showing that! 👍
IDK, I love the LS platform, it was pretty new to them, so damn easy to build. And that 5.3 was a fail for sure, it's got problems. the 6.0 was on par though.
It was a bummer that the 5.3 wasn’t happy, great series ! I’d love to see you do Ameri-Barra GM 4200 sleeper 👌
Anyone else catch the belt walk on the 6.0L at 38:43? Keep an eye on that accessory drive boys!
I think that’s a hose you’re seeing bouncing around. The belt from the tensioner pulley goes at a steep angle down to go under the water pump pulley
It definitely moved.
@@thundermug496 I agree, that the belt for sure moved, I watched it three times.
It wobbled around and then jumped ribs, but in the next shot they had already fixed it. So clearly they knew
i see it now!@@xjsc16x
I didn’t have the patience to do the trunion upgrade. Just bought upgraded rocker arms. Best 200 bucks ever.
That makes sense, you might have noticed I also did not have the patience to do them lol. Thanks Barb.
30 dollar harbor freight arbor press is much easier and quicker than vise.
I can't think of a single youtube or professionally produced show as good as you do it. You brought the thunder on HRG with awesome projects, doing it again here, VGG is one side of American TH-cam, Mullet country boys, who you have to watch on 1.75 speed as they talk so slow, and do the same content over and over, then you guys the other side, the drive to do new projects, and really put in the effort, nothing else like it!
I hope there will be an update video for when things get lined out with the 5.3. Great video.
I fought the ls for about 5 years.have had 0 problems and makes much more power than my old school chevy. Not a fan boy but they work
They sure do!
The 6.0 in my truck had a low oil pressure warning when I bought it 150,000 miles ago. I switched it to 15w40 rotella, run it a quart over full with around a quart of Lucas oil. Tows 15-20k a day and runs perfect at 350,000 miles. Don’t do what I do though lol
Commercial user of the 6.0 engines since 99 and beyond, skirt slap and all. Most dependable loyal hearty engines ever. Seen all the problems they get and they are better than the rest all day long.
@@ericharris893 I’ve had lots of them as well and I really like them. This ones way better on fuel then any of the others I’ve had though for some reason
@@CruisinWithKevin couple I’ve seen near 20 but the rest are between 9 and 16 lol. A diamond in the rough
@@ericharris893 this one tows 10-15k a day and has a camper on it. Gets around 10-12 with the trailer empty 7-9 loaded sometimes 10 on a good day
Hell yeah Tony what a bad deal for you buddy I was really hoping the ole 5.3 was gonna win Thanks for the great content brother. Y’all are the best. !!!!!!
Me too! Thanks for watching!
At least he can breathe easier now.
@@br549200 Tony or the 5.3?
@@br549200😂
MTS 5.3 HEADS ON A LQ9 6.0 IS A BADASS SETUP 😎 MY SQUEEZE BROTHERS
living fresh with that open drive line
HAHA, I was pretty far away but def sketchy as hell.
Actually, new lifter trays are crucial bud. It keeps the roller rockers true on the cam lobes.
You've never visited Sloppy Mechanics have you...
@@LeeHendo yep..and i soon left. When I build my engines...I want them to last. The 370 cube I built for my Buick has logged 50k in 5 years..a lot of those miles were spent at wide open throttle up to the 7k rev limit I've set.
@@mynameis63 an N/A 370 isn't really the best bang for the buck if pure power is the goal, a 4.8/,4,L80e pullout from a Van with a cam+springs, converter, shift kit/double feed and a basic Don't BS Me GT45 build will put down a strong 550-600whp on Diehl Paving,'s stingy Dyno and run solid 10s if not high 9s in a Fox weight platform for less than most people can buy a used 6.0 for much less send one off to the machine shop and do a full on performance build, most N/A engines will need significantly more peak HP to run those times because they can't generate the TQ curve these turbo engines make under the curve. If you like an N/A build I understand, it's not the ticket for the most possible speed per $ though, it's just what you want to invest in and run.
I think its great Tony went independent. I remember all the articles I read in Hot Rod magazine and just thinking only if I had unlimited money to buy all those high dollar parts. Now then as Im adult I pay the bills first before even thinking about blowing money on just a toy, these days its about survival. Not everybody is getting sponsor kickbacks because i freely made a commercial selling your hot rod parts.Toneys show is great for the real world auto guys.
I’m glad y’all were able to keep the shop
Me too, just barely on this one. I am WRECKED from this week.
