GOLF CLUB MYTHS - CAVITY OR BLADED IRONS WORKABLE TEST
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 18 ต.ค. 2024
- Mark Crossfield tests golf club myths around cavity back irons or bladed irons and which golf club is more workable. Golf myths are everywhere in our sport and challenging them allows for golfers to learn and improve their golf games with the best golf equipment for their golf swings. Cavity backed golf clubs are know for forgiveness and being harder to work from left to right where bladed irons are know as being better for better ball strikers and easier to move. Mark and the gang test this idea to see what they think is the truth that you can use for your golf game. Getting the right golf club for your golf swing will only help you improve your golf game and lower your scores. Simple golf swing and basic golf swing ideas only help if the equipment you are using is helping you improve and develop your game.
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Mark and crew, I love these almost non edited videos where it's just a conversation. It really brings out the true intelligence and understanding you guys have of golf. It's truly awesome to hear you guys work through things in an unedited fashion. It's very raw and very fun to watch. Thanks, -long time subscriber.
Yes!!!!
We’re having this conversation again!
Thanks to this channel I went with a very unforgiving players iron as a mid handicap and I’m never going back.
The best decision I ever made was to play tour irons, and not wait until I have a certain handicap.
At the Lester part right now. I may have decided that if he’s not going to make an appearance in these type of vlogs, I might not watch them. Need a daily dose of pure mince!!
This is not hyperbole....you truly are huge benefit to the golfing world. What you coach and dan do really have made a huge difference in my understanding of golf and how I've been better for it. Thank you for you insights into this game
I second this. I've learned so much more from you guys than any other publication.
I third it. I have far more understanding now of stuff like how high on the face you strike the ball affecting spin, height, and distance, delivered loft, etc. It´s not really helping me lower my score as yet, but has definitely made a difference in certain shots, like tee the ball lower or playing from the ground with an iron on par 3s
@@alanwaterworth6464 I agree. He has made it so much easier to self diagnose when my swing sends itself to the naughty corner.
Imagine being able to control your swing as easily as mark can!literally the dream.🙌🏼
Love this!
Had the D-plane conversation on the course with a friend, we struggled to get past the fact his 7 iron was effectively my 6 iron.
Not sure what I loved more...Coach hitting 10 left/right in two sequential shots 🎯 or Lester Merchant bringing group tea with a grin! 🍵😂👍👍👍 (Oh and #🧦)
Hi Mark after watching this vid, I looked back to one of your earlier vids called Golf weekly fix D plane set up and back swing March 12th 2012 in which you give a great explaination of the subject. so anyone not fully undertanding this go back and watch this.
Fantastic video Mark. Driving a coach and horses through golfing b/s since 2008 ish.
That was fun boys! I think I’m going to buy a set where the odd number clubs are blades and the even are cavity back. If anyone asks why I’ll say go watch some Crossfield vlogs! Cheers!
Mark, will you do this test hybrid vs iron. Haven't you said you don't like the idea of hitting a hybrid low? Thanks!
Do it!! I can't ever hit my hybrid the way I want, but I think it's a looks and confidence reason; I prefer a 3i.
As someone new to golf, on watching this it amazes me the level of finesse/ dexterity? that you guys and anyone good at this game has. Golf has a very steep learning curve, or at least that is how it feels to me. Loving the Lester mince by the way!
Mark - I always love these tests. I'm a few golf forums and people say things like "you could never do _________ with a cavity back." I have played plenty of blades and cavity backs and the truth is that the ball does not know what is hitting it. I am able to hit draws, cuts, high, low (or not) with whatever club it is. It's always up to me. I don't argue with people about it because they are convinced and that's it. Thanks for these though because it is a good conversation starter on MyGolfSpy and GolfWRX in the days ahead :)
I think people forget that Parfield262 is a robot. I don't think it is an over-statement that he can deliver the face, on demand, better than most anyone. ReMARKable! Truly.
