Good video with no shock in the result, what I will say is that your partnership with Titleist and the videos you do together are always excellent, the Titleist guys seem to share your messages, the hybrid fitting video with them was one of my favourites 👍🏻
I absolutely love seeing this tested out. I play Titleist MBs and I have friends that constantly question me due to the fact that I am a 7 handicap. They tell me that if I went to a more game improvement iron I would lower my scores. I try to tell them that I can hit any club 15 yards offline so I need to at least control if it goes 150 or 180 yards to give myself a chance and they just don’t get it.
I'm a #7 as well who plays MB and CB irons. Your friends have been sold to by the marketing companies. I guarantee we wouldn't all of a sudden be 5 or better if we played AP1's.
I understand what you're all saying, and even though I've worked my hcp down to single digits I've always played GI irons because I think I'd be less confident looking down at players' irons that have smaller heads and less offset than I'm used to seeing.
Howie Land, Mark has said many times that the “feeling” you get standing over the ball based on the look is very important and I agree. If you feel more confident with a certain type and you see the desired outcome of your shots, then that type is better for you. My only point was that so many people think that someone playing a more bladed iron set even though the player may not be a scratch or low handicap golfer that it is all about ego and that simply isn’t true all the time. Some of us know that we are gonna miss shots and simply want to limit the distance of those misses.
Your round up should have went “ this is why titleist signed me”, you are most definitely the truest form of golf information anywhere. Well done mark, I’m absolutely loving this series of videos
Enjoying the way these ideas are looking at different kinds of shots. Yet are still very playable with clubs intended for somone who may not feel skillful in their own play. The same clubs can still be totally effective as they improve and exhibit better control over the clubface and their ball striking. Really excellant stuff Mark, these sessions with the Titleist team are making a lot of sense.
Started with SGI irons. Was having slices and hooks as a beginner. So I always wondered why people were asking if SGI can be shaped. To me, if you can get hooks and slices, surely with experience and skills you can shape it and get intended draw/fade. Thanks for clarifying that one Mark👍
Great information. I really don't see front to back mishit dispersions being that different with players irons over game improvement clubs either. If there is, it's miniscule and the course will always even that out. I currently have a combo set of 716 MB, CB, and T-MB. They are a pure joy to hit and mishits are not as punishing as some would have you believe. These clubs are not only workable left and right but also high and low. Can a high launching, low spin AP1 be as easily workable up and down? Maybe it can but maybe it does it in a different window? What scares me with height and distance improving irons is that you lose distance control. Like low spin distance balls, you never know when you are going to get that high flying knuckle ball that sails 10 yards over the green from the middle of the fairway. Plus, they don't look or feel near as good as the Titleist MB and CB irons. If you lack speed and distance and need help getting the ball in the air, play game improvement irons. If you don't, play traditional blades and player cavity back irons. You'll be much happier and your game will be better as a result.
I love how much you love to call your shots Mark!! First, it shows just how much time you put in to understanding your game and what numbers your produce, but also, you just love playing the game to see how close you can call it. Love it Brah!
Nice video mark. I haven't had much luck with fittings I always get the feeling that I'm just a dollar amount but at least in your video I get the feeling they want to get it right. I have a Titleist driver fitting next Thursday; I hope that my driver fitting goes as well and he shows the same care as the reps do in your video.
I myself have had the pleasure of being fitted by Titleist at my local regional center, and it's really cool to see Mark at the headquarters going over things with the big guys within Titleist and their fitting center and technology masters ALL sharing the same ideas. The fantastic thing is that ALL the Titleist fitters are like this, and they have fitters and regional centers ALL around the world. This means whether your a 30 handicap or a 3 we can all get ahold of this technology and fitting too! I see this from Titleist and superb clubs as well. It disappoints me that I dont see this from TaylorMade, Callaway etc. And if you think this costs a fortune, you would be suprised as Titleist has Titleist Thursdays in which the fittings are free of charge. I love my Titleist and I like my Mark Crossfield videos, I am so happy the 2 have come together.
I've never done this at a fitting, but at the range I'm always trying to control side spin and learn how different lofts and head designs effect ball flight. Thanks for the video...