@@StayTunedTAwe really appreciate your efforts. You guys are the realest. Nose hair waxing is the way. You get used to it
The main thing that you get with the 6.0 is the much better squareport heads. Also LY6 is VVT not DOD. My LY6 with stock everything but slightly smaller cam (.590 lift) made 399hp 399ft/lb at the wheels through a manual. Something is very wrong with that 6.0
I was thinking the same thing, my 5.7 LS-6 with a similar size cam and very mildly worked heads made 404/350 through a manual. I figured a 6.0 with square ports would do a good bit better
The hi-ram intake is the problem. They'd get that power back with a composite long runner intake.
I commented the same thing.2000 6.0, SS2, long tubes, 799, 42lb injectors made 400/390 at the wheel. That 6.0 is not functioning properly
I think we all agree it’s at least 50hp off. I always use a FAST and long tubes but they should be 400 minimum as there’s sit. The intake manifold they are using SUCK under 7000 RPM.
The 275 ft/lb of tq is what is really really concerning
I honestly love some LS shenanigans. So glad youre making TH-cam work!
It's Friday! Time to hang w/ the fellas!
TGIF!
I wonder if a leakdown would help diagnose the power problem on the 5.3?
Stay safe guys. That unrestrained driveshaft had me worried.
Can't wait to see some AWD goodness!!!
It would be odd not to leakdown test every engine on the stand during preinstall inspection. My bro and I briefly run them on engine stands. We always get the harnesses and I delete ATS when I download then reflash the ECUs. (OBDX make some great adapters, just get a blue connector to spare to make yourself a bench harness.)
You guys are the best and I wanna stay positive so this is coming from a place of love: y’all gotta step up the audio game. Master it better. The highest highs vs lowest lows. I’m trying to hear talking and then boom tony hammers the head and my speaker explodes.
Don’t be afraid to start that patreon dogs. I’ll donate.
Everyone should put LS’s in everything!!!
If your going to have a junkyard LS on the engine stand throwing parts at it, might as well replace the oil pick up o-ring, (barbell) galley plug, front & rear main seal and cam plate just for reassurance.
Yeah if you're spending money the barbell is so cheap to just replace... Everyone does this at least once though lol
Tony is slowly turning into Lucky. i love it
Hope the bronze trunnions work out for you. They also offer C clip needle bearing trunnions which I'd go with over the bronze
I love my 6.0L's! I have a 08 LY6, and two 07 L92 6.2L's, also have 2 LC9 aluminum 5.3l's for sale.
LY6 is a silent killer for sure!
@@StayTunedTA
Got mine from a Express van! Love them race car donors! Great channel you have, been watching for some time now. The Sike Clone is sick!
There's no reason to bother with anything but a cam and springs on a 4.8 or 5.3, just use 706/862 heqds, with Ethanol ring gap is optional too, just add boost. You're going to be way ahead of a 6.0, even with aftermarket heads, cam, intake, even with a stroker 402+ci a boosted 4.8 will dominate, even with a crap GT45, a 78/75, S475/S480/S488 T4 ot T6 and the sky is the limit with enough fuel system and Ethanol access. I would like to see a revival of water injection that can be tuned and used with Holley tuning solutions and allow 87oct pump swill to support 700hp or so.
You are speaking my language here. I love boost.
Love how you guys did a real “a” to “b” test! Love the channel!
Loved the bet! Great idea for a video. I had always wondered about the differences. Thanks gents
Thanks for watching!
Huge respect to the guy that builds his own engines 🙏 ,to many people using a company to do the builds ,anyone can get a crate engine
A real chassis dyno! Awesome! 😎👍
Haha, yeah, we just have to get all the motor mounts for it and we are good to go anytime.
I got me a 5-3 out of a 2005 Chevy Silverado it had 300,000 mi on it replace head gaskets all the bearings were good camshaft was fine runs like a Corvette I'm very amazed the power it has very reliable very dependable starts with one tap of the key😊
Man of his word. Love this show…
That did not feel good!
I didn’t feel a thing…L😆L
I cant get enough of this channel.. yall are some down to earth folks..