There’s a video of him a couple years ago where he called spin numbers as soon as he hit it. Crazy
Lester with a cameo appearance should be a staple. 👍🏻
As usual really interesting content! Huge fan and feel my game is improving through gaining more knowledge
Enjoyed that. Now I need to find the D plane video. And of course more Lester
Great vid. Always wondered about that workability claim with blades. Could never understand why some mid/low handicappers wouldn't want the added forgiveness of cavity backs.
Mark, the human launch monitor. 👏🏻
When I last bought clubs, second hand clubs, I took a selection of what I liked the look of (blades and cavity backs) I then tried them all, not considering whether blades or not, and went with what I felt good hitting, good feeling off face, weight etc. Ended up with AP2s. My first clubs were blades and very happy playing with them.
Looking fit Mark
Always good to see Uncle Lester join the crew 👍.
Where I do find "blades" to be more workable than power bats is in hitting the 1/2 and 3/4 shots just the right distance. The power bats can sometimes go much further than you want with really low spin on those shots. Could just be the lower relative loft, but I also think the springy face plays a part. Middle one and...launchpad.
Thanks for staying true to telling the truth about all the marketing mumbo jumbo and not making rubbish clickbait videos about illegal clubs and balls and all that other s٪#@
I’ve played both blades and cavity backs. I am an 8 handicap. Blades are playable for sure but those days when your a little off, they make it so much tougher. I’ve switched back to CBs recently and couldn’t be happier.
Excellent video and topic. Yes, D-Plane until I understand the concept fully 😅
I always found blades and players CBs to be easier to hit high and especially low but even that is likely in my head. My 10 yard draw always remained regardless of the style.
LOL!!! Stephen Merchant!!! That had me properly rolling!!! Love these little games... Coach hitting these numbers must settle the question, "Is he even a pro?" #playa #lockeyarmy
Just one word Mark ------ brilliant just love this vlogs guys
Keep the faith Mark... one day we'll concede that D plane is the answer once we've confused ourselves with all the marketing BS... great video as always
Lester arrives with cuppas and instant comedy happens, love it, love it, love it. Thanks boys 👍🏌️♂️
Having tested and played both of these, I personnaly thought that the AP1 were easier to fade and I felt that the MBs were too easy to draw. As a matter of fact, after playing these and wondering if it was something in the clubs, I went and hit an old set of i25's and compared to old MP69's. After a few rounds each, I found that my usual miss was a draw / hook with the 69's and had a hard time fading them. The i25s seemed easier to fade and made didn't have a real preference to missing right or left. Makes me think that maybe the blades are weighted in a way that promotes a draw (Maybe??). Really love the content here , along with the conversations!!
Hey Mark, love this type of test. Think you could do video testing older irons (15+) to new irons? Just a suggestion from a fan.
Brilliant Mark really consistent strikes👍
Mark, awesome video as always. How much of a difference does spin have on curvature? Assuming all other numbers being equal.
great video as always, so I guess you need to explain de-lofting in some detail then please. I guess the next question is then choosing new irons, it would come down to distance control and dispersion, any thoughts on that with the same clubs?
As usual, not just information but a lesson in itself.
And exactly as I thought it would turn out.
ONLY because of the information you have previously gifted to all those that listen.
Yet, I can't help wondering if it would be worthwhile doing this exact test with a player that these are marketed at? I'm 100% sure you would have no shortage of victims, sorry, I mean subjects. ;)
Good vid, thanks
great stuff guys, debunking marketing myths actually helps buyers make more informed choices; ie, buy the clubs you like, based on price and looks.
I was wondering if you could do a video on grip pressure from different lies, ie, tee shot, fairway, rough, bunker, etc on course, and how that affects delivery. Also a video on different bounces from different lies when chipping & pitching. Cheers brah!
Would be good to extend this comparison to playing shots from the rough to see if there if there are any pros/cons of a blade vs cavity back
Has any pro won a major with a cavity back ?