It was really good to hear it said clearly that game improvement irons can move the ball as much as blades but are more inconsistent in shape consistency due to their very nature. This explains why I don't like playing with my wife's game improvement irons. Unless I strike the centre of the face, particularly on shaped shots, not only is the east and west a big question mark but so is the north and south. My blades are, plainly put, not as inconsistent. Thanks, Mark.
Great vlog again from you and the guys from TPI. Loved all these videos. I find them thought provoking and well put together. It's great to learn. Keep up the good work.
Love your content and delivery Mark, but the Titleist guys are clearly at the very top of their game - I love the way the lead fitter talks. The other guy with the sun glasses is clearly just as knowledgable and professional but the lead guy delivers his messages in such a human yet confident way I could listen to him talk all day! Great videos Mark
Can’t begin to say how interesting this test is! I’m playing 825pro and thinking of switching to MP18 - vid helps bundles with decision (subject to fitting) Great work Mark, thx
This is really cool, one of those last shots going around the tree was fantastic. I remember a vlog where you were in the trees and you had this massive draw into the fairway then down to the edge of the green. I tried the same shot once and ended up in front of the green with a chip shot. Way better that a short shot into the fairway and a second longer iron to the green that might not have made it. This kind of instruction is really useful to us duffer's.
I can watch this kind of video all day.. I love trying to "hit" shots when I'm out with my buddies. . It's fun to have friends there to see when it works and even more funny when we all get to see a fail!! Lol 👍
Thanks for showing again that strike and face to path determines what happens to the ball. I may have to go and find an iron with a spinning head to tighten up the iron game😁
Love your content and delivery Mark, but the Titleist guys are clearly at the very top of their game - I love the way the lead fitter talks. The other guy with the glasses is clearly just as knowledgable and professional but the lead guy delivers his messages in such a human yet confident way. Great videos Mark
Hi Mark, result as expected. However in my opinion where you may lose out with ‘shot shaping’ is high and low between a cavity and blade with cavities bringing mass down to help get the ball up!
Completely agree with this assessment. I move all clubs both directions. I get a tad more movement with blades, but i play blades so i don't have to worry about that errant missile as much creeping out of the shot. Is all about consistency for me.
Mark I seem to remember you calling the AP1’s spades or shovels ! I love my AP1’s I am on my second generation had 716’s and now 718’s ... I have no where near your skill set but manage to shape both ways . Thankyou for sharing this vid . Ps you are forgiven 🤣
This is a fantastic video. I would love to play blades but I guess down to appearance and feel rather than a need to hit shaped shots. Hell, I just wanna play straight shots!! I will always lean towards the step back from the blade, so a CB or SC with a touch of help.
Mark do a video on how to shape shots left to right and right to left. What all key components would someone have to have or use to be able to shape shots.
Fantastic video. Please now do a dispersion test comparing the same (and, if possible, equalizing the loft). Tell us what amount of forgiveness *you* see with a the AP1 over your MBs.
I'd like to see a test of low and high shot shaping. I'm sure Mark can control dynamic loft with both blades and game improvers, but I'd be interested to see if the low and back CG which aids launch in game improvement irons would make them more one dimensional in terms of high and low shot shaping.
THE definitive video on this matter. results were fairly obvious. Since face-to-path controls movement (remember learning that on some TH-cam channel), once you are comfortable with ANY model of club in your hands, you should be able to work the ball. It's when you're trying to hit the ball straighter is when the benefit of these high MOI clubs will help out a little, as Mr Titleist Rep stated..
It seems I have to place the ball a bit further back in my stance with an off-set improvement iron as far as the draw bias is concerned, and for the fade, I agree with you, it is an advantage.
Great vid, ive never found it harder to "work" the ball with a cavity back iron, think it just came from the idea that shaping the ball is just a pro/skilled player's need.
Very insightful video. Can't help but feel like the Titleist performance characters are always silently thinking "why do they keep making us do videos with this limey orange-trousered youtuber?"
Although above my head, (ya see I’m just starting out) it does give me a direction to follow. I must first lean to control the distance of my shots (straight ones, more or less) before I can even think about controlling right or left. At this point even in my short game I have difficulty controlling distance.
Hey Mark, just curious - would Titleist be setup the same way for say a JT or someone doing some testing? They just seem to know exactly what they are doing and look very comfortable doing it and are not playing to the cameras at all.