Killing it Tony👍. Also, removing those intake restrictions (aka nose hair) you prob picked up 10 hp at least🤣
I always use Marine engines when I'm using the SBC last one was a 5.7 vortec mercruiser I made it carburated sent the heads to Memphis to Lunati had biggest valves and springs put in them small cam because it was a daily high rise Volvo plenta intake with a 1" aluminum plate 700 Quadra jet Holley fuel pump and regulator hedman headers 428hp 418 ft didn't have a lot in it except the heads they will hold together at that high rpm longer they are blue printed and internally balanced makes a big difference
Truly cool watching an unborn car running on a dyno!!👍
Im catching on, too! Made sure I ate dinner before watching you guys bringing out pies or steak or whatever!! Homemade lasagna tonight! Woo hoo!!
Right on! Love a good lasagna! Thanks for watching!
BA video bros!!!!!! We need videos like this. This is really great and important to see the differences. This also inspires mad confidence to build!
Came for the dyno sessions, stayed for the pizza. Great job as always!
I have a 08 saab 97x with the Gen 2 motor. It has the Gen 3 parts on it. I blew the original Gen 3 aluminum motor and got a junkyard Gen 2. I am making 400whp with it. The 97x is a trailblazer. My tuner is good and I used all the cheapest parts. I feel really good about my build.
Those manifolds are killing a quite a bit of power. I made 420whp on a dynapack dyno through a 200-4r, and 7.5 inch rear, with the same cam/springs, 317 heads on an otherwise bone stock LQ4.
Very true. It'd be good to see long tubes with 18" header extensions.
Closed loop too for an optimum setup.
I made 420whp with manifolds on my L77 6.0 thru a manual trans.
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This is one the best episodes you fellas have made. Thanks
Perfect video for someone like me who already lost the shop😂
Man, I felt like I was losing it after this haul. Hope you get yours back!
I tend to agree with the Driveway Engineer on LS swaps. "When you get it don't look at how many miles it has, get everything PCM harness ect. Put it in, change oil and go do burnouts!" You're likely to either make it worse than it was if you open it up or you'll spend eternity looking for the "best" parts to put in it and never get it done. Probably have double HP stock as the POS you're pulling so throw it in and do burnouts.
I've always watched your videos al the way through before i watch anyone else. tony, consider me a true stay tuned fan.. lol really enjoyed the video man keep them coming
Thank you man, appreciate the love!
I appreciate the awesome content and look forward to your videos over any other channel on TH-cam.. keep'em comin tony!!
I fucking died when you said “if you’re still with us and haven’t switched over to the new Vice Grip Garage video”
those bushings wore out and grooved on mine within 10k miles. CHE bushings have been issue free however.
Tony has come a long way since I first saw him on motortrend. This is so entertaining
Are you sure you didn’t get a 4.8? It’s been awhile but the flat top pistons with the crosses on them use to be 4.8 ones. Most of the flattop gen 4 5.3 stuff I seen either was smooth with the single dot or valve relief
Man, you have got me thinking. I was told it was a 5.3 by Brad who acquired it for us and this was such a haul we just threw parts at it! If it is a 4.8 then maybe we aren't too far off on power!
@@StayTunedTA just a thought wouldn’t be the first person how honest bought or sold a 4.8 that was thought to be a 5.3. Was it originally a dod engine or non dod? If it was non dod to start it’s probably a 4.8
All my 6.0 have the cross mark on the pistons
@@StayTunedTAI tried looking at pistons in video. Took screenshots and blew up. They look flat top to me, but pic quality is poor. Compression being 180... I thought 4.8L.
Today a fire sprinkler broke at work and I thought… WERE GONNA FLOOD THE SHOP! Lmao thanks for the vids Tony😎
You bet! I hope you yelled that as you ran to safety!
@@StayTunedTA no running! Got hit by a straight truck so out came the squeegees and the FD🤣
Every point of compression and every bit of displacement is always a positive on a NA MOTOR ,now you can say that if you turbocharged the motor then the answer might be no as you can just add some more boost to make up for the difference,but if the bore size is bigger and helps with much more flow as in making sure the valves aren’t shrouded WITH BIGFER CAMS AND VLAVES then yeah it matters ,IT COMES DIWN TO THE SET UP EVERYTIME !
I'd really like a caprice with a 6.0!
Those PPVs are great, if you can find a clean car in the $6-9k range, these a lot of sleeper goodness there and it can double as a family car, best part is the apple juice and cheerio dust comes off the rubber floor and vinyl seats easy and no child seat sized human can kick the back of your seat.
L77 FTW! Those aluminum block 6.0's are hard to come by for sure!
The last 6.0 i picked up was in an Escalade, cost $1500 after auction fees. Charged the batter and drove just fine defore it was parted out.
