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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 27 ธ.ค. 2012
- 1979 Peugeot 504
Impact speed: 35mph
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Do you think this vehicle is safe when compared to others in the same class? Please comment.
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It was a late 60s design, already quite aged in '79. No wonder the result is much worse than in most other crash tests from the era. I wonder how a 505 (504's successor) or a Citroen CX would do. Of course there's no way I'd subject either of them to a crash test now - they are lovely classics and those which survived should be kept alive ;-)
Basista Za Kierownicą The 505 did much better, in a 1983 model 505 put through the exact same test the dummies would have probably suffered moderate to serious head injuries if they were people but probably no brain damage or death. (HIC: 819 driver, 1,157 passenger)
The later 505s from 1987 and later with the automatic seat belts did very poorly, with severe injury likely, though still not nearly as bad as the 504. The automatic seat belts pulled out of their anchorages allowing the dummies to strike the dash very hard. I’m not sure if 505s outside the US got the automatic seat belts.
Citroen pulled out of the US market in 1974 so the CX was never tested.
May 14, 2019 11:12 am
The doors in this test couldn’t be opened, even with tools. Yup, all four jammed solidly shut. They took the dummies out thru the side windows.
January 2, 2018 11:23 am
Where did you get that information?
Original NHTSA test report.
May 14, 2019 11:03 am
Driver HIC 4,611, passenger HIC 2,535.
That's a 100% chance of fatality for driver, 95% for passenger. The threshold for likely serious injury is 1,000 HIC, and fatality ~1,800 HIC.
This vehicle was first introduced in 1968; most vehicle designs tested at this time (1980) dated to 1975 or newer. And there was a lot of safety progress between '68 and even '75. This vehicle didn't have nearly the same level of structural rigidity that a typical late 1970s design would have. By the late '70s, most cars had rudimentary crumple zone technology and used the principle of a softer front end and a stiffer passenger compartment, albeit in a much more primitive state than today. This appears to have no crumple zone at all as the front end (which holds the stiff engine block) compresses relatively little and much of the crash forces are transferred to the occupant compartment, causing major intrusion.
At this time, a car "passed" if it had a HIC below 1,000 (and chest G's below 60) for both occupants. About 70% of cars "failed" but "failed" could mean something like the '80 Ford Thunderbird, which failed because the driver HIC was 1,001, or it could mean this disaster. Just 33% of 1979 vehicles had one occupant fall into the "fatal range", and just 15% had both occupants fall into the fatal range.
Late 1970s cars were not safe by today's standards. But this makes an average late '70s car look like a 2017 Volvo.
I read somewhere that the Peugeot 504 was classed as one of the safest "classic" cars. I laughed my head off.
Here's the list: classics.honestjohn.co.uk/top-10s/top-10-safest-family-classics/
I'd have to agree with the list except for the 504.
July 20, 2017 5:35 pm
Something is not quite right with this crash test. I was in an accident in a 504 and the nose where crushed shorter than the one on the video yet there was no deformation of the passenger compartment. Every one, including a 7 month pregnant passenger was fine. All doors opened normally. Does this severe deformation of the cabin not have something to do with the American bumpers fitted ?
Johan Smith You may be on to something with the bumpers. Your crash may have been quite different as well.
January 2, 2018 11:20 am
Johan Smith maybe your crash was slower than the 35 mph/55 km/h test that was shown here
@Matthew Dawood Khaghani I completely understand that it's an old design and safety of old cars are very poor compared to modern cars. My point is I find the rating rather strange due to personal experience of an accident in a car like this.As I said our vehicles nose was pushed in mush further than the one in this test and yet we were all fine. No injuries what so ever. That is why I was wondering whether the American spec bumpers had anything to do with this cars poor safety rating. Just for interest the people in the newer vehicle that hit us were injured quite badly.
@Matthew Dawood Khaghani The other car was an Opel Kadet. This happened many years ago. The Opel ran a red light and ended up hitting the 504 solid on its nose. The Opel then caught fire. The my friend, driver of the 504, actually pulled the people from the wrecked Opel.
504 ♥ my car