My only reason for staying with traditional lofts rather than stronger lofted irons comes down to the approach shots. Currently I get 130yd carry from a 9 iron, tested M2 9 iron and I was getting 155 carry. I would need to carry 60, 56, 52, 48 & 44 degree wedges to give me coverage below the 150yd approach shot. In effect I wouldn't have room for any irons stronger than a 6 iron. Currently carry up to a 3 iron.
If you can get to where you can hit different clubs the same carry distances it'll make you a better golfer. That's were you'll get good at your approach shots. Not lofts vs carry distances.
They tend to loft a 7 iron as a 5 iron as in Taylormade M2 type iron. Your 7 iron gives you a 7 iron flight with a 5 iron carry distance. To me I fear the gapping once you move down to wedges from your 9 iron. Currently mine go in 10 yd gaps from 60 deg through to 3 iron on full, 3/4 & half shots ie a 1/2 shot on a 56 is 70yd and a 1/2 on a 52 is 80 yd etc but with an M2 PW lofted in low 40's what happens to gapping
If a half shot with your 56/52 goes 70/80yds shouldn't a full shot go 140/160? Doesn't sound like you need any other clubs at all. Just 4 wedges, driver and a putter. Less weight in the bag.
Love the info... question though... for me Ive found that shaping my irons 7-PW Im ok with (Im using forgiving irons) but its way more difficult to shape shots with lower lofted clubs... Ive tried shaping shots using CB irons and found it to be ok with the lower lofted irons... I understand skills is a factor obviously, but maybe because of height, forgiveness of the face, and offset can that be a reason why shaping lower lofted clubs may be easier with CBs or blades rather tham FIs?
Serious question Mark. If a Cavity Back iron uses different MOI, etc. to create a different contact, does it cause it to "Spring More"? I play forged Mizuno MP-54 and used to play Ping i2. Off hits with the Ping (nothing to do with the manufacturer) used to go very far off target, where mishits with the MP-54 irons fall short and are not as drastic. Is there any logic in this?
Am I right on this though... Shaping comes from hitting the ball in-to-out or out-to-in with the correct face angle according to your path. You want to still be doing this by hitting the centre of the club face. Game improvements help change the shot back to the centre of the fairway if you don't hit it from the centre of the face. So cavity backs or even hybrids should not impact if you can shape it. You hitting the centre of the face of the club while controlling the club path and the face angle is what will enable you to shape it correctly. Cavity backs + hybrids will just make it so that if you miss hit off the centre of the club, at least your shot will end up further and in the centre.
I have the Ap1’s and they are easy to shape with the mid irons but they are not forged and not as soft feeling as the Ap2 but as I’m not a long hitter the stronger lofts helps my numbers.
Haven’t you always said that clubs that help help with front to back dispersion, not left to right? Doesn’t it follow then that it should be just as easy to shape left/right regardless? Despite your many videos, I think many people still believe that cavity backs help with left / right dispersion where I can tell you that I can just as easily slice one off into the woods with a blade as I can with a cavity back.
friedgames It does matter if you're trying to hit target. If I have a path of 6 out to in and my face is 3 degrees open to that path and 3 degrees closed to target. That's a functional fade. If I have a path of 6 out to in and a face 8 degrees open to that path it's open to target 2 degrees that my friend is a problem.
I've got R7 CGB Max irons and I can shape those, not that I usually want to but it's rare i deliberately try shape one because i know it'll just slice.
Great vid Mark Isn't this about the fact skilled players can do things, the club makes little difference other then how it makes you feel. I am pretty sure I could shape my shots on demand if I was more skilled through lessons and practice and not if i just bought new clubs. New clubs are rarely the answer (never the answer), so isnt practice + lessons.
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Good video with no shock in the result, what I will say is that your partnership with Titleist and the videos you do together are always excellent, the Titleist guys seem to share your messages, the hybrid fitting video with them was one of my favourites 👍🏻
I absolutely love seeing this tested out. I play Titleist MBs and I have friends that constantly question me due to the fact that I am a 7 handicap. They tell me that if I went to a more game improvement iron I would lower my scores. I try to tell them that I can hit any club 15 yards offline so I need to at least control if it goes 150 or 180 yards to give myself a chance and they just don’t get it.