Hay Mark, any chance you can do a video that proves or disproves the theory that irons that are designed for higher handicap golfers are ‘more forgiving’. So for example you get a better result from an off center hit with a cavity back rather than a muscle back/ blade?
Oh no. Lol. Don’t start talking D-plane, you might get em thinking 😂🤣 great stuff boys👍🏼
Maybe you should explain it all
@@tatchy1001 The character limit in TH-cam comments is too low for that discussion. But here, this should do
th-cam.com/video/RH96Kgw7syM/w-d-xo.html - Mark Crossfield
th-cam.com/video/YGPCWp3OH7M/w-d-xo.html - Sean Foley
Mark, wonder if you can help? Ive been playing golf for a year. Im getting better apart from my consistently poor driving. As a beginner i purchased a Callaway XR driver. I recently played a friend who had a tailor made M2. We compared the club and noticed the XR shaft is over an inch longer. How might that impact on my swing? Surely its harder to hit a longer shafted club. Thoughts welcome.
I'm playing my old Mizuno TP11 irons from back in the day, with 29deg 5 iron. Just for comparison with the 6/7 irons of today's blades/cavity irons that have 31deg.
Superb video. Shot 76 with my ap1s last month but I use "chopper" clubs...as Danielson said you are using proper loft clubs notss what is stamped on the head so if anything again the ap1 is arguably more workable 😂🤣
The reason I switched from my cavity backs is because when I misshit them I couldn't feel what part of the club I hit it off of. It made it hard to learn. Could you do another blind test for this feeling?
Nice demo, Mark. Still, I'm going to keep playing my cavity-backs with their perimeter weighting, slightly larger clubfaces and wider soles, because I think they're easier to play than a set of butter knives. :)
started this year with 718 mb’s never hit it better! was playing Ap2’s.
Joel Metz 👍 just scored a set from a friend for $300. Best clubs I’ve ever hit, definitely feel easier to shape, and the feel is smooth as butter.
@@pushtostart1377 butter thins, beautiful
Would love to see a video on optimal launch and spin based on SS
Can't you just see Lester upstairs like spitting into Dan's tea 🤣🤣🤣
Bring back "Pure Mince". Less oft, easier to shape. I play off 9 and can barely move PW in either direction but find it 'reasonably' easy to shape a 5 iron either way if needed. Totally agree with your point and have cavity backs simply to increase yardage of my poorer strikes. More mincing in the Vlogs boys! Cheers bra!
Love this!
I prefer the turf interaction of blades vs a wider soled "game improvement" iron. I interact with the turf a lot, so I think what I'm really saying is the blades cut thru the ground better on my chunks so I can throw sod further than the ball...
I think more golfers would enjoy the game with a forged cavity back like the Titleist CB. Same feel in my opinion but will help one play better golf in theory. I have 704 CBs and love them.
Does this concept still apply with something like spin-rate consistency being based on the loft differences between blades and cavities, or are the spin numbers tighter for a blade?
It would be interesting to see if you made normal swings with those two clubs, matching lofts, if the carry and spin numbers are measurably different. From what I saw they were similar on similar shots from each of you.
Another myth busted. Excellent.
At the end of the day it’s still swing and club delivery more that anything which comes down to looks, comfortability, and most importantly FITTING. I’m a natural drawer of the ball and I hate it because it’s always created a two way miss for me. When I got new irons a few years ago I got blades because no offset and 2 degrees flat. Instantly had so much more confidence because I knew I wouldn’t draw as much and just went at flags the whole day my first round.
I haven’t seen all vids so don’t know if this has been done! Blades are often seen as “harder” to hit, cavitys as “easier”, I know part of this is to do with off centre hits with cavity backs (in theory). Any point of a video to prove what actually IS the easier club to hit, if indeed any difference?
Haven't watched the video yet, but I went from TM SpeedBlades (cavities) to Mizuno JPX 919 Tours (kinda bladey) and I can honestly say there's been very little difference for me. I think my Mizunos go a little less high, club for club, but that could be loft differences - I never checked the lofts. Workability (such as it is for me) has remained fairly constant subject to me improving as I play more, and distance control feels the same too (for me distance control is about knowing your clubs, not the club number).