I’m so confused. Stock 5.3 and stock 6.0 make that much power. What are they doing wrong? Cam and spring upgrade even with low compression should make way more than that.
crank vs wheel horsepower
You guys crack me up.
Hoping my 5.3 build goes well, also hoping you get yours squared away.
Still a very informative video brother. STAY TUNED ROOKS!!
Thanks for watching!
"I think my nose might be gettin' waxed." LMAO 😆
That should be a T-shirt!!!
Nice job, good to see power on the dyno. 5.3 with cathedral ports didn’t stand against 6.0 with rectangular ports. But it shows what each engine can do with spring and cam upgrade.
That 5.3 should have made more power than it did. Something is definitely very wrong with that build. FYI: My LS2 with 243 heads (cathedral ports), SS2 cam and long tubes (very similar to their build) dyno'd 365 N/A on a Mustang Dyno, so IDK if I can agree with your rec port statement.
@@willfixthingsfordonutsjust for more info my 6speed ls1 with 243 heads and ss2 cam made 416 on a dyno jet.
Definitely not the point of this video. He wasn't trying to beat the 6.0 in power. He wanted to find out if the 6.0 was worth the extra $1000 in a fairly basic street build using the same performance upgrades
The last 45 seconds was the best TH-cam entertainment EVER!!!😂😂😂
I really enjoyed this episode, and for me, it doesn't have to end in tyre smoke to be entertaining and informative. I particularly like the fact this 'stuff' covered in this episode is more 'down to earth' and real world i.e. 'stuff' more people would likely be able to afford and aspire to etc. Thanks for all the hard work that must go into making these episodes, and keep up the good work. PS - I shouldn't laugh, but the bit where you pulled your nose hair after losing the bet had me in stitches!
Ending it on the nose waxing was a nice touch :)
Everyone knows the 4.8 is the best bargain. Cam, springs, turbos and injectors and you’re making good power
Yeah, I think I'm going back to old engines for a while after this week.
You know my Friday evenings so well! Stay tuned followed by VGG. Can’t go wrong with either!
You know that street sweeper was checking things out when he had to back up just so he could see more
Got a LS 1 dude pullout told customer cam or piston bad- took home my 15 yr old daughter tore down only had 1 bad hydraulic lifter - cam good piston/cylinders good - rebuilding back to factory spec for her 1964 nova 2 - 4 door classic
I'm going with the 4.2 Vortec. Not following the crowd.
Absolutely love that you said nah to typical tv/TH-cam shit and it just you and the boys smashing pies hanging out and building shit.
I'll take the 4.8ltr and a couple of Borg Warner S362sxe turbochargers and whoop both of those...🏁LET'S GO, Angelo
18:09.. Just throw the torque wrench on the table....don't worry about relieving the tension...it'll be fine😂
With just a simple cam swap I can't justify $1000 more for maybe 20-30hp more. However, doing a full build (stroked, heads, forced induction, etc) that little bit more displacement makes a huge difference. I think for most street builds I would save the cash and put it into something else on the car like a/c or extra tires that never seem to last long.
You guys s cranking out great content.
Good job.
Bring this back please. I am curious of the final outcome. Maybe go over what look for when buying used LS.
I agree 🤙
Grab a 4.8 that everyone looks over and throw boost at it
Also a good option!
legit the best option, I've seen them 4.8s go for $100 or even free because they get swapped for a 5.3 or 6.0.
29:55... I ALWAYS replace that o-ring if I have to mess with the oil pick-up tube for whatever reason, OR if i have the pan off an unknown engine. EVEN if that o-ring is not that old and is still soft. I've been BURNED by that o-ring before, so now it's just automatic for me to lube it and replace it EVERY time I have to pull that tube loose, or on an unknown short block im working on with the pan off.
25-30 PSI max is just about EXACTLY what I've seen every time with a bunged up o-ring.
You get the much over looked 4.8 for about $500 and put an Amazon $540 woo tang war whistle kit on it and blow both the 5.3 and the 6.0 away.
YES. This speaks to me.
Props to you guys shouting out smaller youtube channels like Vice Grip Garage.
It's true.
Torque-to-yield... " Stretch Bolts " provide engineered bolt tension based upon the yield strength of the bolt alloy.
If that bolt is stretching, you are on. You just have to be close.
Like hand-grenades.
May the force be with you.
Dont hate on the little 4.8. Had one in my Silverado and it was a screamer.