I'm a #7 as well who plays MB and CB irons. Your friends have been sold to by the marketing companies. I guarantee we wouldn't all of a sudden be 5 or better if we played AP1's.
Yes!!
I’m moving to mb/cb irons from GI. I can’t stand being 20 yards long for no reason when I hit it well
I understand what you're all saying, and even though I've worked my hcp down to single digits I've always played GI irons because I think I'd be less confident looking down at players' irons that have smaller heads and less offset than I'm used to seeing.
Howie Land, Mark has said many times that the “feeling” you get standing over the ball based on the look is very important and I agree. If you feel more confident with a certain type and you see the desired outcome of your shots, then that type is better for you. My only point was that so many people think that someone playing a more bladed iron set even though the player may not be a scratch or low handicap golfer that it is all about ego and that simply isn’t true all the time. Some of us know that we are gonna miss shots and simply want to limit the distance of those misses.
Thechaddavis1996 sport psychologist would agree
Your round up should have went “ this is why titleist signed me”, you are most definitely the truest form of golf information anywhere. Well done mark, I’m absolutely loving this series of videos
I have learned so much watching your content. It blows my mind. It is helping me. Bravo sir!
Enjoying the way these ideas are looking at different kinds of shots. Yet are still very playable with clubs intended for somone who may not feel skillful in their own play. The same clubs can still be totally effective as they improve and exhibit better control over the clubface and their ball striking. Really excellant stuff Mark, these sessions with the Titleist team are making a lot of sense.
Started with SGI irons. Was having slices and hooks as a beginner. So I always wondered why people were asking if SGI can be shaped. To me, if you can get hooks and slices, surely with experience and skills you can shape it and get intended draw/fade. Thanks for clarifying that one Mark👍
Great information. I really don't see front to back mishit dispersions being that different with players irons over game improvement clubs either. If there is, it's miniscule and the course will always even that out. I currently have a combo set of 716 MB, CB, and T-MB. They are a pure joy to hit and mishits are not as punishing as some would have you believe. These clubs are not only workable left and right but also high and low. Can a high launching, low spin AP1 be as easily workable up and down? Maybe it can but maybe it does it in a different window? What scares me with height and distance improving irons is that you lose distance control. Like low spin distance balls, you never know when you are going to get that high flying knuckle ball that sails 10 yards over the green from the middle of the fairway. Plus, they don't look or feel near as good as the Titleist MB and CB irons. If you lack speed and distance and need help getting the ball in the air, play game improvement irons. If you don't, play traditional blades and player cavity back irons. You'll be much happier and your game will be better as a result.
I love how much you love to call your shots Mark!! First, it shows just how much time you put in to understanding your game and what numbers your produce, but also, you just love playing the game to see how close you can call it. Love it Brah!
You are without any doubt the most analytical TH-cam Golfer today, great explanation and information on this topic Mark - thanks!
Terrific video Mark! You are a magician with an iron in your hands. Keep up the great work! Love these TPI videos bruh!
great video. proves what youve said for years...test out and get fit with what works for you.
Leading the TH-cam golfers' universe again with this video Mark.
Beautiful... loving this!!! Always such great insight from a manufacturer on their equipment working with a golfer!
TPI is incredible, been there twice. Thanks, Mark! Awesome video once again.
Nice video mark. I haven't had much luck with fittings I always get the feeling that I'm just a dollar amount but at least in your video I get the feeling they want to get it right. I have a Titleist driver fitting next Thursday; I hope that my driver fitting goes as well and he shows the same care as the reps do in your video.
The Titleist team is just so thoughtful. Sensible stuff.
I myself have had the pleasure of being fitted by Titleist at my local regional center, and it's really cool to see Mark at the headquarters going over things with the big guys within Titleist and their fitting center and technology masters ALL sharing the same ideas. The fantastic thing is that ALL the Titleist fitters are like this, and they have fitters and regional centers ALL around the world. This means whether your a 30 handicap or a 3 we can all get ahold of this technology and fitting too! I see this from Titleist and superb clubs as well. It disappoints me that I dont see this from TaylorMade, Callaway etc. And if you think this costs a fortune, you would be suprised as Titleist has Titleist Thursdays in which the fittings are free of charge.