A dear friend of mine has always said it's a player's ability of manipulation and skill how ever small or large of the swing to get a desired shot with control and at will, with any club in the bag from driver to wedges.ive seen this, his favourite trick was to get to the top of his back swing stop and you call the shot shape high or low left or right with any club.that is a skilful golfer.
Lester lives. Welcome back Lester.
Would the cavity back be as you say marginally easier to work because of the slightly bigger face?
Interesting stuff👍
Same! both workable!
Did my revision on D plane sir. Steve Johnstone did a good vid and tipped his cap to the teacher 👍
i have pxg and ping blades....if u ask me....are they 2 diff worlds....ill say no...maybe pxg stops more ball on greens....but theyre both good....prefer blade look....
It is easier to get a crazy shape on mis-hit from a blade so people think that blades are predisposed for shaping shots. But on a good strike blades are very consistent -> less likely to curve. As the blade head is heavier it is also more stable -> less curve. But it's the crazy mis-hits that fuel the concept of blades being more workable IMO.
I think this is half-related to this, but also the movable weights video. Had the Ping rep come into our shop last October with the G410. He was giving the usual marketing about the weight in the driver moving the ball 20 yards I believe he said. Got into a discussion/disagreement with him along the lines of "if face to path is pretty much what controls curvature, then how can you say the weight moves it. So if the face is 2 degrees closed to the path, it's not going to matter where the weight is (all strikes being equal)." To be honest, he couldn't really argue with me, and I'm just grateful that he obviously forgot this when he got me a G410 at a heavily discounted price😂😂😂
Awesome vid.
I can work most any iron right or left. Workablity with players irons or blades comes into play on flighting the ball high or low when I need to. High MOI and low CG make it difficult to do that for me. They always rise up on me. I have a high ball flight to begin with though.
So I figured that the point of a game improvement iron is to lose less ball speed on miss hits. The reason I switched from ap1 to cb is less because of any of this stuff and more that if I hit a shot that’s 90-100/100 with the ap1, I can’t tell whether it’s a 98 or a 94. With the cb I could tell you what went wrong to a higher degree even on good shots. I would also get a random shot with the ap1s that would go 15 yards further and I feel like that doesn’t happen with the cbs. Have you tested for distance consistency or guess work with where the player thinks he hit the ball on the face? Just curious. I wouldn’t be surprised if results were inconclusive
Please do a video explaining D plane
Plenty of videos out there to explain dplane.
would expect the same result no matter the iron- perhaps a bit more difficult to do the "low ball", as the cavity should have some weight and tech to it, that should help the ball up/spinnier... but could not imagine much of a difference.
Apart from personal feel, why would you get blades or cavity backs? Is the COG the only reason that a blade is more difficult to hit? Because after this video, I got the impression that it does not matter much, which one you use. Is it because you all are good players?
Good video
It’s surely about the look and feel to your eye?
For me, at address it’s like comparing a nice streamlined sports car (mb/blade) vs the clunky but practical people carrier (cavity/oversized head). Both will do the job getting you there, it’s just about how much perceived fun you have whilst doing it. It’s clearly psychological, but then 90% of golf is psychological.
I’m surprised after reading mygolfspy report on golf balls, seeing people still use Callaway chrome soft balls. I use to play them but not anymore
Think every channel Ive watched has said, at some stage, "cavity or GI irons launch higher because c of g is lower". Thinking about the design, most of the mass of a blade is down at the bottom anyway. Seems like the only reason to ever change clubs is to get something new and shiny. Assuming that you hadn't thrown the old ones in the lake after a really bad round :-)
What I would like to see is a test of distance control with the myth being that a compact, forged head is more consistent in distance control than a larger, cast club.
Have to tried hitting with the socks set for fade or draw?