I love my Titleist and I like my Mark Crossfield videos, I am so happy the 2 have come together.
I've never done this at a fitting, but at the range I'm always trying to control side spin and learn how different lofts and head designs effect ball flight. Thanks for the video...
It was really good to hear it said clearly that game improvement irons can move the ball as much as blades but are more inconsistent in shape consistency due to their very nature. This explains why I don't like playing with my wife's game improvement irons. Unless I strike the centre of the face, particularly on shaped shots, not only is the east and west a big question mark but so is the north and south. My blades are, plainly put, not as inconsistent. Thanks, Mark.
Great vlog again from you and the guys from TPI. Loved all these videos. I find them thought provoking and well put together. It's great to learn. Keep up the good work.
Love your content and delivery Mark, but the Titleist guys are clearly at the very top of their game - I love the way the lead fitter talks. The other guy with the sun glasses is clearly just as knowledgable and professional but the lead guy delivers his messages in such a human yet confident way I could listen to him talk all day! Great videos Mark
Moving from G700 to i210 irons to improve my ball striking. Very interesting video for me so I can’t wait to get out there and experiment!
Can’t begin to say how interesting this test is!
I’m playing 825pro and thinking of switching to MP18 - vid helps bundles with decision (subject to fitting)
Great work Mark, thx
This is one of my favourite vids EVER! Quite thought provoking, very interesting. Massive 👍👍👍👍 from me!
I love the Titliest boys. So informative. They play to my inner golf geek. Your work with them has taken your content to another level bruh
Great video Mark. Dialled in on the calls and shots!
Great video once again. Love the understanding and questioning you ask Titleist and yourself!
This is really cool, one of those last shots going around the tree was fantastic. I remember a vlog where you were in the trees and you had this massive draw into the fairway then down to the edge of the green. I tried the same shot once and ended up in front of the green with a chip shot. Way better that a short shot into the fairway and a second longer iron to the green that might not have made it. This kind of instruction is really useful to us duffer's.
I can watch this kind of video all day.. I love trying to "hit" shots when I'm out with my buddies. . It's fun to have friends there to see when it works and even more funny when we all get to see a fail!! Lol 👍
Brett is the coolest guy I thunk I’ve ever seen on TH-cam !
Great information Mark, just goes to show the players ability can override any club 👍
Thanks for showing again that strike and face to path determines what happens to the ball. I may have to go and find an iron with a spinning head to tighten up the iron game😁
Love your content and delivery Mark, but the Titleist guys are clearly at the very top of their game - I love the way the lead fitter talks. The other guy with the glasses is clearly just as knowledgable and professional but the lead guy delivers his messages in such a human yet confident way. Great videos Mark
Greatest partnership in golf, Crossfield and Titleist. It's like Ginger Rogers and Fred Astaire, Bert and Ernie or Dan and Ray. Pure genius.
Hi Mark, result as expected. However in my opinion where you may lose out with ‘shot shaping’ is high and low between a cavity and blade with cavities bringing mass down to help get the ball up!
That's more like it Mark! A really informative video which I enjoyed immensely.
The information being shared is priceless! Mahalo Nui Loa.
Cool concepts for videos with the Titleist guys, love these types of videos!
Good information Mark, keep them coming.
Awesome Mark ... these guys love this as much as you do 😉🏌️⛳️🍻
Great video Mark you do know your numbers , just shows everyone its the person holding the club that rules
Completely agree with this assessment. I move all clubs both directions. I get a tad more movement with blades, but i play blades so i don't have to worry about that errant missile as much creeping out of the shot. Is all about consistency for me.
Enjoying this TPI stuff. I am able to do all this directional stuff. Sadly, not on demand, or indeed the direction I’m actually wanting.
Great interesting vid. Back in your element, playing with and testing theories or concepts.
Mark I seem to remember you calling the AP1’s spades or shovels ! I love my AP1’s I am on my second generation had 716’s and now 718’s ... I have no where near your skill set but manage to shape both ways . Thankyou for sharing this vid . Ps you are forgiven 🤣
This is a fantastic video. I would love to play blades but I guess down to appearance and feel rather than a need to hit shaped shots. Hell, I just wanna play straight shots!! I will always lean towards the step back from the blade, so a CB or SC with a touch of help.
Mark do a video on how to shape shots left to right and right to left. What all key components would someone have to have or use to be able to shape shots.
Very educational. You are helping me so much with understanding my swing
Fantastic video. Please now do a dispersion test comparing the same (and, if possible, equalizing the loft). Tell us what amount of forgiveness *you* see with a the AP1 over your MBs.
Very nice Mark........well put together vid.
I always enjoy your food for thought.
Love the videos with Brett and his team
Hey Mark, very interesting. When playing cut vs draw do you observe more golfers using path or face to path to influence the shot shape?
I'd like to see a test of low and high shot shaping. I'm sure Mark can control dynamic loft with both blades and game improvers, but I'd be interested to see if the low and back CG which aids launch in game improvement irons would make them more one dimensional in terms of high and low shot shaping.
excellent thanks Mark - except MUST say lets get started - your signature
THE definitive video on this matter. results were fairly obvious. Since face-to-path controls movement (remember learning that on some TH-cam channel), once you are comfortable with ANY model of club in your hands, you should be able to work the ball. It's when you're trying to hit the ball straighter is when the benefit of these high MOI clubs will help out a little, as Mr Titleist Rep stated..
as allways, a very good Video Mark. I am using the AP1 (My HCP 5) I think the are very easy to move.
It seems I have to place the ball a bit further back in my stance with an off-set improvement iron as far as the draw bias is concerned, and for the fade, I agree with you, it is an advantage.
I love these TPI videos. Well done Bruh!
great video - fun to watch and learn
That was one of your best vids Mark.... Please move to Canada... :-)
Great vid, ive never found it harder to "work" the ball with a cavity back iron, think it just came from the idea that shaping the ball is just a pro/skilled player's need.
Love this kind of content. Keep it up!!!
this just sold me on the AP1s. ordering a used set from ebay rn
If by "shaping" you mean hook or slice, I can do hat with any club. Picking which direction is where I run into a problem.
Great vid! What I assumed, now I know
Really enjoying this series with Titliest.
Very insightful video. Can't help but feel like the Titleist performance characters are always silently thinking "why do they keep making us do videos with this limey orange-trousered youtuber?"
Very educational video. 👍. Cheers Bruh.
Great video, thanks Mark for great content
Just move here Mark so we can have these videos from Titleist Performance Institute every week!🇺🇸 USA!
Although above my head, (ya see I’m just starting out) it does give me a direction to follow. I must first lean to control the distance of my shots (straight ones, more or less) before I can even think about controlling right or left. At this point even in my short game I have difficulty controlling distance.
You can only stand under the gazebo if you’re wearing chinos. Orange shorts - no shade for you!
Excellent. You might not hit it 350 like the rest of us out here in the ‘real’ world but you have excellent control of your balls...
Hey Mark, just curious - would Titleist be setup the same way for say a JT or someone doing some testing? They just seem to know exactly what they are doing and look very comfortable doing it and are not playing to the cameras at all.
Loving the video, great test with a little pinch off look how good I am. Loving it Crossfield...……..
My only reason for staying with traditional lofts rather than stronger lofted irons comes down to the approach shots.
Currently I get 130yd carry from a 9 iron, tested M2 9 iron and I was getting 155 carry.
I would need to carry 60, 56, 52, 48 & 44 degree wedges to give me coverage below the 150yd approach shot.
In effect I wouldn't have room for any irons stronger than a 6 iron.
Currently carry up to a 3 iron.
If you can get to where you can hit different clubs the same carry distances it'll make you a better golfer. That's were you'll get good at your approach shots. Not lofts vs carry distances.
Arguably that would increase your dispersion via less spin
They tend to loft a 7 iron as a 5 iron as in Taylormade M2 type iron.
Your 7 iron gives you a 7 iron flight with a 5 iron carry distance.
To me I fear the gapping once you move down to wedges from your 9 iron.