Hi mark would you get same results hybrid v iron at same lofts. Hitting it low , manufacturers market hybrid to fly higher???
All things being equal, such as same shaft, lie, length, and loft, the only part of a club’s design that I feel has ever made it harder for me to shape a shot is the offset. Hitting a fade on command is usually the most difficult shot for me to hit. I naturally draw the ball. However, if I’m being 100% honest, a simple adjustment in ball position usually remedies this.
I went to Cavities from blades a few years back, absolutely nothing i miss about my blades, these new cavities look nice behind the ball as nice as blades, offer more forgiveness and equal “playability” whatever that means. And if you go Ping you can opt into a traditional loft
I switched from blades to cavities a little over a year ago and agree on the forgiveness (that's why I made the switch). I got the Forged Wilson Staff FG Tour V6 and they come with old school lofts...my 7i is 35, PW is 46. Great clubs from a great company that seems to be not on the popular name brand list out there. The V6s have a nice, thinnish top line and are not chunky in the least bit.
Spin has to be taken into account. Yes spin axis, but also Spin itself. Those clubs will produce different ball flights with the same spin axis. So Spin axis of 10 on club A may curve 20 yds, but would need spin axis of 12 on club B to curve the same amount. Is that incorrect?
Is this consistent with woods? Or are woods able to vary height (more so than draw/fade) to a greater extent than irons?
Have no idea where "more workable" came from ?? Only thing that keeps me playing blades, is looks, sound and the occasional flyer from cavity backs !! I'll stay with Mizzy 919 Tour - THANK YOU !!
I’ve always felt I find it easier to hit a cavity back higher, and to hit a blade lower. Purely because the weights are distributed slightly differently to either help the ball up or give the ball a more penetrating flight according to the targeted user. Sounds like you think otherwise? Note I’m not saying you can’t hit a blade high, I just mean most people would find it easier to hit a cavity higher
Does the pro vs amateur thing come into play? Does bigger sweet spot make cavity back clubs help more in out of centre hits?
Love the 15 handicappers that say "I want blades for more workability"
I play off 15. Ditched my 2nd hand blades for JPX919 hot metal and, shocker, can still work them both ways! 😊
Mark, you also say you prefer blades because you don’t want that one cavity back shot that flies the green. So all things being equal, assuming center strikes (to take forgiveness out of the equation), are blades simply more predictable on approach shots due to more consistent distance?
Also, Srixon 545s in my bag. Forged for feel, cavity back for forgiveness and workability? 🤔
I think the whole workability argument in cavity vs blade has to do with the amount of offset on most cavities. Most people will look at the club and think draw in their head because of the massive offset in game improvements.
that is all fine for me... your ability to cut or draw is not in question here, i would be more interested in the result of the flight! Is it cutting/drawing more or more under control with the blades vs cavity backs? keep up the good work!
I would be interested to see the spin numbers for each and iron as well?
Quick explanation on D plane would be good mark? Thanks!
Plenty of videos out there to explain dplane
Yeah but what about the shafts!? 🤔🤣
Guys do they mean more workable in terms of being able to feel better, ball striking and turf interaction , I play blades and I feel they cut through the turf better less interrupted may be a better description . As opposed to shaping . Shaping is just swing path to face angle any club can do that . Thoughts .?
My thoughts have been that wide-sole clubs helps you with a straight shot when the lie is worse. Straight doesn't mean unworkable, but i can see how it may be perceived that way.
I think I could work both clubs but bladed clubs suit my eye when I draw the ball. So I think its more about player hitting the club not so much the club itself.
Mark-if you think about bubbas hook at the 2012 masters and how extreme it had to be-is it possible that blade performs much better at the extreme ends of working a ball a certain direction?
Depends on the shot. A blade imo would be easier to extreme fade in a pro’s hands because of less offset, and an extreme hook in a CB because of the offset
were the lengths of the two clubs the same for this?
I had a set of game improvement irons that I could hit 60 yard fades and draws with no problem!