Currently mine go in 10 yd gaps from 60 deg through to 3 iron on full, 3/4 & half shots
ie a 1/2 shot on a 56 is 70yd and a 1/2 on a 52 is 80 yd etc but with an M2 PW lofted in low 40's what happens to gapping
I can already do that but have perfect gapping through my clubs. Can't see that happening with strong lofted irons when you move down to wedges.
If a half shot with your 56/52 goes 70/80yds shouldn't a full shot go 140/160? Doesn't sound like you need any other clubs at all. Just 4 wedges, driver and a putter. Less weight in the bag.
Love the info... question though... for me Ive found that shaping my irons 7-PW Im ok with (Im using forgiving irons) but its way more difficult to shape shots with lower lofted clubs... Ive tried shaping shots using CB irons and found it to be ok with the lower lofted irons... I understand skills is a factor obviously, but maybe because of height, forgiveness of the face, and offset can that be a reason why shaping lower lofted clubs may be easier with CBs or blades rather tham FIs?
Serious question Mark. If a Cavity Back iron uses different MOI, etc. to create a different contact, does it cause it to "Spring More"? I play forged Mizuno MP-54 and used to play Ping i2. Off hits with the Ping (nothing to do with the manufacturer) used to go very far off target, where mishits with the MP-54 irons fall short and are not as drastic. Is there any logic in this?
U really know your numbers bruh.. impressive stuff.. I wish for that knowledge
Am I right on this though...
Shaping comes from hitting the ball in-to-out or out-to-in with the correct face angle according to your path.
You want to still be doing this by hitting the centre of the club face.
Game improvements help change the shot back to the centre of the fairway if you don't hit it from the centre of the face.
So cavity backs or even hybrids should not impact if you can shape it.
You hitting the centre of the face of the club while controlling the club path and the face angle is what will enable you to shape it correctly.
Cavity backs + hybrids will just make it so that if you miss hit off the centre of the club, at least your shot will end up further and in the centre.
I have the Ap1’s and they are easy to shape with the mid irons but they are not forged and not as soft feeling as the Ap2 but as I’m not a long hitter the stronger lofts helps my numbers.
What a fantastic video Mark, great insight and I feel firmly puts the argument to bed. P.s. Loving the content with Titleist
Love this! Something to share With the txg guys? ;)
Fantastic video Mark...👍👍
Great video. Thanks!
Obviously a very talented golfer Mark...I'd be happy just to connect with the ball
Great vid Mark...
Brilliant Work BruhVery interesting as usualMassive thumbs up Bruh
Haven’t you always said that clubs that help help with front to back dispersion, not left to right? Doesn’t it follow then that it should be just as easy to shape left/right regardless? Despite your many videos, I think many people still believe that cavity backs help with left / right dispersion where I can tell you that I can just as easily slice one off into the woods with a blade as I can with a cavity back.
Great vlog ⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️⭐️
What???? face closed to target to hit a fade???? I bet that made some heads spin. Great stuff as always Mark.
Jonathan Thomason doesn’t matter about it being closed to target, it would be face to path that matters
friedgames It does matter if you're trying to hit target. If I have a path of 6 out to in and my face is 3 degrees open to that path and 3 degrees closed to target. That's a functional fade. If I have a path of 6 out to in and a face 8 degrees open to that path it's open to target 2 degrees that my friend is a problem.
Jonathan Thomason well yes obviously, but that’s not what you said in your first comment
friedgames My comment was hearted by Mark for a reason. At least he got the sarcasm. Obviously it did make some heads spin.
Jonathan Thomason sarcasm isn’t always easy to spot on the internet, as there are a lot of idiots about
That looks like so much fun bruh 👍
Most viewers won’t understand this and go and buy a shaft to hit it straight.
D Jones ....and far!
Nothing wrong with straight if you can do it consistently.
Properly made me laugh.
Great video very helpful thanks bruh keep up the great work ⛳️🏌🏻😉
I've got R7 CGB Max irons and I can shape those, not that I usually want to but it's rare i deliberately try shape one because i know it'll just slice.
great video!
Myth Buster! Very well done!
Great video bruh
Great vid Mark Isn't this about the fact skilled players can do things, the club makes little difference other then how it makes you feel. I am pretty sure I could shape my shots on demand if I was more skilled through lessons and practice and not if i just bought new clubs. New clubs are rarely the answer (never the answer), so isnt practice + lessons.